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legatio_fw-la pro_fw-la christianis_fw-la athanas._n apol._n arnobij_fw-la apol._n eulog_n apologâ—…t_fw-la sanctorum_fw-la martyr_n martyr_n zuinglij_fw-la apol_n qua_fw-la ad_fw-la crimina_fw-la respondet_fw-la apologet._n contra_fw-la episcop_n constant._n bucer_n apolog._n contra_fw-la brentium_n dannaei_fw-la apolog._n pro_fw-la helvet_n ecclesijs_fw-la apolog_fw-la dan._n pro_fw-la adoratione_n melancthonis_n apol._n august_n confess_v apolog._n pro_fw-la luthero_n gualtb_n apol_n pro_fw-la zuinglio_n beza_n apolog._n jevelli_n apolog._n eccl._n anglicanae_n mort._n apol._n cathol_a cathol_a scâ—…venfeld_n apol._n contra_fw-la fabium_fw-la apol_n ad_fw-la regeâ—…_n hung._n de_fw-fr mediatione_fw-la stancari_fw-la apolog._n vorstij_fw-la thesis_n apolog._n exeg_n apol._n oratio_fw-la apolog._n bertij_fw-la apolog._n apolog._n remonstrantium_fw-la apolog._n schast_a francae_fw-la d._n p._n dirick_n pâ—…ps_v apol_n apolog._n episcop_n francisc._n the_o saint_n tâ—_n cl._n cl._n apology_n of_o the_o brownist_n robin_n apolog._n justif._n of_o separate_a separate_a apolog._n for_o ch._n cove_n apol._n reply_v davenport_n *_o page_n 4._o 11_o 19_o 12_o 24._o apolog._n apolog._n m_o s._n to_o a._n s._n cap._n 5._o pag._n 83._o apolog._n dissert_n de_fw-fr guber_n eccl._n pag._n 620._o quinam_fw-la bujuâ—…_n criminis_fw-la rei_fw-la judicentur_fw-la i_o quidem_fw-la latet_fw-la neque_fw-la in_o qirere_fw-la ad_fw-la nos_fw-la attinet_fw-la hoc_fw-la scio_fw-la noâ—…_n convenire_fw-la in_o eos_fw-la qui_fw-la intra_fw-la sententiae_fw-la nostrae_fw-la terminos_fw-la se_fw-la continent_n apolog._n to_o his_o love_a friend_n mr_n henry_n king_n mr_n tost_n mr_n smith_n mr_n raner_n mr_n map_n apolog._n apol._n justa_fw-la &_o necessaria_fw-la per_fw-la joh._n robins_n cap._n 6._o de_fw-fr conjugio_fw-la per_fw-la pastor_n ecclesiae_fw-la celebrato_fw-la reformat_fw-la of_o ch._n govern._n in_o scotland_n pag._n 4_o 5_o 18_o 19_o reformat_fw-la of_o ch._n govern._n in_o scotland_n pag._n 10._o reformat_fw-la of_o ch._n govern._n pag._n 18._o it_o be_v lay_v for_o a_o common_a ground_n by_o the_o divine_n in_o all_o the_o â—…eformed_a church_n that_o where_o a_o whole_a nation_n be_v convert_v to_o the_o christian_a faith_n every_o particular_a church_n be_v not_o to_o be_v leave_v to_o itself_o as_o if_o it_o be_v alone_o in_o a_o nation_n but_o that_o christ_n have_v provide_v a_o way_n and_o there_o be_v a_o necessity_n of_o a_o common_a national_n government_n to_o preserve_v all_o the_o churchâ—…_n in_o unity_n and_o peace_n apolog._n page_n 9_o meâ—…ch_o adam_n vita_fw-la whitak_n pag._n 177._o mr_n raâ—…b_n narration_n of_o ch._n course_n p._n 1._o the_o rest_n of_o the_o church_n in_o new-england_n come_v at_o first_o to_o they_o in_o plymouth_n to_o crave_v their_o direction_n in_o ch._n course_n and_o make_v they_o their_o pattern_n apolog._n letter_n mr_n cotton_v letter_n examine_v and_o answer_v pag._n 44._o mr_n cotton_n himself_o and_o other_o most_o eminent_a minister_n in_o nâ—…w-england_n have_v free_o confess_v that_o notwithstanding_o their_o former_a profession_n of_o ministry_n in_o old_a england_n yet_o in_o new-england_n till_o they_o receive_v a_o particular_a call_n from_o a_o particular_a church_n that_o they_o be_v but_o private_a christian_n apolog._n robin_n p._n 10_o 11._o etc._n etc._n 12._o de_fw-fr eccl._n angl._n angl._n robin_n apol._n cap._n 12._o p_o 78._o propria_fw-la inquâ—…_n &_o peculiaria_fw-la in_o quibus_fw-la verbi_fw-la auditionem_fw-la simpliciter_fw-la noâ—…_n annumero_fw-la â—…pote_fw-la inqua_fw-la non_fw-la intercedit_fw-la inter_fw-la docentem_fw-la &_o discentem_fw-la communio_fw-la spiritualiâ—…_n sive_fw-la eccl._n sive_fw-la personalis_fw-la nisi_fw-la ex_fw-la union_n prae_fw-la via_fw-la ecclesiastica_fw-la aut_fw-la personal_a robin_n catechis_n quest._n may_v all_o the_o faithful_a partake_v in_o the_o sacrament_n ans._n no_o except_o they_o be_v also_o add_v to_o some_o particular_a congregation_n apolog._n letter_n out_o of_o holland_n de_fw-fr ecclesijs_fw-la reformatis_fw-la quid_fw-la aliud_fw-la dicam_fw-la eas_fw-la pro_fw-la veris_fw-la &_o genuinis_fw-la etc._n etc._n ecclesijs_fw-la bahemus_fw-la cum_fw-la eisdem_fw-la in_o sacris_fw-la dei_fw-la communionem_fw-la prositemur_fw-la &_o quantum_fw-la in_o nobis_fw-la est_fw-la colimus_fw-la conciones_fw-la publicas_fw-la ab_fw-la illarum_fw-la pastoribus_fw-la habitas_fw-la ex_fw-la