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A25216 A reply to the Reverend Dean of St. Pauls's reflections on the Rector of Sutton, &c. wherein the principles and practices of the non-conformists are not only vindicated by Scripture, but by Dr. Stillingsfleet's Rational account, as well as his Irenicum : as also by the writings of the Lord Faulkland, Mr. Hales, Mr. Chillingworth, &c. / by the same hand ; to which is added, St. Paul's work promoted, or, Proper materials drawn from The true and only way of concord, and, Pleas for peace and other late writings of Mr. Richard Baxter ... Alsop, Vincent, 1629 or 30-1703.; Barret, John, 1631-1713. 1681 (1681) Wing A2919; ESTC R6809 123,967 128

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whether_o be_v any_o bind_v to_o obey_v they_o at_o least_o when_o they_o over-rule_v christ_n own_o institution_n way_n of_o concord_n p._n 111._o §_o 15._o and_o whether_o to_o devise_v new_a species_n of_o church_n without_o god_n authority_n and_o impose_v they_o on_o the_o world_n in_o his_o name_n and_o call_v all_o dissenter_n schismatic_n be_v not_o a_o far_o worse_a usurpation_n than_o to_o make_v and_o impose_v new_a ceremony_n or_o liturgy_n ibid._n §_o 16._o q._n 74._o whether_o a_o society_n of_o neighbour-christians_a associate_v with_o a_o pastor_n or_o pastor_n for_o personal_a communion_n in_o holy_a doctrine_n discipline_n and_o worship_n be_v not_o a_o church_n form_n of_o divine_a institution_n first_o plea_n etc._n etc._n p._n 8._o and_o whether_o any_o proof_n have_v ever_o be_v produce_v that_o many_o church_n of_o this_o first_o rank_n must_v of_o duty_n make_v one_o fix_v great_a compound_v church_n by_o association_n as_o diocesan_n national_a etc._n etc._n 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presbyter_n and_o deacon_n to_o be_v the_o note_n of_o a_o church_n unity_n and_o individuation_n whence_o learned_a mr._n joseph_n mede_n do_v argue_v it_o as_o certain_z that_o then_o a_o bishop_n church_n be_v no_o other_o than_o such_o as_o usual_o communicate_v in_o one_o place_n ibid._n p._n 17._o and_o see_v answ._n to_o dr._n still_o serm._n p._n 75._o or_o 69._o q._n 75._o and_o see_v it_o can_v be_v prove_v that_o god_n have_v institute_v any_o other_o than_o congregational_a or_o parochial_a church_n as_o for_o present_a communion_n whether_o must_v it_o not_o follow_v that_o none_o of_o the_o rest_n institute_v by_o man_n have_v power_n to_o deprive_v such_o single_a church_n of_o any_o of_o the_o privilege_n grant_v they_o by_o christ_n and_o whereas_o christ_n have_v make_v the_o term_n of_o catholic_n communion_n himself_o and_o have_v command_v all_o such_o to_o worship_v he_o public_o in_o holy_a communion_n under_o faithful_a pastor_n choose_v or_o at_o least_o consent_v to_o by_o themselves_o which_o be_v the_o judgement_n of_o the_o church_n many_o hundred_o year_n whether_o can_v any_o humane_a order_n or_o power_n deprive_v they_o of_o any_o of_o this_o benefit_n or_o disoblige_v they_o from_o any_o of_o this_o duty_n by_o just_a authority_n way_n of_o concord_n p._n 111._o §_o 13._o q._n 76._o then_o if_o any_o prince_n will_v turn_v his_o kingdom_n or_o a_o whole_a province_n into_o one_o only_a church_n and_o thereby_o overthrow_v all_o the_o first_o order_n of_o church_n of_o christ_n institution_n which_o be_v associate_v for_o personal_a present_a communion_n allow_v they_o no_o pastor_n that_o have_v the_o power_n of_o the_o key_n or_o all_o essential_a to_o their_o office_n though_o he_o shall_v allow_v parochial_a oratory_n or_o chapel_n which_o shall_v be_v no_o true_a church_n but_o part_n of_o a_o church_n whether_o be_v it_o schism_n to_o gather_v church_n within_o such_o a_o church_n against_o the_o law_n of_o such_o a_o prince_n first_o plea_n etc._n etc._n p._n 52._o or_o whether_o have_v god_n make_v such_o proper_a judge_n whether_o christ_n shall_v have_v church_n according_a to_o his_o law_n or_o whether_o god_n shall_v be_v worship_v and_o soul_n save_v or_o his_o own_o institution_n of_o church_n be_v observe_v ibid._n p._n 53._o q._n 77._o and_o if_o any_o person_n shall_v pretend_v to_o have_v the_o power_n of_o govern_v the_o church_n and_o inferior_a pastor_n as_o their_o bishop_n who_o be_v obtrude_v on_o those_o church_n without_o the_o election_n or_o consent_v of_o the_o people_n or_o inferior_a pastor_n and_o these_o bishop_n shall_v by_o law_n or_o mandate_n forbid_v such_o assemble_v preach_a or_o worship_n as_o otherwise_o will_v be_v lawful_a and_o a_o duty_n whether_o be_v it_o schism_n to_o disobey_v such_o law_n or_o mandate_n as_o such_o ibid._n p._n 80._o bishop_n bilson_n of_o subject_a p._n 399._o grant_v the_o election_n of_o bishop_n in_o those_o day_n belong_v to_o the_o people_n and_o not_o to_o the_o prince_n and_o though_o valens_n by_o plain_a force_n place_v lucius_n there_o yet_o may_v the_o people_n lawful_o reject_v he_o as_o no_o bishop_n and_o cleave_v to_o peter_n their_o right_a pastor_n ibid._n p._n 79._o and_o however_o in_o some_o case_n the_o advantage_n of_o some_o impose_v person_n may_v make_v it_o a_o act_n of_o prudence_n and_o so_o a_o duty_n to_o consent_v yet_o whether_o be_v such_o true_o the_o bishop_n of_o such_o church_n till_o they_o do_v consent_n ibid._n p._n 80._o have_v not_o this_o be_v take_v for_o their_o right_n give_v they_o by_o god_n and_o do_v not_o dr._n blondel_n de_fw-la jure_fw-la plebis_fw-la in_o reg._n eccl._n beyond_o exception_n prove_v it_o with_o more_o ib._n p._n 81._o therefore_o if_o bishop_n that_o have_v no_o foundation_n of_o such_o relative_n power_n shall_v impose_v inferior_a pastor_n on_o the_o parish-church_n and_o command_v the_o people_n acceptance_n and_o obedience_n whether_o be_v the_o people_n bind_v to_o accept_v and_o obey_v they_o by_o any_o authority_n that_o be_v in_o that_o command_n as_o such_o or_o whether_o be_v it_o schism_n to_o disobey_v it_o ibid._n p._n 82._o q._n 78._o whether_o do_v it_o not_o follow_v from_o the_o principle_n of_o the_o diocesan_n that_o hold_v a_o bishop_n be_v essential_a to_o a_o church_n and_o consequent_o that_o we_o have_v no_o more_o church_n than_o diocese_n that_o he_o who_o separate_v from_o a_o parish-church_n separate_v from_o no_o church_n sacril_n desert_n p._n 24._o q_o 79._o whether_o we_o shall_v not_o more_o just_o deserve_v the_o term_n of_o schismatic_n if_o we_o renounce_v communion_n with_o all_o other_o church_n except_o parochial_a and_o conformist_n and_o who_o conscience_n shall_v soon_o accuse_v he_o of_o schism_n whether_o ou●s_v that_o resolve_v to_o hold_v communion_n seasonable_o with_o all_o true_a christian_a church_n among_o we_o that_o
abroad_o how_o do_v it_o shake_v the_o heaven_n and_o darken_v the_o sky_n o_o lord_n my_o heart_n tremble_v to_o think_v upon_o it_o how_o many_o godly_a and_o worthy_a learned_a preacher_n be_v silence_v deprive_v and_o great_o disgrace_v how_o be_v the_o holy_a minister_n divide_v and_o distract_v how_o be_v the_o christian_a subject_n grieve_v and_o offend_v and_o the_o papist_n and_o wicked_a man_n encourage_v and_o embolden_v what_o a_o damp_n bring_v it_o to_o all_o godliness_n and_o religion_n and_o since_o that_o time_n what_o horrible_a wickedness_n whoredom_n drunkenness_n and_o all_o shameless_a filthiness_n and_o what_o grievous_a plague_n of_o god_n one_o succeed_v another_o have_v follow_v every_a good_a christian_a subject_n must_v needs_o see_v and_o lament_v so_o he_o who_o be_v no_o separatist_n and_o i_o hope_v sir_n you_o and_o i_o be_v agree_v that_o these_o thing_n last_o speak_v of_o be_v no_o part_n of_o england_n '_o s_o reformation_n and_o now_o sir_n give_v i_o leave_v to_o tell_v you_o in_o some_o of_o your_o own_o word_n preface_n p._n 47._o we_o be_v in_o a_o lamentable_a case_n as_o to_o the_o defence_n of_o the_o reformation_n if_o we_o have_v no_o more_o to_o plead_v for_o it_o than_o we_o have_v indeed_o to_o plead_v for_o such_o mischievous_a imposition_n and_o this_o seem_v to_o have_v be_v the_o sense_n of_o the_o queen_n council_n in_o that_o letter_n which_o the_o modest_a enquiry_n p._n 16_o 17._o lay_v before_o you_o therefore_o sir_n i_o beseech_v you_o as_o you_o will_v not_o blast_v the_o credit_n and_o honour_n of_o the_o reformation_n place_v it_o not_o in_o such_o thing_n as_o rather_o bring_v a_o deformation_n on_o we_o here_o i_o know_v not_o well_o how_o to_o reconcile_v you_o to_o yourself_o for_o p._n 365._o you_o say_v it_o be_v the_o great_a wisdom_n of_o our_o church_n not_o to_o make_v more_o thing_n necessary_a as_o to_o practice_n than_o be_v make_v so_o at_o the_o settlement_n of_o our_o reformation_n but_o 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note_v irenic_n p._n 115._o some_o be_v blind_a guide_n and_o may_v not_o people_n very_o well_o be_v startle_v with_o what_o christ_n say_v concern_v such_o if_o the_o blind_a lead_n the_o blind_a both_o shall_v fall_v into_o the_o ditch_n and_o have_v you_o forget_v or_o have_v you_o retract_v that_o in_o answer_n to_o several_a treatise_n p._n 265._o cite_v in_o rector_n of_o sutton_n p._n 61._o man_n may_v have_v reason_n to_o question_n if_o not_o the_o skill_n yet_o the_o sincerity_n of_o their_o guide_n and_o though_o they_o must_v have_v some_o may_v seek_v new_a one_o the_o ignorant_a follow_v their_o guide_n only_o upon_o the_o opinion_n of_o their_o skill_n and_o integrity_n and_o when_o they_o see_v reason_n to_o question_v these_o they_o know_v of_o no_o obligation_n to_o follow_v their_o conduct_n over_o rock_n and_o precipice_n and_o yet_o be_v it_o now_o a_o loose_a principle_n some_o the_o people_n be_v to_o mark_v and_o avoid_v rom._n 16._o 17._o some_o they_o must_v 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be_v no_o schismatic_n but_o your_o carriage_n and_o practice_n be_v 〈…〉_z they_o to_o join_v together_o in_o a_o distinct_a communion_n from_o you_o and_o may_v not_o your_o own_o word_n ibid._n p._n 356_o be_v return_v scil._n that_o by_o your_o own_o confession_n the_o present_a division_n and_o separation_n lie_v at_o your_o door_n if_o it_o be_v not_o make_v evident_a that_o there_o be_v most_o just_a and_o sufficient_a reason_n for_o your_o cast_v they_o out_o of_o your_o communion_n and_o suppose_v any_o church_n though_o pretend_v to_o be_v never_o so_o catholic_n do_v restrain_v her_o communion_n within_o such_o narrow_a and_o unjust_a bound_n that_o she_o declare_v such_o excommunicate_a who_o do_v not_o approve_v all_o such_o error_n in_o doctrine_n and_o corruption_n in_o practice_n which_o the_o communion_n of_o such_o a_o church_n may_v be_v liable_a to_o the_o cause_n of_o that_o division_n which_o follow_v fall_v upon_o that_o church_n which_o exact_v those_o 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ordain_v homogeneal_a mean_n of_o our_o own_o seem_v not_o a_o usurpation_n and_o unlawful_a ibid._n p._n 31._o §_o 47._o 7._o whether_o to_o add_v more_o doctrine_n or_o article_n of_o faith_n which_o god_n have_v not_o reveal_v in_o nature_n or_o scripture_n and_o to_o require_v belief_n or_o pro●●●●●_n of_o belief_n of_o the_o same_o 〈…〉_z religious_a end_v seem_v not_o a_o usurpation_n and_o unjust_a accusation_n of_o god_n word_n as_o insufficient_a ibid._n p._n 29._o §_o 43._o 8._o whether_o to_o alter_v the_o qualification_n of_o church-member_n either_o forbid_v those_o that_o christ_n require_v we_o to_o receive_v or_o receive_v such_o as_o christ_n forbid_v we_o to_o receive_v be_v not_o to_o contradict_v his_o law_n by_o usurpation_n whether_o magistrate_n or_o pastor_n do_v it_o ibid._n p._n 30._o §_o 45._o 9_o whether_o to_o alter_v the_o qualification_n of_o christ_n minister_n or_o the_o nature_n of_o their_o office_n and_o invent_v new_a coordinate_a officer_n seem_v not_o usurpation_n ibid._n p._n 31._o §_o 48._o 10._o whether_o to_o overthrow_v or_o prohibit_v christ_n church-discipline_n or_o to_o set_v up_o another_o that_o be_v not_o mere_o subordinate_a to_o it_o modal_o to_o promote_v it_o seem_v not_o a_o usurpation_n ibid._n §_o 51._o 11._o whether_o to_o forbid_v religious_a assembly_n or_o alter_v their_o end_n and_o principal_a use_n be_v not_o to_o usurp_v and_o to_o contradict_v the_o law_n of_o christ_n ibid._n p._n 29._o §_o 44._o q._n 4._o whether_o ruler_n ought_v not_o to_o prefer_v christ_n interest_n before_o their_o own_o and_o account_n that_o their_o own_o lie_v in_o prefer_v his_o and_o shall_v not_o value_v conscionable_a upright_a man_n though_o dissenter_n in_o tolerable_a case_n and_o not_o encourage_v their_o unconscionable_a enemy_n way_n of_o concord_n 3d_o part_n p._n 26._o and_o whether_o the_o chief_a work_n of_o ruler_n be_v not_o to_o promote_v the_o keep_n of_o god_n law_n and_o the_o everlasting_a good_a of_o 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dead_a at_o his_o appear_v and_o kingdom_n to_o preach_v the_o gospel_n and_o be_v instant_a in_o season_n etc._n etc._n ib._n p._n 226_o 227._o q._n 15._o whether_o any_o man_n have_v authority_n to_o forbid_v a_o faithful_a minister_n of_o christ_n who_o forfeit_v not_o his_o office-power_n to_o perform_v the_o office_n to_o which_o he_o be_v ordain_v and_o whether_o such_o remain_v not_o under_o a_o divine_a obligation_n which_o man_n law_n can_v dissolve_v whether_o it_o be_v not_o right_a as_o bishop_n bilson_n say_v if_o prince_n forbid_v we_o we_o must_v go_v on_o with_o our_o work_n what_o if_o a_o interdict_v silence_v all_o the_o minister_n in_o a_o kingdom_n must_v all_o obey_v what_o if_o it_o silence_v more_o than_o can_v be_v spare_v without_o the_o church_n wrong_v and_o who_o law_n be_v they_o that_o will_v so_o bind_v be_v it_o infidel_n prince_n or_o only_a christian_n be_v it_o papist_n etc._n etc._n or_o only_o the_o orthodox_n must_v god_n ask_v leave_n of_o ruler_n to_o be_v worship_v as_o god_n have_v god_n make_v man_n judge_n whether_o the_o gospel_n shall_v be_v preach_v or_o not_o or_o whether_o people_n shall_v be_v save_v or_o leave_v to_o perish_v in_o their_o ignorance_n and_o sin_n and_o how_o come_v the_o orthodox_n to_o be_v authorize_v to_o do_v mischief_n or_o to_o forbid_v the_o needful_a preach_n of_o the_o gospel_n any_o more_o than_o a_o heretic_n or_o a_o christian_a more_o than_o a_o heathen_a be_v he_o not_o bind_v to_o do_v more_o good_a than_o they_o rather_o than_o authorize_v to_o do_v more_o hurt_v answ._n to_o dr._n still_o serm._n p._n 84_o 85._o or_o 78_o 79._o see_v also_o p._n 21._o q._n 16._o where_o such_o sin_n be_v make_v the_o condition_n of_o ministration_n by_o man_n in_o power_n as_o that_o all_o the_o whole_a ministry_n of_o a_o kingdom_n be_v bind_v in_o conscience_n to_o deny_v consent_n and_o conformity_n thereto_o whether_o be_v it_o not_o the_o duty_n of_o all_o the_o ministry_n in_o primo_fw-la instanti_fw-la to_o forbear_v their_o ministerial_a office_n or_o of_o none_o the_o reason_n be_v the_o same_o to_o all_o now_o if_o all_o these_o must_v forbear_v or_o lay_v down_o their_o office_n because_o forbid_v by_o man_n to_o exercise_v it_o then_o be_v it_o not_o in_o the_o power_n of_o a_o prince_n to_o cast_v out_o christianity_n when_o he_o please_v and_o to_o deny_v god_n all_o public_a worship_n and_o must_v we_o not_o then_o ask_v leave_v of_o ruler_n that_o christ_n may_v be_v christ_n and_o soul_n may_v be_v save_v as_o if_o the_o key_n of_o heaven_n and_o hell_n be_v they_o first_o plea_n for_o peace_n p._n 114_o 115._o but_o whether_o must_v not_o all_o agree_v that_o to_o silence_v all_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o nation_n be_v a_o thing_n that_o god_n have_v not_o give_v any_o man_n authority_n to_o do_v because_o of_o the_o necessity_n of_o their_o ministry_n and_o consequent_o to_o silence_v any_o necessary_a ministry_n at_o all_o ib._n p._n 223._o and_o if_o all_o must_v not_o lay_v down_o their_o ministry_n why_o must_v a_o 1000_o or_o 2000_o do_v it_o rather_o than_o all_o the_o rest_n if_o it_o be_v say_v the_o rest_n be_v a_o competent_a supply_n to_o the_o church_n how_o shall_v we_o be_v sure_a that_o other_o man_n sin_v will_v absolve_v the_o innocent_a from_o their_o duty_n as_o if_o i_o be_v bind_v to_o be_v a_o minister_n only_o till_o other_o man_n will_v sin_n and_o where_o can_v the_o wit_n of_o man_n ever_o set_v bound_n as_o to_o this_o matter_n will_v it_o not_o be_v grant_v that_o if_o the_o most_o in_o france_n conform_v to_o popery_n this_o will_v not_o disoblige_v all_o other_o from_o the_o exercise_n of_o their_o ministry_n and_o who_o then_o can_v say_v what_o those_o untruth_n and_o sin_n be_v which_o a_o weak_a and_o err_a ministry_n may_v be_v guilty_a of_o which_o shall_v serve_v to_o disoblige_v the_o rest_n and_o be_v not_o this_o a_o easy_a way_n to_o introduce_v any_o error_n by_o forbid_v any_o but_o the_o defender_n of_o it_o to_o preach_v ib._n p._n 115_o 116._o q._n 17._o whether_o god_n have_v authorize_v the_o magistrate_n to_o choose_v and_o command_v in_o what_o word_n only_o every_o pastor_n shall_v public_o pray_v to_o god_n and_o what_o book_n and_o word_n of_o man_n he_o shall_v profess_v assent_n and_o consent_v to_o and_o what_o dedicate_a symbol_n of_o christianity_n he_o shall_v use_v as_o engage_v in_o the_o christian_a covenant_n and_o to_o command_v ceremony_n and_o mode_n for_o dissent_n wherein_o he_o shall_v deny_v baptism_n and_o church-communion_n to_o all_o dissenter_n though_o the_o thing_n be_v take_v to_o be_v indifferent_a by_o the_o magistrate_n and_o great_a sin_n by_o the_o dissenter_n answ._n to_o dr._n still_o serm._n p._n 14._o q._n 18._o whether_o pastor_n usurp_v not_o power_n over_o one_o another_o when_o they_o command_v all_o about_o they_o to_o speak_v to_o man_n from_o god_n or_o to_o god_n from_o man_n in_o no_o other_o word_n but_o what_o they_o the_o usurper_n shall_v write_v they_o down_o make_v minister_n but_o crier_n to_o read_v their_o prescript_n and_o proclamation_n second_v plea_n etc._n etc._n p._n 142._o q._n 19_o whether_o any_o but_o volunteer_n shall_v be_v take_v for_o true_a christian_n or_o admit_v to_o holy_a communion_n to_o receive_v the_o seal_n of_o pardon_n and_o life_n way_n of_o concord_n three_o part_n p._n 27._o §_o 7._o and_o whether_o pastor_n of_o the_o church_n shall_v be_v constrain_v to_o administer_v sacrament_n to_o any_o against_o their_o conscience_n whether_o it_o be_v not_o their_o office_n to_o be_v judge_n who_o be_v to_o be_v baptize_v and_o to_o communicate_v ib._n p._n 123._o q._n 20._o if_o any_o be_v urge_v to_o take_v a_o re-ordination_a against_o their_o judgement_n whether_o moral_n must_v not_o be_v prefer_v before_o ritual_n and_o ritual_n never_o set_v against_o they_o and_o whether_o they_o shall_v not_o be_v of_o this_o mind_n that_o deny_v the_o scripture_n to_o have_v unchangeable_o fix_v all_o ritual_n and_o yet_o confess_v that_o moral_n be_v fix_o determine_v ib._n p._n 214_o 215._o it_o be_v not_o contrary_a to_o the_o temper_n of_o the_o gospel_n which_o ever_o subject_v ceremony_n rite_n and_o external_n order_n to_o moral_n and_o to_o man_n good_a and_o the_o great_a end_n ib._n three_o part_n p._n 81._o q._n 21._o when_o the_o most_o learned_a sober_a judicious_a conformist_n differ_v not_o at_o all_o from_o we_o about_o the_o matter_n itself_o to_o which_o we_o deny_v conformity_n but_o confess_v it_o to_o be_v unlawful_a as_o to_o the_o hard_a point_n of_o the_o impose_v subscription_n oath_n declaration_n and_o covenant_n and_o only_o take_v the_o word_n in_o such_o a_o sense_n in_o which_o we_o ourselves_o can_v take_v they_o be_v we_o persuade_v that_o it_o be_v indeed_o the_o true_a meaning_n of_o they_o query_n hereupon_o how_o it_o come_v to_o pass_v that_o they_o who_o be_v as_o much_o as_o we_o against_o that_o sense_n which_o we_o disow_v and_o agree_v with_o we_o in_o the_o matter_n shall_v deserve_v liberty_n honour_n and_o preferment_n for_o otherwise_o interpret_n the_o word_n of_o the_o law_n which_o the_o lawgiver_n themselves_o will_v not_o interpret_v when_o our_o supposition_n that_o the_o lawmaker_n mean_v proper_o as_o they_o speak_v be_v take_v to_o deserve_v scorn_n silence_v etc._n etc._n from_o they_o that_o will_v not_o expound_v their_o word_n to_o we_o judgement_n of_o nonconformist_n in_o second_o plea_n etc._n etc._n p._n 116_o 117._o and_o see_v as_o those_o worthy_a conformist_n must_v grant_v that_o if_o the_o word_n of_o the_o law_n be_v proper_o to_o be_v understand_v and_o not_o with_o their_o limitation_n than_o the_o conformist_n be_v in_o the_o wrong_n and_o the_o nonconformist_n in_o the_o right_a
untrue_a or_o evil_a or_o which_o all_o man_n may_v not_o consent_v to_o therefore_o all_o other_o must_v think_v so_o too_o and_o say_v as_o they_o who_o can_v think_v that_o in_o many_o thousand_o uncertain_a word_n all_o man_n can_v and_o must_v be_v of_o the_o same_o mind_n and_o approve_v they_o all_o alike_o or_o that_o honest_a man_n can_v lie_v and_o say_v that_o they_o assent_n to_o what_o they_o do_v not_o ibid._n p._n 88_o q._n 31._o if_o man_n in_o all_o these_o must_v be_v bring_v to_o uniformity_n and_o practise_v in_o the_o same_o mode_n whether_o must_v it_o not_o be_v either_o by_o argument_n and_o persuasion_n or_o by_o force_n and_o whether_o it_o be_v not_o certain_a that_o the_o first_o will_v never_o do_v it_o beside_o a_o multitude_n of_o reason_n whether_o do_v not_o many_o hundred_o year_n experience_n prove_v that_o all_o christian_n will_v never_o be_v in_o all_o thing_n of_o a_o mind_n about_o lawful_a and_o unlawful_a duty_n and_o sin_n and_o whether_o it_o be_v not_o as_o certain_a that_o force_n will_v never_o do_v it_o will_v a_o sound_a believer_n sell_v his_o soul_n to_o save_v his_o flesh_n or_o hazard_v heaven_n by_o wilful_a sin_n to_o save_v his_o interest_n on_o earth_n ibid._n p._n 89_o 90._o q._n 32._o whether_o in_o regard_n of_o the_o diversity_n of_o mental_a capacity_n and_o apprehension_n the_o best_a will_v ever_o agree_v in_o any_o but_o few_o plain_a and_o certain_a thing_n way_n of_o concord_n 3d_o part_n p._n 109._o and_o q._n 33._o whether_o universal_a concord_n may_v not_o take_v in_o most_o of_o the_o differ_a party_n though_o not_o as_o such_o by_o receive_v any_o of_o their_o error_n yet_o as_o christian_n who_o agree_v in_o the_o common_a essential_o of_o faith_n and_o piety_n and_o whether_o we_o shall_v not_o hold_v essential_a unity_n with_o all_o that_o hold_v the_o essential_o of_o christianity_n though_o with_o those_o that_o hold_v integral_n more_o pure_o we_o be_v to_o have_v more_o full_a and_o near_a concord_n than_o the_o rest_n that_o have_v more_o error_n ib._n p._n 72._o whether_o christian_n ought_v not_o to_o bear_v with_o one_o another_o without_o have_v their_o affection_n alienate_v from_o and_o much_o more_o without_o persecute_v one_o another_o in_o great_a matter_n than_o most_o of_o the_o dissent_v party_n disagree_v in_o whether_o christian_n of_o as_o different_a principle_n may_v not_o yea_o and_o ought_v not_o yet_o to_o love_v each_o other_o and_o live_v in_o peace_n sacril_n desert_n p._n 7_o 8._o 9_o whether_o the_o novatian_o for_o many_o age_n be_v not_o tolerate_v by_o the_o wise_a and_o godly_a emperor_n and_o bishop_n ibid._n p._n 14._o q._n 34._o whether_o the_o term_n of_o church-communion_n must_v not_o be_v such_o as_o take_v in_o all_o that_o christ_n take_v in_o and_o will_v have_v we_o take_v in_o i._n e._n all_o that_o be_v fit_a for_o church-communion_n and_o whether_o they_o shall_v not_o be_v such_o term_n as_o all_o true_a christian_n fit_a for_o such_o church-communion_n if_o impose_v will_v have_v unite_v in_o in_o all_o age_n and_o place_n of_o the_o church_n since_o the_o day_n of_o christ_n till_o now_o and_o whether_o those_o term_n that_o will_v have_v divide_v the_o church_n be_v fit_a mean_n to_o unite_v it_o or_o can_v we_o think_v that_o the_o church_n shall_v now_o unite_v upon_o such_o term_n as_o it_o never_o unite_v before_o second_o plea_n for_o p._n p._n 152_o 153._o q._n 35._o whether_o christ_n himself_o have_v not_o institute_v the_o baptismal_a covenant_n mat._n 28._o 19_o to_o be_v the_o title_n of_o visible_a member_n of_o the_o church_n and_o the_o symbol_n by_o which_o they_o shall_v be_v notify_v and_o have_v not_o command_v all_o the_o baptize_v as_o christian_n to_o love_v each_o other_o as_o themselves_o and_o though_o weak_a in_o faith_n to_o receive_v one_o another_o as_o christ_n receive_v we_o but_o not_o to_o doubtful_a disputation_n and_o so_o far_o as_o they_o have_v attain_v to_o walk_v by_o the_o same_o rule_n of_o love_n and_o peace_n and_o not_o to_o despise_v or_o judge_v each_o other_o for_o tolerable_a difference_n and_o whether_o any_o mortal_a man_n have_v power_n to_o abrogate_v these_o term_n of_o church-union_n and_o concord_n which_o christ_n have_v make_v first_o plea_n for_o p._n p._n 34._o q._n 36._o whether_o christ_n who_o make_v the_o baptismal_a covenant_n the_o test_n and_o stand_a term_n of_o entrance_n do_v set_v up_o pastor_n over_o his_o church_n to_o make_v new_a and_o strict_a term_n and_o law_n or_o to_o preserve_v concord_n on_o the_o term_n that_o he_o have_v found_v it_o and_o to_o see_v that_o man_n live_v in_o unity_n and_o piety_n according_a to_o the_o term_n of_o the_o covenant_n which_o they_o have_v enter_v second_o plea_n for_o p._n p._n 154._o and_o when_o they_o have_v as_o minister_n not_o as_o lord_n receive_v man_n on_o christ_n term_n whether_o they_o may_v excommunicate_v and_o turn_v they_o out_o again_o for_o want_v of_o more_o or_o only_o for_o violate_v these_o ibid._n p._n 155._o q._n 37._o whether_o it_o be_v not_o a_o strange_a contrariety_n of_o some_o to_o themselves_o who_o judge_v that_o all_o infant_n of_o heathen_n jew_n turk_n or_o wicked_a man_n be_v without_o exception_n to_o be_v take_v into_o the_o church_n if_o any_o ignorant_a christian_a will_v but_o offer_v they_o and_o say_v over_o a_o few_o word_n and_o the_o adult_n also_o if_o they_o can_v but_o say_v over_o the_o creed_n by_o rote_n and_o a_o few_o word_n more_o that_o will_v fill_v the_o church_n with_o enemy_n of_o christ_n and_o yet_o when_o man_n be_v in_o deny_v they_o communion_n unless_o they_o will_v strict_o come_v up_o to_o many_o humane_a unnecessary_a imposition_n as_o if_o far_o strict_a obedience_n to_o man_n perhaps_o in_o usurpation_n be_v necessary_a than_o to_o jesus_n christ_n way_n of_o concord_n p._n 118._o §_o 10._o q._n 38._o whether_o the_o universal_a church_n have_v not_o unity_n long_o upon_o the_o term_n of_o baptism_n and_o the_o creed_n and_o scripture_n without_o any_o other_o subscription_n oath_n or_o other_o profession_n make_v necessary_a to_o communion_n and_o whether_o it_o ever_o have_v union_n upon_o such_o additional_a term_n of_o new_a profession_n subscription_n and_o oath_n as_o most_o church_n now_o impose_v and_o require_v whether_o they_o depart_v not_o from_o unity_n and_o concord_n and_o so_o continue_v divide_v to_o this_o day_n when_o they_o depart_v from_o the_o ancient_a simplicity_n and_o the_o primitive_a term_n ibid._n p._n 157._o §_o 42._o and_o whether_o those_o pastor_n who_o will_v make_v canon_n that_o al●_n english_a protestant_n shall_v agree_v in_o subscription_n profession_n oath_n form_n and_o ceremony_n which_o they_o be_v not_o agree_v in_o nor_o ever_o will_v be_v do_v not_o in_o effect_n say_v we_o will_v break_v they_o more_o in_o piece_n and_o set_v they_o far_o from_o each_o other_o than_o before_o ibid._n p._n 183._o §_o 100_o whether_o the_o hereticate_a and_o curse_v man_n for_o doubtful_a word_n or_o want_v of_o skill_n in_o aptness_n of_o expression_n yea_o or_o for_o error_n which_o consist_v with_o have_v faith_n in_o christ_n be_v not_o so_o far_o from_o be_v a_o mean_n of_o the_o church_n good_a that_o it_o have_v be_v the_o grand_a engine_n of_o satan_n to_o exercise_v tyranny_n excite_v hatred_n and_o schism_n etc._n etc._n and_o therefore_o careful_o to_o be_v avoid_v way_n of_o concord_n p._n 195._o §_o 34._o whether_o anathematise_v man_n for_o doubtful_a action_n or_o for_o such_o fault_n as_o consist_v with_o true_a christianity_n and_o continue_a subjection_n to_o jesus_n christ_n be_v not_o a_o sinful_a church-dividing_a mean_n ibid._n p._n 195_o 196._o q._n 39_o whether_o addition_n to_o christ_n term_n be_v not_o very_o perilous_a as_o well_o as_o diminution_n as_o when_o man_n will_v deny_v church-entrance_n or_o communion_n to_o any_o that_o christ_n will_v have_v receive_v because_o they_o come_v not_o up_o to_o certain_a term_n which_o they_o or_o such_o as_o they_o devise_n and_o though_o they_o think_v that_o christ_n give_v they_o power_n to_o do_v thus_o yet_o whether_o their_o error_n will_v make_v they_o guiltless_a or_o whether_o impute_v their_o error_n to_o christ_n untrue_o be_v not_o a_o aggravation_n of_o the_o sin_n ibid._n p._n 119._o §_o 1._o whether_o it_o be_v a_o small_a fault_n to_o usurp_v a_o power_n proper_a to_o christ_n ibid._n §_o 2._o whether_o it_o be_v not_o dangerous_a pride_n to_o think_v themselves_o great_a enough_o wise_a enough_o and_o good_a enough_o to_o come_v after_o christ_n and_o to_o amend_v his_o work_n ibid._n §_o 3._o and_o whether_o this_o imply_v not_o a_o accusation_n against_o he_o and_o his_o institution_n ibid._n §_o 4._o and_o whether_o the_o merciful_a lord_n and_o
saviour_n of_o the_o church_n that_o come_v to_o take_v off_o heavy_a burden_n and_o intolerable_a yoke_n will_v take_v it_o well_o to_o have_v man_n come_v after_o he_o and_o as_o by_o his_o authority_n to_o make_v his_o easy_a yoke_n more_o straight_o and_o his_o light_a burden_n heavy_a and_o to_o cast_v or_o keep_v out_o th●se_a that_o he_o have_v redeem_v and_o do_v receive_v and_o to_o deal_v cruel_o with_o those_o that_o he_o have_v so_o dear_o buy_v and_o so_o tender_o love_v ibid._n p._n 120._o §_o 6._o when_o christ_n say_v mat._n 18._o 6._o whoso_o shall_v offend_v one_o of_o these_o little_a one_o which_o believe_v in_o i_o it_o be_v better_o for_o he_o that_o a_o millstone_n be_v hang_v about_o his_o neck_n etc._n etc._n whether_o bishop_n may_v curse_v such_o from_o christ_n and_o excommunicate_v they_o and_o whether_o it_o be_v safe_a for_o they_o to_o do_v so_o ibid._n p._n 144._o and_o see_v that_o spiritual_a privilege_n excel_v temporal_a whether_o it_o be_v not_o a_o aggravate_v tyranny_n to_o deprive_v christ_n servant_n of_o benefit_n so_o precious_a and_o so_o dear_o buy_v ibid._n p._n 120._o §_o 9_o q._n 40._o whether_o christ_n be_v not_o the_o institutor_n of_o the_o church_n and_o have_v not_o himself_o make_v law_n which_o be_v sufficient_a to_o be_v at_o least_o the_o bond_n of_o their_o unity_n yea_o for_o more_o than_o essential_o even_o the_o integral_n and_o many_o accident_n and_o have_v not_o he_o give_v law_n to_o regulate_v all_o man_n law_n that_o determine_v of_o needful_a undetermined_a accident_n and_o whether_o any_o man_n shall_v be_v cut_v off_o from_o the_o church_n or_o take_v as_o separate_v that_o break_v no_o law_n of_o god_n necessary_a to_o church-unity_n and_o communion_n and_o whether_o the_o grand_a schismatic_n of_o the_o world_n be_v not_o the_o engineer_n that_o fabricate_a needless_a impossible_a divide_v term_n and_o condition_n of_o unity_n and_o communion_n answ._n to_o dr._n sill._n serm._n p._n 88_o or_o 82._o q._n 41._o whether_o it_o be_v not_o enough_o that_o we_o be_v unite_v and_o agree_v with_o those_o that_o differ_v from_o we_o in_o more_o than_o circumstance_n and_o that_o we_o will_v hold_v concord_n with_o all_o in_o faith_n love_n and_o communion_n if_o they_o will_v admit_v we_o without_o our_o sin_v upon_o the_o term_n set_v down_o by_o the_o holy_a ghost_n and_o the_o apostle_n act_n 15._o 28_o and_o if_o no_o man_n must_v be_v of_o the_o same_o church_n or_o kingdom_n that_o have_v any_o difference_n yea_o as_o great_a as_o can_v reasonable_o be_v suppose_v in_o the_o mere_a nonconformist_n whether_o any_o two_o man_n can_v be_v of_o the_o same_o church_n or_o kingdom_n except_o you_o will_v compose_v it_o of_o such_o as_o hold_v nothing_o unlawful_a and_o consequent_o nothing_o moral_o good_a which_o be_v no_o church_n judgement_n of_o nonconformist_n in_o second_o plea_n for_o peace_n p._n 85_o 86._o q._n 42._o whether_o the_o long_a and_o sad_a experience_n of_o all_o the_o christian_a church_n which_o have_v be_v divide_v by_o unnecessary_a human_a imposition_n and_o the_o voice_n of_o all_o wise_a peacemaker_n in_o all_o time_n who_o have_v still_o call_v for_o unity_n in_o thing_n necessary_a liberty_n in_o thing_n unnecessary_a and_o charity_n in_o both_o do_v not_o leave_v those_o that_o yet_o will_v not_o be_v persuade_v to_o these_o term_n as_o inexcusable_a person_n as_o almost_o any_o in_o the_o world_n worse_a than_o those_o physician_n that_o will_v use_v all_o those_o thing_n as_o the_o only_a remedy_n which_o have_v kill_v all_o that_o ever_o take_v they_o second_v plea_n for_o peace_n p._n 155._o §_o 34._o q._n 43._o whether_o they_o that_o confess_v that_o for_o the_o communion_n of_o all_o the_o church_n there_o be_v no_o term_n like_o these_o now_o mention_v shall_v be_v more_o cruel_a to_o their_o own_o at_o home_n turn_v they_o out_o of_o their_o father_n house_n for_o every_o ceremonial_a difference_n whether_o a_o pastor_n shall_v not_o love_v his_o own_o flock_n as_o well_o as_o the_o people_n of_o a_o foreign_a land_n ib._n p._n 155_o 156._o §_o 35._o and_o whether_o it_o be_v not_o a_o schismatical_a opinion_n that_o though_o church_n of_o many_o kingdom_n may_v charitable_o differ_v in_o ceremony_n and_o indifferent_a thing_n yet_o none_o in_o the_o same_o kingdom_n shall_v be_v suffer_v so_o to_o differ_v whether_o the_o apostle_n paul_n give_v not_o the_o pastor_n and_o people_n of_o the_o same_o church_n of_o rome_n those_o precept_n of_o forbear_v and_o receive_v dissenter_n in_o thing_n indifferent_a way_n of_o concord_n three_o part_n p._n 106._o q._n 44._o whether_o uniformity_n in_o circumstantial_o and_o in_o external_n polity_n be_v any_o more_o than_o a_o carcase_n or_o image_n of_o unity_n without_o unite_n love_n which_o be_v its_o soul_n whether_o all_o union_n in_o evil_a or_o in_o unnecessary_a circumstantial_o which_o be_v manage_v to_o the_o diminution_n of_o christian_a love_n be_v any_o more_o to_o the_o church_n than_o as_o the_o glory_n of_o adorn_a clothing_n or_o monument_n or_o picture_n to_o a_o carcase_n ib._n p._n 66._o q._n 45._o whether_o love_n and_o unity_n which_o the_o most_o zealous_a for_o human_a imposition_n can_v but_o commend_v will_v teach_v man_n to_o tyrannize_v over_o inferior_n to_o contrive_v the_o tread_v down_o of_o other_o that_o they_o may_v rise_v and_o to_o keep_v they_o down_o to_o secure_v their_o own_o domination_n to_o oppress_v the_o poor_a weak_a or_o innocent_a to_o make_v s●ares_n for_o other_o man_n conscience_n or_o to_o lay_v stumbling-block_n before_o they_o to_o occasion_v they_o to_o sin_n or_o to_o drive_v they_o on_o to_o sin_n against_o conscience_n and_o so_o to_o hell_n to_o show_v man_n authority_n about_o thing_n they_o call_v indifferent_a or_o in_o a_o thing_n of_o nought_o way_n of_o concord_n p._n 36._o will_v not_o true_a ●ove_n end_v our_o great_a difference_n if_o man_n love_v the●_n neighbour_n without_o dissemble_v as_o themselves_o and_o do_v but_o as_o they_o will_v be_v do_v by_o second_v plea_n for_o pe●●_n p._n 156._o §_o 37._o yea_o if_o many_o of_o the_o child_n of_o the_o church_n be_v injudicious_o scrupulous_a when_o fear_n of_o sin_n and_o hell_n be_v the_o cause_n whether_o a_o tender_a pastor_n will_v not_o abate_v they_o a_o ceremony_n in_o such_o a_o case_n when_o his_o abate_n it_o have_v no_o such_o danger_n lb._n §_o ●6_n q._n 46._o whether_o unmerciful_a pastor_n do_v not_o tempt_v the_o people_n to_o question_v whether_o they_o be_v send_v of_o god_n whether_o the_o people_n will_v not_o judge_n of_o pastor_n as_o sol●mon_n of_o the_o true_a mother_n of_o the_o child_n that_o the_o merciful_a and_o love_a be_v the_o true_a pastor_n and_o the_o hartful_a be_v the_o usurper_n lb._n p._n 156_o 157._o §_o 39_o q._n 47._o whether_o they_o that_o can_v bear_v with_o such_o as_o understand_v not_o the_o essential_o of_o christianity_n and_o with_o drunkard_n swearer_n fornicator_n etc._n etc._n in_o their_o constant_a congregation_n and_o communion_n and_o yet_o will_v not_o bear_v with_o a_o honest_a godly_a christian_a that_o differ_v from_o their_o way_n of_o worship_n in_o no_o great_a matter_n than_o a_o ceremony_n have_v not_o something_o more_o amiss_o within_o than_o a_o ceremony_n ib._n p._n 162._o §_o 48._o and_o whether_o the_o soul_n of_o such_o as_o some_o call_v humorous_a peevish_a or_o wilful_a be_v not_o worth_n more_o than_o some_o of_o that_o they_o call_v their_o liberty_n worth_a more_o than_o a_o needless_a ceremony_n judgement_n of_o nonconformist_n in_o second_o plea_n p._n 66._o q._n 5._o q._n 48._o whether_o as_o every_o hypocrite_n will_v be_v very_o religious_a so_o far_o as_o he_o can_v subject_v the_o true_a common_a religion_n to_o his_o own_o interest_n and_o lust_n so_o every_o enemy_n of_o peace_n will_v not_o seem_v zealous_a for_o peace_n so_o that_o his_o own_o peace_n be_v make_v the_o rule_n of_o the_o common_a peace_n that_o all_o man_n be_v bring_v to_o centre_n in_o his_o interest_n and_o take_v their_o peace_n on_o his_o term_n from_o he_o second_v plea_n etc._n etc._n p._n 149._o q._n 49._o whether_o all_o the_o argument_n for_o unity_n and_o peace_n which_o be_v make_v use_n of_o against_o toleration_n by_o prelatist_n and_o all_o the_o mischief_n of_o division_n which_o they_o aggravate_v do_v not_o principal_o fall_v on_o themselves_o if_o it_o prove_v that_o they_o be_v the_o great_a cause_n of_o division_n and_o hinderer_n of_o church-concord_n ib._n p._n 180._o §_o 88_o whether_o they_o do_v not_o condemn_v themselves_o who_o cry_v down_o schism_n while_o they_o unavoidable_o cause_v it_o and_o whether_o overdo_a term_n of_o church-union_n and_o concord_n be_v not_o the_o certain_a engine_n of_o schism_n way_n of_o concord_n p._n 121._o §_o 11._o
judgement_n and_o the_o untruth_n of_o what_o they_o have_v believe_v of_o we_o ibid._n p._n 85._o and_o whether_o we_o may_v not_o suppose_v that_o satan_n be_v afraid_a of_o their_o ministry_n who_o have_v stir_v up_o so_o much_o opposition_n against_o it_o sacril_n desert_n p._n 84._o q._n 64._o whether_o popery_n will_v come_v in_o ever_o the_o more_o for_o nonconformist's_a preach_v whether_o such_o will_v preach_v for_o or_o against_o it_o or_o ever_o the_o ●ss_n if_o they_o renounce_v their_o ministry_n ibid._n p._n 82._o whether_o they_o that_o cry_v out_o of_o the_o danger_n of_o popery_n infidelity_n profaneness_n and_o heresy_n and_o yet_o have_v rather_o let_v they_o all_o in_o then_o give_v we_o leave_v to_o exercise_v that_o ministry_n to_o which_o we_o be_v consecrate_v in_o poverty_n and_o subjection_n and_o while_o they_o cry_v out_o of_o division_n will_v not_o lay_v by_o the_o divide_v engine_n shall_v rather_o accuse_v we_o or_o themselves_o if_o the_o evil_n overwhelm_v we_o which_o they_o seem_v to_o fear_v ibid._n p._n 137_o 138._o q._n 65._o when_o any_o be_v unjust_o cast_v out_o of_o their_o parish-church_n whether_o all_o minister_n be_v thereupon_o oblige_v or_o allow_v to_o desert_n or_o neglect_v they_o ib._n p._n 21._o q._n 66._o if_o a_o patient_n will_v not_o take_v a_o medicine_n from_o one_o man_n hand_n whether_o will_v not_o the_o physician_n consent_n that_o another_o shall_v give_v it_o he_o whether_o will_v the_o father_n let_v the_o infant_n famish_v if_o it_o will_v take_v food_n from_o none_o but_o its_o mother_n and_o whether_o will_v there_o be_v need_n of_o the_o best_a conformist_n as_o minister_n if_o the_o people_n have_v no_o fault_n or_o weakness_n ibid._n p._n 125_o 126._o what_o if_o they_o culpable_o will_v hear_v no_o other_o be_v it_o better_a to_o let_v they_o hear_v none_o at_o all_o than_o that_o we_o preach_v to_o they_o answ._n to_o dr._n still_o serm._n p._n 59_o or_o 61._o q._n 67._o whether_o it_o be_v not_o one_o thing_n to_o deny_v total_a communion_n with_o a_o church_n and_o another_o to_o separate_v but_o secundum_fw-la quid_fw-la for_o some_o act_n or_o part_n whether_o it_o be_v not_o one_o thing_n to_o separate_v local_o by_o bodily_a absence_n and_o another_o mental_o by_o schismatical_a principle_n whether_o it_o be_v not_o one_o thing_n to_o depart_v wilful_o and_o another_o to_o be_v unwilling_o cast_v out_o whether_o it_o be_v not_o one_o thing_n to_o depart_v rash_o and_o in_o haste_n and_o another_o to_o depart_v after_o due_a patience_n when_o reformation_n appear_v hopeless_a first_o plea_n etc._n etc._n p._n 38_o 39_o q._n 68_o when_o the_o public_a good_a require_v nonconformist_n to_o hold_v distinct_a assembly_n for_o assistance_n in_o doctrine_n worship_n and_o discipline_n as_o near_o as_o they_o can_v according_a to_o the_o will_n of_o god_n to_o further_o not_o to_o disgrace_v or_o hinder_v the_o honest_a parish-minister_n whether_o be_v these_o separate_a church_n any_o more_o than_o chapel_n be_v or_o distinct_a church_n more_o than_o secundum_fw-la quid_fw-la hold_v personal_a communion_n in_o a_o godly_a conversation_n with_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o christian_n in_o the_o parish_n and_o also_o sometime_o assemble_v with_o they_o sacril_n desert_n p._n 22_o 23._o or_o whether_o those_o that_o do_v their_o best_a to_o keep_v up_o the_o reputation_n of_o the_o public_a conformable_a ministry_n to_o further_a love_n and_o concord_n and_o the_o success_n of_o their_o labour_n with_o the_o people_n and_o profess_v to_o take_v their_o own_o assembly_n but_o as_o chapel_n and_o not_o as_o distinct_a much_o less_o as_o separate_v church_n yea_o and_o those_o who_o do_v administer_v sacrament_n and_o do_v that_o which_o be_v like_o the_o separatist_n way_n yet_o do_v it_o not_o on_o their_o principle_n but_o pro_fw-la tempore_fw-la till_o god_n shall_v give_v they_o opportunity_n to_o serve_v he_o in_o the_o establish_a way_n it_o be_v reform_v or_o well-ordered_a parish-church_n under_o the_o government_n and_o countenance_n of_o the_o christian_a magistrate_n which_o be_v most_o agreeable_a to_o their_o desire_n whether_o such_o i_o say_v be_v just_o account_v separatist_n first_o plea_n etc._n etc._n p._n 246._o q._n 69._o whether_o we_o may_v not_o set_v up_o other_o church_n when_o we_o be_v necessary_o keep_v from_o those_o establish_v by_o public_a power_n ib._n p._n 77._o q._n 70._o whether_o it_o be_v schism_n to_o preach_v and_o gather_v church_n and_o elect_v and_o ordain_v pastor_n and_o assemble_v for_o god_n worship_n against_o the_o law_n and_o will_n of_o heathen_a mahometan_n or_o infidel_n prince_n that_o forbid_v it_o as_o the_o christian_n do_v for_o 300_o year_n and_o if_o there_o be_v the_o same_o cause_n and_o need_n whether_o it_o be_v any_o more_o schism_n to_o do_v it_o against_o the_o law_n and_o will_n of_o a_o christian_a prince_n for_o 1._o be_v not_o christ_n law_n equal_o obligatory_a 2._o be_v not_o soul_n equal_o precious_a 3._o be_v not_o the_o gospel_n and_o god_n worship_n equal_o necessary_a 4._o and_o do_v his_o christianity_n enable_v he_o to_o do_v more_o hurt_v than_o a_o pagan_a may_v do_v or_o more_o good_a ibid._n p._n 51_o 52._o q._n 71._o if_o competent_a pastor_n be_v set_v over_o half_a the_o parish_n in_o a_o kingdom_n and_o the_o other_o half_o have_v incompetent_a man_n or_o if_o nine_o part_n of_o a_o kingdom_n be_v competent_o supply_v and_o but_o the_o ten_o part_n have_v not_o such_o set_n over_o they_o to_o who_o the_o people_n may_v lawful_o commit_v the_o pastoral_n care_n of_o their_o soul_n whether_o be_v it_o schism_n or_o whether_o be_v it_o not_o a_o duty_n for_o those_o that_o be_v destitute_a to_o get_v the_o best_a supply_n they_o can_v and_o whether_o be_v it_o schism_n or_o whether_o be_v it_o not_o a_o duty_n for_o faithful_a minister_n though_o forbid_v by_o superior_n to_o perform_v their_o office_n to_o such_o people_n that_o desire_v it_o ibid._n p._n 83._o if_o the_o magistrate_n appoint_v 20000_o or_o 10000_o or_o one_o half_a of_o a_o parish_n to_o be_v exclude_v for_o want_n of_o room_n and_o teacher_n be_v it_o not_o ill_o suppose_v that_o the_o gospel_n be_v true_o and_o sufficient_o preach_v to_o they_o to_o who_o it_o be_v not_o preach_v at_o all_o or_o do_v it_o prove_v it_o not_o necessary_a to_o they_o that_o it_o be_v preach_v to_o other_o ans._n to_o dr._n still_o serm._n p._n 22._o and_o whether_o be_v not_o the_o general_a ordination_n of_o minister_n with_o the_o people_n necessity_n and_o consent_n add_v to_o god_n general_n command_v to_o all_o his_o minister_n to_o be_v faithful_a and_o diligent_a a_o sufficient_a oblige_a call_n to_o such_o ministration_n without_o the_o will_n of_o prohibit_v superior_n yea_o against_o it_o and_o otherwise_o do_v it_o not_o follow_v that_o it_o be_v at_o the_o will_n of_o a_o man_n whether_o soul_n shall_v be_v save_v or_o damn_v for_o how_o shall_v they_o believe_v unless_o they_o hear_v and_o how_o shall_v they_o hear_v without_o a_o preacher_n and_o at_o the_o will_n of_o man_n whether_o christ_n shall_v have_v a_o church_n and_o god_n be_v public_o worship_v or_o not_o first_o plea_n etc._n etc._n p._n 48._o and_o whether_o do_v not_o the_o indispensible_a law_n of_o nature_n oblige_v every_o man_n according_a to_o his_o place_n and_o call_v his_o ability_n and_o opportunity_n to_o do_v his_o best_a to_o propagate_v christ_n gospel_n and_o to_o save_v man_n soul_n as_o much_o and_o more_o than_o to_o feed_v man_n body_n and_o save_v their_o life_n and_o whether_o be_v not_o minister_n special_o oblige_v to_o do_v it_o by_o their_o call_v as_o minister_n of_o christ_n thereto_o devote_v ibid._n q._n 72._o there_o be_v so_o many_o sort_n of_o church_n in_o the_o world_n as_o universal_a national_a patriarchal_a provincial_a or_o metropolitical_a diocesan_n classical_a parochial_a congregational_a whether_o must_v it_o not_o be_v hard_a to_o give_v a_o just_a decision_n of_o the_o question_n from_o which_o of_o these_o and_o when_o it_o be_v a_o sin_n to_o separate_v till_o it_o be_v first_o know_v which_o of_o those_o be_v of_o divine_a and_o which_o of_o humane_a institution_n and_o which_o humane_a church_n be_v necessary_a which_o lawful_a and_o which_o sinful_a ibid._n p._n 7._o how_o be_v it_o prove_v and_o how_o come_v it_o to_o be_v any_o great_a matter_n to_o separate_v from_o a_o church-●orm_a which_o god_n never_o make_v answ._n to_o dr._n still_o serm._n p._n 33._o q._n 73._o whether_o they_o that_o say_v those_o species_n national_a patriarchal_a provincial_a diocesan_n be_v of_o god_n must_v not_o prove_v that_o god_n institute_v they_o in_o scripture_n or_o else_o that_o he_o give_v some_o man_n power_n to_o institute_v they_o since_o scripture-time_n and_o till_o the_o same_o be_v prove_v
teach_v not_o heresy_n nor_o preach_v down_o holiness_n etc._n etc._n and_o deny_v we_o not_o their_o communion_n unless_o we_o will_v sin_v or_o a_o conformist_n that_o will_v hold_v communion_n with_o none_o but_o his_o own_o party_n but_o separate_v from_o all_o other_o church_n in_o the_o land_n ib._n p._n 41._o be_v he_o a_o great_a separatist_n that_o confess_v they_o to_o be_v a_o true_a church_n and_o their_o communion_n lawful_a but_o prefer_v another_o as_o fit_a for_o he_o or_o he_o that_o deny_v communion_n with_o true_a worship_v assembly_n as_o unlawful_a to_o be_v communicate_v with_o when_o it_o be_v not_o so_o if_o the_o former_a then_o will_v it_o not_o follow_v that_o condemn_v they_o as_o no_o church_n be_v a_o diminution_n or_o no_o aggravation_n of_o separation_n and_o the_o local_a presence_n of_o a_o infidel_n or_o scorner_n will_v be_v a_o less_o separate_a state_n than_o the_o absence_n of_o their_o friend_n if_o the_o latter_a which_o be_v certain_a then_o will_v it_o not_o follow_v that_o if_o we_o can_v prove_v the_o assembly_n lawful_a which_o they_o condemn_v they_o be_v the_o true_a separatist_n that_o condemn_v they_o and_o deny_v communion_n with_o they_o declare_v it_o unlawful_a answ._n to_o dr._n still_o serm._n p._n 47_o or_o 49._o q._n 80._o and_o whether_o be_v not_o the_o separation_n of_o whole_a church_n much_o worse_o than_o of_o single_a person_n from_o one_o church_n when_o it_o be_v upon_o unwarrantable_a cause_n or_o reason_n ib._n p._n 31._o now_o how_o many_o of_o the_o dissenter_n frequent_o communicate_v with_o they_o while_o they_o general_o refuse_v shun_v and_o condemn_v our_o assembly_n be_v there_o no_o true_a church_n to_o be_v find_v in_o the_o world_n that_o have_v no_o bishop_n of_o a_o superior_a order_n over_o pastor_n and_o be_v there_o not_o true_a church_n in_o england_n in_o that_o long_a interval_n of_o episcopal_a government_n and_o be_v not_o they_o as_o just_o to_o be_v charge_v with_o schism_n and_o separation_n from_o those_o true_a church_n which_o be_v before_o the_o re-establishment_n of_o episcopacy_n as_o they_o that_o be_v common_o charge_v by_o those_o encroacher_n and_o invader_n of_o other_o man_n right_n vid._n sacril_n desert_n p._n 60._o q._n 81._o see_v the_o universal_a church_n be_v certain_o the_o high_a species_n whether_o have_v any_o authority_n on_o pretence_n of_o narrow_a communion_n in_o low_a church_n to_o change_v christ_n term_n of_o catholic_n communion_n or_o to_o deprive_v christian_n of_o the_o right_n of_o be_v love_v and_o receive_v by_o each_o other_o or_o to_o disoblige_v they_o from_o the_o duty_n of_o love_v and_o receive_v each_o other_o whether_o can_v humane_a power_n make_v by_o their_o own_o contract_n change_n christ_n law_n or_o the_o privilege_n or_o form_n of_o christ_n own_o church_n way_n of_o concord_n p._n 111._o §_o 14._o q._n 82._o whether_o the_o great_a and_o common_a schism_n be_v not_o by_o divide_v law_n and_o canon_n which_o causless_o silence_n minister_n scatter_v flock_n and_o decree_v the_o unjust_a excommunication_n of_o christian_n and_o deny_v communion_n to_o those_o that_o yield_v not_o to_o sinful_a or_o unnecessary_a ill-made_a term_n of_o communion_n ibid._n three_o part_n p._n 13._o §_o 43._o and_o if_o any_o proud_a passionate_a or_o erroneous_a person_n do_v as_o diothrephes_n cast_v out_o the_o brethren_n undeserved_o by_o unjust_a suspension_n silencing_n or_o excommunication_n whether_o this_o be_v not_o tyrannical_a schism_n first_o plea_n &c_n &c_n p._n 41._o and_o as_o we_o say_v of_o the_o papist_n that_o they_o unjust_o call_v those_o man_n schismatic_n who_o they_o first_o cast_v out_o themselves_o by_o unjust_a excommunication_n may_v we_o not_o say_v so_o of_o any_o other_o especial_o if_o either_o for_o that_o which_o be_v a_o duty_n or_o for_o some_o small_a mistake_n which_o be_v not_o in_o the_o person_n power_n to_o rectify_v no_o great_a than_o most_o good_a christian_n be_v guilty_a of_o their_o church-law_n say_v he_o shall_v be_v excommunicate_a ipso_fw-la facto_fw-la ibid._n p._n 104._o see_v also_o answ._n to_o dr._n still_o serm._n p._n 47._o or_o 49._o §_o 8._o q._n 83._o whether_o make_v sinful_a term_n of_o communion_n impose_v thing_n forbid_v by_o god_n on_o those_o that_o will_v have_v communion_n with_o they_o and_o expel_v those_o that_o will_v not_o so_o sin_n whether_o this_o be_v not_o heinous_a schism_n first_o plea_n etc._n etc._n p._n 41_o 42._o q._n 84._o whether_o all_o those_o will_v not_o be_v deep_o guilty_a of_o such_o schism_n who_o by_o talk_n write_v or_o preach_v justify_v and_o cry_v it_o up_o and_o draw_v other_o into_o the_o gild_n and_o reproach_v the_o innocent_a as_o schismatic_n for_o not_o offend_v god_n ib._n q._n 85._o if_o any_o will_v confine_v the_o power_n or_o exercise_n of_o the_o church-key_n into_o so_o few_o hand_n as_o shall_v make_v the_o exercise_n of_o christ_n discipline_n impossible_a or_o shall_v make_v church_n so_o great_a or_o pastor_n so_o few_o as_o that_o the_o most_o of_o the_o people_n must_v needs_o be_v without_o pastoral_a oversight_n teach_v and_o public_a worship_n and_o then_o will_v forbid_v those_o people_n to_o commit_v the_o care_n of_o their_o soul_n to_o any_o other_o that_o will_v be_v pastor_n indeed_o and_o so_o will_v compel_v they_o to_o live_v without_o christ_n ordinance_n true_a church-communion_n and_o pastoral_n help_v whether_o this_o will_v not_o be_v schismatical_a and_o much_o worse_o ib._n p._n 44._o q._n 86._o when_o able_a faithful_a pastor_n be_v lawful_o s●t_v over_o the_o assembly_n by_o just_a election_n and_o ordination_n if_o any_o will_v causless_o and_o without_o right_a silence_n they_o and_o command_v the_o people_n to_o desert_v they_o and_o to_o take_v to_o other_o for_o their_o pastor_n in_o their_o stead_n o●_n who_o they_o have_v no_o such_o knowledge_n as_o may_v encourage_v they_o to_o such_o a_o change_n whether_o this_o can_v be_v defend_v from_o the_o charge_n of_o schism_n as_o cyprian_a in_o the_o case_n of_o novatian_n say_v that_o he_o can_v be_v no_o bishop_n because_o another_o be_v rightful_a bishop_n before_o ●_o ib._n p._n 49_o 50._o q._n 87._o whether_o the_o way_n to_o heal_v we_o be_v not_o 1._o to_o approve_v the_o best_a 2._o to_o tolerate_v the_o tolerable_a 3._o to_o have_v sacrament_n free_a and_o not_o force_v 4._o to_o restrain_v the_o intolerable_a 5._o this_o to_o be_v the_o test_n of_o toleration_n whether_o such_o tolerate_a worship_n do_v more_o good_a or_o hurt_n in_o true_a impartial_a judgement_n 6._o magistrate_n keep_v all_o in_o peace_n way_n of_o concord_n three_o part_n p._n 144._o q._n 88_o whether_o it_o be_v not_o a_o weaken_n of_o the_o king_n interest_n to_o divide_v his_o subject_n and_o build_v up_o unnecessary_a wall_n of_o partition_n between_o they_o and_o to_o keep_v they_o in_o such_o division_n see_v a_o kingdom_n divide_v against_o itself_o can_v stand_v and_o whether_o it_o be_v not_o unsafe_a and_o uncomfortable_a to_o a_o prince_n to_o rule_v a_o divide_a mutinous_a people_n but_o sweet_a and_o safe_a to_o rule_v they_o that_o be_v unite_v in_o mutual_a love_n whether_o they_o that_o will_v lay_v the_o people_n concord_n upon_o uncapable_a term_n will_v not_o bring_v the_o king_n interest_n in_o his_o people_n love_n and_o willing_a obedience_n and_o ready_a defence_n of_o he_o into_o too_o narrow_a a_o bottom_n make_v he_o the_o king_n of_o some_o causless_o divide_v and_o espouse_a party_n which_o must_v be_v set_v up_o to_o the_o oppression_n of_o all_o the_o rest_n who_o be_v as_o wise_a and_o just_a and_o loyal_a as_o they_o second_v plea_n etc._n etc._n p._n 76._o §_o 24._o si_fw-mi in_o necessariis_fw-la sit_fw-la vnitas_fw-la in_o non-necessariis_a libertas_n in_o u●risque_fw-la charitas_fw-la optimo_fw-la certe_fw-la loco_fw-la essent_fw-la res_fw-la nostrae_fw-la to_o make_v a_o round_a number_n i_o 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