it is from the world but we meane three other things First although it abide alwayes vpon the earth holding the whole faith without change and containing a certain number that constantly professe it yet this number may be very small and their profession so secret among themselues that the world and such as loue not the truth shall not see them they remaining so hidden as if they were not at all This point concerning the smalnes of the number is confessed by i Alexan. part 3. qu. vlt. nu 5. art 2. Dur. ration l. 6. c. 72. nu 25. Panorm de elect electi potest c. significasti Tur recrem de CoÌ„secr d. 2. semel Christus nu 4. theÌ„ that hold that about the time of Christs passion the true faith remained in none but onely the virgin Mary and by k Refert Fr. Suarez tom 2. difâ— 54. sect 6. pag. 649. such Catholicke writers as say that in the times of Antichrist the true faith shall perish throughout the whole world And the secretnesse of their profession is acknowledged by Pererius the Iesuite who l In Daniel pag. 714. writeth that in the time of Antichrist there shall be no sacrament in publick places neither shall any publicke honour be giuen it but priuately and priuily shall it be kept and honored And Ouandus the Frier m Breuiloqu in 4. Sent d. 18. prop. 3. p. 602. who thinketh the Masse at that time shal be celebrated but in very few places so that it shall seeme to be ceassed Secondly all the externall gouernement thereof may come to decay in that the locall and personall succession of the Pastors may be interrupted the discipline hindered the preachers scattered and all the outward exercise of gouernment and religion suspended whereby it shall come to passe that in all the world you cannot see any one particular Church publickly professing the true faith whereto you may safely ioyne your selfe by reason persecution and heresies shall haue ouerflowed all Churches as n Gen. 7.18 Noes floud did the world or obscured their light as the Sun is eclipsed or corrupted the sinceritie of religion as a leprosie or scab sometime groweth ouer the whole body of man and hideth euery member till by little and little it fall off againe Thus in effect say the Papists Acosta o De Temp. Nouiss l. 2. c. 15. saith All the light and reputation of Ecclesiasticall order lieth worne out and buried in the time of Antichrist the Priests lamenting the Church doores destroyed the altars forsaken the Church empty because there are none to come to the Lambes solemnitie And p Vpon 2. The. 2 3. the Rhemists It is verie like be it spoken vnder the correction of Gods Church and all learned Catholickes that this great defection or reuolt shall not be onely from the Romane Empire but specially from the Roman Church and withall from most points of Christian religion For that neare to the time of Antichrist and the consummation of the world there is like to be a great reuolt of kingdomes people and Prouinces froÌ„ the externall open obedience and communion thereof For the few dayes of Antichrists reigne the externall state of the Romane Church and publicke intercourse of the faithful with the same may ceasse q Aquipontan contra Sâ—hn de Antich pag. 23. Tho. Boz de Sign Eccl tom 3 l. 24 cap. 9.10 Others thinke that then the sacrifice of the Eucharist shall be taken away And r Dom. à Soto 4. d. 46. qu 1. art 1. some affirme The departure and reuolt of the whole world froÌ„ the sea of Rome shall be a signe of the end of the world the faith being extinguished by reason of this reuolt Thirdly Å¿ Apo. 13. 17. that which the world and the kingdomes thereof followeth as the Church may fall out to be the synagogue of Antichrist whose doctrine is poyson whose Pastours be Wolues in sheepes clothing and whose people be the bastards of the whore of Babylon that none can discerne the true beleeuers but such as are specially enlightened by Gods Spirit therunto Thus writeth Gregorie of Valence When we say the Church is alway coÌ„spicuous t Annal. fid l 6. c. 4 coÌ„ment Theol. tom 3. pag. 145. saith he this must not be taken as if we thought it might at euery season be discerned alike easily For we know that sometimes it is so tossed with the waues of errors schismes and persecutions that to such as are vnskilfull do not discreetly enough weigh the circumstances of times and things it shall be very hard to be knowne Which then specially fell out what time the falshood of the Arrians bare rule almost ouer all the world therefore we denie not but that it will be harder to discerne the Church at some times then at other some yet this we auouch that it alway might be discerned by such as could wisely esteeme things To the same effect u Relect. controâ— 1. q 3 pag. 30. writeth D. Stapleton 4 Whereby it appeareth that if our aduersaries would set contention aside the matter of the visible and inuisible Church were at an end for themselues thinke it may be driuen into the same straits that we complaine of as will appeare by examining the places alledged And no doubt they could haue bene contented to haue called it the inuisible Church too as we do buâ— that as in all other matters so in this it was their lucke to come after vs and we by euill hap vsed the terme before them and so matred x See Rhem. vpon 1. Tim. 6.20 2. Tim. 1.13 the Catholicke phrase that now it cannot relish in their mouthes But in the meane time let the Iesuite speake indifferently what fault we haue made that our Church must be condemned for no Church because it was sometime obscured and yet his be the Romane Catholicke Church though it be subiect to the very same inconueniences For though he say their Church is neuer thus obscured but in the times of Antichrist yet this granteth as much as we say that it may be hidden and then we reply that all those dayes of the Churches inuisibilitie were the dayes of Antichrist § 18. The second part to wit that Christs Church must as long as it is be alwayes visible I proue First because Christ our Sauiour ordained this his Church to be the light of the world according to these words Matth. 5. Vos est is lux mundi and to be a rule or meane by which all men at all times may come to an entire and infallible knowledge of the true faith as hath bene alreadie proued but how can it be the light of the world if it selfe be inuisible or how can it be a meane by which at all times the infallible truth in all points of faith should be made knowne to all sorts of men if it selfe at anie time could not be knowne of men Or if you
them and to no more the order is giuen Tell the Church Besides this speech is like that of d Cap. 2. v. â— Malachie The Priests lips shall preserue knowledge and the people shall seeke the law at his mouth whereas notwithstanding e Mat. 5.21 inde Ioh. 11.50 sometime they had no Priest to aske and f otherwhiles such as they had wanted knowledge and deliuered that which was not law But the meaning was that this order should be obserued for the peoples instruction to preserue them in obedience if they did not fall from it So to tell the Church is a rule prescribed to be vsed when the Church enioyeth her libertie and outward gouernement but when the externall state thereof and publicke entercourse of the faithfull with the same shal ceasse when the communion of the faithfull shall be in secret and all Ecclesiasticall order lie buried the altars forsaken the Church emptie then it bindeth not because the meanes faile Neither doth it imply any such perpetuall visiblenesse as the Iesuite would tie the Church to For it was a law that men should come to Ierusalem and worship there yet this implied not any perpetuall glorie to that citie it was also a law that euery male child should be circumcised the eight day and yet vpon necessitie it was omitted fortie yeares And the Papists confessing that sometimes none can discerne the Church but such as very wisely esteeme of things hereby grant that all men at all times cannot tell the Church specially if you adde another point f Ema Sa. not in Math. 18.17 Fr. Victor relect 2. parum ante finem that by the Church is meant the Pastors onely for they may be scattered or hidden that we cannot haue them ready to tel them euery time a brother trespasseth Lastly this commandement may be fulfilled by the faithfull among themselues in the same maner as I said before of confession For g Math. 18.20 where the true professors are there is the Church either all or a part and they so many as liue together see and know one another and can tell the Church though the world heare not their voice § 21. Fourthly it is certaine that once the Church was visible to wit when it first began in Ierusalem in the Apostles and Disciples of our Sauiour Christ and that companie which by their preaching were conuerted to the faith But there can no reason of difference be shewed why it should be visible then and not now The Answer 1 He might as well say it is certaine that once the Sunne was visible but there can no reason be giuen why it should not be so alwayes for as reasons may be giuen why the Sunne though sometime cleare yet sometime may be eclipsed or departed out of our horizon so may there as euident differences be yeelded why the Church afterward and the Church at Ierusalem were not alike visible h Esa 2.3 Mic. 4.2 First the Church of the new Testament was then to begin and therefore it was meete the Pastors and people thereof should appeare to the world Next persecutions were not then so grieuous as afterward they were Thirdly the apostacy foretold by Saint Paul was not then begun but ensued long after which Apostasie was the cloud that hid the Church And yet if another conceit of the Papists be true i Alexand. p 3. qu. vlt. nu 5. art 2. Panorm de elect electi poâ—c significasti Durand â—at l. 6. c. 72 nu 25. TurrecreÌ„ sum l. 3. c. 61. that about the time of Christs passion the true faith remained in none but the virgin Marie the Iesuites argument here wil fall and our Church at the worst hath alway bene as visible as then it was For as for this present time and age we thinke it k Hem fieri potuit vt tot Germani Angli Scoti Bohemi Vngari Dani Succi Gotthi Noâ—uegienses Prusli Lithuam Liuonij eò caecitatis peâ—uenerint Tho. Boz de Sign Eccl. l. 19 c. 1. pag. 606. as visible all ouer the world as the Church of Rome is And if the Iesuite thinke we hold otherwise he is deceiued § 22. Fiftly the onely reason and ground by which heretickes hold the Church to be inuisible is because they imagine the Church to consist onely of the elect or at least of the good But this is a false ground for it is euident that the Church militant consisteth of the good and bad as is signified by those parables wherein it is compared to a floore wherein are mixed wheate and chaffe Mat. 3. and to a net wherein are gathered all sorts of fishes good and bad Mat. 13. and to a mariage to which came good and bad Matth. 22. and to ten virgins whereof fiue were foolish and excluded from the celestiall mariage Mat. 25. This also is gathered out of S. Paule who 1. Cor. 5. commandeth them to expell an incestuous person out of the Church and therefore it doth not consist of those onely which be good The Answer 1 Here the Iesuite grosly bewrayeth either his ignorance or malice in that he saith this is the onely ground wherupon heretickes hold the inuisible Church because it consists of the elect onely For the question betweene vs now is about the inuisiblenesse not of the vniuersall Church but of the militant as he himselfe acknowledgeth And let him if he can for the credit of his word shew where any one of those whom he calleth heretickes maketh the mixture of good and badde in the Church militant the reason why it is sometime hidden from the world For our proper grounds are these a Luc. 18.8 â— Thes 2.3 Apoc 9.1 12.6 13 3.7 the Prophecies and b 1. Reg. 19.2 Reg. 2.2 ChroÌ„ 15.3 28.20 24.2 Reg. 21. examples of the Scripture the experience of times and euents shewing it the blindnesse of the world the nature and necessitie of the Church all which conuince it to be true that we say Whereas the mixture of euill men is so far from holding vs in the point that we confesse hypocrites may also in secret professe with true beleeuers and so be part of this inuisible Church Let him therefore recall his ouersight and forbeare these forgeries which tend to nothing but the stealing away of their affections that know not how things stand betweene vs. 2 Indeed another position of ours that saith the Catholicke Church is inuisible that is to say the Church mentioned in the creed euery member whereof is saued is inuisible and consisteth not of any externall assembly that we see is grounded on this that it containeth none but the elect but not as the Iesuit vntruly saith on this alone we haue other grouÌ„ds beside First because the triumphant Church is part of the Catholick which being in heauen no earthly eye seeth or knoweth Next no man knoweth Gods elect yet none but they are the verie Catholicke Church Thirdly all the persons and
Containing a discourse of Saint Austins about mens errors against the Scriptures 10. 15. Shewing that priuate and particular companies may sometime be assured of the truth against a pretended Catholick company 12. 16. Shewing how the Papists pretending at euery word the Catholick Church yet meane nothing thereby but the Popes determination 13. 17. Wherein it is shewed is what maner the Church is said to be inuisible and that the Papists say no lesse concerning this matter then we do 17. 18. Prouing the true faith or doctrine contained in the Scripture to be a good marke to know the Church by 24. 19. Touching the place of Saint Austin contra Epist Fundam cap. 5. and the matter which the Papists gather from it 28. 20. Concerning the proceeding of the Trent Councell in determining the matters of faith 31. 21. Shewing that Gods true Church in all ages hath now and then bin troubled with contentions as great as are now among vs. 33. 22. Obiecting the behauiour of Papists toward the diuine Scriptures thereby to shew their varying frō that which in former times the primitiue Church of Rome beleeued 35. 23. Wherein by fiue examples it is shewed that the moderne Church of Rome is varied in points of faith from that which it beleeued formerly and since the time also that it began to be the seate of Antichrist 35. 24. Touching the contentions among the learned Papists of the Church of Rome and how the Papists liue not in that vnitie that is pretended 35. 25. Whererein it is shewed that in the Primitiue Church the Popes determination was not thought an infallible truth neither did the Christians for the maintenance of vnitie submit themselues thereunto 36. 26. Shewing that the Papists themselues do not so constantly and vniformly submit themselues to the Popes iudgement nor beleeue his infallible authoritie as is pretended 36. 27. Shewing that the Primitiue Church acknowledged not the Popes supremacy 36. 28. Shewing that the Pope is not of infallible iudgement but may erre and fall into heresie as any other man may 36. 29. Declaring the Pope not to be Saint Peters successor 36. 30. Wherein it is shewed that the Papists are not agreed among themselues to this day how Peters supposed primacie is proued or what it containeth but they are altogether vncertaine in expounding the maine texts of Scripture whereupon they build it 36. 31. Containing many complaints made by the Papists themselues against their owne Church and people whereby it appeareth their liues are worse then can be said of the Protestants 38. 32. Touching fasting and how we differ from the Papists therein and whether the doctrine of our Church be against it as the Papists charge vs. 40. 33. Concerning Auricular confession or Shrift to a Priest shewing the needlesnesse thereof and how it is an occasion rather then a remedy of sin 40. 34. Concerning the necessitie or requisite condition of good works for our saluation shewing that the Protestants hold it 40. 35. Touching the merit of our works and what is to be holden thereof 40. 36. Answering those that accuse the Protestants for holding that no man can keepe Gods commaundements and shewing what is to be holden concerning that matter 40. 37. Whether the Protestants thinke whatsoeuer we do is sinne 40. 38. Against the distinction of sinne into Mortall and Veniall 40. 39. Touching the satisfaction that men are bound vnto for their sinnes 40. 40. Wherein the doctrine of Iustification by faith onely is expounded and defended 40. 41 Intreating of Predestination and Freewill as the Protestants hold them and shewing that their doctrine concerning these points doth neither make God the author of sinne nor leade men to be carelesse of there liues nor inferre any absolute necessity constraining vs that we cannot do otherwise then we do 40. 42. Againe touching Freewill wherein the doctrine of our Church is methodically propounded and in euery point compared with that which the Papists hold that the seuerall questions betweene them and vs and the maner how and where they rise may be seene distinctly set downe 40. 43. Prouing that Gods children without miracles or extraordinary reuelation may be and are infallibly assured that they haue grace and shall be saued 41. 44. Answering that which the Papists obiect touching the miracles of their Church and Saints therein 42. 45. Touching Monkes and religious orders holden among the Papists which they say we haue reiected and forsaken 42. 46. Naming certaine points of the Papists faith which directly tend to the maintenance of open sinne and liberty of life 43. 47. Of the authoritie of the ancient Fathers in matters of our faith and religion wherein it is shewed what we ascribe vnto them and how farforth we depend vpon them and the practise of our aduersaries in contemning cluding and refusing both them and their owne writers is plainely discouered 44. 48 Containing a briefe and direct answer to our aduersaries when they say we cannot assigne a visible company professing the same faith in euery point that we do euer since Christ till now without intterruption 45. 49. Obiecting eight points for example wherein the Church of Rome holdeth contrary to that which formerly was holden The conception of the virgine Mary Latin Seruice Reading the Scriptures Priests mariage Images Supremacy Communion in one kind Transubstantion 47. 50. Of the conuersion of the Indies to the Romane faith by the Iesuites 49. 51. Naming seuen points of the Popish religion with the time when and maner how they gate into the Church thereby to shew that there is sufficient record to detect the nouelty of the present Romane faith 50. 52. Shewing that the present religion of the Romane Church was obserued and resisted in all ages as it came in and increased naming withall the persons that made the resistance and the points wherein and the time when from fiftie yeares to fiftie throughout all ages since Christ compendiously obserued out of history for the satisfying of their error that so much conceit the antiquitie of Papistry and thinke it was neuer controlled til Luthers time 50. 53. Obiecting seuen things against the outward succession of Popes in the Sea of Rome Whereby the same is clearely demonstrated to haue bene interrupted and not to be any certaine or infallible succession 55. 54. Containing a briefe narration touching the life and death of Martin Luther with the incredible reports therof made by his aduersaries shewing how sundry Popes in the Church of Rome haue liued and died worse then he though it were granted all reports made of him were true 57 55. Shewing how vncertaine and contrary the Papists are among themselues touching the power of their Priesthood in remitting sins and concerning the first institution of Shrift where it began De Iudice fidei admonitio Catholica ad Lectorem PVrus ab impuro num differt sanguine sanguis Differt iudicium laudo Galene tuum Ritibus in sacris secernitur hoedus ab agno Vox tua
and by what workman euery peece was supplied til the old was wholy gone for if that could not be shewed then by the Iesuites reason it must be reputed for the very Argosme wherein Iason made his voyage without any alteration 5 But he saith it is not possible that so grosse heresie as we account Papistrie to be could arise and ouerwhelme the world without some resistance the Bishops and Pastors of the Church could not be so carelesse but they would note and resist it as the bringing in of any heathen or Iewish rite this day into the Church would be Whereto I answer that the Iesuite mistaketh himselfe grosly if he thinke his faith came in without resistance or imagine that we grant so much For it was gainsaid in the rising with Campians owne circumstances the Pastors of Gods Church opposed themselues the people lamented the writers mentioned it as I plainly shew in that which followeth And although the particular circumstances of Time Place and Persons appertaining to this resistance do not so euidently appeare to vs that now liue so far off from the change yet that is by reason the said change was not made in an instant all at once but came slily and slowly in and we that now liue haue not records of all that fell out so long ago We haue sufficient records of many things but not of all particulars the want whereof arising either from the scarsitie of writers in some ages or the changers tyrannie suppressing all that was written is the cause why the Iesuite may the boldlier insult Was there no historiographer that would mention such a matter It is one thing therefore to thinke there was no resistance at all and another to say the particular circumstances of the resistances made against euery seueral point are not now extant The former we vtterly denie the latter may be granted and of necessity must for these considerations namely that a change may haue bene in many points of the Romish faith though we be not able to yeeld the historie or record of euery particular circumstance that accompanied it for first we haue no meanes to know what hath bene done formerly but by histories and writings which we want or haue in that scarsitie that we may safely resolue our selues many things are wanting that were done Secondly we haue pregnant testimonie of the change of some things and as sufficient as we desire which is an vndoubted reason that all the rest was changed also forasmuch as it standeth all vpon one ground and one part thereof draweth another with it by necessarie consequence Thirdly it is agreed that all error whatsoeuer consisteth in changing frō the truth yet some there be the particular circumstances whereof are vnknowne As for example The Scribes and Pharises caught many things against the law and Christ reproued them yet the time when those corruptions first came in and the persons that deuised them are vnknowne to vs. b Alphons haer l. 4. verb. Christ haeres 4. In the Primitiue Church there were a kind of hereticks called Acephali because no man was found to be their head and maister Our aduersaries suppose the reiecting of Images to be a great heresie yet can they not tell when it began nor who first brought it in c Alphons haer l. 8. verb. imag Some thinke Felix Orgelitanus about the yeare 794. d Sand. de imag l. 1. c. vlt. Vazq adorat l. 2. disp 2. c. 1. Some say the Marcionites and Manichees long before e Niceph. l. 16. c. 27. Some Xenaias a Persian f Bell. de Imag. c. 6. Some thinke the Iewes in their Talmud were the first And our aduersaries cannot deny but themselues practise some things in their Church which were not vsed in ancient times and yet they cannot tell when they began nor who brought them in Touching pardons the case is cleare For Caietan g Tract de Indulg c. 1. saith There is no certaintie when they began And concerning the vse of Organs in Churches h Baron an 60. nu 37. Bella de Missa l. 2. c. 15. it is vnknowne when and by whom it came in saue that i Caiet 22. q 91. Greg. Val to 3. pa. 1427. Nauar. de hotis canon c. 16. the most iudicious Papists thinke that in the dayes of Thomas Aquinas which was 1300. yeares after Christ the Church had them not The which instances make plaine demonstration of that which I haue answered that there maybe a change when the circumstances of time place and persons are vnknowne to vs that liue after 6 The reason of this is yet further to be expounded For the Romish faith came into the Church as sicknesse doth into the body and ruine to a house which appeareth not by and by at the first but then when it is ripened for the children of God abiding still in the communion of the Romane Church which they did not by allowing the materiall corruptions in faith whereinto she fell but by embracing that truth and good which she yet retained and wanting meanes to reforme what was amisse the chāges which successiuely she made in the faith were not so easily discouered by reason there was yet no notable separation which is the onely and most visible resistance that can be made I say Gods children in all ages preserued themselues from consenting to the changes that fell out in the substance of faith but they did not alwayes abandon the communion of the Romane Church which made the change first because she changed not in an instant but by degrees and so consequently still held many good things wherewith they communicated Next because the tyranny of Rome suppressed them so that they could not manifest abroade to the world their mislike whereby it might come to vs but by force and violence were constrained to deuoure their owne sorow in the society of their aduersaries The want of which departure from the Church of Rome giueth great colour to her innouations When Arius and Nestorius and such like hereticks arose they violently and suddenly brake out of the Church and forsooke all communion and when Mahomet came from without he visibly assaulted the whole Church this their sudden violence and separation made them easily knowne to all the world but the Papacie breeding as a gangrene in the Church within and corrupting the pure doctrine but by little and little was not so easily marked and discerned that it could so solemnly be resisted and registred till it were ripened and Gods true Church mingled therewith had meanes to discouer it So we reade in k Mat. 13.25 the parable of our Sauiour how the tares were sowne among the wheate but who the man was that sew them and when did not appeare The partie whosoeuer he were did it when the labourers were asleepe and so went his way the tares he left behind him but himself was not seene and when the husbandman was told of it he
there is why they should disdaine vs supposing we had lesse learning then we haue Irenaeus f L. 2. c. 45. hath a saying which I commend vnto them when they thinke they haue so much vantage of learning against vs It is better and more profitable to be simple and of small knowledge and by loue to approach neare God then to thinke themselues to know much and to be of high experience and in the meane while to be found blasphemers against God 11 We know no cause therefore why we should not constantly and cheerfully go forward with our profession and confirme our selues daily more and more therin against all the premises and oppositions of the Romane Church whatsoeuer First we haue the Scripture in manifest places free from all ambiguitie on our side secondly we haue the principles of religion contained in the Lords praiers the Creed and the ten Commandements that directly leadeth to euery point of our faith Which is the true reason why the Church of Rome forbiddeth the reading and exercise of these things to the people lest they should see so much Thirdly we haue the ancient fathers in expresse termes in all things that they held constantly certainly with one consent I do not deny but our aduersaries in some smaller points as Purgatory praier for the dead may make shew of some particular opinions in the fathers but vpon triall it will fall out they held theÌ„ waueringly doubtfully that no certainty can be set downe touching their resolute iudgement Whereas in the principall points touching the Scriptures iustification merit of workes images and all the rest they write most clearely with vs. Fourthly and which may perswade any man not drunken with his owne preiudice we haue the mercies of God to pleade for vs whereby our Church hath bene miraculously vpholden when they threatned God defended vs when they practised and expected our vtter ruine God disappointed them when they wrought all maner of treasons yet God deliuered vs. Fiftly and this is our further assurance that we haue done nothing against the Church of Rome but innumerable people in all ages wished it long ago What ceremony what doctrine what custome what one parcell of their superstition haue we refused but the world long since complained of it yea the learnedst men that were groned vnder the very burthens that we haue haue shaken off g Evetusto quoâ—am libro refert Illyric catolog test tom 2. p. 805. It is written of Gerson the Chauncellor of Paris who liued about one hundred yeares before Luther that the Sorbonists expulsed him the Vniuersitie and in his old age depriued him of all his d gnitiesâ— because as it is like he misliked diuers errors in the Church of Rome What time he betooke himselfe to teaching of schoole wherein his manner was daily to cause all his schollers the little children to ioyne with him in this short praier My God my maker haue mercy vpon thy miserable seruant Gerson It should seeme by this that he tooke small comfort in those times when forsaking all confidence in the glory of his Church he would call for mercy at the hands of God rather in the company of a few poore childreÌ„ then in the societie of such as were reputed the Doctors of the world And it may easily be thought Gerson saw more then he either loued or liked because the moderne Papists reiect his iudgement h Resp Card. Bellar. ad resolut Io. Gerson confute his writings and i Fra. Victoria relect 4. p. 138. say This Doctor in all things was an enemie to the Popes authoritie and with his heresie infected many others His opinion touching this matter little different from schisme Yea at this day they see more errors then they will reforme O God saith k Naucler pag. 499. one of their Historiographers what will become of our age when our vices are grown to that that they haue scarce left vs any place with God for mercy What couetousnesse is therein Priests what lust what ambition what idlenes what pompe what ignorance both of theÌ„selues and of Christian doctrine how little religion and fained rather then true God haue mercy on vs. 12 And hâ—â—â— omitting the way that is by triall of arguments I offer certaine externall markes and sensible tokens whereby the falshood of the Romane Church may be discouered the most resolute Papist that liueth moued to misdoubt his owne religion for it is vnpossible that these things following should be found in the true Church or practised by men of the right faith The first is their enmitie with the sacred Scriptures the word of God whereof I haue spoken in the 22. Digression of this booke For the words l Esa 8.20 of the Prophet are cleare To the Law to the Testimony if they speake not according to that word it is because there is no light in them And one of their practises against it whereby they haue depriued it froÌ„ being the totall rule hath left theÌ„ vtterly voide of all meanes to secure their faith by and to find the truth For the Church the fathers the Councels the Pope which is all they can pretend are yeelded by themselues to be subiect to error And how can that giue them assurance of their faith which it selfe is not assured from error The second is the very face and outward state and gouernment of their Church cleane contrary to the first antiquitie How vnlike is their Pope to Peter their Cardinals to the Apostles their Prelates to the ancient Bishops in state in ambition in intermedling This is noted at large by many among themselues Zabarella Cusanus Marsilius Occham Duarenus How vnlike is their priuate Masse halfe Communion Latin Seruice Image worship to the ancient Seruice of the Church of God If it were the true Church no continuance of time could thus haue altered it age changeth the colour of a mans haire and the sound of his voice but not his complexion or the shape of his bodie The third is that THERE IS NO POINT OF OVR FAITH BVT MANY LEARNED IN THEIR OWNE CHVRCH HOLD IT WITH VS AND NO POINT OF PAPISTRIE THAT WE HAVE REIECTED BVT SOME OF THEMSELVES HAVE MISLIKED IT AS WELL AS WE And this may be demonstrated in all the questions that are betweene vs and they know it and for that cause haue purged and razed the principall bookes of the elder Papists and some of them they haue vtterly forbidden In the bookes of latter Catholickes also m Index librorum prohib p. 25. §. 3. saith the Index which were written since the yeare 1515. if that which needeth correcting can be amended by taking away or adding of a few things let the correctors see it be done but otherwise let it be wholly razed out The fourth is that the most points of Papistrie are directly and at the first sight absurd and against common sence and the law of nature For who can conceiue
decree how reconciled together 40. 45. Touching Freewil and the determination thâ—reof by Gods prouidence 40. 46 Predestination not for works foreseene 40. 49. God is not the author of sinne The Papists in this point go as far as the Protestants 40. 50. Againe touching Freewil at large shewing all the questions in that point 40. 52. inde Wherein true holinesse standeth 41. 1. How good works become an infallible signe of true holinesse 41. Touching the certaintie of grace and saluation the point explicated 41. 5. The miracles of the ancient Church do the Papists at this day no good 42. 1. The ancient Monks were not like the moderne 42. 3. Touching miracles obiected by the Papists an answer 42. 4. inde Incredible miracles and ridiculous reported 42. 8. The abuses of Monks and Monasteries detected 42. 10. A proofe that the Protestants doctrine excludeth libertie of the flesh 43. 2. The Roman doctrine is an occasion of their sinfull liues 43. 3. Some points of Papistry named that inuite men to libertie 43. 5. inde The Roman faith a meere deuice inuented to maintaine ambition and couetousnesse 43. 7. The vniuersalitie of the Protestants Church is shewed and expounded 44. 1. inde Touching the ancient Fathers their authoritie and vsage with vs and the Papists compared 44. 4. inde Who are Fathers with the Papists and who All the Fathers 44. 9. The Pope vshers the Fathers 44. 11. The Papists are notorious for contemning all the ancient writers exemplified 44. 12. inde The Protestants answer to them that bid them shew their Church in all ages 45. 1. inde The Papists haue not the Church Catholicke either in time or place 46. The Romane Church hath forsaken her ancient faith 47. inde Transubstantiation a late deuice 47. 8. 9. The present Romane Church hath conuerted no countries to the true faith 48. 1. inde The Indies knew the true faith afore the Papists came there 48. 3. Touching the conuersion of England by Austin the Monke 49. How the Roman Church hath conuerted the Indies Spanish massacres 49. 5. inde The question When did the faith faile in the Roman Church answered and disputed 50. 4. inde The time maner of the coming in of some points in Papistry 50. 8. inde The resistance made in former times against the Papacy with a catalogue 50 18. inde An answer to some things obiected against the former catalogue 50. 40. Papistry came in secretly and by little and little expounded 51. 2. 3. Images notoriously resisted when they came in 51. 5. The Papists worship stocks and stones as well as the Gentiles 51. 6. inde Touching adoration of the Sacrament 51. 9. The maner of Christs presence in the Sacrament explicated as we hold it 51. 10. The Papists haue written most spitefully against the honour of the blessed Sacrament 51. 11. Succession is in our Church and of what kind it is 52. 1. The callings of Luther and our Bishops iustified and declared 52. 5. The Fathers commending the succession of the Roman church in their time doth not helpe it now 53. The places produced out of them are answered 53. 5. Ephes 4.11 alledged to proue outward succession answered 54. 2. 3. Externall succession of persons in one place is neither onely in the Romane Church nor there at all 55. 2. Seuen things obiected against the succession of Popes to shew it hath bene grosly interrupted 55. 4. inde Touching the credit of Anastasius booke of the Popes liues 55. 7. It is not knowne who succeeded Peter 55. 5. The sea of Rome hath bene long voide 55. 6. A woman was Pope 55. 7. Hereticks haue bene Popes and intruders and boyes 55. 8. 9. Popes haue bin made and cast out again at the willl of famous whores 55. 9. Popes for wickednesse more then monstrous 55. 9. Many Popes at one time and the right Pope not knowne 55. 10. The Fathers commendation of the Romane Church expounded 56. Imputations layd vpon the Protestants as if they had forsaken the Church answered 57. 1 2. Luther defended touching his departure from the Pope his writings his life his mariage and his death 57. 3. inde Monsters of lies deuised against Luther 57. 7. Luther an honester man then any Pope in his time and many more 57. 9. Againe the calling of our Ministers is defended 58. Touching the power of a Priest in remitting sinne and the sacrament of Penance 58. 4. inde Miracles not concurring with all extraordinary calling 59. 1. Extraordinary callings distinguished 59. 2. Luther needed no miracles and why 59. 3. All men haue not bene in loue with Papistry 60. The obiection that Luther made to himselfe when he departed from the Pope 61. 1. The Protestants haue not forsaken the high-beaten-way of the Catholicke Church 61. 2. Touching the saluation of our ancestors vnder the Papacie 61. 4. The Scriptuies are surer tokens of the truth then the Popish miracles 62. A briefe exhortation of the Author to his countrimen 63. A Table of the Digressions contained in this Booke with their Titles The number set before signifieth the number of the Digression The number following signifieth the §. vnder which it standeth 1. PRouing that the Papists grounding the doctrine of faith on traditions make them equall to the written word 1. 2. Shewing the infolded faith of the Papists and confuting the same as not entire 2. 3. Wherein by the Scriptures Fathers and reason and the Papists owne confession it is shewed that the Scripture is the rule of faith 5. 4. Containing the very cause why the Papists disable the Scripture so from being the rule 5. 5. Wherein against the Iesuits conceit secretly implied in his first conclusion it is shewed that the Scriptures ought to be translated into the mother tong and so read indifferently by the lay people of all sorts 5. 6. Declaring how the assurance of our faith is not built on the Churches authoritie but on the illumination of Gods Spirit shining in the Scripture it selfe 6. 7. Wherein the Trent-vulgar-Latine and our English translation are briefly compared together 6. 8. Shewing that the Scriptures are not so obscure but that they plainly determine all appoints of faith 7. 9. Declaring that the Papists haue reason to hold the Scriptures be obscure because the articles of their religion be hardly or not at all to be found therein 7. 10. Assigning the true cause of mens errors in expounding the Scriptures 8. 11. Prouing that the Scripture it selfe hath that outward authoritie wherupon our faith is built and not the Church 8. 12. Wherein it is shewed that the Scripture proueth it self to be the very word of God and receiueth not authoritie from the Church 9. 13. Shewing against the Iesuits assumption that all substantiall points of our faith are sufficiently determined in the Scriptures and the reason why the Papist call so fast for the authoritie of the Church 9. 14.
this consent a man may infallibly know or else in vaine had g Act. 17.11 the Beraeans searched the Scriptures to see whether those things were so as Paul and Silas preached and in vaine did h Isa 8.20 the Prophet send the people to the law and to the testimonie if thereby one could not be secured But many perswade themselues they are taught by the spirit and yet are deceiued and this may be such a perswasion I answer i Greg. de Valē tom 3. disput theol disp 1. q. 1. punct 1. Stapl. princip doctr l. 8. c. 22. Triplic in admonit ad Whitak the Papists cannot denie but there is a heauenly light which assureth the children of God of it selfe and Saint Luke k Luc. 1.4 saith the writing of his Gospell was able to giue the certaintie of those things whereof Theophilus was instructed and l Col. 2.2 Saint Paul was exceeding carefull that the Laodiceans might haue the full assurance of vnderstanding to know the mysterie of God Now will the Iesuite denie all this assurance and call it but a perswasion which is concluded from the testimonie of the word Will he reiect the light of the Scripture and witnesse of the holy Ghost which worketh all things in all men m 1. Ioh. 5.10 Ioh. 7.17 that they may see it n 2. Cor. 4.4 whose eyes the God of this world hath not blinded But some are deceiued True o 2. Thess 2.11 such as haue strong delusions to beleeue lies p 2. Cor. 3.14 or a veile ouer their heart in reading but how followeth this some are deceiued therefore all But who without testimonie of miracle or some other infallible proofe dare arrogantly affirme that he onely is not deceiued I answer the triall maybe made without miracles which q His booke against the transt of the Scripture cap. 3. D. Standish a Papist saith were giuen but for a time as Austine in his dayes did witnesse saying he that would looke for a miracle then was a miracle to the world himselfe But without some other infallible proofe it cannot which proofe is the Scripture it selfe more infallible then either r Luc. 16.31 miracles or ſ 2. Pet. 1.19 visions and to rely vpon it is no arrogancie but obedience which some men doing against the Romish heresies not they onely saw the truth but more saw it with them whom t 1. Reg. 29.18 God reserued to himselfe in all countries though the Iesuite and his partakers were none of them 5 His third argument followeth No man teaching against the Catholick Church can assure others that he is taught of God vnles he haue the testimonie of miracles therefore no priuate man can be this infallible rule of faith I answer granting the conclusion that no priuate man is the rule of faith yet a priuate man as I haue distinguished teaching against the Romish church falsly termed Catholick may giue infallible assurance of his teaching without miracle as I haue said already here wil declare further by answering the Iesuits confused discourse more particularly 6 First he saith It is not Gods manner to teach men immediatly by himself but by meanes of his Church and Pastors Whereto I answer that neither do we say these priuate men of whom the question is were taught immediatly by inspiration but had their knowledge by meanes of the scripture truly taught in the Church according to the manner touched in u Rom. 10.17 Mal. 2.7 Eph. 4 12. the three texts alledged onely we say the Papacie was not this Church nor the Priests thereof those pastors and doctors whom God had put in his Church that from their lips the faith might be required but they were degenerate into rauening wolues and Antichristian heretickes and such these priuate men both Pastors and people proued them to be by the Scriptures as when the Pharises x Math 5.20 15.3 16.6 12. 23.13 had generally corrupted the law y Marc. 14.64 Ioh. 7.48 8.13 9.22 42. denying Iesus to be Christ z Ioh. 5.39 he reproued them by the Scriptures But suppose one thinke himselfe to be immediatly taught of God how should he giue assurance to others that he is so taught vnlesse he had miracles I answer assurance of immediate teaching he can giue none neither is it needfull for I know no particular man or Church of the Protestants that pretendeth immediate teaching but we all confesse and proue the Scriptures and Pastors of Christs true Church haue taught vs and hereof we dayly giue assurance to those that haue hearts to beleeue But how can priuate men be assured without miracles This is answered alreadie a Hom. 3. de Laz. Chrysostome saith God hath left vs the Scriptures more firme then any miracle And to them Austine reuoketh vs from miracles b De Vnit. eccl c. 16 Say not these things are so because such a one did such and such maruels but let them proue their Church by the canonicall bookes of the Scripture and by nothing else these are the demonstration of our cause these are our foundation these are our grounds whereupon we build But no man can giue assurance he teacheth true that teacheth men to forsake the Catholicke Church that is taught of God I answer the Iesuite saith true in this and c Mat. 28.20 Ioh 14.16 16.13 the texts alledged proue well that Christ abideth with this Catholicke Church for euer But he should haue remembred that these priuate men taught vs to forsake nothing but the Papacie prouing the same to be the kingdome of Antichrist And as for the Catholicke Church it consisteth in these men alone whom the Iesuite calleth priuate though he and his fellowes very foolishly haue arrogated the name to themselues For they are Catholickes which be of sound faith and good life saith d Qu. in Mat◠c. 11. Austine not they e Apoc. 2.2 which say they are Apostles and are not but are found liers or f vers 9. calling themselues Iewes are the synagogue of Satan 7 Therefore also the Iesuite may preach his text of vae prophetis Ezech. 13.3 to his Cleargie at home g Dist 40. Si Papa who are bound to the Popes spirit though he leade them to hell For to follow the Scripture and Gods spirit speaking publickly in the same is not to follow a mans owne spirit which the Prophet condemneth And whereas he concludeth that it is not sufficient to alledge words of Scripture because euery sectmaster yea the diuell alledgeth Scripture for his opinion I answer that neither do we thinke it enough to alledge words of Scripture but the Scripture truly applied which neither the diuell nor sectaries nor Papists can do But what a loose kind of reasoning is this the diuell alledgeth Scripture therefore the Scripture is no sufficient warrant For did not our Sauiour confute the diuell by only Scripture rightly vnderstood
all things is infallible which if it were granted yet were it too short to proue that therefore this Church were the rule of faith For euery infallible thing whose teaching is most true is not yet in the ordinance of God set apart to instruct vs. As the Angels of heauen for example are not the rule of our faith though a Fr. Suarez in Tho. to 1. disp 42. sect 1. they haue all the graces and glorie that a creature can haue and consequently the grace of infallibilitie Let this be noted in the first place 2 But yet the doctrine and teaching of the Church is not in all points infallible and most true neither meaning this doctrine not of the Scriptures but of the Churches ministery in propounding and following the same for in her ministery and manners she may and doth erre as shall appeare in my answer to the Iesuites reasons throughout this section But first the question must be made plaine For to say as he doth here and euery where in this question that the teaching of the vniuersall Catholick Church is infallible not subiect to error is an improper speech not incideÌ„t to the question because that Church comprehendeth all the triumphant Church in heauen which neither can be vsed neither do we charge it with error but confesse it to be b Ephes 5.27 glorious not hauing spot or wrinkle or any such thing All the question is of that part of the Catholick Church which dwelleth here on earth professing the name of Christ and liuing in warfare against the world and Satan called the Church militant Which so distinguished we hold to be subiect to error both in manners and doctrine And the Iesuite of necessitie by the vniuersall Church must vnderstand onely this part thereof because this part onely is apt to teach vs and hath ministerie in her hands or else he disputeth confusedly not distinguishing the termes of the question 3 This being noted now I come to the discourse which may all be concluded in this syllogisme that we may the better iudge of it That 1. vnto which Christ hath promised his owne presence and the presence of his spirit for euer to the worlds end 2. which hath commission from God to teach all nations 3. which all men are commaunded to heare in all things 4. they that heare it are warranted as if they heard Christ himselfe 5. they that heare it not are threatned as if they despised Christ himselfe that is free from error and the doctrine thereof in all things is infallible But such is the Church that concerning it Christ hath 1. promised 2. giuen commission 3. commanded 4. warranted and 5. threatned as is aforesaid Therefore the Church is free from error and the doctrine thereof in all things is infallible This is the summe of all this section whereto I answer by denying both propositions and the reason is for that they consist of Scripture falsly expounded and applyed and this my answer I set downe more particularly in that which followeth wherein I will examine euery text as it is alledged and make it plain that neuer a one of them proueth the conclusion 4 The first place is Mat. 28.20 Lo I am with you alway to the worlds end But I answer 1. this was a personall promise made onely to the Apostles and so cannot be extended to all the Church if we will speake of the words properly according to their immediate sence 2. To whomsoeuer it belongeth the meaning is c Iansen concord Eâ—ang cap. 149. that howsoeuer his bodily presence ceassed yet his prouidence should neuer faile to preserue comfort them in all their troubles and helpe them in all their actions and by degrees so enlighten them also that they should not perish in their ignorance but be led forward to more perfection This must needes be granted to be all that is meant First because Christ is not absent from his people euery time they fall into an error but remaineth with them still for all that either forgiuing it or reforming it Secondly this promise notwithstanding yet afterward d Gal 2.11 vide August de Baptism cont Donat. l. 2. c. 1. de agon Christian c. 30. Thom. in ep ad Gal. c. 3. lect 3. Peter one to whom the promise was made erred against the truth of the Gospell and was therefore by Paul rebuked and resisted to his face which thing could not haue fallen out if this promise had exempted the Church from all error Thirdly if it priuiledge the whole Church from error because it is made to it then consequently it priuiledgeth the particular Churches Pastors and beleeuers therein because it is made to them likewise but experience sheweth these latter may erre and therefore the meaning must needs be as I haue said Fourthly e See §. it is a ruled case among the Papists that the Pope may erre which could not be if these words of Christ meant the Church of Rome and that infallible iudgment which the Iesuite talketh of As for his glosse vpon the words that Christ in them should promise his continuall presence not for a while then nor for a while now but for euer it is altogether either idle and inept For he can name no Protestant that euer thought Christ was at any time absent but we all constantly beleeue he alway was is and shall be with his Church to the end 5 The second and third places are much like the first Iohn 14.16 I will pray the Father saith Christ and he shall giue you another comforter that he may abide with you for euer And Iohn 16.13 When he is come which is the Spirit of truth he will leade you into all truth But I answer two things First these words are properly extended to the Apostles promising f Act. 2.4 that which was performed immediatly after Christs ascention and ought not to be stretched any further Which being so they conclude somewhat for them but little for the Church because euerie grace belongeth not to the Church in all ages that was giuen the Apostles Secondly applying them to the Church also the meaning is that the holy Ghost should neuer forsake it but perseuere in teaching it all truh which is simply necessary to saue it according as the Church is able to learne it which he doth by meanes of the Scripture though not at all times alike perfectly but so as he endueth it with all holines and yet many sins are found in it This interpretation must needs be allowed for three causes first the Apostle saith of himselfe and the Church g 1. Cor. 13.9 Now we know but in part and prophesie in part Which were not true if these words of Christ had secured the Church in all things and in euery truth for the part cometh short of the whole Secondly this promise belongeth as well to one Apostle as another yea h 1. Ioh 2.20 to all the faithfull as wel as to the
that Moses taught wherein onely they might be followed and no further u Lib. 3 in Mat. cap. 23. Ferus saith that Christs commandement Obserue and do whatsoeuer they bid you bound them not to obserue all the decrees of the Pharises but so farre forth as they agreed with the law in like sort he said to the Apostles and their successors He that heareth you heareth me and he that despiseth you despiseth me but Matthew had set downe before that he charged them to preach the Gospell whereby it appeareth that the Apostles must be heard but so farre forth as they be Apostles that is as they do Christs message and teach the things which Christ commandeth but if they teach other things or contrary to Christ then are they no more Apostles but seducers and not to be heard Which exposition of Ferus a Papist excludeth you see the Iesuites collection for the infalliblenesse of all the Prelates doctrine and giueth the people libertie to examine it by the Gospell 9 Neither did any of the auncient Fathers vnderstand the place otherwise for Austine in x Ep. 165. ad Generos the place alledged onely affirmeth two things first that in the Church of Rome there had bene a continuall succession of Bishops from Peter to Anastasius who then liued which he saith because the Donatist in his epistle to Generosus had pretended a certaine succession of Bishops from Donatus the beginner of that sect and to satisfie him that if succession were to be stood vpon then there might a succession of better likelihood be brought against him Secondly he affirmeth that in all this Romane succession there had bene neuer a Donatist and though there had yet should the people of God incurre no danger thereby because Christ hath forewarned them of euill ouerseers that they follow their teaching and not their doing In all which discourse what one word is there whereby it may be gathered that Austine thought as the Iesuite doth that in all points we must do according to the doctrine of the Prelates or that the Church and Bishops of Rome can erre in nothing for the succession mentioned implieth no such matter for any thing that Austine saith And the other words Our Lord hath prouided for his Church by saying of euill Prelates Do what they say but not what they do can shew no other meaning in him then was in Christ and how Christ meant them I haue alreadie set downe the summe whereof is that no Christian man forsake the vnitie of the Church for the Pastors euill life but that still they heare them and follow them as long as they teach out of the chaire that is according to the doctrine of Moses and Peter from which the Romish Church is departed long ago So that those words Do what they teach being referred to the former they sit in Moses chaire must be expounded ioyntly with them Do what they teach out of the chaire which being granted how followeth it from hence that therefore the teachers can erre in nothing 10 The last place is Math. 18.17 If he refuse to heare the Church let him be vnto thee as a heathen and a publican Which words the Iesuite saith containe a threatning against such as do not in all things follow the Church y Bellarm. de verbo Dei l. 3. c. 5. Eman. Sa. Not. Mat. 18.17 meaning the Pastors of the Church Whereunto I answer two things first it followeth not that the Church cannot erre because we are bidden to heare it for so we are commaunded to z Rom. 13.1 obey magistrates and yet they may commaund things vnlawfull and a Act. 4.19 Dan. 3.18 6.10 in such a case they must not be obeyed It was a law to the Iewes that b Deut. 17.8 in matters of weight they should repaire to the Priest and do according to that which he should iudge without declining from it yet Vriah and Annas and Caiaphas were not of infallible iudgement Therefore the meaning is that we must obediently heare the Church and yeeld vnto it not simply in all things but conditionally as long as it speaketh things agreeable to the word of God as was answered to the former places Secondly the things properly which Christ here mentioneth and wherein he biddeth vs heare the Church are not determinations of faith but Church-censures and admonitions wherein it is cleare the true Church of Christ may sometime misse it and be admonished by her children notwithstanding this threatning of Christ as when c Ioh. 9.3 4. the Iewes excommunicated him that was borne blind and d Niceph. l. 12. c. 33. the East and West Churches censured one another about the keeping of Easter For e Hieron comment in Math. c. 16. ignorant Bishops and Elders sometimes take vp the seueritie of Pharises condemning the innocent and acquiting the guiltie Pope Innocent saith in f Decretal Greg. lib. 5. de sententia excom cap. 28. A nobis est saepe the Canon law Gods iudgement alway leaneth vpon the truth which neither deceiueth vs nor is deceiued it selfe But the Churches iudgement oftentimes followeth opinion which many times falleth out both to deceiue vs and to be deceiued it selfe Whereby it cometh to passe sometime that he is loosed in the Church who is bound with God and he loosed with God who is wrapt in the Churches censure Vpon which words g Super 5. de sententia excom à Nobis 2. Panormitane writing saith A generall Councell representing the whole Church may very well erre in excommunicating him that should not be excommunicate Whereby we see the Church may erre in her censures notwithstāding these words of Christ And if in censures then let the Iesuit yeeld a sound reason why not as wel in points of faith or else confesse the words of Christ to be meant as I haue said § 15. Worthily therefore doth S. Paul call this Church Columna firmamentum veritatis 1. Tim. 3. the pillar and ground of truth Also S. Austin in lib. contra Cresc giueth this generall aduice Quisquis falli metuit huius obscuritate quaestionis Ecclesiam de illa consulat quam sine vlla ambiguitate Scriptura sancta demonstrat Whosoeuer is afraid to be deceiued with the obscuritie of this question let him require the iudgement of the Church which without ambiguitie the holy Scripture doth demonstrate By which words he sheweth vs that the way not to be deceiued in an obscure question is to aske and follow the iudgement of the Church The Answer 1 There is no man denieth but it is a good way not to be deceiued in an obscure question to aske and follow the iudgement of the Church so it be the true Church which the Romane companie is not But yet neither is it the onely way as I haue touched alreadie nor if it be doth it hence follow that therefore it selfe is the rule and free from all blemish of error because the
Sunne which yeeldeth light to others that haue eyes to see And that Chrysostome thought the Church might sometime be inuisible appeareth by the 49. homily vpon Matthew where he saith That since the time that heresies haue inuaded the Church it can no way be knowne which is the true Church of Christ but by the Scriptures onely In this confusion it can no wayes else be knowne Austin saith There is no certaintie of vnitie but through the promises of God declared to his Church which being set vpon a hill cannot be hidde My brethren shall I shew you the Church with my finger is it not manifest what shall I say more but that they are blind which see not so great a hill which shut their eyes against a light set vpon a candlesticke In which words he speaketh against a conceit of the Donatists who boasted as the Papists now do that the Church was no where but among them affirming them to be blind that could not see it all ouer Affricke seeing it was at that time as plaine as a mountain or a candle lighted which we grant and against the Papists affirme of our owne Church at this day But his words implie not that this visible estate thereof so manifest in his time could no time be hid For cities built vpon a hil are not visible at euery time as in a great mist or in the night neither is the Sunne alway alike cleare or in one horizon neither could i 2. Reg. 6.16 the Aramites see the hill it selfe where the Prophet of God was and horses and chariots of fire round about him Therefore Austins words must be vnderstood of that particular time and not stretched to all times alike For he is blinde which at noone dayes cannot see the Sunne light but the Sun may set or be eclipsed and then they are not all blind that see it not as himselfe speaketh plainly in other places which being compared with these will giue vs their true meaning k Epist 48. ad Vincent The Church saith he shall be obscured sometimes and the cloudes of offences may shadow it l Ep. 80. ad Hesych it shall not appeare by reason of the vnmeasurable rage of vngodly persecutors m Enâ—rrat in Psal 10. It is like the Moone and may be hidde Yea n De Baptism contra Donat. lib. 6. c. 4. so obscured that the members thereof shall not know one another This he thought might befall the Church sometime whatsoeuer the light or greatnesse of it were when he wrote thus against the Donatists in which distresse she abideth not alwayes but findeth deliuerance againe when the time of her libertie is come as her self speaketh in the Prophet o Cap. 7. v. 8. Michaiah Reioyce not ô mine enimie that I am fallen for I shall rise again and though I sit in darknes yet the Lord will be my light § 24. Now it remaineth that we enquire how we should know which companie in particular of those diuerse sorts of men that visibly professe the faith of Christ is the true Church of which as hath bene said in all points we must learne the true faith To this question I answer First that it is not a good marke to know which is the true Church to say that is the true Church which teacheth the true faith The Answer 1 The question propounded in this place concerning the markes or notes of the Church is not onely exceeding profitable but euen necessary for all those that desire to be satisfied whether we or the Papists haue the right Church Therefore we for our parts answer it thus that the true doctrine of faith and lawfull vse of the sacraments are the proper and infallible markes whereby it must be iudged which is the true Church This the Iesuite misliketh and reasoneth against in the seuen next sections but marke his drift a Quis erit sinis contendeÌ„di nisi authorâ—tas Ecclesiae a iundè cognita taÌ„ quam iudex in doctrinae quaestionibus interponatur Greg. Valent. tom 3. p. 149. lit D. that the Romane Church being set at liberty from the triall of the Scriptures and her authoritie aduanced by other meanes she might be receiued as chiefe iudge in all questions of faith and doctrine This is the reach that Papists haue in denying the true faith and doctrine of the Scriptures to be a sufficient marke of the Church and I blame them not if they venter hard for it the bootie would recompence the charges if they could bring it in Digression 18. Prouing the true faith or doctrine contained in the Scriptures to be a good mark to know the true Church by 2 The which whiles the Iesuite denyeth me thinkes he dealeth exceeding rashly for first he should haue consulted with his fellowes to see whether they also had bene of his minde herein that so the vnitie so much commended in his discourse might appeare the better Which if he had done he should haue found some of his seniors against him who thinke true doctrine to be a note of the Church and a good note too The Diuines of Collen b Enchir. Christianae institut in Synod Col. p 22. §. Tertio haec nosce in a prouinciall Councell determined that no man denyeth but there ought to be sincere Euangelicall and Apostolicke doctrine in the Church and this is the chiefe note of the Church according to that of Christ My sheep heare my voyce and that in Saint Paul if any maÌ„ preach any other Gospel let him be accursed And c Antididagm cap. de Cathol Eccl. p. 34. in another booke they write The sacraments are certaine markes and signes whereby the Catholicke Church is discerned There are foure markes whereby the true Church is certainly known which are gathered out of the scripture The first is the wholesome doctrine of Christ according to the generall sence of Apostolicke and Catholicke tradition The next is the right and vniforme vse of the sacraments Villauincentius d De rat stud Theol. praefat saith It is confessed that the Church as being a thing visible is specially knowne and seene by the ministery of the word and the right dispensation of the sacraments and by the open confession of the faith and communion of charitie as it were by signes ingrauen and perpetually cleaning to it Hosius e Confess Petrico c. 20. p 26. saith There are which will haue no more notes of the Church but two viz. sincere doctrine and the right vse of the sacraments and it cannot be denyed but they are notes of the Church indeed Stapleton f Princip doct l. 1. c. 22. saith the preaching of the Gospell is the proper and a very cleare note of the Catholicke Church so it be done by lawfull ministers These men thinke and others more may be added to them the teaching of the true faith is not possible all the markes of the Church but none of them saith as the Iesuite
Conc. Trid. Sicid commen Innocen Gentil pag. 132. 135 158. c. the safe conduct that was giuen out for them as it was long afore it could be obtained so it had a clause that it should appertaine to none but such as would repent and returne to the bosome of the Romane Church which sheweth that it was a very ieast to mocke the world withall and the libertie granted by the same would haue proued no better to the Protestants then that which the Councell of Constance gaue Hus and Hierome o Vide Paralip ad hist Abb. Vrsperg pag. 396. Pogh Floren. ep ad Aretin who neuer went home againe but contrary to all truth and right were vnmercifully murthered by the Councell Now p Panorm extra de iureiurando Ego N. the law saith that he which hath securitie granted him to come hath also security to returne for he cometh not securely that may not safely returne againe 6 Secondly all the Bishops were sworne to vphold the Papacie that it may appeare they came prepared to do that they did The oath is set downe in the q Ego N. de iureiurand in decret Greg. 9. Decretals I N. Bishop from this day forward wil be faithful to S. Peter and to the holy Church of Rome and to my Lord the Pope and his successors The Papacie of the Romane Church and the rules of the holy fathers will I help defend and hold against all men so helpe me God and his holy Gospels Now r Papatâ—â— id est principatum taÌ„ in spiritualibus quam in teÌ„poralibus Dic regulas id est canones summorum Pontificum c. Panorm vbi supra this Papacie is a principalitie in things both temporall and spirituall and these rules are the Canons of the Pope and other Doctors allowed by the Church of Rome So that this Councell iudged before it heard nay they would not heare but came euery man prepared to condemne and therefore Å¿ Such as were Catharinus Dom. à Soto Cornelius Mus Salapusius Ciconia Fontidonius Baptista Fornerius and others whereof reade Innocent Gentill exameÌ„ at euery Sessions they had certaine sermons preached by Friers tending to nothing but railing against the Protestants and inciting the Councell against them Whereunto they added another policie by spreading t Innocen Gentill pag. 32. Boz de sign eccles lib. 18. cap. 3. reports of one Abdisu that should be Patriarke of the Assyrians and was come to Rome to acknowledge the Popes supremacie and religion with many admirable particulars all which newes was spred for the nonce to fill mens minds with a conceit and liking of that which they meant in the Councell to decree The which partialitie and cunning when the Princes of Europe saw u See Illyr Protest cont coÌ„cil Innocent Gentill pag. 28 31. 96. 98. 110. they sent their protestations against the Councell as vnsufficient to reforme religion namely the Emperor Charles the French King the Kings of England and Denmark the States of Heluetia and others 7 Thirdly in trying the controuersies they examined not by the Scriptures onely but by traditions x Sess 4. also which afore that time no man was bound to beleeue and that which was worse there did nothing passe till the Pope with his Consistory at home had scene it and whatsoeuer he fancied that was decreed for which purpose there went continuall posts betweene Trent and Rome and while the Doctors pro forma tantùm were disputing at Trent the Pope was ingrossing the Canons at Rome which being returned in packets were solemnly published in the Councel And thus they measured sometime with a wrong rule and sometime with no rule at all And though they had measured with the right rule yet they did it not rightly for that they applied not the doctrine to the rule but bent the rule to their owne doctrine turning the Scripture violently to serue their opinions For in the fourth Session they decreed that no man should giue any other exposition of Scripture then such as might agree with the doctrine of the Church of Rome Now that doctrine was the thing that should be examined and the Scripture was the rule that it should be examined by and therefore they wrested the rule to their opinions 8 So that if it were not lawfull to examine the teaching of the Church as the Iesuite holdeth yet this example of the Trent Councell may teach him that at least it is lawfull to trie whether the Church proceed aright in teaching as many Papists vpon experience of these dealings no doubt haue not bin afraid to examine things pretended to be already concluded by Councels else that Church is in a miserable plight that will yeeld vs no reason of her faith but her owne bare word and much doubteth her selfe that will suffer none to trie her teaching by so euen a rule as is the Scripture and all Papists her children are in worse case then y 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 vita Aristoph praefixa Scholiis he that was iudged to be the son of Philip of Aegina only because his mother said so for they must not onely beleeue God is their father because she telleth them so but they must take her word too that Christ is her husband contrary to a notorious suspition that hath long gone of her and would be better cleared then by her bare word z Nos iustitiam nostram ecclesiae sponsae nostrae nolentes negligere saith Boniface 8. de immunit eccle c. quoniam in sexto ibid. de elect c. vbi periculum § caeterumque condemned by Bernard epist 237. that she is the Popes concubine and hath had many children by him out of lawfull wedlocke § 32. The markes be especially those foure which are gathered out of Scripture and expresly set downe as properties of the Church in the Constantinopolitane Creed which is receiued commonly of all and inserted euen in the Protestants Communion booke Vna Sancta Catholica Apostolica One Holy Catholike Apostolike By all which if I had leisure I might shew at large how that the Romane Church that is to say that companie which communicateth and agreeth in profession of faith with the Church of Rome is the onely true Church and that the Protestants that is to say that company which from Luthers time hitherward haue opposed themselues against the Romane Church neither all nor anie particular sect of them can be the true Church for the Romane Church onely is truly One Holy Catholike and Apostolike whereas the Protestants either want all or at the least some of these properties The Answer 1 The Constantinopolitane Creed and the sacred Scripture teach these foure to be qualities abiding in the Church and certaine adiuncts belonging thereunto but not that they are the markes whereby to find it For we call that a Marke whereby the thing questioned is vndoubtedly brought to our knowledge which these foure in the question of the
faith The Answer 1 The Iesuite hauing immediatly before propounded the vnitie of his Romane Church affirming that therein onely the vnitie of faith and concord of the learned is to be found now proceedeth to proue it by shewing the meanes which they haue for the preuenting of discord which he thinketh so all-sufficient that it were impossible there should be any dissention among them The summe of that which he saith is briefly this They which acknowledge one chiefe Pastor to wit the Pope to whose definitiue sentence in all matters they submit themselues cannot possibly dissent But all Catholickes acknowledge this chiefe Pastor and submit themselues to his definitiue sentence Therefore how is it possible they should dissent The second proposition he assumeth as granted though indeed it be vntrue as I will shew the first he proueth thus They cannot dissent who submit themselues to him that hath authoritie and infallibilitie of iudgement But the Pope hath this authoritie and infallibilitie Therefore they which submit themselues to the Pope cannot dissent The second proposition he confirmeth thus We know that to S. Peter and his successors Christ promised the keyes and sayd vpon them as vpon a rocke he would build his Church praying for them that their faith should not faile and bidding them strengthen their brethren and feede his sheepe which importeth this authoritie in ruling and infallibilit it in iudging But the Pope is S. Peters successor The Pope therefore hath this authoritie and infallibilitie This being the summe of his discourse I answer first to that which he assumeth so confidently that all Catholicke men submit themselues to the Popes definitions acknowledging the same to be of infallible truth For whatsoeuer his authoritie and iudgement be yet the Catholickes do not so vniformly as the Iesuite pretendeth submit their opinions to him but contrariwise when occasion is offered they vtterly refuse both him and his definitions and this is so true that he which will denie it must be reputed ignorant of all sense and experience the which manifestly shew that not onely the Christian Catholicks of the Primitiue Church but the Popish Catholickes of the Romish Church this day themselues haue reiected his determinations and held opinion against him Digression 25. Wherein it is shewed that in the Primitiue Church the Popes determination was not thought an infallible truth neither did the Christians for the maintenance of vnitie submit themselues thereunto 2 For many Catholicke Bishops in those dayes dissenting from the Bishop of Rome and refusing his decrees were not thought therefore to breake any vnitie in the Church For Aeneas Syluius who was himselfe a Pope about seuen score yeares since a Epist 301. writeth that before the Councell of Nice euery man liued to himselfe and small respect was had to the Church of Rome b Sozom. l. 3. c. 8. The Bishops of the East withstood Iulius in the cause of Athanasius and charged him that he had done against the lawes of the Church c Theod l. 5. c. 23. Sozom l. 7. c. 11. Flauianus the Patriark of Antioch about his succeeding Meletius in that sea against Paulinus resisted foure Popes one after another when they would haue had him giue roome to Paulinus d Epi. ad Vrsac Valent. Germin apud Baron annal to 3. ann 357. nu 44. Liberius who was Pope in the yeare 360. confessed that Athanasius was separated from the communion of the Church of Rome Yea e Baron ibid. nu 43. 46. the Papists themselues acknowledge this Liberius condemned Athanasius and entred communion with the Arrians which sheweth against all exception that in those dayes the godly Christians did not thinke either that the Pope was the head of vnitie or that all were of the true Church that held communion with him for then the Arrians had bene good Catholickes and Athanasius with all that tooke part with him had bene hereticks which no man dareth say About the yeare 450. f Act. 16. the Councel of Chalcedon wherein were 630. Bishops withstood Leo then Pope of Rome in the question of his supremacie Concerning which matter g Concor Cathol l. 2. c. 20. pag 748. Cusanus a Cardinall beareth witnesse It is manifest saith he that Pope Leo would not in certaine points receiue the constitutions of the Chalcedon Councell specially that the Church of Constantinople should go before the Church of Alexandria but alwayes gainsaid them as some other Popes did after him and yet the decree of the Councell alwayes preuailed Which experience proueth that in those times the Bishops ouer all the world would as occasion serued refuse the Popes iudgement and yet they were counted good Catholickes for all that So likewise in the yeare 418. h Cap. 105. the sixt Councell of Carthage hauing in it 217. Bishops resisted three Popes one after another decreeing things contrary to the authoritie of the Church of Rome as i Contaré sum Concil magis illustr pag. 263. the Papists themselues expound the Councell whereof Cusanus k Vbi supra writeth thus The Councell of Affricke withstood Celestin in that he would do against the Councell of Nice and Celestin replied not that he might do it but alledged for himselfe the Councell though corrupted Which opposition made against the Pope is so apparent that many Papists indeed labour to excuse it but none denie it and l Sic vndique CarthagineÌ„ses patres constringuntur vt elabi nullo modo possint quis iam ferat crassissimae ignoâ—antiae illam vocem in tot tantis patribus vbi illa Augustini reliquorum prudentia Alan Cope dial pag 76. 77. the despitefull speeches of some Papists against S. Austine and the Bishops bewray that they discouer the same resistance made by the Councell against the Pope that I mention 3 Againe in the yeare 167. m Euseb hist l. 5. c. 23. inde Niceph. l. 4. c. 37. inde there arose a contention in the Church about the keeping of Easter whereby the Bishops of the East and West were deuided in which contention the Popes definitiue sentence was not receiued but refused without any offence against the vnitie of the Church For first Polycarpe coming to Anicetus that was Bishop of Rome in his time would not yeeld to him neither could Anicetus perswade Polycarpe to lay by his maner of obseruation n Euseb li. 5. c. 26. saith the story and yet both sides retained vnitie About thirtie yeares after the question was renewed o Cap. 25. and Victor the Bishop of Rome being earnest against the Easterne Bishops excommunicated them But this saith Eusebius pleased them not for they wrote vnto him reprouing him sharply and bitterly as namely Polycrates the bishop of Ephesus and Irenaeus the bishop of Lyons here in the West These had many on their side that stood against the Bishop of Rome and that which afterwards tooke vp the controuersie was not his
wist to haue a good pittance For vnto a poore order for to giue Is signe that a man is well yshriue For many a man is so hard of hart That he may not weepe though him smart Therefore in steed of weeping and of praiers Men more giue siluer to the poore Friers Now this answer being made to popish shrift for the remouing of the generall absolute and perpetuall necessitie thereof which the Papists vrge we are to adde concerning this point the doctrine of our Church which doth not denie or take away the free and godly vse of confession but teacheth that it is very profitable when it is discreetly done vpon iust occasion and a godly learned and trusty minister may be had for the searching of the wounds of sinfull soules and applying of fit counsell and comfort to distressed consciences and therfore our Church exhorteth when any cannot so wel by himselfe apply the means prescribed in the word to himselfe for the quieting of his conscience but requireth further counsell or comfort therein then to resort to some discreet and learned Minister of Gods word and to open his griefe that he may receiue such ghostly counsell aduice and comfort as his conscience may be relieued and that by the ministery of Gods word he may receiue comfort and the benefite of absolution to the quieting of his conscience and auoiding of all scruple and doubtfulnesse as it is in the second exhortation before the Communion For which purpose also a forme of absolution is prescribed in the visitation of the sicke to be vsed after speciall confession in sicknesse as well of mind as of bodie Our Lord Iesus Christ who hath left power to his Church to absolue all sinners which truly repent and beleeue in him c. Digression 34. Concerning the necessitie or requisite condition of good workes for our saluation shewing that the Protestants hold it 11 The third point of our doctrine charged as tending to libertie is the article of good works wherein the Iesuite accuseth vs two wayes first that we hold they are not necessarie to saluation next that we denie their merit This latter accusation we confesse but denie the former and say themselues know it to be a lie not onely by our preaching and writings wherein the learned of our Church vrge men to a godly life m Melancth corp doctrin Chr. in repetit cōfess Kemnit loc c. de operibus renat q. 6. Caluin Inst l. 3. c 16. §. 1. Polād thes de bonis operibus nu 14. defending the veritie of this proposition that good workes are necessarie to saluatiō but also by the cleare confessiō of their own side n Bellar. de iustificat l. 4. c. 1. who going about to fasten it vpō vs that we should hold against the necessitie of good works yet acknowledge it is rather a consequence of our doctrine and our secret meaning then our maner of speech or teaching Wherein they shew their desire of contention and vnconscionable misleading the people when they wil not suffer vs to expoūd our own doctrine nor giue vs leaue to declare our owne faith but o Math. 5.17 Rom. 3 31. as the Iewes did Christ and his Gospel slander our doctrine with that which themselues know is farre from it For how can they say we hold good workes not necessary when they see well enough and acknowledge our doctrine is that p Bell de Iustif l. 1. c. 12. § Itaque man is iustified by the grace of God not imputing our sinnes vnto vs which grace faith apprehendeth by beleeuing q Idem l. 3. c. 6. Stapl. de Iustif l. 9. c. 7. and this faith is liuing and worketh by charitie without which faith and true repentance no man can be saued so excluding not the necessitie but onely the merit of our workes Yea Bellarmine r Bellar. de Iustif l. 4. c. 1. § Ac primum Stapl de Iustif pag 334. Protestantes ipsi quamuis à formali nostra iustitia sanctificationē nouā obedientiam distinguant vt non sit pars eius essentialis adesse tamen cam certo infallibiliter volunt omnibus Dei filijs tanquam indiuidnam fidei iustificantis comitem propriam sinorum Dei notam saith expresly that Melancthon Brentius Kemnitius Caluin and Luther teach that good workes must be done and shew them to be necessary in some sort in that they affirme it is no true faith vnlesse it bring forth good workes and be accompanied with charity Wherein he hath truly reported that we teach and by reporting it shewed the wilfulnesse of his owne side in giuing it out against their owne knowledge that we denie the necessitie of a good life The point we denie is this that our owne righteousnesse is the thing that must answer the law of God or by way of merite procure acceptation with God to eternall life or make vs righteous in his presence For God of his iustice requireth that euery man afore he be saued or admitted into the state of his children to enioy his fauour and friendship bring a full satisfaction and righteousnesse or iustice of workes answerable to the law the which iustice say we is not the righteousnesse that we do but the perfect obedience of Christ imputed to vs and made ours by faith our owne workes being only the fruite of this faith and a requisite condition of our saluation as the way to walke in and no otherwise which way whosoeuer findeth not or hauing found it walketh not shall neuer be saued because God saueth none but by iustification and sanctification both the former is to acquit them from the condemnation of the law and it is by the bloud and obedience of Christ the latter is to conforme them to the Gospel and to go the way that leadeth to God and it is by our owne inherent holinesse Both these must therefore of necessitie be done the obedience of Christ to iustifie vs and our owne works to go the way whither our iustification calleth vs whereupon it followeth they neither iustifie nor satisfie nor merite before God nor answer the righteousnesse of his law and yet are absolutely necessary as the fruites of faith and markes of the way that leadeth to heauen And euen as the king freely bestowing a place in the Court vpon his subiect this his free gift bindeth him ouer to come to the Court and receiue it and hauing so done to discharge the place with all diligence and attendance and yet the subiect cannot say that either his going the way or attendance procured him the place but onely the kings free gift put him into it and if this mans friend sometime tell him you must go to the Court and do your attendance though when you haue done all you can your so doing is not worthy the kings fauour he hath shewed you he doth not thereby perswade him to neglect his iourney seruice but rather the contrarie that the
vniuersall doctrine of God of Angels of all other creatures specially of man of his first framing of his finall end and of all things pertaining to his nature of his fall by sinne of his reparation by grace of lawes prescribed vnto him of vertues which he ought to imbrace of vices which he ought to eschue of Christ our redeemer his incarnation life and passion and his coming to iudgement of the Sacraments and all other points that anie way pertaine to Christian religion The Answer 1 That the Iesuites Romane Church hath continually held the present faith it now professeth is false and confuted a Sect. 35. Digr 22. 23. alreadie And I wonder he might for shame say it For is any so mad as to beleeue his Popes supremacie his Latine seruice his reall presence hath alway bene visible from the beginning when there is not so much as any mention of them in antiquitie All that religion therfore which the Romane Church maintaineth against vs came in by peece-meale through the faction conueyance of certaine persons which in all ages corrupted the truth and increased the corruptions by degrees till at length they obtained the name of the Romane faith 2 Next whereas he saith it is proued Catholicke in place by this that it hath and alway had some in euery coast that communicate in profession with it we must distinguish the times For in the Primitiue Church and long after the Christian world indeed communicated with the faith professed in the Romane Church but then it was not the same it is now and so the present Church of Rome is not iustified by this communion but condemned rather Afterward the nations of the world ioyned in profession with it likewise as it degenerated and grew vp in corruption but marke how One part being the smaller and obscurer liued in the middest thereof and communicated with no more then was the truth excepting some small errors like b 1 Cor. 3.12 hay or stubble builded on the foundation and this is not properly any communion with the Papacie but with the true Church whereto the Papacie in the Church of Rome grew as a scab or as a disease Another part communicated with it in the errors also as they grew and embraced the Papacie c Apo. 17.2.4.15 13.14 18.9 2. Thess 2.11 but this was the seduced world which the whore of Babylon made drunke with the wine of her fornication and deceiued with strong delusions And yet this communion was not so great but that many famous Churches in the world refused it and departed from it as soone as the alteration into the faith it now holdeth began visibly to appeare as the Churches of Greece and Armenia for example which to this day would neuer communicate with it Maginus d Geogr. descr pag. 166. saith The Greekes long since departed from the Church of Rome and appointed themselues Patriarkes whom they acknowledge to be their heads and not onely the Greekes obey them but all the Prouinces also that follow the Greekes religion Circassia Walachia Bulgaria Moscouia Russia the more part of Pole Mingrelia Brosina Albania Illyricum part of Tartarie Seruia Croatia and all the Prouinces lying vpon the Euxin sea Whereby it is plaine that many famous countries and infinite people neuer allowed of the Romane faith but haue kept possession against it to this day though many reâ—eiued it as in times past many communicated with Arius and Mahomet and yet they are not proued Catholicke thereby 3 To the last point concerning the vniuersall doctrine taught in the Romane Church I answer that it is not the holding of certaine heads and articles of religion which maketh a Church Catholicke but the holding them truly according to the Scripture Which truth being remoued the more is holden the worse and lesse Catholick is the Church that holdeth them For as much therefore as the Romane Church by adding and detracting hath corrupted the vniuersall doctrine of Christian religion and especially the points mentioned by the Iesuite and patched thereunto innumerable abuses errors and superstitions to the certaine damnation of all that beleeue them it is not proued Catholicke by teaching all the doctrine of religion but manifestly Antichristian because it teacheth euery point vntruly § 47. Neither doth it at this day denie any one point of doctrine which in former times was vniuersally receiued for verity or the Catholicke Church The which if anie will take vpon him to denie let him shew and proue first what point of doctrine the Catholicke Romane Church doth deny or hold contrarie to that which by the Church hath bene vniuersally held as we can shew the Protestants do The Answer 1 The Iesuit needed not to haue bidden vs shew the points holden in his Church against that which the Church of Christ vniuersally held in former ages for we name and shew euery point of his faith wherein he dissenteth from vs and proue that it came in contrary to the doctrine of the Church through the conueyance of some therein being neuer vniuersally receiued of all but maintained and aduanced by the power and contention of some against the rest which either resisted it or receiued it doubtfully And I VNDERTAKE TO SHEW THIS IN ANIE QVESTION OF HIS RELIGION THAT HE WILL NAME VNTO ME BY PROVING THE SAME TO BE AGAINST THE SCRIPTVRE FIRST AND THEN CONTRARIE TO THE PRIMITIVE CHVRCH AND FINALLY TAVGHT BY THE SHOOL-MEN AND OTHERS IN THE ROMANE CHVRCH IT SELFE OTHERWISE THEN NOW THE IESVITES AND TRENT COVNCELL DELIVER IT This is enough to answer the present chalenge and I haue performed it in euery question handled in this booke and namely Digress 32. to 42. Digression 49. Obiecting eight points for example wherein the Church of Rome holdeth contrary to that which formerly was holden The conception of the virgin Marie Latine seruice Reading the Scriptures Priests mariage Images Supremacie Communion in one kind Transubstantiation 1 First touching the conception of the virgin Marie which all the ancient fathers beleeued to be in original sin and the elder Schoolmen vniuersally as I shewed vpon another occasion out of Dominicus a Part. 1. in Tho. q. 1. art 8. dub 5. Bannes and b De consecr d. 4 Firmissime nu 11. Turrecremata contrarie to c Sixt. 4. c. Cum prae excelsa Graue nimis in Extrau commun Concil Trid. sess 5. § Declarat tameÌ„ haec Galatin Arcan l. 3 pag. 490. the present beliefe of the Church of Rome 2 Next touching Latin seruice which is vsed in the Church of Rome against all antiquitie and the iudgement of many d 1. Cor. 14. The Apostle saith If an instrument of musicke make no distinction in the sound how shall it be knowne what is piped So likewise you except by the language you vtter words that haue signification how shall it be vnderstood what is spoken For you shall speake in the ayre I will pray and sing with the
Catholicke Church professeth that mortall men are to worship God not by images and Angels but by Christ the Lord. Epiphanius x L. 3. aduerâ—us haeret saith the virgin Mary was a virgin and honorable but not giuen for vs to worship but her selfe worshipped him that tooke flesh of her Finally many learned Papists are of our side in this point For y Peres de trad part 3. some condemne all diuine adoration giuen vnto them z Gers compend Theol. praecep 1. Holk in Sap. lect 157. b. Some condemne all worship whatsoeuer euen the bowing before them a Polyd. inuent l 6. c. 13. Some acknowledge that all the ancient fathers condeÌ„ned theÌ„ b Duran ration l. 1. c. 3. n. 4. Cathar tract de cult imag Polyd ibid. Some thinke their vse to be dangerous And they which haue gone furthest in defending them yet confesse d Can. 6. Nilus primat that they which teach they may be worshipped with diuine honour are constrained to vse such nice distinctions as neither themselues nor the people vnderstand and if they conceiue them yet they cannot but erre in doing it c Peres vbi supra Bell de imag c. 22. 6 Sixtly touching the supremacy For d Can. 6. Nilus primat the Councell of Nice appointed bounds and limits as well for the Popes iurisdiction as for other Bishops and the Councels e Act. 16. of Chalcedon and f Sext. Synod iâ— Tâ—ull can 36. Constantinople make the B. of Constantinople equall in all things that concerne authoritie and iurisdiction with the Bishop of Rome And g Cusan conce l. 2 c 12. Maâ—sil defen pac part 2. c. 18. Duaren de benefic l. 3. c. 2. some Papists do not deny but the Popes Primacy is much larger then it was in the Primitiue Church wherein they say the truth For the Councels of h Cap. 9. Chalcedon i Cap. 105. Affricke k Can. 22 Mileui and l Synod 8. can 26. Constantinople forbid all appeales to him from forren places yea that of Affricke reiected his claime and writ vnto him that he should forbeare the taking vpon him any such preheminence Lest say they the smokie pompe of the world be brought into Christs Church and Gregory who himselfe was Pope of Rome m Regist l. 6. ep 194. writeth that he dares confidently say he is the forerunner of Antichrist in his pride whosoeuer he be that calleth himselfe the vniuersall Bishop or desireth so to be called because he putteth himself before others For at that time n Harmenop epit sacr cano tit 7. de Synod the name of vniuersall was forbidden all the Patriarkes as it signified the chiefe aboue the rest And 1000. yeares after Christ it was thought o Glab Rodolf quem refert taxat Baro. an 996. n. 24. that although the Bishop of the Romane Church for the dignitie of the Apostolicke sea were more reuerenced then the rest yet it was not lawfull for him in any thing to go beyond the tenour of the Canons For as euery Bishop in his owne sea vniformly beareth the image of our Sauiour so generally it befitteth none busily to do any thing in anothers diocesse And when the Pope but 500. yeares since practised against the Emperour as now he doth against kings p Sigeb chron pag. 129. ann 1088. the stories noted it as nouelty and heresie that Priests should teach the people to yeeld no subiection to euill Princes and should absolue them from sinne and periury that practised against them whereas now q Decretal Greg. 9. de Maior obed c. Solitae Extrauag Commun c. Vnam sanctaÌ„ de maior obed the authoritie to depose and molest Princes and absolue subiects from their obedience is made one of the principall parts of the supremacy And touching his temporalties which he now possesseth the stories haue obserued how by fraud and treason he cousened secular Princes of them from time to time as occasion serued And so his whole Primacy gat in by steps into the Church and yet r Turrecrem tract 73. qu. è Tho. q. 5. they would make vs beleeue the deniall thereof were heresie 7 In the seuenth place I name the communion in one kind For the Church of Rome vseth and defendeth it contrary to Å¿ Cyrill catech mystag 5. Liturg Marc pag. 62. Constitur Clement pag. 145. graec ordo Rom. pag. 23. all antiquitie and the very forme of their owne Lyturgies For the most ancient Liturgies that they haue shew how the people receiued the wine as well as bread And Caietan t 3. part Thom. qu 80. art 12. q. 3. faith This custome indured long in the Church and that they had ministring cups for the nonce to serue the people with wine And I thinke no Papist will deny this And some u Ouand 4 p. 221. say It were better if this custome were renewed againe 8 Lastly I name transubstantiation For x Censur Colo. pag. 267. our aduersaries say The true Church hath alway taught that as soone as the Priest hath pronounced the words of consecration the former substance of bread wine is changed into the body blood of Christ so that no other substance remaines but only Christs body and blood the accidents by a supernaturall power abiding without a subiect The which how false it is appeareth by the word of God y Luc. 22.18 1. Cor. 10.16 11.26 calling it bread the fruit of the vine after the blessing and z Luc. â—2 20 saying of the cup in the same forme of words that is vsed of the bread This cup is the new Testament in my blood and teaching that without bread there can be no sacrament and that Christ had a body of the same nature that ours is which cannot be without his dimensions in many places at once And it is plaine that herein they haue altered the faith of the ancient fathers For Saint Austin a De Doctr. Christ l. 3. c. 16. saith These words vnlesse ye eate the flesh of the son of man and drinke his blood are a figure coÌ„manding vs to partake the passion of Christ and profitably to remember that his flesh was crucified for vs. Chrysostom b Ad Caesar Monach. saith The bread before it be sanctified we call bread but when the diuine grace sanctifieth it it is deliuered from the name of bread and is thought worthy the name of the Lords body though the nature of bread remaine still Gelasius a Bishop of Rome c De duabus nat Christi saith The bread and wine passe into the substance of the body and blood of Christ yet so as the nature of bread wine ceasseth not they are turned into the diuine substance yet the bread wine remain still in the property of their nature Theodoret saith d Dial. immuta Our Sauior in deliuering the sacrament called his body bread and
Church who seeth not this to be a retiring backe againe to the question when that is brought to maintaine the question which is the question it selfe § 51. Neither do I see what answer can with probabilitie be forged against this reason For to say that the errors of the Church of Rome crept in by little and litle and so were not espied for the littlenesse of the thing or for the negligence of the Pastors that liued in those dayes is refuted alreadie For first those matters which the Protestants call errors in the Romane Church be not so little matters but that lesse in the like kind are ordinarily recorded in stories Nay some of them in their conceits and consequently if men of old time had bene Protestants they would haue bene so also in their conceits as grosse superstition as was in paganisme it selfe namely to adore Christ as present in the Eucharist which Protestants hold Really to be but a bare peece of bread also their vse of Images which they account to be idolatrie and say verie ignorantly and maliciously that we adore stockes and stones as the painims did the which things could not haue crept in so by little and little but they must needs be espied Neither could the Pastors of anie time be so simple or ignorant so sleepie or negligent but they must needs haue seene and seeing must needs in some sort haue resisted as before I said For to imagine all the Pastors of anie one age at once to haue bene in such a deepe Lethargicall sleepe that they could not onely not perceiue when the enemie did ouersow the cockle secretly in the hearts of some but also when it grew to outward action and publike practise and so could not be but most apparent as the cockle secretly sowen when it grew and brought forth fruite did appeare and was well knowne and perceiued Matth. 13. I say to imagine all the Pastors to be so simple and sleepie not to marke it then or not to resist it is rather a dreame of a proud man in his sleepe who is apt to thinke all fooles besides himselfe then a iudiciall conceit of a waking man of anie vnderstanding who ought to thinke of things passed either according to the verity recorded in stories or when this faileth by consideration of the likelihood of that which he thinketh was done by men of that time with that which most men would now do in the like case Finally if this were so that the Church did vniuersally erre Neglexerit officium Spiritus sanctus as Tertullian speaketh lib. de praescript refuting the same cauill of heretickes the holy Ghost should haue neglected his office which is as we haue out of Scripture not to permit the vniuersall Church to fall into anie errour but to suggest all things that Christ said vnto it and to teach it all truth The Answer 1 The Iesuite hath said that if religion had altered in Rome since the Apostles time it would haue bene recorded in some story that such an alteration was But there is no mention in any story of any such alteration Therefore it is sure no such was at all In which argument I haue shewed both Propositions to be false in my answer to it in the whole former section But the Iesuite supposeth onely two things can be obiected against it either that the errors as they grew were small coming in by litle and litle and so were not espied for their smalnesse or else that the Pastors which should haue espied them were all asleep which he saith could not be Whereunto I answer 2 And first to his last exception For I grant the Pastors nor people neither were not all asleepe but waking and saw the corruptions at least when they came to publicke practise as I haue shewed by induction of al ages in the former section Onely we say the number both of Pastors and people decaied daily through the Popes tyranny that after eight hundred yeares were expired increased exceedingly and oppressed the true seruants of Christ Which oppression vsed against the Saints ioyned with his strong delusions and the multitude seduced thereby caused that the warning they gaue could not be heard and what was heard could not be credited and what was heard and credited could not the one halfe come to our eares that liue now so long after them It is one thing therfore to say the Pastors were asleepe and saw it not when the enemy first meditated and deuised the point of Papistry that was sowen and another to thinke they were all asleepe when it grew vp and shewed it selfe The former we grant the later we vtterly deny Againe it is one thing to say the world was asleepe when the Pastors gaue warning and another thing to hold the Pastors were all asleep that shold giue warning This later is but the Iesuites conceit for we neuer said it the former is the truth and he cannot disproue it Whence it followeth that still the holy Ghost performed his office and euermore led the Catholicke Church into all truth and gaue it warning of error and suggested the words of Christ vnto it but the Papacy was not that Church whose children had no eares to heare and receiue the warning 3 Next to the first exception I answer the Iesuite hath falsified our saying for we do not say the corruptions were not espied for the littlenesse of the things as if they had bene so small that they could not be seene for by that reason as himselfe well obserueth the worship of the sacrament and images should be no small matter but we affirme that these great corruptions and all the rest whatsoeuer came in first one after another not all at once And secondly were broached not in their full perfection at the first but by degrees as come at the first sight beareth no eare and plants in the first spring shew neither fruite nor blossome in which sence we may say the corne and fruite came in by little and little For who dreamt images should haue bene worshipped when they were first brought in for memory or who suspected the sacrament shold haue bene adored when they first vsed kneeling at the communion Therefore when we say the errors of the Romane Church came in by litle and litle this is our meaning and thus our words must be expounded Which is a sufficient reason why some things thus coming in were at the first the lesse excepted against when no great danger was misdoubted by their entrance 4 But if it were granted that some lesser alteration consisting in ceremonies and Church-canons came in vncontrolled or some points of doctrine hauing at the first no shew of euill yet were it not proued thereby that the godly then liuing allowing them were of another mind then we For if our selues had then liued and seene no more danger ensuing vpon them then they did we would possible haue said as little against them as they did Prayer for the
flesh of Christ § 52. Fourthly the Protestants Church is not Apostolike because they cannot deriue their pedegree lineally without interruption from the Apostles as the Romane Church can from S. Peter but are enforced to acknowledge some other as Luther or Caluin or some such from whom mediatly or immediatly they haue receiued by succession the Preachers of their faith Luther and Caluin themselues being not sent of anie to teach this new faith nor succeeding lawfully to anie Apostolike Bishop or Pastor but being as Optatus Mileuitanus said lib. 2. contra Parmen Victor the Donatist an hereticke was Filij sine patre discipuli sine magistro Children without a father scholers without a maister Or as S. Cyprian lib. 1. Epist writeth of Nouatus Nemini succâ—dentes à seipsis Episcopi ordinati sunt Succeeding to none were ordained Bishops of themselues The Answer 1 Our answer is that the succession required to make a Church Apostolicke must be defined by the doctrine and not by the place or persons that is to say they must be reputed the Apostles successors which beleeue the Apostles doctrine although they haue not this outward succession of Pastors visibly following one another in one place throughout all ages as the Iesuite saith it is in the Romane Church For Saint Paul a Ephes 2.20 telleth the Ephesians they are built vpon the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets in respect of their calling to the knowledge of the Gospel and yet they had not lineally as the Iesuite meaneth it descended from the Prophets And Nazianzene saith b Laud. Athan. Succession in godlinesse is properly to be accounted succession For he that holdeth the same doctrine is also partaker of the same succession as he that is against the doctrine must be reputed to be also out of the succession Which being granted the Iesuites discourse about succession is soone answered To the same effect speaketh his owne c D. 4. Non est facile Canon They are not the children of the Saints that sit in their places but which do their workes Yea the Iesuites confesse this For Posseuine d Not. verbi Dei pag. 328. ad interrog 11. writeth that the true Church is called Apostolicke not onely for the succession of Bishops from the Apostles but also for the consanguinitie of doctrine And Gregory of Valenza e Tom. 3. pag. 141. proprietas 4. telling why the Church is called Apostolicke in the Nicene Creed giueth onely three reasons First because it began in the Apostles next because by them it was spred all ouer the world thirdly because it still followeth their faith and authoritie Waldensis f Tom. 1. doctrinal l. 2. art 2. cap. 18. saith The Apostles filled the whole Church with wholsome doctrine and in that respect the whole Catholicke Church is also called Apostolicke By all which it is plaine that for the being of an Apostolicke Church it is sufficient if it hold the Apostles faith though it want the Iesuites succession mentioned 2 Whence it followeth that although it were granted the Romane Church could shew a perpetual succession of Prelates without interruption from S. Peter which the Iesuit saith may be shewed but g See digress I deny yet were it not thereby proued Apostolike vnlesse these Prelates had also retained S. Peters doctrine that the reader may see all other marks of the Church must be tried by the doctrine and that the Iesuits succession and vnitie and vniuersality proue nothing vnlesse the true faith concurre therewith 3 Whence it followeth again that it is no disaduantage to the Protestant Churches if holding the Apostles doctrine they want externall succession of place persons such as the Iesuite boasteth of because the Apostolicknesse of the Church is not to be defined by it but wheresoeuer the true faith contained in the Scriptures is professed and embraced there is the whole and full nature of an Apostolicke Church 4 And so I answer the Iesuites discourse in particular that we can deriue our faith from the Apostles and that without interruption in that to this day it was neuer interrupted though such as succeeded visibly in bishops thrones did not alway professe it it is sufficient that their malice could neuer extinguish it and the professors and teachers thereof liued in the Romane Church it selfe which beside all other testimonies we know by this that it is the faith of the Scriptures which cannot be extinguished but groweth in the middest of all her enemies 5 And touching Luther and Caluin I answer Touching the calling of Luther that whatsoeuer is said against them dependeth vpon another point which is the faith that they taught For if that were the truth theÌ„ no doubt they were sent of God to teach it we hearing them receiued it of them no otherwise then Gods faithful people are bound to receiue the Gospell of their Pastors And whereas he saith they succeeded no Apostolick Bishop neither had any calling to preach that new faith I answer that for the externall succession whereof I haue spoken we care not it is sufficient that in doctrine they succeeded the Apostles and Primitiue Churches and those faithfull witnesses which in all ages since embraced the same in persecution though they succeeded not in that open manner that was vsed afore heresie and persecution grew And albeit the Romane Church would not heare them yet had they a lawfull calling First inwardly from God who stirred them vp gaue them gifts directed them by his spirit and blessed their labor then outwardly in the Church of Rome it selfe where they were created Doctors of Diuinity and Pastors to teach the people as they were baptized by vertue whereof they might lawfully preach afterward that which by the Scriptures they found to be the truth and did lineally succeed the true Pastors of the Church that liued before them If it be obiected that hauing their calling in the Church of Rome it will follow thereupon that only the Church of Rome is the true Church this is easily answered by denying the consequence For the Church of God and the Papacie were mingled together and were both called by one name the church of Rome by reason that in diuers things that were good and indifferent they communicated So that euen in the Papacie many of the things of Gods Church remained as the Scripture Baptisme and these callings which the Pope and his Clergie occupying did as pirates that occupie another mans ship and his goods therein and therefore conferring baptisme and callings to diuers persons that afterwards forsooke the Pope the said persons notwithstanding rightly inherited them as the true Churches goods which the Papacie vsurped And whereas the Iesuite saith they were not sent to preach this new faith I answer him that this new faith as he styleth it is the true faith therfore euen that sending which they had bound them to preach it though at the first it reuealed it not
Paule in the foresaid place that those that come to it must not take the honor to themselues but must be called vnto it as Aaron was to wit visibly and by peculiar consecration and must come to it in this ordinarie maner which our Sauiour termed to enter in by the doore Ioh. 10. to wit by Christ who visibly sent his Apostles saying Euntes docete omnes gentes baptizantes eos c. Matth. vlt. and Ioh. 20. vsing a peculiar ceremonie Qui sufflauit in eos he breathed vpon them saying Accipite Spiritum sanctum quorum remiseritis peccata remittuntur eis quorum retinueritis retenta sunt and are not forgiuen them By which words visibly was giuen to the Apostles both power to absolue from sinnes and a vertuall commandement to the people to make confession to them of all their mortall sinne since without this confession they could not tell what to remit and when to retaine sinnes The which Apostles being thus visibly by our Sauiour called consecrated and sent did visibly by imposition of hands ordeine others their successors and these others from time to time without interruption vntill this present men who now are Priests and Pastors in the Catholicke Romane Church These therefore I say enter in by Christ the doore and therefore are true Pastors and whosoeuer entreth in anie other way our Sauiour in the same place hath told vs how to account of them where he saith Qui non intrat per ostium in ouile ouium sed ascendit aliunde fur est latro who cometh not to feed the sheepe but to steale kil and destroy them So that we haue not to expect any to be sent of God to teach and instruct vs in faith but such as come in this ordinary maner as it is certain Luther and Caluin did not come The Answer 1 In this place the Iesuite to shew we haue not the Church excepteth against our Pastors and particularly against Luther and Caluin as if they had no lawfull calling to preach as they did And indeed it is a certaine truth that all true Pastors in the Church of God taking vpon them to instruct his people must haue a calling thereunto and be sent of God as the texts alledged do well proue Heb. 5.4 2. Chron. 26.18 Mat. 28.19 Ioh. 10.1 and 20.22 And if anie man leape out of the Church forsaking that company wherein lawful succession vndoubtedly is and with the succession lawfull sending froÌ„ God he must be reputed a hireling that cometh to destroy For this is the touchstone whereby true teachers are discerned and the contrarie discouered And by this we know the Pastors of our Church against whom the Iesuite excepteth to be legitimate For the God of heauen sent them and when they came they leaped not out of the Church otherwise then the wheate doth out of the chaffe when it is winnowed neither did they teach anie thing that was new or contrarie to the Church but continued and reformed the ancient doctrine which the Papacie in the Church had corrupted And let the reader remember which I haue often answered in this booke that the Popish religion and abuses of all sorts in processe of time grew as a leprosie vpon the Church and as I may say incorporated themselues therewith by reason whereof things good euill were mingled together Gods word with mans traditions the true Sacraments with mans errors and the externall calling of Ministers with foule corruptions in which case Luther and our teachers renouncing the said errors traditions and corruptions and retaining the rest cannot be said to haue gone out of the Church but to remaine perfectly in it still because that which they left was not vniuocally of the church but only in conceit was reputed so In the Church of Rome knowne by that name and in no other in these Westerne parts were the true Scriptures Sacraments Callings and Successions euery part of true faith and necessarie doctrine but these things were not the Papacie against which we go the Papacie was and is that which ouer and besides was by degrees added to them And therefore our Pastors leapt not out of the Church which alwayes goeth with the truth but out of the Papacie and preaching by vertue of that externall mission which they receiued in the Papacie they had the vndoubted commission of Christ whereto they had right And euen as when a faire poole of water becometh in time corrupted weedes grow the mudde increaseth and frogs creepe into it the owner thereof cutteth a channell and leauing the corruption drawes the water to another place and so occupieth it without danger and the frogs remaining must not complaine the water is theirs because the pit wherein they remaine is it that first ingendred it no more may the Papacy accuse vs for going out of the church of Rome as long as we left nothing behind vs but the frogs and weedes and that which was the ancient water before they came we are whose growing vpon vs was the cause that we separated although they succeeded in the Church as the weeds and frogs did in the poole 2 The Iesuite obiecteth that God hath planted a Church to endure in all ages wherein he will haue a visible succession of teachers preserued from failing in the true faith therefore none are sent of God but such as come in this ordinarie maner called and succeeding visibly and with peculiar consecration which Christ termeth entring in by the doore The Antecedent whereof is false For though Gods ordinance be that he haue a Church and teachers therein in all ages succeeding one another and standing in the truth yet he hath made no law that this succession shall be visible or with peculiar consecration as the Iesuite meaneth them For by visible he vnderstandeth conspicuous at al times to all the world which is a foolish assertioÌ„ a § 17. And so forward to the 24. confuted in it owne place where he disputed it It is sufficient that the succession of the Pastors in the Church be visible to the children of the Church And by peculiar consecration b Dom. Bann he meaneth the Popish ceremonie of Orders which is a priuate inuention of the later times and the proper corruption that grew to the outward ordination and calling of Ministers which God appointed Let these false definitioâ—s be remoued and the succession and calling and consecration be expounded as God meant them when he said they should alway be in the Church and our Pastors haue them as I haue answered c §. 52. n. 5. §. 53. and so forward before Yea our verie aduersaries denie not but a man may be a lawfull Minister though a Bishop neuer consecrated him and whereas the common opinion in the Church of Rome is that a Bishop differeth not from a Priest in order but in iurisdiction onely hence it followeth vnauoidably that iure diuino a simple priest in some cases may ordaine because
thence haue giuen testimony to vs who remain behinde that they are safely arriued there you I say are vnwise that will leaue this way to aduenture the liues not of your bodies but of your soules in a path found out by your selues neuer tracked before In which whosoeuer haue gone yet God knoweth what is become of them since we neuer had letter or miracle or euident token or any word from them to assure vs that they passed safely that way I may account you most vnwise men that will aduenture such a pretious iewell as your soule is to be transported by such an vncertaine and most dangerous way I must needs think that since there is but one way and that the way of the Catholike Church is a sure and approued way you are very vnwise that leaue it The Answer 1 They are vnwise that leaue the way of the Catholicke Church they are no wiser but the very same that follow the way of the Romane Church the reason is because the Roman is not the Catholick Church And therfore we that haue left it and the waies thereof that we might trauell towards the heauenly Ierusalem reioyce in the goodnesse of God that hath called vs to this mercy and daily craue of his heauenly maiestie that he will continue vs therein to our liues end though Papists cal vs to follow them Whose miracles as a Digress 44. I haue shewed giue no testimony that any man in the Popish religion euer came to heauen The miracles of Christ and of his Apostles and of the Primitiue Church belong not to them but vs in that our faith is the same that theirs was that did them The rest contained in the Legends and Indian Newes which are all that Papists can properly challenge are the delusions of Satan and forgeries of men And so the diuell and the Frier playing the Carriers loded their packe-horse with such stuffe and because the Pope paied them well for the deuice they made silly Papists such as the Iesuite is beleeue they came from their friends in heauen This therefore is no sure way to finde the truth vnlesse it be certain that these miracles were sent indeed and then as certaine that they which sent them died in the present Popish religion 2 As for our selues we are not so destitute of letters and tokens as the Iesuite pretendeth sent vs not from men that are departed but from God that gaue them entertainment whose certificate to vs is b 2. Pet. 1 1◠more worth then all the miracles of the world because he sent it vs by his owne Sonne that best could tell who arriued in his fathers house And these letters are the Scriptures God our King c Hom. 39. saith Macarius hath sent the diuine Scriptures as it were letters vnto vs. And Saint Austin saith d Enarr Psal 90. conc 2. These are the letters which are come to vs frō that Citie whither like Pilgrims we are trauelling So that as long as by these Scriptures we can iustifie our faith we haue letters from heauen sufficient to assure vs that all which embrace and obey the faith we professe are safely arriued in the kingdome of heauen This is the reason why the Pope forbiddeth his people the reading of them lest thereby they should know so much and knowing it should forsake him and his lying miracles § 63. I must thinke that since the Catholicke Church is as I haue proued the light of the world and rule of faith the pillar and ground of the truth that you leauing it leaue the light and therefore walke in darkenesse forsaking the true faith and therefore are misled in the mist of incredulity into the wildernesse of misbeliefe Finally hauing lost the sure ground of truth fall into the ditch of many absurdities must needs be drowned in the pit of innumerable errors And erring thus from the way the veritie the life which is Christ residing according to his promise in the Catholicke Church must needs vnlesse you will returne to the secure way of the same Catholicke Church incurre your owne perdition death and endlesse damnation of body and soule from the which sweet Iesus deliuer vs all to the honour and perpetuall praise of his name Amen Laus Deo beatae virgini Mariae The Answer 1 The Church of Rome is not the Catholike Church but the seate of Antichrist and therfore what danger soeuer there be in forsaking the Catholicke yet there is none in refusing the Romane Church Nay t 2. Cor. 6.17 Apoc. 18.4 all such as will be saued must forsake it And they that will abide therein shall find by experience at the last that all the inconueniences which the Iesuite saith belong to such as leaue the Catholicke Church will fall vpon them And therefore blessed be God the Father of lights who hath restored among vs the publicke ministery of the Gospel for the calling of his people out of the damned errors of the Romane Sea into his owne Church And let the earth reioyce and euery child of God therein and giue him thankes who hath made the light of his Church to breake out when the tyranny of the Church of Rome had thought to haue smothered it in eternall darkenesse and with the innumerable errors that it bred to haue seduced misled and drowned it for euer wherby mankinde should haue incurred perdition death and endlesse damnation of body and soule And let my deare countrimen know among whom vnto whom I write these things and for whose sake I will expose my selfe to the vndiscreet fury of seducers and many seduced refusing no paines or dutie that may tend to the enlightning of their conscience and confirming of the vndoubted faith of Iesus Christ wherof I am called to be the meanest preacher that liueth among them LET THEM I SAY AND ALL THE PEOPLE OF OVR LAND WHOM THESE HAPPY DAIES HAVE RECLAIMED FROM THE CHVRCH OF ROME COVNT THIS THEIR CHIEFEST HAPPINES AND WE ARE IT AS THEIR CROWNE that God hath thus made them partakers of his Gospell when the other side euen vnder their eyes lie plunged in ignorance of mind error of faith and vilenesse of conuersation so horrible and prodigious that it needeth teares to bewaile it rather then a pen to report it In recompence wherof let them be CONSTANT AND FAITHFVLL to the end and continue in the things that they haue learned making no question but our faith which could bring so visible a reformation of manners into our countrey so certaine knowledge so vnspeakeable comfort into our minde which could bring the light of Gods owne word the maiesty of elder times the reuerent countenance of the first antiquitie and the perpetuall testimony of our aduersaries themselues for her iustification wil saue their soules if they will obey it For want of which obedience they may and shall perish eternally when the faith it selfe is in no fault And let them LABOVR WITH LOVE AND
LENITY TO REDVCE AGAINE THEIR SEDVCED NEIGHBOVRS bearing with their frowardnesse and praying instantly for their conuersion if at any time it may please God to release them of their errors and to giue them the knowledge of his truth by deliuering them from the Romane Emissaries which haue made them their wards that they might possesse them and prey vpon them And let them finally with faithfulnesse and instance pray God for the state wherein we liue so pitifully vexed with the discontent and fury of those that call themselues Catholickes who if they had any dram of religioÌ„ or conscience in them would not thus practise to make their owne deare countrey a theater of such tragedies as the world neuer saw before But our sinnes are the cause of these things and therefore let euery man eschuing his owne euill seeke that way to confirme himselfe and the Church wherein he liueth in the fauour of God that he may shew mercy and peace in our daies Amen FINIS An Alphabeticall Table of the seuerall matters and questions handled and disputed in this Booke The first number signifieth the section the second the number of the section Where the number is but one there the whole Section is meant A. ABbeyes See Monkes and Monasteries Accidents in the Sacrament where they inhere 35 21. how they haue power to nourish breed corrupt c. ibid. Adoration of the blessed Sacrament when it was brought in 51.9 absurdities about it ibid Alteration The Church of Rome is altered from that which it held in ancient times Digress 23. See Romane Church Anastasius his booke de Vitis Rom. Pontificum censured 55.7 Antiquitie of the Protestants doctrine demonstrated 44.1 Apocrypha not canonicall Scripture by the Papists owne confession 35 20. Appeales to Rome forbidden 36.27 Apostolicke How the Church is Apostolicke 52.1 Arnulfus his speech of the Pope 50.28 Auricular confession iustly reiected by the Protestants 40.6 The primitiue Church vsed it not ibid. It was the occasion and meanes of contriuing the horriblest sins that were 40.9 The saying of Chaucer touching it ibid Not agreed vpon by the Papists touching the time when it was instituted 35.20 and 40.6 and 58.7 whether it be simplie needfull 40.7.8 Austine the monke conuerted not England 49. Author of sinne God is not the Author of sinne 40.50 How God willeth sinne ibid. Touching this point the Papists haue belyed vs and say themselues as much as we do ibid. B. BErengatius 50.30 Bishops Lay men somtime made Bishops 5.11 The Bishops oath made to the Pope 31.6 Titular Bishops at the Councell of Trent 31.5 Bookes The practise of Papists in purging of bookes 35.18 Boy Pope of Rome 55.7 C. CAlling of the Protestant Ministers how demonstrated 52.5 It is necessarie that Pastors haue a calling 58.1 What calling the Protestants Pastors had ib. They need no miracles to confirme it and why 59. Canonizing See Saints Catholicke The Romish Church not Catholicke in place 46.2 nor in doctrine and time 46.3 Centuries how they haue taken exception against the Fathers 44.3 Certaintie of saluation See Saluation Church Our faith is not lastly resolued into the authoritie of the Church 6.9 How the teaching of the Church is called the rule 13.1 By the Church the Papists meane the Pope Digress 16. Why the Papists deuolue all power so to the Church Digress 16. How the Church is said to erre 14.2 and 15.6 25.2 The Church militant may erre 14.2 inde 15.6 The Church is the subordinate meanes to teach men and how 18.5 27.1 Church visible The true state of the question betweene the Papists and vs touching the visiblenesse of the Church 17.1 and Digress 17. 22. The Papists confesse in effect as much touching the Churches being sometime inuisible as we do Digress 17. The Church is not alway visible 18. The Arguments against this answered from § 18. to 24. The Papists say the Church when Christ suffered was in the virgine Marie alone 17.3 The Protestants Church hath alway beene Digress 48. Markes of the Church the Sacraments and doctrine of the Scripture are the right markes of the Church 24.1 and Digress 18. The Arguments against this are answered from 26. to 32. How the teaching and doctrine of the Church may be examined 30. The markes of the Church assigned by the Papists are not sufficient 32. How the Church mooued Saint Austin to beleeue the Gospell Digress 19. Change of the ancient Romane faith See Alteration and Romane Church Clergie The vilenesse of the Popish Clergie noted 38.5 How the Papists excuse it 38.7 Communion See Sacrament Commandements of God See Law Congruitie See Merit of congruity Conception of the virgin Mary without sinne a new doctrine 47.2 Consultation not debarred though man haue no freewill 40.48 Conuersion of countries by the Romane Church how it was 49.4 Contention What the contentions are wherewith our Churches can truly be charged 33.2 The Church was neuer free from al coÌ„tention Digress 21. Grieuous contentions in the Primitiue Church ibid. Discourse touching the contentions in the Romane Church Digress 24. They say they contend not in dogmaticall points answered 35.19 Councels aboue the Pope 36.28.30 the Pope not president in the ancient Councels 36.29 They may erre 15.6 44 6. They were called in ancient times by the Emperour or ciuill Magistrate 36.28 D. DEcree of God inclineth and ordereth mans will 40.47 Descention of Christs soule into hell denied by Papists 35. â—0 Doctrine of the Romane Church See Papistrie E. EAster Contention in the primitiue Church about the keeping of it 33.4 36.3 Election is not for works foreseene 40.49 how a man may know if he be elected 41.7 England not first conuerted by Austin the monke 49 nor by the Church of Rome ibid. Erre The Church may erre how 14.2 15.6 25.2 the Pope may erre euen judicially and be an hereticke 55.8 and Digress 28. Councels may erre 15.6 44.6 and so haue the Fathers 44.5 Eucharist How Christ is present therein explicated 51.10 Vile speeches of the Papists touching it 51.11 Euerard the Bishop of Salisborow his speech of the Pope 50.33 Examin The teaching of the Church and all men to be examined â—0 F FAith must be builded on the scripture 1.1 Papists build their faith on Tradition 1.3 It must be explicite 2.1 What infolded faith is 2.2 in marg x. pag. 6. num 6. Disputing in matters of faith forbidden by the Papists 2.4 The Colliars faith what 2.6 The last resolution of our faith is into the authoritie of the Scriptures 5.5 And not of the Church Digress 6. 11. Faith how a marke of the Church 25 1. See Church Faith onely iustifieth expounded and defended Digress 40. Iustifying faith described 40.39 A man may know if he haue faith 41.3 Faith of the ancient Roman Church how it began to faile 50 4. How the moderne Romane faith grew in the Church 58.1 Fasting Digress 32. The Protestants maintaine fasting ibid. The
teach him the faith of Christ and this the Apostle saith the Scriptures are able to do By which word Able the other word Profitable must be expounded For the Apostle to manifest their abilitie produceth their profitablenesse which were no good argument if their profitablenesse were not complete Besides it cannot be denyed but all sufficient things are profitable and therefore hence it followeth by the rule of conuersion that therefore some profitable things are sufficient And so may the scripture be sufficient 3 Secondly he answereth They be profitable and sufficient because they commend vnto vs the Churches authoritie which is sufficient But this is a shift For 1. then they are not sâ—fficient in that they coÌ„mend no such authoritie to vs. 2. If this be a good answer theÌ„ so many books of the Bible be superfluous For this one place or b Hold the traditions the fifteenth verse of the second chapter of the second Epistle to the Thessalonians for example were sufficient because according to the Iesuites exposition it commendeth to vs the authoritie of the Church which is able to instruct vs. 3. The text is euident that the profitablenesse thereof standeth in teaching reprouing correcting and instructing now if it stand in this wholly then the Iesuits conceit is excluded if but in part then let him shew what we need more for our saluation then doctrine reproofe correction and instruction 4. There was neuer any Papist in the world that durst alledge this text for the authoritie of the Church and yet granting the Iesuites exposition it should proue it inuincibly 5. The Church it selfe whereunto he saith the Scripture sendeth vs for our sufficient instruction receiueth her doctrine out of the Scriptures The Church saith c Tract 3. in 1. epist Ioh. Austin is our mother her brests are the two testaments of the Scripture whence she giueth her children milke Therfore they containe a sufficient doctrine because the Church giueth her children no other 6. Yea the Apostle saith they are able to make the man of God perfect that is the Pastor himselfe the Pope and Councell and all Now the Iesuite will not say they make these perfect by sending them to the Church because themselues are the Church yea the head and mouth of it 7. Finally it were intollerable folly to say that man teacheth me all good learning that I might be absolute and perfect yea maketh me wise to knowledge which onely as I go sheweth me the schoole where I learne these things yet the speech were as proper as the Apostles in this place supposing the Iesuites exposition to be true 4 The fathers and certaine Papists also the truth constraining them expound the place otherwise and say as we do d Hom. 9. Chrysostome writing on this place saith If any thing be needfull for vs to learne or to be ignorant of there in the Scripture we may haue it and he addeth that in these words Paul telleth Timothy Thou hast the Scriptures to teach thee in steed of me if thou desire to know any thing there thou maist learne it Which he could not haue said if he had not thought Timothy might learne as much out of the Scripture as Paul could teach him e De ration stud theolog lib. 1. cap. 3. Villavincentius a Papist confesseth The Scriptures and they alone are able to teach vs to saluation as the Apostle in the third chapter of his second Epistle to Timothy affirmeth saying all Scripture is inspired of God c. In which words the Apostle comprehendeth all things that are needfull to the saluation of man f Sum part 3. tit 18. c. 3. §. 3. Antoninus the Archbishop of Florence saith God hath spoken but once and that in the holy Scripture so fully to all doubts and cases and to all good workes that he needeth speake no more g Comment in 2. Tim. c. 3 in v. 15.16 Espencaeus writeth That if any thing be needfull either to be knowne or done the Scriptures teach the truth reproue the false reclaime from euill perswade to good Neither yet do they make a man good in some sort but perfect yea they can teach a man to saluation and h Sufficienter doctum reddere make him learned sufficiently § 12. The second conclusion is that no mans naturall wit and learning neither any companie of men neuer so learned onely as they are learned men not infallibly assisted by the holy Spirit can either by interpreting Scripture or otherwise be this infallible rule of Faith and consequently thoâ—e that for matters of faith rely either vpon their owne interpretation of Scripture or vpon the interpretation of other learned not assisted infallibly by the holy Ghost cannot haue an infallible faith This I proue Because all this wit and learning is humane naturall and fallible and therefore cannot be a rule or foundation whereupon to build a diuine supernaturall and infallible faith The third conclusion that no priuate man who perswadeth him selfe to be especially instructed by the Spirit can be this infallible rule of faith at least so farre forth as he teacheth or beleeueth contrarie to the receiued doctrine of the catholike Church this I proue first because S. Paul Gal. 1. saith Si quis vobis euangelizauerit praeter id quod accepistis anathema sit Pronouncing generally that whosoeuer teacheth contrarie to the receiued doctrine of the catholike Church should be held anathematized or accursed Secondly I proue the same because the rule of faith must be infallible plainly knowne and vniuersall as before hath bene proued But this priuate spirit is not such For neither the partie himselfe and much lesse any other can be infallibly sure that he in particular is taught by the holy Ghost For neither is there anie promise in Scripture to assure that he in particular is thus taught by the holy Ghost neither is his particular perswasion be it neuer so seeming strong able to giue infallible assurance thereof since diuerse now adayes perswade theÌ„selues to be thus taught by the Spirit and yet one of them teaching contrary to another and therefore some in these their perswasions must needs be deceiued And therefore who without testimonie of true miracle or some other infallible proofe dare arrogantly affirme that he onely is not deceiued since others that perswade themselues in the same maner that he doth are in this their perswasion sometime deceiued Moreouer suppose one assure himselfe to be taught by Gods Spirit immediatly in all things what is the true faith as it is not the maner of Almightie God to teach men immediatly by himselfe but rather as the Scripture telleth vs Fides ex auditu Rom. 10. and it is to be required ex ore sacerdotis and must be learned of Pastors and Doctors whom God hath put in his Church vt non circumferamur omni vento doctrinae But suppose I say one in priuate thinke himselfe to be immediatly taught of God how should he
without testimonie of miracle giue assurance to others that he is thus taught especially in such sort to make them forsake the teaching of the catholike Church which by plaine proofes and testimonies of Scripture they do know to be taught of God Nay they ought not in anie sort to beleeue him but rather to esteeme him as one of those of whom it is said Ezech. 13. Vae Prophetis insipientibus qui sequuntur spiritum suum nihil vident dicunt ait Dominus cum ego non sum locutus Neither is it sufficient that these men alledge words of Scripture for that which they say because euery sect-maister alledgeth Scripture for his opinion yea the diuell himselfe for his purpose bringeth words of Scripture Math. 4. The Answer 1 These two conclusions might easily be granted without further examinatiō if the Iesuit had not a further reach in them thē the words pretend For what Protestant thinketh that any priuate mā or any company of men how learned soeuer or any mans naturall wit and learning is the rule of faith which honour we giue to the spirit of God in the Scriptures only But the Iesuit aimeth at those which in cōparison of the rest of the world being but priuate men particular Churches haue examined refused the Romane faith as Wicklieffe Hus Luther and the Churches of England Scotland and Germany haue done that so hauing in his former conclusion pluckt the Scriptures from you he might also in these two bereaue you of such faithfull Pastors as God hath stirred vp from time to time to instruct you and when he hath done in his last conclusion obtrude vpon you his Papall consistorie If he meant Priuate men wits learning and companies as they are opposed to diuine and spirituall he said well for no such priuate men wits learning or companies may be heard against the present doctrine and this is well proued in the Iesuits discourse but vsing it in that sence as it is opposed to common and vsuall a Priuatum accipio vt opponitur communi spiritui Mart. Peres de Tradit part 2 assert 4. pag. 48. which the Papists alway do his conclusions are vntrue viz. that nothing may be receiued which priuate men or particular companies teach against that which is surmized to be the Catholicke Church For in matters of religion it maketh no matter whether the teachers be many or few publicke or priuate persons as long as they teach the faith and expound the Scriptures truly For a true exposition is publicke though the companie that giue it be priuate and a false exposition is priuate though the Church that vrge it be neuer so publick yea though it came from a generall Councell And so this is to be holden concerning priuate men and companies that they may sometime be infallibly assured of the truth against a publicke multitude as the Romane Church for example and hauing the Scripture for their foundation may teach and beleeue against it in which case though their persons and wit and naturall learning be not the rule yet as long as they follow the Scripture which is the rule we are bound to heare them This being all that we hold and that which the Iesuite in these conclusions girdeth at now I come to examine his arguments against it 2 First he saith all mens wit and learning is humane natural and fallible therfore no mans wit or learning can be the rule which must sustaine our faith diuine supernaturall and infallible Wherto I answer granting the whole argument for we say not any mans learning is the rule or any companie of men the foundation of our faith but the contrary as I haue said onely we hold they may be so assisted by the holy Ghost that they may interprete the Scriptures truly and infallibly against a company as big as the Romane Church And this is a full answer to the second conclusion 3 Next in his third conclusion he saith No priuate man can be this rule at least when he teacheth contrary to the receiued doctrine of the Catholicke Church because Saint Paul saith If any preach any other Gospell then then which we haue preached vnto you let him be accursed This text is b Rhem. vpon Gal. 1.8 commonly vrged against Luther and Caluin for preaching otherwise then the Romish Church beleeueth whereby you may see what the Iesuite driueth at in these two conclusions But I answer though this text proue that no priuate man is the rule of faith and that no teaching may be receiued against the Scriptures yet there is nothing in it against such as resist a false Church though they be men neuer so priuate For Saint Paul speaketh of the doctrine which he had taught not which euery Church calling it selfe Catholicke may possible hold and of it he saith Let him be accursed that preacheth otherwise Now c Phil. 3.1 Iren. l. 3. ca. 1. Niceph. Callist l. 2. c. 34. all that the Apostle preached is written in the Scriptures and so he accurseth none but such as teach against them forbidding all men to preach against the Churches doctrine consenting with the word But when any thing deflecteth from that it may and must be excepted against euen by priuate men else this very text accurseth them for consenting to it Thus d Contra lit Petiliā Donat. l. 3. c. 6. de Vnitate Eccles cap. 11. Austin expoundeth the place If we or an Angell from heauen declare vnto you either concerning Christ or his Church or any other matter belonging to our faith or life any thing but that which you haue receiued in the writings of the Law and the Gospell let him be accursed See Austine preferring the Scripture aboue all things expoundeth the place against such as teach any thing concerning faith and manners let the Iesuit mark this but that which is contained in the Scripture and the Iesuite begging the question talketh idlely of his Romane Church 4 His second argument to proue his third conclusion is that the priuate spirit is not infallible and plainly knowne Whereto I answer that this is false meaning priuate as the Iesuite doth I haue distinguished it for a smal company holding against a multitude as e 1. Reg. 22. 23. Michaiah did against 400. Prophets may be directed by the spirit of God in the Scriptures which are infallible plainly knowne But neither thēselues nor any other can be sure they are thus taught I answer this is vntrue for the Scripture is a light and knowne by the sons of light and by it they may be assured Now they that be thus assured are infallibly sure they are taught by the holy Ghost for f 2. Tim. 3.16 All Scripture is inspired of God and containeth the teaching of the holy Ghost But there is no promise in the Scripture to assure him he is thus taught Yes for the Scripture promiseth that euery doctrine is of God that consenteth with it and