baptism_n 2._o from_o their_o eminent_a lead_v man_n who_o deny_v infant_n baptism_n prove_v that_o the_o waldense_v deny_v infant_n baptism_n be_v from_o the_o join_a tness_n that_o be_v bear_v against_o it_o by_o some_o of_o their_o most_o eminent_a lead_v man_n viz._n berengarius_fw-la in_o the_o eleven_o century_n peter_n bruis_n henericus_n and_o arnoldus_fw-la in_o the_o tweâ—feth_v first_o berengarius_fw-la who_o be_v so_o famous_a that_o the_o waldenses_n be_v call_v after_o his_o name_n for_o a_o hundred_o year_n after_o at_o mr._n clark_n tell_v we_o berengarius_fw-la 1._o berengarius_fw-la and_o who_o fill_v all_o france_n italy_n and_o england_n with_o his_o doctri_fw-la e_fw-la as_o matthew_z paris_z and_o who_o so_o eminent_o witness_v not_o only_o against_o transsubstantion_n but_o infant_n baptism_n which_o be_v make_v good_a first_o from_o the_o reply_n that_o lanifrank_a lanifraâ—k_n prove_v 1._o by_o lanifraâ—k_n archbishop_n of_o canterbury_n give_v to_o he_o upon_o that_o point_n in_o his_o book_n call_v scintillaris_n say_v that_o in_o deny_v infant_n baptism_n he_o do_v oppose_v the_o general_n doctrine_n and_o general_a consent_n of_o the_o church_n magd._n cent._n 11._o c._n 5._o p._n 240._o second_o cassancer_n out_o of_o guitmond_n câ—ssander_n 2._o câ—ssander_n that_o with_o the_o real_a presence_n he_o deny_v baptism_n to_o little_a one_o though_o the_o latter_a not_o so_o public_o as_o the_o former_a france_n 3._o council_n in_o france_n three_o by_o the_o council_n call_v by_o henry_n the_o i._o of_o france_n to_o suppress_v the_o heresy_n of_o bruno_n and_o berongarius_n for_o deny_v transubstantiation_n and_o infant_n baptism_n bib._n pat._n p._n 432._o thuanus_n 4._o thuanus_n four_o from_o the_o testimony_n of_o thuanus_n witness_v that_o bruno_n archbishop_n of_o trier_n do_v persecute_v the_o beringarian_o for_o deny_v infant_n baptism_n as_o you_o have_v it_o p._n 242_o 243._o against_o the_o witness_n to_o prove_v it_o not_o except_v against_o none_o of_o which_o he_o except_v against_o only_o say_v that_o there_o be_v several_a counsel_n in_o which_o berengarius_fw-la be_v persecute_v for_o the_o real_a presence_n but_o no_o mention_n be_v make_v of_o his_o deny_v infant_n baptism_n pag._n 51._o but_o what_o then_o this_o four_o fold_n testimony_n be_v enough_o to_o prove_v it_o arnold_n 2._o p._n bruis_n henry_n &_o arnold_n second_o peter_n bruis_n henericus_n and_o arnoldus_fw-la all_o in_o the_o twelf_v century_n and_o so_o eminent_a that_o the_o waldenses_n for_o a_o long_a time_n be_v call_v by_o their_o name_n viz._n petrobrusiani_fw-la henerici_fw-la and_o arnoldi_n do_v all_o of_o they_o deny_v infant_n baptism_n by_o testefied_a by_o which_o be_v make_v good_a by_o these_o follow_a testimony_n viz._n first_o that_o peter_n bruis_n deny_v it_o be_v testify_v by_o peter_n cluniacenses_fw-la they_o 1._o cluniacenses_fw-la charge_n against_o they_o who_o among_o the_o several_a thing_n he_o charge_v he_o with_o fifteen_o in_o number_n put_v his_o deny_v infant_n baptism_n in_o the_o front_n in_o four_o particular_n osiander_n century_n 12._o lib._n 3._o cap._n 3._o bishop_n 2._o in_o his_o lâ—â—tâ—r_n to_o 3._o bishop_n second_o the_o say_v peter_n cluniacenses_fw-la write_v to_o three_o bishop_n in_o france_n that_o the_o petrobrusiani_fw-la and_o henerici_fw-la deny_v infant_n baptism_n and_o hold_v rebaptisation_n etc._n etc._n and_o that_o when_o he_o urge_v fâ—r_a paedobaptism_n the_o authority_n of_o austin_n and_o the_o latin_a father_n peter_n and_o his_o colegue_n appeal_v to_o the_o scaipture_n and_o the_o greek_a church_n three_o cassander_n testefy_v cassander_n 3._o cassander_n in_o his_o epistle_n to_o the_o duke_n of_o cleve_n that_o peter_n bruis_n and_o henericus_n deny_v baptism_n to_o little_a one_o affirm_v that_o only_o the_o adult_n shall_v be_v baptize_v four_o doctor_n pridieux_n say_v in_o his_o latin_a counsel_n council_n 4._o by_o the_o latin_a council_n that_o peter_n bruis_n and_o arnoldus_fw-la of_o brixia_n be_v in_o the_o second_o lateran_n council_n censure_v for_o the_o heresy_n of_o reject_v infant_n baptism_n church_n building_n and_o adoration_n of_o the_o cross_n five_o bernard_n bernard_n 5._o bernard_n abbot_n of_o claravel_n in_o burgundy_n do_v in_o his_o letter_n to_o the_o earl_n of_o st._n giles_n in_o his_o 204._o epistle_n accuse_v the_o henerici_fw-la or_o apostolici_fw-la of_o the_o heresy_n of_o deny_v infant_n baptism_n and_o in_o his_o 65._o serm._n on_o the_o cant._n charge_v they_o to_o oppose_v infant_n baptism_n transubstantiation_n purgatory_n pray_v for_o the_o dead_a etc._n etc._n osiand_n cent._n 12._o l._n 3._o c._n 6._o p._n 291._o all_o which_o bernard_n say_v he_o have_v either_o by_o investigation_n or_o diligent_a search_n personal_a disputation_n with_o they_o or_o from_o those_o that_o be_v come_v from_o they_o magd._n century_n 12._o cap._n 5._o pag._n 844_o the_o latter_a whereof_o mr._n will_v only_o take_v notice_n of_o so_o partial_a be_v he_o in_o his_o remark_n six_o vicecome_v 6._o vicecome_v vicecome_v l._n 2._o ch_n 1._o that_o the_o henerici_fw-la and_o apostoloci_n deny_v infant_n baptism_n seven_o doctor_n hamond_n confess_v hamond_n 7._o dr._n hamond_n that_o peter_n bruis_n and_o henry_n his_o scholar_n and_o the_o petro_n brusiani_fw-la and_o henricani_n that_o spring_v from_o they_o oppose_a infant_n baptism_n tomb_n 3._o review_n pag._n 827._o to_o all_o which_o testimony_n mr._n will_n give_v in_o this_o exception_n pag._n 53._o etc._n etc._n that_o most_o of_o this_o witness_n be_v gather_v from_o lie_v papist_n especial_o two_o lie_a abbot_n bernard_n and_o cluniacenses_fw-la and_o tell_v i_o in_o as_o much_o as_o i_o have_v cite_v osiander_n he_o doubt_v it_o may_v be_v some_o prejudice_n to_o my_o cause_n because_o what_o ever_o osiander_n say_v of_o peter_n bruis_n and_o henericus_n deny_v infant_n baptism_n he_o take_v it_o out_o of_o the_o work_n of_o peter_n cluniacenses_fw-la who_o do_v calumniari_fw-la fortiter_fw-la lay_v very_o abominable_a error_n to_o their_o charge_n and_o among_o other_o this_o venial_a one_o of_o deny_v infant_n baptism_n now_o if_o any_o credit_n must_v be_v give_v to_o this_o abbot_n it_o must_v be_v per_fw-la totum_fw-la through_o out_o in_o all_o or_o else_o in_o nothing_o and_o very_o if_o his_o testimony_n be_v valide_fw-la and_o the_o author_n from_o he_o our_o opposite_n need_v not_o glory_n in_o such_o waldenses_n that_o they_o comport_v with_o their_o opinion_n nor_o we_o trouble_v at_o their_o dissent_v from_o we_o let_v we_o now_o therefore_o say_v he_o pag._n 55._o look_v into_o the_o wicked_a and_o false_a testimony_n or_o account_n this_o lie_a abbot_n give_v of_o those_o two_o precious_a minister_n peter_n bruis_n and_o henricus_n as_o osiander_n take_v it_o out_o of_o his_o own_o writing_n viz._n cluniacenses_fw-la viz._n first_o baptismum_fw-la abjiciunt_fw-la they_o cast_v of_o baptism_n mean_v that_o of_o infant_n second_o corporum_fw-la resurrectionem_fw-la negunt_fw-la they_o deny_v the_o resurrection_n three_o carnem_fw-la comedi_fw-la prohibent_fw-la they_o forbid_v eat_v flesh_n four_o christum_fw-la non_fw-la esse_fw-la deum_fw-la etc._n etc._n that_o christ_n be_v not_o god_n nor_o take_v flesh_n on_o the_o virgin_n etc._n etc._n fifthâ—y_o ecclesiam_fw-la non_fw-la posse_fw-la aliquid_fw-la possidere_fw-la nisi_fw-la in_o communi_fw-la etc._n etc._n that_o the_o church_n shall_v possess_v all_o thing_n in_o common_a then_o say_v by_o this_o time_n i_o suppose_v we_o may_v conclude_v that_o these_o waldenses_n be_v vile_a person_n or_o cluniacenses_fw-la a_o lie_a abbot_n and_o then_o go_v on_o p._n 57_o with_o great_a severity_n to_o châ—stiseme_v now_o i_o think_v he_o shall_v blush_v at_o his_o indiscretion_n for_o introduce_v such_o a_o popish_a calumniation_n for_o a_o evidence_n in_o this_o matter_n and_o if_o he_o believe_v this_o abbot_n slander_v peter_n bruis_n and_o his_o follower_n in_o these_o thing_n i_o hope_v he_o will_v excuse_v the_o reader_n if_o he_o believe_v he_o do_v no_o less_o when_o he_o charge_v they_o to_o be_v against_o infant_n baptism_n i_o see_v by_o this_o that_o when_o man_n be_v engage_v in_o a_o cause_n and_o wed_v to_o a_o opinion_n they_o will_v not_o refuse_v the_o most_o sordid_a and_o shameful_a way_n to_o promote_v it_o they_o will_v fall_v in_o with_o slanderous_a papist_n and_o take_v up_o what_o they_o say_v to_o defend_v their_o opinion_n witness_v my_o antagonist_n and_o his_o predecessor_n mr._n tomb_n who_o be_v heretofore_o check_v for_o this_o very_a thing_n and_o who_o bold_o justify_v himself_o and_o tell_v we_o in_o his_o precurser_n pag._n 29._o that_o cluniacenses_fw-la though_o a_o zealous_a papist_n yet_o think_v fit_a by_o illyricus_n to_o be_v reckon_v among_o witness_n of_o truth_n in_o his_o catalogue_n and_o that_o if_o such_o as_o he_o and_o bernard_n be_v not_o take_v for_o witness_n of_o thing_n in_o their_o time_n i_o know_v not_o how_o the_o protestant_n will_v make_v up_o their_o
reverend_a author_n from_o the_o church_n for_o answer_v my_o argument_n satisfactory_o and_o by_o search_v into_o &_o so_o full_o confute_v all_o my_o pretend_a antiquity_n thereby_o defend_v as_o he_o say_v god_n truth_n &_o the_o church_n right_a whilst_o other_o of_o his_o brother_n by_o ignorance_n and_o sloth_n treacherous_a silence_n or_o silly_a unsatisfactory_a arguing_n have_v betray_v the_o cause_n but_o whether_o instead_o of_o the_o church_n thanks_o they_o ought_v not_o both_o in_o mr_n b_n own_o language_n to_o have_v the_o church_n tell_v of_o they_o for_o pester_v the_o world_n with_o such_o impertinencye_n one_o for_o his_o heedless_a writing_n of_o they_o and_o the_o other_o for_o his_o rash_a and_o careless_a commendation_n be_v submit_v to_o judgement_n and_o last_o whether_o it_o be_v not_o now_o demonstrable_o evident_a to_o all_o man_n that_o will_v impartial_o consider_v that_o notwithstanding_o the_o confident_a vainglorious_a boast_n of_o these_o great_a 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and_o speedy_a judgement_n at_o who_o door_n the_o prevarication_n and_o falsehood_n lie_v have_v as_o you_o will_v find_v in_o the_o 6._o first_o chapter_n by_o 6._o argument_n from_o posiâ—ve_a scripture_n prove_v that_o believer_n upon_o profession_n of_o faith_n be_v the_o only_a subject_n of_o baptesme_fw-fr do_v in_o my_o 7._o chapter_n by_o way_n of_o illustration_n only_o confirm_v the_o same_o from_o the_o eminent_a testimony_n that_o have_v be_v bear_v thereto_o throughout_o all_o age_n firm_o witness_v that_o confession_n and_o profession_n of_o faith_n with_o free_a choice_n be_v necessary_a before_o baptism_n and_o which_o evidence_n as_o i_o have_v give_v it_o you_o through_o all_o the_o century_n you_o may_v gather_v up_o under_o 2._o head_n head_n all_o the_o authority_n under_o 2._o head_n first_o what_o have_v be_v say_v thereto_o by_o the_o ancient_n themselves_o in_o the_o first_o four_o century_n before_o infant_n baptism_n be_v enjoin_v and_o how_o confirm_v by_o our_o modern_a writer_n and_o second_o what_o witness_n of_o that_o kind_n have_v be_v bear_v thereto_o after_o infant_n baptism_n be_v impose_v as_o well_o by_o those_o that_o deny_v infant_n baptism_n as_o those_o that_o own_a and_o practise_v it_o not_o only_o of_o the_o romish_a church_n but_o other_o through_o all_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o century_n falsehood_n mr._n will_n charge_v for_o prevarication_n and_o falsehood_n to_o which_o testimony_n mr._n will_n make_v his_o exception_n charge_v i_o with_o prevarication_n in_o relate_v something_n partial_o other_o false_o and_o for_o the_o most_o part_n contrary_a to_o the_o intention_n of_o the_o writer_n and_o to_o that_o degree_n that_o except_o only_o two_o viz._n boemus_n and_o strabo_n that_o i_o have_v pervert_v the_o say_n of_o all_o the_o author_n throughout_o the_o century_n but_o how_o he_o make_v this_o charge_n appear_v be_v now_o to_o be_v the_o question_n and_o therefore_o in_o order_n to_o the_o due_a examination_n thereof_o we_o shall_v join_v issue_n with_o he_o and_o put_v it_o to_o the_o trial_n how_o and_o in_o what_o particular_n he_o will_v make_v good_a either_o the_o prevarication_n or_o falsehood_n suggest_v by_o he_o first_o as_o to_o the_o prevarication_n the_o prevarication_n he_o mention_n must_v appear_v prevarication_n 1._o prevarication_n either_o in_o the_o authority_n produce_v before_o or_o since_o infant_n baptism_n be_v enjoin_v first_o as_o to_o those_o produce_v by_o i_o before_o infant_n baptism_n be_v impose_v viz._n from_o the_o four_o first_o century_n it_o be_v manifest_a that_o as_o to_o all_o the_o testimony_n i_o bring_v in_o the_o three_o first_o century_n so_o positive_o affirm_v that_o profession_n of_o faith_n be_v to_o proceed_v baptism_n he_o give_v no_o material_a exception_n only_o say_v this_o of_o tertulian_n pag._n 6._o second_o part_n that_o the_o magdeburg_n tell_v we_o indeed_o that_o tertullian_n in_o this_o age_n oppose_v himself_o to_o some_o that_o asserted_a infant_n baptism_n affirm_v that_o the_o adult_n be_v the_o only_a proper_a subject_n but_o how_o weak_o he_o do_v it_o may_v be_v see_v afterward_o when_o we_o come_v to_o examine_v the_o witness_n of_o which_o tertulian_n be_v the_o van._n so_o that_o i_o hope_v it_o will_v be_v acknowledge_v cent._n none_o in_o the_o 3._o first_o cent._n that_o here_o be_v no_o prevarication_n or_o pervert_v evidence_n in_o these_o my_o first_o testimony_n in_o the_o three_o first_o century_n and_o where_o you_o will_v find_v there_o be_v more_o than_o seven_o time_n two_o boemus_n and_o strabo_n be_v none_o of_o their_o number_n so_o that_o if_o we_o shall_v go_v no_o further_o my_o first_o proposition_n stand_v firm_a that_o believer_n baptism_n be_v the_o only_a baptism_n for_o near_a 300._o year_n but_o to_o proceed_v i_o perceive_v his_o great_a cry_n against_o i_o be_v for_o the_o authority_n i_o produce_v out_o of_o the_o four_o century_n but_o how_o just_o will_v speedy_o appear_v i_o do_v indeed_o say_v that_o it_o be_v manifest_a to_o i_o from_o the_o evidence_n the_o magdeburg_n give_v we_o herein_o appear_v that_o adult_a baptism_n only_o practise_v in_o the_o 4._o cent._n appear_v that_o it_o be_v the_o approve_a and_o universal_a practice_n of_o this_o age_n as_o well_o in_o the_o eastern_a as_o western_a church_n to_o baptise_v upon_o profession_n of_o faith_n and_o which_o be_v make_v good_a by_o a_o threefold_a evidence_n father_n 1._o from_o the_o say_n of_o the_o father_n first_o from_o the_o say_n of_o the_o father_n and_o great_a man_n of_o this_o century_n both_o in_o africa_n asia_n and_o europa_n counsel_n 2._o decree_n of_o counsel_n second_o from_o the_o positive_a decree_n of_o three_o eminent_a counsel_n in_o this_o age._n three_o from_o thâ—_n pregnant_a instance_n of_o ten_o of_o the_o most_o eminent_a man_n age_a 3._o from_o the_o child_n of_o christian_n not_o baptize_v till_o age_a that_o be_v not_o baptize_v till_o age_a though_o the_o child_n of_o christian_a parent_n in_o this_o century_n first_o from_o the_o say_n of_o the_o father_n both_o in_o the_o east_n and_o west_n first_o that_o it_o do_v not_o appear_v that_o any_o other_o then_o adult_a baptism_n be_v practise_v in_o the_o church_n of_o africa_n africa_n africa_n athanasius_n 1._o athanasius_n be_v manifest_a by_o the_o say_n of_o athanasius_n and_o arnobius_n arnobius_n 2._o arnobius_n two_o of_o the_o most_o eminent_a in_o those_o part_n in_o this_o age_n who_o do_v positive_o affirm_v as_o appear_v by_o their_o say_n at_o large_a p._n 55_o 56._o that_o teach_v faith_n and_o desire_n shall_v according_a to_o christ_n commission_n precede_v baptism_n and_o to_o which_o we_o may_v add_v what_o we_o have_v from_o optatus_n milevitanus_fw-la milev_n 3._o optatus_n milev_n a_o other_o person_n of_o great_a name_n in_o this_o church_n in_o this_o age_n who_o tell_v we_o in_o his_o 4._o book_n as_o say_v the_o magdeburg_n century_n 4._o pag._n 237._o that_o none_o deny_v but_o that_o every_o man_n by_o nature_n though_o bear_v of_o christian_a parent_n be_v unclean_a and_o that_o without_o the_o spirit_n he_o be_v not_o cleanse_v and_o that_o there_o be_v a_o necessity_n of_o the_o spirit_n clease_v before_o baptism_n so_o that_o the_o house_n must_v be_v trim_v and_o fit_v for_o the_o lord_n viz_o as_o he_o say_v the_o soul_n of_o the_o believer_n be_v that_o god_n may_v enter_v and_o dwell_v in_o it_o according_a to_o the_o say_n of_o the_o apostle_n you_o be_v the_o temple_n of_o god_n and_o he_o dwell_v in_o you_o second_o that_o be_v be_v the_o faith_n and_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n of_o asia_n asia_n asia_n appear_v by_o the_o like_a say_n of_o bazil_n greg._n nazienzen_n ephrim_n syrus_n epiphanius_n etc._n etc._n as_o at_o large_a you_o have_v they_o p._n 55_o 56_o 57_o three_o that_o it_o be_v the_o universal_a practice_n in_o the_o western_a or_o european_a europe_n europe_n church_n
and_o many_o suffer_v bond_n and_o martyrdom_n from_o protestant_a brethren_n for_o the_o profession_n thereof_o p._n 260._o thessalonian_o 5._o thessalonian_o the_o church_n in_o thessalonica_n of_o the_o same_o faith_n and_o practice_v p._n 76._o fleming_n 6._o fleming_n the_o church_n of_o christ_n in_o flanders_n assert_v the_o same_o and_o multitude_n of_o martyr_n that_o witness_v thereto_o by_o blood_n p._n 267_o etc._n etc._n bohemian_o 7._o bohemian_o the_o church_n in_o bohemia_n witness_v to_o this_o truth_n and_o their_o great_a suffering_n for_o the_o same_o pag._n 271._o hungarian_n 8._o hungarian_n the_o church_n of_o hungaria_n of_o the_o same_o practice_n p._n 274._o pole_n 9_o pole_n the_o church_n in_o poland_n of_o like_a faith_n and_o practice_v p._n 274._o transilvanian_o 10._o transilvanian_o the_o church_n in_o transylvania_n of_o the_o same_o practice_n 274._o english_a 11._o english_a the_o church_n in_o this_o nation_n own_v the_o same_o principle_n and_o practice_v viz._n first_o in_o the_o time_n of_o the_o ancient_a britain_n p._n 226._o second_o under_o the_o name_n of_o lollard_n from_o the_o waldensian_a barb_n of_o that_o name_n pag._n 278._o p._n 203_o 204._o three_o under_o the_o name_n wickliffians_fw-fr who_o assert_v also_o that_o believer_n be_v the_o only_a subject_n of_o baptism_n p._n 283._o and_o last_o since_o henry_n the_o eight_n time_n under_o the_o name_n of_o anabaptist_n p._n 306._o against_o which_o latter_a testimony_n from_o these_o respective_a church_n in_o these_o several_a region_n he_o only_o except_v against_o the_o donatist_n waldenses_n and_o ancient_a britain_n deny_v that_o they_o be_v of_o this_o faith_n and_o practice_n which_o you_o have_v particular_o reply_v to_o in_o the_o three_o chapter_n where_o the_o witness_n against_o infant_n baptism_n be_v defend_v but_o in_o the_o mean_a time_n it_o must_v be_v remember_v that_o the_o rest_n stand_v good_a as_o not_o except_v against_o second_o you_o 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the_o only_a baptism_n of_o those_o century_n that_o will_v have_v be_v madness_n and_o contradiction_n with_o a_o witness_n and_o which_o he_o seem_v to_o father_n upon_o i_o homineur_fw-fr 2._o but_o argument_n ad_fw-la homineur_fw-fr second_o because_o nothing_o be_v more_o fair_a or_o frequent_a then_o to_o improve_v man_n own_a say_n against_o themselves_o for_o their_o better_a conviction_n and_o clear_v the_o truth_n as_o mr._n tomb_n have_v bring_v mr._n baxters_n 20._o argument_n against_o himself_o and_o therefore_o call_v his_o book_n felo_fw-la de_fw-la se_fw-la and_o no_o more_o injury_n do_v thereby_o then_o mr._n tomb_n say_v be_v do_v by_o bishop_n morton_n in_o allege_v the_o romanist_n word_n in_o there_o write_n as_o a_o advocate_n for_o the_o protestant_n against_o themselves_o but_o right_o do_v thereby_o as_o he_o say_v to_o the_o church_n of_o god_n so_o that_o what_o they_o say_v respect_v the_o commission_n for_o the_o necessity_n of_o teach_v profession_n and_o confession_n and_o so_o as_o their_o join_a rd_n necessare_o exclude_v any_o other_o but_o such_o câ—pable_a subject_n what_o injury_n to_o improve_v it_o for_o the_o truth_n and_o to_o which_o i_o have_v speak_v much_o to_o prevent_v cavil_n of_o this_o kind_n as_o you_o will_v find_v it_o p._n 85_o 86_o and_o in_o the_o praeface_n â—ntanâ—s_n austin_n so_o for_o adult_n baptism_n in_o wâ—rds_n as_o to_o exc_n â—â—e_v â—ntanâ—s_n for_o instance_n if_o austin_n tell_v we_o in_o one_o place_n that_o 〈…〉_o put_v due_a examination_n both_o to_o doctrine_n and_o conversation_n aught_o to_o be_v baptize_v and_o that_o no_o ignorant_a or_o scandelous_a pâ—rson_n without_o due_a instruction_n and_o fruit_n of_o repentance_n be_v to_o be_v admit_v to_o baptism_n what_o can_v be_v speak_v more_o agreeable_a to_o truth_n and_o more_o indeed_o to_o assert_v believer_n baptism_n to_o be_v the_o only_a baptism_n and_o to_o exclude_v any_o other_o that_o be_v noâ—_n capable_a to_o act_v faith_n or_o testefy_v fruit_n for_o if_o no_o other_o as_o he_o say_v than_o not_o infant_n yet_o the_o same_o austin_n in_o contradiction_n hereto_o say_v baptism_n how_o weak_o &_o contradictious_o austin_n assert_n infant_n baptism_n let_v infant_n be_v baptize_v by_o the_o faith_n of_o another_o to_o take_v away_o original_a sin_n without_o which_o they_o can_v neither_o be_v regenerate_v or_o saveâ—_n now_o compare_v these_o two_o together_o what_o sound_a christian_a will_v not_o say_v that_o austin_n before_o speak_v the_o mind_n of_o christ_n in_o wholesome_a sound_a word_n and_o herein_o his_o own_o word_n if_o not_o corrupt_v and_o heretical_a for_o as_o one_o well_o observe_v that_o such_o doctrine_n as_o this_o be_v the_o great_a poison_n that_o ever_o the_o father_n of_o lie_n pour_v into_o the_o heart_n of_o sinner_n to_o make_v people_n think_v that_o sprinkle_v a_o little_a water_n on_o the_o face_n can_v regenerate_v take_v away_o sin_n and_o save_v the_o soul_n and_o 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aught_o to_o be_v esteem_v as_o firm_a and_o good_a as_o the_o scripture_n itself_o p._n 117._o do_v the_o papist_n teach_v author_n 4._o papist_n that_o the_o church_n the_o subject_n not_o author_n that_o infant_n baptism_n be_v the_o appointment_n of_o christ_n himself_o and_o practise_v of_o the_o apostle_n though_o no_o mention_n when_o it_o be_v give_v forth_o nor_o when_o and_o where_o practise_v treat_n bap._n 134._o so_o do_v also_o mr._n will_n in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o protestant_n affirm_v author_n protestant_n that_o the_o church_n the_o subject_n not_o the_o author_n that_o infant_n baptism_n be_v a_o apostolical_a practice_n and_o ordinance_n not_o that_o the_o primitive_a church_n be_v the_o author_n but_o subject_a thereof_o christ_n himself_o have_v appoint_v it_o and_o approve_v thereof_o though_o not_o where_o write_v p._n 119._o five_o do_v the_o papist_n maintain_v ancient_n 5._o papist_n testefied_a by_o the_o ancient_n that_o the_o truth_n of_o this_o ecclesiastical_a custom_n of_o infant_n baptism_n be_v hand_v down_o to_o we_o to_o be_v a_o apostolical_a tradition_n by_o the_o writing_n of_o almost_o all_o the_o ancient_n treat_n bap._n p._n 133._o so_o do_v also_o the_o protestant_a paedobaptist_n defend_v ancient_n protestant_n witness_v by_o all_o the_o ancient_n that_o the_o holy_a ordinance_n of_o infant_n baptism_n have_v be_v perpetual_o observe_v in_o the_o christian_a church_n for_o there_o be_v no_o ancient_a writer_n that_o do_v not_o acknowledge_v its_o original_a from_o the_o apostle_n master_n will_n pag._n 102._o so_o that_o by_o this_o parallel_n we_o can_v find_v where_o the_o great_a difference_n lie_v betwixt_o papist_n and_o protestant_n but_o if_o the_o papist_n be_v corrupt_a in_o the_o point_n of_o tradition_n about_o it_o so_o be_v the_o protestant_n also_o be_v in_o so_o great_a a_o harmony_n therein_o together_o that_o the_o papist_n and_o many_o of_o the_o protestant_n do_v much_o accord_n in_o the_o 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whether_o mr._n will_v himself_o have_v not_o justify_v that_o he_o call_v a_o false_a suggestion_n and_o exceed_v all_o modesty_n to_o assert_v that_o tradition_n have_v be_v own_v to_o be_v the_o principal_a ground_n of_o infant_n baptism_n for_o take_v away_o the_o unwritten_a tradition_n than_o the_o pretend_a scripture_n to_o justify_v that_o avail_v nothing_o it_o be_v true_a the_o papist_n be_v large_a protestant_n the_o papists_n be_v large_a in_o point_n of_o tradition_n than_o the_o protestant_n in_o the_o business_n of_o tradition_n than_o the_o protestant_n and_o affirm_v a_o large_a power_n through_o their_o infallibility_n to_o determine_v about_o it_o than_o the_o protestant_n can_v own_v who_o can_v only_o by_o their_o infallibility_n tell_v what_o our_o saviour_n say_v to_o john_n lie_v in_o his_o bosom_n but_o also_o what_o he_o tell_v the_o disciple_n in_o the_o mount_n not_o mention_v in_o the_o scripture_n and_o by_o the_o large_a trust_n commit_v to_o they_o can_v 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will_n say_v they_o do_v so_o agree_v with_o they_o in_o the_o point_n of_o tradition_n as_o hold_v it_o more_o sound_o than_o the_o papist_n viz._n cyprian_n austin_n and_o other_o of_o the_o ancient_n hold_v chrism_n exorcism_n infant_n righâ—_n to_o the_o supper_n etc._n etc._n to_o be_v apostolical_a tradition_n and_o to_o be_v make_v good_a from_o scripture_n proof_n and_o analogy_n and_o seem_v to_o be_v as_o large_a herein_o as_o the_o papist_n have_v since_o be_v for_o instance_n austiâ—_n austin_n austin_n in_o his_o 118._o epist_n ad_fw-la johan_n say_v illa_fw-la quae_fw-la nâ—â—_n scripta_fw-la tradita_fw-la custodimus_fw-la dantur_fw-la vel_fw-la apostolis_n vel_fw-la plenariis_fw-la consiliis_fw-la etc._n etc._n the_o unwritten_a tradition_n which_o we_o keep_v be_v give_v by_o the_o apostle_n themselves_o or_o general_a counsel_n etc._n etc._n and_o among_o other_o thing_n with_o infant_n baptism_n he_o mention_v the_o solemnity_n of_o good_a friday_n easter-day_n holy_a 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not_o find_v thaâ—_n the_o engage_v papist_n cite_v by_o i_o do_v set_v tradition_n above_o scripture_n but_o that_o they_o make_v it_o equal_a witâ—_n it_o i_o grant_v etc._n etc._n therefore_o since_o by_o substantial_a argument_n tradition_n appear_v to_o be_v the_o principal_a ground_n and_o with_o so_o much_o confidence_n assert_v both_o by_o papist_n and_o protestant_n to_o be_v make_v good_a from_o the_o writing_n of_o all_o the_o ancient_n as_o say_v calvin_n and_o bellarmine_n more_o modest_o by_o the_o writing_n of_o almost_o all_o the_o ancient_n let_v we_o therefore_o in_o the_o next_o place_n particular_o examine_v the_o respective_a authority_n from_o antiquity_n avouch_v for_o the_o same_o for_o if_o they_o fail_v the_o whole_a fabric_n tumble_v down_o here_o also_o the_o antiquity_n urge_v by_o mr._n will_n to_o prove_v infant_n baptism_n a_o apostolical_a tradition_n disprove_v section_n 3_o there_o be_v five_o authority_n traditional_a 5._o authority_n to_o prove_v infant_n baptism_n traditional_a that_o have_v be_v usual_o bring_v to_o prove_v
of_o the_o holy_a ordinance_n of_o infant_n baptism_n even_o from_o the_o apostle_n and_o to_o mr._n marshal_v also_o who_o say_v that_o the_o church_n have_v be_v in_o possession_n of_o infant_n baptism_n this_o fiveteen_fw-mi hundred_o year_n and_o that_o no_o one_o authority_n can_v be_v find_v witness_v thereto_o for_o two_o hundred_o year_n after_o christ._n try_v origen_n testimony_n try_v but_o in_o the_o next_o place_n with_o great_a confidence_n say_v mr._n will_n we_o adhear_v to_o origen_n notwithstanding_o the_o frivelous_a cavil_n of_o the_o author_n it_o be_v true_a origen_n be_v the_o authority_n especial_o glory_v in_o as_o be_v so_o positive_a and_o express_v for_o its_o apostolicalness_n as_o it_o be_v mention_v l._n 5._o ad_fw-la rom._n c._n 6._o and_o confirm_v in_o leu._n l._n 8._o hom._n 8._o and_o in_o luke_n hom._n 14._o in_o these_o word_n the_o church_n have_v receive_v a_o tradition_n from_o the_o apostle_n to_o give_v baptism_n to_o child_n who_o have_v the_o secret_a mystery_n of_o divine_a thing_n commit_v to_o they_o because_o they_o be_v defile_v with_o the_o pollution_n of_o sin_n aught_o to_o be_v wash_v or_o cleanse_v by_o the_o water_n and_o spirit_n etc._n etc._n to_o which_o we_o have_v say_v these_o three_o thing_n viz._n baptism_n reason_n give_v before_o agay_v it_o in_o treat_n of_o baptism_n first_o that_o origen_n be_v but_o one_o single_a testimony_n as_o doctor_n tayler_n observe_v and_o that_o against_o so_o much_o authentic_a testimony_n to_o the_o contrary_a that_o none_o but_o the_o adult_n be_v find_v in_o the_o apostle_n time_n and_o the_o next_o century_n after_o they_o to_o be_v baptize_v second_o that_o his_o writing_n be_v so_o notorious_a corrupt_v and_o erroneous_a and_o particular_o in_o the_o point_n of_o baptism_n three_o that_o many_o of_o his_o work_n and_o particular_o these_o that_o treat_v of_o baptism_n fall_v into_o such_o ill_a hand_n first_o mr._n will_n answer_v to_o the_o first_o to_o which_o mr._n will_v answer_n first_o that_o origen_n be_v not_o a_o single_a testimony_n because_o say_v he_o we_o have_v the_o testimony_n of_o irenaeus_n also_o but_o what_o iâ—enaeus_n testimony_n signify_v you_o have_v hear_v and_o therefore_o that_o neither_o irenaeus_n or_o any_o other_o but_o origen_n testimony_n be_v in_o the_o case_n you_o have_v doctor_n tailor_n in_o his_o deswasive_a against_o popery_n 2._o part_n pag._n 118._o print_v 1667_o one_o of_o his_o last_o piece_n say_v thus_o testimony_n dr._n tailor_n that_o origen_n be_v but_o a_o single_a testimony_n that_o there_o be_v tradition_n to_o baptise_v infant_n rely_v but_o upon_o two_o witness_n origen_n and_o austin_n and_o the_o latter_a have_v receive_v it_o from_o the_o former_a it_o rely_v whole_o upon_o a_o single_a testimony_n which_o be_v but_o a_o pitiful_a argument_n to_o prove_v a_o tradition_n apostolical_a he_o be_v the_o first_o that_o speak_v it_o but_o tertullian_n that_o be_v before_o he_o seem_v to_o speak_v against_o it_o which_o he_o will_v not_o have_v do_v if_o it_o have_v be_v a_o tradition_n apostolical_a and_o that_o it_o be_v not_o so_o be_v but_o too_o certain_a if_o there_o be_v any_o truth_n in_o the_o word_n of_o ludou._n vives_z say_v that_o ancient_o none_n be_v baptize_v but_o person_n of_o ripe_a age_n and_o herein_o the_o doctor_n it_o must_v be_v grant_v speak_v his_o own_o sense_n not_o play_v the_o anabaptist_n as_o it_o be_v say_v he_o do_v in_o his_o liberty_n of_o prophecy_n to_o the_o second_o he_o own_v his_o corruption_n 2._o mr._n will_n grant_v the_o 2._o and_o great_a error_n but_o say_v to_o balance_v he_o that_o tertullian_n do_v not_o come_v much_o short_a of_o he_o in_o error_n and_o corruption_n that_o be_v one_o of_o my_o witness_n to_o which_o i_o say_v let_v they_o then_o go_v together_o only_o i_o shâ—ll_v have_v thereby_o the_o better_a bargain_n for_o mr._n will_v in_o part_v with_o origen_n part_n with_o all_o but_o i_o have_v many_o 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it_o among_o his_o spurious_a work_n second_o that_o erasmus_n what_o ever_o mr._n will_v so_o fa_o sly_a tell_v we_o be_v so_o far_o from_o assert_v the_o roman_n to_o be_v jerom_n and_o not_o ruffinus_n that_o he_o say_v just_a the_o contrary_n in_o his_o censure_n before_o oâ—igens_n work_v in_o these_o word_n at_o qui_fw-la lâ—git_fw-la ennar_fw-mi rationem_fw-la epistolae_fw-la ad_fw-la incertus_fw-la romanos_fw-la est_fw-la utrum_fw-la legit_fw-la origenem_fw-la aut_fw-la ruffinum_fw-la and_o he_o that_o read_v his_o commentaire_n upon_o the_o epistle_n to_o the_o roman_n be_v uncertain_a whether_o he_o read_v origen_n or_o ruffinus_n but_o be_v not_o jeroms_n preface_n before_o the_o epistle_n and_o do_v not_o erasmus_n tell_v we_o so_o to_o put_v we_o beyond_o all_o doubt_n it_o be_v true_a mr._n will_v indeed_o tell_v we_o so_o but_o what_o credit_n be_v to_o be_v give_v to_o he_o let_v all_o man_n judge_v when_o erasmus_n and_o grynaeus_n also_o tell_v we_o the_o quite_o contrary_a erasmus_n his_o word_n be_v these_o cheat_n erasmus_n 〈◊〉_d â—ct_n 〈◊〉_d cheat_n hic_fw-la lâ—brarii_fw-la magnifice_fw-la perfricuere_fw-la frontem_fw-la &_o in_o praefatione_fw-la &_o in_o per_fw-la oratione_fw-la pro_fw-la ruffino_n hieronymum_n supponentes_fw-la hoc_fw-la est_fw-la vitrum_fw-la pro_fw-la gemma_fw-la lectori_fw-la obtrudere_fw-la conantes_fw-la &_o hactenus_fw-la sane_fw-la fefellerunt_fw-la incautos_fw-la nam_fw-la praefatio_fw-la poterat_fw-la vicunque_fw-la videri_fw-la hieronymi_n say_v in_o per_fw-la oratione_fw-la quasi_fw-la soriâ—es_fw-la svo_fw-la se_fw-la produnt_fw-la indicio_fw-la herein_o the_o bookseller_n hâ—ve_v be_v very_o impudent_a both_o in_o the_o preface_n and_o conclusion_n also_o put_v jerom_n instead_o of_o ruffinus_n that_o be_v to_o say_v endeavour_v to_o obtrude_v upon_o the_o reader_n glass_n instead_o of_o a_o jewel_n and_o hitherto_o indeed_o they_o have_v deceive_v the_o unwary_a for_o however_o the_o preface_n may_v seem_v jerom_n yet_o in_o the_o per-oration_n or_o conclusion_n the_o rat_n do_v as_o it_o be_v betray_v themselves_o by_o their_o own_o discovery_n in_o like_a manner_n as_o say_v the_o same_o author_n quod_fw-la idem_fw-la factum_fw-la est_fw-la in_o symbolo_fw-la eum_n enim_fw-la librum_fw-la in_o cypriani_fw-la nomen_fw-la transtulerunt_fw-la sed_fw-la ita_fw-la multis_fw-la commutatis_fw-la ut_fw-la ipsa_fw-la res_fw-la clamitet_fw-la non_fw-la casu_fw-la sed_fw-la de_fw-la inaustria_fw-la factum_fw-la esse_fw-la the_o same_o thing_n be_v do_v in_o the_o symbolum_n for_o they_o transfer_v that_o book_n on_o the_o name_n of_o cyprian_a but_o many_o thing_n be_v so_o change_v that_o the_o matter_n itself_o manifest_v sufficient_o that_o it_o be_v do_v not_o by_o chance_n but_o of_o design_n but_o than_o say_v mr._n will_n examine_v origen_n upon_o luke_n examine_v what_o do_v you_o say_v to_o luke_n for_o it_o be_v to_o be_v note_v that_o neither_o the_o author_n nor_o any_o one_o else_o have_v any_o thing_n to_o say_v against_o his_o homily_n on_o luke_n what_o ever_o they_o have_v to_o say_v on_o that_o on_o the_o levit._n and_o the_o roman_n where_o origen_n express_v the_o same_o thing_n concern_v infant_n baptism_n and_o mr._n perkins_n himself_o let_v this_o pass_v without_o the_o censure_n of_o be_v spurious_a p._n 132._o to_o which_o i_o answer_v first_o iâ—_n 1._o no_o original_a copy_n of_o iâ—_n than_o it_o be_v not_o deny_v but_o that_o leviticus_n wherein_o be_v the_o same_o thing_n assert_v be_v so_o spoil_v by_o ruffinus_n that_o it_o may_v be_v just_o censure_v for_o mr._n will_n say_v nothing_o to_o it_o and_o if_o he_o do_v it_o be_v all_o one_o for_o erasmus_n be_v as_o positive_a for_o that_o as_o for_o the_o other_o and_o as_o for_o that_o of_o luke_n mr._n tomb_n tomb_n tomb_n observe_v in_o his_o three_o review_n pag._n that_o erasmus_n say_v on_o luke_n 1.3_o sic_fw-la enim_fw-la visus_fw-la est_fw-la sentire_fw-la quis_fw-la be_v fuit_fw-la cujus_fw-la extant_a in_fw-la lucam_fw-la
which_o i_o give_v you_o at_o large_a from_o they_o pag._n 234._o of_o which_o he_o take_v not_o the_o least_o notice_n three_o that_o i_o bring_v in_o durandus_fw-la durandus_fw-la durandus_fw-la a_o severe_a encmy_n against_o anabaptist_n as_o a_o witness_n against_o infant_n baptism_n p._n 146._o the_o quite_o contrary_a he_o will_v find_v be_v true_a in_o my_o pag._n 242._o where_o i_o proauce_n he_o as_o the_o great_a enemy_n and_o persecutor_n of_o bruno_n and_o berengarius_fw-la for_o their_o witness_n against_o infant_n baptism_n and_o be_v it_o not_o very_o injurious_a and_o conterdictious_a for_o he_o to_o own_o that_o durandus_fw-la be_v so_o severe_a a_o enemy_n against_o anabaptist_n and_o yet_o not_o to_o acknowledge_v and_o allow_v i_o bruno_n and_o berengarius_fw-la my_o two_o witness_n i_o produce_v for_o deny_v infant_n baptism_n that_o he_o persecute_v the_o same_o it_o be_v true_a durandus_fw-la be_v in_o the_o index_n i_o do_v not_o know_v how_o put_v among_o the_o witness_n but_o the_o say_a index_n direct_v to_o the_o page_n where_o the_o story_n be_v right_o tell_v you_o and_o from_o whence_o he_o have_v the_o account_n what_o a_o enemy_n he_o be_v to_o the_o anabaptist_n apamen_n bishop_n of_o apamen_n four_o that_o the_o bishop_n of_o apamen_n etc._n etc._n be_v mention_v among_o my_o witness_n and_o pag._n 231._o say_v to_o be_v for_o anabaptism_n yet_o not_o say_v to_o be_v against_o infant_n baptism_n pag._n 146._o but_o the_o late_a century_n writer_n so_o call_v they_o in_o a_o modern_a sense_n we_o have_v no_o reason_n to_o doubt_v it_o five_o that_o i_o have_v nothing_o to_o evidence_n that_o peter_n bruis_n bruis_n pet._n bruis_n deny_v infant_n baptism_n but_o the_o impudent_a story_n of_o two_o lying_z abotâ—_z when_o he_o know_v i_o produce_v three_o or_o four_o evidence_n more_o to_o prove_v it_o and_o he_o also_o know_v that_o those_o pretend_a absurdety_n he_o will_v bring_v upon_o the_o two_o abbot_n viz._n cluniacenses_fw-la and_o bernard_n be_v lie_v forgery_n of_o his_o own_o which_o i_o shall_v present_o demonstrate_v six_o that_o i_o have_v no_o ground_n to_o say_v â—hat_n wickliff_n wickliff_n wickliff_n deny_v infant_n baptism_n p._n 146._o when_o i_o produce_v so_o much_o evidence_n to_o prove_v it_o which_o you_o have_v from_o p._n 283._o to_o 289._o demonstrate_v that_o he_o not_o only_o affirm_v that_o believer_n be_v the_o only_a subject_n of_o baptism_n but_o withal_o that_o child_n be_v not_o sacramental_o to_o be_v baptize_v and_o what_o can_v be_v more_o express_a evidence_n in_o the_o case_n another_o piece_n of_o injurious_a deal_n detect_v a_o notorious_a fallacy_n &_o abuse_v detect_v i_o have_v to_o complain_v against_o our_o author_n for_o be_v for_o his_o father_n so_o notorious_a a_o fallacy_n upon_o the_o reader_n and_o abuse_v upon_o myself_o in_o affirm_v that_o i_o produce_v a_o great_a bede-role_n of_o witness_n against_o infant_n baptism_n who_o be_v so_o firm_o for_o it_o as_o i_o in_o contra_fw-la diction_n to_o myself_o grant_v viz._n austin_n chrysostome_n pag._n 25._o of_o he_o and_o theophilact_v anselme_n bede_n gregory_n anslbertus_n albertus_n lombard_n etc._n etc._n and_o the_o three_o counsel_n of_o bracarens_n tollatan_n and_o constantinople_n in_o his_o recapitulation_n p._n 139_o etc._n etc._n whereas_o i_o have_v again_o and_o â—gain_o say_v that_o i_o produce_v they_o not_o as_o positive_a witness_n against_o infant_n baptism_n there_o be_v not_o one_o of_o they_o in_o my_o catalogue_n which_o will_v have_v be_v madness_n indeed_o whâ—n_o i_o have_v bring_v they_o in_o among_o those_o that_o have_v asseâ—ted_v infant_n baptism_n but_o for_o these_o reason_n only_o viz._n 1._o first_o to_o show_v what_o strong_a argument_n witness_n why_o person_n own_v infant_n baptism_n be_v produce_v for_o witness_n so_o agree_v to_o the_o scripture_n institution_n and_o pattern_n they_o have_v themselves_o produce_v for_o believer_n baptism_n only_o viz._n 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i_o have_v mention_v viz._n the_o waldenses_n donatist_n britain_n &c._n &c._n concern_v who_o he_o be_v please_v thus_o to_o express_v himself_o p._n 129._o and_o in_o reference_n to_o the_o confidence_n of_o my_o antagonist_n that_o the_o waldenses_n donatist_n and_o britain_n be_v all_o against_o infante_n baptism_n when_o none_o of_o they_o be_v make_v good_a the_o proverb_n pertureant_a montes_n etc._n etc._n but_o what_o cause_n he_o have_v for_o this_o confident_a vain_a glorious_a boast_n will_v soon_o be_v try_v the_o witness_v bear_v by_o the_o waldenses_n against_o infant_n baptism_n justify_v baptism_n the_o 4._o fold_n evidence_n to_o prove_v the_o wald._n deny_v infant_n baptism_n the_o first_o he_o oppose_v be_v thâ—t_v of_o the_o waldenses_n who_o witness_n against_o infant_n baptism_n i_o make_v good_a from_o a_o four_o fold_v demonstration_n viz._n fit_v from_o their_o confession_n of_o faith_n second_o from_o the_o witness_n bear_v thereto_o by_o their_o most_o eminent_a men._n three_o from_o the_o decree_n of_o counsel_n pope_n and_o emperor_n against_o the_o body_n of_o the_o people_n for_o the_o same_o and_o four_o from_o the_o footstep_n thereof_o they_o have_v leave_v in_o the_o several_a region_n and_o country_n where_o they_o have_v be_v disperse_v upon_o which_o he_o make_v this_o follow_a reply_n pag._n 46._o viz._n that_o there_o be_v two_o sort_n of_o people_n that_o it_o be_v like_a will_v be_v impose_v upon_o by_o the_o flourish_v which_o this_o champion_n make_v those_o who_o be_v ignorant_a and_o those_o who_o be_v prejudice_v against_o infant_n baptism_n no_o doubt_n but_o all_o this_o will_v pass_v for_o gospel_n among_o such_o but_o i_o may_v say_v of_o the_o author_n multa_fw-la loquor_fw-la sed_fw-la nihil_fw-la dicit_fw-la or_o rather_o probat_fw-la and_o that_o which_o he_o say_v be_v but_o vox_fw-la &_o praeterea_fw-la nihil_fw-la a_o great_a sound_n of_o word_n but_o no_o proof_n and_o this_o he_o promise_v to_o make_v appear_v in_o order_n to_o the_o first_o as_o to_o the_o confession_n of_o faith_n he_o say_v two_o thing_n first_o that_o there_o be_v no_o such_o confession_n to_o be_v find_v of_o that_o nature_n nor_o any_o thing_n that_o look_v like_o a_o confession_n unless_o it_o be_v in_o utopia_n pag._n 111._o but_o my_o adversary_n have_v a_o notable_a dexterity_n to_o prove_v quidlibet_fw-la ex_fw-la quolibet_fw-la p._n 46._o second_o that_o the_o quite_o contrary_a appear_v by_o their_o contrary_a confession_n of_o faith_n witness_v how_o firm_o they_o do_v assert_v infant_n baptism_n pag._n 46_o and_o 64._o etc._n etc._n to_o both_o which_o i_o answer_v first_o that_o it_o may_v be_v manifest_a to_o the_o reader_n that_o their_o confession_n of_o faith_n do_v indeed_o exclude_v infant_n from_o baptism_n i_o shall_v give_v in_o a_o parallel_n betwixt_o what_o their_o confession_n say_v and_o what_o he_o in_o the_o repetition_n thereof_o make_v they_o say_v and_o leave_v it_o to_o judgement_n how_o fair_o he_o have_v deal_v therein_o what_o their_o confession_n be_v as_o p._n 239_o etc._n etc._n faith_n the_o waldenses_n confession_n of_o faith_n that_o god_n have_v not_o only_o instruct_v we_o by_o his_o word_n but_o have_v also_o ordain_v certain_a sacrament_n to_o be_v join_v with_o it_o as_o a_o mean_n to_o unite_v we_o unto_o and_o to_o make_v we_o partaker_n of_o his_o benefit_n and_o that_o there_o be_v only_o two_o of_o they_o belong_v in_o common_a to_o all_o member_n of_o the_o church_n under_o the_o new_a testament_n viz._n baptism_n and_o the_o lord_n supper_n we_o do_v believe_v that_o in_o the_o sacrament_n of_o baptism_n water_n be_v the_o visible_a and_o external_n sign_n which_o represent_v unto_o we_o that_o which_o by_o the_o invisible_a virtue_n of_o god_n operate_n be_v within_o we_o viz._n the_o renovation_n of_o the_o spirit_n and_o the_o mortification_n of_o our_o member_n in_o jesus_n christ_n by_o which_o also_o we_o be_v receive_v into_o the_o holy_a
congregation_n of_o the_o people_n of_o god_n their_o profess_v and_o declare_v open_o our_o faith_n and_o amendment_n of_o life_n we_o esteem_v for_o a_o abomination_n and_o antichristian_a all_o humane_a invention_n as_o a_o trouble_n and_o prejudice_n to_o the_o liberty_n of_o the_o spirit_n when_o humane_a tradition_n be_v observe_v for_o god_n ordinance_n then_o be_v he_o worship_v in_o vain_a as_o es_fw-ge 19_o matth._n 15._o and_o which_o be_v do_v when_o grace_n be_v attribute_v to_o the_o external_n ceremony_n and_o person_n enjoin_v to_o partake_v of_o sacrament_n without_o faith_n and_o truth_n that_o antichrist_n attribute_n the_o regeneration_n of_o the_o holy_a spirit_n unto_o the_o dead_a outward_a work_n of_o baptise_v child_n into_o that_o faith_n and_o teach_v that_o thereby_o baptism_n and_o regeneration_n must_v be_v have_v ground_v therein_o all_o his_o christianity_n which_o be_v against_o the_o holy_a spirit_n what_o he_o make_v their_o confession_n to_o be_v p._n 45_o etc._n etc._n god_n have_v ordain_v certain_a sacrament_n to_o be_v join_v with_o the_o word_n as_o a_o mean_n to_o unite_v we_o unto_o and_o to_o make_v we_o partaker_n of_o his_o benefit_n and_o that_o there_o be_v only_o two_o of_o they_o we_o do_v believe_v that_o in_o the_o sacrament_n of_o baptism_n water_n be_v the_o visible_a and_o external_a sign_n which_o represent_v unto_o we_o that_o which_o be_v within_o viz._n renovation_n of_o the_o spirit_n and_o mortification_n of_o our_o member_n in_o jesus_n christ_n we_o esteem_v for_o a_o abomination_n and_o antichristian_a all_o humane_a invention_n as_o a_o trouble_n and_o prejudice_n to_o the_o liberty_n of_o the_o spirit_n when_o humane_a tradition_n be_v observe_v for_o god_n ordinance_n then_o be_v he_o worship_v in_o vain_a as_o es_fw-ge 19_o mat._n 15._o and_o which_o be_v do_v when_o grace_n be_v attribute_v to_o the_o external_n ceremony_n and_o person_n enjoin_v to_o partake_v of_o sacrament_n without_o faith_n and_o truth_n that_o antichrist_n attribute_n the_o regeneration_n of_o the_o holy_a spirit_n unto_o the_o dead_a outward_a work_n of_o baptise_v child_n and_o teach_v that_o thereby_o regeneration_n must_v be_v have_v whereby_o you_o have_v demonstrate_v his_o great_a unfaithfulness_n in_o misrepresent_v their_o confession_n by_o leave_v out_o so_o many_o material_a and_o considerable_a part_n thereof_o that_o make_v against_o he_o and_o then_o so_o unfair_o and_o untrue_o to_o say_v that_o there_o be_v a_o harmony_n betwixt_o all_o the_o protestant_n churhe_n in_o the_o world_n in_o those_o article_n and_o the_o waldenses_n because_o all_o that_o be_v for_o infant_n baptism_n believe_v the_o same_o but_o whether_o it_o be_v so_o indeed_o let_v we_o examine_v the_o particular_n word_n 1._o infant_n not_o capable_a to_o hear_v the_o word_n first_o do_v all_o the_o paedobaptist_n believe_v that_o baptism_n and_o preach_v the_o word_n be_v join_v together_o to_o instruct_v the_o baptise_a party_n and_o that_o thereby_o they_o have_v union_n with_o christ_n and_o partake_v of_o his_o benefit_n pray_v how_o be_v that_o to_o be_v make_v good_a in_o any_o infant_n that_o have_v no_o actual_a knowledge_n faith_n or_o understanding_n supper_n 2._o nor_o of_o the_o lord_n supper_n second_o do_v they_o indeed_o believe_v the_o lord_n supper_n to_o belong_v in_o common_a with_o baptism_n to_o all_o the_o member_n of_o the_o church_n why_o then_o do_v not_o infant_n partake_v of_o one_o as_o well_o as_o the_o other_o since_o it_o belong_v to_o they_o in_o common_a if_o member_n of_o the_o church_n as_o mr._n will_n say_v they_o be_v thereof_o 3._o nor_o to_o understand_v the_o symbol_n thereof_o three_o do_v paedobaptist_n with_o the_o waldenses_n believe_v as_o you_o say_v that_o water_n in_o baptism_n be_v the_o usual_a sign_n represent_v to_o the_o subject_n thereof_o the_o invisible_a virtue_n of_o god_n operate_n in_o they_o viz._n renovation_n of_o the_o spirit_n and_o mortification_n of_o their_o member_n and_o can_v it_o be_v true_o say_v it_o be_v so_o to_o a_o infant_n that_o be_v not_o capable_a to_o put_v forth_o any_o act_n of_o faith_n repentance_n or_o mortification_n or_o discern_v any_o the_o least_o sign_n in_o the_o water_n of_o any_o such_o thing_n signify_v thereby_o four_o it_o 4._o nor_o to_o make_v confession_n of_o faith_n before_o it_o have_v they_o indeed_o a_o harmony_n with_o the_o waldenses_n in_o what_o further_o they_o confess_v concern_v this_o ordinance_n viz._n that_o by_o it_o tâ—ey_n be_v receive_v into_o the_o holy_a congregation_n of_o the_o people_n of_o god_n there_o profess_v and_o declare_v open_o their_o faith_n and_o amendment_n of_o life_n but_o how_o be_v the_o infant_n capable_a with_o the_o waldensian_a christians_n not_o pagan_a convert_n to_o profess_v and_o declare_v open_o their_o faith_n and_o repentance_n and_o so_o to_o be_v receive_v into_o the_o congregation_n thereby_o five_o do_v paedobaptist_n indeed_o believe_v with_o they_o that_o humane_a tradition_n and_o invention_n why_o 5._o that_o infant_n baptism_n be_v a_o humane_a tradition_n and_o why_o be_v to_o be_v esteem_v antichristian_a â—bâ—mâ—na_n lion_z and_o vain_a worship_n and_o that_o that_o worship_n be_v vain_a and_o traditional_a when_o person_n be_v enjoin_v to_o it_o without_o faith_n and_o truth_n why_o then_o be_v infant_n baptize_v by_o they_o that_o have_v no_o faith_n or_o knowledge_n of_o truth_n and_o for_o which_o there_o be_v neither_o precept_n or_o example_n in_o god_n word_n and_o by_o themselves_o own_v to_o be_v a_o unwriten_v tradition_n six_o do_v they_o believe_v it_o 6._o antichrist_n groundsall_a religion_n in_o it_o that_o antichrist_n ground_n all_o christianity_n and_o religion_n in_o the_o baptism_n of_o childreâ—_n attribute_v regeneration_n to_o that_o outward_a work_n do_v contrary_a to_o the_o holy_a spirit_n why_o then_o do_v they_o baptise_v child_n which_o as_o acknowledge_v be_v the_o basis_n and_o foundation_n of_o the_o false_a church_n and_o so_o contrary_a to_o the_o spirit_n and_o for_o which_o there_o be_v nothing_o but_o the_o decree_n of_o pope_n and_o anti_n christian_n counsel_n to_o warrant_v it_o whereby_o you_o see_v that_o infant_n be_v manifest_o exclude_v baptismal_a in_o these_o six_o particular_n in_o these_o confessor_n and_o that_o paedobaptist_n can_v assert_v the_o same_o without_o evident_a contradiction_n to_o themselves_o confession_n objection_n to_o the_o contrary_a confession_n but_o in_o the_o next_o place_n if_o these_o confession_n be_v good_a as_o you_o say_v against_o infant_n baptism_n yet_o what_o do_v you_o say_v to_o those_o contrary_a confession_n that_o own_o the_o baptise_v of_o â—_z as_o master_n will_n have_v give_v they_o from_o perin_n p._n 62_o 63_o 65._o answer_n to_o which_o i_o say_v it_o be_v to_o i_o matter_n of_o the_o great_a admiration_n that_o i_o have_v with_o that_o exactness_n especial_o in_o the_o last_o edition_n give_v you_o such_o a_o particular_a account_n of_o all_o tâ—ose_a confession_n word_n for_o word_n both_o of_o that_o of_o bohemia_n and_o that_o of_o provence_n and_o prove_v to_o you_o by_o such_o ample_a dâ—moastration_n the_o follow_a particular_n viz._n first_o that_o none_o of_o they_o be_v extant_a till_o the_o sixteenth_o century_n whereas_o the_o other_o be_v upon_o record_n in_o the_o eleven_o or_o twelf_v century_n so_o many_o hundred_o year_n before_o second_o that_o that_o confession_n say_v to_o be_v make_v by_o the_o waldenses_n in_o bohemia_n to_o king_n ladislaus_n be_v not_o waldenses_n as_o they_o themselves_o acknowledge_v in_o the_o preambule_n thereof_o three_o have_v give_v a_o account_n how_o and_o by_o what_o mean_n and_o when_o those_o of_o provence_n come_v to_o introduce_v that_o custom_n so_o contrary_a to_o what_o their_o ancient_a barbe_n have_v instruct_v they_o in_o how_o sad_o they_o have_v â—eclined_v even_o to_o go_v to_o mass_n and_o how_o contradictious_a that_o practice_n be_v to_o other_o part_n of_o the_o confession_n into_o which_o it_o be_v foist_v and_o that_o these_o waldenses_n of_o provence_n that_o make_v these_o confession_n be_v inconsiderable_a to_o the_o body_n of_o that_o people_n that_o be_v disperse_v into_o so_o many_o part_n of_o the_o world_n that_o hold_v the_o contrary_n yet_o mr._n will_n shall_v take_v so_o little_a notice_n of_o what_o i_o have_v say_v and_o mr._n blindman_n that_o have_v write_v since_o who_o have_v also_o transcribe_v the_o say_a contrary_a confession_n without_o the_o least_o notice_n to_o what_o i_o have_v say_v in_o answer_n thereto_o which_o i_o think_v be_v such_o a_o abuse_n as_o be_v never_o offer_v by_o any_o pretend_v to_o answer_v book_n and_o therefore_o i_o must_v refer_v they_o and_o all_o other_o that_o desire_v satisfaction_n therein_o to_o what_o i_o have_v so_o full_o and_o as_o i_o humble_o conceive_v unanswerable_o speak_v to_o each_o confession_n the_o second_o demonstration_n
little_a control_v nature_n m._n will_n charge_v the_o principle_n to_o be_v of_o a_o divide_v nature_n have_v consider_v the_o invalidity_n of_o the_o first_o reason_n why_o the_o principle_n be_v naught_o viz._n from_o the_o wickedness_n of_o those_o that_o profess_v it_o we_o come_v in_o the_o next_o place_n to_o examine_v what_o he_o have_v far_a to_o say_v to_o that_o he_o call_v the_o disquiet_v divide_v nature_n of_o it_o to_o prove_v it_o false_a and_o dangerous_a which_o we_o find_v p._n 95._o in_o these_o word_n viz._n the_o very_a principle_n of_o anabaptistry_n be_v of_o a_o dangerous_a nature_n which_o in_o that_o rigidity_n as_o some_o man_n hold_v it_o be_v of_o a_o disquiet_v tendency_n that_o as_o mr._n bunian_n say_v be_v not_o fit_a for_o any_o age_n or_o state_n of_o the_o church_n i_o can_v but_o sigh_v to_o consider_v the_o way_n of_o some_o man_n who_o spirit_n be_v impregnate_v therewith_o so_o that_o their_o very_a constitution_n incline_v they_o to_o nothing_o 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