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A13174 The subuersion of Robert Parsons his confused and worthlesse worke, entituled, A treatise of three conuersions of England from paganisme to Christian religion Sutcliffe, Matthew, 1550?-1629. 1606 (1606) STC 23469; ESTC S120773 105,946 186

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