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A64356 The difference betwixt the Protestant and Socinian methods in answer to a book written by a Romanist, and intituled, The Protestant's plea for a Socinian. Tenison, Thomas, 1636-1715. 1687 (1687) Wing T694; ESTC R10714 38,420 66

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