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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A86188	Judas excommunicated, or A vindication of the communion of saints: being a brief examination and clear refutation of Mr Peter Lightfoots arguments for proof of Judas his receiving the sacrament of the Lords Supper, (which, could he prove, makes nothing at all for a mixt Communion.) / By Joseph Heming, a servant to all men in the Gospel of Jesus Christ.	Heming, Joseph.	1649 (1649)	Wing H1420; Thomason E565_5; ESTC R206114	14,086	27

vain foclish irrational contradictory assertion 't is to say and unsay and in plain English to say just nothing at all And for those that have been hanged at Tyburn c. unless b● can prove that they were not by Raptism admitted into his Church nor be into theirs or that they were first excommunicated which be shall never do and besides let him but once mention Exce●●munication with Approbation and his cause is utterly lost or 〈◊〉 less he will eat his own words deny a National Church in so gross a sence as ●e ●ol●s one or joyn with us in order to a Reformation let him fret and fu●●e huff and puss●rage and storm call and miss●●●● while ●e will they must and shall be his brethren c 't is he 〈◊〉 made them so not therefore let none he offended with me W●● he ●is●la●ms that Communion he plead● for the bonds of this brother-hood will be loosed and not before I confess I was once of this brother-hood my self but now I abhor and loath it And yet I look upon all men whatsoever as my brethren in this sence viz. as we are the off spring of and have dependency upon the same eternal Being Acts 17.28 29. He is willing such at Judas was should be his Brethren-Co 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 nicants and do Drunkards Th●eves Murderers Lyars c. ex●●ed Judas in Wickedness He is called a Devil John 6.70 and we such worse then Devils Behold then a Communion of w●se then Devils What are the ends of the mans arguings I wish be would declare them to us But to hasten to a period the viles● men in England professing Faith in Christ shall be his brethren but it vexeth him to the heart they should be called so Whereas he bla●oneth abroad That I grant Judas received c. as though he had obtained his end As I doubt not but all ●●antions men will smile at his folly so for satisfaction of the lowest capacities amongst u● I am willing to say again 't is not 〈…〉 ●ath proved it or ever will whilst he liveth bu● because he shall not say what I contend for viz a Communion of Saints 〈◊〉 upon Judas his receiving or not receiving Admit he did sh●●os● in ●e granted I say yet that doth not in the least measure advantege his or prejudice my cause L●t him draw his inferences When he gives ou● be could quickly be re●●●●led to unto he acknowledgeth the difference in affection is only on his part and be speaks most truly for I am willing to have the love of all man and to live peaceably with them so far as possibly I may ●a●● I 〈…〉 compliancy with any man to the prejudice and dis-advantage of the truth My very adversarious must needs confess I have b●●n so ●ar from preaching Contention Strife and Division amongst godly man of dissenting judgments in matters of Worship that I have ●nd●●vored to make up all branche● and to ●ust all names and 〈◊〉 of distinction behind my back Now good Friends and Readers do not say I have spoken any thing in passion or bitterness of spirit for if I may uso Po●●ls Asterveration 3 Cor. 1.23 I call God to record upon my soul I have not I find my very bowels are moved for him and ob● th●●●●e would smite upon his thigh and say What have I done I am so far from hating his person or seeking revenge for any injury done to me that I profess I will lay my very hands under his fies to do him good Here is one thing that I would have you and all men to take special notice of namely That Mr Light●oo● Communion D●●metrically opposeth 1. The Scriptures the plain Letter 1 Cor. 5.9 10 11. 2 Cor. 6.14.15 16 17 18. 2. His Creed or at least this Article of it viz. The Communion of Saints for I suppose he believes in God c. and in Jesus Christ c and in the Holy Ghost c. the holy Catholick Church but his Communion must be of ungodly s●o●ndal●● and no●●rious sinners and not of Saints 3. The Covenant by which we are bound to endeavor a Reformation according to the Word of God and the best Reformed Churches who abbor such Communions 4. The Directory which saith The ignorant and the scandalous are not fit to receive the Sacrament of the Lords Supper pag. ●● Yea the Common-Prayer-Book it self which shuts the doors against and keeps out open and notorious evil livers till they have manifested repentance for the satisfaction of the Congregation c. It seems his Reformation it to bring us into a far worse condition then ever we were in under Prelacy and Common-Prayer-Book 5. And lastly The Principles Hopes Expectations and joy●● Endeavors of all godly Ministers both of the Independent so called and more purely Presbyterial way who that it not wilfully blind will be of a Communion that thus sets it self in opposition to all that is called God or holy in every dispentsation and form of Worship● I shall trouble you with no more at present but carnestly entreat you seriously to consider of these things and the Lord give you understanding in every thing and lead you forth into the ways of Righteousness that you may walk blameless before him in Love Uttoxiter in Stafford-shire June 2. 1649. Yours as ye are Christs Jos Heming JVDAS Excommunicated OR A VINDICATION Of the Communion of Saints c. TO prove that Judas received the Sacrament Mr Light-foot deals with two Suppers the one at B●thany in the house of Simon the Leper Math. 26.6 Mark 14.3 The other at Jerusalem the Passeover night The Supper at Bethany saith he was before the feast of the Passeover Luke 22.1 namely two days before c. Mat. 26.2 Mark 14.1 Answer 1. I wonder a wise man should bring Luke 22.1 to prove the Supper at Bethany was before the Passeover though I confess it was so in which there is not the least mention of that Supper Just as if I should quote Math. 2.1 to prove that when Christ was born his mother laid him in a manger because there was no room for them in the Inn. 2. The following Scriptures viz. Math. 26.2 Mark 14.1 do not at all prove the Supper at Bethany to have been just two days before the Passeover but that two days before the Passeover the chief Priests and Scribes fought how they might take Gh●ist by craft and subtilty c. and at last concluded it must not be on the Feast day viz. the feast of the Passeover lest there should be an uproat c. Mark 14 1 2. 3. The Supper at Bethany is as likely to have been six days before the Passeover as two Then Jesus six days before the Passeover came to Bethany c. There they made him a Supper Joh. 12.1 2. Now here ariseth a great question between Mr Lightfoot and my self namely Which was the Supper at Bethany That mentioned Joh. ●2 1 2 3 c. Or That John 13.1 2 3 He

continued with me in my temptations And I appoint to You a Kingdom as my Father hath appointed to me That ye may eat and drink at ●…y table in my Kingdom and sit on twelve Thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel But 1. Iudas had not continued with him in his temptation Neither 2. Could Christ appoint to him any other Kingdom but that of wrath and darkness Nor 3. Was he ever like to sit at Christs table in his Kingdom much less sit on a throne in the judgment of the twelve tribes who is himself to be judged as a devil 4. Math. 26.31 All ye shall be offended because of me this night This is the same All to whom the Sacrament was delivered Let Mr Lightfoot take heed how he traduce Christ himself by affirming Iudas was one of that All he administred the seal and spake these words to And let him not think to evade any of these Scriptures by saying Iudas has received the Sacrament and was gone forth unless he be able to prove it Mr Lightfoot I cannot conceive how any shadow can be to gainsay his receiving Ans He doth well to blame the dulness of his own conception The cause he seeth not is that darkness which dwells in him Mr Lightfoot onely to vapor out another business Ans The business he meaneth depends not upon Judas his receiving or not receiving and that he and others may beleeve it doth not I will here grant that Judas did receive the Sacrament now let Mr Lightfoot do his worst Mr Lightfoot which will be as soon blown over as this Ans I beleeve him for this business is not yet blown over He that doth it must have a stronger breath then Mr Po●…r Lightfoot Mr Lightfoot For the fancy is to make a noise of only the Saints receiving Answer Hear O Heavens and give ear O Earth how reproachfully the man calls that a fancy all the Scriptures bear witness to the most precious truth Come let us reason together a little Mr Lightfoot Do you beleeve there is a Communion of Saints If so how dare you call it a fancy If you know no such Communion but Oh that you knew it or rather were known of God in it may I not justly number you amongst those Iu●● 10. who speak evil of things they know not What Is your Communion of Christ and Belial light and darkness precious and vile Saints and Devils Can two walk together except they be agreed Amos 3.3 And do you think there will ever be any concord or agreement between these Why would you have the dirt and filth of the Nation bound up in the same bundle with the precious Sons of Sion Why will you not allow Iesus Christ the most precious materials living stones to build him a house a temple withall Come deal faithfully with your own soul and tell me whether the Communion of Saints be a fancy or not and give me leave to open my heart as freely to you and in so doing tell you that I am afraid your Fellowship is in and with Darkness but assure your self the light will finde you out at length if not to your conversion but oh that it might be to that yet to your utter shame and confusion of face in the presence of those Saints you dayly reproach and wound yea and Christ through their sides Oh that I could hear you say this expression dropt from your pen before you were aware of it and that in truth not in hypocrisie or that you would smite upon your thigh and say What have I done Mr Lightfoot Which if we could prove then we might gather particular Churches Answer So then by his own confession if we can but prove none but Saints i.e. such as have upon them visible or external sanctity should receive the Sacrament we may lawfully gather together into a particular he means Independent Congregation Will the man stand to this think you I fear not If he will I dare say that shall hereafter be proved an abundanti both from the Scriptures the constitution and practice of the primitive Churches the Confessions of Faith of the most Churches in Christendom and the universal consent of such godly Divines both ancient and modern as he himself durst not but judg sound and orthodox And the lawfulness of gathering particular Congregations though I am not gathering any I shall defend against all Mr Lightfoot hath to say on the contrary I wish be may 〈◊〉 in the mean time forget what he hath spoken but if be he should I shall relieve his memory Mr Lightfoot And so make a gain of that godliness Ans Who gains most man those that gather such Churches or such as get sat parsonages of two or 300 l. per annu●● and leave them when they can get better as having a clearer call or a better ayr c. Take heed how you go about to stamp an odium upon the ways of God you may pay dearly for it one day Mr Lightfoot Which by steps would set us in such an opposition to the wicked Ans Whom M● Lightfoot never intends to oppose but countenance associate and have communion with as appears by what he hath written and dayly speaks on their behalf Mr Lightfoot As that we would leave them neither wealth life not liberty Look of the actions beginning and ending of Muncer and his holy crew set down by Sleidan Ans 1. This is but the mans old trade of calumniating lying and belying I wish he would leave it But in the mean time I dare pawn my life that generation of men he intends shall not touch so much as one hair of his head much less his wealth life or liberty I am afraid some of his unholy crew for why should I separate him from those with whom he will have communion he must and shall go with them ' ●is for fellowship with unholy ones he contends let him deny it if he can would touch theirs if ever it lay within their reach But by the way take notice Mr Lightfoot is an Independent and knows not of it be but now condemned L●berty of conscience in matters of worship and yet here he pleads for Liberty even for the Wicked Liberty in the grossest fence Liberty with the Mischief But what a miserable condition are those poor men commonly known by the nick-name of Independents in one while they are cryed out upon us the onely men that would have Liberty ye● a Toleration of Wickedness Blasphemy Her●sie Sects Schisms c. another while they are set in such an opposition to the wicked as that they would leave them neither wealth life nor liberty I am unwilling to put a strange interpretation upon Mr Lightfoot's Liberty I would therefore have him to unriddle himself and then happily he and I may agree In the mean time I propound this quer●● to his consideration viz. Whether there be not a world as I may say in England as well as a Church and