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A66481 The judgment of the foreign reformed churches concerning the rites and offices of the Church of England shewing there is no necessity of alterations : in a letter to a member of the House of Commons. Willes, John, 1646 or 7-1700. 1690 (1690) Wing W2807; ESTC R8187 45,548 70

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godfather_n but_o the_o faithful_a and_o those_o of_o our_o confession_n sect._n 40._o they_o that_o be_v suspend_v from_o the_o lord_n supper_n must_v not_o be_v godfather_n in_o the_o discipline_n of_o the_o reform_a church_n of_o france_n chap._n 11._o sect._n 7._o though_o we_o have_v no_o express_a commandment_n of_o the_o lord_n for_o godfather_n and_o godmother_n in_o baptism_n yet_o because_o the_o custom_n be_v ancient_a and_o introduce_v for_o a_o good_a end_n those_o that_o will_v not_o follow_v so_o good_a a_o example_n but_o present_v their_o infant_n themselves_o shall_v be_v earnest_o exhort_v not_o to_o be_v contentious_a but_o to_o behave_v themselves_o according_a to_o this_o ancient_a custom_n which_o be_v good_a and_o profitable_a sect._n 12_o the_o minister_n shall_v diligent_o admonish_v the_o godfather_n and_o godmother_n to_o consider_v the_o promise_n they_o have_v make_v at_o the_o celebration_n of_o baptism_n etc._n etc._n and_o to_o this_o agree_v the_o synod_n of_o st._n foy_n a._n d._n 1578._o at_o samue_n 1596._o at_o montpellier_n 1598._o which_o last_n say_v that_o godfather_n be_v oblige_v not_o only_o to_o instruct_v the_o child_n in_o piety_n but_o also_o in_o case_n of_o necessity_n to_o provide_v for_o their_o maintenance_n sect._n 18_o the_o name_n of_o the_o godfather_n and_o godmother_n of_o the_o infant_n shall_v be_v register_v which_o last_o thing_n of_o register_n they_o as_o it_o be_v general_o practise_v by_o the_o reform_a church_n abroad_o so_o be_v very_o agreeable_a to_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n and_o particular_o take_v notice_n of_o by_o pseudo_fw-la dionysius_n the_o areopagite_n to_o all_o which_o i_o beg_v leave_n to_o add_v the_o observation_n of_o monsieur_n larroque_n a_o eminent_a minister_n of_o the_o french_a reform_a church_n in_o his_o book_n entitle_v conformite_n de_fw-fr la_fw-fr discipline_n ecclesiastic_a des_fw-fr protestant_n de_fw-fr france_n avec_fw-fr celle_fw-fr des_fw-fr anciens_fw-fr chietiens_n a._n d._n 1678_o and_o p._n 208._o he_o thus_o write_v l'usage_n des_fw-fr parriens_fw-la etc._n etc._n i._n e._n the_o use_n of_o godfather_n and_o godmother_n to_o present_a child_n in_o baptism_n be_v very_o ancient_a tertullian_n make_v mention_n of_o they_o in_o his_o book_n of_o baptism_n chap._n 18._o st._n austin_n in_o his_o 23d_o epistle_n the_o pretend_a deny_v the_o areopagite_n who_o tell_v we_o that_o they_o be_v of_o apostolic_a institution_n gregory_n the_o one_a in_o his_o book_n of_o the_o sacrament_n caesarius_n of_o arles_n in_o his_o 12_o homily_n the_o sixthcanon_n of_o the_o council_n of_o mets._n a._n d._n 888._o and_o indeed_o the_o subject_n of_o that_o whole_a book_n be_v to_o justify_v their_o discipline_n from_o the_o antiquity_n of_o it_o and_o agreement_n with_o the_o primitive_a church_n i_o therefore_o mention_v this_o because_o argument_n of_o this_o nature_n be_v so_o very_a much_o slight_v by_o our_o own_o dissenter_n this_o author_n in_o the_o title_n page_n of_o his_o book_n prefix_v this_o sentence_n from_o the_o law_n of_o theodosius_n statuimus_fw-la observari_fw-la quod_fw-la prisca_fw-la apostolica_fw-la disciplina_fw-la &_o canon_n veteres_fw-la eloquuntur_fw-la i._n e._n we_o command_v that_o those_o thing_n be_v observe_v which_o the_o apostolic_a church_n and_o old_a canon_n declare_v for_o and_o appoint_v which_o i_o think_v be_v more_o full_o explain_v by_o st._n austin_n epist_n 118._o ad_fw-la casulan_n in_o iis_fw-la rebus_fw-la de_fw-la quibus_fw-la nihil_fw-la statuit_fw-la scriptura_fw-la mos_fw-la populi_fw-la dei_fw-la &_o instituta_fw-la majorum_fw-la pro_fw-la lege_fw-la dei_fw-la tenenda_fw-la sunt_fw-la i._n e._n in_o such_o thing_n as_o the_o scripture_n have_v not_o determine_v the_o custom_n of_o the_o christian_a church_n and_o the_o constitution_n of_o our_o ancestor_n shall_v be_v observe_v as_o the_o law_n of_o god_n to_o return_v godfather_n be_v also_o use_v in_o the_o dutch_a rohemian_a and_o all_o the_o
the_o north_n of_o tay_n three_o never_o be_v above_o three_o or_o four_o meeting-house_n and_o these_o too_o very_o little_o frequent_v at_o perth_n where_o a_o presbyterian_a minister_n have_v get_v the_o church_n not_o one_o in_o ten_o go_v to_o hear_v he_o not_o one_o of_o the_o magistrate_n the_o like_a at_o cowpar_n in_o fife_n at_z st_z andrews_n sterling_n burnt-island_n etc._n etc._n even_o in_o edenbrough_n the_o presbyterian_a minister_n be_v not_o so_o much_o frequent_v as_o the_o regular_a clergy_n whatever_o friend_n the_o presbyterian_o there_o have_v a_o year_n or_o two_o ago_o they_o arethi_v day_n diminish_v by_o a_o three_o the_o people_n have_v enough_o of_o their_o cant_n and_o be_v weary_a of_o their_o sermon_n 2._o those_o reform_a church_n that_o be_v not_o govern_v by_o bishop_n earnest_o desire_v they_o to_o this_o purpose_n the_o scottish_a forbs_n in_o his_o irenicum_fw-la print_v a._n d._n 1629_o p._n 202_o have_v these_o word_n such_o be_v the_o condition_n of_o protestant_n in_o many_o foreign_a part_n that_o be_v force_v by_o utmost_a necessity_n they_o allow_v presbyter_n to_o ordain_v they_o hearty_o wish_v that_o they_o may_v be_v ordain_v by_o bishop_n but_o when_o they_o can_v not_o obtain_v that_o of_o the_o bishop_n without_o wicked_a condition_n etc._n etc._n nor_o can_v the_o prohibition_n of_o popish_a bishop_n hinder_v their_o ordination_n from_o be_v valid_a since_o in_o those_o country_n the_o presbyter_n and_o pastor_n have_v the_o chief_a power_n over_o the_o christian_a i_o e._n reform_a church_n this_o they_o do_v not_o out_o of_o any_o contempt_n of_o the_o ancient_a canon_n but_o out_o of_o absolute_a necessity_n as_o appear_v from_o the_o apology_n of_o the_o protestant_n for_o the_o confession_n at_o ausburg_n art_n 14._o we_o have_v often_o testify_v that_o we_o earnest_o desire_v to_o retain_v the_o ancient_a ecclesiastical_a polity_n and_o degree_n in_o the_o church_n but_o the_o bishop_n i._n e._n popish_a compel_v our_o priest_n to_o renounce_v their_o doctrine_n etc._n etc._n wherefore_o in_o some_o place_n this_o polity_n be_v destroy_v which_o we_o heartity_n desire_v to_o keep_v this_o we_o declare_v before_o god_n and_o the_o world_n that_o it_o shall_v not_o be_v impute_v to_o we_o that_o we_o have_v no_o bishop_n when_o at_o the_o synod_n of_o dort_n a_o english_a bishop_n have_v set_v forth_o the_o usefulness_n of_o be_v govern_v by_o bishop_n for_o repress_v heresy_n and_o schism_n etc._n etc._n the_o precedent_n of_o the_o synod_n make_v answer_v nos_fw-la non_fw-la samus_fw-la adeo_fw-la felices_fw-la i._n e._n we_o be_v not_o so_o happy_a peter_n moulin_n in_o his_o preface_n to_o his_o father_n answer_n to_o perron_n tell_v we_o that_o the_o want_n of_o bishop_n in_o the_o french_a church_n be_v the_o necessity_n of_o their_o condition_n that_o they_o desire_v the_o same_o government_n we_o have_v in_o england_n if_o they_o may_v be_v so_o happy_a when_o they_o move_v cardinal_n richlieu_n to_o allow_v they_o bishop_n he_o flat_o deny_v it_o they_o they_o can_v never_o get_v of_o the_o civil_a power_n a_o toleration_n of_o bishop_n their_o politic_a statesman_n will_v never_o give_v way_n to_o it_o nothing_o have_v be_v more_o eager_o oppose_v by_o the_o pope_n and_o his_o creature_n than_o that_o the_o protestant_n shall_v have_v bishop_n the_o apology_n for_o protestant_n write_v by_o a_o french_a divine_a p._n 60._o this_o may_v suffice_v to_o satisfy_v the_o scruple_n of_o those_o that_o take_v offence_n at_o episcopal_a government_n we_o have_v clear_v the_o point_n of_o episcopacy_n p._n 62._o the_o ordination_n of_o priest_n ought_v to_o be_v without_o all_o dispute_n the_o bishop_n work_n p._n 63._o the_o superiority_n of_o bishop_n to_o pastor_n have_v continue_v from_o the_o very_a time_n of_o the_o apostle_n or_o their_o disciple_n as_o be_v already_o make_v appear_v and_o therefore_o in_o england_n the_o papist_n have_v always_o labour_v the_o destruction_n of_o our_o bishop_n as_o zealous_o and_o hearty_o as_o the_o presbyterian_o themselves_o that_o virulent_a papist_n sander_n in_o his_o book_n de_fw-fr schism_n angl._n p._n 167_o confess_v that_o nothing_o will_v more_o gratify_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n than_o the_o pull_n down_o of_o bishop_n dean_n and_o prebendary_n in_o england_n and_o parson_n in_o his_o book_n of_o the_o reformation_n of_o england_n see_v moral_a pract._n of_o the_o jes_n p._n 313_o propose_v this_o as_o the_o necessary_a method_n to_o bring_v england_n to_o the_o romish_a religion_n and_o cardinal_n barbarini_n be_v so_o sensible_a of_o this_o that_o he_o say_v he_o can_v be_v content_v that_o there_o be_v none_o of_o their_o priest_n in_o england_n so_o there_o be_v no_o bishop_n dr._n stillingfleet_n pref._n to_o the_o unreason_n of_o separation_n p._n 9_o the_o papist_n return_v their_o thanks_o to_o the_o rump_n parliament_n for_o have_v deliver_v they_o from_o the_o tyranny_n of_o the_o bishop_n christian_a moderator_n p._n 32._o and_o that_o the_o papist_n have_v a_o chief_a hand_n in_o pull_v down_o our_o bishop_n in_o england_n be_v confess_v by_o albius_n in_o his_o exegesis_n p._n 145._o if_o papist_n may_v not_o be_v believe_v in_o this_o matter_n i_o hope_v mr._n baxter_n may_v and_o he_o declare_v in_o his_o grotian_n religion_n p._n 95._o that_o the_o papist_n have_v a_o hand_n in_o cast_v out_o our_o bishop_n i_o shall_v end_v this_o undoubted_a truth_n with_o the_o word_n of_o two_o eminent_a person_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n sir_n henry_n yeluerton_n in_o his_o preface_n p._n 9_o it_o be_v now_o sufficient_o know_v what_o wonder_v the_o cast_v out_o of_o bishop_n be_v to_o the_o reform_a church_n abroad_o and_o what_o public_a triumph_n to_o the_o roman_a conclave_n bishop_n sanderson_n in_o his_o first_o preface_n to_o his_o sermon_n it_o be_v well_o know_v what_o rejoice_v the_o vote_n against_o bishop_n bring_v to_o the_o 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