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442._o in_o humiliter_fw-la petimus_fw-la nomine_fw-la dicti_fw-la concilii_fw-la oecumenici_fw-la tridemini_fw-la ut_fw-la sanctitas_fw-la vestra_fw-la dignetur_fw-la confirmare_fw-la omne_fw-la &_o singula_fw-la etc._n etc._n edit_n bin._n tom._n 9_o p._n 442._o meek_a petition_n that_o his_o holiness_n will_v vouchsafe_v to_o confirm_v what_o they_o have_v do_v that_o be_v to_o inform_v the_o lifeless_a matter_n they_o have_v prepare_v which_o can_v not_o have_v the_o nature_n and_o force_n of_o article_n or_o decree_n until_o the_o pope_n have_v breathe_v on_o they_o the_o breath_n of_o life_n so_o a_o little_a before_o that_o 434._o that_o si_fw-mi in_o his_o recipiendis_fw-la aliqua_fw-la difficult_a as_o ariatur_fw-la aut_fw-la aliqua_fw-la incideriâ—t_fw-la quae_fw-la declarationem_fw-la aut_fw-la finitionem_fw-la postulent_fw-la confidit_fw-la sancta_fw-la synoduâ—_n pon_n ificem_fw-la curaturum_fw-la etc._n etc._n viderit_fw-la expedire_fw-la etc._n etc._n si_fw-mi necessarium_fw-la judicaverit_fw-la etc._n etc._n si_fw-mi ei_fw-la visum_fw-la fuerit_fw-la etc._n etc._n ibid._n p._n 434._o the_o general_a council_n do_v humble_o hope_n that_o if_o any_o difficulty_n arise_v in_o the_o receive_n of_o the_o canon_n or_o if_o any_o thing_n doubtful_a shall_v require_v a_o definition_n or_o declaration_n his_o holiness_n will_v provide_v for_o the_o necessity_n of_o the_o province_n for_o the_o glory_n of_o god_n and_o the_o tranquillity_n of_o the_o church_n either_o by_o call_v a_o general_n council_n if_o he_o shall_v judge_v it_o to_o be_v needful_a or_o by_o commit_v the_o business_n to_o such_o as_o he_o shall_v think_v fit_a to_o do_v it_o or_o by_o what_o way_n soever_o he_o shall_v judge_v more_o commodious_a all_o upon_o the_o matter_n both_o be_v and_o must_v be_v as_o he_o please_v and_o when_o the_o council_n be_v dissolve_v he_o be_v himself_o tantamount_n to_o a_o general_n council_n indeed_o much_o more_o for_o the_o council_n do_v but_o propose_v but_o he_o 444._o he_o apostolicâ_fw-la auctoritate_fw-la declaramus_fw-la &_o definimus_fw-la p._n 444._o declare_v and_o define_n by_o apostolical_a authority_n he_o 443._o he_o fidem_fw-la sine_fw-la ullâ_fw-la dubitatione_n haberi_fw-la mandamus_fw-la atque_fw-la decernimus_fw-la p._n 443._o command_v and_o decree'_v by_o somewhat_o more_o than_o apostolical_a that_o faith_n without_o any_o doubt_v be_v have_v by_o all_o to_o his_o creed_n and_o all_o under_o the_o penalty_n of_o be_v cut_v off_o from_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n notwithstanding_o some_o part_n of_o his_o creed_n be_v 354._o be_v vide_fw-la council_n trident_n edit_fw-la bin._n excus_fw-la genev._n a._n d._n 1612._o tom._n 9_o sess_n 4._o p._n 354._o this_o that_o apocryphal_a writing_n and_o mere_a tradition_n concern_v faith_n as_o well_o as_o manner_n be_v by_o all_o to_o be_v receive_v with_o as_o much_o reverence_n and_o affection_n as_o thing_n proceed_v from_o god_n the_o holy_a ghost_n or_o 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controu._n tom._n 1._o l._n 1._o de_fw-fr council_n c._n 4._o p._n 1096._o general_n council_n and_o that_o this_o only_o be_v the_o church_n to_o which_o he_o ascribe_v infallibility_n to_o which_o i_o answer_v by_o two_o degree_n first_o by_o observe_v that_o he_o take_v for_o grant_v what_o be_v false_a for_o there_o be_v never_o such_o a_o council_n as_o to_o which_o all_o nation_n do_v send_v their_o pastor_n and_o by_o consequence_n the_o church_n be_v never_o so_o represent_v and_o by_o consequence_n never_o infallible_a if_o she_o can_v only_o be_v infallible_a when_o so_o represent_v to_o wit_n by_o the_o pastor_n of_o all_o nation_n that_o have_v christian_a church_n in_o they_o for_o the_o first_o four_o general_n council_n be_v not_o such_o in_o that_o sense_n and_o only_o be_v call_v ecumenical_a not_o for_o bellarmine_n reason_n but_o because_o they_o consist_v of_o all_o the_o pastor_n who_o be_v send_v from_o those_o nation_n which_o make_v up_o all_o the_o roman_a empire_n 50._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d council_n chalced._n act._n 1._o bin._n to._n 3._o p._n
in_o the_o window_n or_o wall_n of_o church_n 1046._o council_n nicen._n 2._o act_n 4._o council_n constant_n quartum_fw-la decrevit_fw-la cundem_fw-la imaginum_fw-la cultum_fw-la edit_fw-la bin._n tom._n 7._o p._n 1046._o what_o be_v the_o object_n of_o adoration_n and_o so_o much_o the_o rather_o will_v he_o believe_v it_o to_o be_v a_o error_n because_o the_o second_o nicene_n general_a council_n decree_v that_o image_n be_v to_o be_v worship_v and_o denounce_v a_o anathema_n to_o all_o that_o doubt_v the_o truth_n of_o it_o do_v he_o not_o think_v it_o be_v a_o error_n in_o the_o council_n of_o chalcedon_n pudendo_fw-la council_n chalced._n act._n 15._o can_v 28._o qui_fw-fr canon_n genuinus_fw-la est_fw-la non_fw-la obstante_fw-la bâ—nii_fw-la subterfugio_fw-la pudendo_fw-la to_o decree_n unto_o the_o bishop_n of_o constantinople_n even_o in_o cause_n ecclesiastical_a a_o equality_n of_o privilege_n with_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n or_o do_v he_o not_o think_v it_o be_v a_o error_n in_o the_o 572._o the_o council_n constantinop_n iii_o act._n 13._o vide_fw-la notas_fw-la in_o vitam_fw-la honor._n edit_fw-la bin._n tom._n 4_o p._n 572._o six_o general_n council_n to_o condemn_v pope_n honorius_n as_o a_o monothelite_n and_o to_o decree_v that_o his_o name_n shall_v be_v raze_v out_o of_o the_o church_n diptych_n 854._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n council_n florent_fw-la definit_a edit_fw-la bin._n to._n 8._o p._n 854._o see_v another_o general_a council_n since_o hold_v at_o florence_n have_v define_v the_o pope_n to_o be_v the_o highpriest_n over_o all_o the_o world_n the_o successor_n of_o st._n peter_n christ_n lieutenant_n the_o head_n of_o the_o church_n the_o father_n and_o teacher_n of_o all_o christian_n and_o one_o to_o who_o in_o st._n peter_n our_o lord_n jesus_n christ_n do_v deliver_v a_o full_a power_n as_o well_o to_o govern_v as_o to_o feed_v the_o universal_a church_n and_o do_v according_o exauctorate_v the_o council_n at_o constance_n for_o seat_v a_o council_n above_o a_o pope_n or_o be_v it_o not_o think_v by_o mr_n cressy_n that_o this_o florentine_a council_n be_v in_o a_o error_n in_o grant_v the_o roman_a church_n a_o power_n of_o add_v to_o the_o creed_n which_o the_o general_a council_n of_o chalcedon_n have_v forbid_v to_o be_v do_v under_o the_o penalty_n of_o a_o curse_n as_o be_v 593._o be_v ibid._n sess_n 5._o p._n 593._o observe_v and_o urge_v by_o pope_n vigilius_n himself_o to_o eutychius_n the_o patriarch_n of_o constantinople_n let_v mr._n cressy_n but_o compare_v the_o six_o general_n council_n who_o famous_a canon_n be_v make_v in_o trullo_n with_o the_o tridentine_a canon_n and_o the_o general_n practice_n of_o his_o church_n and_o sure_o i_o be_o he_o will_v acknowledge_v that_o the_o one_o or_o the_o other_o have_v foul_o err_v it_o be_v decree_v in_o the_o six_o 326._o six_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n conc._n constant_n iii_o can._n 13._o to._n 5._o p._n 326._o edit_fw-la bin._n to._n 5._o p._n 326._o that_o marry_a man_n without_o scruple_n shall_v be_v admit_v into_o the_o priesthood_n and_o this_o without_o any_o condition_n of_o abstain_v thence-forwards_a from_o cohabitation_n lest_o man_n shall_v seem_v to_o offer_v contumely_n unto_o god_n holy_a institution_n yea_o which_o be_v most_o to_o be_v observe_v this_o be_v a_o canon_n make_v profess_o 326._o profess_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n ibid._n p._n 325_o 326._o against_o the_o canon_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n whereunto_o be_v confront_v the_o ancient_a canon_n which_o be_v there_o say_v to_o be_v of_o apostolical_a perfection_n here_o the_o doctrine_n and_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v condemn_v by_o a_o council_n which_o be_v own_v to_o be_v general_n by_o the_o same_o church_n of_o rome_n the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v also_o condemn_v by_o the_o same_o 338._o same_o ibid._n p._n 338._o 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