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A42125 An answer to some queries concerning schism, toleration, &c. in a letter to a friend ... Gandy, Henry, 1649-1734. 1700 (1700) Wing G197; ESTC R8150 50,034 60

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Christ has but One Church out of which Salvation is not ordinarily to be had then all Christians are obliged as they tender the Salvation of their Souls to keep intire Communion with that One Church and not to run for fear Worldly interest or wantonness from the Church to the Conventicle and from the Conventicle back again to the Church 2. That if neither Prayers Preaching nor Sacraments have any Efficacy or Virtue unless administred in the Vnity of the Church Nay if they are pernicious and Execrable it behoves all Dissenters to forsake and renounce all their Schismatical Meetings and to reconcile themselves to the Church 3. That if those only who thro Ignorance and prejudice or the like Communicate with Schismaticks may and that by Gods Extraordinary Mercy too be sav'd then those who are guilty of Wilful Schism or wantonly gad from the Church to Schismatical Conventicles and are therefore really members of no Church are in a desperate Condition SIR According to my promise I have given you the Opinions of some of our Eminent Episcopal Divines upon all your Queries and could have added many more if needful and upon the whole you will find that they are fully agreed that those who forsake either the Communion of Lawful and Canonical Bishops and set up others in Opposition to them or wholly reject the Order are notwithstanding any Dispensation Exemption Toleration or even Legal Establishment Compleat Schismaticks To conclude Communion is the Strength and ground of all Society whether Sacred or Civil whoever therefore they be that offend against Long 's Answer to Hale p. 84. this Common Society and Friendliness of men and Cause Separation and Breach among them if it be in Civil occasions are guilty of Sedition or Rebellion if it be by occasion of Ecclesiastical Differences they are guilty of Schism Therefore let you and I and all Good Christians and Loyal Subjects pray as our Church in her Litany directs from all Sedition privy Conspiracy and Rebellion from all false Doctrine Heresy and Schism Good Lord deliver us And Let us beseech Almighty God that he would be pleas'd to bring into the way of Truth all Such as have err'd and are deceiv'd to strengthen such as do stand to comfort and help the weak-hearted to raise up them that fall and finally to beat down Satan the Author and Abetter of Schism and Rebellion under our feet I am SIR Yours c. Postscript SIR UPon the Review I find my self oblig'd to beg your pardon for two things The one for not Answering your Queries in the same Order as you propos'd them and for adding one or two of my own The other for making my References so very short ` As for the First I shall presume upon your pardon because it was done with a good design viz. to make the whole more clear and intelligible As for the other I think I have aton'd by sending you together with the Abbreviations the Titles at length of most of the Books the Booksellers Names the Years when Printed and the Authors Names where they are set to the Books and where they are not the Names of the suppos'd Authors in Crotchets as you 'll see by the following Catalogue Feild of the Ch. Of the Church five Books by Richard Feild c. the Fol. ● 2d Edition at Oxford imprinted by William Turner c. 1628. Ham. of Sch. The 2d Vol. of the Works of the Reverend and Learned H. Hammond D. D. the 2d Edition London printed for R. Royston and R. Davis in Oxford 1684. Bishop Lon. Try A true Narative of all the proceedings against the Ld. Bp. of London in the Council Chamber at Whitehall by the Lords Commissioners appointed by his Majesty to inspect Ecclesiastical affairs London Printed and are to be sold by Randal Taylor near Stationer's-Hall 1689. Dr. Lloyd's Serm. on Act. 2. 42. A Sermon preach'd before the King Quarto at Whitehall Nov. 24. 1678. by William Lloyd D. D. and Dean of Bangor and Chaplain c. London printed for H. Brome 1679. Still Misc Separ The Mischief of Separation a Sermon preach'd at Guildhall Chapel May 2. 1680 before the Lord Mayor by Ed. Stillingfleet D. D. Dean of St. Paul's c. London printed for H. Mortlock at the Phoenix in St. Paul's Church-Yard c. 1680. Stil unreason Separ The Unreasonableness of Separation or an impartial account of the History Nature and Pleas of the present Separation c. by Edward Stillingfleet D. D. Dean of St. Paul's c. London printed for H. Mortlock 1681. Differ Case The Difference of the case between the Separation of Protestants from the Church of Rome and the Separation of Dissenters from c. by Dr. Claget London printed for Tho. Basset and Fincham Gardiner 1683. Prot. Resol Faith Protestant Resolution of Faith in Answer to three Questions c. by Dr. Sherlock London printed 1685. Ans to the Kgs. Paps An Answer to some Papers lately printed concerning the Authority of the Cath. Church in matters of Faith and Reformation of the Church of England by Dr. Stillingfleet London printed for R. Chiswell 1686. Vind. of Ans to the Kgs. Paps A Vindication of the Answer to some late Papers concerning the Unity and Authority of the Cath. Church and the Reformation of the Church of England by Ed. Stillingfleet D. D. London printed for R. Chiswell 1687. Apologet. Vind. Ch. Eng. An Apologetical Vindication of the Church of England in Answer to those who reproach her with the English Heresies and Schisms or suspect her not to be a Catholick Church upon their account by Geo. Hicks D. D. London printed for Walter Ketilby 1687. Vindic. Ch. Eng. from Sch. A Vindication of the Church of England from the foul Aspersions of Schism and Heresy unjustly cast upon her by the Church of Rome pt 1st by Mr. Altham London printed for Luke Meredith 1687. Plain fam Disc A plain and Familiar Discourse by way of Dialogue betwixt a Minister and his Parishioner concerning the Cath. Church in three parts c. by a Divine of the Church of England Dr. Freeman London printed for R. Clavel and B. Took 1687. Ans to Reas and Author An Answer to a Book entitul'd Reason and Authority or the Motives of a Late Protestants Reconciliation to the Cath. Church c. in a Letter to a Freind by Dr. Bainbrigg London printed for Brab Aylmer 1687. Animadvers 8 Thes Animadversions on the Eight Thes laid down and the Inferences deduc'd from them in a Discourse entitul'd Church Government Part 5. lately printed at Oxford by Mr. Atterbury Oxford printed at the Theatre Anno. 1687. Reflect Hist pt Ch. Govern Reflections on the Historical part of Ch. Government part 5. by Mr. Smadge Oxford printed at the Theatre Anno. 1687. Reform justif The Reformation of the Church of England justify'd according to the Canons of the Council of Nice and other General Councils and the Tradition of the Cath. Church being
the making a Bishop Priest or Deacon as Baptism to make a Christian And unless the Dissenters can produce a better that is a more ancient Charter than the Bishops have which I am sure they can never do the sole power of Ordination must be still in them and those that pretend to it must be Vsurpers and Consequently Schismaticks Dr. Sherlock says but by what Authority I know not That the Vind. of some Prot. Princ. p. 108. Church of England does not deny but that in case of Necessity the Ordinations of Presbyters may be Valid But he says with respect to the Dissenters that the case of Schism is a different thing and I believe says he Our Author himself will not say that Schismatical Presbyters may take this power or that their Ordinations are valid if they do And this is the Case between us and the Dissenters They ordain in a Schism and tho' necessity may make an irregular Act valid yet Schism will not The Novatians were Episcopal and so were the Donatists says Mr. Vindic. of the Prim. Ch. p. 330. Baxter and yet how have they been judged of for their Schism I need not tell They are very much to blame that say the Presbyterians or Independents troubled the Primitive Church It was impossible for them to be troublesome before they were at all It seems all the Sects and Schisms of that time thought they had no right to pretend to be a Church unless they had Bishops But these Anti-Episcopal Separatists were reserv'd it seems for the last times as the severest Curse and Judgment that could befall the Church Those Episcopal Schismaticks indeed divided the Church but These quite Dissolve it It has been the Tradition and Doctrine of the Christian Saywel of Vnity p. 324. Church in all Ages even from the Apostles time to this very day that no Ordinations are valid or ought to be made but by Bishops to whom the greatest Authority of governing the Church is committed I admire this Episcopal Government and Institution because Faith and Practice of a Church of Eng. man Cap. 1. under it I am in no doubt of the Validity of the Ordinations of our Ministers Or of the Validity of the Sacraments by them Administred For we have our Orders by a continu'd Succession from the Ancients and so from the Apostles which is the only ordinary way that I know of for a Man to be Commissionated to act in Christ's Name I suppose no man will deny that all Ordinations in Schism Thorndike's Rts. of the Ch. p. 147. Review of Mr. M. Hs. Notion of Schism p. 50. are Meer Nullities tho' made by persons rightly Ordain'd because against the Unity of the Church We believe with St. Jerom that the power of Ordaining belongs only to the Bishop and your Dissenters Ordinations made by Presbyters are all Void and Null and till you can prove the Contrary we take you for no more but a parcel of Lay-intruders into those holy Functions to which you have no right those of you only excepted who have been Episcopally Ordain'd In the first place I must put him in mind That as no Man Id. p. 51. Mat. 28. 18. Jo. 2. 21. is to meddle with the Sacred Offices Except he be called of God no Man to preach except he be sent So no Man is to call or send as from God but he that is authoriz'd by him for that purpose Neither can I see any Reason why a Man may not as well be a Minister of Jesus Christ without any Mission at all as by the Mission of those persons who never were sent themselves I believe there never was any case of Absolute Necessity for Lay-Ordinations Id. p. 53. but if possibly such should happen as the Gentleman mentions of a Company of Lay-men being cast upon an Island or remaining in some Country when their Pastors are all kill'd or turn'd Hereticks I am apt to believe that Bishops and Ministers duly ordain'd might be had from other Countries and if not methinks it would be reasonable and fit that we should first see what God would do in such Cases before we presume to do any thing of our selves for which we have no Scripture warrant Basil is so resolute upon his prerogative that he will not endure Vindic. of the Prim. Ch. p. 550. they Chorepiscopi should ordain as much as the Inferiour Clergy as Deacons Sub-deacons Readers and several others which the Church of that time reckon'd among the Clergy without his consent and if they do let them know says he That whosoever is admitted without our Consent shall be reputed but a Lay-man What would he have said if they had pretended to ordain Presbyters or Bishops in opposition to them The Bishops of the Church of England desire no more than St. Basil assum'd That none should be reputed Priests or Deacons that were ordain'd in their Dioceses without their Consent and that by simple Presbyters who were never Chorepiscopi or had any Character to distinguish them from other Presbyters Therefore the Case ought not to be reckon'd so hard as it is Commonly represented by the more moderate Nonconformists who pretend this point of Re-ordination the only Bar that keeps them out of the Church since there was never any other Church not any in Ancient times would have received them upon any other terms And they must have remain'd Nonconformists under Basil Athanasius and all the Ancient Bishops whose names are and always have been had in Veneration with all Christians not one of these would have ever been perswaded to own a Pastor that his Presbyters had ordain'd in opposition to him nay hardly could they have been prevail'd with to admit such as any other Bishop should ordain within their Diocess So extream punctilious they were in this matter and there is hardly any one thing that caus'd so frequent and dangerous contentions between them as the point of Ordination Q. May Orders given in a Schism be made afterwards valid A. Tho as was said above all Ordinations in Schism are Thorndike's Right of the Ch. p. 148. meer Nullities and tho made by persons rightly Ordain'd yet we find such Ordinations made valid by the meer decree of the Church without Ordaining a new as the Meletians in Egypt by the Council of Nice in Epiphanius and the Church Histories and as Pope Melchiades much commended for it by St. Austin offer'd to receive all the Donatists in their own ranks besides divers others that might be produc'd The only reason why some things tho they be ill done yet Id. ibid. are to stand good is because the power that doth them extends to them but is ill us'd So when the power is Usurp'd as in all Schism or when that is done which the Law makes void it can be to no effect Therefore when the Act of Schism is made valid it is manifest that the Order of Bishop and Presbyter is conferr'd in point
AN ANSWER TO SOME QUERIES CONCERNING SCHISM TOLERATION c. IN A LETTER To a Friend It was not long since that the Sins of Rebellion and Sacrilege were so Successful that they did not only cast off their old Names but commenc'd Vertues and it was dangerous to discourse whether there were such Sins or no Prosperous Wickedness has never wanted its Apologists who know how to call Evil Good and Good Evil. The case is almost the same concerning the Sin of Schism and Separation Long 's Epist to the Brethren before the Character of a Separatist An Vniversal Toleration is that Trojan Horse which brings in our Enemies without being seen and which after a long Seige they hope to bring in at last under the pretence of setting our Gates wide enough open to let in all our Friends Still Misch of Separation p. 58. I beseech you Brethren mark them who cause Divisions and Offences contrary to the Doctrine which ye have learned and avoid them Rom. 16. 17. London Printed in the Year MDCC AN ANSWER TO SOME QUERIES CONCERNING SCHISM TOLERATION c. In a LETTER to a Friend SIR I Receiv'd your Letter with some Queries but I cannot imagine what made you pitch upon me when you are acquainted with so many Learned men to Answer ' em But to let you see how willing I am to give you the best Satisfaction that I can I have here sent you the Opinions of some of our most Celebrated Episcopal Divines that out of them you may frame Answers to all your Queries And if you are not Satisfied with what I have Collected out of 'em you may have recourse to their Books your self If you say that the Authors I have quoted are but Private men and their Writings of no Authority I must Answer that most of their Books have past an Imprimatur or which by some is look'd upon as Tantamont The Approbation of the London Divines If you say further That their Practices have in some Cases contradicted their Principles I must say that that is nothing to me Let them look to that If their Principles be Sound and Orthodox that 's all that I desire let them Answer for their Practices As for the Preliminary Questions I have likewise taken the Answers to them out of the same Writers as you 'll find upon the perusal The first Question that you propose is this What is meant by the Church But before a distinct Answer can be given you must know that the word Church has various significations Sometimes 't is taken for the Place where people Assemble and sometimes for the People assembled Sometimes for the Whole Church including the Church Triumphant which is in Heaven as well as the Church Art 19. Militant or the Visible Church here on Earth Sometimes for the Catholick Church Representative or a General Council Sometimes for the Catholick Church Diffusive or the Whole Body of Christians Sometimes for the Church Vniversal Sometimes for a Particular Church c. Q. What is meant by the Church in General or the Catholick Church A. The Church Ecclesia among Christians in the largest use Dr. Loyd ' s Serm. on Acts 2. 42. of the word is the whole Multitude of Believers joyn'd together in One Body or Society under One Head Jesus Christ Or The Catholick Church is the Whole Church of Christ spread Bramhal's Just Vind. p. 23. abroad thro' the whole World Or The Vniversal Church is the Company of Christians Knit together Id. by the Profession of the same Faith and the Communion of the same Sacraments under the Government of Lawful Pastors By Catholick Church is meant the whole number of Christians Disc concerning the Cath. Ch. p. 2. in all Ages and Places admitted into the Church by Baptism and gather'd into Particular Churches under their respective Pastors and Bishops United to one another and to Christ their Head by the Profession of one Faith or Religion Q. What is meant by a Particular Church A. By a Particular Church is meant a Number of Men professing Vindic. of Ch. Eng. from Sch. p. 10. Christianity form'd into a Society under Lawful Governours and govern'd by such Laws and Rules as are not different from but Agreable to the Laws of the Catholick Church Q. What is meant by a National Church A. The whole Body of Christians in a Nation consisting of Stil unreason of Separ p. 299. the Pastors and People agreeing in that Faith Government and Worship which are Establisht by the Law of the Realm Q. What is meant by a Representative National Church A. The Representative Church of a Nation is the Bishops and Id. p. 300. Presbyters of the Church meeting together according to the Laws of the Realm to consult and advise about Matters of Religion Q. What is meant by the Church of England A. The Church of England is a Society of People which in Stil Misc of Separ p. 19. this Nation are united under the same Profession of Faith the same Laws of Government and Rules of Divine worship Or By the Church of England I understand that Body of Men Faith and Prac. of Ch. Eng. man c. 1. who as to Church Affairs are united together under the same Principal Church Officers the Bishops Priests and Deacons and Communicate with them and with one another in all Religious Offices according to the Liturgy and Orders of our Church Profess the Christian Faith according to the Ancient Creeds and the 39 Articles and are govern'd according to the Canons and Laws of this Church Or The Church of England is a Community consisting of profess'd Doct. of Sch. p. 42. Christians united in the same Government Doctrin and Worship according to the 39 Articles and Homilies Her Liturgy Canons and Laws and divided into Parochial Assemblies for the more Convenient worshipping of God Q. What is meant by a Diocesan Church A. The Notion of a Church by the ancient Canons was Stil Misch of Separ p. 29. the same with that of a Diocess or such a number of Christians as were under the Inspection of a Bishop Or A Church is the Body of Christians contain'd in a City and Thorndike's Weights and Measures p. 39. the Territory of it for the Government of such a one the respective Authority of the Apostles convey'd by the Overt Act of their Ordination was visibly vested in a Bishop in a number of Presbyters for his advice and assistance and in Deacons attending upon them and upon the executing their Orders Q. What is meant by a Parochial Church A. A Parochial Church is a Company of Christians united under the care of a Pastor in subordination to the Bishop of the Diocess Q. Wherein consists the Unity of the Church A. Ecclesiastical Unity consists in preserving all those Relations Ham. of Schism p. 508. wherein each member of the whole Church of Christ is concern'd one towards another and this Unity is either of
Subordination or Equality Q. Wherein consists the Vnity of Subordination A. The Unity of those Members that are Subordinate one to Id. the other consists in the constant due subjection and Obedience of all Inferiors to their Lawful Superiors and in due exercise of Authority in the Superiors towards all committed to their Charge Heb. 13. 17. 1 Pet. 5. 2. Q. Wherein consists the Vnity of Equality or fellow Members A. Unity of fellow Brethren consists in the preformance of all Id. ibid. Mutual duties of Justice and Charity towards one another Q. What is meant by Communion A. Communion superadds nothing to Unity but the Relation Id. ibid. of external Association whether by Assembling for the worship of God in the same place where the matter is capable of it or whether by Letters Communicatory by which we maintain external Communion with those who are far distant from us Or Communion with a Church is joyning with a Church as a Stil Vnreason of Sep. p. 107. member of that Church Q. What destroys the Unity of the Church A. Schism Q. What is Schism A. Schism is a Division in or from a Church Doct. of Sch. p. 40. Or Schism is a Voluntary dividing or a Separating or receding Ham. of Schism of any Member from the Unity of the Body i. e. the Church of Christ Or Schism is a Causeless Separation from a true Church Doct. of Sch. p. 58. Q. What is meant by Schism from the Church of England Doct. of Schism p. 45. A. Schism from the Church of England is a sinful dividing from or dissolving our Union and Communion with her in her Governours Members Worship or Assemblies This is the least we can mean by Schism from the Church of England and is called Separation Negative which is made Positive and more formally such when those that have separated set up their Altars against Hers and erect other Congregations in Opposition to Hers. Q. What is meant by Negative Separation or Schism A. Negative Schism is when men do peaceably and quietly withdraw their Communion from the Church in part or in whole to enjoy their Consciences in a private way Q. What is meant by Positive Separation A. Positive Separation is when persons thus withdrawn do Id. p. 60. gather into a Distinct and Opposite Body setting up a Church against a Church to worship God in a separated way themselves which St. Austin calls setting up Altar against Altar Q. What is a Schismatick A. A Schismatick is he that divides himself from the Church Ham. of Schism of God he that goes out or withdraws or recedes of his own accord Q. What is an Excommunicate person A. An Excommunicate person is one that is cut off or separated Ham. of Schism p. 508. and cast out of the Church by the Governours of the Church From the Definitions I think these Conclusions or Propositions will naturally follow viz. 1. That the Christian Church is a Society 2. That the Church is but one Body ' tho it consists of many particular Churches and Diocesses as Members of it 3. That the Church is govern'd by one Supreme Head 4. That the Supreme Head of the Church is Christ 5. That under this Supreme Head there have been always subordinate Governors 6. That those Subordinate Governors were first the Apostles constituted immediately by Christ himself over the whole Church and after them the Bishops as Successors to them in particular Churches or Diocesses 7. That all Bishops in their several Districts or Diocesses have full power as to Spirituals over the whole Flock 8. That all the Members of the Church within such Districts owe subjection to their Lawful Bishops as to those Commission'd by Christ 9. That as Christ did ordain the Apostles and the Apostles Bishops for the Government of the Church so the Bishops have ever since ordain'd Priests and Deacons to take care of and instruct the Church in subordination to them 10. That all Christians are oblig'd to become Members of some particular Church where the Sacraments are administred and Communion enjoy'd under the Authority of some Canonical Bishop or in Communion with some Priest owning and submitting to some Bishop of the Catholick Church 11. That all those who break the Vnity of the Church by actual Separation from the Communion of their Lawful Bishop and fellow Christians are Schismaticks 12. That all those that are united to and in Communion with Canonical Bishops and adhere to the Doctrin and worship establisht in the Church of England as contain'd in the 39 Articles Homilies Liturgy Canons and Laws are the true Church of England and their Assemblies are true Churches 13. That all those who separate themselves as Schismaticks and all those that are Separated as Excommunicate persons by the Governors of the Church are out of the Communion of the Church Q. Is all Separation Schismatical Still unreas of separ p. 209. A. Tho' Schism be always a Sin yet there may be such Circumstances which may make a Separation not to be a Schism That you may know when Separation is Schismatical and when Vindic. of the Ch. of Eng. from Schism p. 16. not you must understand that there are three great Bonds of Communion viz. Faith Worship and Government and whosoever shall separate from any Church whereof he is a member in any of these he or they so doing cannot be acquitted from the guilt of Schism unless the Corruption in some one or more of these be so great as to render the Communion sinful to him who knows it Q. What is meant by the first Bond Faith A. If a Church hold the Catholick Faith tho' her Members Id. may differ in some controverted Points pure and undefil'd and impose no new Articles of Faith as terms of her Communion 't is Schism to break Communion with that Church but if she does impose new Articles of Faith a Separation from such a Church is not only justifiable but a Duty Q. What is meant by the second Bond Worship A. If a Church have a pure Worship as to its substance tho' Id. cloath'd with some accidental Modes Rites and Ceremonies to Separate from such a Church is downright Schism and the reason is because all Ceremonies and Modes of Worship being in their own nature Indifferent cannot by being impos'd become sinful and if not sinful can never justify a Separation But if on the other side the Worship be polluted by Idolatry or profane and immoral mixtures or any other way be made such as that the Members of the Church cannot Communicate without sin Separation from such a Church is not only warrantable but absolutely necessary and the Schism must lie at the door of the Imposers Q. What is meant by the third Bond Government A. If the Church of which we are Members be governed by Lawful and Canonical Bishops and they act according to the Rules of the Catholick Church then to
to a former 2ly For erecting new places for the dividing party to meet in publickly He Mr. Hales says truly that all Meetings upon unnecessary Id. p. 180. occasions of Separation are to be stil'd Conventicles so that in this sense a Conventicle is nothing else but a Congregation of Schismaticks and he had before determin'd them to be Schismaticks that do choose a Bishop in Opposition to the former and that do erect a New Church and Oratory for the dividing party to meet in publickly The Laws and Customs of all Churches do condemn it for Saywel of Vn 193. Schismatical for a man to come into another Ministers charge c. The summ of what is cited on this Query is this that there ought to be but one Bishop in a Diocess or City that they that set up a Bishop in opposition to the Rightful Bishop and make separate Meetings setting up Altar against Altar are Schismaticks and therefore those that would avoid the guilt of Schism must constantly Communicate with the First and Rightful Bishop but never with the Intruder or his Adherents Q. Are the People that Communicate with Schismatical Bishops and Presbyters guilty of Schism A. A Schismatick is an impious Son which having contemn'd Ham. of Schism out of Ignatius the Bishops and forsaken the Priests of God dares constitute another Altar The Schismaticks are they that having left their Bishop set Doctr. of Schism p. 45. up for themselves abroad another false Bishop and all their Adherents are involv'd in the same guilt who joyn with the Schismaticks against their Bishops An essential part of our Communion with our Bishop Def. of Dr. St. p. 471. is to live in Communion only of those Presbyters who live in Communion of their Bishop that is who officiate by his Authority and are subject to his Directions and Orders This was a standing rule in Ignatius his time as is evident from his Epistles that Presbyters must do nothing in the Church but by the Bishop's consent or order and those who do are Schismaticks and those people who adhere to them in it partake in the guilt of their Schism c. 'T is notorious in all the Histories and Canons of the Church Saywel of Vnity p. 393. that never any more than One Bishop at a time was allowed in any of those great Cities Jerusalem Alexandria c. And if a Schismatick did sometimes creep in as the Novatians and Donatists did in troublesome times they were always condemn'd by the Church which did constantly maintain There ought to be but One Bishop in a City or Diocess and all Priests and Lay Persons ought to be govern'd by him To assemble and celebrate the Eucharist besides the Bishop's Thornd Prim. Gov. Ch. p. 117. appointment was then in St. Ignatius his time the due mark of a Schismatick If the Church unites upon Schismatical Principles whatever Sherl Ans to Anonym the Bishop does in pursuance of such Principles is the Act of the Church and if the Bishops be Schismaticks the Church is so too The Church is by St. Cyprian defin'd to be a People united to St. Cyprian their own Bishop and a Flock adhering to their own Pastor whence you may know the Bishop always to be in the Church and the Church to go along with the Bishop if therefore the Bishop be a Schismatick so must all the Flock that Communicate with him If any Presbyter contemning his own Bishop shall make a Long 's Ch. Sep. p. 85. Separate Congregation and erect another Altar his own Bishop not being condemn'd of any Irreligion or Injustice let him be depos'd as one that is Ambitious and a Tyrannical person and in like manner all that Adhere to him and let the Lay People be Excommunicated after the Bishops third Admonition He who submits to or complies with the manager of a Schism Falkner's Christian Loyalty p. 272. in his prosecution thereof doth involve himself in the same crime Q. If a Bishop or other Clergy man be guilty of any Offence by whom is he to be Try'd and Punish'd A. Touching the Depriving or Degrading of Bishops Presbyters Field of the Ch. p. 512. and Deacons the ancient Canon requires the Concurrence and consent of 3 Bishops for the Censuring and Depriving of a Deacon of 6 for the Depriving of a Presbyter and of 12 for the Censuring Judging and Deposing of a Bishop If a Bishop be Convicted of Heresy or Schism or some great Vind. of Def. p. 128. Wickedness and Injustice his Colleagues that is Bishops may Depose him and forbid his People to Communicate with him and Ordain another in his stead For one particular Primate or Metropolitan to censure any Hills Cath. Balance p. 86. Bishop by himself or to be uncapable of censure in his own Provincial Synods hath no Precedent in the primest and purest Antiquity The Canon Apostolical 33 directing That every Bishop of every Nation give deference to him that is Chief among them and to esteem him as their Head and to do nothing extraordinary without his Cognisance but every one only to do those things which are expedient to his own Diocess and to the Country under him And so neither must the Capital Bishop do any thing without the consent of them all for thus there will be an Vnanimity and God will be glorify'd thro' the Lord in the Holy Spirit Bishops had over their Presbyters and People Supreme Power Faith and Pract. Ch. Eng. m. cap. 1. under Christ as to Church affairs and Accountable only to Christ and to a Council of their fellow Bishops often Meeting and Consulting together for the good of the whole A Bishop of the Church of England by all the Law in the Christian Bishop of Lond. Tryal p. 6. Church in all ages and by the particular Law of this Land in case of offence is to be Try'd by his Metropolitan and Suffragans The Bishop of London's Council urged in behalf of the Bishop Id. for not suspending Dr. S. without a Legal process That absolute Suspension supposes a proof of the Crime c. Id. and That where there is an absolute Suspension there ought to be Citation Form of Proceeding Judgment and Decree and that to Act otherwise is contrary to the Laws of God of Nature of all Nations in all Ages and was never known in the World My Lord I Always have and shall count it my duty to obey the K. in whatever Id. Bp. of London's Letter to my Lord Sanderland he Commands me c. But in this I humbly conceive I am oblig'd to proceed according to Law and therefore 't is impossible for me to comply because tho' His Majesty Commands me only to Execute His Pleasure yet in the capacity I am to do it I must Act as a Judge and your Lordship knows no Judge Condemns any Man before he have knowledge of his Cause and have cited
being Traiterous and paying Homage to an Usurper doth annul the Right and Title of the Lawful Prince The Church of England Bishops are guilty of no Schism from the Church of Rome their order is undoubted and their Succession Reform Justify'd p. 29. uninterrupted and so their Title and Authority is as firm and unquestionable as any upon earth and they must be Schismaticks before God and the Catholick Church that do not submit to them and joyn in their Communion in all Lawful things If we look over the ancient Canons of the Church we shall find two things very plain in them 1 That the Notion of a Church was the same with that of a Mischief Separ p. 29. Can. Nic. Can. 6. 15. 16. Constan c. 6. Chalced. 17 20 26. Antioch c. 2. Codex Eccl. Affric c. 53. c. 55. Conc. Gang. c. 6. Conc. Constan c. 6. Conc. Carthag c. 10 11. St. Cypri Ep. 40. 42. Theod. Eccl. Hist l. 1. c. 22. 1. 2. c. 24. c. 17. Vincent c. 16. Diocess or such a Number of Christians as were under the Inspection of a Bishop Or 2ly That those Presbyters who rejected the Authority of their Bishop or affected Separate Meetings where no fault could be found with the Doctrine of a Church were condemn'd of Schism So the followers of Eustathius Sebastenus who withdrew from the publick Congregations on pretence of greater Sanctity and Purity in Paphlagonia were condemn'd by the Council at Gangrae So were those who Separated from their Bishops tho' otherwise never so Orthodox by the Council at Constantinople and the Council at Carthage wherein before S. Cyprian had so justly Complain'd of the Schism of Felicissimus and his Brethren who on pretence of some disorders in the Church of Carthage had withdrawn to the Mountains and there laid the foundation of the Novatian Schism But when false Doctrine was imposed on Churches as by the Arian Bishops at Antioch then the people were excused in their Separation So at Rome when Felix was made Bishop and at Sirmium when Photinus publish'd his Heresie but I do not remember one instance in Antiquity wherein Separation from Orthodox Bishops and setting up Meetings without their Authority and against their consent was acquitted from the Sin of Schism The substance of what is contain'd in the Answer to this Query amounts to this viz. 1. That K. Edward's Bishops were True and Canonical Bishops And the Popish Bishops in Q. Mary's days Intruders 2. That those that adhered to K. Edward's Bishops in Queen Mary's days altho' depriv'd were the True Church and Consequently those that forsook their Communion were the Schismaticks Q. Whether a Particular Church suppose the Roman being Schismatical yet keeping possession of all the Churches may be said to Separate A. Yes For Private Meetings in such a case commence Churches Hales and the Churches become Conventicles according to the Definition given of a Conventicle above viz. That a Conventicle is nothing else but a Congregation of Schismaticks If Rome has by the many Additions c. err'd she may be said Ans to Reason and Authority p. 66. to have left and gone from or be separated from that First Holy Catholick and Apostolick Church without making an open Schism or Schismatical Separation So far then as any Church now in being shall depart from the Doctrine of the Ancient Catholick Church and profess great and many errors and broach new Doctrines unknown to the Primitive Churches and lay mighty stresses upon them so as to make them necessary for Communion here and to Salvation hereafter such a Church may be said to Depart or Separate it self from that Ancient One Holy Catholick and Apostolick Church It is true That they who first desert and forsake the Communion Bramhal Just Vind. p. 10. of their Christian Brethren are Schismaticks but there is a Moral Defection as well as a Local In a word he that forsakes the Assemblies of Catholick Christians is a Schismatick not he that goes not to a Church for where-ever Christians tho' in a Den or Cave of the Earth worship God in the Unity of the Church there is the Church of God Q. Are the Dissenters Schismaticks A. Yes doubtless For they not only set up separate Meetings in opposition to Bishops but renounce all Episcopal Authority and Usurp the Power of Ordination which did always belong to the Order of Bishops As for the Government of the Church we are assur'd partly Letter concerning the necessity of Regulat the Press p. 18. from Scripture and partly from the Earliest Antiquity That the Order of Bishops and Metropolitans rests upon Apostolical Institution Both Timothy and Titus in the judgment of the most Learned Presbyterians were Superiour to the rest of the Clergy within their Districts at least in Jurisdiction if not Order The Bishop presided over a City and the adjacent Villages Id. p. 19 and Territories where a Temporal Magistrate was likewise plac'd As the Metropolis of every Province had its Proconsul in the State so it had its Archbishop or Metropolitan in the Church And when the Government of Patriarchs prevail'd it was form'd after the same Model either in Imitation of the Vicars or Lieutenants that presided over a Diocess composed of several Provinces or at least in Imitation of the Praetorian Prefects that had several Dioceses under their Jurisdiction All those that set up Altar against Altar and hold Separate Saywel of Vnity p. 318. Congregations contrary to the Law of this Church are to be held as Schismaticks and were condemn'd for such by the ancient General and Particular Councils and all the Catholick Fathers and Martyrs and thought not sit to be receiv'd into Christian Communion or accounted lively members of the Catholick Church As 't is a high crime to Affront a Judge duly Commissionated Id. 395. so it is no less than Rebellion for an able Lawyer without a Commission to assume to himself the Office and Authority of a Judge And why it should be in Temporal Judges and not in Spiritual appointed by God as the Bishops are in the opinion of this Lord Chief Justice Hales I cannot see I am sure 't was ever thought so by all sober Christians till our unhappy Rebellion nurs'd People up in Schism and Disobedience Were it Episcopacy but an Human Ordinance of yesterday Thorndike prim Gov. of Chs. p. 197. establish'd by due course of right let me be bold to say that if Aerius withdrew his Submission to it he must come within Epiphanius's list of Hereticks not understanding an Heretick in St. Augustin's sense to be none but he that will not believe some point of Doctrine necessary as the means of Salvation to be believ'd but according to the latitude of the Word taking all to be Hereticks that make Sects and Assemble themselves a part besides the Church of God Lawfully Settled As for Episcopal Ordination that was accounted as necessary in the primitive Church to
Momentous particulars 1. It was a Primitive and Fundamental Power and Duty of See Municipium Ecclesiasticum printed 1697. Bishops to convene in Synods without restriction 2ly All Ecclesiastical Rights are so Spiritual that they cannot be by Allowance and Approbation of God or his Church vested in any one in form of a Temporal Right but only on this Condition that the parties intrusted with them continue in the Unity of the Catholick Church and their own Provincial Bishops as Prelates of it having immediate care of their Souls What Princes have no Rightful Authority to do that they may Municipium Eccl. p. 100. irresistibly do upon an uncontroulable Domination and Impunity Upon which when they presume to repress our Rights and Liberties if it be in matters Necessary they are to be disobeyed in Fact and submitted to as to their Legal Processes without resistance The Church is Subject to all Common-Wealths where it is Thornd prim Ch. gov p. 89. maintain'd in Temporal matters In those which concern the Soul whom shall we think our Lord leaveth her in charge with but those whom he trusteth with the Keys of his House Our Church acknowledges the King to be Supreme in all Causes Ans to several Capt. Qu. p. 36. and over all Persons Ecclesiastical viz. that no Quality in the Church nor Cause of the Church exempts a Subject from the Secular Laws and the Sword of Justice which may be very true as it undoubtedly is yet all manner of Obedience in Religious matters shall not presently become due to the King For when Sovereigns require the Subjects to do things contrary to Religion if their Subjects give but one manner of Obedience to their Laws which goes with us under the Name of Passive Obedience it saves at once their Acknowledgment of the Sovereigns Supremacy over them and of Gods Supremacy over all So that we are not oblig'd by our Oath to become Calvinists c. nor in a word to be of the King's Religion but to submit to his Authority let his Religion be what it will c. If by the Parliaments changing the Church of England you mean Id. p. 25. that Parliaments can make the Religion profess'd by the Church of England to become a false Religion when their Inclinations are once vary'd from us then I tell you that the Church of England is not changeable by English Parliaments nor by all the Powers of the Earth for this matter is fix'd to their hands and can never be unfixt to the end of the World No Ordinance of Secular State can deprive our Church of its Hill's Cath. Bal. p. 99. essential Rights given us from God but only lay Temporal Punishments on us for the use of them without their permission Which if it be absolutely necessary for us at any time to do in Opposition to the State Our Ecclesiastical Acts are not Null but valid to all effects Purely Ecclesiastical and we can but suffer and despise the Penalty The Romanists triumph that we have no Power to meet in Id. p. 122 Convocation without Royal Licence nor at Liberty when there to dispute one Question without the Kings Allowance nor are our Conclusions valid without the King's Ratification whether Catholick Heretick Heathen Turk or Jew on pain of hampering by Praemunire's c. But here it is to be remember'd that these are Impositions of the State for which the Church is not bound to advocate if they are Persecutions but if men would be just they would pass the most favourable interpretations on publick Sanctions and herein conclude that these Statutes were intended not for Persecution but for Caution only against those extravagancies which the Church had abus'd its freedom to the Kings always graciously promising us on request opportunity to Convene and discuss our Matters as to us shall seem Convenient that we might have no cause to think that their Laws are intended for Persecution And for the Kings Ratification it is justly necessary not meerly to an Ecclesiastical effect but that our Censures for breach of these Canons may be seconded upon the Contumacious by the Writ De Excommunicato Capiendo c. It being no reason that the King should be the Churches Hackney without any consent of his own But if any Prince should Pervert these advantages to a Persecution we must then do our duty and fear no Sufferings We hold our Benefices by humane Right our Offices of Priests Bramhal Vindic. Ord. p. 77. and Bishops by Divine Right and Humane Right But put the case we did hold our Bishopricks only by Humane Right is it one of your cases of Conscience that a Sovereign Prince may justly take away from his Subjects any thing which they hold by Humane Right If one man take from another that which he holds justly by the Law of Man he is a Thief and a Robber by the Law of God The substance of what has been said upon these two last Queries amounts to this 1. That Toleration may excuse a Schismatick from the Penalty but not from the guilt of Schism 2. That Communicating with Schismaticks because Tolerated makes the crime less dangerous but not less sinful 3. That tho' Persecution or extreme Severity in Governours may make some men thro' humane frailty to comply with a Schismatical Church yet that will not excuse them from Schism in the sight of God because they ought to obey God rather than Man 4. That tho' the Prince be Supreme in Ecclesiastical Causes yet he cannot alter Religion at his pleasure or injoyn a Sinful Worship and if he do's 't is no Sin but a duty to disobey him 5. The Bishops and Governors of the Church in such a case are bound to defend the Rights of the Church against him as the Primitive Christians did against the Heathen Emperours 6. That all even Kings are liable to Church Censures Q. Whether a Prince being Excommunicated by the Church may be Resisted Depos'd or Murder'd by his Subjects A. It is contrary to the nature of Excommunication tho' in the Falkner Christian Loyalty p. 316. highest degree that any person and especially a Sovereign Prince should thereby lose those Temporal Rights which are not founded in their relation to the Church Indeed in Christian Kingdoms there are ordinarily some Temporal Penalties and abatement of Legal Privileges inflicted upon the persons Excommunicate But this is not the natural Effect of that sentence but is added thereto by the Civil Government and Sovereignty under which such persons do live And therefore no such thing can take place with respect to Sovereign Princes who have no Temporal Superiour to annex this as a Penalty Sovereign Princes are not liable to the Sentence of Excommunication Id. 318. in the same manner with Christian Subjects A Sovereign is capable of losing and forfeiting his relation to the Society of the Christian Church as well as other persons because as Mr. Thorndike Rt. of the Ch.