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A41212	A compendious discourse upon the case, as it stands between the Church of England and of Rome on the one hand, and again between the same Church of England and those congregations which have divided from it on the other hand together with the treatise of the division of the English church and the Romish, upon the Reformation / enlarged with some explicatory additionalls by H.F. ...	Ferne, H. (Henry), 1602-1662.	1655 (1655)	Wing F790; ESTC R5674	55,518	166

onely in matters of Discipline but Doctrine also as that of Arles for rebaptizing them which came from Hereticks denying the Trinity can. 8. The Melivetan Council determined against the Pelagean Heresie The third Council of Toledo gathered for extinguishing the Reliques of that Heresie which had long infected the Gothick Nation and hindered the meeting and benefit of such Councils as King Riccared who called that nationall Synod complaines in his speech to the Bishops then assembled Againe these Councils were gathered and held and did conclude independently on Rome or without acknowledgement of any such Jurisdiction as was after challenged by the Bishop of Rome Faire respect indeed was had to that Bishop in a fraternall way of Communion and sometimes of communicating to him what they had done and concluded as that first Council of Arles Fratri Sylvestro and charitativè significamus In the third Council of Carthage Can. 47. for reading nothing in the Church but Canonicall Scripture it is added Hoc innotescat fratri con-sacerdoti Bonifacio I suppose they mean Boniface Bishop of Rome vel aliis earum partium Episcopis to the end this Canon might be received and practised in those parts But presently after in the fourth Council in which S. Augustine was when the Liberty of their Church seemed to be infringed through a kinde of Jurisdiction challenged by the same Boniface in the point of Appeals they utterly rejected his Plea which he made by the generall Council of Nice but could not prove it So he that looks into the severall Councils of Toledo will finde no signification of a dependance on Rome but great acknowledgement of the religious care of their severall Kings by whose permission they assembled The Church of England therefore being such a Nationall Church and having like power might lawfully reform it self without asking the Bishop of Rome any leave or without staying for a free generall Councill for albeit such a Councill was in agitation yet could not be expected either a generall one because of the Division of the East or Westerne Churches or a free one because of the Popes exorbitant power as Tr. 1. cap. 4. And as it might so it did justly reforme casting off in the first place that Papall usurpation which hindered all Reformation but desining nothing against the definitions of known and approved Generall Councils within the compasse of which time Cardinall Perroun thinks it reasonable the triall of a Church be restreined as Tr. 1. c. ult unlesse some will quarrel at something of Discipline not retained in our church according to the ancient constitutions which being a matter of prudentiall Provision admits variation according to the Exigence of the Times Also it is cleare that Nationall Synods have not held themselves alwayes bound to all things determined formerly in that kinde but have put the receptions of such Canons to the vote as we see in the beginning of the first of Toledo Statuta Concilii Niceni The Statutes of the Council of Nice about Ordinations before not used among them are voted there to be observed Also we finde they frequently make relaxation of former rigour as in the injunctions of penance Lastly it is evident there are many constitutions of this kinde not reteined or observed by the Church of Rome Such as concern the exercise of publique Penance such as forbid the translating of a Bishop from City to City and Ordinations without a Title things determined in generall Councils Of this as to the point of single life of Clergy men T. 2 c. 1. of the whole point of the warrantableness of our Reformation Tr. 2. c. 2. §. VI Answer to the Romish Plea Upon these Grounds it is easie to answer what they object or pretend against us which that it may have the better impression upon the unwary they represent the Church of England before Reformation wholly Romish professing their Doctrine ever since the receiving of the Faith in this Land under Gregory the first Bishop of Rome acknowledging that jurisdiction and accordingly yeilding Obedience to that See yea and owing it as Duty upon the conversion of this Land From these premises their Inference is and they think it will take with the unwary That the Church of England by her Reformation has cast off the Faith received and so fallen into Heresie and by denying subjection to that See has incurred the guilt of Schisme But as there is some truth apparent in the Premises so as much Falshood supposed and taken for granted which renders the Inferences inconsequent and invalid First it is a Truth that the Nationall Church of England before the Reformation was generally Romish both for Doctrine professed in it and for Obedience yielded to the Bishop of Rome but then the Inference they make therefore the Protestant Church of England is a New Church or Hereticall is invalid because it rests upon this untruth supposed and taken by them for granted viz. that the Romish Church was alwaies such teaching such Doctrine and that the profession of such Doctrine makes a Church to be Catholique and the denyall of it renders it Hereticall all which they must prove to make good that Inference where as it is evident that the Catholique Christian Faith once delivered Jude 5. Christ alwaies professed in all ages and into which they and we baptise makes a Christian Church and the holding that Faith undefiled and free from Errours and Corruptions in Belief and Worship makes a pure and Orthodox Church So did the ancient Church of Rome hold the Faith so does the reformed Church of England hold and professe it freed from the mixture of Errour which had crept into the later Romish Church to the infecting of the English so that this National Church is so farre from being Hereticall by ceasing to be Romish that it is therefore the more pure and Orthodox Upon the like supposals false and impertinent they give pretence plausible to the unwary for that demand Shew such a Protestant Church in England before the Reformation as if every Nationall Church did alwaies teach the same Doctrine without mixture of such Errour generally prevailing or as if it were reasonably required of us to shew the Church of England alwaies Protestant i.e. protesting against Errors whereas the Errours were not alwaies nor at first known or to shew a Reformed Church before the Reformation made For though Truth be alwaies before Errour yet Errour is before Reformation which protests against it and casts it out So the English Church as corrupted with Romish Errours must needs be so before it could be Protestant or Reformed but the Catholick Truths it alwaies held made it a Christian Church even under that mixture of Errours so when by Reformation it had cast them off it remained the same Christian Church but a more pure and sound one holding still the same Catholick Truths without that mixture of Errour like as the ancient Christian Church did before Popery

Bishops strictly taken was communicated to Presbyters in common To the witnessing of this it is not possible to force Antiquity no not S. Jerome alone All that seems to speak any thing that way amounts but to this that they were used in the Government and things done with their advise and counsel that they were more used in Ages before St. Jerome than in his time and there was some reason for it as I said because by that time provision was made in most Cases by the many Canons and Constitutions of the Church §. XVI Of the ordination of our Bishops received from Rome There are some slight exceptions and allegations they make which are fit onely to take with the ignorant as that we had our Bishops from Rome but they desire to conform to other Reformed Churches which want Bishops They that cannot distinguish the Times several conditions and concernments of the Roman Church may be startled at every mention made of Rome but we are not ashamed to acknowledge we thence received Bishops from whence we received the Christian Faith both went together same Faith and same Government first in the British then in the English Conversion of this Nation and indeed in all Nations where Christianity was planted In the time then of Gregory the first Ordination of Bishops was here received with the Faith and ever since has been continued from hand to hand in this Nationall Church Of this seeming prejudice more largely Tr. 2 c. 4 5. But to return the Enquiry upon the New Pastors of the New Churches Classicall or Congregationall If it should be demanded Whence have they their Ordination They cannot give any reasonable account nor hold up their heads in the defence of their Pastors and Churches against any Romanist much lesse against any true English Protestant or obedient Son of this Church Challenging them of Schism in departing from their lawfull Governors and Pastors and taking to themselves a Power never given them As for the Reformed Churches which have not Bishops their defect is nothing comparable to the fulness of the whole Catholick Church to the practice of which they ought in all reason to conform Especially seeing those Churches had but tumultuary Reformations and no marvel then in they were not fully regular in their constitution Nor does the example of those Churches come home to the Case in hand there being a wide difference between Wanting or not having Bishops and casting them out when they have them Besides this all the forreign Churches approved Bishops in this Church and their most learned men acknowledged a want in their own excusing it as proceeding of necessity rather then choice as Tr. 2. c. 3. Nor can it justifie those that divide from us to say they joyn with other Reformed Churches for first they must answer for the Schism in forsaking the Communion of this Church and as their Case is not the same with that of the Churches abroad so cannot those Churches justly receive them having broken the Communion of this Therefore was it so carefully provided for in many Councils of the Ancient Church that none should travail to any forreign Church without his Communicatory letters to testifie his Communion with the Church he came from before he could be received to Communion in the Other And this to preserve Unity And thus much touching the Government §. XVII Exceptions in regard of the publick worship Now to the usuall exceptions made against the Communion of the Church of England in the point of Publick Worship the Liturgy administration of Sacraments Rites and Ceremonies used in this Church by reason whereof they could not as they pretend Worship God purely in Spirit and Truth This Assembling or meeting together and joyning in the publick divine Service especially in the participation of the Sacrament or Eucharist is indeed the witnessing and exercising of that Communion which is and must be held between all the Members of the same Church So they Act. 2. 42. in such duties and in breaking of bread So the Apostle calls earnestly for it Heb. 10. 25. and cap. 13. 15 and insinuates the Communion of them that are in the Chu by their eating and partaking of One Altar v. 10. the participation of that Altar being the Eucharist And according to this expression was the phrase of the ancient Church {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} and {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} to be within or without the Altar i e. in or out of the Communion of the Church and to set up Altar against Altar i. e. a new Communion against the Communion of the Church Lastly the Apostle 1. Cor. 10. 17. One Bread One Body the joynt participation of One Bread shewes them to be of one Body holding the Unity of the Church and withall it shewes what a dangerous thing it is for any to abstein causlesly or to separate from the Communion of the Church of which they are Members But see in particular what they pretend as Causes of their Separation There is indeed nothing alledged now but has been before by the Contentious which have disturbed the peace of this Church from Time to Time and has been often at large and learnedly refuted and those that understand themselves being not swayed with faction and passion have received satisfaction but because my intent is still to afford some present satisfaction to them that are now troubled and more easie to be wrought upon I shall briefly and plainly speak to those exceptions against our Church-communion which usually prevaile with such persons First that our Liturgy or Common Prayer was taken out of the Masse-book This is of the same seasoning with that of our Bishops deriving their ordination from Rome fit onely to distast the weak who are offended with any thing that smells of Rome But as we said of Bishops we had them from that Church from which we received the Christian Faith and then when we received it so we say of our Liturgy it has no more of the Masse or publique service of the Romish Church than was received and continued from the Ancient Church and was agreeable to the Christian faith And to retein so much was according to that Christian Prudence and Charity used in our Reformation that would have no more opposition to them we were forced to differ from then must needs Whatever the prevailing Errors and Corruptions of After-times had brought into their Mass Reformation cast out And some of those learned Bishops and Clergy who were chief instruments of the Reformation and Composers of our Liturgy in that frame it had sealed the Reformation and their renouncing of Popish Errors with their Bloud and we challenge them to shew any such Popish corruption reteined in our Liturgy and might think it enough to oppose the judgement of other Reformed Churches approving it with which they might also rest satisfied if they did not too much value their own But more particularly Two