settling of their myndes consciencies to the Positions and Answeres of a man so contentiouse As on the other side if these so manifest Examples proue not plainely what you are it profiteth not to bring more copie where store sufficient is not considered Of the Buts Which M. Iewel vseth with D. Harding CAP. VII THe marke that M. Iewel shooteth at is to Refel D. Hardings answer which how many wayes he hath pricked and roued at as also how artificially he hath bestowed his strength therein I haue by example declared And now I thinke it good to shew what buts he vseth Such buts of his I meane which like an Hypocrite he would seeme to haue set vp of his own motion where as in deede D. Harding had made them vnto him before that he should not al at pleasure Roue or hobbe abrode at euery marke y t liked his fansie As in Exāple D. Har. thought it good before he should speak of Sole receiuing or priuate Masse shortly to alleage such authorities by which y ◠Masse or Sacrifice of y e new testastament was cōfirmed Against which M. Iew. speaketh his worst proueth three leaues together y e either the witnesses be not lawful either that they proue not Priuate Masse Now the Trueth being this y ◠D. Har. brought thē not in to confirme Priuate Masse M. Iewel therefore least he might seeme to haue taken his Marke amisse so long togeather as three leaues are in his Replie he commeth as I saie from Rouing abowte the mater to the very state thereof saieinge BVT he wil saie The first Example Iew. 12. wel shott he alleged al these doctours to an other purpose to proue the Sacrifice Wil he saie so M. Iewel and hath he not rather saied it alreadie Are not these his expresse wordes that although you in a printed Sermon Har. 24. and preached at Poules Crosse pretend enemitie against Priuate Masse in word yet in deede that you extēd your whole witt and cunning vtterly to abolisshe the vnbloudy and dayly Sacrifice of the Churche And hereupon doth not he name shortly the Authorities by which he might proue the vnbloudy Sacrifice In the end of which maketh he not a transition saieing Now this presupposed that the Masse standeth vpon good and sufficient groundes let vs come to our special purpose saie somewhat o◠Priuate Masse What vanitie then was it of yours M. Iewel to make so greate a talke against the witnesses alleged that they proue not Priuate Masse for which yet they were not brought and how like an Hypocritie come you in with your But he wil saie he alleged al these Doctours to an other purpose whereas D. Harding so plainely declared it that in deede he vsed them not for profe of priuate Masse but only of the dayly and vnbloudy Sacrifice After a like sort The 1. Example concerning the nūber of Canons which were made in the first Nicene Councel you aske this question and to seeming oppose your Aduersarie with it saieing What leadeth M. Harding to saie Iew. 239 The bishope of Rome hath these three score and ten Canons in safe keeping Why doth he thus dissemble and mocke the world Certainely the bishope of Rome himselfe disclameth it and saith he hath them not for thus he writeth touching the same There are in the Church of Rome only twentie Canons of the Councel of Nice By what negligence the rest are lost it is not knowen The Pope saieth there are but twentie Canons extant M. Harding saieth there are three score and ten Canons I trow it is no reason we should beleue M. Harding and leaue the Pope It is no reason in deede Yet if they speake not contrarie one to the other then is it no Reason that you should in such sort handle the mater as though thei were repugnant For true it is that as y e Pope saied there are but twentie Canons extāt yet y t there were once more then twentie it appereth by these wordes which folow immediatly By what negligence the rest are lost it is not knowen Also that there were in Tyme Past three score and ten Canons of the Councel of Nice Har. 104. true it is and so it is saied of D. Harding but that there are at this Present Tyme so manie he saieth it not though you boldly report it of hym to make A Contradiction betwene hym and the Pope Now maie we thinke that you perceiued not this much by yourselfe Yeas without al doubt you dyd and therefore not ignorant that you had ouershott your selfe and that the Catholike would bring you from your Rouing to certaine and set Markes yourselfe come welfauoredly to them and saie BVT Steuen the Bishope of Rome saieth there were sometyme in Rome the ful three score and ten Canons O M. Iewel doe you see that this wil be your Answer Or rather that so much is included in the wordes of Pope Stephanus And yet dyd you bring his Testimonie in to proue D. Hardings report false which saied no more then that the whole number of these three score and ten Canons was kept diligently in the Church of Rome Tel vs now who dissimbleth Or who mocketh the world And therefore was not this BVT of yours first consydered before you dyd so sharply inueigh against D. Harding For both the Pope and he speakyng of the Tyme Past it is true that three score and ten Canons of the Nicene Councel were in Rome And the Pope speakyng of the tyme Present that twentie only are extant is not contrarie to hym that speaketh of y t Tyme Past saieng that three score and ten Canons were kept in Rome And therefore it may be iustly returned vpon you againe M. Iewel that Non satis commodè diuisa sunt temporibus tibi Daue haec Iew. 237 Let vs bring an other Example The third Example To proue the Souerantie of the Churche of Rome D. Har. allegeth S. Iren. saieing Iren. lib. 3. cap. 3. Ad hanc ecclesiam propter maiorem principalitatem c. To this Church of Rome it is necessarie all the Churches that is to saye al that be faithful any where to repaire come togeather for the mightier Principalitie of the same In answering to this testimonie first saieth M. Iewel Irenaeus speaketh not of the Supremacie Rouing Then saieth M. Iewel againe Irenaeus writeth only against Valentinus tinus Cerdon and Marcion old Heretikes whom he biddeth for trial of their doctrine to behold the Churches which the Apostles planted After this he telleth vs y ◠Ireneus resteth specially vpon the Example of the Church of Rome by this rouing he would haue it thought that he hath not Answered nothing And then it foloweth But they wil Replie Irenaeus saieth propter maiorem principalitatem Iew. 244 Hypocrite Haue ye founde it now at length and dyd ye not perceaue at the first alleging of Ireneus y ◠y ◠force of
saie we neede no Councel to restore Gods Truth that was taken awaie from vs without a Councel Euerie prince is bound in the whole to see the reformation of his owne Church and Countri Neither wil God hold him excused if he saie I wil tarye til al other Princes and the whole world doe the Lyke Iosue that noble prince when he had assembled al the tribes of Israel before him thus he spake vnto them Si malum vobis videtur c. If ye thinke it il to serue the Lord ye shal haue your choise But I and my house wil serue the Lord. Is it Lawful then to refuse the Nicene Councel euen in this respect only as it consisted of Chiefe heades and Gouernours of al Christendome Tertul. aduersuâ— Praxeâ— It pleased God to plant his Church in this Realme three hundred yeres before the first General Councel was holden at Nice The Lordes hand is not shortened He is likewise hable nowe to reforme the same by his holie word without tarieing for a General Councel For Antiquitie TErtullian saieth Hoc aduersus omnes Haereses valet id esse veruÌ„ quodcunque prius c. This marke preuai leth Against al Heresies That is the Trueth that was vsed first That is false and corrupt that was brought in afterward And therefore the holy fathers in the Councel of Nice made this general shoute and agreed vpon the same 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Let the AuncieÌ„t orders hold stil referring themselues thereby to the vse and order of the Primitiue Church Contrarywyse Valentinus Marcion and other Lyke Heretykes thought themselues wisest of al others and therefore vtterly refused as M. Harding and his felowes doe now to stand to the Apostles orders Thus Ireneus writeth of them Irenaeus lib. 3. ca. 2. Dicunt se non solum presbyteris c. They wil saie y t thei are wiser not only then other Priestes but also then the Apostles and that they haue found owt the perfite trueth Against Antiquitie NOtwithstanding it appeare by S. Augustine S. Cyprian Iew. 12â— and others that Infantes in the primitiue Church in sundrie places were admitted to the holy Communion yet AFTERWARDE vpon good aduyse they were iustly remoued from it because that benig in that age they were not thought hable to examine and proue theÌ„selues according to the doctrine of S. Paule 1. Cor. 11 and so to eate of that Breade and Drinke of that Cup. By this rekening then they of the primitiue Churche vnderstode not S. Paule so wel as the aftercummers And so hath Tertullians saiâ—ing litle effect how That is the Trueth that was vsed first It wil serue also in this place al that M. Iew. hath gathered Against Fathers and custome as aboue is declared For Vnitie GOD hath other waies and meanes saieth M. Iew. then by the Gouernement of the Bishopes of Rome whereby he hath euer gouerned his Church and preserued Vnitie How proueth he this Mary S. Cyprian saieth Ideo plures c. Therefore there be many Bishopes in the Church Iew 260 that one ruÌ„ning into heresies y â— rest may help e againe Cypr. lib. 3. epi. 13. lib. 4. epi. 9. The Churche is preserued in Vnitie by y e coÌ„sent of bishopes agreing in one And to this end S. Hiecome saieth as is before alleged Nouerint Episcopi c. Let Bishopes vnder staÌ„d In epi. ad Titum cap. 1. that they ought to rule y e Church as al in one Against Vnitie IMmediatly vpoÌ„ y t forsaied wordes foloweth a CoÌ„moÌ„ place against Vnitie As if M. Iewel would plainely protest that when it maketh any thing for his syde then it shal be alowed and praised And y t when the aduersarie would turne it to his purpose then shal it be litle or nothing worthe As in example Iew. 260 Hieron contra Luciferianos S. Hierome saieth Nomine vnitatis fidei Infidelitas scripta est Infidelitie hath ben writen vnder the Name of faith and Vnitie So lykewyse saieth the wyse man In tanto viuentes ignoraÌ„tiae bello Sap. 14. tot tanta mala Pacem appellabant VVhereas they Lyued in such a warr of ignorance so many and so greate mischiefs they called Vnitie What remaineth then now to be folowed of certaintie Or what staie shal there be for a right meanyng affection and trobled conscience If no such hold is to be taken of Fathers Councels Custom c. but that the Enemie wil make it to be forsaken vtterly or daungerously doubted of what Refuge is there left or what Authoritie Shal the Bishopes which are for the tyme rule in the causes of Religion That surely is already so apointed by God and that if it were otherwise should chieflie be wyshed for and procured But what hope is there to haue this graunted of M. Iewel Or if at one time he wil yeld vnto it at an other he will deny it For sometimes he will haue all Bishops equall And what order then can be set there where no one is better then an other Sometimes he will haue differencies and distinctions of Authoritie among them Yet then how little shall that preuaile when he wil not be obedient to that Authority As in example For aequalitie of Bishops S. Hierome wryteth thus vnto Euagrius Iew. 2â— Si Authoritas quaeritur c. If we seeke for Authority the world is greater then the Citie of Rome VVheresoeuer there is a Bishop whether he be at Rome or at Eugubium or at Constantinople or at Rhegium c. he is of like worthines and of like priesthode Because we are not onely led inwardly by Gods Spirit Iew. 257. but allso outwardly by our senses therefore hath Christ appointed not one man to be his Vicar Generall ouer all but euery of his Apostles and so euery Priest to be his Vicar within his diuision So saieth Eusebius B. of Rome Caput Ecclesiae Christus est Epist 3 c. Christ is the heade of the Church And his Vicares be the Priestes that doe their Message in the Churche in the steede of Christ Euery Bishop hath a portion of the Flocke allotted vnto him Iew. 266. Cyp li. 1. Epi. 3. whiche he must rule and gouerne and yeld accoÌ„pt vnto the Lord for the same For distinction emong Bishops The Decrees of the Councel of Nice Iew. 336. Conc. Aphric Ca. 105 haue committed bothe the inferioure clerkes and also the Bishoppes vnto their Metropolitaâ—es The Fathers of the Councell of Aphrica haue decreed thus that the B. of the first See Iew. 240 Ca. 6. be not called the chief of Priests or the highest Priest or by any other like title but only the Bishop of the first See In the Councel of CoÌ„stantinople it is wryten thus Iew. 245 Const 1. Ca. 2. Let the Bishops of Alexandria haue the charge only of the East the honor of primaci euer reserued to the church of Antioch More to this place might
he is the most Bragging Deceitfull and Impudent Hovv true this is it shall appeere by my profes And the profes hovv ready they are it is euident in this present Treatise and shall further appeere by an other vvhich is furth cumming Concerning this vvhich is Printed In the first boke therof I haue brought into a short Table or Sum as it vvere the State of the Question conteined in euery of the foure first Articles The Art of M. Ievvel in sauing himself from Subscription in euery one And the Issue of the CoÌ„trouersy vpoÌ„ vvhich a more direct Ansvver is to be required and more Iust reply to be inferred And in perusing of this part it vvill be quickly seene vvhether I slaunder M. Ievvel in charging him vvith Shifting Falsifing Corrupting and Desperate handeling of such matters as come against him Or no. In the second boke I come to more particular poyntes And declare in seuerall Chapters by most manifest Examples That he hath ouercharged his Boke vvith Common Places needlesse but harmelesse That he starteth into Digressions Impure and frutelesse That he troubleth Consciencies vvith other CoÌ„mon places so frutelesse that they vvill make them faithlesse That he peruerteth D. Hardinges meaning That he disgraceth his Authorities That he vvrangleth vvith him That he dissimbleth or Butteth vvith him That he refelleth one Trueth by an other That he reporteth of him very vncourteously By all vvhich Euidences if it be not sufficiently proued that he is a man of little Modesty Truthe and Conscience I vvill shortly set furth a thirde boke against him In vvhich the abusing of sundry Doctours and vvryters Authorities to the maintenance of his falseheade and Heresy c. shal be so plainly exemplified that I trust it vvill be considered as a true and profitable Conclusion BEVVARE OF M. IEVVEL But novv after all these paines taken sometimes gladly sometimes patientlye but alvvayes faithfully and that to this end that Truthe might be knovven And falsehead detected And that the nevve Doctrine of the late Gospell might either best of all be forsaken or els be better examined Are there none or very fevve that vvill take the paines to reade our Bookes Or if there be that vvould gladly reade them or vvith indifferencye iudge of them is it not lavvfull to bring some in for theÌ„ VVhat haue the Catholikes done of late so vnnaturally or vnreasonablye that from hencefurth they must vvryte no more against the Chalenger Or feare that if they doe vvryte the Vates shall be searched vvhich bring in the Bookes and the Bookes not examined that bring in the Argumentes Is it for our person sake or our cause sake that vve are so excluded Is the place from vvhence vve vvryte or the matter vvhyche vve vvryte coÌ„demned of you It is obiected vnto vs that we are yonge Dyuines The Obiection vvere good if vve folovved the deuises of our ovvne heades and not the lerned Commentaries of most Auncient Fathers But novv the person is young the Conclusion is old And againe the youngest dyuine emong vs that haue vvryten might fiue yeres sense haue proceded vvithout Grace asking and haue gone for a Doctour if it had so liked him in any of this Ages heresies for any exception that vvoulde haue bene made against his Age or lerning Not only as Doctours are made in the Country abrode vvhere he that can Read best Or say vvithout Eoke most Or Rovvle in Termes most fast Or Rayle in deede most loud is Created a Doctour for his labour but as Doctors allso are made at these daies in Vniuersities by Disputing Ansvvering and Grace taking But vve are not the wisest of all the Catholikes VVe may borovv then of our ovvn Company and neuer be in your daunger for lending vs any And yet that alone vvhich vve haue is not so simple but vve are able vvel to perceiue vvher the best of your Arguments faileth But we are the disconted of Louane If Louane it selfe be contented vvith vs the Testimony of such an Vniuersitie should be no reproche vnto vs. As again vvho caÌ„ blame any Catholike in all the vvorld for misliking the ê“cedings of heresy It vvil be said we are fugitiues VVe are not of that kinde of the vvhich it is vvrytten Fugit nemine persequente Prou. 28 he fleeth when no man pursueth him Again vve are not fled so far yet as Geneua is Nor fled in hart or behauiour from the Catholike Faith of all christendome Or from one heresy vnto an other And further it vvil be obiected we liue in disorder In dede vve liue not vnder an hedor vvardeÌ„ depriued of our Collegies vvithout any our fault against the Statutes neither are there here such Offices Charges Romes or Places Vacant by taking of vvhich the persons vvhich in England fulfilled the like very vvorshipfully and vertuouslye might declare hovv they be able to rule theÌ„ selues and also to kepe other in Order yet vve liue vnder the Rule of the holy Commaundementes of God and the approued CanoÌ„s of the Catholike Church And the lavvdable Customes or policies of the places where vve remaine And further yet vve shall be saide to wryte for corrupte and priuate gaine But vve are not vve trust so il frynded that vve neede it or so il disposed that vve minde it Againe they vvhich haue forsaken great and sure liuinges in England of one tvvo or three hundred pound yerely they thought not I beleue to set vp a shoppe beyond sea and by making of nevv bokes and selling them for x. pence or xij pence a peece to reare vp both Priuate and Corrupt gaine vnto themselues To be short we shal be accompted vnnaturall vvhether for sauing our head vvhen a blovv is comming at it Or for leauing our CoÌ„modities vtterly Or chainging of the lesse for the Greater Or for Louing and Fearing of God more then Man Some are so kind to their CouÌ„try that rather then abide the lack of it they care not hovv farre they goe from God And there haue ben in times past some so faithfull to their Princes that vvhether in Sport or Ernest they haue said it he is not worthy of the fauoure of his Prince that would sticke to go to Hell for his Prince But he beleued perchaunse there vvas no Hell at all And so night venter boldlye vvhere by his iudgment there vvas no daunger Othervvise if he had so much light of Eaithe as to confesse an Hel and yet so great blindnesse of Affection as to loue any Creature so much that he vvould cast avvay his ovvne soule for euer the ê“pprely vvas vnnaturall and his saying is Intolerable As for vs God be mercifull and geaue vs the Grace to loue him best nay to loue him vvithout comparison And after him to loue them best vvhich come nighest vnto him either by Image of Vertue or Similitude of Povver and Office euery one yet in his degree and place But all these Obiections I suppose are Personal and may be made
the third borne at those dayes What new kinde of Logike is this Gonifacius was not borne when Iulius lyued ergo it is not likely y e Iulius did restore Athanasius to his roome froÌ„ which heretikes w t y â— Emperous fauor had pulled him downe Again New found Lâ—gyke there was no Glose then to rate y â— degrees of y â— magnitude of the SoÌ„ne aboue y â— Moone applie it to y e Pope Emperour ergo y e Pope y e Emperour are not of vnlike quaÌ„titie iust I trow as the SoÌ„ne Moone are both of one bignesse If this be tru theÌ„ haue you directly aÌ„swered but seing it is false then haue you Idelly wandered But let vs see an other Example Iew. 251 A thirde Example When I heare sayeth M. Iewell M. Hardinge to geue vnto the Bishope of Rome a power peerlesse what doe ye then Prepare your self by liklyhode to Answer him No no you haue other matters to thinke vpon me thinketh say you I heare Doctour Durandus say Hic est Melchisedech c. This is Melchisedech whose priesthode is not comparable vnto others He is the head of all Bishopes from whome al they descend as membres from the head and of whose fulnesse al they receyue Me thinketh I heare that is written by the Canonistes Dominus Deus noster Papa Our lord God the Pope In this point I beleue you wel M. Iew. For Hierâ— as to S. Hierome and other whose thoughtes and mindes were still vpon God that Trumpet of the last day seemed to haue sowned alwaies in their eares so to you which haue such affection to y â— Gloses vpon y t Canon law as though your Chiefe Armour Treasure were in theÌ„ in making war against y â— Supremicie Doctour Durand or Hostiensis Whether doth M. Iewel meditate vpon Gloses for deuotion or knowledge Or Charities sake or Petrus BertraÌ„dus or y t Glose vpoÌ„ Vnam sanctam de Maioritate obedientia are so nigh at hart w t you so ready in your memory y â— for respect of them you forgett y e present question And D.Har. speaking vnto you it seemeth to you it is Doctour Durand Verily M. Iewell this is but your thinking And whether it be through your much Sâ—udie and emptinesse of heade Or through egrenesse of Stomake and abundance of Choler that you be so distracted the truth is D. Har. neither saied it nor alluded in anie parte vnto Dominus Deus noster Papa that you might thinck your self to heare in him the Canonistes speaking But you had a fansie to bring in those wordes And for that cause no Occasion being geuen by D.Har. your owne Thought was your Guyde and Warrant that you might seeme yet to haue some mention made vnto you of D. Durand and the Canonistes lest your digression should haue ben to manifest Now one Example more and then an end of this Chapiter D. Harding to proue that the Publike Seruice of England was in Latine when it was conuerted first vnto the faith he bringeth furth one Iohn Archechaunter of S. Peters Church at Rome which was therefore interteined in England that he should teach the course of Seruice for the whole yere as it was done at S. Peters in Rome Of which this must folow by all reason that if the Church Seruice in England had ben in English An Archechanuter of Rome so great A Stranger had ben nothing a meete Person to teach naturall Englisshmâ—n to Singe Write and Reade in their owne Naturall Tongue But this witnesse sayeth M. Iewell cometh to Late How much to late Mary fower skore yeres For Iohn the Archechaunter Liued in the tyme of Pope Agatho in the yere of our Lord 680. Well this is hard dealing but hereof we shall speake in an other Place In the meane season Iudge thou now indifferent Reader and speake freely hath M. Iewel any occasion geueÌ„ here vnto him to medle with the Popes Decrees or Gloses vpon them None at all For the Argument against him comprehendeth no more but that the Latine Seruice was in England at y â— begynning and his answer stretcheth no further then to the plaine refusall of the witnesse brought in hecause he liued without the cumpasse of the sixe hundred yeres after Christ And this once saied he is at an end Yet see what a tale he will tell thee Iew. 189 For Iohn the Archechaunter sayeth he lyued in the tyme of Pope Agatho in the yere of our Lord 680. in whose name this decree is written Sic omnes sanctiones Apostolicae Sedis c. As much to the matter as the making of a Canon to the taking of a iorney Or the singinge at yorke to the sense of a Rubrike in Law Al the constitutions of the Apostolik see must be receaued so as the if they were confirmed by the very heuenly voice of S. Peter Vnto such a tyrannie the Church of Rome at that tyme was growen And the glose vppon the same saieth Papa sanctitatem suam recipit a Cathedra The Pope receaueth his holynesse of his Chaire Therefore herein M. Harding somewhat misrekened him selfe Wherefore I praie you Because of the forsayed Decree writen in Pope Agatho his name Or the saying of the Glose thervpon No it is plaine that you conclude D. Harding to haue misrekened him selfe because that Pope Agatho lyued in the yere of our Lorde 680. and Iohn the Archechaunter was of the same tyme. Howe now then Doe you proue by the decree and Glose which you full solemly haue alleaged that Pope Agatho lyued in the yere of our Lord 680 But there is no mention of such matter in them Wherefore then haue you brought in the Decree and the Glose You dissemble your Arte or els the consequence and hanginge of this geare together if any at all had bene woulde haue appered But in dede there lacked a poynt of plain deling For wheÌ„ you had once named Pope Agatho you should haue vsed a Therefore or some such like saying Because I haue meÌ„tioned Pope Agatho therfor I wil tel the geÌ„tle Reader what Decree was writen in his name and what the Glose vpon the same saieth In like phrase as a certaine Preacher after he had declared the fall of Adam taken by the eatinge of an Apple Now good people sayed he because I haue tolde you of an Apple which is an Indifferent thing lette vs speake of the fast in Lent Now if you disdain M. Iewel to vse this Therfore of my prompting tie your tale together w t it there is no cause why we may not infer a worse against you I meane this You haue therefore gone so ofte byside the right waie to speaking of Gloses and Caâ—onistes either of a feruent Pasâ—ion of Malice againste the Catholike Faith which made you alwayes greedie of disgracing it Either of a vaine loue towardes your owne prayse which itched you forwarde to vtter your much reading Againe the