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The primitive fathers no papists in answer to the Vindication of the Nubes testium : to which is added an historical discourse concerning invocation of saints, in answer to the challenge of F. Sabran the Jesuit, wherein is shewn that invocation of saints was so far from being the practice, that it was expresly [sic] against the doctrine of the primitive fathers.
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Gee, Edward, 1657-1730.
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Wing G459; ESTC R18594
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the_o relic_n of_o the_o saint_n and_o martyr_n be_v the_o very_a same_o and_o no_o more_o than_o what_o be_v now_o practise_v towards_o they_o by_o the_o order_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o he_o build_v this_o whole_a fancy_n upon_o the_o equivocalness_n of_o some_o word_n and_o action_n use_v then_o as_o well_o as_o now_o but_o that_o i_o may_v ruin_v this_o groundless_a pretence_n and_o all_o his_o jingle_n about_o word_n i_o will_v settle_v and_o prove_v these_o two_o thing_n first_o that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n do_v command_v and_o practice_v the_o worship_n of_o relic_n second_o that_o for_o the_o first_o five_o century_n of_o the_o church_n the_o worship_n of_o relic_n be_v neither_o command_v nor_o practise_v by_o the_o primitive_a church_n for_o the_o proof_n of_o the_o first_o i_o need_v only_o insist_v on_o what_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n in_o her_o twenty-fifth_a and_o last_o session_n do_v decree_n about_o relic_n that_o the_o body_n and_o relic_n of_o the_o saint_n be_v to_o be_v worship_v and_o a_o little_a after_o she_o denounce_v a_o anathema_n against_o all_o that_o shall_v affirm_v that_o veneration_n and_o honour_n be_v not_o to_o be_v pay_v to_o relic_n that_o by_o veneration_n and_o honour_n in_o this_o decree_n religious_a worship_n be_v mean_v may_v be_v clear_v from_o the_o best_a writer_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n who_o use_v the_o word_n veneration_n and_o adoration_n promiscuous_o and_o in_o the_o same_o sense_n thus_o vasques_n the_o great_a schoolman_n 112._o vasques_n in_o par._n 3._o d._n thom._n disp_n 112._o since_o that_o council_n in_o his_o disputation_n upon_o s._n thomas_n have_v propose_v this_o question_n whether_o the_o body_n and_o relic_n of_o the_o saint_n be_v to_o be_v venerate_v answer_n that_o it_o be_v a_o indisputable_a truth_n among_o the_o catholic_n that_o the_o relic_n of_o saint_n whether_o they_o be_v any_o part_n of_o they_o as_o bones_o flesh_n and_o ash_n or_o any_o other_o thing_n that_o have_v touch_v they_o or_o do_v belong_v to_o they_o aught_o to_o be_v adore_v and_o honour_v with_o sacred_a or_o divine_a