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A40151 A controversie which hath been betwixt the Quakers, Protestants and Papists, above this twelve years, concerning the Church Fox, George, 1624-1691. 1666 (1666) Wing F1777; ESTC R15837 9,194 20

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A Controversie which hath been betwixt the Quakers Protestants and Papists above this twelve years Concerning the Church Prot. and Pap. THe Protestants and Papists say their Steeple house is the Church to the Quakers and say to the Quakers what are you wiser then your fore-fathers your fore fathers called it a Church and owned it to be a Church and gave it the Tytle of a Church a Company of Silly people Say they yea would be wiser then all your fore fathers Ministers and priests Clergy and Pope that have called it a Church these many hundred years Qua. Answ We do grant that the Papists and Protestants have called it a Church with the Priests and Clergy and learned men and if that be theirs and their fore fathers wisdome to call it a Church we are wiser then those their fore fathers that said so for we are come to the wisdome of our fore-fathers the Apostles who said Christ shed his blood for his Church and is this the wisdome of you and your fore-fathers that Christ shed his blood for a Steeple house It is the wisdome of our fore-fathers that Christ shed his blood for the people And so the People are the Church and is it the wisdome of your fore-fathers that Christ came to purchase a Steeple house with his blood the Apostle said he purchased the people with his blood the People were the Church and are ye no wiser then your fore-fathers that said the Steeple house was the Church and that Christ purchased it with his blood and the Apostle said that Christ came to sanctifie cleanse purifie and w●sh his Church And is this the wisdome of your fore-fathers that Christ came to cleanse sanctifie and purifie the Steeple-house which the Apostles said was the People and not an old house made with mens hands Christ saith upon this Rock will I build my Church Papists say it is upon Peter that Christ would build his Church What would he set a Steeple house on top of Peter The Church was built upon that which flesh and blood had not revealed to Peter But our Father which is in heaven and Christ sayed Mat. 18. and 19. If thy Brother trespass against thee if he will not hear thee and them then tell it to the Church and what is this the wisdom of your fore-fathers that they mu●t tell it to the Steeple houses that can neither hear not see hath this been the wisdome of your Clergy and fore-fathers and learned men he must tell it to the Church which is the People and if he neglect to hear the Church let him become a heathen man and what can the Steeple house speak is this your fore fathers wisdome It is the People that hath the Title of Church which he neglecteth to hear In Acts the 2. and 47. The Lord added to his Church daily such as should be saved and what was this adding to a Steeple house was this your fore-fathers wisdome your learned men he added to the believers who were the Church not a Steeple house Act. 5.11 Great fear came on all the Church Is this your fore-fathers wisdome that great fear came on the Steeple-house No it was the People that was the Church fear came upon that have the title of the Church Acts the 8. and 1. Great persecution was against the Church what great persecution against the Steeple house is this your learned mens wisdome It was the People that was persecuted and not the Steeple house Acts the 11. and 26. Where they assembled themselves together with the Church what is this your fore-fathers wisdome that the Steeple-house could assemble with the Elders Nay it is the People that assembled with the Apostles and Elders Acts the 14. and 23. They ordained Elders in every Church that is they ordained Elders in every Congregation he does not say they ordeyned Elders in every Steeple-house And when they came together and gathered the Church together then they declared what God had done for them what is this the wisdome of your fore-fathers that they gathered the Steeple houses together and rehears'd to the Steeple house what God had done for them nay this was before the Steeple house was it was the People the Apostles gathered together which had the title of a Church and not an old house And the Apostles were brought on their way by the Church as they passed their journey Acts the 15. and 3. what is this the wisdome of your learned men and fore-fathers that the Steeple house could bring the Apostles on their way No it was the People had the title of a Church who brought the Apostles on their Journey for the Steeple house cannot go It pleased the Apostles and Elders with the whole Church to send chosen men c. Is this the wisdom of your fore-fathers that this whole Church with the Apostles and Elders is a Steeple house Nay it was the People that were the Church the whole People Acts. 18.22 When the Apostles had landed in Cesarea and gon up and saluted the Church What was it the wisdom of your fore-fathers that he went and saluted a Steeple house Nay it was the People that he saluted and gave the title of a Church to Rom. 16.5 Paul saith greet me to the Church that is in thy house so heere you may see the Church was in the house and that it was the People that was in the house and what is this the wisdome of your fore-fathers that the Apostle bid them greet a Steeplehouse Cor. 1 and the 4. The Apostle said I teach in every Church that was in every Congregation he doth not say every Steeple house Cor 14. and 4. He that prophesi●th ed●fieth the Church Is this the wisdom of your Clergy and fore fathers that he edifie● the Steeple house and are you no wiser then they this prophesie was among the People which edified them who had the title of Church In the Church the Apostle saith I had rather speak five words with my understanding then ten thousand in an unknown tongue and this was in a Congregation of People who were called the Church Seek saith the Apostle that you may excell to the edifying of the Church What is this the wisdome of your Fathers that the Steeple house should be edified No it was the People that was to be edified who were the Church And the Apostle saith when the whole Church comes together to one place and all speak with tongues c. Is this the wisdome of your fore-fathers that a Steeple house should gather together and speak with tongues and an unbeliever should come into a Steeple house and think the Steeple house was mad This was the People that was the Church and were gathered together and spoke with tongues The Apostle faith the Spirit of the prophets is subject to the Prophets and God is not the author of confusion but of peace as in all the Churches of the Saints This was in all the congregations of the Saints