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A31449 Vindiciae vindiciarum, or, A further manifestation of M.J.C., his contradictions instanced in Vindiciae clavium being a rejoinder to his reply (to some few of those many contradictions) in his last book called, The way of Congregationall churches cleared, part 2 / by D.C. Cawdrey, Daniel, 1588-1664. 1651 (1651) Wing C1641; ESTC R23919 36,878 62

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part_n 1._o pag._n 219._o the_o power_n of_o the_o key_n be_v in_o the_o church_n of_o believer_n as_o in_o the_o first_o subject_n ib._n p._n 195._o that_o con●●●●_n be_v wide_a to_o make_v one_o first_o subject_n of_o this_o power_n and_o yet_o other_o to_o share_n in_o this_o power_n not_o by_o mean_n of_o that_o for_o this_o be_v to_o speak_v dagger_n and_o contradiction_n ibid._n 10._o pastor_n and_o flock_n be_v relate_v and_o so_o he_o be_v a_o pastor_n to_o none_o but_o his_o own_o congregation_n this_o be_v the_o common_a tenet_n 10._o the_o member_n of_o any_o church_n we_o admit_v to_o the_o lord_n table_n if_o they_o bring_v letter_n testimonial_a and_o their_o child_n to_o baptism_n the_o way_n p._n 68_o the_o key_n 17._o 10._o administration_n of_o sacrament_n be_v a_o ministerial_a act_n and_o what_o authority_n have_v a_o pastor_n to_o do_v it_o or_o they_o to_o receive_v it_o from_o he_o to_o who_o he_o be_v no_o pastor_n m._n h._n survey_v part_n 2.64_o 65._o pastor_n and_o teacher_n may_v pray_v and_o preach_v in_o other_o church_n beside_o their_o own_o but_o not_o administer_v seal_n and_o censure_n bartlet_n model_n p._n 63._o 11._o we_o receive_v the_o sacrament_n of_o the_o lord_n supper_n say_v the_o same_o of_o baptism_n as_o a_o seal_n of_o communion_n not_o only_o with_o the_o lord_n jesus_n in_o our_o own_o church_n but_o in_o all_o church_n of_o the_o saint_n the_o key_n p._n 17._o see_v def._n of_o 9_o pos_fw-la p._n 133_o 134._o 11._o baptism_n and_o so_o the_o other_o sacrament_n seal_v up_o the_o external_a communion_n with_o a_o particular_a church_n etc._n etc._n m._n h._n survey_v par_fw-fr 3._o pag._n 27._o and_o he_o dispute_v against_o it_o be_v to_o the_o catholic_a church_n  _fw-fr 12._o it_o be_v a_o act_n of_o the_o elder_n power_n and_o authority_n to_o examine_v whether_o officer_n or_o member_n before_o they_o be_v receive_v of_o the_o church_n the_o key_n pag._n 21._o 12._o as_o for_o admission_n election_n ordination_n of_o officer_n admission_n and_o shut_v out_o of_o member_n these_o thing_n the_o brethren_n may_v do_v without_o officer_n the_o way_n 45._o 101._o  _fw-fr 13._o ordination_n be_v then_o complete_a when_o the_o people_n have_v choose_v he_o and_o the_o presbytery_n have_v lay_v their_o hand_n on_o he_o the_o key_n p._n 37._o 13._o but_o if_o the_o church_n want_v a_o presbytery_n for_o want_v of_o elder_n they_o want_v a_o warrant_n to_o repair_v to_o the_o presbytery_n of_o another_o church_n to_o impose_v hand_n upon_o their_o elect_a elder_n the_o way_n pag._n 50._o  _fw-fr 14._o paul_n and_o barnabas_n be_v ordain_v to_o that_o office_n of_o apostleship_n by_o the_o imposition_n of_o hand_n of_o some_o officer_n or_o member_n of_o the_o church_n the_o way_n p._n 45._o 14._o in_o act._n 13.2_o 3._o there_o be_v no_o ordination_n to_o office_n at_o all_o for_o the_o apostle_n have_v their_o office_n before_o m._n h._n survey_v part_n 2._o p._n 83._o this_o be_v not_o to_o put_v a_o new_a office_n upon_o they_o but_o to_o confirm_v their_o send_n to_o the_o gentile_n ib._n p._n 60._o 14._o this_o be_v do_v in_o a_o particular_a church_n the_o key_n p._n 29._o the_o officer_n of_o one_o church_n do_v what_o as_o do_v in_o a_o ordinary_a way_n suru._n par_fw-fr 2._o 83._o then_o it_o follow_v by_o m._n c._n his_o doctrine_n that_o the_o apostle_n who_o be_v officer_n of_o all_o church_n be_v ordain_v in_o a_o particular_a church_n or_o that_o officer_n of_o one_o church_n may_v be_v ordain_v in_o another_o church_n which_o he_o say_v be_v unwarrantable_a the_o way_n p._n 50._o 15._o what_o if_o the_o whole_a presbytery_n offend_v the_o ready_a course_n be_v to_o bring_v the_o matter_n to_o a_o synod_n the_o key_n p._n 43._o 15._o there_o be_v a_o ready_a and_o near_a way_n the_o brethren_n may_v censure_v they_o all_o the_o way_n p._n 45._o if_o the_o congregation_n be_v find_v faithful_a and_o willing_a to_o remove_v a_o offence_n by_o due_a censure_n why_o shall_v the_o offence_n be_v call_v up_o to_o more_o public_a judicature_n etc._n etc._n key_n p._n 42._o  _fw-fr 16._o it_o belong_v to_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n to_o establish_v pure_a religion_n in_o doctrine_n worship_n and_o government_n partly_o by_o civil_a punishment_n upon_o the_o wilful_a opposer_n and_o disturber_n of_o the_o same_o the_o key_n p._n 50._o 16._o yet_o the_o brethren_n here_o call_v for_o or_o tolerate_v toleration_n of_o all_o opinion_n and_o deny_v the_o magistrate_n power_n to_o punish_v any_o pretend_v conscience_n bartlet_n model_n 128._o 16._o see_v m._n bartl_n model_n p._n 25._o contra_fw-la 17._o visible_a saint_n though_o they_o be_v hypocrite_n inward_o be_v the_o matter_n of_o a_o visible_a church_n m._n h._n sur._n par_fw-fr 1._o p._n 14_o 15._o 17._o you_o say_v saint_n in_o outward_a profession_n be_v the_o matter_n of_o a_o congregational_a church_n we_o judge_v that_o real_a saint_n utter_v in_o discourse_n the_o breathe_n of_o the_o holy_a spirit_n and_o experience_n of_o conversion_n witness_v in_o a_o strict_a conversation_n to_o be_v the_o matter_n d._n holmes_n ep._n to_o way_n clear_v p._n 4_o 17._o m._n bartlet_n speak_v something_o this_o language_n can_v there_o ba_o ability_n for_o spiritual_a and_o holy_a service_n where_o the_o spirit_n be_v not_o yet_o give_v can_v there_o be_v communion_n between_o light_n and_o darkness_n can_v they_o edify_v one_o another_o in_o the_o faith_n that_o have_v not_o yet_o the_o work_n of_o faith_n wrought_v in_o they_o mod._n p._n 57_o see_v more_o p._n 103._o 18._o the_o form_n of_o the_o visible_a church_n be_v the_o covenant_n either_o explicit_a or_o implicit_a and_o the_o latter_a be_v sometime_o full_o sufficient_a m._n h._n sur._n par_fw-fr 1._o pag._n 47_o 48._o and_o other_o 18._o you_o say_v a_o implicit_a unite_n viz._n a_o walk_a and_o communicate_v with_o you_o be_v a_o sufficient_a evidence_n of_o the_o form_n we_o say_v their_o solemn_a confession_n of_o their_o faith_n and_o express_v open_a covenant_v with_o the_o lord_n to_o walk_v with_o such_o a_o body_n of_o saint_n in_o all_o the_o way_n of_o christ_n etc._n etc._n to_o be_v the_o manifest_a form_n d._n holm_n ib._n 18._o it_o be_v not_o general_a profession_n will_v serve_v the_o turn_n but_o there_o must_v be_v a_o peculiar_a engagement_n and_o appropriation_n to_o this_o or_o that_o particular_a body_n m._n h._n sur._n p._n 63._o yet_o he_o say_v a_o implicit_a covenant_n be_v sufficient_a 19_o we_o crave_v leave_v of_o the_o reverend_a author_n of_o the_o key_n to_o declare_v that_o we_o assent_n not_o to_o all_o expression_n or_o all_o and_o every_o assertion_n in_o it_o as_o in_o these_o particular_n 1._o about_o prophesy_v by_o gift_a brethren_n 2._o that_o the_o assembly_n act._n 15._o be_v a_o formal_a synod_n 3._o that_o the_o apostle_n act_v in_o it_o as_o ordinary_a elder_n praef._n to_o the_o key_n p._n 6._o 19_o we_o do_v in_o this_o epistle_n certify_v our_o assent_n 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denounce_v it_o be_v a_o censure_n 21._o we_o say_v institute_v privilege_n and_o ordinance_n do_v not_o immediate_o flow_v from_o spiritual_a union_n and_o relation_n to_o christ_n and_o his_o member_n etc._n etc._n def._n or_o 9_o portion_n p._n 76._o he_o must_v come_v at_o they_o in_o a_o right_a order_n i._n e._n the_o party_n must_v be_v a_o member_n pf_o a_o particular_a congregation_n suru._n par_fw-fr 2._o p._n 65._o 21._o then_o it_o follow_v that_o hear_v the_o word_n preach_v sing_v of_o psalm_n and_o baptism_n belong_v not_o to_o any_o but_o to_o such_o as_o be_v member_n of_o a_o particular_a congregation_n and_o yet_o they_o say_v ordinary_a hear_n be_v no_o sign_n of_o a_o church-member_n sur._n par_fw-fr 1._o p._n 18._o 21._o a_o person_n have_v his_o first_o right_n to_o a_o sacrament_n and_o so_o to_o other_o ordinance_n because_o he_o have_v a_o interest_n in_o the_o covenant_n of_o the_o gospel_n survey_v par_fw-fr 2._o 65._o
vindiciae_fw-la vindiciarum_fw-la or_o a_o further_a manifestation_n of_o m._n j._n c._n his_o contradiction_n instance_a in_o vindiciae_fw-la clavium_fw-la be_v a_o rejoinder_n to_o his_o reply_n to_o some_o few_o of_o those_o many_o contradiction_n in_o his_o last_o book_n call_v the_o way_n of_o congregationall_a church_n clear_v part._n 2._o by_o d._n c._n james_n 1.8_o a_o double_a mind_a man_n be_v unstable_a in_o all_o his_o way_n veritas_fw-la simplex_fw-la error_n multiplex_fw-la london_n print_v by_o a._n m._n for_o christopher_n meredith_n at_o the_o sign_n of_o the_o crane_n in_o pauls-church-yard_n 1651._o vindiciae_fw-la vindiciarum_fw-la chapter_n i._n section_n i._o of_o the_o church_n to_o which_o christ_n commit_v the_o power_n of_o the_o key_n the_o question_n between_o we_o in_o this_o first_o section_n be_v concern_v the_o meaning_n of_o those_o word_n the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n in_o mat._n 16.19_o and_o consequent_o what_o church_n it_o be_v to_o which_o the_o key_n be_v by_o christ_n commit_v for_o the_o find_n out_o whereof_o i_o proceed_v by_o a_o distinction_n it_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n do_v there_o signify_v the_o church_n it_o must_v either_o be_v take_v 1._o of_o the_o invisible_a church_n of_o true_a believer_n oppose_v to_o reprobate_n 2._o the_o catholic_a visible_a church_n oppose_v to_o heathen_n or_o as_o you_o in_o answer_v the_o first_o question_n pag._n 2._o of_o key_n to_o the_o world_n 3._o or_o a_o particular_a congregation_n give_v i_o leave_v i_o pray_v to_o be_v now_o little_o more_o exact_a in_o state_v the_o question_n by_o inquire_v what_o be_v the_o sense_n of_o those_o word_n and_o the_o term_n of_o the_o question_n both_o 1._o what_o be_v mean_v by_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n 1._o of_o glory_n 2._o of_o grace_n 3._o of_o both_o 1._o what_o be_v mean_v by_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n whereof_o the_o key_n be_v here_o give_v to_o peter_n the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n in_o scripture_n usage_n signify_v 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