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your_o purpose_n though_o the_o care_n of_o the_o universal_a church_n be_v attribute_v to_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n though_o he_o act_n and_o call_v council_n and_o order_n other_o thing_n out_o of_o his_o own_o province_n yet_o all_o this_o prove_v not_o the_o supremacy_n you_o intend_v for_o this_o be_v no_o more_o than_o other_o bishop_n do_v who_o you_o will_v not_o acknowledge_v to_o be_v head_n of_o the_o church_n or_o universal_a bishop_n in_o that_o sense_n 2._o a_o universal_a bishop_n denote_v a_o peculiar_a dignity_n over_o the_o church_n within_o the_o roman_a empire_n for_o which_o two_o thing_n will_v be_v sufficient_a to_o manifest_v it_o 3._o 1._o that_o the_o roman_a empire_n be_v then_o account_v universal_a 2._o that_o some_o bishop_n in_o the_o great_a church_n be_v on_o that_o account_n call_v ecumenical_a or_o universal_a bishop_n 1._o that_o the_o roman_a empire_n be_v then_o account_v universal_a for_o which_o multitude_n of_o testimony_n may_v be_v cite_v in_o which_o orbis_fw-la romanus_n and_o orbis_fw-la humanus_fw-la be_v look_v on_o as_o synonymous_n thence_o trebellius_n pollio_n in_o macrianus_n qui_fw-la ex_fw-la diversis_fw-la partibus_fw-la orbis_fw-la romani_fw-la restituant_fw-la and_o as_o salmasius_n witness_v in_o those_o writer_n of_o the_o imperial_a history_n 306_o most_o of_o the_o ancient_a m_o s_o s._n for_o orbis_fw-la romanus_n have_v orbis_fw-la humanus_fw-la for_o as_o he_o say_v eâ_fw-la gloriâ_fw-la fuerunt_fw-la romani_fw-la ut_fw-la totum_fw-la orbem_fw-la suum_fw-la vocarent_fw-la hinc_fw-la orbis_fw-la romanus_n passim_fw-la apud_fw-la auctores_fw-la reperitur_fw-la pro_fw-la universo_fw-it orbe_fw-la thence_o they_o call_v the_o roman_a people_n omnium_fw-la gentium_fw-la victorem_fw-la and_o from_o hence_o ammianus_n marcellinus_n call_v rome_n 16._o caput_fw-la mundi_fw-la the_o head_n of_o the_o world_n and_o the_o roman_a senate_n asylum_n mundi_fw-la totius_fw-la the_o sanctuary_n for_o the_o whole_a world_n thence_o spartianus_n say_v of_o severus_n severo_fw-la orbem_fw-la terrarum_fw-la romamque_fw-la despexit_fw-la when_o as_o casaubon_n observe_v he_o speak_v only_o of_o the_o roman_a province_n and_o from_o hence_o whatever_o be_v out_o of_o the_o roman_a empire_n be_v call_v barbaria_n thence_o the_o rura_fw-la vicina_fw-la barbariae_fw-la in_o lampridius_n 58._o for_o the_o march_n which_o lie_v next_o to_o the_o enemy_n country_n thence_o marcellinus_n visus_fw-la est_fw-la in_o barbarico_fw-la mile_n and_o in_o the_o imperial_a constitution_n as_o justellus_n observe_v barbari_fw-la vocantur_fw-la quicunque_fw-la imperio_fw-la romano_n non_fw-la parebant_fw-la all_o be_v call_v barbarous_a out_o of_o the_o roman_a empire_n and_o in_o the_o same_o sense_n barbaricum_fw-la be_v use_v in_o the_o 58._o canon_n of_o the_o african_a code_n and_o in_o the_o 206._o canon_n of_o the_o code_n of_o the_o universal_a church_n that_o the_o bishop_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d justel_n i._n e._n out_o of_o the_o roman_a empire_n shall_v be_v ordain_v by_o the_o patriarch_n of_o constantinople_n now_o since_o the_o roman_a empire_n be_v call_v orbis_fw-la romanus_n and_o in_o greek_a 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d as_o appear_v in_o that_o augusius_n luk._n 2.1_o be_v say_v to_o tax_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o whole_a world_n which_o can_v be_v only_o the_o roman_a empire_n and_o the_o famine_n in_o the_o same_o be_v say_v to_o be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d act._n 11.28_o it_o be_v no_o wonder_n if_o these_o bishop_n who_o enjoy_v the_o great_a dignity_n in_o the_o roman_a empire_n be_v call_v ecumenical_a and_o those_o council_n so_o too_o which_o consist_v of_o the_o bishop_n within_o those_o bound_n i_o come_v therefore_o to_o the_o second_o thing_n that_o some_o bishop_n in_o the_o great_a church_n in_o the_o roman_a empire_n be_v call_v ecumenical_a as_o that_o relate_v to_o the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d viz._n the_o roman_a empire_n for_o which_o we_o may_v consider_v the_o primary_n ground_n of_o the_o advancement_n of_o the_o patriarch_n of_o constantinople_n be_v the_o greatness_n of_o the_o city_n as_o be_v undeniable_o manifest_a by_o the_o proceed_n of_o the_o council_n of_o constantinople_n and_o chalcedon_n about_o he_o wherein_o it_o be_v decree_v since_o that_o be_v new-rome_n that_o it_o shall_v enjoy_v equal_a privilege_n with_o the_o old_a and_o in_o all_o probability_n the_o ground_n of_o the_o patriarch_n of_o constantinople_n usurp_v the_o title_n of_o ecumenical_a patriarch_n be_v but_o to_o correspond_v with_o the_o greatness_n of_o his_o city_n which_o at_o the_o time_n of_o the_o contest_v between_o pope_n gregory_n and_o he_o be_v in_o a_o better_a condition_n than_o rome_n itself_o be_v the_o seat_n of_o the_o empire_n and_o therefore_o he_o think_v it_o suitable_a thereto_o to_o be_v call_v ecumenical_a patriarch_n but_o beside_o this_o peculiarity_n of_o constantinople_n it_o be_v no_o 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emperor_n have_v check_v he_o for_o meddle_v in_o it_o and_o be_v so_o far_o from_o oppose_v the_o patriarch_n title_n 34._o that_o in_o effect_n he_o bid_v he_o trouble_v himself_o no_o more_o about_o it_o which_o poor_a s._n gregory_n take_v very_o ill_o and_o afterward_o when_o cyriacus_n succeed_v john_n in_o constantinople_n the_o emperor_n be_v somewhat_o fearful_a lest_o gregory_n at_o the_o come_n in_o of_o a_o new_a patriarch_n might_n on_o the_o account_n of_o this_o new_a title_n deny_v his_o communicatory_a letter_n he_o dispatch_v a_o letter_n to_o he_o to_o quicken_v he_o about_o it_o and_o he_o take_v it_o very_o unkind_o that_o the_o emperor_n shall_v suspect_v his_o indiscretion_n so_o much_o that_o for_o the_o sake_n of_o this_o title_n which_o he_o say_v 30._o have_v sore_o wound_v he_o he_o shall_v deny_v communion_n in_o the_o faith_n with_o he_o and_o yet_o in_o the_o same_o epistle_n say_v that_o whosoever_o take_v the_o title_n of_o universal_a bishop_n upon_o 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this_o 32._o if_o universal_a jurisdiction_n be_v challenge_v with_o it_o they_o resolute_o oppose_v it_o not_o mere_o for_o the_o title_n sake_n but_o for_o that_o which_o may_v follow_v upon_o that_o title_n take_v it_o not_o in_o your_o literal_a but_o in_o your_o metaphorical_a sense_n as_o i_o shall_v show_v present_o but_o neither_o party_n be_v so_o weak_a and_o silly_a as_o to_o apprehend_v it_o in_o your_o literal_a sense_n for_o then_o neither_o will_v the_o emperor_n have_v slight_v it_o nor_o the_o pope_n oppose_a it_o on_o those_o term_n which_o they_o do_v and_o on_o such_o ground_n which_o reach_v your_o metaphorical_a sense_n 5._o the_o same_o title_n in_o the_o same_o sense_n which_o gregory_n oppose_v it_o do_v boniface_n accept_v of_o from_o the_o emperor_n phocas_n this_o you_o confess_v yourself_o when_o you_o say_v that_o all_o that_o phocas_n do_v 5._o be_v but_o to_o declare_v that_o the_o title_n in_o contest_v do_v of_o right_o belong_v to_o the_o bishop_n 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name_n of_o blasphemy_n upon_o he_o and_o all_o those_o dreadful_a consequence_n must_v attend_v he_o and_o all_o his_o follower_n who_o own_o that_o title_n of_o universal_a bishop_n in_o that_o which_o you_o call_v the_o literal_a or_o grammatical_a sense_n of_o it_o 6._o last_o it_o appear_v from_o s._n gregory_n himself_o 6._o that_o the_o reason_n which_o he_o urge_v against_o the_o title_n of_o universal_a bishop_n be_v such_o as_o hold_v against_o that_o which_o you_o call_v the_o metaphorical_a sense_n of_o it_o which_o in_o short_a be_v a_o universal_a pastor_n exercise_v authority_n and_o jurisdiction_n over_o the_o whole_a church_n and_o it_o be_v scarce_o possible_a to_o imagine_v that_o he_o shall_v speak_v more_o clear_o against_o such_o a_o universal_a headship_n than_o he_o do_v and_o urge_v such_o argument_n against_o it_o which_o proper_o belong_v to_o that_o metaphorical_a sense_n of_o it_o as_o when_o he_o say_v to_o john_n the_o patriarch_n what_o will_v thou_o 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