l. 27. r. hers p. 11â— l. 9r and Superstition p. 118. l. 6. r. sayes p. 125. l. r. Churches obedience p. 127. l. 9. r. in no wise p. 132. l. 31. for Kings r. kindes p. 133. l. 7. r. aide p 135. l. 10. r. Nursing p. 136. l. 18. r. And so p. 138. l 3 r. Mahumatism l. 15. r. of others l. 16. r. i.e. such p 140. 25 26. r. gaudentem p. 142. l. 10. r. neatly p. 144. l. 17. r. their duty p. 151. l. 6. r. Authors l. 14. r. Murther p. 153. after l. 26. r. with a designe and purpose to ensnare the Consciences of Inferiours much less shall we take upon us to determine what humane Laws thwart c. p. 15â— l. 10 11. r. Instructions l. 14. r. the Kings p. 156. l. 21. r. these p. 161. l. 21. r. endear his l. 26. r. passed a p. 166. l. 9 10. r. Superstitions Query I. Whether hath Christ Instituted a Gospel Church Reply to the Answer to this Query CAvils at expressions tending only to an unprofitable strife of words ought no less to be avoided then foolish and unlearned Questions This Answer therefore who so early as in his Title Page caution'd his Reader against the one should not himself have so soon obtruded on him the other 〈◊〉 What Prerogative preceeding Ages had above the present to Coyn Phrases in Divinity we should be glad to be informed Or if no expression may be therein us'd we meet not with in the New-Testament we may no longer use Sacrament nor Trinity which are not to be there found And yet a Church constituted and Goverâ—'d according to the Rule of the Gospel may as properly be term'd a Gospel-Church as a Church Constituted and Govern'd according to the Laws of a Nation be term'd a National Church an expression frequently us'd by this Answerer though he meet not with it in the New-Testament Nor possibly in Antiquity at least to express a Christian Church But having given us the Queries meaning in his own words he acknowledges that Christ hath Instituted such a Church Query II. What is an Instituted Church of the Gospel and by what means do Persons become a Church of Christ Reply to the Answer to this Query AS in all Disputations 't is necessary the Terms be agreed upon so here what is meant by Church which in Scripture hath divers acceptations for by Church there is sometimes understood the Elect only or mystical Body of Christ by some called the Holy Catholick Church Sometimes again the universality of the Professors of Christianity commonly called the Church Catholick visible And sometimes by Church is meant only a particular Church or Society of Christians united for the performance of the worship of God in the same individual Ordinances according to the Order by Christ prescrib'd Such was the Church at Corinth the Church at Jerusalem the Church at Antioch the Seven Churches in Asia and divers others mentioned in the New-Testament and is the Church here inquired after To which this Answer in saying The Church or the Christian Church is God's Family or Houshold c. answers not the Question not being concerning the Church in the 1st or 2d acceptation of the word But had he said An Instituted Church of the Gospel or as he expresses it A Church Constituted and Govern'd according to the Rules of the Gospel is a Society of men joyning together in the Profession of the Christian Faith having right Pastors or Officers invested with Power to Guide and Govern them in the ways of God and to dispence unto them the Ordinances of the Gospel which none but a Church in the third acceptation of the word hath it might have past for an answer to the Query though not so full and clear a one as might have been given But whereas he says He hopes there may be as well such a National Church in England as there was for above fifteen hundred years in Palestine among the Jews If by such a National Church he means only a Church having National Church-Officers over it as had the Church of the Jews no man sure doubts it But if by such a National Church he means a National Church of Divine Institution we see not whereon he grounds his hopes since it hath not pleased God to Institute or appoint any such National Church under the Gospel Nor does the Church of England pretend to any such original as is evident by the Statute of the 25th of Edward the 3d. Where it is declared to be founded in Prelacy by the Kings and Nobles of England without the least pretence to a Divine Institution as had the National Church of the Jews There is no doubt but that Christ as he says would have his Church Catholick as well as Holy yet not always so Illustrious or visible as to be seen and owned by the world And though whole Nations were to embrace the Christian Faith and upon that account to Constitute the Christian Church or Catholick Church visible yet that doth not Constitute them National Churches such as was the Church of the Jews nor can they be so called upon the same account that a particular Church is called a Church And when Christ threatned the Jews to take the Kingdom of God from them and give it unto a Nation that should bring forth the Fruits of it he meant no doubt as he says more by a Nation then one particular Church for he meant a Nation or People that might have many particular Churches or Congregations of Christians in it but did not thereby Constitute or intend a National Church in his notion Neither yet did he confine the Christian Church to a Nation and consequently not within smaller bounds then the Jewish was when empal'd within the Land of Canaan But how will this Answerer prove it to have been as he says far from the mind of our Redeemer to crumble his Church as he words it into such minute and little Principles of being as Congregational Churches when the Scriptures give so great evidence to the contrary there being indeed no other Instituted Church under the Gospel then what is Congregational And when our Blessed Saviour Instituted those he commanded certainly the Demolishing an Established National Church even the National Church of the Jews the only National Church in the world of Gods Institution The second part of this Query does evidently enough intend a particular Church as before exprest which 't is not impossible but five or six Persons may Constitute notwithstanding his peremptory denyal thereof Christ himself having told us Where two or three are gathered together in his name he is in the midst of them which is the ground or principle of all Instituted Churches and we read of the Church in the House of Aquila and Priscilla which cannot reasonably be supposed to consist of any great number By what means Persons become a Church of Christ And how particular
wherein doth this permit men to renounce the common Christianity c. as this Answerer very impertinently objecteth And 't is left to the Judgement of all rational men whether they who insist upon the sufficiency of the Spiritual Power Christ hath given unto his Church for the right ordering and governing thereof and the Scriptures being the sole rule of every mans Faith and Obedience in all Gospel duties and Administrations or they who allow unto every national or Provincial Church a Power to Decree Articles of Faith and compose Forms of Divine worship to be imposed by civil Magistrates upon Christians are the more likely to lead into the Paths of Heresie and Schism and to destroy the Vnity of the Church and consequently whether these or those do gratifie the old Serpent in his malitious wiles and methods and give leave to his Instruments to accomplish their Hellish designs in destroying Christianity and the Churches Government at one blow I say again let every rational and unprejudiced person considering the nature and essence of Christianity and by what ways and methods it hath been corrupted and destroyed judge Gods name is not indeed blasphemed as he says when his Institutions are made use of to uphold his Truths c. But he hath no where Instituted the civil Sword to force any to the Christian Faith much less to uphold whatever is taught or pretended so to be And if his name be blasphemed when mens minds are alienated from the Christian Religion They will be found guilty thereof who use such means and methods for its propagation as they pretend as beget an aversion in many towards it and those that use them And who is it that would make the profession thereof Arbitrary They who say the Spiritual Power Christ hath given unto his Church for the right ordering and governing thereof is sufficient unto that end cannot reasonably be said so to do And wherefore doth he here talk of every beâ—ted Brain and Sulpherous Male-content being left to serve God or serve him not to believe in Christ or openly to deny and blaspheme him When all we Pray and Plead for is but That the word of the Lord may have a free course and that his name may be glorified in the free exercise of all Religious duties without ever denying it the Magistrates duty to punish Blasphemy and the like evils and impieties But 't were worth knowing from this Learned and Judicious Answerer how far any are obliged to ad here to the Church in which they were Baptized that we may not have too hard thoughts of our first Reformers for forsaking the Church in which they partook of that Sacrament It is as he says One thing to Convert Pagans and Infidels to Christianity and another thing to keep them within the bounds of their duty who already profess it and yet are both effected by the same means and the Magistrate can no more compel unto the one then to the other But when men give up their names to Christ 't is certainly as he says the duty of Church-men to use all lawfull and proper means to prevent their Apostacy from him But who are the incorrigible offenders he speaks of Or what occasion doth this Query administer To ask why the Magistrate may not be requested to save a soul from death c. The Magistrate may certainly be requested to punish sin and wickedness it being the great end for which God committed the Power of the Sword to him But he can no more save a Soul from death and Rescue him out of the snare of the Devil then he can give grace or faith which are the gifts of God alone yet this hinders not but that Magistrates and Ministers ought to use all due and lawful means To reduce men to Christianity and prevent their Apostacy from it There is no more need now then in the primitive Ages of the Church that its Acts and Censures should be seconded by the Sword of the Secular Power our Blessed Saviour who is faithfull having promised to be with his Disciples Teaching what he commanded them to the worlds end And that there is so little of Power and efficacy in in the Acts and Censures of some who would be accounted his Disciples is not that Christ hath withdrawn any of that ordinary Power he gave unto his Ministers for the perfecting of the Saints and the edifying of his body but their failure in the condition annexed to his promise in not teaching what he commanded but setting up their own inventions and devices in the place of his Institutions were the Censures of the Church as orderly and regularly pronounc't now as heretofore they would have the same effects now as then upon the Souls and Consciences of believers what effect they had upon their Bodies we are rather told then Convinc't of for the Intestuous Corinthian's being deliver'd unto Satan was no more then as hath been already said his being cast out of the Church the Kingdom of God into the World the Kingdom of the Devil nor were the deaths of Ananias and Saphira with the blindness of Ellmas the Sorcerer the effects of any Church Acts or Censures but of that extraordinary Power Christ conferred on his Apostles to manifest his Power and Authority to the unbelieving world and to say it was to supply the defect of the Magistrates Coercive Power in the Church as if the Churches Power were defective without the Magistrates Sword is highly derogatory unto that Spiritual Power and Authority Christ hath given unto the Ministers of his Gospel for the ordering and Governing of his Church unto the worlds end 'T is as one hath well observ'd much of Christs glory to rule his Subjects under the Gospel by a spiritual Power 't is that Power makes a man a Christian 't is that Power in all Gospel Institutions that keeps men in their due obedience unto Christ and 't is that Power carries the sting of the punishment when men are cast out of the Church 'T is indeed that Power does all under the Gospel and to bringin the Temporal Sword is to make the weapons of the Gospel not mighty through God but mighty through the Magistrates Power and wholly to alter the nature of the Gospel and all its Institutions 'T is to Aâ—m the Church with weapons Christ never gave her and to make her a Military rather then a Spiritual Society What he says of Dissenters being pâ—nisht for indangering the Peace of the State by disobeying the Laws of the Church shall be spoken to when he tells us what Laws and what Church he here means Nor can we till then say How the Interest of those Societies are twisted and united But do very well know it to have been one of the greatest Artifices in the mystery of Iniquâ—ty so to twist the civil and some pretended Religious Interests as to preswade the world The Oak cannot subsist without the Ivie but as well Reason as Experience
says To tolerate unruly and vain Talkers and Deceivers who vent their idle fancies to corrupt and withdraw others from the simplicity of the Truth be an Indication of more cruelty than to Tollerate so many Thieves and Murtherers upon publick Roades and Highways This Answerer is by no means to be tollerated having manifested himself so unruly and vain a Talker and Deceiver as he hath done Query XXVII Whether can any think That they who Persecute Christ in his Members despoiling them of their goods and Imprisoning their Persons and that too for their faithful adhering to the plain and undoubted commands of their Heavenly Soveraign will speed better at the great day of account than those whom Christ himself hath told us shall be then rejected but for not visiting and relieving his poor Members when in want in sickness or any other Adversity Reply to the Answer to this Query INstead of Answering this Query 'T is very judiciously objected It hath many things questionable in it And with as great Judgement and to as little purpose he likewise tell us That none are true Members of Christ besides those that are Vnited to his Church for that Christ is the Head and his Church his Body and as he also judiciously observes no one can be a Member belonging to the Head unless he be some way or other Vnited to the Body But sure our Answerer is the first pretended Christian that ever questioned the soundness of Christs Body the Holy Catholick Church or that a Christians joyning to it might endanger his internal Vnion to Christ who is Hâ—â—d And wherefore doth he here tell us what the Query neither denies nor questions That the Church of England is a sound part of the Catholick Church unless to manifest his Dialectick Art in proving That whoever in any thing withdraw themselves from any part of Christs Body cut themselves off from Christ the Head and therefore they who withdraw Communion from the Church of England though but in the least minute Circumstances or Ceremonies belong not unto Christ. So that it seems with this Learned and Judicious Answerer out of the Ceremonial Pale of the Church of England there is no Salvation and if any are punisht for so cuting themselves off from Christ the Head their punishment is no persecution Quod erat demonstrandum Great wits according to the Proverb have short memories he could not else have so soon forgotten which he but now reprov'd the Independants for viz. Their evaâ—uating one main Article of the Christian Creed Faith in one Catholick Church For that as he said They restrained it to themselves whereas he so restrains it to the Church of England as that he allows of none withdrawing themselves from her Communion to belong unto Christ the one main Article therefore of his Christian Creed Faith in one Catholick Church is it seems Faith in the Church of England or rather Faith in whatever Church is uppermost And though out of her there is no Salvation yet for Arguments sake he will suppose That those who separate from her Communion even in her very Ceremonies are notwithstanding such their separation real Members of Christs mystical body yet none of them he says are persecuted for their faithful adhering unto Christ or the undoubted and plain commands of their Heavenly Soveraign nor does the Query say they are But supposing as he supposeth That any should be punisht for assembling together to Pray or partake of the Ordinances of the Gospel which Christ hath Instituted and requires the observation of would not such be persecuted for their faithful adhering unto Christ and to the plain and undoubted commands of their Heavenly Soveraign But says our Answerer Let the Gentleman produce one Person that ever suffer'd for performing any essential duty of Christian Religion We know not what he may esteem an essential duty of Christian Religion who is one with him who declares the outward worship of God to be no part of Religion But if he will allow Praying Preaching and Administring the Sacraments to be essential duties of the Christian Religion as by all good Christians they have hitherto been esteemed He need not go beyond his own Parish to meet with those who have suffer'd and deeply suffer'd even by his Instigation for the performance of those duties But he tells us 'T is not for the performance of those duties but for the disorderly and Irregular way of performing them that they are punisht Very good By what Rule then does he judge the way of their performance Disorderly and Irregular all order consisting in the due observation of some Rule Now if he will tell us of any Rule they therein transgress which he will abide by he hath said something to the purpose He tells us indeed They are punisht for not doing them in that due manner as is enjoyn'd them by their Superiours yet does not say The injunction of Superiours is the Rule whereby they are to be perform'd Nay he says If the Governours of the Church did command a worship that were Idolatrous or superstitious or did appoint vain foolish and ridiculous Ceremonies they were not therein to be complyed with So that the Injunctions or Commands of Superiours are not by his own confession this Rule But he tells us They are punisht for being disorderly in their Stations and Callings and for being disobedient to Government and Laws If by being disorderly in their Stations and Callings he means as he elsewhere says Their Vsurping the Office of Bishops as well as of the Inferiour Clergy He hath thereon already had the Judgement of as Learned and Judicious a Divine as most the Church of England can boast of And for their being disobedient though he hath advised us to resign up our selves unto the Fathers of the Church He hath not yet told us they are to be obeyed in whatever they shall or may command us So that neither can the commands of Governours nor Laws of Superiours be this Rule nor indeed ought else but the will of God revealed in his word To the Law and to the Testimony was the old Rule and the Divine Institution is still the only Rule to judge of the Orderly and Disorderly performance of all Religious duties â— by and if the manner of their performance be not according unto this Rule it is indeed Disorderly and Irregular and suffering upon that account may be esteemed a punishment rather then a persecution as may likewise their sufferings who are disobedient to the Laws and Governments of men in all civil and secular matters and concerns and theirs also who censure the Actions of Authority Vsurp the Office of the Ministry endanger the peace of the State and violate the Vnity of the Church Nor are there greater violaters of the Churches Unity than they who impose on Christs Disciples other conditions of Church-fellowship and Communion than Christ or his Apostles ever enjoyned or required And so far I agree with
Persons become Members of the Church of Christ are two different Questions and even this which is his own he answers not distinctly for by his first way They become Members only of the Catholick Church visible By his second They become Members also of the Holy Catholick Church the mystical Body of Christ so that without distinguishing what is here and there meant by Church we are not like to be much edified by this Answerer That a visible Profession of Christianity Entitles men to the Priviledges of the Church in the second acceptation of the word may be true which yet with his good leave their Debaucheries and Immoralitys may again deprive them of notwithstanding the Church at Corinths delay in casting out the incestuous person But 't is not every vice or error in a Member of a particular Church that Unchurches them St. Paul therefore might very well own the Church at Corinth for a Church notwithstanding the Debaucheries and Immoralities that were in some of its Members But the tolerating them was certainly a Crime which the Parable of the Tares and Wheat will never justifie for though they were to grow together till Harvest it was not in the Church but in the world for so our Saviour declares the field to be Nor will the parable of the Net and good and bad Fishes contained therein give any more countenance to this fond Assertion that Debaucheries and Immoralities are or may be tolerated in a Christian Church or that Debaucht and Immoral persons are not to be debarr'd the Priviledges thereof If that be as it seems to be this Answerers meaning the Apostle commanding that the Incestuous person be delivered unto Satan i. e. cast out of the Church the Kingdom of God into the world the Kingdom of the Devil Query III. Whether the Parochial Churches within these Nations and the worship therein us'd be according to Christs Institution or the Rule and Order of the Gospel Reply to the Answer to this Query THis Query relating to the former hath respect unto the means whereby Christians become a Church of Christ and aim'd at their Information or satisfaction who doubted whether Co-habitation or mens living together within such or such a Precinct having a Priest or Curate so and so set over them be the formal cause of an Instituted Church of the Gospel And whether such Societies meeting to worship God by certain set or prescribed Forms of Prayer and Administration of the Sacraments be according to Christs Institution or the Rule and Order of the Gospel which this Answerer not thinking good to speak to requiring only the contrary to be showne leaves his Reader therein as much unsatisfied and to seek as before while he troubles himself with enumerating such particulars as are not here questioned nor were ever intrâ—ded by the Query which respected more the manner then matter of worship and formal cause only of an Instituted Church of the Gospel Query IV. Whether it be not the duty of every Christian to withdraw from every Brother that walks disorderly and not after the Traditions received from the Apostles Reply to the Answer to this Query WE have an affirmative answer here which could not well be denyed us since it is but what the Apostle commands But then he tells us from an excellent Expositor what disorderly walking is by which it seems we are only to withdraw from such as withdraw their Obedience from the Church and like disbanded Souldiers run away from their Colours where by the way disbanded Souldiers are improperly said to run away forsake the Service of their Superiours and Commands of their Bishops c. and with such he tells us we are not to have any familiar or friendly conversation But this withdrawing says he concerns only private Persons and yet private Persons are not totally to withdraw themselves from such disorderly walkers till so and so nay even then we are not interdicted all Society with such a Person So that we are little edified by this Answerer or his excellent Expositor as to our duty of withdrawing which they do not convince us ought to be only from the civil conversation of such as withdraw their obedience from the Church or as forsake the service of their Superiours and commands of their Bishops and not also from the Religious Fellowship and Communion of such Bishops and Brethren as in the Worship and Service of God walk not according to the Rule and Order of the Gospel Query V. Whether it be not the duty of every Christian to chuse the Communion of the purest Church And whether in the choice thereof is he bound to follow his own Judgement after the best information he is able to attain unto or other mens Judgements against his own Reply to the Answer to this Query LIttle of what hath been here said is to the matter in Question though in a peevish and froward manner he tells us If there be a purer Church they may betake themselves to it Whereby he seems to acknowledge That it is every mans duty to chuse the Communion of the purest Church Nor does he say that in the choice thereof a man is bound to follow anothers Judgement against his own and if he be not why are any molested for but doing their duty and though possibly they may be mistaken in their choice yet while they are so by misfortune and not their fault God will pardon it and men ought not to punish it at least while therein they hurt none but themselves Yea but says this Answerer They introduce confusion in all the Parishes of this Kingdom in setting up one Altar against another and removing ancient Land-marks expressly against a Divine Prohibition which is not saith he to embrace the Communion of the purest Church but to cast a mans self out of the Catholick Church But does this Learned and Judicious Answerer really believe That they who Separate from a Parochial or National Church do thereby cast themselves out of the Catholick Church Does he believe the French Protestants cast themselves out of the Catholick Church when they Separated from their Parochial Churches or from the National Church of France Or that the Parliament went expressly against a Divine Prohibition in removing an Ancieut Land-mark when they gave new Bounds to St. Martins Parish by taking Covent-Garden out of it And what do they who in this Nation worship God in Assemblies Separate from the Parochial Congregations more then all the Reformed Churches in all Popish Conntries in Europe both do and have done ever since they had a Being and yet I hope they set not Altar against Altar or if they do let him shew the evil of it His objection against Dissenters being let alone or snffer'd to go on in their way in that it will as he says administer occasion to the Enemies of our Religion to come and take away both our Place our Church and Nation is but the old objection the Chief Priests
honour will be best secured Ahabs humiliation which he instances in was a voluntary action he did it not by constraint but was thereunto moved by what the Prophet said unto him and makes not therefore against the drift of this Query And who doubts that if a stop were put to gross Schisms I mean what are truly such and not unduly so call'd and bare fac'd Atheism with other villanies that abound amongst us but it would be acceptable unto God and all good men As likewise the restrâ—ining of Seducers from propagating their contagious errors would this Answerer but vouchsafe a clear and positive Answer to the 6th Query and tell us who is Judge of Truth and Error in disputable Points of Religion and not always leave it to the strongest to determine And to talk of Lawless and licencious Practices being universally pleaded for when the plea is only for a liberty to serve God in Faith without doubting is a strain beyond the ordinary bounds of Truth and Honesty But says our Answerer If men are so perverse and incorrigible as not to be reform'd themselves yet the punishmeâ—ts that are inflicted upon them may prevent the like sin in others They may so in such things as any are convinc't to be sins But what any shall judge to be theirs and others indispensable duties the punishing of some for those things will not deterr others who fear God more then men from doing the like whatever they suffer for it But so something be said and Authorities cited it matters not how applicable to the present Question Query XI Whether Christ's Rule of his Disciples under the Gospel be not by a Spiritual Power and whether to use the Temporal Sword in Religious matters be not to make the Weapons of the Gospel not mighty through God but mighty through the Magistrates Power to Arm the Church with Weapons Christ never gave her and to make her a Military rather then a spiritual Society Reply to the Answer to this Query THough what is mighty through the Magistrates Power is as he says mighty through God as he is the original and Fountain of all Power yet the Apostle tells us The weapons of their Warfare are not Carnal whereby he distinguishes between the Carnal Power of the Civil Magistrate by which the world is Govern'd in all worldly Affairs and Concerns and the Spiritual Power wherewith Christ rules his Subjects under the Gospel which this Answerer seems altogether unacquainted with having possibly never felt the power and efficacy thereof in his own Soul and to talk to such of a Spiritual Power is like talking to blind men of colours But the Magistrate says he is Gods Minister and that to the benefit and welfare of mens souls as well as their worldly and outward Estates But how or in what manner to the benefit and welfare of their Souls he is not at present dispos'd to tell us But would have us to believe the reason why Christ never made use of the Civil Magistrates Power to recommend or obtrude as he phrases it his Doctrine on the world was because the secular Powers were in the days of his flesh in open Enmity and Hostility against him But does he think Christ could not as easily have converted Magistrates as others had he so pleased or does he not know that To him was given all Power both in Heaven and on Earth and that had he thought it necessary or expedient for the Interest of Religion he could as well have commanded the Magistrates Power as any other But he declin'd it as we may reasonably enough suppose to manifest to the world that the Gospel or true Religion was wholly founded upon Spiritual Power was compleat therein and needed not the aid and assistance of secular Force But the Argument against the Magistrates Power in matters of Religion is not so much from Christs not using it as from the nature of Religion which cannot be so forc't it being seated in those faculties to which outward violence can have no access So that the unsuitableness of the means to the end aimed at as well as Christs not serving himself of it for the propagation of Christian Religion with the sufficiency of that Spiritual Power in the gifts he gave unto his Ministers for the perfecting of the Saints for the work of the Ministry and for the edifying of his Body Is that which renders the Magistrates Authority in matters of Religion not necessary not to say more And whereas this Answerer says That Christ was armed with such miraculous power from Heaven that he did not need any assistance from Empires or States Does he think his Arm shortned or that he now stands in more need of secular assistance then heretofore We argue not against the Churches making use of the Authority of Kings to protect herself against force and violence or the injuries or oppressions of any but against Magistrates imposing on her or on any in matters of faith and worship and yet we say with this Answerer That our Blessed Saviour in erecting his Church never intended to diminish the Power of Magistracy neither hath he it being the same now it ever was Magistrates having the same Power now that ordinarily they ever had nor is there any thing in Christian Religion but what is not only consistent but highly advantagious to Civil States and Societies in that it reacheth conscientious obedience to Authority wheresoever and in whomsoever lodg'd and faithfull dealings between man and man Though the Church be as he says a Military she is still a spiritual Society the weapons of â—hâ—se warfare are not carnal but mighty through the Spirit of God not the Power of the Magistrate to the pulling down of strong bolds and every high thing that exalteth it self against the knowledge of God and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ. If this Answerer can tell us of any other weapons belonging to her we shall own our obligation to him for the discovery Query XII Whether to say the Spiritual Power Christ hath given unto his Church for the right ordering and governing thereof is not sufficient unto that end without the aid and assistance of the secular Power be not to blaspheme Reply to the Answer to this Query WE were promis'd in the last Answer to be shown in this what were the weapons of the Churches warfare but instead thereof are there told the end only of Christs giving Power to his Church which none sure ever doubted to be for the edification not destruction of the souls of his People yet we still say with the Apostle the weapons of the Churches warfare are not carnal That Christ gave gifts and neither Swords nor Guns unto men for the perfecting of Saints for the work of the Ministry and for the edifying of his Body and that the Spiritual Power he gave unto his Church for the right ordering and Governing thereof is sufficient unto that end And
have evidenc'd the contrary and that there are no greater Enemies to the Authority State and Dignity of civil Magistrates then some pretenders to Religion Query XIII Whether the Carnal conjunction of the Temporal Power with the Spiritual hath not made all Ecclesiasticall Regiment odious and unsavory and serv'd only to enable the Clergy under the pretence of the Power of the Gospel to trample by the Power of the world mankind under their feet Reply to the Answer to this Query THis Answerer might with as good reason have said There is no more Spirituality in the Ordinances of the Gospel then there was in the Ordinances under the Law As that there is no more Carnality in the present Vnion of the civil Power with the Ecclesiasticall then there was in the Jewish Church or Commonwealth For who besides himself is ignorant how God himself United those making that Church and State but one Commonwealth over which himself presided whereby they became rather a Spiritual then a Civil Society a Theocracy or a People whom God Govern'd by Princes and Rulers extraordinarily assisted and inspired by him or guided and directed by Prophets occasionally sent to declare his mind and will unto them So that it was God himself that made that Church and State one He that was a Member of the State thereby becoming a Member of the Church likewise But it is otherwise under the Gospel the Church and State being now distinct Societies and a man may be a Member of the one without being so of the other Nor are their concerns otherwise intermixt then in the Churches enjoying Peace and Protection from the righteous Rule and Government of the State and the State prosperity from the Prayers and Blessings of the Church Those therefore whom God then joyn'd he hath now sever'd and for any other to bring them again together is as one very well says Presumptious Fornication The attempt of Core and his complices he instances in was undoubtedly a sin in them as the like would be in any now which both Magistrates and Ministers ought to use their several Interests and Authorities to prevent and this Query is far from giving the least countenance or incouragement unto Though the assistance given by Moses to Aaron did not as he says incite him to trample upon the people yet they who have given their Power and Strength unto the Beast and his Adherents have enabled them under a pretext of the Power of the Gospel to trample by the Power of the world mankind under their feet to Depose Princes Subvert States and Butcher People and indeed to make the rest of mankind but their Slaves and Vassals A truth so well known unto all who are not willfully bâ—ind or wholly ignorant in History and the transactions of former Ages wherever the man of sin and Son of Perdition had Power it wouldbe time lost to go about to prove it That Ministers are made as he says the formal cause of the hatred and contempt of too many Persons may be both their faults for though several Treatises bave been lately written to shew the grounds of the contempt of the Clergy it may be comprehended in two lines Pretending Piety by some contemn'd But more by others 'cause they but pretend I mean too many of them which gives a disreputation to the whole though there are God be thanked many Reverend Learned and Pious Persons of the function deserving double Honour both for their own and their workes sake and may the number of them be daily increased But none have cause to be comforted as he says That the same fate hath happen'd to others more deserving unless they tread in their steps and suffer on the same account with them But it is and may be just cause of satisfaction unto any to be scorn'd and contemn'd by those whose respect and esteem would be a reproach Wo be unto you said our Blessed Saviour when all men shall speak well of yon we acknowledge therefore there are those whose commendations wound and whose favour is a reflection and from such we neither expect nor desire praise Query XIV Whether to force and compel men in the worship and service of God to Act against their Light and Judgements be not a spiritual Rape upon their Consciences Reply to the Answer to this Query IT may possibly puzzle this Answerer to prove this Query Sceptical as he terms it for but implying that no man ought to be forc't or compell'd in the Worship and Service of God to do ought against his Light or Judgement since nothing is more certain then that no man ought to do or practice any thing therein which is not of Faith and why may not such a force then be term'd a Spiritual Rape upon the Concience And how hath this been Answered as he says in the seventh Query where he hath neither prov'd That any ought to be so forâ—'t against their Judgements nor yet that any actually were ever so forc't by any of the Kings of Judah he instances in He may do well therefore as he promises to consider it a little more and better to or 't will be to little purpose But what means he in saying It makes Conscience the ONLY rule of mens Faith and Practices For though Conscience which is the Judgement a man makes of himself and his actions with reference to the future Judgement of God be the rule by which all men ought to walk yet is it a rule that must be rul'd and 't is therefore every mans duty carefully to indeavour his Conscience be rightly inform'd but to follow it is still his duty The plea of an Erronious Conscience saith the Reverend and Learned Dr. Stilling fleet takes not off the obligation of following the Dictates of it for as he is bound to lay it down supposing it to be Erronious so he is bound not to go against it whilst it is not laid down And says the like Learned and Reverend Dr. Ames Conscientia quamvis errans semper ligat ita ut ille peccet qui agit contra Conscientiam quoniam agit contra voluntatem Dei quamvis non materialiter vere tamen formaliter interpretive For he who does not what he Judges or believes God commands or requires of him would not do it though God did cammand or require it But says this Ingenious and candid Answerer The main Argument with which the Libertines of all Ages have shelter'd themselves against the reach of wholsome and good Laws has been Conscience and the Internal Liberty of that faculty which say they is only and immediatly Subject unto God It is so and yet it neither doth nor ought to shelter any guilty of sin and wickedness against the reach as he pretends of wholsom and good Laws for he who sins ought to suffer for it whether it be with or against his Conscience But says he A Spirit may be as soon pierced with a Sword as violence offer'd to the
his blessed Will to us in his holy word What us does he mean For we cannot but think it all mens duty with the Psalmist still to pray That God would open our eyes that we may behold wondrous things out of his Law There being an Illumination of the Spirit of God necessary for the right understanding of those things that are revealed in the word of God which is it seems a revelation this Answerer is yet unacquainted with for though the Gospel be written the saving Truths thereof are hid to those whom the God of this world hath blinded This Query therefore grounded on tâ—e Apostles advice to the Philippians intends only the Revelation there mentioned which we hope is no Enthusiasm By saying In doubts relating to Religion men would do better to resign up themselves to the Fathers of the Church and seek satisfaction from the Prists lips then attend to the Dictates of their own dark minds He plainly enough tells what he would be at and that 't is blind obedience he would bring us to But before we thus resign up our selves both Soul and Body unto any let him tell us who amongst the many pretenders are those Fathers of the Church to whom he would have us thus to resign up ourselves our Blessed Saviour himself having commanded us to Beware of false Prophets and the Holy Apostle not to believe every Spirit but to try the Spirits whether they are of God By which 't is evident there belongs by Divine Right unto all Christians notwithstanding their dark minds a private discretive and self-directive Judgement by vertue whereof they not only ought to prove all things recommended to them by their Teachers but even to judge of their Teachers themselves between the true and the false between the Messengers of Christ and the Messengers of Antichrist so far is it from the mind of God that any should pin their Faith upon their Teachers sleeves Captivate their Judgements unto theirs and believe and do whatever they shall think meet It were indeed happy if men could receive satisfaction from the Priests lips as those which should keep knowledge But it may be said to too many of them in our days as the Prophet said to them of old Ye are departed out of the way ye have caused many to stumble at the Law ye have corrupted the Covenant nant of Levi saith the Lord of Hosts therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the People according as ye have not kept my ways but have been partial in the Law Query XVIII Whether in these duties whereon Eternity depends it be not the highest absurdity to force any against their own light to be guided by others who are not infallible Reply to the Answer to this Query 'T Is no very pleasing imployment to have to do with those who either do not or will not understand the Questions they take upon them to answer But 't is that we must be content with in this Contest What this Answerer finds in this Query inferring a necessity of Infallibility in all Guides and Governours whether Sacred or Civil we are yet to seek there being as we conceive some difference between being guided in duties of Religion by those that are fallible which we never thought unreasonable and being forced to follow them therein against a mans own light and knowledge which is the thing here question'd It being an implicit Faith and blind obedience only and even the worst of these a mans acting against his own light and Conscience and only in the concerns of Eternity that this Query opposeth And where hath this been as he tells us before answer'd Or to what purpose doth he here tell us It is no higher absurdity in these days of the Gospel for men in matters of Religion to be guided by a Learned and Pious Minister and much more by all the Governours of a National Church then it was under the Mosaick Oeconomy to seek the Law at the Priests mouth who was the Messenger of the Lord of Hosts since we never denyed either but say that blind obedience was never to be yielded unto any much less that any ought to be forc't in any Religious duties against their own light The Priests lips indeed should keep knowledge and they should seek the Law at his mouth but as hath been before said they departed out of the way they caused many to stumble at the Law and corrupted the Covenant of Levi So that a Judgement of discretion was then as well as now to be exercised by the people and they were not always to hearken unto the words of the Prophets that Prophesied unto them their directions and instructions therefore with this Answerers good leave might sometimes be rejected And since our Blessed Saviour hath himself commanded us to Beware of false Prophets and the Apostle not to believe every Spirit but to try the Spirits whether they are of God it is undoubtedly the duty of all Christians to examine the Authority and Mission of their Teachers and to Query who are the true and who the false who the Messengers of Christ who of Antichrist that so they may receive the one and reject the other with all their Doctrines and Instructions if upon trial they square not with the Rule by which they are commanded to prove them Yet does not this render as he says the Ministry of the Christian Church much less all Offices and Dignities of the Commonwealth void and useless It only cautions Christians not to esteem of them above what is meet in yielding that blind obedience the Gospel Prohibits and which is unbecoming the nature and being of a Rational Creature to give when therefore God commands the people to obey those that have the Rule over them and to submit to them as they that watch for their Souls It is to be understood so far forth only as they Teach according to the Rule of his word their Authority as we have before told you from the Reverend Dr. Stillingfleet Being only directive and declarative and in matters of duty can bind no farther then Reason and Evidence brought from Scripture by them doth But he goes on with his Infallibility and says the Argument holds as much against any Judge or Magistrate in the civil concerns of Humane life as against the Ministry of the Church But he may be therein mistaken for 't is all mens Interest to acquiesce in the Determinations of civil Judicatories in the concerns of Humane life how Erronious or unjust soever they may apprehend them to be for the preservation of a greater good publick peace and quiet but that will never make it reasonable in the concerns of Eternity which admit of no compensation for a man to put out his own eyes to be guided by others who perhaps see no better it may be not so well as himself For we do not say it is absurd for a man to be
guided by such as are fallible but to be guided by such against their own Light and Reason As for a man to follow one who tells him He will guide him the next way from York to London though he leads him still Northward when he knows the way thither to lye Southward But could I believe my guide Infallible I might renounce my own Reason and disbelieve my very senses to follow him which way soever he lead me but till then shall think it absurd in any to force me so to do which is but the genuine import of this Query But our Answerer tells us A man may act infallibly in his station though he be not himself infallible For he he says does so who acts and proceeds by infallible unerring Rule Yet with his good leave he may herein be again mistaken For though the Rule he acts and proceeds by be streight yet if the Agent be not infallible he may through error or inability draw crooked lines by it and so cannot be said to act infallibly And indeed if what he here says were true instead of our infallible Pope he hath set up Thousands of Infallible Priests who pretend to Act and precede by an Infallible unerring Rule the Infallible and unerring word of God But to proceed by what Logick doth he frame an Argument from this Query against punishing an Atheist Does it say as he would have it that none ought to be punisht who are not Infallibly convic't or any thing to that purpose why then doth he entertain his Readers with these impertinences Yet hath Truth so far prevailed on him that he here acknowledges All Doctrines ought to be tryed and examined by their proper measures and standards c. But what he means by his mean between this and for men to be allowed a Liberty to deal with their Religion and the Truths of God as they do with their Cloathes which they put on and off and change as their fancies prompt them or as the weather or fashion alters we are yet to learn For whether are the more likely to change their Religion they who use their Reason in the choice and continuance thereof or they who therein blindly follow the guidance of their Teachers since the first are as fixt and stedfast therein as the nature of man upon the best and surest foundation is capable off while the latter whose Religion depends on the guidance of his Teacher or Leader is liable to change the one as oft as he happens to change the other Yet we do not say as this Answerer would have us That a man ought only to be guided by his own light But we do say and affirm that in the concerns of Eternity a man ought not to be forc't against his own light to be guided by others who are not Infallible and defie him to prove the contrary The instances of this Age which he says are innumerable of those who so soon as they seperate from their Mother Church know not where to abide and fix c. Are the objections of an elder Mother Church against those who forsake and separate from her But such as are United unto that Church which is the Mother of us all will not be to seek where to abide and fix though separated from all the Mother Churches in the World They are not the rational and diligent enquirers into the Grounds and Reasons of their Religion but the blind followers of their perhaps blind guides that commonly take sanctuary in Popery Query XIX Whether at the great day of account it will excuse false worshippers to say They therein followed the guidance of those who pretended to have Authority to Conduct and Govern them in the duties of Religion And whether if the blind lead the blind they will not both fall into the Ditch Reply to the Answer to this Query WE have not from him the least Answer to this Query which is no more then whether false worshippers will at the great day of account be excus'd in following the guidance of those who pretended to have Authority to Conduct and Govern them in the Duties of Religion But instead thereof are told with many unhandsom and undue reflections That by false worshippers are meant either those who serve God according to the Liturgy of the Church of England or some other Assemblies of Christians if the former the Gentleman that propâ—ses it is extreamly uncharitable if the latter the Query is impertinent But why uncharitable or impertinent is it so improbable or unreasonable to think there should be false worshippers in any of those Assemblies of Christians who serve God either with or without the Liturgy of the Church of England If it be not the Gentleman may neither be uncharitable nor the Query impertinent This Answerer therefore must either have so good an opinion of all Dissenters from the Church of England as well as of those who serve God according to her Liturgy as to esteem it impertinent to doubt of the Truth of their worship or to enquire concerning the future state and condition of such of them as may be therein misled or he will approve himself to be the uncharitable person he speaks of against all Ingenuity and Reason to apply what was indefinitely spoken to the Church of England when it is more applicable unto others And I shall be bold to tell him in his own Language It is as great an untruth as ever came from the Father of Lyes to say that this or any of these Queries obtrude that which is false and slanderous upon any or that they were chiefly designed for the unwary Country-man who is not the Person that imposes upon others in things of Divine and Supernatural Revelation or persecutes any on the account of Religion And now though it be still nothing to the present Question he tells us what false-worship is viz. Mens drawing nigh to God with their lips and putting him far away from their hearts And how does this Query charge this upon the Church of England who is neither said nor intended in it to Teach any so to do and yet there are those of her Communion who Teach Preach and Print that mens Practices even in the duties of Religion whether conformable or not to their apprehensions are the Subject of Laws And that where Truth and Authority draw contrary ways we are to follow Truth with our Soulâ— and Authority with our Bodies So that with these men Divisum Imperium cum Jove Caesar habâ—t But I would gladly know of them or of this Answerer whether what is not of Faith be not Sin Or whether it be not false-worship in any to worship God otherwise then they are perswaded he will or ought to be worshipt or whether following the guidance of these or the like though they pretend Authority to Conduct and Govern them in the duties of Religion will at the last day excuse those who shall be thus misled by them and yet we
it the visible Unity of Christian Communion in the external Administration of Gods Sacred Worship in a National Church only that is the main Principle of all Christian Amity and affection certainly if variety of Rites in a National Church cause divisions of Judgement and of affection variety of Rites in the Universal or Catholick Church will cause the same also so that it is a visible Unity of Christian Communion in the external Administration of Gods Sacred Worship throughout the Universal or Catholick Church that is the main principle of all Christian Amity and affection experience telling us what sad Divisions Feuds and Animosities have and do daily arise among Christians from the variety of Rites in the external Administration of Gods worship enjoyned by particular Churches of several Denominations even to the destruction of that external as well as internal Unity which is the great Essential of Christianity and which Christ so earnestly recommended to his Church So that if the Internal Unity of the Church as well as External Unity of Christian Communion in the publick Administration of Gods Sacred Worship be desirable as most certainly they are and ought to be They are no otherwise to be attained then by all Christian Churches Universally adhering to the Rule of the Gospel and enjoyning no other Rites or Ceremonies in the external Administration of the worship of God and requiring no other conditions of Church-Fellowship and Communion then that enjoyns and requires Nor hath our Answerer more reason to say That many Assemblies of Christians Independent one 〈◊〉 of another though living under the same civil Government do weaken and will at last destroy Christianity Than others That National and Provincial Churches rejecting at the Popes Supremacy destroy the Unity of the Church and endanger the very being of Christian Religion Nor yet That from such small beginnings and Independent Communions there would have been no more possibility to have spread and propagated Christianity in the world than an Army divided and scatter'd into Parties could be able Encounter with another that was Vnited and observ'd all the Orders of the chief commander since as the Apostle tells us God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the mighty and experience hath told us That from such small beginnings and Independent Communions Christianity hath been spread and propagated over the world But if as he intimates An Army divided and scatter'd into Parties is not able to Encounter another that is Vnited and observes all the Orders of the chief Commander How will those National and Provincial Reformed Churches which are but divided and scatter'd Parties of the Christian Army and Independent one 〈◊〉 of another be able to Encounter the Papacy which is United and observes all the Orders of their chief Commander So strangely does prejudice and Partiality blind men as that they see not how they argue against themselves unless they are of that Army whose Principles and Practices they embrace and follow while they would be thought to skirmish with it This Answerer may therefore know if he pleases That though the Church be compared to an Army it is not in being like Officer'd as having a Leiutenant or Vicar-General Major-Generals Colonels c. or such like subordination of Officers depending upon or centering in one and yet th◠is not without her Officers who though at the head but of single Companies observing all the Orders of their Chief Commander are and have been able to Encounter the United Power of Men and Devils making War against the Lamb and his followers But our Answerer having explain'd as he tells us One of the main vitals of Christianity viz. The Vnity of the Church advises his Reader farther to consider That in the days of Christs abiding upon Earth there could not possibly be any Law for the preservation of its Vnity for the reason he mentions and therefore Jesus Christ gave Power and Authority to his Apostles and their Successors to Institute such Ceremonies and Rituals in Religion as they in their own Prudence should judge most agreable to the manners and Customs of the Nations they should convert and which tended to promote true Piety and goodness in their hearts and lives But for this the Reader is desired likewise to consider we have but his bare word he not offering the least proof of any such Power committed by Jesus Christ to his Apostles and their Successors the Commission he gave unto his Apostles being but to teach the observation of such things as he had commanded them so far was he from leaving it to them and much less to the prudence of their Successors to Institute and appoint such Rituals in Religion as they should think good These things therefore are fondly and groundlessly asserted and no less inconsistent with what himself but now said than repugnant to the Gospel For if those Rites which were agreeable to one sort of People would not be so unto others and the Governours of the Church were to appoint as he says such Rituals in Religion as in their prudence they should judge most agreeable to the manners and Customs of those Nations they should convert what becomes of his main principle of all Christian Amity and Affection The visible Vnity of Communion in the external Administration of Gods Sacred Worship which he but now told us ought to be uniform and undevided 〈◊〉 it is so far from being impossible that in the days of Christs abode upon Earth there should be as he says any Law made for the preservation of the Churches Vnity that it is altogether impossible as hath been demonstrated that any but Jesus Christ or less then an omnipotent Power should be able to Enact any such Law Neither hath our Lord Christ Instituted any Rite or Ceremony in Religion but what will very well suit with the Manners and Customs of all Nations He would never else have commanded his Disciples to teach all Nations to observe all things whatsoever he commanded them Yet so fond is our Answerer of his fancies as to repeat them in telling us That when Christ made void the Law of Ceremonies in the Jewish Church he intended though he gives us no evidence of such his intention to inspire the minds of his Apostles and their Successors with so much soundness and integrity of wisdom and understanding that they should be able by their own Reasons to Enact such Laws and Orders as should preserve the external Vnity of the Church and render Religion so amiable as that it should not be quite naked and destitute of all external Ornament and Beauty In which he expresses but his own vain and carnal thoughts of Religion Christian Religion being certainly most amiable when most suitable to the simplicity of the Gospel the beauty of whose worship consists not in external Rites and Ceremonies in which even where they most exceed it comes far short of the Ceremonies and Ordinances under the Law and yet the