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A40216	A New-England-fire-brand quenched being something in answer unto a lying, slanderous book, entituled, George Fox digged out of his burrows, &c. printed at Boston in the year 1676, of one Roger Williams of Providence in New-England ... : of a dispute upon XIV, of his proposals held and debated betwixt him, the said Roger Williams, on the one part, and John Stubs, William Edmundson, and John Burnyeat on the other at Providence and Newport in Rode-Island, in the year 1672 where his proposals are turn'd upon his own head, and there and here he was and is sufficiently confuted : in two parts : as also, something in answer to R.W.'s Appendix, &c. with a post-script confuting his blasphemous assertions ... : also, the letters of W. Coddington of Rode-Island, and R. Scot of Providence in New-England concerning R.W. and lastly, some testimonies of ancient & modern authors concerning the light, Scriptures, rule & the soul of men / by George Fox and John Burnyeat.	Fox, George, 1624-1691.; Burnyeat, John, 1631-1690.	1678 (1678)	Wing F1864; ESTC R3637	449,863	526

Bone of his Bone to wit as the Apostle saith R. W. Replieth Here half an Eye may see how he giveth no other Presence or Absence of Christ but Invisible and Spiritual and subtily affirmeth that Christ Jesus hath no Bodily Presence at all c. Answ. Let the Sober Reader Judge and see in G. F.'s Answer how R. W. abuseth G. F.'s Words in his saying G. F. Subtily affirmeth That Christ hath no Bodily Presence at all because he witnesseth his Spiritual Presence R. W. He Bringeth J. Bunyon from G. F.'s Fol. p. 10. saying That Christ was not in his Disciples when he said I am the Light of the World G. F. Answereth And so corrected by Christ I in you and you in me And further he bringeth from G. F.'s Fol. p. 12. J. B's words The Body of Christ is out of the Sight of all his Saints G. F. Answ. And the Apostle saith They sate in Christ in Heavenly Places and the Saints are Flesh of his Flesh and Bone of his Bone that were his Church which he is the Head of his Body So far R. W. bringeth his Words but these following he hath left out and then calleth them Short Answers to wit Every one that Eateth his Flesh knoweth his Body given for the Life of the World and the Body of Christ is not out of the Sight of his Saints that are the Church Therefore you Ministers and Teachers that say Christ's Body is out of the Sight are not Saints neither are you His Church which is his Body neither Eat you his Flesh how can you Eat it being out of your Sight nor know that which is Given for the Life of the World But you are Out of the Sight of his Church which is his Body And was Christ and his Body out of the Sight of Stephen when he was stoned to Death when he saw Christ standing at the Right Hand of God Act. 7 26 27. And was Christ and his Body out of the Sight of the Seven Churches who walked in the midst of the Seven Golden Candlesticks which were the Seven Churches Rev. 1.2 Or was he out of the Sight of John that writ the Revelations and is he out of the Sight of them that are the Holy City Revel 2 22. R. W. Replieth In which and all his Book over though he own a Christ without that died at Jerusalem in Word yet he allows in Effect no other Body but what is Mystical c. so that with Notorious Jugling and Jesuitical Impudence c. they leave him in his Body no more Blood to shed then is in a Spirit c. Answ. Here R. W. doth Confess That G. F. owneth that Christ that died at Jerusalem And yet he Contradicteth himself and saith He alloweth to Christ no other Body but what is Mystical and Spiritual and yet himself saith That Christ is the Head of his Church as a Man's head is to his Body and then how can it be Out of his Sight But what must we understand by R. W.'s words That Christ is in Heaven with a Carnal Body doth not the Scripture speak of Spiritual Bodies and must not the Saints be made like unto his Glorious Body and is that Carnal is it not Mystical to all the World And the Apostle saith speaking of the Resurrection It is Sown a Natural Body and riseth a Spiritual Body and if the Saints must be raised a Spiritual Body and Christ in Heaven with a Carnal Body how doth this consist togegether R. W There is a Natural Body and there is a Spiritual Body and who is it that hath a Spiritual Body is it the First Adam or the Last for The First Adam is of the Earth Earthly and the Second Man is the LORD FROM HEAVEN and so hath not he a Heavenly Body seeing as the Saints have born the Image of the Earthly so they must the Heavenly And therefore how is now Christ in Heaven with an Earthly Carnal Body as some priests have affirmed against us which hath been the Reason of these Discourses 1. Corinth 15. But John in his Revel telleth thee That Christ walketh in the midst of his Churches and John telleth thee what Christ's Eyes and his Feet are like Revel 2. if thou hast an Ear to hear and Revel 1 12 13 14. of his Head and his Hair and his Countenance which John fell down at and do not thou say That we deny the Body of Christ who own it as the Scripture declare it And what must we Infer from R. W's words that saith We leave no more Blood in Christ's Body to be shed at all then in a Spirit what must Christ come down from Heaven at the Right Hand of God and shed his Blood again how proveth R. W. this prove this we Charge R. W. and all New-England-priests by Scripture Now the Saints Eating his Flesh and Drinking his Blood and his Blood Sprinkling the Consciences that is Scripture but to say that Christ hath yet to Shed his Blood that is Ignorance Now if this be R. W.'s and the New-England-priests Doctrine That Christ hath his Blood to Shed we tell him and them that He hath Shed his Blood without the Gates of Jerusalem for our Sins and risen for our Justification and was Dead and is Alive and Dieth no more but Liveth for Ever and we Eat his Flesh and drink his Blood through whom we have Life R. W. He bringeth G. F. Fol 17 En●ch Howet saying That It is Blasphemy to say that Christ is in Man as God-Man And R. W. saith G. F. Answers like a Cuckow in one silly Note G. F. Answ. How are they of his Flesh and of his Bone and doth not the Scripture say Christ in you and God will dwell in you and walk in you and are not his Saints of his Flesh and of his Bone and are they not Partakers of the Divine Nature And R. W. Replieth and Conf●sseth that the Saints by Receiving of Christ Jesus and by Believing in him did partake of the Divine Nature And further R. W. saith Some have been so Bold Bayards as to say they are Christ and God as much as he that Died at Jerusalem Christed with Christ and Godded with God A●sw These are R. W.'s own words he hath not brought forth his Author if he had had them from a Quaker we should have heard his Name in print but let the Reader see whether there be any such words in G. F.'s Answer to E. H And then he telleth a Great Story of the Nicolatians and Rant●rs which he might have kept at home R. W. And R. W. telleth That the Humane Nature and Soul and Body of Christ Jesus is so cross and opposite and contrary to their New Whimsical Christ the Light within c. and how that G. F. cannot endure the word Humane and how the word Humane is a Bugbear to G. F. in all his Book For thou say'st The word Humane signifies pertaining or belonging to man so

thou bring Hosanna's words which thou call'st Heavenly Author who saith G. F.'s fol. 221. The Evil done can never appear to be Evil by the Light now is not this Contradictory to the Apostle who saith Whatsoever is made manifest is by the Light c. And further thy Heavenly Author saith It is not in the Power of the Light to call any thing that is done Good or Evil Is not this to Contradict the Apostle who saith Whatsoever Reproveth and maketh Manifest is Light R. W. leaves out his Heavenly Author's saying in this for this was not for his Purpose nor none of the rest if he had Considered it in the Fear of God he would not have left it out but have judged it R. W. He bringeth from pag 217. Fol. the Saying of an Adversary of the People of God viz To say Christ within is never to mention Christ without G. F. Answ. There is none knoweth Christ within but he knoweth him without the same yesterday and to day and for ever And there is none that knoweth him but they know him within revealed of the Father which is beyond Flesh and Blood And R. W. Replieth and falleth a railing and saith This foolish Fox for all his hiding Craft is here found out he professes against his will a Christ that died at Jerusalem and therefore is he forced to name a Christ without c. and then falleth a railing Answ. As for his Vngracious Vnsavoury words they are not worth mentioning let the Reader see if G. F. ever denied Christ that died at Jerusalem in any of these pages that he hath brought or in any of the Quakers Writings And thou hast confest that we own Christ that died at Jerusalem and now thou say'st He is forced to name a Christ without He suffered without but doth G. F. say as thou say'st That he was born yesterday and to day and He died yesterday and he dies to day and he dies for ever are any of these words in G. F.'s Answer but did the Apostle say Christ died to day and yesterday c. when he said Christ the same to day yesterday and for ever R. W. But R. W. thou say'st Such a Christ as Really and Bodily died at Jerusalem they scorn and hate and fly from as the Devils did crying out c. Answ. Roger thou addst Lie unto Lie For that Christ that died at Jerusalem Bodily we own and it is thou that scornest it hatest that Light and fliest from it as the Devils did who hatest the Light of Christ which his Children believe in and become Children of Light And we do tell thee that Our Christ Suffered upon a Material Cross in the Flesh according to the Scripture without the Gates at Jerusalem Really and is risen and manifest in us by his Spirit And a great deal of scornful Expressions thou hast in this page which are not worth mentioning R. W. And thou bringst Fol. p. 211. John Burton's saying That that Man that was Crucified his Body is now in the Presence of the Father and Absent from his people as touching his Bodily Presence G. F. Answ. Doth not the Apostle say He is the Head of the Church and doth not the Apostle say They are of his Flesh and Bone and sit in heavenly places in Christ and Christ saith they must Eat his Flesh and HE IS IN THEM R.W. Thou Repliest and say'st G F. doth plainly deny Jesus Christ to have such a Body as could be born of a Woman wrapped in swadling-cloths c. as could be hungry weary sleep c. buffeted whipped nail'd to the Gallows die be buried arise and ascend up visibly into these Visible Heavens now in the Presence of his Father and Absent from his people on Earth touching his Bodily Presence Answ. Let the Reader see if G. F. speaketh any such words who owneth Christ Jesus and he and the people called Quakers deny his false Charge And how canst thou own that Christ thou speakest of that was wrapped and in the Manger and buffeted and nailed to the Cross and is risen and at the Right Hand of God and not own his Light by which he enlightneth all men c for we do abhor thy words in the Light and Power and Spirit of Christ Jesus who was wrapt in swadling-Cloths and in the Manger and was an hungry c. buffeted whipt and nailed to the Cross died risen and is Ascended far above all the Heavens and now in the Presence of his Father yet manifest in his Saints by his Spirit who Eat of his Flesh and drink of his Blood by which they have Life in him and sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus But did ever the Quakers say That Christ's Bodily or Humane Presence as thou call'st it is here now upon the Earth as an Outward Man R. W. From p. 210. fol. He bringeth J. Borton's our Old Adversary's saying Christ went away into Heaven from his Disciples and so not within them G. F. Answ. Did not he say that he would Come again to them and did he not say that he was in them to wit I in you and you in me read John for Christ said it in his Prayer And did not the Apostle say Christ is in you except ye be Reprobates and The Hope of Glory And was not he revealed in the Apostle and so in him and did not the Apostle preach Christ within as well as without and you will have us preach him without and not within so is not this to keep people Reprobates And again R. W. bringeth from Fol. the same page Those Believers that are in the Body at this day are Absent from the Lord. G. F. Answ. Doth not the Apostle say Christ is in them except they be Reprobates and he is in them the Hope of Glory And the Saints had fellowship with God the Father John 1 and God will dwell in them and walk in them And he that believeth believeth in him to wit God and Christ and so not Absent who are grafted into him and abide in the Vine So all the Priests Work hath been to preach Christ Absent and out of his people that the Devil may rule in the Hearts not Christ. And he bringeth the same page fol. 210. They say He is absent from them as touching his Flesh. G. F. Answ. Doth not the Apostle say They are of his Flesh and of his Bone and they that Eat not his Flesh have not Life in them and they Sit in Heavenly Places in him and he that Eateth his Flesh hath it in him Again in the same page Fol. R. W. bringeth the Priest's saying There is not any Heaven within into which the Man Christ is Ascended or can any man contain a Man four foot long G. F. Answ. Christ is a Mystery and is not he to be Revealed within who is a Mystery He who did Ascend to be Reveal'd and made Manifest in his Saints in Flesh and Spirit that did

Spirit as literally and properly as the Scripture declareth him And thou say'st again That W. Edm. shewed but little Philosophy and Divinity Doth not the Apostle bid the Saints Beware of Philosophy and if they had known God and Divinity by it the Apostle would not have bidden them beware of it surely And thou say'st That W. Edm. affirmed that properly and really that Scripture of Wolves coming in Sheeps-Cloathing was to be understood Literally without Meaning And what meaning wilt thou give to Christ's Words are not Men called Wolves really that worry Christ's Sheep about Religion for Christ doth not say They are Wolves with four Feet and when Christ spoke Parables he said He that hath an Ear let him hear and sometimes he expounded them to his Disciples And the Scripture calling God a Father and a Husband and Christ a Rock and Christ's Believers are called a Body a House a Flock are they not really so for it doth not say They are a Flock of Sheep as outwardly or other Creatures nor an outward House c. And then thou goest on with a great Tale and tell'st What the Papists hold and what is amongst them Roger though thou and you of New-England are separated from the Church of Rome yet you are found in the same Old Spirit of Persecution R. W. And whereas thou say'st By God's holy and wise Permission the Devil sends out his old known Spirit of pure Invisibles and pure Immediate and pure Worshippers in Spirit and Truth Answ. Roger do not Blaspheme against the Holy Spirit of God For is not God's Spirit and Truth Holy and Pure in which he is Worshipped and is not God's Holy Spirit Invisible or is it Mediate R. W. And thou say'st This Spirit to wit of the Quakers being Cozen German to or Sworn Brother in Hellish Equivocation with the Jesuites c. Answ. These are thine and the New-England Priests Conditions as your Fruits have declared it for the Quakers obey the Commands of Christ who saith Swear not at all R. W. For thou say'st The Quakers Churches they are as they Childishly vapour Bodies without Wants or Distempers c. Answ. Reader see if there be any such Words in G. F's Answer for G. F. speaketh of the Mystical or Spiritual Body he doth not speak of Naturals nor Bodies of outward Families or Bodies of Nations and Cities or Armies Nor Visible Churches nor the Body of Visible Churches but the Spiritual Body For doth not the Apostle speak of a Spiritual Body and a Natural Body and so it is God that doth supply both And G. F. doth not speak of the outward Bodies of the Saints for is that Mystical R. W. And then thou say'st What known Divisions and Passions about J. Naylor's and others Cases what Envyings Cursings Apostasies and Moral Idolatry as that of Covetousness in this Colony known notoriously Answ. Thou hast not particulariz'd who they be and what is their Covetousness who is known so notoriously as thou say'st in that Colony therefore we look upon this as a Slandering of thy Neighbours for we question whether thou hast admonished them if it was so before thou told the World And as for Cursings and Envyings and Divisions thou mightst have kept that amongst you New-England Professors but if any one do not walk as becometh the Gospel we do Admonish them And if there be any Difference about outward Matters according to the Apostle's Doctrine we do end it amongst our selves according to Truth and Righteousness 1 Cor. 6 and God hath given us Judgment in such Matters as well as Spiritual R. W. And thou say'st I have fairly Collected that the Spirit of the Quakers tends to Incivility and Barbarisme and to suddain Assassinations Murthers and Persecutions Answ. This is thine and the New-England Spirits whose Persecution is known for you have proved it already And thou wouldst have us punished and yet thou wouldst not have it called Persecution as in thy 200 page Is not your Law standing by which you Murdered God's People and do not your Laws and thy stirring up to Punishment Collect or declare your own Spirit not to be the Spirit of Christ for where would it have any to be punished for Matters of Religion and Conscience towards God And so as for thy Lies and abusive Speeches we can say The Lord forgive thee if it be his Will R. W. And thou say'st I believe that I have and can further make it good that the Eternal Father of Mercies stops millions of Mischiefs in the world daily which the Natures Grounds and Principles of Men and the Quakers Spirit also now to turn and overwhelme the world withal Answ. Here thou hast manifested thy self to be of the Spirit of them that opposed Paul who said he was a Pestilent Fellow and a Turner of the World upside down And as for the Principles of Men beside the Quakers they may answer for themselves and thy Slanders may serve such as are given up to believe Lies but sober People that know us will not receive nor believe thy Lies but it will make more to believe the Truth which thou canst not stop But let the Reader see if R. W. in all his Rambling Reply hath said any thing to the Spiritual or Mystical Body which was G. F's Question R. W. And thou bringst J. Clapham his saying Men may be called of Men Masters and it is but a Cavel to deny it and they may deny to be called Father as well as Master And G. F. Ans. Thou hast in this denyed the Doctrine of Christ and slighted it who saith Be not ye called of Men Master for ye have all one Master which is Christ and ye are all Brethren and thou hast shewed thy self out of that Brotherhood And there is a Birth to be born which calls no Man Father upon Earth which thou art ignorant of And R. W. replyeth and falleth a Railing and calleth it G. Foxs's lame Answer Answ. Let the Reader see if it be not Christ's Doctrine which he might as well have called Christ's Doctrine Lame which he Preached to his Disciples R. W. And thou say'st Among other Foolish Passions and Affections haunting all Men and the Quakers especially these two are notorious viz. Pride and a lazy Ignorance these two are the Sir and Dame of most of these Wild Monsters Answ. R. W. might have kept this at home for it is his own Condition who kicketh at Christ's Doctrine that G. F. brings who saith Neither be ye called of Men Master for one is your Master even Christ and ye are all Brethren And he manifests himself to be in the steps of the Pharisees who love to be called of Men Rabbi And so for his Foolish Passion and Pride c. and Lazy Ignorance and wild Monstrous Spirit he may apply at home who doth not obey Christ's Doctrine And we know that those Opposites have written against Christ's Doctrine who love to be called of Men Masters and against us

and the Apostle's Doctrine and plead for it And why should the Parliament and all Lawiers search well and appoint a Committee to examin if their Laws upon New appearances from Heaven have not need of Rectifying c. And as R.W. saith If Swearing be a part of God's worship c then did not R. W. Sin in not Swearing in the Chancery in England in leaving off a part of God's worship which he saith Swearing is But in this you may see how R. W. Contradicts himself and hath manifested what Love he hath to Christ and his Apostles who perverteth their words as he doth G. F's and Slights their Doctrine who saith Swear not at all R. W. And thou bring'st T. Moor saying It is not properly nor in a full sence that God is manifested in the flesh of his Saints but Roger hath quoted no page for this G. F. Answ. The Saints are the Temples of God and God dwells in them and they come to witness the Flesh of Christ and they glorify him in their Souls and bodies and the Lord is Glorifyed in their bringing forth much fruit and they witness his Seed to wit Christ the one Offering for Sin to be manifested within And such are not Reprobates that witness the One Offering Christ Jesus and they that have not him within they are Reprobates R. W. replyeth and saith A great designe of the Devil in all Ages hath been to Cavil at and hinder God's Love to mankind Answ. What! doth this hinder the Love of God to mankind and to have Christ manifest within them which is God's Love to the World And is it not the Devil's designe to deceive Man and keep his house and will suffer him to talk of Christ as long as he will but will not suffer the strong one to be bound and cast out And they that are Married to Christ who bruiseth the Serpent's head are they not of his flesh and of his bones and they that have the Son can praise God for his Love to fallen mankind R. W. And thou say'st Against this Lord Jesus Christ this old Serpent hisseth and rageth before his birth at his birth and after his birth c. Answ. We who have Christ formed in us have felt the Rage of the Old Serpent in this Age both in R.W. and the New England-Priests and professours as Christ and the Prophets and Apostles did in their Age by the professors of Christ in words as the Jews professed him to come in words And whereas thou rank'st the people of God called Quakers amongst the Libertines Manicheans Adamites Ranters c. these R. W. and the New-England-Priests might very well apply'd at home who have manifested your Order in the Dragon's power thou speakest of persecuting with Tongue and Hands as Michael the Arch-Angel when Contending with the Devil he disputed about the Body of Moses durst not bring against him a Railing Accusation but said The Lord Rebuke thee And now art not thou with thy Railing Accusations disputing about the Body and Flesh of Christ as thou may'st see in Jude and Zach 3. R. W. And whereas thou tell'st us What the Arrians hold But thou had'st better to see what thou held'st and did'st possess of Christ thy self And thou say'st But with Christ's Man-hood and the Scriptures the Devil and the Papists and the Quakers for the most part of them could with all their heart make an Everlasting parting The Devil 's End is to destroy this Saviour and Salvation to poor lost man she Quakers pretend their End to be the Exalting and Glorifying God in the Flesh of his Saints Answ. As for what the Papists and the Devil do thou may'st apply that at home who so often hast the Devil in thy Mouth And as for parting Christ Jesus from his God-head that is not our work for he is called the heavenly man the Second Adam a quickning Spirit And the Scripture we own and also are to Glorify God with our Souls and bodies which are his And we tell thee the Devil cannot destroy our Saviour Christ Jesus for he destroyeth the Devil and his Works but it 's like he may destroy your Imaginary Christ or Anti-Christ and set up another for Christ was dead and is alive and liveth for Evermore Revel 1 18 R. W. And thou say'st that G. F. plays upon the various meaning of the word Flesh he plays also upon those holy Scriptures viz God is glorifyed in the Souls and bodies of his Saints c. Answ. As for saying G. F. plays that thou might'st have applyed at home for his words are Scripture-phrases For must not all the Children of the New Covenant witness their bodies the Temp●es of God and him to dwell in them and wa●k in them by his Spirit and they to bring forth fruits of his Spirit and to Glorify God in their bodies and Souls c And we do know what the Protestants do hold and what you do hold in words concerning Christ who persecute us that do possess him and you had better possess him and let him Rule in your hearts by Faith and not the Dragon the Old persecutor For we own Christ in the promise in the prophecies who was born of a Virgin his Sufferings Resurrection in whom the fullness of the God-head dwells bodily and of his fulness have we Received Grace for Grace Col. 4 R. W. And thou say'st That G. F knowes his Opposite intends such a manifestation of God in the Flesh that renders the one Single person Christ Jesus the head of the Church and that they hold there is as much difference between that one Individual person Christ Jesus the Head and his Followers as between our heads and our bodies c. Answ. If you hold this this is a Nighness betwixt Christ and his Church but do you possess it And G. F knoweth his Opposites in the other Power 's days it was a wonder to them to hear of Christ's dwelling in people so G. F. knew their meaning very well And must not God that was manifested in the Flesh of Christ that one Single person must not he and his Father be manifest in his people by his Spirit and he to dwell in them Now as he did in the Apostle's days R. W. And thou say'st How poor and lame is it that because the Saints are God's Temple therefore they must be God himself Answ. Let the Reader see if there be any such words as these in G. F's Answer for G F's words are The Saints are the Temples of God and God will dwell in them as 1 Cor. 6. and 2 Cor. 6. G. F. doth not say The Saints are God as thou hast falsly forged And doth not the Apostle Exhort the Saints that Christ may dwell in their hearts by Faith Eph. 3. and therefore thou say'st They say they are Christ himself Let the Reader see if there be any such word in G. F's Answer and whether he has not abused G. F's words here

up Treasure in Heaven where the Thieves come not but by R. W.'s Argument as far as in them lay they can Rob him of it Thou say'st As far as in them lay but we must tell thee this cannot he said and thou speakest vainly though thou may'st Crucifie him to thy self a fresh And R. W. hath not proved this Assertion That we go about to do any such thing but it is his own Assertion that calleth his Light an Idol and we might very well Deny all thy Proofs seeing that thou could'st make none of them Good out of G. F.'s Book R. W. Thou say'st We deny that Visible Kingdom and Church and Institutions which he Christ as King over all his Subjects hath Soveraign Right unto and most faithfully and wisely Ordained to continue till his Coming again And thou say'st Thou Told us that G. F.'s his Book and all our Books and Professions denied any Visible Church of Christ at all and Visible Officers and that we maintain the Church was in God Answ. Christ saith His Kingdom is not of this World but an Everlasting Kingdom And how wilt thou prove that Christ's Kingdom is Visible is it not Spiritual and ruleth in the Hearts of his people and is not that a Spiritual Rule He Ruleth the Nations with a Rod of Iron is that Outward His Kingdom we do own though all his Subjects his people as to the Bodies be Visible and his Church yet he Ruleth them by his Invisible Power and Spirit And doth G. F.'s Book that thou brought'st and other Books or any of the Quakers Profession prove that the Church of Christ or Outward Congregations to wit the Bodies of his people were Invisible though we do maintain That the Church is in God as the Apostle saith 2 Thes. 1. And we Worship God in Spirit and in Truth and is not the Spirit Invisible and though the Outward Bodies of the Saints and Officers of the Church are Visible but the Holy Ghost that maketh them Officers and Over-seers is Invisible and is not Christ's Baptism with the Holy Ghost and Fire Invisible and is not this within And Christ saith If any one hear my Voice and open unto me I will come in to him and Sup with him and he with me Is this Supper Visible Revel 3 20. And as for Outward Bread Water and Wine art thou in that Practice thy self R. W. And thou say'st J. Stubs demanded of thee why thou Charged'st us of being Guilty and not Living in Church-Ordinance thy self Answ. J. Stubs had Good Reason to ask thee this Question seeing thou livest not in the Practice nor under the Exercise of none thy self as we understand And whom hath R. W. Fellowship withal or of what Church is he a Member of but is not R. W.'s like wild Ismael his Hand against every man the Bond-Woman's Son cast out of Abraham's Family the Father of the Faithful and well might J. Stubs reprove thee who livest in none and opposest us that do And thou goest over and over with thy Tautologies of Christ the King of Kings his Visible Kingdom and how that we turned all to Notions and Fancies of an Invisible Kingdom Roger are not the True Christians Christ's Army and Officers though they outwardly be Visible are the Weapons of Christ's Ministers and Officers Visible yet do not they say Their Weapons are Spiritual and not Carnal and is Spiritual Visible And doth not the Apostle say The Kingdom of God standeth not in Words but in Power and Joy in the Holy Ghost and is the Power of God and the Holy Ghost Visible in which the Kingdom standeth prove thou and the New-England priests this by Scripture though the Saints Bodies that possess this are Visible and thou may'st take thy Notions and Fancies to thy self of God and Christ's Kingdom R. W. After thy Search thou say'st Thou dost believe that some come nearer to the First Primitive Churches and Institutions and Appointments of Christ Jesus then others as in many Respects so in that Gallant and Heavenly and Fundamental Principle of the true Matter of a Christian Congregation Flock or Society viz Actual Believers True Disciples and Converts Living Stones c This was and I hope is the Principle of the New-English Church Answ. How now Roger art thou Flattering the NEW-ENGLAND-CHVRCH and Daubing of them here with thy Untempered Morter to get Favour who hast so long lived in the Woods and Wildernesses like Ismael but let us Examine this NEW-ENGLAND-CHVRCH with their Heavenly Fundamental Principles and try th●se Actual Believers True Disciples and Converts Living Stones c. which thou say'st Come nearer to the First Primitive Churches and Institutions and Appointments of Christ. And yet R. W. professeth That if his Soul could find Rest in Joining with any of the Churches professing Christ Jesus now Extant he would readily and gladly do it How now Roger canst thou not Join with those Actual Believers True Disciples and Converts Living Stones to wit The CHVRCH in NEW-ENGLAND which was and hopest she is and comes nearer to the Primitive Churches and Institutions and Appointments of Christ's Gallant and Heavenly Fundamental Principle Why canst not thou Join with this R. W. that thou hast extoll'd so high But Roger as we said before we must Try this CHVRCH of NEW-ENGLAND by the Fruits as Christ Commandeth us whether she be not the Whore and False Prophet and Strumpet and Anti-Christ and the Beast that hath her Power from the Dragon that made war with the Saints and the Whore that drunk the B●ood of the Saints and the inward●y Ravening Wolves that devour the Sheep in the Sheeps-Cloathing and inwardly Ravened from the Spirit of God and the Light which cometh from Christ Jesus which thou call'st an Idol and so have denied the True Lord Jesus Christ. And Christ saith We shall know them by the Fruits and so we must try them by the Fruits as Christ saith For Do men gather Grapes of Thorns or Figs of Thistles And now let AMERICA and EVROPE whom the Sound of the Fruits of this CHVRCH of NEW-ENGLAND is come into see if they be such as R. W. hath Characteriz'd them to be Have they not manifest themselves to be the Thorny Trees not the Vines and the Thistles not the Fig-trees by their Pricking and Tearing of God's Chosen Have they not manifested themselves to be the Wolves Worrying and Devouring of God's Lambs and Sheep and have they not HVNTED them with their Outward Dogs up and down the Woods Have they not WHIPT and TORN the very Bodies of Men and Women on Whip-stocks till they Tore the very Pa● of the tender Breast Have they not WHIPT WITH PITCHED ROPES the very Body to a Yelly Have they not HANG'D FOVR OF THE SERVANTS OF GOD upon the Gallows and BANISH'D MANY upon PAIN of DEATH Have they not made FINES that none should receive God's people nor a Book and ●aid GREAT FINES upon Masters of Ships that they should

G. F. answereth Fol. 330. Here any may read thy Confusion but I say unto thee He that believeth doth not commit Sin but Vnbelief is Sin Rom. 12 20 And Christ is the End of the Law to every one that believeth for Righteousness sake Rom. 10 4 and yet thou puttest both Believers and Vnbelievers under the power of the Law R. W. replieth and telleth How the Devil sinneth and Saul and Judas and Robbers and Murtherers and saith It is not so with the Regenerate or New-born Answ. who saith it is But thou say'st That the Seed of all Sin is in the New-born Append. pag. 96. and here thou say'st They can no more touch Sin unless deceived or circumvented then Fire can delight in Water or Light in Darkness How is all their Seeds in the Newborn then if it doth not touch them for mark thy words are In the New-born For the New-born are born of the Spirit are they not New-born Babes are born of the Immortal Seed of God how proveth R. W. with the New-England-priests that all the Seeds of Sin are in the New-born and yet it doth not touch them no more then Fire can delight in Water R. W. And further thou say'st That the Protestants have proved from the Scripture and Experience of all true Saints that Sin and Grace the Flesh and Spirit the Law of the Spirit and the Law of Sin may and do continue in the Regenerate or New-born contrary to that proud Perfection of Papists and Quakers in this Life c. And G. F.'s silly Shift saying that Paul was perfect and thanketh God for Victory c. Answ. We never read in the Scripture of such a Doctrine till R. W. New-England's Oratour hath publisht it That Flesh and Spirit and the Law of Sin should be in the New Birth in this Life This is contrary to the Apostle for he saith With his mind he served the Law of God but with the flesh the Law of sin so this was in the Flesh or Old-man Unmortified or put off so this Law of Sin and Flesh and Spirit was not in the Regenerate part or New-Birth as Doting R. W. saith but in the contrary Birth the Old Man And Paul did cry out Wretched man who shall deliver him and he saw no Man but Christ Jesus and thanketh God through him who gave him the Victory and was not Paul Perfect when he said As many as are perfect be thus minded But why cannot R. W. read as well Rom. 8. as Rom. 7. where the Apostle saith There is no Condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus who walk not after the Flesh but after the Spirit and the Law of the Spirit of Life maketh him free from the Law of Sin and Death so the Apostle saith he was a free Man from the Law of Sin and Death but R. W. giveth him the lye and saith There is a Combate with the Law of Sin in the New-born in this Life And so as for Silliness and Ignorance of the Saints Life R. W. and his New-England professors and priests may keep at home R. W. And thou say'st They are to strive after Perfection and Holiness c. as a Child going after his Father the Scholar or Maidens following their Copies and Samplers though they never come near the full Exactness and Perfection of them Answ. R. W. doth confound Reason among men and Short of the Truth What! shall the Scholar never learn his Lesson nor the Maidens learn their Samplars to be as perfect as their Masters and Teachers So the Children shall never come to an Exact Perfectness of Copies and Samplars nor a Child never to come to go as his Father doth nor to be in the Strength and Knowledge of outward things as his Father then what do all these learn their Copies and Samplars for if they never be to come near the full Exactness and Perfection of them But what shall we understand from R. W.'s Words and Doctrine in this That they that learn of Christ shall not be perfect as their Heavenly Father is Perfect as Christ commandeth and that the Saints shall not be sanctified throughout Body Soul and Spirit whil'st they be upon Earth and That Christ doth not sanctify his Church without Spot or Wrinkle and Blemish or any such thing and present them to God as on this side the Grave as Ephes. 5 But what doth R. W. and the New-England priests say to John 1 Joh. 2 He that abideth in Christ ought himself even also to walk as Christ walked and in another place So as he is so are we in this present World but let the Reader see what a silly Reply he hath given to G. F. here he speaketh nothing of Rom. 10. and 11. to the contradicting of them that which G. F. hath asserted R. W. bringeth in from G. F.'s fol. 338 John Nasmith Priest from Scotland saying That the Evil Spirits are both Sinful and Reasonable G. F. answereth This is a Lye for Reasonable is not Sinful Vnreasonable is Sinful 1 Thess. 3 They have not the Faith And if the Evil Spirit be Reasonable and the Good Spirit they are both One who then is Vnreasonable if the Evil Spirit be Reasonable Thou puttest no Difference betwixt the precious and the vile thou hast the Mark of a blind Guide and of a false Prophet in thy Fore-head R. W. Replieth and beginneth with Railing and saith First The filthy rash Fury of his Mind and Pen and saith 2dly This proud Pharisee will appear to be a Sadducee also and to bold no Angels nor Spirits It 's true they pretend to own Scripture Christ and Resurrection they with the Jesuites-Equivocations name Angels and Spirits but the bottom as some of them and that in Print discover is They hold there is but one Spirit which is in all into which all return and the Soul of Judas is as Happy as the Soul of Peter Answ. Reader this is nothing to G. F.'s Answer neither hath he nor can he make out any of these False Charges which he hath forged which be not our Words against us and therefore we can say When he speaketh a Lie he speaketh of himself and is the Father of it For where did ever any read in any of our Books or is there any thing in G. F.'s Answer that we hold There is but One Spirit in Man R. W. and the New-England-Priests have not we often told you that you have vexed and grieved and quenched the Spirit of God And we never said That Judas's Soul was as Happy as Peter's it was not like for Peter had fed the Lambs of Christ and Judas betrayed him to the Chief Priests as thou art doing now in his Saints who hast Crucified him to thy self a fresh And Christ and Scripture and Resurrection we own according to Scripture Really without any Pretence or Equivocation that is thy own Condition And R. W. thou say'st They hold neither Angel nor Spirit then again thou