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and_o a_o other_o affirm_v that_o justify_v faith_n be_v that_o whereby_o one_o firm_o believe_v that_o he_o be_v just_a which_o kind_n of_o faith_n other_o deny_v or_o the_o necessary_a extent_n of_o their_o faith_n see_v chill_a hold_v that_o there_o can_v be_v give_v a_o catalogue_n of_o point_n necessary_a to_o be_v believe_v explicit_o by_o all_o and_o therefore_o every_o one_o must_v either_o remain_v uncertain_a whether_o he_o believe_v all_o that_o be_v absolute_o necessary_a or_o else_o be_v oblige_v under_o damnation_n to_o know_v explicit_o all_o clear_a passage_n of_o scripture_n which_o be_v innumerable_a lest_o otherwise_o he_o put_v himself_o in_o danger_n of_o want_v what_o be_v indispensable_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n which_o be_v a_o burden_n no_o less_o unreasonable_a than_o intolerable_a even_o to_o man_n not_o unlearned_a and_o much_o more_o to_o vulgar_a person_n 15._o neither_o be_v there_o less_o dissiculty_n concern_v penance_n or_o true_a repentance_n than_o faith_n since_o protestant_n do_v not_o agree_v in_o what_o repentance_n consist_v and_o chill_a have_v a_o conceit_n different_a from_o the_o rest_n that_o true_a repentance_n require_v the_o effectual_a mortification_n of_o the_o habit_n of_o all_o vice_n which_o be_v a_o work_n of_o difficulty_n and_o time_n can_v be_v perform_v in_o a_o instant_n as_o he_o write_v pag._n 392._o n._n 8._o and_o therefore_o even_o that_o most_o perfect_a kind_n of_o sorrow_n which_o divine_v call_v contrition_n and_o be_v conceyve_v against_o sin_n for_o the_o love_n of_o god_n will_v not_o serve_v at_o the_o hour_n of_o one_o death_n because_o say_v he_o repentance_n be_v a_o work_n of_o difficulty_n and_o tyme._n 16._o morover_n it_o be_v impossible_a for_o protestant_n to_o prove_v evident_o out_o of_o scripture_n that_o the_o sacrament_n of_o baptism_n and_o penance_n be_v not_o necessary_a for_o salvation_n for_o where_o find_v they_o any_o such_o text_n if_o they_o say_v we_o must_v hold_v they_o not_o necessary_a because_o we_o find_v no_o such_o necessity_n evident_o express_v in_o scripture_n they_o do_v but_o beg_v the_o question_n and_o suppose_v that_o all_o thing_n necessary_a be_v contain_v in_o scripture_n beside_o that_o we_o have_v scripture_n for_o both_o nisi_fw-la quis_fw-la renatuâ—_n fuerit_fw-la &c_n &c_n untess_n one_o shall_v be_v bear_v again_o &c_n &c_n joan_n 3.5_o and_o who_o sin_n you_o retain_v they_o be_v retain_v joan._n 20.23_o and_o it_o be_v impossible_a for_o any_o man_n to_o show_v evident_o out_o of_o scripture_n that_o those_o text_n be_v not_o the_o facto_fw-la understand_v as_o we_o understand_v they_o since_o it_o be_v most_o evident_a that_o the_o word_n be_v capable_a of_o such_o a_o sense_n and_o consequent_o we_o can_v be_v certain_a but_o that_o such_o be_v their_o meaning_n unless_o they_o can_v bring_v some_o evident_a text_n to_o the_o contrary_a especial_o since_o that_o even_o divers_a chief_a learned_a protestant_n teach_v the_o necessity_n of_o baptism_n for_o child_n of_o the_o faithful_a as_o i_o show_v hereafter_o and_o certain_o if_o scripture_n be_v evident_a against_o this_o doctrine_n of_o catholic_n so_o many_o learned_a protestant_n can_v not_o but_o have_v see_v it_o 17._o the_o same_o i_o say_v of_o the_o sacrament_n of_o penance_n which_o divers_a learned_a protestant_n hold_v to_o be_v so_o necessary_a as_o some_o say_v that_o it_o be_v a_o wicked_a thing_n to_o take_v away_o private_a absolution_n and_o that_o they_o who_o contemn_v it_o do_v not_o understand_v what_o be_v remission_n of_o sin_n or_o the_o power_n of_o the_o key_n and_o that_o it_o be_v a_o error_n to_o affirm_v that_o confession_n make_v before_o god_n do_v suffice_v and_o that_o private_a confession_n be_v take_v away_o christ_n give_v the_o key_n in_o vain_a vide_fw-la triple_a cord_n chap._n 24._o pag._n 613._o and_o aquavitae_fw-la lutheri_fw-la autore_fw-la gasparo_n vienbergio_fw-la lippiensi_fw-la cap._n 30._o it_o be_v say_v osiander_n primus_fw-la ex_fw-la ministris_fw-la norinbergae_n
confessionem_fw-la privatam_fw-la urgebat_fw-la velut_fw-la necessariam_fw-la osiander_n be_v the_o first_o minister_n at_o norinberg_n who_o require_v private_a confession_n as_o a_o thing_n necessary_a 18._o now_o i_o argue_v in_o this_o manner_n some_o point_n in_o the_o opinion_n both_o of_o catholic_n and_o protestant_n be_v necessary_a to_o salvation_n for_o every_o particular_a person_n for_o example_n faith_n and_o repentance_n after_o deadly_a sin_n and_o yet_o we_o see_v that_o protestant_n differ_v both_o from_o catholic_n and_o disagree_v among_o themselves_o about_o the_o nature_n of_o faith_n and_o repentance_n and_o disagree_v so_o as_o that_o both_o side_n can_v have_v true_a faith_n and_o repentance_n for_o if_o true_a faith_n must_v be_v infallible_a chill_a and_o his_o associate_n can_v be_v save_v both_o because_o they_o believe_v and_o teach_v so_o capital_a a_o error_n and_o because_o they_o practise_v it_o be_v satisfy_v with_o a_o probable_a fallible_a faith_n the_o like_a i_o say_v of_o that_o justifi_a faith_n which_o calvinist_n hold_v necessary_a for_o justification_n and_o salvation_n against_o catholic_n and_o all_o other_o protestant_n even_a socinian_o who_o believe_v it_o to_o be_v a_o mere_a pernicious_a and_o presumptuous_a fancy_n as_o also_o the_o same_o may_v be_v say_v of_o baptism_n and_o the_o sacrament_n of_o penance_n which_o according_a to_o all_o catholic_n and_o diverse_a protestant_n be_v necessary_a to_o salvation_n against_o many_o other_o protestant_n therefore_o protestant_n must_v confess_v that_o all_o thing_n necessary_a to_o salvation_n be_v not_o evident_a in_o scripture_n unless_o they_o will_v pronounce_v a_o inevitable_a sentence_n of_o damnation_n against_o those_o who_o they_o call_v brethren_n as_o teach_v a_o error_n in_o matter_n necessary_a to_o salvation_n and_o practise_v in_o conformity_n to_o their_o error_n either_o by_o omit_v themselves_o or_o be_v cause_n by_o their_o doctrine_n that_o other_o neglect_v or_o ommit_v thing_n absolute_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n which_o judgement_n i_o believe_v they_o will_v not_o be_v hasty_a to_o frame_v against_o their_o brethren_n but_o rather_o will_v pretend_v to_o conceyve_v of_o these_o particular_a point_n of_o which_o we_o speak_v as_o chill_a pag_n 41._o n._n 13._o speak_v in_o general_a of_o person_n contrary_a in_o belief_n which_o may_v be_v concern_v point_n wherein_o scripture_n may_v with_o sogreat_a probability_n be_v allege_v on_o both_o side_n which_o be_v a_o sure_a note_n of_o a_o point_n not_o necessary_a that_o man_n of_o honest_a and_o upright_a heart_n true_a lover_n of_o god_n and_o truth_n such_o as_o desire_v above_o all_o thing_n to_o know_v god_n will_v and_o to_o do_v it_o may_v without_o any_o fault_n at_o all_o some_o go_v one_o way_n and_o some_o another_o which_o kind_n of_o opinion_n if_o they_o think_v fit_a to_o frame_v of_o their_o brethren_n as_o be_v man_n of_o honest_a and_o upright_a heart_n true_a lover_n of_o god_n and_o truth_n &c_n &c_n they_o must_v give_v i_o leave_v to_o infer_v that_o scripture_n be_v not_o evident_a in_o all_o point_n even_o where_o there_o be_v question_n of_o article_n absolute_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n 19_o which_o reason_n take_v from_o their_o mutual_a disagreement_n in_o necessary_a matter_n do_v prove_v that_o they_o be_v not_o evident_a in_o scripture_n according_a to_o chill_a say_v pag_n 61._o n._n 24._o the_o thing_n be_v not_o evident_a of_o itself_o which_o be_v evident_a because_o many_o do_v not_o believe_v it_o 20._o nay_o further_o i_o must_v infer_v that_o see_v in_o point_n absolute_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n charitas_fw-la propria_fw-la the_o virtue_n of_o charity_n as_o it_o respect_v ourselves_o oblige_v every_o one_o to_o choose_v the_o safe_a part_n and_o that_o protestant_n can_v find_v any_o evident_a scripture_n that_o the_o sacrament_n of_o baptism_n and_o penance_n be_v not_o necessary_a for_o salvation_n not_o only_o all_o catholic_n but_o divers_a chief_a protestant_n hold_v they_o to_o be_v necessary_a it_o follow_v that_o prorestant_n be_v oblige_v to_o believe_v they_o to_o be_v necessary_a and_o according_o to_o frame_v their_o practice_n neither_o can_v they_o be_v excuse_v by_o chill_a worth_n sayinge_v that_o it_o be_v a_o sure_a note_n of_o a_o point_n not_o necessary_a that_o scripture_n may_v with_o great_a probability_n be_v allege_v on_o both_o side_n because_o this_o excuse_n imply_v a_o beg_n of_o the_o question_n as_o if_o there_o be_v no_o mean_n to_o be_v assure_v of_o what_o be_v necessary_a to_o salvation_n except_o scripture_n alone_o yea_o rather_o he_o ought_v from_o the_o difficulty_n which_o he_o apprehend_v in_o scripture_n for_o these_o matter_n of_o so_o great_a moment_n necessary_o to_o infer_v that_o the_o write_a word_n take_v alone_o contain_v not_o evident_o all_o necessary_a point_n 21._o thus_o even_o in_o this_o first_o entrance_n it_o appear_v how_o not_o only_o untrue_a but_o unreasonable_a also_o this_o common_a tenet_n of_o protestant_n be_v 22._o which_o will_v yet_o be_v more_o manifest_a if_o we_o consider_v that_o whatsoever_o be_v necessary_a for_o the_o curch_n immediate_o as_o it_o be_v one_o community_n or_o body_n the_o same_o must_v be_v mediatè_fw-la necessary_a for_o every_o particular_a member_n as_o in_o a_o natural_a body_n whatsoever_o be_v necessary_a for_o preserve_v the_o whole_a be_v consequent_o necessary_a for_o every_o part_n which_o will_v be_v destroy_v by_o the_o destruction_n of_o the_o whole_a as_o also_o the_o destruction_n of_o all_o the_o part_n collective_n be_v the_o destruction_n of_o the_o whole_a and_o so_o if_o the_o scripture_n be_v nor_o evident_a in_o point_n necessary_a to_o salvation_n for_o every_o part_n immediatè_fw-la it_o will_v follow_v mediatè_fw-fr that_o it_o be_v not_o evident_a for_o all_o point_n necessary_a for_o the_o whole_a even_o though_o it_o want_v nothing_o immediate_o necessary_a forth_o whole_a as_o governor_n &c_n &c_n and_o there_o be_v in_o this_o a_o necessary_a connection_n between_o these_o consideration_n of_o the_o whole_a and_o every_o part_n it_o be_v true_a every_o man_n be_v not_o oblige_v to_o be_v bishop_n or_o a_o clergy_n man_n to_o absolve_v from_o sin_n to_o consecrate_v the_o eucharist_n jnflict_v consur_n to_o govern_v make_v law_n administer_v sacrament_n set_v down_o a_o liturgy_n or_o public_a worship_n of_o god_n and_o the_o like_a yet_o it_o be_v necessary_a for_o every_o one_o to_o be_v a_o member_n of_o the_o true_a church_n in_o which_o all_o these_o advantage_n must_v be_v find_v it_o be_v the_o first_o principle_n a_o among_o christian_n that_o remission_n of_o sin_n and_o salvation_n can_v be_v hope_v for_o out_o of_o thetrue_a church_n nor_o many_o grievous_a sin_n avoid_v if_o one_o be_v a_o member_n of_o a_o body_n govern_v by_o unlawful_a superior_n guide_v by_o unjust_a law_n destitute_a of_o power_n to_o punish_v offender_n feed_v with_o false_a sacramemt_n tie_v to_o a_o superstitious_a or_o sacrilegious_a liturgi_n &c_n &c_n and_o therefore_o as_o it_o be_v impossible_a to_o prove_v out_o of_o evident_a scripture_n all_o the_o point_n which_o concern_v immediate_o the_o whole_a body_n of_o the_o church_n so_o we_o must_v even_o for_o that_o same_o reason_n infer_v that_o it_o be_v not_o possible_a to_o prove_v out_o of_o evident_a scripture_n whatsoever_o be_v necessary_a for_o every_o particular_a person_n 23._o i_o have_v stay_v long_o in_o this_o entrance_n than_o i_o intent_a yet_o i_o hope_v not_o unprofitable_o since_o i_o have_v already_o prove_v as_o it_o be_v by_o a_o general_a view_n the_o improbability_n and_o impossibility_n that_o all_o thing_n necessary_a shall_v be_v contain_v evident_o in_o scripture_n take_v alone_o which_o by_o god_n holy_a assistance_n i_o hope_v to_o evince_v more_o in_o particular_a by_o the_o reason_n follow_v 24._o first_n see_v protestant_n will_v have_v nothing_o believe_v as_o matter_n of_o faith_n which_o be_v not_o evident_a in_o scripture_n this_o very_a principle_n of_o they_o that_o all_o thing_n necessary_a be_v evident_o contain_v in_o scripture_n must_v be_v evident_o prove_v out_o of_o scripture_n as_o the_o foundation_n of_o all_o their_o faith_n it_o must_v i_o say_v be_v prove_v by_o some_o text_n evident_o affirm_v not_o only_o that_o all_o point_n of_o faith_n be_v contain_v in_o scripture_n but_o that_o they_o be_v contain_v evident_o othetwise_o if_o it_o be_v but_o obscure_a we_o can_v have_v that_o certainty_n which_o be_v necessary_a to_o faith_n for_o this_o be_v a_o point_n not_o evident_a to_o natural_a reason_n but_o depend_v on_o god_n free_a determination_n we_o must_v only_o know_v it_o by_o revelation_n or_o the_o testimony_n and_o word_n of_o god_n that_o be_v according_a to_o protestant_n only_o by_o scripture_n now_o they_o be_v not_o able_a to_o produce_v any_o such_o evident_a text._n which_o will_v appear_v by_o answer_v and_o evident_o confute_v their_o
a_o gentile_a whereby_o one_o will_v apprehend_v that_o s._n paul_n judge_v it_o necessary_a at_o lest_o per_fw-la accidens_fw-la because_o all_o know_v that_o his_o father_n be_v a_o gentle_a that_o timothy_n shall_v be_v circumcise_v and_o yet_o contrary_o gal._n 2._o n._n 3._o it_o be_v say_v but_o neither_o titus_n whereas_o he_o be_v a_o gentil_n be_v compel_v to_o be_v circumcise_v it_o be_v therefore_o very_o clear_a that_o this_o point_v which_o you_o allege_v as_o clear_o express_v in_o scripture_n ought_v rather_o to_o be_v number_v among_o difficult_a and_o obscure_a place_n and_o direct_o against_o your_o inference_n that_o there_o be_v no_o need_n of_o a_o infallible_a guide_n show_v the_o necessity_n of_o such_o a_o guide_n because_o this_o determination_n about_o the_o mosaical_a law_n be_v a_o definition_n of_o a_o counsel_n and_o must_v be_v declare_v by_o the_o practice_n of_o god_n church_n as_o be_v concern_v some_o thing_n not_o to_o be_v always_o observe_v but_o intend_v to_o be_v order_v by_o the_o say_a church_n without_o who_o authority_n how_o shall_v we_o know_v when_o and_o in_o what_o manner_n the_o keep_n of_o the_o mosaical_a law_n become_v both_o unnecessary_a and_o damnable_a mortua_fw-la and_o mortifera_fw-la dead_a and_o deadly_a since_o we_o see_v some_o part_n thereof_o observe_v by_o the_o apostle_n after_o our_o saviour_n ascension_n and_o send_v the_o holy_a ghost_n 36._o but_o at_o least_o though_o you_o have_v err_v in_o the_o first_o part_n of_o your_o example_n concern_v the_o evidence_n of_o scripture_n that_o the_o keep_n of_o the_o mosaical_a law_n be_v not_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n yet_o you_o have_v undoubted_o prove_v your_o purpose_n in_o the_o other_o part_n that_o good_a work_n be_v necessary_a to_o salvation_n 37._o to_o this_o i_o answer_v it_o be_v strange_a you_o shall_v hold_v this_o point_n of_o the_o necessity_n of_o good_a work_n to_o salvation_n to_o be_v so_o evident_a in_o scripture_n that_o 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who_o son_n elias_n have_v raise_v to_o life_n say_v now_o in_o this_o i_o have_v know_v that_o thou_o be_v a_o man_n of_o god_n and_o the_o word_n of_o our_o lord_n in_o thy_o mouth_n be_v true_a christ_n matt_n 11._o v._o 3.4.5_o be_v ask_v whether_o he_o be_v the_o messiah_n prove_v himself_o to_o be_v such_o by_o the_o miracle_n which_o he_o wrought_v the_o blind_a see_v the_o lame_a walk_n the_o leper_n be_v make_v clean_o the_o deaf_a hear_v the_o dead_a rise_n again_o which_o word_n signify_v that_o miracle_n be_v not_o only_o effectual_a but_o necessary_a to_o prove_v the_o truth_n of_o a_o doctrine_n contrary_a to_o what_o be_v receyve_v before_o yea_o joan_n 5.36_o miracle_n be_v call_v a_o great_a testimony_n they_o john_n marc_n ult_n they_o preach_v every_o where_o our_o lord_n work_v withal_o and_o consirm_v the_o word_n with_o sign_n that_o follow_v 2._o cor_n 12._o v._o 12._o the_o sign_n of_o my_o apostleship_n have_v be_v do_v upon_o you_o in_o all_o patience_n and_o 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because_o we_o can_v in_o this_o life_n hope_v to_o triumph_v over_o all_o sin_n as_o potter_n speak_v so_o neither_o can_v her_o communion_n be_v forsake_v for_o error_n not_o fundamental_a see_v the_o doctor_n say_v also_o that_o the_o church_n may_v not_o hope_v to_o triumph_v over_o all_o error_n 8._o another_o argument_n charity_n maintain_v n._n 25._o take_v from_o these_o word_n of_o potter_n pag_n 75._o there_o neither_o be_v nor_o can_v be_v any_o just_a cause_n to_o depart_v from_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n no_o more_o than_o from_o christ_n himself_o but_o to_o depart_v from_o a_o particular_a church_n and_o namely_o from_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n in_o some_o doctrine_n and_o practice_n there_o may_v be_v just_a and_o necessary_a cause_n though_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n want_v nothing_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n mark_v what_o he_o say_v there_o can_v be_v no_o cause_n to_o depart_v from_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n and_o yet_o he_o teach_v that_o the_o church_n 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salvation_n but_o i_o will_v no_o further_o urge_v this_o most_o solemn_a foppery_n and_o do_v much_o more_o willing_o put_v all_o catholic_n in_o mind_n what_o a_o unspeakable_a comfort_n it_o be_v that_o our_o adversary_n be_v force_v to_o confess_v that_o they_o can_v clear_v themselves_o from_o schism_n otherwise_o than_o by_o acknowledge_v that_o they_o do_v not_o nor_o can_v cut_v off_o from_o the_o hope_n of_o salvation_n our_o church_n which_o be_v as_o much_o as_o if_o they_o shall_v in_o plain_a term_n say_v they_o must_v be_v damn_v unless_o we_o may_v be_v save_v moreover_o this_o evasion_n do_v indeed_o condemn_v your_o zealous_a brethren_n of_o heresy_n for_o deny_v the_o church_n perpetuity_n but_o do_v not_o clear_v yourself_o from_o schism_n which_o consist_v in_o be_v divide_v from_o that_o true_a church_n with_o which_o a_o man_n agree_v in_o all_o point_n of_o faith_n as_o you_o must_v profess_v yourself_o to_o agree_v with_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n in_o all_o fundamental_a article_n for_o otherwise_o you_o shall_v cut_v she_o off_o from_o the_o hope_n of_o salvation_n and_o so_o condemn_v yourself_o of_o schism_n and_o last_o even_o according_a to_o this_o your_o own_o definition_n of_o schism_n you_o can_v clear_v yourself_o from_o that_o crime_n unless_o you_o be_v content_a to_o acknowledge_v a_o manifest_a contradiction_n in_o your_o own_o assertion_n for_o if_o you_o do_v not_o cut_v we_o off_o from_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n and_o the_o hope_n of_o salvation_n how_o come_v you_o to_o say_v pag._n 20._o that_o you_o judge_v a_o reconciliation_n with_o we_o to_o be_v damnable_a and_o pag_n 75._o that_o to_o depart_v from_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n there_o may_v be_v just_a and_o necessary_a cause_n and_o pag_n 79._o that_o they_o that_o have_v the_o understanding_n and_o mean_n to_o discover_v their_o error_n and_o neglect_v to_o use_v they_o we_o dare_v not_o flatter_v they_o with_o so_o easy_a a_o censure_n of_o hope_n of_o 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particular_a to_o infer_v a_o general_a rule_n to_o determine_v what_o be_v the_o property_n of_o schism_n thus_o far_o charity_n maintain_v and_o indeed_o this_o may_v seem_v a_o good_a argument_n the_o church_n of_o rome_n want_v something_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n therefore_o it_o be_v lawful_a and_o necessary_a to_o forsake_v she_o but_o not_o this_o we_o have_v forsake_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n but_o yet_o so_o as_o we_o believe_v she_o want_v nothing_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n therefore_o we_o be_v not_o schismatic_n 11._o a_o three_o devise_v potter_n have_v to_o clear_a protestant_n from_o schism_n say_v pag_n 75._o there_o be_v a_o great_a difference_n between_o a_o schism_n from_o they_o and_o a_o reformation_n of_o ourselves_o but_o this_o say_v charity_n maintain_v n._n 29._o be_v a_o subtlety_n by_o which_o all_o schism_n and_o sin_n
may_v be_v excuse_v for_o no_o body_n can_v intend_v evil_a but_o for_o some_o motive_n of_o virtue_n profit_n or_o pleasure_n and_o since_o their_o pretend_a reformation_n do_v consist_v as_o they_o give_v out_o in_o forsake_v the_o corruption_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n the_o reformation_n of_o themselves_o and_o their_o division_n from_o we_o fall_v out_o to_o be_v one_o and_o the_o self_n same_o thing_n and_o so_o if_o it_o be_v not_o lawful_a to_o forsake_v we_o it_o be_v not_o lawful_a to_o reform_v themselves_o by_o forsake_v us._n beside_o we_o see_v the_o they_o disagree_v infinite_o in_o the_o particular_n of_o their_o pretend_a reformation_n and_o therefore_o the_o thing_n upon_o which_o their_o first_o thought_n do_v pitch_v be_v not_o any_o particular_a model_n or_o idea_n of_o religion_n but_o a_o conceit_n that_o their_o most_o necessary_a and_o as_o i_o may_v say_v immediate_a reformation_n do_v consist_v in_o forsake_v the_o roman_a church_n 12._o an_o other_o 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that_o of_o s._n cyprian_n be_v be_v sufficient_a to_o make_v a_o man_n incur_v the_o guilt_n of_o schism_n and_o consequent_o that_o although_o the_o protestant_n who_o deny_v the_o pope_n to_o be_v supreme_a head_n of_o the_o church_n do_v think_v by_o that_o heresy_n to_o clear_a luther_n from_o schism_n in_o disobey_v the_o pope_n yet_o that_o will_v not_o serve_v to_o free_v he_o from_o schism_n as_o it_o import_v a_o division_n from_o the_o obedience_n or_o communion_n of_o the_o particular_a bishop_n diocese_n church_n and_o country_n where_o he_o live_v thus_o charity_n maintain_v and_o to_o this_o purpose_n optatus_n say_v excellent_o lib_n 1._o the_o business_n in_o hand_n be_v concern_v separation_n in_o asrica_n as_o in_o all_o other_o province_n likewise_o there_o be_v but_o one_o church_n before_o it_o be_v divide_v by_o those_o who_o ordain_v majorinus_n in_o the_o chair_n upon_o which_o by_o succession_n thou_o be_v set_v the_o matter_n therefore_o to_o be_v r_o consider_v 〈◊〉_d which_o of_o the_o two_o party_n have_v remain_v in_o the_o root_n with_o the_o â—â—â—le_a world_n which_o of_o they_o go_v out_o which_o of_o they_o be_v set_v upon_o a_o new_a chair_n which_o heretofore_o be_v not_o in_o be_v which_o of_o they_o have_v raise_v a_o altar_n against_o a_o altar_n which_o of_o they_o make_v a_o ordination_n during_o the_o life_n time_n of_o he_o who_o be_v before_o ordain_v last_o which_o of_o they_o be_v obnoxious_a to_o the_o sentence_n of_o s._n john_n the_o apâ—â—â—e_n who_o fortolde_v that_o many_o antichrist_n will_v go_v out_o of_o the_o church_n 13._o in_o confirmation_n of_o this_o argument_n we_o may_v allege_v dr._n andrew_n respon_n add_v epist_n 1._o molinaei_n pag_n 171._o commend_v molinaeus_n in_o condemn_v aërius_n for_o oppose_v the_o consent_n of_o the_o universal_a church_n the_o word_n of_o molinaeus_n be_v quoth_v in_o re_fw-la pridem_fw-la &_o ubique_fw-la recepta_fw-la ausus_fw-la sit_fw-la opponere_fw-la se_fw-la consensui_fw-la vniversalis_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la which_o the_o first_o protestant_n do_v by_o oppose_v themselves_o to_o the_o whole_a church_n extant_a before_o they_o and_o consequent_o to_o the_o consent_n of_o the_o church_n universal_a in_o like_a manner_n we_o have_v hear_v dr._n taylor_n pag._n 327._o say_v that_o to_o separate_v from_o the_o bishop_n make_v a_o man_n at_o least_o a_o schismatic_n and_o pag_n 329._o that_o it_o be_v also_o heresy_n now_o who_o do_v not_o see_v that_o the_o first_o protestant_n do_v separate_v themselves_o from_o all_o bishop_n and_o therefore_o must_v be_v both_o schismatic_o and_o heretic_n let_v man_n therefore_o pretend_v as_o much_o as_o they_o please_v to_o shed_v tear_n and_o be_v ready_a even_o to_o shed_v their_o blood_n for_o procure_v unity_n among_o christian_n their_o thought_n and_o endeavour_n will_v be_v in_o vain_a unless_o they_o resolve_v to_o return_v to_o that_o body_n from_o which_o they_o separate_v themselves_o and_o be_v but_o part_n make_v a_o division_n from_o the_o whole_a a_o truth_n so_o clear_a that_o even_o the_o wise_a of_o our_o adversary_n acknowledge_v it_o and_o in_o particular_a one_o of_o the_o most_o erudite_fw-la eloquent_a experience_a and_o learned_a protestant_n hugo_n grotius_n confess_v that_o union_n can_v be_v hope_v for_o in_o the_o church_n except_o by_o be_v conjoin_v with_o those_o who_o be_v unite_v with_o the_o sea_n of_o rome_n his_o word_n be_v these_o rivetiani_n apologetici_fw-la discuss_v pag_n 255._o restitutionem_fw-la christianorum_fw-la in_o unum_fw-la idemque_fw-la corpus_fw-la semper_fw-la optatam_fw-la a_o grotio_n sciunt_fw-la qui_fw-la eum_fw-la norunt_fw-la existimavit_fw-la autem_fw-la aliquando_fw-la incipi_fw-la posse_fw-la a_o protestantium_fw-la inter_fw-la se_fw-la conjunctione_n postea_fw-la vidit_fw-la id_fw-la plane_n fieri_fw-la nequire_v quia_fw-la praeterquam_fw-la quod_fw-la calvinistarum_fw-la ingenia_fw-la ferme_fw-fr omnium_fw-la ab_fw-la omni_fw-la pace_fw-la sunt_fw-la alienissima_fw-la protestant_n nullo_n inter_fw-la se_fw-la communi_fw-la ecclesiastico_fw-la regimine_fw-la sociantur_fw-la quae_fw-la causae_fw-la sunt_fw-la cur_n factae_fw-la part_n in_o unum_fw-la prótestantium_fw-la corpus_fw-la colligi_fw-la nequeant_fw-la imò_fw-la &_o cur_n part_n aliae_fw-la atque_fw-la aliae_fw-la sint_fw-la exsurrect_v urae_fw-la quare_fw-la nunc_fw-la planè_fw-la ita_fw-la sentit_fw-la grotius_n &_o multi_fw-la cum_fw-la ipso_fw-la non_fw-la posse_fw-la protestant_n interse_v jungi_fw-la nisi_fw-la simul_fw-la jungantur_fw-la cum_fw-la ijs_fw-la qui_fw-la sedi_fw-la romanae_fw-la coherent_a sine_fw-la qua_fw-la nullum_fw-la sperari_fw-la potest_fw-la in_o ecclesia_fw-la common_a regimen_fw-la ideo_fw-la optat_fw-la ut_fw-la ea_fw-la divulsio_fw-la quae_fw-la even_o it_o &_o causae_fw-la divulsionis_fw-la tollantur_fw-la inter_fw-la eas_fw-la causas_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la primatus_fw-la episcopi_fw-la romani_fw-la secundum_fw-la canonas_fw-la fatente_fw-la melanctone_n qui_fw-la eum_fw-la primatum_fw-la etiam_fw-la necessarium_fw-la putat_fw-la ad_fw-la retinendam_fw-la unitatem_fw-la neque_fw-la enim_fw-la hoc_fw-la est_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la subijcere_fw-la pontificis_fw-la libidine_fw-la sed_fw-la reponere_fw-la ordinem_fw-la sapienter_fw-la institutum_fw-la 14._o and_o this_o argument_n draw_v from_o the_o grievous_a sin_n and_o deformity_n of_o a_o part_n in_o forsake_v the_o whole_a be_v of_o force_n to_o move_v that_o bold_a and_o obdurate_a hart_n of_o luther_n in_o the_o midst_n of_o his_o full_a cup_n and_o sensual_a pleasure_n and_o i_o beseech_v all_o protestant_n for_o the_o love_n they_o bear_v to_o that_o sacred_a ransom_n of_o their_o soul_n the_o blood_n of_o our_o bless_a saviour_n attentive_o to_o ponder_v and_o unpartial_o to_o apply_v to_o their_o own_o conscience_n what_o this_o man_n speak_v concern_v the_o feeling_n and_o remorse_n of_o he_o how_o often_o say_v he_o tom_n 2._o germ_v jen_n folly_n 9_o &_o tom_n 2._o witt_n of_o anno_fw-la 1562._o the_o abrog_n miss_n private_a folly_n 244._o do_v my_o tremble_a heart_n beat_v within_o i_o and_o reprehend_v i_o object_n against_o i_o that_o most_o strong_a argument_n be_v thou_o only_o wise_a do_v
her_o communion_n and_o by_o ecclesiastical_a censure_n oblige_v they_o to_o do_v that_o which_o otherwise_o they_o be_v by_o divine_a law_n most_o strict_o oblige_v to_o perform_v and_o further_o if_o the_o separation_n be_v causeless_a the_o separatist_n from_o the_o external_a communion_n of_o the_o church_n do_v joint_o leave_v the_o church_n either_o by_o profess_v a_o different_a faith_n or_o deny_v obedience_n both_o to_o the_o church_n and_o to_o god_n who_o command_v we_o not_o to_o forsake_v the_o communion_n of_o the_o church_n faith_n and_o obedience_n be_v those_o requisite_n which_o say_v you_o constitute_v a_o man_n a_o member_n of_o a_o church_n and_o so_o all_o be_v reduce_v to_o your_o memorandum_n a_o causeless_a separation_n from_o the_o external_a communion_n of_o any_o church_n be_v the_o sin_n of_o schism_n yourself_o say_v express_o pag_n 267._o n._n 38._o the_o cause_n in_o this_o matter_n of_o separation_n be_v all_o in_o all_o and_o why_o then_o will_v you_o entangle_v man_n with_o i_o know_v not_o what_o other_o unnecessary_a and_o untrue_a remembrance_n but_o necessity_n have_v not_o law_n you_o can_v give_v any_o reason_n why_o you_o leave_v we_o and_o yet_o why_o protestant_n must_v not_o leave_v one_o another_o since_o it_o be_v clear_a that_o they_o in_o disagree_v point_n at_o least_o not_o fundamental_a and_o therefore_o you_o fly_v to_o other_o chift_n beside_o the_o cause_n which_o yet_o you_o say_v be_v all_o in_o all_o though_o pag_n 267._o n._n 40._o you_o express_o say_v that_o the_o cause_n or_o the_o corruption_n of_o our_o church_n be_v not_o the_o only_a or_o principal_a reason_n of_o your_o not_o communicate_v with_o us._n a_o pretty_a congruity_n the_o cause_n be_v all_o in_o all_o and_o yet_o be_v not_o the_o principal_a reason_n 21._o now_o to_o that_o pretend_v main_a ground_n of_o you_o it_o be_v not_o lawful_a to_o profess_v know_v error_n or_o practice_v know_v corruption_n i_o say_v that_o either_o we_o may_v 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