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epiphanius_n cassiodore_n and_o nicephorus_n and_o it_o be_v know_v every_o where_n sect._n relect._n de_fw-fr poenit_fw-la part_n 5._o sect._n only_o they_o who_o be_v pinch_v by_o it_o endeavour_v to_o confound_v it_o as_o waldensis_n and_o canus_n some_o by_o deny_v it_o gartium_n ad_fw-la sextum_fw-la p._n 31._o edit_n salmanticae_fw-la 1563._o per_fw-la matthiam_n gartium_n as_o latinus_n latinius_n other_o by_o dispute_v concern_v every_o thing_n in_o it_o some_o say_n that_o nectarius_n abrogate_a sacramental_a confession_n other_o that_o he_o abrogate_a the_o public_a only_o so_o very_a many_o say_v and_o a_o three_o sort_n who_o yet_o speak_v with_o most_o probability_n that_o he_o only_o take_v away_o the_o office_n of_o the_o public_a penitentiary_n which_o be_v institute_v in_o the_o time_n of_o decius_n and_o leave_v thing_n as_o that_o decree_n find_v they_o that_o be_v that_o those_o who_o have_v sin_v those_o sin_n which_o be_v note_v in_o the_o penitential_a canon_n shall_v confess_v they_o to_o the_o bishop_n or_o in_o the_o face_n of_o the_o church_n and_o submit_v themselves_o to_o the_o canonical_a penance_n this_o pass_v into_o the_o office_n of_o the_o public_a penitentiary_n and_o that_o into_o nothing_o in_o the_o greek_a church_n but_o there_o be_v nothing_o of_o this_o that_o i_o insist_v upon_o but_o i_o put_v the_o stress_n of_o this_o question_n upon_o the_o product_n of_o this_o for_o eudaemon_n give_v counsel_n to_o nectarius_n and_o he_o follow_v it_o that_o he_o take_v away_o the_o penitentiary_n priest_n 19_o lib._n 5._o cap._n 19_o ut_fw-la liberam_fw-la daret_fw-la potestatem_fw-la utì_n pro_fw-la suâ_fw-la cuique_fw-la conscientiâ_fw-la 16._o eccl._n hist._n lib._n 7â—_n cap._n 16._o ad_fw-la mysteria_fw-la participanda_fw-la accederet_fw-la so_o socrates_n and_o sozomen_n to_o the_o same_o purpose_n ut_fw-la vnicuique_fw-la liberum_fw-la permitteret_fw-la prout_fw-la sibi_fw-la ipse_fw-la conscius_fw-la esset_fw-la &_o 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all_o which_o be_v a_o plain_a demonstration_n that_o they_o understand_v nothing_o of_o the_o necessity_n of_o confession_n to_o a_o priest_n of_o all_o their_o sin_n before_o they_o come_v to_o the_o holy_a sacrament_n and_o in_o pursuance_n of_o this_o be_v those_o many_o exhortation_n and_o discourse_n of_o s._n chrysostom_n who_o succeed_v nectarius_n by_o his_o public_a doctrine_n can_v best_o inform_v we_o how_o they_o understand_v the_o consequence_n of_o that_o decree_n and_o of_o this_o whole_a question_n the_o sum_n of_o whole_a doctrine_n be_v this_o it_o be_v not_o necessary_a to_o have_v your_o sin_n reveal_v or_o bring_v in_o public_a not_o only_o in_o the_o congregation_n but_o not_o to_o any_o one_o but_o to_o god_n alone_o 1._o homil._n 56._o sieve_n 8._o de_fw-la poenit_fw-la tom_fw-mi 1._o make_v a_o scrutiny_n and_o pass_v a_o judgement_n on_o your_o sin_n inward_o in_o your_o conscience_n none_o be_v present_a but_o god_n alone_o that_o see_v all_o thing_n and_o again_o declare_v unto_o god_n alone_o thy_o sin_n 59_o homil._n 9_o de_fw-fr poenit._fw-la
church_n 1_o vide_fw-la quae_fw-la supra_fw-la annotavi_fw-la eâ—_n decreto_fw-la gratiani_n sect._n 1_o which_o be_v discordant_a enough_o and_o many_o time_n of_o themselves_o too_o unblamable_a be_v yet_o by_o they_o account_v so_o sacred_a that_o it_o be_v teach_v to_o be_v a_o sin_n against_o the_o holy_a ghost_n willing_o to_o break_v they_o in_o the_o world_n there_o can_v be_v a_o great_a verification_n of_o this_o charge_n upon_o they_o it_o be_v confess_v on_o all_o hand_n that_o not_o every_o man_n who_o voluntary_o violate_v a_o divine_a commandment_n do_v blaspheme_v the_o holy_a ghost_n the_o end_n of_o the_o first_o book_n the_o second_o book_n section_n i._n of_o indulgence_n one_o of_o the_o great_a instance_n to_o prove_v the_o roman_a religion_n to_o be_v new_a not_o primitive_a not_o apostolic_a be_v the_o foolish_a and_o unjustifiable_a doctrine_n of_o indulgence_n this_o point_n i_o have_v already_o handle_v so_o full_o and_o so_o without_o contradiction_n from_o 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primam_fw-la hâ—stiensis_n in_o summâ_fw-la l._n 5._o tit_n de_fw-fr remiss_a biel_n in_o canon_n missae_fw-la lect_v 57_o vide_fw-la bellarm._n l._n 1._o c._n 14._o de_fw-fr indul._n sect._n quod_fw-la ad_fw-la primam_fw-la and_o as_o for_o their_o catholic_a posterity_n some_o of_o they_o also_o do_v not_o believe_v that_o indulgence_n do_v profit_v any_o that_o be_v dead_a among_o these_o hostiensis_n and_o biel_n be_v the_o most_o note_a but_o biel_n be_v soon_o make_v to_o alter_v his_o opinion_n hostiensis_n do_v not_o that_o i_o find_v the_o other_o answer_n be_v by_o e._n w._n that_o roffensis_n say_v it_o not_o so_o absolute_o but_o with_o this_o interrogation_n quis_fw-la jam_fw-la de_fw-la indulgentiis_fw-la mirari_fw-la potest_fw-la who_o now_o can_v wonder_v concern_v indulgence_n wonder_n at_o what_o for_o e._n w._n be_v loath_a to_o tell_v it_o but_o truth_n must_v out_o who_o now_o can_v wonder_v that_o in_o the_o begin_n of_o the_o church_n there_o be_v no_o use_n of_o 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donavi_fw-la vobis_fw-la propter_fw-la vos_fw-la in_o persona_fw-la christi_fw-la now_o to_o this_o there_o need_v no_o answer_n but_o this_o that_o it_o be_v nothing_o to_o the_o purpose_n to_o who_o the_o corinthian_n forgive_v any_o thing_n to_o the_o same_o person_n s._n paul_n for_o their_o sake_n do_v forgive_v also_o but_o what_o then_o therefore_o the_o pope_n and_o his_o clergy_n have_v power_n to_o take_v off_o the_o temporal_a punishment_n which_o god_n reserve_v upon_o sinner_n after_o he_o have_v forgive_v they_o the_o temporal_a and_o that_o the_o church_n have_v power_n to_o forgive_v sin_n before_o hand_n and_o to_o set_v a_o price_n upon_o the_o base_a crime_n and_o not_o to_o forgive_v but_o to_o sell_v indulgence_n and_o lie_v up_o the_o supernumerary_a treasure_n of_o the_o saint_n good_a work_n and_o issue_v they_o out_o by_o retail_n in_o the_o market_n of_o purgatory_n because_o s._n paul_n cause_v the_o corinthian_n to_o be_v absolve_v and_o restore_v to_o the_o 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they_o have_v a_o thousand_o time_n more_o righteousness_n than_o they_o have_v now_o first_o here_o be_v mention_v make_v of_o all_o in_o their_o prayer_n and_o oblation_n and_o yet_o no_o mention_n make_v that_o the_o church_n pray_v for_o one_o sort_n and_o only_o give_v thanks_o for_o the_o other_o 25._o letter_n pag._n 10._o truth_n will_v out_o pag._n 25._o as_o these_o gentleman_n the_o objector_n false_o pretend_v but_o here_o be_v a_o double_a separation_n make_v of_o the_o righteous_a depart_v one_o be_v from_o the_o worse_a sort_n of_o sinner_n the_o other_o from_o the_o most_o righteous_a saviour_n true_a it_o be_v they_o believe_v they_o have_v more_o need_n to_o pray_v for_o some_o than_o for_o other_o but_o if_o they_o do_v not_o pray_v for_o all_o when_o they_o make_v mention_v of_o all_o how_o do_v they_o honour_n christ_n by_o separate_v their_o condition_n from_o he_o be_v it_o not_o lawful_a to_o give_v thanks_o for_o the_o life_n and_o death_n for_o the_o 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