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affinity_n that_o be_v between_o man_n corruption_n and_o the_o worship_v of_o image_n do_v procure_v it_o pag._n 128._o therefore_o the_o last_o be_v true_a also_o 2_o that_o thing_n which_o be_v use_v in_o order_n unto_o supernatural_a action_n and_o be_v not_o warrantd_v in_o the_o divine_a revelation_n for_o that_o end_n be_v unlawful_a but_o image_n in_o church_n be_v so_o use_v and_o be_v not_o warrant_v etc._n etc._n pag._n 88_o therefore_o image_n in_o church_n be_v unlawful_a let_v not_o m._n mountagu_n say_v these_o be_v rhetorical_a enforcement_n and_o no_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n i_o will_v save_v he_o that_o labour_n i_o do_v allege_v those_o argument_n for_o the_o truth_n that_o be_v in_o they_o not_o for_o the_o authority_n that_o do_v commend_v they_o let_v he_o show_v wherein_o they_o be_v untrue_a or_o confess_v they_o be_v true_a and_o it_o suffice_v but_o he_o be_v not_o able_a to_o show_v this_o and_o therefore_o we_o may_v safe_o conclude_v 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