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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A87227	Confidence questioned: or, A brief examination of some doctrines delivered by M. Thomas Willes of Bottolphs Billings-Gate, in a sermon preached by him at Margrets New-Fish-Street, the 7th of Decemb. 1657. Also, some questions touching his pretended call and authority to preach the Gospel. By Jeremiah Ives.	Ives, Jeremiah, fl. 1653-1674.	1657 (1657)	Wing I1095; Thomason E932_2; ESTC R207665	8,815	18

appears 10. It is said Mal. 3.16 that THEY that feared the Lord SPAKE OFTEN one to another c. And Heb. 10 25. It is required that we should not forsake the assembling of our selves together but exhort one another dayly c. whether by the light of these Texts it doth not appear 1. That Gods people ought to meet often together 2. That they may and ought to exhort one another being thus assembled 3. Whether by one another we are not to understand any one that hath a word or gift of Exhortation as well such as are no Officers as those that are 11. Is it not written Rom. 2.1 2. Therefore thou art inexcuseable Oman whosoever thou art that judgest for wherein thou judgest another thou condemnest thy self for thou that judgest doest the same things Vers 3. And thinkest thou this O man that judgest them that do such things and dost the same that thou shalt escape the judgement of God Vers 22. Thou that abhorrest idols dost thou commit sacriledge Whether by the light of these Scriptures your darkness is not discoverd who told the people how sinful and dangerous it was to hear such as Mr. Brooks when your self hath heard him once and again And whether all the excuses that you have for such a practice will not be arguments to justifie others as well as you And since you cried the hearing of such Men down as a general evil without any exception pray tell me let your pretence in hearing be what it will how can you do evil that good may come And whether by the same pretence that you can make to hear Mr. Brooks if to hear him be sinful which is not yet proved any man may not hear in an Idols Temple or eat meat in an Idols Temple and so cause his weak brother to be emboldened in his way and make him to perish for whom Christ died contrary to that in 1 Cor. 8.10 11. 12. It is said Heb. 5.12 That when for the time ye OUGHT to be teachers c. I query from hence Whether here is not a Duty required and whether that Duty be not Teaching Again whether the persons that the Text saith OUGHT to teach were not members out of Office if so then I query whether that this Teaching might not as lawfully have been performed in publick Assemblies as in private Families since neither this nor any other text makes the one any more unlawful then the other provided they have abilities to the one as well as to the other 13. It is said 1 Cor. 14.1 Follow after charity and desire spiritual gifts but rather that ye may PROPHESIE c. compare this Verse with the 24. but if ALL prophesie and there come in one that believeth not c. and V. 31 Ye may ALL prophesie one by one that all may learn and all may be comforted From these texts I query whether that this was a prophesying by Gift or Office if it shall be said It was by Offices then I query whether it was by ordinary or extraordinary Office If it shall be said That it was by extraordinary Office then it follows That the Apostle exhorted the whole Church to covet after extraordinary Offices when he exhorted them to follow after charity and desire spiritual gifts but rather that THEY might PROPHESIE v. 1. 14. If it shall be said That Prophesying here was an ordinary Office than it follows That the whole Church are exhorted to covet to be ordinary Officers which would be to make the whole Body of Christ monstrous If it shall be said That they were not exhorted to Prophesie as extraordinary or as ordinary Offices then I query whether they were not to do it as gifted Brethren since we never heard of any other way 15. Whereas you say That none ought to preach but those that are ordained except as before excepted I query Among those several Ordinations that are in Christendom which of those whether some one of them or all of them be that which Christ approves of If you say All of them and that the errors of the Administrators in some Circumstances doth not make the Ordination a Nullity then I query 16. Whether one may not by this Opinion be lawfully ordained at Rome 17. If you shall say The Protestant-Ordination is lawful and that only then I query which of those whether the Episcopal Presbyterian or Independent-Ordination be that which is approved by Christ to impower the Ministers to Preach since all these are Protestants and greatly differ in this thing If you say All of these are lawful then were not the Ministers of the Episcopal way greatly out in crying up the Ordination by Bishops to be the onely Authoritative Ordination in opposition to that of the Presbytery And that they did so will appear if you consult Dr. Jer. Tayler Chaplain to the late King in his Book called Episcopacy asserted page 120 121 122. It is cleer saith he that Bishops were to do some acts which the Presbyters COULD NOT do one of which he calls Ordination by imposition of Hands which he saith was not to be done by Presbyters Again the said Doctor saith That the Apostles did impse Hands for confirmation which saith he was to continue in the Church and could not be done by the seventy or any MEER Presbyter And for this he cites the constant practice of the Fathers and the Opinions of divers Churches Therefore pray tell me if this be that Ordination which a man must have without which his Preaching is sinful 19. Again if you say All or any the forementioned Ordinations be lawful then how vain a thing was it for the Presbyterians to throw down the Government of Episcopacy why did they not rather reform it then cashier it seeing it was a power by which Ministers might have been authorized to preach according to God's Ordinance 20 If the Bishops as Bishops had this lawful Power when did any Power from Christ devest them 21. If Episcopal Authority were of God as the Bishops pretend why may not a man lawfully go still to them for Ordination in case this Authority was never taken from them in an Ecclesiastical way 22. If you say That both Presbyterian and Episcopal Ordination is lawful then I query whether that Christ ever erected two ways of Ordination of Ministers one contrary to the other and yet both lawful for such is the state of Episcopacie and Presbytery in England one saith that the Presbytery hath no power to ordain the other saith they have 23. If it is that Ordination that is among the Independents then we have that we run for then if one have their suffrage and Ordination and this be lawful which I think you will not say then wherein is Mr. Brooks in this to be condemned 24. Again If you say That Ordination by the Presbytery is the onely Ordination then where was an Ordination to be had in England thirty yeers ago 25. Is it not very strange that