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chamb._n then_o mention_v mat._n 7.16_o 17_o 18._o but_o there_o be_v a_o disorderly_a discourse_n he_o argue_v thus_o ma._n if_o all_o power_n derive_v from_o the_o pope_n acknowledge_v his_o power_n as_o a_o power_n over_o all_o church_n than_o they_o be_v all_o antichristian_a mi._n but_o all_o power_n derive_v from_o the_o pope_n acknowledge_v the_o pope_n power_n as_o a_o power_n over_o all_o church_n con._n therefore_o they_o be_v all_o antichristian_a mr._n cranf_n then_o fall_v into_o discourse_n again_o and_o say_v that_o the_o roman_a church_n at_o the_o time_n when_o luther_n separate_v be_v a_o true_a church_n dr._n chamb._n offer_v to_o prove_v it_o be_v then_o no_o true_a church_n ma._n where_o there_o be_v no_o true_a sacrament_n there_o be_v no_o true_a church_n min._n but_o in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n when_o luther_n separate_v there_o be_v no_o true_a sacrament_n con._n therefore_o then_o there_o be_v no_o true_a church_n the_o minor_a be_v deny_v that_o in_o 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administer_v on_o the_o true_a subject_n dr._n chamb._n pâ—â—â—â—â—ed_v his_o argument_n thus_o ma._n they_o that_o a_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d red_a 〈◊〉_d noâ—_n on_o believer_n and_o repenter_n administer_v 〈…〉_o the_o true_a subject_n mi._n but_o the_o châ—â—â—h_n of_o â—â—me_n when_o luther_n separate_v do_v not_o administer_v it_o on_o believer_n and_o repenter_n con._n therefore_o they_o do_v not_o administer_v it_o on_o the_o true_a subject_n minor_n be_v to_o be_v prove_v ma._n they_o that_o administer_v it_o on_o child_n administer_v it_o not_o on_o believer_n and_o repenter_n mi._n but_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n when_o luther_n separate_v administer_v it_o to_o child_n con._n therefore_o they_o do_v not_o administer_v it_o on_o believer_n and_o repenter_n mr._n cranf_n deny_v the_o major_a dr._n chamb._n ask_v whether_o child_n can_v believe_v and_o repent_v mr._n cranf_n answer_v they_o have_v faith_n and_o repentance_n in_o their_o parent_n but_o he_o deny_v the_o major_n because_o 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first_o question_n and_o so_o he_o proceed_v to_o this_o argument_n follow_v out_o of_o 2_o cor._n 11.20_o ma._n they_o that_o bring_v the_o flock_n into_o bondage_n or_o devour_v they_o or_o take_v of_o they_o or_o exalt_v themselves_o or_o smite_v they_o on_o the_o face_n be_v not_o the_o minister_n of_o jesus_n christ_n mi._n but_o minister_n of_o london_n presbyterian-minister_n do_v some_o or_o all_o of_o these_o conclus_fw-la therefore_o minister_n of_o london_n presbyterian-minister_n be_v not_o the_o minister_n of_o jesus_n christ_n mr._n cranf_n deny_v both_o but_o desire_v dr._n chamb._n rather_o to_o prove_v the_o major_a wherein_o mr._n cranf_n be_v to_o hold_v that_o they_o who_o bring_v the_o flock_n into_o bondage_n or_o devour_v they_o or_o take_v of_o they_o or_o exalt_v themselves_o or_o smite_v they_o on_o the_o face_n be_v the_o minister_n of_o jesus_n christ_n this_o be_v think_v somewhat_o strange_a be_v the_o major_n be_v the_o very_a word_n of_o the_o text._n 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from_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d lord_n as_o dedicate_v to_o the_o lord_n and_o the_o place_n where_o the_o lord_n of_o the_o senate_n do_v meet_v in_o athens_n be_v call_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d a_o court_n comitia_fw-la but_o church_n among_o we_o be_v suppose_v the_o translation_n of_o the_o original_a word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d so_o that_o church_n shall_v signify_v to_o we_o what_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d do_v signify_v to_o the_o grecian_n now_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d from_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d &_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d to_o call_v forth_o do_v signify_v a_o company_n of_o people_n call_v together_o from_o among_o other_o people_n and_o so_o any_o assembly_n whatsoever_o that_o be_v call_v together_o as_o the_o interpreter_n themselves_o have_v plain_o declare_v by_o interpret_n the_o word_n in_o act._n 19.25_o a_o assembly_n though_o it_o be_v not_o to_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n and_o whether_o it_o be_v
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administration_n of_o baptism_n in_o the_o true_a manner_n and_o on_o the_o true_a subject_n con._n therefore_o baptise_a church_n have_v the_o true_a administration_n of_o baptism_n mr._n cranf_n deny_v the_o mi._n dr._n chamb._n ask_v whether_o he_o shall_v prove_v first_o the_o manner_n or_o the_o subject_n mr._n cranf_n say_v any_o which_o he_o will_v then_o say_v dr._n chamb._n first_o i_o will_v prove_v the_o manner_n and_o then_o the_o subject_a ma._n they_o that_o administer_v baptism_n in_o the_o same_o manner_n as_o it_o be_v administer_v unto_o christ_n matth._n 13.16_o and_o as_o philip_n administer_v it_o to_o the_o eunuch_n act._n 8.38_o have_v the_o true_a manner_n of_o administration_n of_o baptism_n mr._n cranf_n cry_v out_o and_o some_o with_o he_o prove_v the_o subject_n for_o that_o be_v desire_v by_o some_o here_o then_o dr._n chamb._n proceed_v ma._n they_o that_o administer_v baptism_n on_o believer_n and_o repenter_n administer_v baptism_n on_o the_o true_a 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do_v not_o baptise_v believer_n and_o repenter_n say_v dr._n chamb._n now_o you_o go_v back_o to_o the_o former_a syllogism_n mr._n cranf_n say_v they_o do_v not_o baptise_v believer_n and_o repenter_n but_o renegado_n dr._n chamb._n say_v i_o give_v no_o ill_a language_n but_o use_v the_o word_n of_o the_o scripture_n and_o i_o hope_v you_o will_v not_o be_v angry_a with_o the_o language_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n when_o i_o must_v use_v it_o in_o argument_n renegado_n be_v language_n of_o scripture_n say_v mr._n cranf_n where_o say_v dr._n chamberlain_n mr._n cranf_n say_a because_o it_o signify_v apostate_n say_fw-la dr._n cha._n then_o why_o do_v you_o not_o rather_o use_v that_o word_n the_o debate_n here_o make_v dr._n chamb._n forget_v to_o take_v notice_n how_o in_o deny_v the_o baptism_n of_o believer_n and_o repenter_n mr._n cranf_n deny_v the_o conclusion_n but_o he_o proceed_v to_o prove_v that_o they_o do_v baptise_v believer_n and_o repenter_n ma._n they_o that_o 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the_o dead_a