to_o reiterate_v either_o of_o they_o 2._o because_o say_v he_o a_o person_n who_o after_o his_o ordination_n in_o the_o church_n catholic_n ibid._n non_fw-la sunt_fw-la rursus_fw-la ordinandi_fw-la sed_fw-la sicut_fw-la baptismus_fw-la in_o eye_n ita_fw-la ordinatio_fw-la mansit_fw-la integra_fw-la qua_fw-la in_o praecisione_n erat_fw-la vitium_fw-la non_fw-la in_o sacramentis_fw-la quae_fw-la ubicunque_fw-la sunt_fw-la ipsa_fw-la vera_fw-la sunt_fw-la ibid._n become_v a_o heretic_n must_v not_o at_o his_o return_n to_o the_o church_n be_v re-ordained_n and_o therefore_o neither_o must_v he_o be_v re-ordained_n who_o have_v receive_v ordination_n out_o of_o the_o church_n catholic_n and_o hence_o it_o be_v say_v he_o that_o if_o any_o bishop_n of_o the_o donatist_n be_v win_v over_o to_o the_o church_n and_o it_o do_v seem_v convenient_a that_o they_o shall_v bear_v the_o same_o office_n which_o former_o they_o do_v they_o be_v not_o by_o the_o church_n ordain_v but_o as_o their_o baptism_n so_o their_o ordination_n remain_v entire_a by_o this_o determination_n the_o doctor_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n be_v general_o sway_v so_o that_o there_o be_v say_v bellarmine_n emtra_fw-mi bell._n 1.4_o de_fw-fr rom._n pâ—ntif_n c._n 10._o §_o at_o emtra_fw-mi scarce_o any_o catholic_n who_o know_v not_o that_o they_o who_o be_v baptise_a by_o heretic_n be_v baptise_a true_o and_o they_o that_o be_v ordain_v by_o heretic_n be_v ordain_v true_o when_o the_o heretic_n that_o ordain_v be_v true_o a_o bishop_n at_o least_o as_o to_o his_o character_n §_o viii_o 2._o that_o the_o ordination_n make_v by_o those_o heretic_n who_o real_o be_v or_o by_o the_o church_n have_v be_v condemn_v as_o idolater_n or_o person_n guilty_a of_o more_o heinous_a crime_n when_o these_o ordainer_n be_v true_a bishop_n be_v esteem_v valid_a by_o the_o church_n the_o same_o learned_a person_n have_v demonstrate_v 798._o desence_n of_o his_o discourse_n part_n 2._o chap._n 4._o p._n 795_o 798._o 1._o from_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o second_o nicene_n council_n in_o the_o case_n of_o meletius_n who_o be_v ordain_v by_o arian_n bishop_n and_o who_o ordination_n be_v account_v valid_a by_o a_o alexandrian_a synod_n in_o their_o synodal_n epistle_n 9_o eccles_n hier._n l._n 2._o cap._n 10._o §_o 9_o which_o say_v petavius_n contain_v the_o faith_n receive_v in_o the_o whole_a church_n catholic_n and_o in_o the_o synodal_n epistle_n of_o the_o first_o nicene_n synod_n which_o say_v petavius_n 4._o idem_fw-la app._n to._n 3._o eccl._n hier._n l._n 2._o c._n 3_o §_o 4._o determine_v that_o they_o who_o be_v constitute_v and_o confirm_v by_o mystical_a imposition_n of_o hand_n shall_v be_v receive_v into_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o church_n and_o enjoy_v their_o function_n with_o these_o provision_n that_o they_o shall_v be_v in_o every_o church_n and_o parish_n after_o those_o bishop_n and_o presbyter_n which_o be_v ordain_v by_o alexander_n bishop_n of_o alexandria_n that_o they_o shall_v have_v no_o power_n of_o elect_v who_o they_o please_v nor_o of_o propound_v of_o the_o name_n of_o those_o who_o they_o think_v fit_a to_o be_v choose_v into_o the_o body_n of_o the_o clergy_n 2._o this_o he_o do_v prove_v from_o a_o full_a testimony_n of_o the_o general_a sense_n of_o the_o church_n of_o that_o age_n 28._o hist_o eccles_n l._n 1._o c._n 28._o record_v by_o ruffinus_n concern_v the_o admission_n of_o those_o who_o have_v receive_v order_n from_o the_o arian_n bishop_n to_o the_o exercise_n of_o their_o priestly_a office_n with_o which_o decree_n of_o the_o alexandrian_a council_n about_o the_o receive_v the_o arian_n bishiops_n and_o priest_n upon_o disow_v their_o heresy_n init_fw-la adu._n lucifer_n init_fw-la though_o lucifer_n do_v quarrel_v yet_o jerom_n say_v that_o it_o be_v universal_o receive_v by_o the_o church_n this_o will_v be_v far_a evident_a from_o the_o 7._o canon_n of_o the_o second_o general_n council_n of_o constantinople_n and_o from_o the_o 95._o canon_n of_o the_o synod_n hold_v at_o trullo_n in_o both_o which_o canon_n it_o be_v determine_v that_o the_o arian_n baptism_n shall_v be_v esteem_v valid_a d.e._n contra_n epist_n parmen_fw-la lib._n 2._o c._n 13._o sess_n 23._o c._n 4._o synod_n ephes_n epist_n ad_fw-la theod._n &_o vale_n t_o imperat_fw-la act._n synod_n cap._n 7._o audemus_fw-la anathematizare_fw-la nestorii_n idololatriam_fw-la in_o homine_fw-la 2_o nic._n council_n act._n 7._o epist_n ad_fw-la constantinum_n &_o iren._n act._n 1._o p._n 68_o e._n haer._n 80._o n._n 3._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 10_o act._n 1._o p._n 72._o e._n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d act._n 1._o p._n 77._o e._n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d act._n 4._o p._n 236._o a_o act_n 6._o p._n 357._o b._n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d act._n 1._o p._n 77._o c._n act._n 3._o p._n 160._o d.e._n and_o not_o to_o be_v reiterated_a and_o therefore_o as_o s._n austin_n do_v infer_v they_o must_v esteem_v their_o ordination_n also_o valid_a and_o not_o to_o be_v reiterated_a because_o in_o the_o sacrament_n of_o order_n as_o well_o as_o baptism_n say_v the_o tret_n council_n a_o indelible_a character_n be_v impress_v moreover_n that_o the_o nestorian_n be_v idolater_n have_v be_v declare_v by_o the_o church_n and_o yet_o their_o ordination_n by_o the_o same_o church_n have_v be_v account_v valid_a say_v the_o second_o nicene_n council_n that_o the_o massaliani_n or_o euchytae_fw-la be_v worshipper_n of_o the_o devil_n epiphanius_n do_v inform_v we_o and_o yet_o their_o ordination_n be_v allow_v by_o the_o three_o general_n council_n of_o ephesus_n and_o it_o be_v there_o decree_v say_v the_o second_o nicene_n council_n that_o as_o many_o of_o their_o clergy_n as_o will_v renounce_v their_o heresy_n and_o return_n to_o the_o church_n shall_v remain_v in_o the_o number_n of_o the_o clergy_n concern_v the_o heresy_n of_o the_o iconoclast_n it_o be_v determine_v by_o the_o member_n of_o the_o second_o nicene_n council_n that_o it_o be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o worst_a of_o evil_n and_o of_o uheresy_n what_o shall_v we_o esteem_v they_o say_v tarusius_n who_o sitbvert_v sacred_a image_n they_o must_v be_v count_v say_v the_o synod_n as_o atheist_n jew_n and_o enemy_n of_o the_o truth_n they_o who_o reject_v they_o be_v like_a to_o jew_n and_o samaritan_n faith_n the_o same_o synod_n and_o again_o if_o the_o make_n of_o image_n be_v liken_v to_o idol_n the_o mystery_n of_o our_o redemption_n be_v make_v void_a say_v the_o same_o council_n and_o yet_o this_o very_a council_n do_v determine_v that_o even_o these_o very_a person_n who_o confess_v that_o they_o be_v bear_v and_o breed_v up_o in_o this_o worst_a of_o heresy_n shall_v be_v admit_v into_o the_o order_n of_o priesthood_n which_o they_o have_v former_o receive_v and_o do_v according_o admit_v they_o moreover_o from_o the_o trent_n council_n i_o thus_o argue_v that_o power_n which_o be_v not_o temporary_a and_o therefore_o never_o can_v be_v take_v away_o continues_z with_o idolatrous_a priest_n and_o bishop_n as_o well_o as_o with_o other_o heretic_n but_o according_a to_o the_o definition_n of_o the_o trent_n council_n that_o power_n which_o be_v give_v in_o the_o sacrament_n of_o order_n impress_v on_o the_o receiver_n a_o indelible_a character_n never_o can_v be_v take_v away_o for_o so_o they_o do_v express_o testify_v in_o these_o word_n because_o in_o the_o sacrament_n of_o order_n as_o well_o as_o confirmation_n and_o baptism_n a_o character_n be_v impress_v 4._o in_o sacramento_n ordinis_fw-la character_n imprimitur_fw-la nec_fw-la delert_fw-la auferri_fw-la po_fw-la sess_n 23._o 4._o which_o neitehr_fw-ge can_v be_v blot_v out_o nor_o take_v away_o n.b._n this_o holy_a syne_v just_o condemn_v their_o opinion_n who_o hold_v that_o priest_n of_o the_o new_a testament_n have_v only_o a_o temporary_a power_n last_o agreeable_a to_o this_o determination_n of_o the_o trent_n council_n be_v the_o determination_n of_o the_o school_n for_o that_o every_o bishop_n be_v a_o minister_n of_o scred_a order_n be_v so_o true_a say_v estius_n 3._o in_o sent._n l._n 4._o do_v 25._o §_o 3._o that_o no_o crime_n how_o enormous_a soever_o as_o heresy_n schism_n apostasy_n nor_o any_o censure_n how_o weighty_a soever_o as_o v.g._n that_o of_o excommunication_n can_v hinder_v the_o validity_n of_o any_o ordination_n make_v by_o such_o a_o person_n even_o out_o of_o his_o own_o jurisdiction_n provide_v he_o observe_v the_o due_a rite_n of_o ordination_n in_o thing_n essential_a to_o that_o sacrament_n this_o doctrine_n say_v he_o be_v sufficient_o confirm_v by_o the_o continual_a practice_n of_o the_o church_n which_o never_o reordain_v any_o who_o return_v from_o any_o heresy_n or_o schisin_n whatsoever_o in_o which_o they_o be_v ordain_v man_n say_v petavius_n â—_o de_fw-fr eccl._n hier._n l._n 2._o cap._n 9_o §_o â—_o may_v be_v deprive_v of_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o church_n of_o
of_o baptism_n be_v so_o far_o join_v with_o the_o catholic_n church_n and_o the_o catholic_n church_n in_o and_o by_o they_o bring_v forth_o child_n to_o god_n so_o the_o present_a roman_a church_n be_v still_o in_o some_o sort_n a_o part_n of_o the_o visible_a church_n of_o god_n but_o no_o otherwise_o than_o other_o society_n of_o heretic_n be_v in_o that_o it_o retain_v the_o profession_n of_o some_o part_n of_o heavenly_a truth_n and_o minister_v the_o true_a sacrament_n of_o baptism_n to_o the_o salvation_n of_o the_o soul_n of_o many_o thousand_o infant_n we_o must_v acknowledge_v even_o heretic_n themselves_o to_o be_v though_o a_o maim_a part_n yet_o a_o part_n of_o the_o church_n visible_a say_v the_o judicious_a hooker_n 1._o eccl._n pol._n l._n 3._o §._o 1._o if_o the_o father_n do_v any_o where_o say_v he_o as_o oftentimes_o they_o do_v make_v the_o true_a church_n of_o christ_n and_o her_o company_n opposite_a they_o be_v to_o be_v construe_v as_o separate_a heretic_n not_o altogether_o from_o the_o company_n of_o believer_n but_o from_o the_o fellowship_n of_o sound_a believer_n last_o they_o also_o do_v assert_v that_o a_o idolatrous_a church_n may_v yet_o continue_v to_o be_v a_o true_a church_n visible_a lo_o say_v the_o romanist_n 65._o reconcil_n p._n 64_o 65._o we_o be_v of_o the_o true_a visible_a church_n why_o then_o forsake_v ans_fw-fr alas_o poor_a soul_n say_v bishop_n hall_n do_v they_o not_o know_v that_o hypocrite_n lewd_a person_n reprobate_n be_v no_o less_o member_n of_o the_o visible_a church_n what_o gain_v they_o by_o this_o but_o a_o deep_a damnation_n to_o what_o purpose_n do_v the_o jew_n cry_v the_o temple_n of_o the_o lord_n whilst_o they_o despit_v the_o lord_n of_o that_o temple_n they_o be_v of_o the_o viâ—â—â—le_a church_n but_o shameful_o idolatrous_a in_o practice_n our_o saviour_n say_v mr._n hooker_n supra_fw-la ubi_fw-la supra_fw-la compare_v the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n to_o a_o net_n which_o gather_v together_o good_a fish_n and_o bad_a and_o to_o a_o field_n where_o tare_n manifest_o know_v and_o see_v of_o all_o man_n do_v grow_v intermingle_v with_o good_a corn_n and_o even_o so_o shall_v continue_v to_o the_o consummation_n of_o the_o world_n when_o the_o people_n of_o god_n worship_v the_o calf_n in_o the_o wilderness_n when_o they_o adore_v the_o brazen_a serpent_n when_o they_o bow_v the_o knee_n to_o baal_n and_o serve_v the_o god_n of_o the_o nation_n when_o they_o burn_v incense_n and_o offer_v sacrifice_n to_o idol_n true_a it_o be_v the_o wrath_n of_o god_n be_v most_o fierce_o inflame_v against_o they_o and_o they_o be_v forsake_v of_o god_n in_o respect_n of_o that_o singular_a mercy_n wherewith_o he_o kind_o embrace_v his_o faithful_a child_n howbeit_o retain_v the_o law_n of_o god_n and_o the_o holy_a seal_n of_o his_o covenant_n the_o sheep_n of_o his_o visible_a flock_n they_o continue_v even_o in_o the_o depth_n of_o their_o disobedience_n and_o rebellion_n wherefore_o among_o they_o odd_a always_o have_v a_o church_n not_o only_o because_o be_v have_v thousand_o who_o never_o bow_v the_o knee_n to_o baal_v but_o even_o they_o who_o knee_n be_v bow_v to_o baal_n be_v also_o of_o the_o visible_a church_n of_o god_n of_o the_o same_o judgement_n be_v bishop_n davenant_n dr._n primrose_n zanchy_a and_o episcopius_n in_o the_o forecited_n place_n §_o vii_o now_o to_o admit_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n to_o be_v in_o the_o large_a sense_n a_o true_a visible_a church_n of_o christ_n serve_v no_o design_n of_o popery_n and_o be_v sufficient_a to_o justify_v the_o ordination_n and_o succession_n of_o the_o clergy_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n for_o i._o admit_v the_o first_o reformer_n of_o our_o church_n receive_v their_o ordination_n from_o those_o bishop_n which_o be_v themselves_o guilty_a of_o heresy_n or_o schism_n or_o both_o and_o therefore_o no_o true_a live_a member_n of_o christ_n body_n nor_o any_o other_o way_n to_o be_v repute_v member_n of_o the_o church_n visible_a than_o schismatic_n and_o heretic_n may_v be_v this_o be_v abundant_o sufficient_a to_o justify_v our_o ordination_n and_o succession_n and_o our_o entrance_n into_o the_o visible_a church_n by_o baptism_n confer_v by_o they_o for_o of_o the_o baptism_n of_o heretic_n without_o exception_n and_o therefore_o of_o those_o heretic_n who_o by_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o universal_a church_n have_v be_v esteem_v idolater_n 4._o sess_n 7._o cap._n de_fw-fr bapt._n can._n 4._o the_o church_n of_o rome_n in_o her_o trent_n council_n have_v determine_v that_o it_o be_v valid_a and_o have_v pronounce_v a_o anathema_n on_o those_o who_o say_v the_o contrary_n jew_n heretic_n 24._o part_n 2._o cap._n ii_o sect._n 24._o and_o infidel_n may_v confer_v true_a baptism_n say_v the_o roman_a catechism_n as_o many_o ancient_a father_n and_o decree_n of_o council_n teach_v particular_o the_o general_n council_n of_o constantinople_n and_o the_o six_o general_n council_n hold_v in_o trullo_n the_o council_n hold_v at_o florence_n and_o the_o lateran_n council_n moreover_o that_o the_o ordination_n of_o heretic_n be_v valid_a 1._o preface_n to_o his_o answer_n to_o several_a treat_n sess_n 7._o can._n 9.23_o can._n 4._o cap._n 68_o act._n 1._o the_o learned_a dr._n stillingfleet_n have_v large_o prove_v from_o the_o definition_n of_o the_o trent_n council_n from_o the_o code_n of_o canon_n of_o the_o african_a church_n from_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o second_o nicene_n council_n from_o the_o general_n reception_n of_o this_o doctrine_n in_o the_o roman_a church_n for_o as_o morinus_n witness_v 12._o de_fw-fr sacris_fw-la ord._n part_n 3_o exercit_fw-la 5._o c._n 1._o n._n 12._o the_o opinion_n of_o the_o validity_n of_o order_n confer_v by_o heretic_n have_v only_o obtain_v in_o the_o roman_a church_n during_o the_o last_o four_o century_n to_o which_o i_o add_v the_o definition_n of_o the_o first_o nicene_n council_n in_o the_o case_n of_o the_o cathari_n 68_o can._n 8._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d con._n nicen._n 2._o act._n 1._o p._n 68_o or_o the_o novatian_a heretic_n that_o they_o return_v to_o the_o catholic_n and_o apostolic_a church_n shall_v remain_v in_o that_o order_n of_o clergy_n in_o which_o they_o be_v only_o receive_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d or_o the_o imposition_n of_o hand_n for_o benediction_n and_o reconciliation_n and_o that_o if_o any_o of_o they_o be_v find_v either_o in_o village_n or_o city_n to_o be_v the_o only_a bishop_n that_o be_v there_o ordain_v they_o shall_v continue_v in_o that_o same_o rank_n whereas_o concern_v the_o pauliani_n who_o as_o st._n austin_n think_v 44._o de_fw-fr haeres_fw-la cap._n 44._o do_v not_o observe_v the_o essential_o of_o true_a baptism_n the_o council_n do_v determine_v that_o if_o any_o of_o they_o shall_v be_v find_v among_o the_o clergy_n they_o shall_v be_v rebaptise_v and_o then_o receive_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d or_o ordination_n by_o some_o 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authoritate_fw-la divinarum_fw-la scripturarum_fw-la mirabiliter_fw-la dictatam_fw-la illamque_fw-la cum_fw-la eodem_fw-la synodali_n libro_fw-la in_o
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this_o assertion_n that_o in_o the_o second_o nicene_n synod_n be_v many_o thing_n contain_v which_o be_v inconvenient_a and_o contrary_a to_o the_o true_a faith_n and_o that_o in_o that_o council_n be_v establish_v a_o decree_n that_o image_n shall_v be_v worship_v which_o thing_n the_o church_n of_o god_n whole_o abhor_v where_o note_n that_o in_o these_o writer_n we_o find_v not_o the_o least_o hint_n of_o a_o distinction_n betwixt_o due_a and_o undue_a worship_n of_o a_o holy_a image_n or_o betwixt_o worship_n which_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n allow_v and_o worship_n which_o the_o church_n abhor_v nor_o do_v they_o say_v the_o nicene_n council_n do_v assert_v eam_fw-la adorationem_fw-la imaginibus_fw-la deberi_fw-la quam_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la dei_fw-la execratur_fw-la 146._o p._n 146._o as_o t._n g._n in_o his_o translation_n of_o these_o word_n do_v very_o fraudulent_o insinuate_v but_o they_o say_v only_o that_o the_o second_o nicene_n council_n have_v declare_v imagine_v 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faith_n permit_v they_o to_o be_v reserve_v in_o the_o church_n non_fw-la ut_fw-la ipsae_fw-la adorentur_fw-la not_o that_o they_o shall_v be_v worship_v but_o that_o the_o mind_n of_o faithful_a man_n may_v be_v excite_v to_o give_v reverence_n to_o they_o who_o image_n they_o be_v it_o be_v condemn_v in_o the_o same_o century_n by_o cornelius_n agrippa_n imagine_v de_fw-fr vanit_fw-la scientiarum_fw-la cap._n de_fw-fr imagine_v who_o say_v that_o the_o corrupt_a custom_n and_o false_a religion_n of_o the_o heathen_n have_v infect_v our_o religion_n and_o have_v introduce_v into_o our_o church_n image_n and_o idol_n and_o many_o barren_a pompous_a cereony_n none_o of_o which_o be_v find_v or_o practise_v among_o the_o primitive_a professor_n of_o christianity_n it_o be_v condemn_v by_o polydore_n virgil_n 13._o de_fw-fr invent_v rerum_fw-la l._n 6._o c._n 13._o who_o do_v acknowledge_v that_o it_o be_v testify_v st._n jerom_n that_o almost_o all_o the_o ancient_a father_n do_v 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in_o act._n apost_n cap._n 7._o by_o ferus_fw-la a_o very_a learned_a person_n who_o preach_v at_o mentz_n for_o the_o express_o say_v that_o image_n be_v to_o lerate_v in_o the_o church_n that_o they_o may_v admonish_v not_o that_o they_o may_v be_v worship_v for_o otherwise_o they_o can_v admit_v of_o no_o excuse_n and_o to_o assure_v we_o that_o his_o private_a judgement_n be_v very_o suitable_a to_o the_o prevail_a judgement_n of_o those_o time_n we_o find_v the_o same_o determination_n make_v by_o a_o council_n hold_v at_o mentz_n a.d._n 14._o c._n 14._o 1549._o during_o the_o session_n of_o the_o trent_n council_n which_o speak_v thus_o let_v our_o pastor_n accurate_o teach_v the_o people_n that_o image_n be_v not_o propowd_v to_o be_v worship_v or_o adore_v but_o that_o we_o may_v by_o they_o be_v bring_v to_o the_o remembrance_n of_o those_o thing_n which_o we_o ought_v profitable_o to_o call_v to_o mind_n it_o be_v condemn_v also_o by_o the_o church_n of_o cologn_n imag._n in_o antididag_n colon._n cap._n de_fw-fr imag._n which_o say_v thus_o we_o christian_n when_o we_o bend_v our_o knee_n before_o the_o image_n of_o the_o holy_a cross_n do_v not_o adore_v the_o very_a wood_n but_o he_o who_o die_v upon_o it_o for_o our_o sin_n and_o do_v conclude_v with_o gregory_n the_o great_a that_o it_o be_v not_o lawful_a in_o any_o wise_a to_o worship_v any_o thing_n that_o be_v the_o work_n of_o our_o own_o hand_n moreover_o from_o the_o xii_o century_n to_o the_o reformation_n it_o be_v condemn_v by_o the_o waldenses_n the_o albigenses_n and_o the_o hussites_n who_o spread_v themselves_o throughout_o the_o great_a part_n of_o europe_n and_o propagate_v their_o doctrine_n through_o france_n spain_n england_n scotland_n italy_n germany_n bohemia_n saxony_n polonia_n lithuanid_n and_o other_o nation_n last_o 837.838_o dr._n still_o defence_n p._n 837.838_o this_o image-worship_n be_v condemn_v by_o the_o armenian_n from_o the_o vi_o century_n to_o this_o present_a time_n for_o they_o have_v begin_v their_o schism_n before_o this_o practice_n find_v any_o countenance_n in_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n not_o only_o do_v refuse_v to_o worship_v image_n but_o roundly_o do_v pronounce_v anathema_n on_o they_o that_o do_v so_o §_o iv_o 2._o we_o say_v the_o roman_a church_n be_v guilty_a of_o idolatry_n in_o worship_v the_o saint_n depart_v because_o they_o worship_v they_o with_o mental_a prayer_n believe_v that_o they_o understand_v the_o secret_n or_o inward_a motion_n of_o the_o heart_n of_o they_o who_o put_v up_o to_o they_o mental_a prayer_n now_o this_o we_o say_v be_v never_o any_o article_n of_o faith_n 528._o sess_n 25._o p._n 527_o 528._o even_o in_o the_o latin_a church_n till_o the_o trent_n council_n have_v determine_v that_o they_o who_o say_v it_o be_v a_o foolish_a thing_n to_o put_v up_o mental_a prayer_n to_o saint_n depart_v be_v guilty_a of_o impiety_n and_o do_v pronounce_v anathema_n on_o all_o that_o hold_v or_o think_v the_o 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dead_a even_o the_o saint_n do_v
l._n 6._o c._n 3._o 24._o contr._n don._n l._n 3._o c._n 18._o orig._n in_o matt._n hom._n 1._o not_o as_o visible_a for_o as_o the_o father_n say_v it_o concern_v those_o only_o which_o be_v build_v upon_o the_o rock_n and_o such_o be_v only_o they_o who_o hear_v the_o word_n of_o christ_n and_o do_v they_o now_o as_o in_o the_o defection_n of_o the_o church_n of_o israel_n to_o idol_n worship_n 7000_o soul_n remain_v who_o have_v not_o bow_v the_o knee_n to_o baal_n so_o may_v it_o be_v in_o the_o defection_n of_o the_o church_n visible_a into_o the_o like_a sin_n §_o two_o ob._n 4_o but_o say_v r._n h._n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n 75._o disc_n p._n 75._o we_o say_v in_o our_o creed_n i_o believe_v one_o holy_a catholic_n church_n but_o how_o be_v it_o holy_a if_o it_o may_v fall_v into_o and_o teach_v so_o gross_a and_o so_o manifold_a idolatry_n answ_n even_o as_o the_o church_n of_o israel_n and_o judah_n be_v holy_a notwithstanding_o their_o idolatry_n and_o wickedness_n and_o the_o city_n of_o jerusalem_n be_v holy_a notwithstanding_o the_o wickedness_n of_o the_o people_n that_o live_v in_o it_o the_o church_n be_v therefore_o always_o holy_a 343._o expos_fw-la on_o the_o creed_n p._n 343._o say_v the_o reverend_n and_o learned_a bishop_n pearson_n 1._o in_o reference_n to_o the_o vocation_n by_o which_o all_o the_o member_n of_o it_o be_v call_v and_o separate_v from_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o world_n to_o god_n which_o separation_n in_o the_o language_n of_o the_o scripture_n be_v a_o sanctification_n and_o so_o the_o calling_n be_v holy_a 9_o 2_o tim._n i_o 9_o for_o god_n have_v call_v as_o with_o a_o holy_a call_n the_o body_n which_o be_v separate_v by_o it_o may_v well_o be_v call_v holy_a 2._o in_o relation_n to_o the_o office_n appoin_v and_o the_o power_n exercise_v in_o the_o church_n which_o by_o their_o institution_n and_o operation_n be_v holy_a and_o so_o that_o church_n for_o which_o they_o be_v appoint_v and_o in_o which_o they_o be_v exercise_v may_v be_v call_v holy_a 3._o because_o whosoever_o be_v call_v to_o profess_v faith_n in_o christ_n be_v thereby_o engage_v to_o holiness_n of_o life_n according_a to_o the_o word_n of_o the_o apostle_n let_v every_o man_n that_o name_v the_o name_n of_o christ_n depart_v from_o iniquity_n 4._o the_o church_n be_v style_v holy_a because_o the_o end_n of_o constitute_v a_o church_n in_o god_n be_v for_o the_o purchase_n a_o holy_a people_n and_o the_o great_a design_n of_o it_o be_v for_o the_o beget_n and_o increase_v holiness_n that_o as_o god_n be_v original_o holy_a in_o himself_o so_o he_o may_v communicate_v his_o sanctity_n of_o the_o son_n of_o man_n who_o he_o intend_v to_o bring_v to_o the_o fruition_n of_o himself_o to_o which_o without_o a_o previous_a sanctification_n they_o can_v approach_v because_o without_o holiness_n no_o man_n shall_v see_v the_o lord_n but_o as_o for_o real_a inward_a holiness_n either_o it_o be_v necessary_a to_o constitute_v a_o 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