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col_fw-fr 727._o junius_n animad_fw-la in_o bellâ—r_n cont_n 5._o l_o 1._o c_o 2_o danaeus_n de_fw-fr polit._n christ._n l._n 6_o p_o 452._o alsted_n theol._n case_z pag._n 518.520_o sopingâ—us_fw-la ad_fw-la bonam_fw-la fidem_fw-la sibrandi_fw-la pag._n 253._o etc._n etc._n the_o professor_n of_o leyden_n synt._n pur_fw-mi theol._n disp._n 42._o and_o sundry_a other_o who_o testimony_n i_o omit_v for_o brevity_n cause_n it_o be_v enough_o to_o note_v the_o place_n the_o author_n of_o the_o assertion_n for_o true_a and_o christian_a church_n policy_n pag._n 196.197_o cit_v for_o rule_v elder_n the_o testimony_n the_o commissioner_n of_o king_n edward_n the_o six_o authorize_v to_o compile_v a_o book_n for_o the_o reformation_n of_o law_n ecclesiastical_a among_o who_o be_v the_o archbishop_n of_o canterbury_n and_o the_o bishop_n of_o ely_n they_o say_v let_v the_o minister_n go_v apart_o with_o some_o of_o the_o elder_n take_v counsel_n etc._n etc._n voetâ—us_o cit_v to_o the_o same_o 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jurisconsults_a among_o the_o roman_n for_o the_o conservation_n and_o interpretation_n of_o the_o law_n do_v belong_v to_o the_o leviticall_a tribe_n hence_o it_o be_v that_o we_o read_v 2_o chron._n 19.8.11_o jehosaphat_n set_v in_o jerusalem_n of_o the_o levit_n and_o of_o the_o chief_a priest_n and_o of_o the_o chief_a of_o the_o father_n of_o israel_n some_o for_o the_o lord_n matter_n among_o who_o preside_v amariah_n the_o chief_a priest_n and_o some_o for_o the_o king_n matter_n among_o who_o preside_v zâ—badiah_n the_o ruler_n of_o the_o house_n of_o judah_n 119._o saravia_n say_v this_o place_n prove_v not_o that_o there_o be_v two_o distinct_a consistory_n one_o for_o civil_a another_o for_o ecclesiastical_a thing_n because_o say_v he_o by_o the_o king_n matter_n be_v mean_v matter_n of_o peace_n and_o war_n by_o the_o lord_n
matter_n the_o matter_n of_o law_n and_o judgement_n which_o be_v call_v the_o lord_n matter_n because_o the_o lord_n be_v the_o author_n of_o their_o civil_a law_n 24._o what_o a_o crazy_a device_n be_v this_o do_v not_o matter_n of_o peace_n and_o war_n come_v under_o the_o civil_a law_n which_o god_n have_v deliver_v to_o the_o jew_n as_o well_o as_o any_o matter_n of_o judgement_n betwixt_o man_n and_o man_n and_o what_o can_v be_v more_o plain_a than_o that_o the_o lord_n matter_n or_o thing_n pertain_v to_o god_n 5.1_o when_o they_o be_v difference_v from_o other_o matter_n be_v ever_o understand_v to_o be_v matter_n spiritual_a and_o ecclesiastical_a 17._o quapropter_fw-la wherefore_o say_v junius_n the_o reader_n be_v to_o be_v warn_v whosoever_o they_o be_v that_o consult_v the_o history_n of_o ancient_a time_n that_o where_o they_o read_v the_o name_n synedâ—tum_n they_o wise_o observe_v whether_o the_o civil_a assembly_n or_o the_o ecclesiastical_a be_v mean_v of_o because_o that_o name_n be_v confuse_v and_o indistinct_a after_o the_o time_n of_o antiochus_n but_o notwithstanding_o that_o in_o these_o latter_a time_n all_o good_a order_n have_v much_o degenerate_a and_o grow_v to_o confusion_n yet_o it_o seem_v to_o i_o that_o even_o in_o the_o day_n of_o our_o saviour_n christ_n the_o civil_a and_o ecclesiastical_a court_n remain_v distinct_a let_v i_o say_v my_o opinion_n with_o all_o man_n leave_n and_o under_o correction_n of_o the_o more_o learned_a that_o night_n that_o our_o lord_n be_v betray_v he_o be_v lead_v to_o the_o hall_n of_o cajaphas_n where_o there_o be_v hold_v a_o ecclesiastical_a sanedrim_n which_o ask_v jesus_n of_o his_o disciple_n and_o of_o his_o doctrine_n receive_v witness_n against_o he_o and_o pronounce_v he_o guilty_a of_o blasphemy_n mat._n 27.57_o mark_v 14.53.55_o joh._n 18.19_o nothing_o i_o find_v in_o this_o council_n why_o we_o shall_v think_v it_o civil_a for_o as_o touch_v the_o smite_v and_o buffet_n of_o christ_n mat._n 26.67_o luk_n 22.63_o some_o think_v it_o be_v by_o the_o servant_n of_o the_o high_a priest_n and_o elder_n after_o that_o they_o themselves_o have_v go_v home_o &_o leave_v the_o council_n howsoever_o it_o be_v do_v tumultuous_o not_o judicial_o and_o tumult_n may_v fall_v forth_o in_o any_o judicatory_a whether_o civil_a or_o ecclesiastical_a as_o for_o the_o sentence_n which_o they_o give_v mat._n 26.66_o he_o be_v guilty_a of_o death_n it_o prove_v not_o that_o this_o be_v a_o civil_a court_n for_o just_a so_o if_o a_o incestuous_a person_n shall_v be_v convict_v before_o a_o assembly_n of_o our_o church_n the_o moderator_n may_v ask_v the_o assembly_n what_o think_v you_o and_o they_o may_v well_o answer_v he_o be_v guilty_a of_o death_n away_o with_o he_o to_o the_o magistrate_n short_o then_o the_o matter_n debate_v in_o this_o nocturnal_a council_n be_v mere_o ecclesiastical_a and_o the_o accusation_n of_o sedition_n and_o make_v himself_o a_o king_n be_v not_o speak_v of_o till_o he_o be_v bring_v before_o pâ—â—at_v but_o there_o be_v another_o sanedrim_n convocat_n in_o the_o morning_n mat_n 27_o 1._o mark_v 15.1_o luk_n 22_o 66._o and_o this_o seem_v to_o have_v be_v not_o ecclesiastical_a but_o civil_a 1._o because_o they_o meddle_v not_o with_o the_o trial_n of_o his_o doctrine_n nor_o any_o examination_n of_o witness_n thereanent_a only_o they_o desire_v to_o hear_v out_o of_o his_o own_o mouth_n that_o which_o he_o have_v confess_v in_o the_o other_o council_n viz._n that_o he_o be_v the_o christ_n the_o son_n of_o god_n whereupon_o they_o take_v counsel_n how_o they_o may_v deliver_v he_o to_o pilate_n which_o be_v the_o end_n of_o their_o meeting_n 2._o mâ—â—k_o say_v they_o bind_v he_o and_o carry_v he_o awâ—y_o to_o pilate_n 3._o the_o ecclesiastical_a council_n have_v already_o do_v that_o which_o they_o think_v pertain_v to_o they_o for_o what_o shall_v they_o have_v convene_v again_o some_o say_v that_o aâ—l_v the_o high_a priest_n scribes_z and_o elder_n be_v not_o present_a at_o that_o nocturnal_a council_n and_o that_o therefore_o they_o convene_v more_o full_o in_o the_o morning_n but_o that_o the_o nocturnal_a council_n be_v full_o convene_v it_o be_v manifest_a from_o mat._n 26.59_o mark_v 14.53.55_o 4._o this_o last_o council_n lead_v jesus_n away_o to_o pilot_n and_o go_v themselves_o with_o he_o to_o accuse_v he_o before_o pilate_n of_o sedition_n and_o of_o make_v himself_o a_o king_n luk._n 23.1.2_o mat._n 27.12_o 5._o they_o complain_v that_o the_o power_n of_o capital_a punishment_n be_v take_v from_o they_o by_o the_o roman_n import_v that_o otherwise_o they_o may_v have_v put_v he_o to_o death_n by_o their_o law_n joh._n 18.31_o now_o d._n fields_n last_o reason_n be_v for_o that_o all_o father_n or_o counsel_n mention_v elder_n place_v they_o betwixt_o bishop_n and_o deacon_n and_o make_v they_o to_o be_v clergy_n man_n and_o that_o in_o the_o act_n where_o the_o apostle_n be_v say_v to_o have_v constitute_v elder_n in_o every_o church_n pastor_n be_v mean_v be_v strong_o confirm_v from_o act._n 20.17.28_o where_o the_o elder_n of_o the_o church_n of_o ephesus_n be_v command_v to_o feed_v the_o flock_n of_o christ_n over_o which_o they_o be_v appoint_v overseer_n whence_o it_o follow_v inevitable_o that_o they_o be_v pastor_n 14_o we_o answer_v 1._o ambrose_n speak_v of_o elder_n which_o be_v not_o pastor_n 2._o beza_n &_o gualther_n expound_v the_o place_n act._n 14.23_o where_o the_o apostle_n be_v say_v to_o have_v ordain_v elder_n through_o every_o church_n of_o rule_v as_o well_o as_o preach_v elder_n 3._o as_o for_o that_o which_o he_o allege_v from_o act._n 20._o beza_n 275._o junius_n and_o the_o professor_n of_o leyden_n hold_v that_o the_o name_n of_o bishop_n and_o pastor_n be_v common_a both_o to_o rule_v and_o preach_v elder_n and_o that_o the_o scripture_n give_v these_o name_n to_o both_o howsoever_o in_o ecclesiastical_a use_n for_o distinction_n cause_n they_o be_v appropriate_v to_o teach_v elder_n sure_o the_o roll_a elder_n both_o oversee_v the_o flock_n and_o feed_v the_o same_o both_o by_o discipline_n and_o by_o private_a admonition_n and_o for_o these_o respect_n may_v be_v true_o call_v both_o bishop_n and_o pastor_n 4._o how_o small_a reason_n he_o have_v to_o boast_v of_o the_o father_n we_o have_v already_o make_v it_o to_o appear_v 5._o it_o be_v a_o beg_n of_o the_o question_n to_o reason_n from_o the_o appropriation_n of_o the_o name_n of_o elder_n to_o the_o pastor_n chap._n xii_o the_o extravagancy_n of_o whitgift_n and_o saravia_n in_o the_o matter_n of_o rule_v elder_n these_o two_o disputer_n do_v not_o as_o d._n field_n altogether_o oppose_v the_o government_n of_o rule_v elder_n but_o with_o certain_a restriction_n about_o which_o notwithstanding_o they_o differ_v betwixt_o themselves_o whitgift_n allow_v of_o rule_v elder_n under_o a_o tyrant_n but_o not_o under_o a_o christian_a magistrate_n but_o â—ayeth_v they_o can_v be_v under_o a_o infidel_n magistrate_n i_o think_v i_o see_v here_o sampsons_n fox_n with_o their_o tail_n knit_v together_o and_o a_o firebrand_n betwixt_o they_o yet_o their_o head_n look_v sundry_a waâ—es_n 114._o to_o begin_v with_o whitgift_n he_o say_v in_o one_o place_n i_o know_v that_o in_o the_o primitive_a church_n they_o have_v in_o every_o church_n senior_n to_o who_o the_o government_n of_o the_o congregation_n be_v commit_v but_o that_o be_v before_o there_o be_v any_o christian_a prince_n or_o magistrate_n etc._n etc._n in_o another_o place_n my_o reason_n why_o it_o the_o church_n may_v not_o be_v govern_v under_o a_o christian_a magistrate_n be_v it_o may_v under_o a_o tyrant_n be_v this_o god_n have_v give_v the_o chief_a authority_n in_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n to_o the_o christian_a magistrate_n which_o can_v not_o be_v so_o if_o your_o seignory_n may_v aswell_o retain_v their_o authority_n under_o a_o christian_a prince_n and_o in_o the_o time_n of_o peace_n be_v under_o a_o tyrant_n and_o in_o the_o time_n of_o persecution_n for_o tell_v i_o i_o pray_v you_o what_o authority_n ecclesiastical_a remain_v to_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n where_o this_o seignory_n be_v establish_v he_o who_o please_v may_v find_v this_o opinion_n large_o consute_v by_o beza_n de_fw-fr presbyterio_n contra_fw-la erasmum_fw-la and_o by_o i._o b._n a._n c._n polit_fw-la civil_a &_o eccles._n 140_o in_o the_o mean_a while_o i_o answer_v first_o t._n c._n have_v make_v a_o sufficient_a reply_n hereunto_o which_o whitgift_n here_o in_o his_o defence_n shall_v have_v confute_v but_o have_v not_o viz._n that_o if_o the_o senior_n under_o a_o tyrant_n have_v meddle_v with_o any_o office_n of_o a_o magistrate_n than_o there_o have_v be_v some_o cause_n why_o a_o godly_a magistrate_n be_v in_o the_o church_n the_o office_n of_o a_o senior_n or_o at_o least_o so_o much_o as_o
he_o exercise_v of_o the_o office_n of_o a_o magistrate_n shall_v have_v cease_v but_o since_o they_o do_v only_o assist_v the_o pastor_n in_o matter_n ecclesiastical_a it_o follow_v that_o as_o touch_v the_o office_n of_o elder_n there_o be_v no_o distinction_n betwixt_o time_n of_o peace_n and_o persecution_n second_o there_o be_v senior_n among_o the_o jew_n under_o godly_a king_n and_o in_o time_n of_o peace_n why_o not_o likewise_o among_o we_o three_o the_o ecclesiastical_a power_n be_v distinct_a from_o the_o civil_a both_o in_o the_o subject_n object_n and_o end_n so_o that_o the_o one_o do_v not_o hinder_v the_o other_o the_o magistrate_n power_n be_v to_o punish_v the_o outward_a man_n with_o a_o outward_a punishment_n which_o the_o presbytery_n can_v hinder_v for_o he_o may_v civil_o bind_v who_o the_o presbytery_n spiritual_o lose_v and_o civil_o loose_v who_o the_o presbytery_n spiritual_o bind_v and_o that_o because_o the_o magistrate_n seek_v not_o the_o repentance_n and_o salvation_n of_o the_o delinquent_n by_o his_o punishment_n as_o the_o presbytery_n do_v but_o only_o the_o maintenance_n of_o the_o authority_n of_o his_o law_n together_o with_o the_o quietness_n and_o preservation_n of_o the_o commonwealth_n whence_o it_o come_v that_o the_o delinquent_n serape_v not_o free_a of_o the_o magistrate_n though_o he_o be_v penitent_a and_o not_o obstinate_a 4._o how_o think_v whitgift_n that_o the_o christian_n magistrate_n can_v do_v those_o thing_n which_o the_o seignory_n do_v under_o a_o tyrant_n can_v the_o magistrate_n by_o himself_o determine_v question_n of_o faith_n can_v he_o know_v what_o order_n and_o decency_n in_o circumstance_n be_v fit_a for_o each_o congregation_n can_v he_o excommunicate_v offender_n etc._n etc._n 5._o when_o bishop_n exercise_v ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n yea_o and_o the_o civil_a too_o this_o be_v think_v no_o wrong_n to_o prince_n be_v it_o a_o wrong_n in_o the_o presbytery_n yet_o not_o in_o this_o 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duty_n according_a to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o law_n of_o the_o church_n 7._o whatsoever_o be_v the_o power_n of_o the_o supreme_a magistrate_n ecclesiae_fw-la tamen_fw-la 452_o etc._n etc._n yet_o let_v he_o leave_v to_o the_o church_n and_o to_o the_o ecclesiastical_a ruler_n such_o as_o be_v the_o minister_n of_o the_o gospel_n elder_n and_o deacon_n their_o own_o power_n in_o handle_v ecclesiastical_a thing_n untouched_a and_o whole_a say_v danaeus_n for_o the_o ecclesiastical_a power_n do_v no_o more_o hinder_v the_o civil_a administration_n than_o the_o art_n of_o sing_v hinder_v it_o say_v the_o augustan_n confession_n 8._o we_o may_v answer_v by_o a_o just_a recrimination_n eccl._n that_o the_o prelacy_n not_o the_o presbytery_n be_v prejudicial_a to_o the_o power_n of_o prince_n and_o have_v often_o encroach_v upon_o the_o same_o the_o bishop_n assemble_v in_o the_o eight_o council_n of_o constantinople_n 14._o ordain_v that_o bishop_n shall_v not_o light_v from_o their_o horse_n when_o they_o chance_v to_o meet_v prince_n nor_o base_o bow_v before_o they_o and_o that_o if_o any_o prince_n shall_v cause_v a_o bishop_n to_o disparage_v himself_o by_o do_v otherwise_o he_o shall_v be_v excommunicate_v for_o two_o year_n 17._o they_o also_o discharge_v prince_n from_o be_v present_a in_o any_o synod_n except_o the_o oâ—cumenicke_n â—7_z the_o 1._o council_n of_o toledo_n ordain_v that_o quoties_fw-la episcoporum_fw-la hispanorum_fw-la synodus_fw-la convenerit_fw-la toties_fw-la universalis_fw-la concilii_fw-la decretum_fw-la propter_fw-la salutem_fw-la principum_fw-la factum_fw-la peractis_fw-la omnibus_fw-la in_o synodo_fw-la recitetur_fw-la ut_fw-la iniquorum_fw-la mens_fw-la territa_fw-la corrigatur_fw-la from_o which_o canon_n osiander_n collect_v that_o some_o of_o the_o bishop_n be_v not_o faithful_a and_o loyal_a to_o the_o king_n of_o spain_n the_o inquisition_n of_o spain_n anno_fw-la 1568._o present_v to_o king_n philip_n twelve_o article_n against_o the_o netherlands_o 309._o one_o whereof_o be_v that_o the_o king_n write_v unto_o and_o command_v the_o clergy_n of_o the_o netherlands_o that_o with_o the_o inquisition_n they_o shall_v accept_v of_o 15._o new_a bishop_n the_o which_o shall_v be_v free_a from_o all_o secular_a jurisdiction_n yea_o in_o case_n of_o treason_n now_o as_o touch_v the_o contrary_a conceit_n of_o saravia_n 110.114.116_o he_o allow_v such_o elder_n as_o the_o jewish_a church_n have_v to_o be_v join_v now_o with_o pastor_n under_o a_o christian_a magistrate_n but_o under_o a_o infidel_n magistrate_n he_o say_v they_o can_v have_v no_o place_n for_o he_o take_v the_o jewish_a elder_n to_o have_v be_v their_o magistrate_n &_o that_o in_o like_a manner_n none_o but_o christian_a magistrate_n shall_v sit_v with_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o word_n in_o ecclesiastical_a court_n prince_n and_o noble_n in_o general_a or_o national_n council_n and_o magistrate_n of_o city_n in_o particular_a 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be_v a_o express_a difference_n make_v betwixt_o paul_n lay_v on_o of_o his_o hand_n and_o the_o presbytery_n lay_v on_o of_o their_o hand_n of_o the_o former_a it_o be_v say_v that_o timothy_n receive_v the_o gift_n which_o be_v in_o he_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d by_o the_o lay_n on_o of_o paul_n hand_n but_o he_o receive_v the_o gift_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d with_o the_o lay_n on_o of_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o presbytery_n as_o didoclavius_n note_v but_o say_v sutlivius_n timothy_n be_v a_o evangelist_n as_o you_o hold_v how_o can_v he_o be_v ordain_v by_o the_o presbytery_n ans._n 1._o though_o the_o presbytery_n do_v neither_o give_v he_o ordination_n to_o be_v a_o evangelist_n nor_o yet_o confer_v by_o the_o lay_n on_o of_o their_o hand_n extraordinary_a gift_n upon_o he_o yet_o do_v they_o lie_v on_o their_o hand_n as_o set_v to_o the_o the_o seal_n and_o testimony_n and_o commend_v he_o to_o the_o grace_n of_o god_n even_o as_o certain_a prophet_n and_o teacher_n lay_v hand_n on_o paul_n and_o barnabas_n and_o ananias_n also_o before_o that_o time_n have_v lay_v his_o hand_n upon_o paul_n 2._o the_o presbytery_n may_v ordain_v timothy_n to_o be_v a_o elder_a if_o so_o be_v he_o be_v ordain_v a_o elder_a before_o he_o be_v ordain_v a_o evangelist_n 3._o if_o the_o testimony_n of_o the_o presbytery_n by_o the_o lay_n on_o of_o their_o hand_n together_o with_o the_o apostle_n hand_n in_o the_o extraordinary_a mission_n of_o timothy_n be_v require_v much_o more_o may_v it_o be_v put_v out_o of_o question_n that_o the_o apostle_n commit_v to_o the_o presbytery_n the_o full_a power_n of_o ordain_v ordinary_a minister_n but_o it_o be_v further_o object_v by_o sutlivius_n that_o this_o can_v not_o be_v such_o a_o presbytery_n as_o be_v among_o we_o because_o ordination_n and_o imposition_n of_o hand_n pertain_v to_o none_o but_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o word_n 8.10_o ans._n 1._o the_o child_n of_o israel_n lay_v their_o hand_n upon_o the_o levite_n &_o we_o will_v know_v his_o reason_n why_o he_o deny_v the_o like_a power_n to_o rule_v elder_n now_o especial_o since_o this_o imposition_n of_o hand_n be_v but_o a_o gesture_n of_o one_o pray_v and_o a_o moral_a sign_n declare_v the_o person_n pray_v for_o 2._o howsoever_o our_o practice_n whâ—ch_n be_v also_o approve_a by_o good_a divine_n be_v 37._o to_o put_v a_o difference_n betwixt_o the_o act_n of_o ordination_n and_o the_o external_a right_n thereof_o which_o be_v imposition_n of_o hand_n ascribe_v the_o former_a to_o the_o whole_a presbytery_n both_o pastor_n and_o elder_n and_o reserve_v the_o latter_a to_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o word_n yet_o to_o be_v do_v in_o the_o name_n of_o all_o thus_o have_v we_o evince_v the_o apostle_n meaning_n when_o he_o speak_v of_o a_o presbytery_n and_o this_o consistory_n we_o find_v to_o have_v continue_v in_o the_o christian_a church_n in_o the_o age_n after_o the_o apostle_n it_o be_v certain_a that_o the_o ancient_a bishop_n have_v no_o power_n to_o judge_v any_o cause_n without_o the_o presence_n advice_n and_o counsel_n of_o their_o presbyter_n conc._n carth._n 4._o can_n 23._o field_n forbesse_n saravia_n and_o douname_n do_v all_o acknowledge_v that_o it_o be_v so_o and_o so_o do_v bellarmine_n de_fw-fr pont._n rom._n l._n 1._o c._n 8._o of_o this_o presbytery_n speak_v cyprian_a omni_fw-la actu_fw-la ad_fw-la i_o perlato_fw-la placuit_fw-la contrahi_fw-la presbyterium_fw-la etc._n etc._n of_o the_o presbytery_n speak_v the_o same_o cyprian_a lib._n 2._o ep._n 8._o &_o lib._n 4._o ep._n 5._o ignatius_n ad_fw-la trall_n and_o hierom_n in_o esa._n 3_o we_o find_v it_o also_o in_o conc_fw-fr ancyr_n can_v 18_o and_o in_o conc_fw-fr carthag_n 4._o can_n 35.40_o 254.255_o doctor_n forbesse_n allege_v that_o the_o word_n presbytery_n for_o fifteen_o hundred_o year_n after_o christ_n do_v signify_v no_o other_o thing_n in_o the_o church_n than_o a_o diocesan_n synod_n but_o herein_o if_o he_o have_v understand_v himself_o he_o speak_v not_o so_o much_o against_o presbytery_n as_o against_o prelate_n for_o a_o diocese_n of_o old_a be_v bound_v within_o one_o city_n 2._o tumque_fw-la jampridem_fw-la per_fw-la omnes_fw-la provincias_fw-la &_o per_fw-la urbes_fw-la singulas_fw-la ordinati_fw-la sint_fw-la episcopi_fw-la etc._n etc._n say_v cyprian_n it_o be_v necessary_a to_o ordain_v bishop_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 10._o say_v chrysostome_n speak_v of_o the_o primitive_a time_n yea_o in_o country_n village_n also_o be_v bishop_n who_o be_v call_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d that_o be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d rural_a bishop_n who_o episcopal_a office_n though_o limit_v yet_o be_v allow_v in_o the_o council_n of_o ancyra_n can_v 13._o and_o the_o council_n of_o antioch_n can_v 8._o &_o 10._o 4._o sozomen_n record_v that_o the_o village_n majuma_n which_o be_v sometime_o a_o suburb_n of_o the_o city_n gaza_n be_v not_o subject_a to_o the_o bishop_n of_o gaza_n but_o have_v its_o own_o proper_a bishop_n and_o that_o by_o the_o decree_n of_o a_o synod_n in_o palestina_n the_o council_n of_o sardis_n can_v 6._o and_o the_o council_n of_o laodicea_n can_v 57_o though_o they_o discharge_v the_o ordain_v of_o bishop_n in_o village_n lest_o the_o name_n of_o a_o bishop_n shall_v grow_v contemptible_a do_v nevertheless_o allow_v every_o city_n to_o have_v a_o bishop_n of_o its_o own_o what_o have_v doctor_n forbesse_n now_o gain_v by_o maintain_v that_o the_o bound_n of_o a_o presbytery_n and_o of_o a_o diocese_n be_v all_o one_o they_o in_o the_o netherlâ—nds_n sometime_o call_v their_o presbytery_n diocaeses_n 100.101_o and_o many_o of_o our_o presbytery_n be_v great_a than_o be_v diocese_n of_o old_a we_o conclude_v there_o be_v ancient_o a_o presbytery_n in_o every_o city_n which_o do_v indeed_o choose_v one_o of_o their_o number_n to_o preside_v among_o they_o and_o to_o lay_v on_o hand_n in_o name_n of_o the_o rest_n and_o he_o be_v call_v the_o bishop_n wherein_o they_o do_v more_o trust_n the_o deceivable_a goodness_n of_o their_o own_o intention_n then_o advert_v to_o the_o rule_n of_o the_o word_n of_o god_n these_o thing_n premit_v i_o come_v now_o to_o that_o which_o be_v principal_o intend_v viz._n by_o what_o warrant_n and_o quâ—_n jure_v the_o classical_a presbytery_n among_o we_o make_v up_o out_o of_o many_o neighbour_a congregation_n shall_v be_v the_o ordinary_a court_n of_o ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n at_o least_o in_o all_o matter_n of_o high_a importance_n which_o do_v concern_v either_o all_o or_o any_o of_o those_o congregation_n for_o resolution_n hereof_o we_o must_v understand_v 1._o that_o cause_v common_a to_o many_o congregation_n ought_v not_o to_o be_v judge_v by_o any_o one_o of_o they_o but_o by_o the_o great_a presbytery_n common_a to_o they_o all_o 2._o it_o be_v to_o be_v suppose_v that_o particular_a congregation_n at_o least_o the_o far_o great_a part_n of_o they_o have_v not_o in_o their_o proper_a eldership_n so_o many_o man_n of_o sufficient_a ability_n as_o be_v requisite_a in_o judge_v and_o determine_v the_o case_n of_o the_o examination_n of_o minister_n of_o ordination_n deposition_n excommunication_n and_o the_o like_a 3._o when_o one_o appeal_v from_o a_o particular_a eldership_n out_o of_o persuasion_n that_o he_o be_v wrong_v by_o the_o sentence_n thereof_o or_o when_o that_o eldership_n find_v its_o own_o insufficiency_n for_o determine_v some_o difficult_a cause_n resolve_v to_o refer_v the_o same_o into_o a_o high_a court_n reason_n will_v that_o there_o shall_v be_v a_o ordinary_a court_n of_o a_o classical_a presbytery_n to_o receive_v such_o appellation_n or_o reference_n 4._o congregation_n which_o lie_v near_o together_o ought_v all_o as_o one_o to_o keep_v unity_n and_o conformity_n in_o church_n policy_n and_o government_n neither_o ought_v one_o of_o they_o be_v permit_v to_o do_v a_o
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already_o a_o certain_a number_n of_o bishop_n or_o pastor_n in_o that_o city_n yet_o the_o apostle_n think_v it_o necessary_a to_o send_v unto_o they_o epaphroditus_n also_o phil._n 2.25_o be_v short_o thereafter_o to_o send_v unto_o they_o timotheus_n verse_n 19_o yea_o to_o come_v himself_o verse_n 24._o so_o that_o there_o be_v no_o scarcity_n of_o labourer_n in_o that_o harvest_n epaphras_n and_o archippus_n be_v pastor_n to_o the_o church_n at_o colosse_n and_o who_o beside_o we_o can_v tell_v but_o paul_n send_v unto_o they_o also_o tychicus_n and_o onesimuâ—_n col._n 4.7.9_o now_o touch_v the_o three_o proposition_n no_o man_n who_o understand_v will_v imagine_v that_o the_o multitude_n of_o christian_n within_o one_o of_o those_o great_a city_n be_v divide_v into_o as_o many_o parish_n as_o there_o be_v meet_v place_n for_o worship_n it_o be_v a_o point_n of_o controversy_n who_o do_v begin_v the_o division_n of_o parish_n but_o whosoever_o it_o be_v whether_o evaristus_n or_o 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for_o example_n it_o may_v fall_v forth_o that_o a_o congregation_n can_v meet_v together_o into_o one_o but_o into_o divers_a place_n and_o this_o may_v continue_v so_o for_o some_o year_n together_o either_o by_o reason_n of_o persecution_n or_o by_o mean_n of_o the_o plague_n or_o because_o they_o have_v not_o such_o a_o large_a parish-church_n as_o may_v contain_v they_o all_o so_o that_o a_o part_n of_o they_o must_v meet_v in_o some_o other_o place_n but_o a_o multitude_n can_v be_v one_o church_n unless_o they_o communicate_v in_o the_o same_o church_n government_n and_o under_o the_o same_o governor_n by_o one_o church_n i_o mean_v one_o ecclesiastical_a republic_n even_o as_o the_o like_a union_n under_o civil_a government_n and_o governor_n make_v one_o corporation_n when_o the_o apostle_n speak_v to_o all_o the_o bishop_n of_o the_o church_n of_o ephesus_n 20.28_o he_o exhort_v they_o all_o to_o take_v heed_n to_o all_o the_o flock_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d over_o 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that_o the_o consistorian_n course_n be_v contrary_a to_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o apostolic_a church_n because_o the_o apostle_n 1_o cor._n 5._o write_v to_o the_o whole_a church_n of_o corinth_n to_o excommunicate_v the_o incestuous_a man_n and_o that_o by_o these_o word_n when_o you_o be_v câ—me_o together_o the_o whole_a church_n be_v to_o be_v understand_v 12._o he_o prove_v by_o three_o reason_n the_o strength_n of_o they_o all_o we_o shall_v take_v together_o in_o one_o argument_n thus_o they_o among_o who_o the_o fornicatour_n be_v who_o be_v puff_v up_o when_o they_o shall_v have_v sorrow_v and_o out_o of_o the_o midst_n of_o who_o he_o be_v to_o be_v put_v who_o have_v do_v that_o thing_n to_o who_o it_o appertain_v to_o purge_v out_o the_o old_a leven_fw-mi and_o to_o who_o the_o apostle_n write_v not_o to_o be_v commingle_v with_o fornicator_n or_o covetous_a person_n they_o be_v to_o be_v gather_v together_o into_o one_o and_o to_o judge_v and_o excommunicate_v that_o 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