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A34675	A defence of Mr. John Cotton from the imputation of selfe contradiction, charged on him by Mr. Dan. Cavvdrey written by himselfe not long before his death ; whereunto is prefixed, an answer to a late treatise of the said Mr. Cavvdrey about the nature of schisme, by John Owen ...	Cotton, John, 1584-1652.; Owen, John, 1616-1683. Of schisme.	1658 (1658)	Wing C6427; ESTC R2830	62,631	184

particular Church it is no Church at all for the Catholicke Church it is not he replyes that though it be not such a particular Congregation as I intend yet it may be a particular Patriarchall Church but 1 then it seemes it is a particular Church which grants my inference 2. It was a particular Church of Christ's institution that I inquired after doth our Authour think that Christ hath appointed any Patriarchall Church a Patriarchall Church as such is such from it's Relation to a Patriarch and he can scarce be thought to judge Patriarches to be of Divine institution who hath cast off and abjured Episcopacy The Donatists are mentioned againe p. 113. And I am againe Charged with an attempt to vindicate them from schisme my thoughts of them I have before declared to the full have no reason to retract any thing from what was then spoken or to adde any thing thereunto if it may satisfie our Authour I here grant they were Schismatickes with what aggravations he pleaseth wherein their schisme consisted I have also declared but he sayes I undertake to exempt some others from schisme I know whom that suffer with them in former and after ages under the same imputation I doe so indeed and I suppose our Authour may ghesse at whom I intend himselfe amongst others I hope he is not so taken up in his thoughts with charging schisme on others as to forget that many the greatest part and number of the true Churchs of Christ doe condemne him for a Schismatick a Donatisticall Schismatick I suppose he acknowledges the Church of Rome to be a true Church the Lutheran I am perswaded he will not deny nor perhaps the Grecian to be so The Episcopall Church of England he contends for and yet all these with one voice cry out upon him for a Schismaticke and as to the plea of the last how he can satisfie his conscience as to the rejection of his lawfull superiors upon his owne principles without pretending any such crime against them as the Donatists did against Caecilianus I professe I do not understand new mention is made of Episcopall ordination p. 120 And they are said to have had their successive ordination from Rome who ordained therein so indeed some say and some otherwise whether they had or no is nothing to me I lay no weight upon it they held I am sure that place in England that without their approbation no man could publickly preach the Gospell to say they were Presbyters and ordained as Presbyters I know not what satisfaction can arise unto Conscience thereby Party and argument may be countenanced by it they professe they ordained as Bishops that for their lives and soules they durst not ordaine but as such so they told those whom they ordained and affirme they have open injury done them by any ones deniall of it As it was the best is to be made of it this shift is not handsome nor is it ingenious for any one that hath looked into Antiquity to charge me with departing from their sense in the notion of schisme declared about the 3d 4th Ages at the same time to maintaine an equality between Bishops and Presbyters or to say that Bishops ordained as Presbyters not as Bishops nor doe I understand the excellency of that order which we see in some Churches where they have two sorts of Elders the one made so by ordination without Election and the other by Election without ordination those who are ordained casting off all power and Authority of them that ordained them and those who are elected immediately rejecting the greatest part of those that chose them Nor did I as is pretend plead for their Presbyterian way in the yeare 46 all the ministers almost in the county of Essex know the contrary one especially who being a man of great ability and moderation of spirit and for his knowledge in those things not behind any man I know in England of his way with whome in that yeare and the next following I had sundry conferences at publicke meetings of ministers as to the severall wayes of Reformation then under proposall But the frivolousnesse of these imputations hath been spoken of before as also the falsnesse of the Calumny which our Authour is pleased to repeat againe about my turning from wayes in Religion My description of a particular Church he once more blames as applicable to the Catholicke Church invisible and to the visible Catholick Church I suppose he meanes as such when a participation in the same ordinances numerically is assigned as its difference He askes whether it becomes my ingenuity to interpret the capability of a Churches reduction to it's primitive constitution by its owne fitnesse and capacity to be so reduced rather then by its externall hinderances or furtherances But with what ingenuity or modesty that question is asked I professe I understand not and pag. 134 he hath this passage only I take notice of his introduction to his answer with thankes for the civility of the inquiry in the manner of its expresion my words were these whether our Reverend Authour doe not in his conscience thinke there was no true Church in England 'till c which puts me into suspition that the Reverend Doctour was offended that I did not alwaies for oft I doe give him that title of the Reverend Authour or the Doctor which made him cry out he was never so dealt withall by any party as by me though upon review I doe not find that I gave him any uncivill language unbeseeming me to give or him to receive and I heare that somebody hath dealt more uncivilly with him in that respect which he took very ill Let this Reverend Authour make what use of it he please I cannot but againe tell him that these things become neither him nor any man professing the Religion of Jesus Christ or that hath any respect to truth or sobriety can any man thinke that in his conscience he gives any credit to the insinuation which here he makes that I should thanke him for calling me Reverend Authour or Reverend Doctor or be troubled for his not useing those expressions Can the mind of an honest man be thought to be conversant with such meane and low thoughts for the Title of Reverend I doe give him notice that I have very little valued it ever since I have considered the saying of Luther Nunquam periclitatur Religio nisi inter Reverendissimos So that he may as to me forbeare it for the future and call me as the Quakers doe and it shall suffice And for that of Doctor it was conferred on me by the University in my absence and against my consent as they have expressed it under their publicke seale nor doth any thing but gratitude and respect unto them make me once own it and freed from that obligation I should never use it more nor did I use it untill some were offended with me blamed me for my

p. 45. 14. In Act. 13. 2 3. There is no Ordination to Office at all for the Apostles had their office before Mr. Hooker Surv. Part. 2. p. 83. This was not to put a new office upon them but to confirme their sending to the Gentiles ib. p. 60. 14. This was done in a Particular Church Keyes p. 29. The officers of one Church did what was done in an ordinary Way Surv. Parr 2. p. 83. Then it followeth by Mr. C. his Doctrine that the Apostles who were officers in all Churches were ordained in a Particular Church or that officers of a Church may be ordained in another Church which he said was unwarrantable Ans. 1. When I say in the Way That Paul and Barnabas were ordained to the Apostolick office by Imposition of hands of some officers of the Church at Antioch Act. 13. 1 2 3. It is not Disproved by Mr Hooker saying that they had had their office before For I noe where say That ordination Giveth the office but only Approveth it and Solemnely as it were Installeth the elect officer into it and sendeth him forth with a Blessing into the Administration of it Neither when he saith That there is there no Ordination unto office at all doth he contradict what I affirme For his meaning is to Deny it in Mr Rutherford's sence who speaketh there of Ordination as Giving the calling unto the office which Mr Hooker Disproveth and therein I concurre with him For it puts no New office upon them but Bare witnesse to that calling which the Holy Ghost had given them When Mr Hooker saith The Officers of one Church did what was done in an ordinary way He himselfe inferreth the consequence Therefore it is no Precedent for the Pastors of many Churches what either they may or should doe But the Inferences which Mr Cawdry gathereth as from my Doctrine out of that Text either will not hold or not hurt our cause For this Inference will not hold That then the Officers of one Chuch may be ordained in another For they were as much Officers of the Church of Antioch as of any other Churches It will only inferre That they who are officers in many Churches may be Ordained in any one of them The other inference will in part follow That some of the Apostles who were Officers in all Churches may be Ordained in a Particular Church when the Holy Ghost calleth for it For they Act now not in their own Name or Power but in the great Name and Soveraigne Power of the Lord Jesus who is the Head of all Churches But what Prejudice is that to our cause or wherein doth it contradict any of our Tenents The 15th Contradiction is thus Declared 15. What if the whole Presbytery offend The readiest course is to bring the matter to a Synod the keyes pag. 43. 15. There is a readier and nearer way The Brethren may censure them all Way pag. 45. If the Congregation be found faithfull and willing to Remove an offence by due censure why should the offence be called up to a more publicke Judicature Keyes pag. 42. Ans. This Contradiction is made partly out of the concealment of Part of my words in the first Columne and Partly out of the Addition of some words of his own in the second Columne In the former Columne I say If the whole Presbytery offend or such a Part as will draw a Party and a Faction in the Church with them the readiest course then is to bring the matter to a Synod where those words such a Part as will draw a Party or Faction in the Church with them are given for the just Reason why in such a case the case of the offending Presbytery or other such Leading members in the Church should be brought to a Synod before it be censured in the Church But in the words recited in the latter Columne I speak of the Congregation as Agreeing together and both faithfull and willing to Proceed against Hereticall Doctrine and Scandalous crimes in whomsoever And then they need not Trouble the Synod to cleare the case which is already cleare unto themselves so that this Contradiction speaketh not ad Idem The one Columne speaketh of a Church Divided into parts and Factions and their readiest course is to bring the matter to a Synod The second Columne speaketh of a Church both faithfull and willing to Proceede against offences with one accord And then they have sufficient Power within themselves to judge that which is right and to execute their Judgment That which is Added of the Replyers own words in the latter Columne doth help not a little to make up an Appearance of the Contradiction In the Keyes I had sayd In the case above mentioned It is the readiest course to bring the matter to the Synod In the Way he quoteth my words as if I had said There is a readier and nearer way The Brethren may censure them all If these words had been mine there had been an Appearance of Contradiction To say this is the readyest course and yet to say a Discrepant course is a readier and nearer way is at least verbo tenus an apparent Contradiction But the Truth is Those words are none of mine but the Replyers own And so it will be an easy matter to make up Contradictions tot quot if we may take leave in one sentence to conceale Part of the words necessary to make up the sense and in another sentence to Adde words of our owne The 16th Contradiction is delivered thus 16. It belongeth to the civill Magistrate to establish pure Religion in Doctrine worship and Government partly by civill Punishment upon the wilfull oppressours and Disturbers of the same Keyes p. 50. 16. Yet the Brethren here call for or Tolerate Toleration of all Opinions and Deny the magistrate Power to Punish any Pretending conscience Bartlets Model pag. 128. 16. See Mr. Bartlets Modell p. 25. Contrà Ans. 1. This Contradiction laboureth of the same Disease as the rest generally Doe It speaketh not ad Idem Such as require the Magistrate to establish Pure Religion in Doctrine worship and Government and to Restraine the willfull opposers and Disturbers thereof by civill Punishments They speak of Fundamentals in Religion and such opinions as apparently tend to libertinisme and licentious ungodlynesse as Mr Bartlet expresseth it Modell pag. 126. But the Toleration which they Allow and call for is of such opinions as neither subvert the Foundation of Religion nor Practise of Piety Both these may be maintained without the least shew of the face of Contradiction Further I find this in Mr Bartlet That himselfe and some others are not free That Hereticks should be put to Death in case they keep their errors to themselves and doe not seek to seduce and corrupt others And though I grant that such an Heretick after once or twice Admonition may be Rejected out of the Church according to Titus 3. 10 11. yet I doe not finde that Moses