Maiestie keeping an euen hand willed that the worde Disciples shoulde bee omitted and the wordes Iesus said to bee Printed in a different letter that it might appeare not to be a part of the text The third obiection against Subscripti on were Interogatories in baptisme propounded to Infantes which being a profound point was put vpon M. Knewstubs to pursue who in a long and perplexed speech saide something out of S. Austen that baptizare was credere but what it was his Maiestie plainely confessed Ego non intelligo and asked the Lords what they thought hee meant it seemed that one present conceiued him for hee standing at his backe bid him vrge that punct vrge that punct that is a good point my Lord of VVinton aiming at his meaning shewed him the vse thereof out of S. Austen and added the Fathers reason for it Qui peccauit in altero credat in altero which was seconded by his Maiestie whome it pleased for the rest of the matters which followed him selfe alone to answere and iustly might hee appropriate it to himselfe for none present were able with quicker conceit to vnderstand with a more singular dexteritie to refute with a more iudicious resolution to determine then his Maiestie herein being more admirable that these points wherein some thought him preiudiciall to the contrarie all of vs supposed him to haue beene but a stranger to them he could so intelligently apprehend and so readily argue about them it was I say seconded by his Maiesty by reason that the question should bee propounded to the party whome it principally concerned secondly by example of himselfe to whom interrogatories were propounded when he was crowned in his infancie king of Scotland And here his Maiestie as hereafter at the end of euery obiection hee did asked them whether they had any more to say M. Knewstubs tooke exceptions to the Crosse in Baptisme which were in number two First the offence of Weake brethren grounded vpon the words of Saint Paule Rom. 14. and 1. Cor. 8. viz the Consciences of the weake not to bee offended which places his excellent Maiestie aunswered most acutely beginning with that generall rule of the Fathers Distingue tempora concordabunt Scripturae shewing heere the difference of those times and ours then a Church not fully planted nor settled but ours long stablished and flourishing then Christians newely called from Paganisme and not throughly grounded which is not the case of this Church seeing that Heathenish doctrine for manie yeares hath beene hence abandoned Secondly with a question vnanswerable asking them how long they woulde bee weake whether 45. yeares were not sufficient for them to growe strong 3. Who they were that pretended this weaknesse for wee saith the King require not now Subscription of Laikes Idiots but Preachers and Ministers who are not still I trow to be fed with milke but are enabled to feede others 4. That is was to bee doubted some of them were strong enough if not headstrong and howsoeuer they in this case pretended weakenesse yet some in whose behalfe they nowe spake thought themselues able to teach him and all the Bishops of the land His obiection against the Crosse consisted of three Interrogatories 1. Whether the Church had power to institute an externall significant signe to which was replyed first that hee did mistake the vse of the Crosse with vs which was not vsed in Baptisme any otherwise then onely as a ceremonie Secondly by their owne example who make imposition of handes in their ordination of Pastors to be a signe significant Thirdly in prayer saieth the Bishoppe of Winton the kneeling on the grounde the lifting vp of our handes the knocking of our breastes are Ceremonics significant the first of our humilitie comming before the mightie God the second of our confidence and hope the other of our sorrow detestation of our sins and these are and may lawfully bee vsed Lastly M. Deane of the Chappell remembred the practise of the Iewes who vnto the institution of the Passeouer prescribed vnto them by Moses had as the Rabbines witnesse added both signes and words eating sowre hearbs and drinking wine with these words to both Take and eate these in remembrance c. Drinke this in remembrance c. Vpon which addition and tradition of theirs our Sauiour instituted the Sacrament of his last Supper in celebrating it with the same wordes and after the same manner thereby approuing that fact of theirs in particular and generally that a Church may institute and retaine a signe significant which satisfied his Maiestie exceeding well And here the king desired to haue himselfe made acquainted about the antiquitie of the vse of the Crosse. Which Doctor Reynaldes confessed to haue beene euer since the Apostles times but this was the difficulty to proue it of that auncient vse in Baptisme For that at their going abroad or entering into the Church or at their Prayers and benedictions it was vsed by the Auncients desired no greate proofe but whether in Baptisme Antiquitie approued it was the doubt cast in by M. Deane of Sarum whome his Maiestie singled out with a speciall Encomion that hee was a man well trauelled in the Auncients which doubt was answered obsignatis tabulis by the Deane of Westminster whome the Kings Maiestie vpon my Lord of London his motion willed to speake to that poynt out of Tertullian Cyprian Origen and others that it was vsed in Immortali lauacro which wordes being a little descanted it fell from one I thinke it was my Lord of VVinchester obiter to say that in Constantine his time it was vsed in Baptisme What quoth the King and is it now come to that passe that wee shall appeach Constantine of Popery and superstition if then it were vsed saith his Maiesty I see no reason but that still wee may continue it M. Knewstubs his second question was that put case the Church had such power to adde significant signes whether it might there adde them where Christ had already ordayned one which hee saide was no lesse derogatorie to Christes institution as he thought then if any Potentate of this land should presume to adde his seale vnto the great seale of England To which his Maiesty answered that the case was not alike for that no signe or thing was added to the Sacrament which was fully and perfectly finished before any mention of the Crosse is made for confirmation whereof hee willed the place to be read Lastly if the Church had that power also yet the greatest scruple to their Conscience was how farre such an ordinance of the Church was to binde them without impeaching their Christian Libertie whereat the King as it seemed was much moued and tolde him hee would not argue that point with him but aunswere therein as Kinges are wont to speake in Parliament Le Roy J'auiserá adding withall that it smelled very rankly of Anabaptisme comparing it vnto the vsage of a beardlesse boy
the Lords he sate downe in his chaire remoued forward from the cloth of State a prettie distance where beginning with a most graue and princely declaration of his generall drift in calling this assembly no nouell deuise but according to the example of all Christian Princes who in the commencement of their raigne vsually take the first course for the establishing of the Church both for doctrine and policie to which the verie Heathens themselues had relation in their prouerbe A Ioue Principium and particularly in this land King Henry the eight toward the ende of his raigne after him King Edward the 6 who altered more after him Queene Marie who reuersed all and the last Queene of famous memory so his highnesse added for it is worth the noting that his Maiestie neuer remembreth her but with some honourable addition who setled it as now it standeth wherein hee sayd that he vvas happier then they in this because they were faine to alter all thinges they found established but he saw yet no cause so much to alter and chaunge any thing as to confirme that which he found well setled already which state as it seemed so affected his royal hart that it pleased him both to enter into a gratulation to almightie God at which wordes hee put off his hat for bringing him into the promised land where Religion was purely professed where he sate among graue learned and reuerend men not as before else where a King without state without honor without order where beardlesse boyes would braue him to his face and to assure vs that he called not this assembly for any Innouation acknowledging the gouernement Ecclesiasticall as now it is to haue beene approued by manifold blessings from God himselfe both for the encrease of the Gospell and vvith a most happie and glorious peace Yet because nothing could be so absolutely ordered but something might bee added afterward thereunto and in any state as in the body of man corruptions might insensibly grow either through time or persons and in that hee had receiued many complaintes since his first entrance into the kingdome especially through the dissentions in the Church of many disorders as he heard and much disobedience to the lawes with a great falling away to Popery his purpose therefore was like a good Physition to examine trie the complaintes and fully to remoue the occasions thereof if they proue scandalous or to cure them if they were daungerous or if but friuolous yet to take knowledge of them thereby to cast a sop into Cerberus his mouth that hee may neuer barke againe his meaning beeing as hee pleased to professe to giue factious spirites no occasion hereby of boasting or glory for which cause hee had called the Bishops in seuerally by themselues not to be confronted by the contrary opponents that if any thing should be found meete to be redressed it might be done which his Maiestie twise or thrise as occasion serued reiterated without any visible alteration And this was the summe so farre as my dull head could conceiue and carry it of his Maiesties generall speech In particular he signified vnto them the principall matters why hee called them alone with vvhome hee vvould consult about some speciall pointes wherein himselfe desired to bee satisfied these hee reduced to three heades First concerning the Booke of Common Prayer and Diuine Seruice vsed in this Church Second Excommunication in the Ecclesiasticall Courtes Third the Prouiding of fit and able Minister s for Ireland In the booke he required satisfaction about three thinges First about Confirmation first for the name if arguing a confirming of Baptisme as if this Sacrament without it were of no validity then were it blasphemous Secondly for the vse first brought vpon this occasion Infants being baptized and aunswering by their Patrini it was necessarie they should bee examined when they came to yeares of discretion and after their profession made by themselues to be confirmed with a blessing or prayer of the Bishop laying his handes vpon their heades abhorring the abuse in Popery where it was made a sacrament and a corroboration to Baptisme The second was for Absolution vvhich how we vsed it in our Church hee knewe not hee had heard it likened to the Popes pardons but his Maiesties opinion was that there being onely two kindes thereof from God the one generall the other particular for the first all prayers and preaching do import an Absolution for the second it is to bee applied to speciall parties who hauing committed a scandall and repenting are absolued otherwise where there precedes not either excommunication or pennance there needs no absolution The third was Priuate Baptisme if priuate for place his Maiestie thought it agreed with the vse of the primitiue church if for persons that any but a Lawfull Minister might baptize any where he vtterly disliked and in this point his Highnesse grew somewhat earnest against the baptizing by women and Laikes The second head was Excommunication wherein hee offered two thinges to bee considered of first the matter second the person In the matter first whether it were executed as it is complained in light causes second whether it were not vsed too often In the Persons first why Lay men as Chancelors Commissaries should do it second why the Bishops themselues for the more dignitie to so high and waightie a censure should not take vpon them for their assistantes the Deane and Chapter or other ministers and Chaplaines of grauitie and account and so likewise in other Censures and giuing of orders c. The last for Ireland his Maiestie referred as you shall in the last daies conference heare to a consulation His Highnesse to whome I offer great wrong in beeing as Phocion to Demosthenes 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the hatchet to cut short so admirable a speech hauing ended the Lord Archbishop after that on his knee he had signified hovve much this Whole land was bound to God for setting ouer vs a King so wise learned and iudicious addressed himselfe to enforme his Maiestie of all these pointes in their seuerall order And first as touching Confirmation hee shewed at large the antiquitie of it as being vsed in the Catholike Church euer since the Apostles time till that of late some particular Churches had vnaduisedly reiected it Then hee declared the lawfull vse of it agreeable to his Maiesties former speech affirming it to bee a meere calumniation and a very vntrue suggestion if any had informed his Highnesse that the Church of England did holde or teach that without Confirmation Baptisme was vnperfect or that it did adde any thing to the vertue and strength thereof And this hee made manifest by the Rubrikes in the Communion booke set before Confirmation which were there read My Lord of London succeeded saying that the authoritie of Confirmation did not depend onely vpon the Antiquitie and practise of the Primitiue Church which out of Cyprian Ep. 73. and Hierom. aduersus Luciferian hee
to the Statute I. Elizab. to speake so freely against the Leiturgie Discipline established Lastly forasmuch as that hee perceiued they tooke a course tending to the vtter ouerthrowe of the orders of the Church thus long continued hee desired to knowe the ende which they aimed at alledging a place out of M. Cartwright affirming that we ought rather to conforme our selues in orders and Ceremonies to the fashion of the Turkes then to the Papists which Position hee doubted they approued because contrary to the orders of the Vniuersities they appeared before his Maiestie in Turky gownes not in their Scholasticall habites sorting to their degrees His Maiestie obseruing my Lord of London to speake in some passion saide that there was in it something which hee might excuse something that hee did mislike excuse his passion hee might thinking he had iust cause to bee so moued both in respect that they did thus traduce the present well setled Church gouernement and also did proceede in so indirect a course contrary to their owne pretence and the intent of that meeting also yet hee misliked his sudden interruption of D. Reyn. whome he should haue suffered to haue taken his course and libertie concluding that there is no order nor can be any effectuall issue of disputation if each partie might not bee suffered without chopping to speake at large what hee would And therefore willed that either the Doctors should proceed or that the Bishoppe would frame his aunswere to these motions alreadie made although saith his Maiestie some of them are verie needlesse It was thought fitter to aunswere least the number of obiections encreasing the aunsweres would proue confused Vpon the first motion Concerning falling from Grace The Bishop of London tooke occasion to signifie to his Maiestie how very many in these dayes neglecting holinesse of life presumed too much of persisting in Grace laying all their Religion vpon Predestination If I shall bee saued I shall be saued which hee termed a desperate doctrine shewing it to bee contrarie to good Diuinitie and the true doctrine of Predestination whereein we should reason rather ascendendo then descendendo thus I liue in obedience to God in loue with my neighbour I follow my vocation c therefore I trust that God hath elected me predestinated mee to Saluation not thus which is the vsuall course of argument God hath Predestinated and chosen mee to life therefore though I sin neuer so grieuously yet I shall not be damned for whome he once loueth he loueth to the ende VVhereupon hee shewed his Maiestie out of the next article what was the doctrine of the Church of England touching Predestination in the verie last Paragraph scilicet We must receiue Gods promises in such wise as they be generally set forth to vs in holy scripture and in our doings that will of God is to be followed which wee haue expressely declared vnto vs in the word of God which parte of the said Article his Maiestie verie well approued and after hee had after his maner very singularly discoursed vpon that place of Paul worke out your saluation with feare and trembling he left it to bee considered whether any thing were meete to bee added for the clearing of the Doctor his doubt by putting in the worde often or the like as thus We may often depart from Grace but in the meane time wished that the doctrine of Predestination might bee verie tenderly handled and with great discretion least on the one side Gods omnipotency might be called in question by impeaching the doctrine of his eternall predestination or on the other a desperate presumption might be arreared by inferring the necessary certaintie of standing and persisting in grace To the second it was aunswered that it was a vaine obiection because by the doctrine and practise of the Church of England none but a licensed minister might preach nor either publikely or priuately administer the Eucharist or the Lords Supper And as for priuate Baptisme his Maiestie answered that hee had taken order for that with the Bishops already In the third point which was about Confirmation was obserued either a curiosity or malice because the Article which was there presently read in those wordes These fiue commonly called Sacraments that is to say Confirmation Pennance Orders c. are not to be accounted for Sacraments of the Gospell being such as haue growne partly of the corrupt following the Apostles c. insinuateth that the making of Confirmation to be a Sacrament is a corrupt imitation but the Communion Booke aiming at the right vse and proper sourse thereof makes it to bee according to the Apostles example which his Maiestie obseruing and reading both the places concluded the obiection to be a meere Cauil And this was for the pretended contradiction Now for the ground thereof the Bishoppe of London added that it was not so much founded vpon the places in the Acts of the Apostles which some of the Fathers had often shewed but vpon Heb 6. 2. where it is made as the first day hee had saide a parte of the Apostles Catechisme which was the opinion besides the iudgement of the holy Fathers of M. Caluin and D. Fulke the one vpon Heb. 6. 2. as vpon Saturday he had declared the other vpon Act. 8. verse 27. where with saint Augustine he saith that we do not in any wise mislike that auncient Ceremonie of imposition of hands for strengthening and confirming such as had beene baptized but vse it our selues beeing nothing else but as S. Austen affirmeth Prayer ouer a man to bee strengthened and confirmed by the holy Ghost or to receiue increase of the giftes of the holy Ghost as S. Ambrose saith and a little after alludeth vnto Heb. 6. 2. c. Neither neede there any great proofe of this saith my Lord. For Confirmation to be vnlawfull it was not their opinion vvho obiected this as hee supposed this was it that vexed them that they had not the vse thereof in their owne handes euery Pastor in his Parish to confirme for then it would bee accounted an Apostolicall institution and willed D. Reyn. to speake herein what he thought who seemed to yeeld thereunto replying that some Diocesse of a Bishoppe hauing therein 600. parish Churches which number caused the Bishop of London to thinke himselfe personally touched because in his Diocesse there are 609. or thereabouts it was a thing verie inconuenient to commit Confirmation vnto the Bishop alone supposing it impossible that he could take due examination of them all which came to be confirmed To the fact my Lord of London aunswered for his Maiesties information that the Bishops in their Visitations giue out notice to them who are desirous either to be themselues or to haue their children confirmed of the place where they will bee and appoint either their Chapleines or some other Ministers to examine them which are to bee cōfirmed and lightly confirme none but either by the testimonie or report of the
THE SVMME AND SVBSTANCE OF THE CONference which it pleased his Excellent Maiestie to haue with the Lords Bishops and other of his Clergie at vvhich the most of the Lordes of the Councell were present in his Maiesties Priuy-Chamber at Hampton Court Ianuary 14. 1603. Contracted by VVILLIAM BARLOVV Doctor of Diuinity and Deane of Chester Whereunto are added some Copies scattered abroad vnsauory and vntrue LONDON Printed by Iohn Windet for Mathew Law and are to be sold at his shop in Paules Churchyeard neare S. Austens Gate 1604 To the Reader THis Copy of the Conferēce in Ianuary last hath beene long expected and long since it was finished impeachments of the diuulging were many too main aboue the rest one his vntimely death who first imposed it vpon me with whome is buried the famousest glory of our English Church and the most kind incouragement to paines and study A man happie in his life death loued of the best while he liued hearde of God for his decease most earnestly desiring not many dayes before hee was stroken that he might not yet liue to see this Parliament as neare as it vvas The other an expectation of this late Comitiall Conference much threatned before and triumphed in by many as if that Regall and most honourable preceding shoulde thereby haue receiued his Counter-blast for being too forward But his Maiesties Constancy hauing by the last added comfort and strength to this former which now at length comes abroad therein good Reader thou mayest both see those huge pretended Scandales for which our flourishing Church hath beene so long disturbed obiected and remoued withall behold the expresse and viue image of a most learned and iudicious King whose manifolde giftes of Grace and Nature my skant measure of gift is not able to delineate nor am I willing to enumerate because I haue euer accounted the personall commendations of Liuing Princes in men of our sort a Verball Symony Such Flies there are too many which puffe the skinne but taint the flesh His Maiesties humble deportment in those sublimities will be the eternizing of his memory the rather because 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 to digest so great Felicity without surfet of surquedry is a vertue rare in great personages that which the K. of Heauē feared euen the King of his own choice would want The more eminent he is in all princely qualities the happier shall we be our duty as we are Christians is Prayer for him as wee are Subiectes Obedience to him as we are men acknowledgement of our setled state in him Our vnthankfulnes may remoue him as it did the mirrour of Princes our late famous Elizabeth Shee rests with God the Phaenix of her ashes raignes ouer vs and long may he so doe to Gods glory and the Churches good which his excellent knowledge be wtifieth and good gouernement adioyned will beatifie it An hope of this last we conceiue by his written 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 a Specimen of the other in this Interlocutory Conference whereof take this which is printed but as an Extract wherein is the Substance of the whole intercourse of speeches there occasioned would cause prolixity without profit what euery man said point deuise I neither could nor cared to obserue the vigour of euery obiection with the summe of each answer I gesse I misse not For the first day I had no helpe beyond mine owne yet some of good place and vnderstanding haue seene it and not controled it except for the breuity for the two last out of diuers copies I haue selected and ordered what you here see in them all next vnto God the Kinges Maiestie alone must haue the glory Yet to say that the present state of our Church is very much obliged to the Reuerend Fathers my Lordes of London and Winton their paines dexterity in this busines were neither detraction from other nor flattery of them His Highnes purposed to compose all quarrels of this kind hereby and supposing he had setled all matters of the Church it pleased him so to signifie by Proclamation after it was done but there is a triple generation in the worlde of whome the wiseman speaketh marry I say nothing for euen priuate speeches cannot now passe without the smeare of a Blacke Cole In one ranke whereof you may place our Hercules Limbo mastix whome it might haue pleased without his Gnathonical appeale to haue rested his Maiesties determinatiō being a Synopticall Theolog 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and angry that he was not so 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 haue learned the difference Diuinitie betweene Viam Regis viam gregis Many copies of diuerse sorts haue been scattered and sent abroad some partiall some vntrue some slanderous what is here set downe for the truth thereof shall be iustified the onelie wrong therein is to his excellent Maiestie a syllable of whose admirable speeches it was pitty to loose his wordes as they were vttered by him being as Salomon speaketh Like Apples of gold vvith pictures of siluer and therefore I request thee good Reader when thou commest to any of his Highnes speeches to turne Martial his Apostrophe vpon me Tu malé iam recitas incipit esse tuus and I will take it kindly If thou bee honest and courteous thou wilt rest satisfied and that is my content to lay a pillow for a dog sortes neither with my leysure nor purpose Farevvell Thine in Christ Iesu W. Barlow THE FIRST DAYES Conference THe day appointed was as by his Maiesties Proclamation we all know Thursday the 12. of Ianuary on which there met at Hampton Court by 9. of the Clocke all the Bishops and Deanes summoned by letters namely the Archbishop of Canterbury the Bishops of London Durham Winchester Worcester S. Dauids Chichester Carlell and Peterborow the Deanes of the Chappell christ-Christ-Church Worcester Westminster Paules Chester Windsor with Doctor Field and Doctor King Archdeacon of Nottingham who though the night before they heard a rumor that it was deferred till the 14. day yet according to the first summons thought it their dutie to offer themselues to the Kinges presence which they did at which time it pleased his Highnes to signifie vnto the Bishops that the day hauing preuented or deceiued him he would haue them returne on Saturday next following On vvhich day all the Deanes and Doctors attending my Lordes the Bishops into the Presence-Chamber there wee found fitting vpon a forme D. Reynoldes D. Sparkes M. Knewstubs and M. Chaderton Agentes for the Millene Plaintiffes The Bishoppes entring the Priuy-Chamber stayed there till commaundement came from his Maiestie that none of any sort should bee present but onely the Lordes of the Priuie-Councell and the Bishoppes vvith fiue Deanes viz. of the Chappell Westminster Powles Westchester Salisburie who beeing called in the doore was close shut by my Lord Chamberlaine After a while his excellent Maiestie came in and hauing passed a fewe pleasant gratulatiōs with some of
shewed but that it was an Institution Apostolicall and one of the particular pointes of the Apostles Catechisme set downe and named in expresse wordes Hebr. 6. 2. and so did M. Caluin expound that very place who wished earnestly the restitution thereof in those reformed Churches where it had beene abolished Vpon which place the Bishop of Carlell also insisted and vrged it both grauely and learnedly His Maiestie called for the Bible read the place of the Hebrewes and approued the exposition Something also the Bishop of Durham noted out of the Gospell of S. Mathew for the imposition of handes vppon children The conclusion was for the fuller explanation that wee make it not a Sacrament or a corroboration to a former Sacrament that it should bee considered of by their Lordshippes whether it might not without alteration whereof his Maiestie was still very wary bee intituled an Examination with a Confirmation Next in order was the point of Absolution which the Lord Archbishop cleared from all abuse or superstition as it is vsed in our Church of England reading vnto his Maiestie both the Confession in the beginning of the Communion book and the Absolution following it wherein saith he the Minister doth nothing else but pronounce an Absolution in generall His Highnesse perused them both in the booke it selfe liking and approuing them finding it to be very true which my Lord Archbishop said but the Bishop of London stepping forward added it becōmeth vs to deale plainely with your Maiestie there is also in the Communion booke another more particular and personall forme of Absolution prescribed to be vsed in the order for the Visitation of the sicke this the King required to see and whilest Maister Deane of the Chappell was turning to it the sayd Bishop aledged that not onely the confessions of Augustia Boheme Saxon which he there cited doe retaine and allow it but that Maister Caluin did also approue such a generall kinde of Confession and Absolution as the Church of England vseth and withall did very well like of those which are priuate for so hee termes them The sayd particular Absolution in the Common prayer booke beeing read his Maiestie exceedingly well approued it adding that it was Apostolicall and a very godly ordinance in that it was giuen in the name of Christ to one that desired it and vpon the clearing of his conscience The conclusion was that it should be consulted of by the Bishops whether vnto the Rubrike of the generall Absolution these wordes Remission of sinnes might not be added for explanation sake In the third place the Lord Archbishop proceeded to speake of Priuate Baptisme shewing his Maiestie that the administration of Baptisme by women and Lay-persons was not allowed in the practise of the Church but enquired of by Bishoppes in their Visitations and censured neither doe the wordes in the booke inferre any such meaning whereunto the King excepted vrging and pressing the wordes of the Booke that they could not but intend a permission and suffering of women and priuate persons to baptize Here the Bishoppe of Worcester said that indeed the wordes were doubtfull and might bee pressed to that meaning but yet it seemed by the contrarie practise of our Church censuring women in this case that the compilers of the Booke did not so intend them and yet propounded them ambiguously because otherwise perhaps the Booke would not haue then passed in the Parliament and for this coniecture as I remember he cited the testimony of my Lord Archbishoppe of Yorke whereunto the Bishop of London replyed that those learned and reuerend men who framed the Booke of Common Prayer entended not by ambiguous termes to deceiue any but did indeede by those wordes entend a permission of priuate persons to baptize in case of necessitie whereof their letters were witnesses some partes whereof hee then read and withall declared that the same was agreeable to the practise of the auncient Church vrging to that purpose both Actes 2. where 3000. were baptized in one day which for the Apostles alone to doe was impossible at least improbable and besides the Apostles there were then no Bishoppes or Priestes And also thee authoritie of Tertullian and Saint Ambrose in the fourth to the Ephesians plaine in that point laying also open the absurdities and impieties of their opinion who thinke there is no necessitie of Baptisme which word Necessitie he so pressed not as if God without Baptisme could not saue the child but the case put that the state of the Infant dying vnbaptized being vncertaine and to God only known but if it dye baptized there is an euident assurance that it is saued who is hee that hauing any Religion in him would not speedily by any meanes procure his Child to be baptized and rather ground his action vpon Christs promise then his omission thereof vppon Gods secret iudgement His Maiestie replied first to that place of the Actes that it was an Acte extraordinary neither is it sound reasoning from thinges done before a Church bee setled and grounded vnto those which are to be performed in a Church stablished and flourishing That hee also maintained the necessitie of Baptisme and alwayes thought that the place of Saint Iohn Nisi quis renatus fuerit ex aqua c. was ment of the Sacrament of Baptisme and that hee had so defenced it against some Ministers in Scotland and it may seeme strange to you my Lords saith his Maiestie that I who now think you in England giue too much to Baptism did 14. moneths ago in Scotland argue with my Diuines there for ascribing too litle to that holy Sacrament In somuch that a pert Minister asked me if I thought Baptism so necessary that if it were omitted the child should be damned I answered him no but if you being called to baptize the child though priuately should refuse to come I think you shall be damned But this necessitie of Baptisme his Maiestie so expounded that it was necessarie to be had where it might be lawfully had id est ministred by lawfull Ministers by whom alone by no priuate person hee thought it might not in any case be administred and yet vtterly disliked all rebaptization although either women or Laikes had baptized Heere the Bishop of VVinchester spake very learnedly and earnestly in that point affirming that the denying of priuate persons in cases of necessitie to baptize were to crosse all antiquitie seeing that it had bene the ancient and common practize of the Church When Ministers at such times could not be got and that it was also a rule agreed vpon among Diuines that the Minister is not of the Essence of the Sacrament His Maiestie answered though hee be not of the Essence of the Sacrament yet is he of the Essence of the right and lawfull ministrie of the Sacrament taking for his ground the commission of Christ to his Disciples Mat. 28. 20. Go preach and baptize The issue was a consultation whether into the
Parsons or Curates where the children are bred and brought vp To the opinion he replied that none of all the Fathers euer admitted any to cōfirme but Bishops alone yea euen Saint Ierome himselfe though otherwise no friend to Bishops by reason of a quarrell betweene the Bishoppe of Ierusalem and him yet confesseth that the execution thereof vvas restrained to Bishops onely ad honorem potius saaerdotii quâm ad legis necessitatem VVhereof namely of this prerogatiue of Bishoppes he giueth this reason Ecclesiae salus in summi sacerdotis dignitate pendet cui si non exors quaedam ab omnibus eminens detur potestas tot in Ecclesiis efficerentur schismata quot sacerdotes My Lord Bishop of Winchester challenged Doctor Reynolds willing him of his learning to shewe where euer hee had read that confirmation was at all vsed in ancient times by any other but Bishoppes and added with all that it was vsed partly to examine children and after examination by imposition of handes which was a ceremonie of blessing among the Iewes to blesse them pray ouer them and partly to try whether they had beene baptized in the right forme or no. For in former ages Baptisme was administred in diuerse sortes some gaue it in nomine patris filii c. others in nomine patris maioris et filii minoris as the Arrians did some in nomine patris per filium in spiritu sancto others not in the name of the Trinitie but in the death of Christ c. VVhereuppon Catholike Bishoppes were constrained to examine them who were baptized in remotis farre from them hovve they were taught to beleeue concerning baptisme if it were right to confirme them if amisse to instruct them His Maiestie concluded this pointe first by taxing Saint Ierome for his assertion that a Bishop was not diuinae ordinationis the Bishop of London thereupon inserting that vnlesse hee could proue his ordination lawfull out of the Scriptures hee would not be a Bishop 4. houres which opinion his Maiestie much distasted approuing their calling vse in the Church and closed it vppe with this short Aphotisme No Bishop no King Secondly for Confirmation his Highnesse thought that it sorted neither with the authoritie nor decencie of the same that euerie ordinarie Pastor should doe it and therefore sayd that for his part hee meant not to take that from the Bishops which they had so long retained and enioyed seeing as it pleased him to adde as great reason that none should confirme without the Bishops licēce as none shold preach with out his licence and so referring as the day before the word Examination to be added to the Rubrike in the title of Confirmation in the Communion Booke if it were thought good so to doe hee willed D. Reyn. to proceed VVho after that he had deprecated the imputation of Schisme with a protestation that he meant not to gall anie man goeth on to the 37. Article wherein hee sayd these wordes The Bishop of Rome hath no authoritie in this land not to be sufficient vnlesse it were added nor ought to haue whereat his Maiestie heartily laughed and so did the Lordes the King adding an aunswere which the Rhetoricions call 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 what speake you of the Popes authoritie here habemus iure quod habemus and therefore in as much as it is sayd he hath not it is plaine inough that he ought not to haue This and some other motions seeming both to the King and Lords very idle and friuolous occasion was taken in some by talke to remember a certaine description which M. Butler of Cambridge made of a Puritane viz. A Puritane is a Protestant frayed out of his wits But my Lord of London there seriously put his Maiestie in minde of the speeches which the French Embossador Mosr Rogne gaue out concerning our Church of Englād both at Canterbury after his arriuall after at the Court vpon the view of our solemne seruice and ceremonies namely that if the reformed Churches in Fraunce had kept the same orders among them which we haue hee was assured that there would haue bene many thousands of Protestants more there then now there are and yet our men stumble and straine at these petty quillets thereby to disturbe and disgrace the whole Church After this the D. moued that this proposition the intention of the Minister is not of the essence of the Sacrament might bee added vnto the booke of Articles the rather because that some in England had preached it to be essentiall And here againe hee remembred the 9. Orthodoxall assertions concluded at Lambeth His Maiestie vtterly disliked that first part of the motion for two reasons First thinking it vnfit to thrust into the booke euerie position negatiue which would bothe make the booke swell into a volume as bigge as the Bible and also confound the Reader bringing for example the course of one M. Craig in the like case in Scotland who with his Irenounce and abhorre his detestations and abrenunciatiōs he did so amase the simple people that they not able to conceiue all those thinges vtterly gaue ouer all falling backe to Poperie or remaining still in their former ignorance Yea if I sayde his Maiestie shoulde haue beene bound to his forme the confession of my faith must haue bene in my table booke not in my head But because you speake of Intention sayth his Highnesse I vvill apply it thus If you come hither with a good intention to bee informed and satisfied where you shall find iust cause the whole worke will sorte to the better effect but if your Intention bee to goe as you came whatsoeuer shall bee sayde it will proue that the Intention is verie materiall and essentiall to the ende of this present action To the other parte for the nine Assertions his Maiestie could not suddenly aunswere because hee vnderstood not what the Doctor meant by those assertions or propositions at Lambeth but when it was enformed his Maiestie that by reason of some controuersies arising in Cambridge about certain pointes of Diuinitie my Lordes Grace assembled some Diuines of speciall note to set downe their opinions vvhich they drevve into nine assertions and so sent them to the Vniuersitie for the appeafing of those quarrels then his Maiestie aunswered first that when such questions arise among Schollers the quietest proceeding were to determine them in the Vniuersities and not to stuffe the booke with all conclusions Theologicall Secondly the better course would be to punish the broachers of false doctrine as occasion should be offered for were the Articles neuer so manie and sound vvho can preuent the contrary opinions of men till they be heard Vpon this the Deane of Powles kneeling dovvne humbly desired leaue to speake signifying vnto his Maiestie that this matter somewhat more nearly concerned him by reason of controuersie betweene him and some other in Cambridge vpon a proposition which he had deliuered there Namely that
whosoeuer though before iustified did commit any grieuous sin as adultery murther treason or the like did become ipso facto subiect to Gods wrath and guilty of damnation or were in state of damnation quoad praesentem statum vntill they did repent adding hereunto that those which were called and iustified according to the purpose of Gods election hovvsoeuer they might and did sometime fall into grieuous sins and thereby into the present state of wrath and damnation yet did neuer fall either totally from all the graces of God to be vtterly destitute of all the partes and seede thereof nor finally from iustification but were in time renued by Gods spirit vnto a liuely faith and repentance and so iustified from those sinnes and the wrath curse and guilt annexed thereunto whereinto they were fallen and wherein they lay so long as they were without true repentance for the same Against which doctrine hee saide that some had opposed teaching that all such persons as were once truely instified though after they fel into neuer so grieuous sinnes yet remained still iust or in the state of iustification before they actually repented of those sinnes yea and though they neuer repented of them through forgetfulnesse or sudden death yet they should bee iustified and saued without repentance In vtter dislike of this Doctrine his Maiestie entred into a longer speech of predestination and reprobation then before and of the necessary conioyning repentance and holinesse of life with true faith concluding that it was hypocrisie and not true iustifying fayth which was seuered from them for although predestination and election dependeth not vpon any qualities actiōs or works of man which be mutable but vpon God his eternall and immutable decree and purpose yet such is the necessitie of repentance after knowne sinnes committed as that without it there could not be either reconciliation with God or remission of those sinnes Next to this Doctor Reynalds complained that the Catechisme in the Common prayer booke was too briefe for which one by Maister Nowell late Deane of Paules was added and that too long for young nouices to learne by heart requested therefore that one vniforme Catechisme might bee made which and none other might be generally receiued it was asked of him whether if to the short Catechisme in the Communion Booke something were added for the doctrine of the Sacraments it would not serue His Maiestie thought the Doctors request very reasonable but yet so that hee would haue a Catechisme in the fewest and plainest affirmatiue termes that may bee taxing withall the number of ignorant Catechismes set out in Scotland by euerie one that was the Sonne of a Good man insomuch as that which was Catechisme doctrine in one congregation was in another scarsely accepted as sound and Orthodox wished therefore one to bee made and agreed vppon adding this excellent gnomicall and Canon-like Conclusion that in the reforming of a Church he wold haue two rules obserued first that old curious deepe and intricate questions might be auoided in the fundamentall instruction of a people Secondly that there should not be any such departure from the Papistes in all thinges as that because we in some pointes agree with them therefore wee should bee accounted to bee in errour To the former D. Reynoldes added the prophanation of the Sabboth day and contempt of his Maiesties Proclamation made for the reforming of that abuse of which hee earnestly desired a straighter course for reformation thereof and to this he found a general and vnanimous assent After that he moued his Maiestie that there might bee a newe translation of the Bible because those which were allowed in the raignes of Henrie the eight and Edward the sixt were corrupt and not aunswerable to the truth of the Originall For example first Galathians 4. 25. the Greeke worde 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is not well translated as nowe it is Bordreth neither expressing the force of the worde nor the Apostles sense nor the situation of the place Secondly Psalme 105. 28. they were not obedient The Originall beeing They were not disobedient Thirdly Psalme 106. verse 30. Then stood vp Phinees and prayed the Hebrew hath Executed iudgement To which motion there was at the present no gainsaying the obiections beeing triuiall and old and alreadie in print often aunswered onely my Lord of London well added that if euery mans humour should be followed there would be no ende of translating VVhereupon his Highnesse wished that some especiall paines should be taken in that behalfe for one vniforme translation professing that hee could neuer yet see a Bible well translated in English but the worst of all his Maiestie thought the Geneua to bee and this to bee done by the best learned in both the Vniuersities after them to bee reuiewed by the Bishops and the chiefe learned of the Church from them to bee presented to the Priuie-Councell and lastly to bee ratified by his Royall authoritie and so this whole Church to be bound vnto it and none other Marry withall hee gaue this caueat vpon a word cast out by my Lord of London that no marginall notes should be added hauing found in them which are annexed to the Geneua translation which he sawe in a Bible giuen him by an English Lady some notes very partiall vntrue seditious and sauouring too much of daungerous and trayterous conceites As for example Exod. 1. 19. where the marginall note alloweth disobedience to Kings And 2. Chron. 15. 16. the note taxeth Asa for deposing his mother onely and not killing her And so concludeth this point as all the rest with a graue and iudicious aduise First that errours in matters of faith might bee rectified and amended Secondly that matters indifferent might rather be interrupted and a glosse added alleaging from Burtolus de regno that as better a King with some weakenesse then still a chaunge so rather a Church with some faultes then an Innouation And sure ly sayth his Maiestie if these bee the greatest matters you be grieued with I neede not haue beene troubled with such importunities and complaintes as haue beene made vnto me some other more priuate course might haue bene taken for your satisfaction and withall looking vppon the Lords he shooke his head smiling The last point noted by D. Reyn. in this first head for doctrine was that vnlawfull and seditious bookes might bee suppressed at least restrained and imparted to a few for by the libertie of publishing such bookes so commonly many young Schollers and vnsetled mindes in both Vniuersities and through the whole Realme were corrupted and peruerted naming for one instance that Booke intituled De iure Magistratus in Subditos published of late by Ficlerus a Papist and applied against the Queenes Maiestie that last was for the Pope The Bishop of London supposing as it seemed himselfe to bee principally aymed at aunswered first to the generall that there vvas no such licentious divulging of those bookes as he imagined or
at his handes in giuing vs such a King as since Christ his time the like he thought hath not beene whereunto the Lords with one voice did yeeld a verie affectionate acclamation The Ciuilians present confessed that they could not in many houres warning haue so iudiciously plainely and accurately in such a briefe described it After this his Maiesty committed some weightie matters to be consulted of by the Lords and Bishops 1. for Excommunication in causes of lesse moment the name or censure to bee altered 2. for the High Commission the qualitie of the persons to be named and the nature of the causes to be handled therein 3. for recusant Communicants for there are 3. sortes saith his Maiestie of the Papistes some 1. which come to Sermons but not to seruice and prayer 2. some which come to both them but not to the Communion 3. a number which abstaine from all That inquirie might bee made of al those who were of the first second or third ranke concluding therein that the weake were to be informed the wilfull to bee punished Here my Lord Chancelor mentioned the writ de Excōmunicato capiendo which his Hon. saide did most affright the Papists of al other punishmēts because by reasō of that they were many wayes disabled in law therfore he would take order if his M tie so pleased to sēd that writ out against them freely without charge and if they were not executed his Lordship would lay the Undershiriffes in prison and to this the King assented The 4. thing to be consulted of was for the sending and appointing of Preachers into Ireland whereof saieth his Maiestie I am but halfe a King being Lord ouer their bodies but their soules seduced by Popery he much pittied affirming that where there is no true Religion there can be no continued obedience nor for Ireland onely but for some parts of Wales and the Northerne borders so once called though now no borders the men to bee sent not to be factious or scandalous for weeds will be weedes wheresoeuer they be and are good for nothing but to bee piked ouer the wall therefore they should single out men of sinceritie of knowledge of courage The last was for prouision of sufficient maintenance for the Clergy and withall for the planting of a learned and painfull minister in euery parish as time shall serue To euery of those his Maiestie willed that seuerall Cōmissioners of his Councell and bishops should be appointed by the Lords vpon the dissoluing the assembly present And thus hauing conferred of these points with his Bishops and referred othersome of them as you heard to speciall Committies his Maiestie willed that D. Reyn and his associates should bee called in to whom he presently signified what was done and caused the alterations or explications before named to bee read vnto them A little disputing there was about the wordes in mariage With my body I thee worship arguing no other thing to be ment by the word Worship then that which S. Paule willeth 1. Cor. 7. 4. the man thereby acknowledging that hereby he worshippeth his wife in that he appropriateth his body vnto her alone nor any more then that which S. Peter councelleth 1. Peter 3. 7. That the man should giue Honour to his Wife as to the weaker vessell yet for their satisfaction shold be put in With my body I thee worship honor if it were thoght fit so his M tie shut vp all with a most pithy exhortation to both sides for vnity perswading diligēce in each mans place without violence on the one party or disobedience on the other and willed them to deale with their friendes abroad to that purpose for his Maiestie feared and had some experience that many of them were ticklish and humorous nor that onely but labourers to peruert others to their fancies hee now saw that the exceptions against the Communion Booke were matters of weakenes therfore if the persons reluctant be discreet they will be wonne betimes by good perswasions if vndiscreete better they were remoued for many by their factious behauiour were driuen to be Papists Now then of their fruites he shall iudge them Obedience and Humilitie being markes of honest and good men Those he expected of them and by their example and perswasion of all their sorte abroade for if hereafter thinges being thus well ordered they should be vnquiet neither his Maiestie nor the state had any cause to thinke well of them To which they all gaue their vnanimous assent taking exception against nothing that was saide or done but promised to performe all dutie to the Bishoppes as their Reuerend fathers and to ioyne with them against the common aduersaries for the quiet of the Church Onely M. Chatterton of Emanuel Colledge kneeling requested that the wearing of the Surplis and the vse of the Crosse in Baptisme might not be vrged vpō some honest godly and painefull ministers in some partes of Lancashire who feared that if they should be forced vnto them many whome they had wonne to the Gospell would slide backe and reuolte vnto Popery againe and particularly instanced the Vicar of Ratesdale hee coulde not haue light vppon a worse for not many years before he was proued before my Lord Archbishop as his Grace there testified and my L. Chancelor by his vnseemely and vnreuerent vsage of the Eucharist dealing the bread out of a Basket euery man putting in his hand taking out a peece to haue made many loath the holy Communion and wholy refuse to come to Church his Maiesty aunswered that it was not his purpose and hee durst answere for the Bishops that it was not their intent presently and out of hād to inforce those things without fatherly admonitions conferences and perswasions premised but wished that it should be examined if those men by their paines and preaching had conuerted any from Popery and were withall men quiet of disposition honest of life and diligent in their calling if so letters should be written to the Bishoppe of Chester of whome his Maiestie gaue a very good testimony to that purpose if not but that they were of a turbulent and opposite spirite both they and others of that vnquiet humor should presently be enforced to a conformity and so for that point it was concluded that my Lord Archbishop should write to the Bishop of Chester his letters for that matter My Lord of London replyeth that if this were graunted the copy of these letters especially if his Maiestie had writtē as at first it was purposed would flye ouer al England and then other for their confines would make the same request and so no fruite should follow of this Conference but thinges would bee worse then they were before Therefore he humbly desired his Maiesty that a time shoulde bee limited vvithin vvhich compasse they should conforme themselues To vvhich his Maiestie readily assented willed that the Bishoppe of the Diocesse should set them dovvne the time and
in meane while conferre vvith them and if they vvould not yeeld vvhatsoeuer they vvere to remoue them after their time expired No sooner was that motion ended but downe fals M. Knewstubs and hee requestes the like fauour of forbearance for some honest Ministers in Suffolke telling the K. it vvould make much against their Credites in the Country to be now forced to the Surplis and the Crosse in Baptisme My Lordes Grace was aunswering Nay saith his Maiestie let me alone with him Sir saith the King you shew your selfe an vncharitable man wee haue here taken paines and in the end haue concluded of an vnity and vniformitie and you forsooth must preferre the Credites of a few priuate men before the generall peace of the Church this is iust the Scottish argument for when any thing was there concluded which disliked some humors the onely reason why they would not obey was it stoode not with their credits to yeeld hauing so long beene of the cōtrary opinion I vvill none of that saith the King and therefore eyther let them cōform thēselues that shortly or they shall heare of it My Lord Cecill put his Maiestie in mind of a word his Highnes had vsed the day before namely of Ambuling Communions saying that the indecency thereof vvas very offensiue had driuen many from the Church here M. Chatterton vvas told of sitting Communions in Emanuel Colledge vvhich hee saide vvas so by reason of the seates so placed as they be yet that they had some kneeling also Finally they ioyntly promised to bee quiet and obedient now they knew it to be the Kinges mind to haue it so His Maiesties gracious conclusion was so piercing as that it fetched teares from some on both sides My Lord of London ended all in the name of the vvhole company with a Thankesgiuing vnto God for his Maiestie and a prayer for the health and prosperity of his Highnes our gracious Queene the yong Prince and al their Royall Issue His Maiestie departed into the inner Chamber all the Lordes presently went to the Councell Chamber to appoint Commissioners for the seuerall matters before referred FINIS The Preface MAny Copies were sent me wherof some were so shamelesly vntrue and I assure you so obscaene that I think his Maiestie would haue bene as much offended with me for Printing as with the Authors for dispearsing them I haue chosen three of the best and cleanliest which doe here vnder follow I giue no censure neither know I the Dispearsers let the Reader conferre and iudge Rectum est iudex sui obliqui The first Copie Ianuary 15. 1603. SIr I cannot conceale from you the good successe which it hath pleased God to sende vs by the Conference which his Maiestie had with the Bishops at the court There appeared none but the Bishops which were with the King aboue three houres Can. Lon. Wint. fell downe on their knees and desired that all things might remaine least the Papists should thinke we haue bene in an error The King replied that in 42. yeares corruptions might creep in He spake of cōfirmation priuate Baptisme the Crosse dumbe Ministerie non residence the Courtes which he promised to amēd especially he spake bitterly against priuate Baptisme saying hee had as liue an Ape as a woman should Baptise his childe and against Courtes which hee saide he would put downe The Lo. chiefe Iustice and the Lo. Cecil against Excommunications by Lay-men Maister Deane of the Chappell speaking something to the King in his eare the Bishop of London insolently said vnto him Doctor Mountague speake out that we may heare you and seeke not to crosse vs. At their departure they said that if the King should vse the Ministers in such sort as they were vsed they would be too insolent The King said they were his subiectes and if hee would not heare them then they had iust cause to complaine The Bishops brought foorth many Popish arguments which the King very ernestly answered and learnedly more then tenne times calling them Popish arguments and saide by those reasons they might prooue Popery The Bishop of Winchester saide that if he tooke away priuate Baptisme he ouerthrew all antiquitie The Bishop of Peterbrough brought a foolish argument with much disgrace to himselfe The Bishops haue taken Wednesday to consider of the Kings speech The Ministers came to the King on Munday at nine of the clocke Honest men about the Court are comforted Conformitans hang down their heads and the Bishops men curse the Puritanes sic explicit 1. dies Another Copie I Haue sent you the declaration of the Conference which was in this manner The firste day the Bishoppes mette before his Maiestie Bishops of Canterburie London and Winchester making earnest sute that all things might stand as they did least the Papists should take offence who might say we would perswade them to come to a Church hauing errors in it and the Puritans will say they haue bin persecuted long The King answered that the best state would gather corruptions and that it was no argument for them to say they would not be cured of the pox because they had had it 30. yeares he concluded against absolution confirmation priuate Baptisme the dumbe and scandulous Ministers pluralities the Courtes and the authoritie of Bishoppes by the high Commissisners c. The second day the Ministers were conuented before the King who answered fearefully modestly the Bishop of Lon. behaued himselfe insolently saying these are Cartwrightes Schollers Scismatikes breakers of your Maiesties lawes you may know thē by their Turkie gownes and silke Turky Grogorum The third day they met all where the King spake much to vnitie that they might ioyne against the Papists All the three dayes the King behaued himselfe admirable to the beholders graunting to the Ministers their earnest request that the Ceremonies of the Crosse in Baptisme and the Surplises reuerent for antiquitie should not be vrged vpon the consciences of the Ministers so that they were peaceable mē and that they should haue time to consider of them many hundreds being resolued rather to haue lost their places then to haue yeelded to those superstitions against which they had Preached The last day the Bishop of Cant. was intreated to be a meanes that the ceremonies might not be pressed but he answered they had bene vrged as necessary and should be so still But it pleased God to moue his Maiestie to a more peaceable course the Bishop of Peter-borow came in with his argument about Baptisme which the King made voide to his great reproach The King saide many times that the Bishoppes reasons were popish and that they might establish Poperie by them it is thought that the King will be shortly in Huntingtonshire The Lord Chancellor the Lord Cecil the Lord chiefe Iustice and the Atturnie Generall must set downe some course for the high Commission and the Spirituall Courts A third Copie Some of the speeches that are bruited vpon Maister Doctor Reynoldes returne to Oxen. concerning the late Conference before his Maiestie 1 THat the Kinges Maiestie did gratifie Maister Doctor Reynoldes in euery thing which he proposed or that Doctor Reynoldes obtained and preuailed in euerie thing he did desire 2 That if anie man reporte the contrarie hee doth lye or that they should giue him the lye from Maister Doctor Reynoldes 3 That these thinges now obtained by the reformers were but the beginning of reformation the greater matters were yet to come 4 That my Lord of Winton stoode mute and said little or nothing 5 That my Lord of London called Doctor Reynoldes Schismatick indeede he thankes him for it but otherwise said little to purpose 6 That the Kings Maiestie vsed the Bishops with very hard words but imbraced maister Doctor Reynolds and vsed most kind speeches to him 7 That my Lo. of Canterbury or my Lo. of London falling on his knees besought his Maiestie to take their cause into his owne handes and to make some good end of it such as might stand with their credite Archiep. Can tuar 2 Deanes of Ep. Londl Christchur VVinchest VVindsor Archdeac Nottinghā and mine owne Prou. 30 1◠13. 14 Pro. 25. 11 Iohn 1. 5. 1 2 3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 2 1 2 3 4 1 1 2 3 2 3 4 1. Cor. 14. Act. 21. Other Copies haue the Bishop of Winchester