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all_o which_o be_v to_o be_v prefer_v to_o the_o good_a of_o particular_a person_n hence_o we_o infer_v that_o the_o precept_n of_o obedience_n to_o superioure_n which_o prescrybe_v a_o act_n aedificative_a to_o all_o because_o it_o be_v a_o exercise_n of_o a_o most_o eminent_a and_o necessary_a virtue_n be_v more_o obligatorie_n and_o of_o great_a moment_n than_o the_o precept_n of_o eschew_v scandal_n causeleslie_o take_v by_o some_o particular_a person_n 50._o secondlie_o that_o the_o precept_n of_o obedience_n to_o our_o superioure_n be_v of_o great_a moment_n and_o consequent_o more_o obligatorie_n than_o the_o precept_n of_o eschew_v scandal_n be_v evident_a by_o these_o reason_n which_o be_v bring_v by_o our_o divyne_n to_o show_v wherefore_a the_o five_o commandment_n have_v the_o first_o place_n in_o the_o second_o table_n to_o wit_n first_o because_o it_o come_v near_a to_o the_o nature_n of_o religion_n or_o piety_n command_v in_o the_o first_o table_n whence_o as_o your_o own_o amesius_n note_v in_o his_o medulla_n lib._n 2._o cap._n 17._o §_o 13._o the_o honour_v and_o obey_v of_o parent_n be_v call_v by_o profane_a author_n religion_n and_o piety_n secondlie_o this_o precept_n be_v the_o ground_n and_o sinewe_v say_v pareus_n in_o his_o catecheticke_a explication_n of_o the_o five_o precept_n of_o the_o obedience_n which_o be_v to_o be_v give_v to_o all_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o precept_n of_o the_o second_o table_n two_o reason_n be_v common_o bring_v of_o this_o one_o be_v that_o all_o society_n oeconomic_a civil_a and_o ecclesiastical_a do_v consist_v and_o be_v conserve_v by_o the_o submission_n or_o subjection_n of_o inferioure_n to_o superioure_n which_o be_v remove_v confusion_n necessary_o follow_v the_o other_o be_v that_o the_o obedience_n of_o this_o precept_n make_v way_n to_o the_o obedience_n of_o all_o the_o rest_n for_o our_o superioure_n be_v set_v over_o we_o to_o the_o end_n that_o they_o may_v make_v we_o to_o do_v our_o duty_n to_o all_o other_o and_o consequent_o our_o obedience_n to_o they_o be_v a_o mean_v institute_v by_o god_n to_o procure_v our_o obedience_n to_o all_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o precept_n of_o the_o second_o table_n now_o will_v you_o know_v what_o follow_v out_o of_o this_o let_v your_o own_o amesius_n who_o word_n be_v more_o gracious_a unto_o you_o than_o we_o tell_v you_o it_o see_v say_v he_o cap._n citato_fw-la §_o 6_o humane_a society_n have_v the_o place_n of_o a_o foundation_n or_o ground_n in_o respect_n of_o other_o duty_n of_o justice_n and_o charity_n which_o be_v command_v in_o the_o second_o table_n of_o the_o law_n therefore_o these_o crime_n which_o direct_o procure_v the_o perturbation_n confusion_n and_o eversion_n of_o it_o be_v more_o grievous_a than_o the_o violation_n of_o the_o singular_a precept_n now_o we_o subsume_v the_o deny_v of_o obedience_n to_o superioure_n enjoin_v such_o thing_n as_o in_o themselves_o be_v lawful_a and_o exdient_a direct_o procure_v the_o perturbation_n and_o confusion_n of_o humane_a society_n and_o therefore_o it_o be_v a_o crime_n great_a than_o the_o violation_n of_o other_o particular_a precept_n of_o the_o second_o table_n for_o this_o cause_n dionysius_n bishop_n of_o alexandria_n in_o his_o epistle_n ad_fw-la novatum_fw-la cite_v before_o declare_v how_o much_o the_o unity_n of_o the_o church_n which_o be_v most_o frequent_o mar_v by_o the_o disobedience_n of_o inferioure_n to_o their_o superioure_n ought_v to_o be_v regard_v say_v that_o martyrdom_n suffer_v for_o eschew_v of_o schism_n be_v more_o glorious_a than_o martyrdom_n suffer_v for_o eschew_v idolatry_n 51._o thirdlie_o these_o office_n or_o duty_n which_o we_o owe_v to_o other_o by_o way_n of_o justice_n be_v more_o strict_o obligatorie_n than_o these_o which_o we_o owe_v to_o they_o only_o by_o way_n of_o charity_n and_o consequent_o these_o precept_n which_o prescrybe_n duty_n of_o justice_n be_v of_o great_a obligation_n than_o these_o which_o prescrybe_n duty_n of_o charity_n only_o but_o we_o owe_v the_o duty_n of_o obedience_n to_o our_o superior_n by_o way_n of_o justice_n and_o therefore_o it_o be_v more_o obligatorie_n than_o the_o duty_n of_o eschew_v scandal_n causleslie_o take_v which_o be_v a_o duty_n only_o of_o charity_n the_o major_n or_o first_o proposition_n of_o this_o argument_n be_v clear_a of_o itself_o as_o be_v a_o maxim_n not_o only_o receive_v by_o the_o scholasticke_n and_o popish_a casuist_n but_o also_o by_o our_o divyne_n see_v your_o own_o amesius_n in_o his_o medulla_n lib._n 2._o cap._n 16._o §_o 58.59.60.61.62.63_o where_o he_o not_o only_o propon_v this_o maxim_n but_o also_o prove_v it_o by_o two_o most_o evident_a example_n the_o minor_a be_v likewise_o clear_a for_o first_o the_o duty_n of_o obedience_n which_o we_o owe_v to_o the_o public_a law_n of_o the_o church_n and_o kingdom_n belong_v to_o that_o general_n justice_n which_o be_v call_v justitia_fw-la legalis_fw-la for_o the_o legal_a justice_n as_o it_o be_v in_o inferior_n or_o subject_n it_o be_v a_o virtue_n incline_v they_o to_o the_o obedience_n of_o all_o law_n make_v for_o the_o benefit_n of_o the_o commonwealth_n as_o aristotle_n declare_v in_o his_o 5_o book_n of_o the_o ethic_n cap._n 1._o secondlie_o debitum_fw-la obedientiae_fw-la the_o debt_n of_o obedience_n which_o we_o owe_v to_o our_o superioure_n be_v not_o only_o debitum_fw-la morale_fw-la a_o debt_n or_o duty_n unto_o which_o we_o be_v tie_v by_o moral_a honesty_n and_o god_n commandment_n but_o also_o debitum_fw-la legale_fw-la or_o debitum_fw-la justitiae_fw-la quod_fw-la viz._n fundatur_fw-la in_o proprio_fw-la jure_fw-la alterius_fw-la a_o debt_n ground_v upon_o the_o true_a and_o proper_a right_n which_o our_o superioure_n have_v to_o exact_v this_o duty_n of_o we_o so_o that_o they_o may_v accuse_v we_o of_o injury_n and_o censure_v we_o if_o we_o perform_v it_o not_o there_o be_v great_a difference_n betwixt_o these_o two_o sort_n of_o debt_n and_o the_o last_o be_v far_o more_o obligatorie_n than_o the_o first_o as_o for_o example_n a_o man_n owe_v money_n to_o the_o poor_a by_o a_o moral_a debt_n but_o to_o his_o creditor_n he_o owe_v they_o by_o a_o legal_a debt_n or_o debt_n of_o justice_n and_o therefore_o he_o be_v more_o strict_o oblige_v to_o pay_v his_o creditor_n than_o to_o give_v alm_n such-lyke_a by_o moral_a honesty_n and_o god_n precept_n also_o a_o man_n owe_v to_o his_o neighbour_n a_o pious_a carefulness_n to_o impede_fw-la sin_n in_o he_o by_o admonition_n instruction_n good_a example_n and_o by_o omission_n even_o of_o thing_n lawful_a when_o he_o forsee_v that_o his_o neighbour_n in_o respect_n of_o his_o weakness_n will_v be_v scandalize_v by_o they_o but_o his_o neighbour_n have_v not_o such_o a_o right_a to_o exact_v these_o thing_n of_o he_o neither_o can_v he_o have_v action_n against_o he_o for_o not_o perform_v of_o they_o as_o our_o lawful_a superioure_n have_v for_o our_o due_a obedience_n in_o what_o sense_n the_o administration_n of_o the_o sacrament_n in_o private_a place_n be_v think_v indifferent_a in_o pearth_n assembly_n 52._o in_o our_o reply_n we_o profess_v that_o we_o can_v not_o abstain_v present_o from_o private_a baptism_n and_o private_a communion_n be_v require_v to_o administrate_n these_o sacrament_n to_o such_o person_n as_o can_v not_o come_v or_o be_v bring_v to_o the_o church_n hence_o first_o you_o take_v occasion_n to_o object_n to_o we_o that_o the_o state_n of_o the_o question_n concern_v pearth_n article_n be_v quite_o alter_v in_o respect_n we_o and_o our_o associate_n do_v ever_o before_o allege_v the_o question_n to_o be_v of_o thing_n indifferent_a but_o now_o we_o think_v they_o to_o be_v so_o necessary_a that_o although_o the_o general_n assembly_n of_o the_o church_n shall_v discharge_v they_o we_o behove_v still_o to_o practice_v they_o we_o answer_v first_o that_o the_o assembly_n of_o pearth_n have_v determine_v nothing_o 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