credibility_n to_o arise_v the_o scripture_n do_v with_o competent_a clearness_n furnish_v we_o against_o damnative_a error_n and_o the_o church_n do_v no_o more_o as_o you_o give_v we_o to_o understand_v at_o the_o end_n of_o this_o your_o treatise_n and_o why_o then_o shall_v we_o leave_v the_o scripture_n which_o be_v acknowledge_v infallible_a to_o go_v to_o the_o church_n and_o what_o need_v then_o of_o a_o infallible_a judge_n what_o for_o peace_n and_o unity_n then_o fourthly_a we_o say_v that_o the_o decision_n of_o the_o church_n though_o unprovided_a of_o infallibility_n do_v yet_o oblige_v unto_o peace_n though_o their_o judgement_n can_v engage_v undisputed_a assent_n yet_o their_o power_n they_o have_v from_o christ_n do_v require_v reverence_n and_o undisturbance_n in_o the_o difference_n it_o require_v subscription_n if_o we_o see_v no_o cause_n of_o dissent_v and_o if_o we_o do_v subjection_n to_o the_o censure_n all_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o world_n can_v go_v no_o further_o with_o we_o unless_o we_o may_v be_v hypocrite_n in_o differ_v by_o a_o outward_a act_n from_o our_o inward_a act_n of_o belief_n and_o yet_o wherein_o have_v we_o divide_v out_o accord_v from_o the_o former_a general_n council_n and_o therefore_o why_o be_v we_o charge_v with_o this_o indictment_n as_o if_o we_o be_v opposite_a to_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o true_o catholic_a church_n yet_o if_o we_o do_v differ_v without_o opposition_n we_o keep_v the_o peace_n of_o the_o church_n without_o question_n and_o that_o we_o must_v differ_v until_o we_o see_v god_n speak_v believe_v his_o reason_n that_o say_v omnis_fw-la creata_fw-la veritas_fw-la etc._n etc._n all_o create_v verity_n be_v defectible_a unless_o as_o it_o be_v rectify_v by_o the_o increase_a verity_n wherefore_o the_o assent_n neither_o to_o the_o testimony_n of_o man_n or_o angel_n do_v infallible_o lead_v into_o truth_n save_v only_o so_o far_o as_o they_o see_v the_o testimony_n of_o god_n speak_v in_o they_o so_o then_o the_o assent_n of_o faith_n be_v only_o under_o obedience_n to_o he_o speak_v and_o if_o you_o say_v that_o god_n do_v speak_v in_o general_a council_n as_o he_o do_v speak_v in_o his_o word_n write_v prove_v it_o yea_o how_o then_o will_v you_o avoid_v blasphemy_n for_o do_v god_n speak_v contradiction_n for_o so_o one_o council_n have_v contradict_v another_o and_o to_o use_v your_o own_o argument_n we_o be_v bind_v to_o submit_v our_o judgement_n only_o to_o those_o who_o can_v judge_v of_o the_o inward_a act_n for_o so_o you_o distinguish_v betwixt_o temporal_a judge_n and_o other_o but_o god_n only_o can_v judge_v of_o our_o internal_a act_n therefore_o we_o must_v submit_v our_o assent_n only_o to_o he_o and_o therefore_o to_o other_o no_o further_o than_o they_o speak_v according_a to_o he_o so_o that_o we_o can_v absolute_o adhere_v to_o whatsoever_o be_v say_v in_o council_n which_o have_v err_v jewish_a and_o christian_a too_o now_o than_o you_o may_v think_v i_o speak_v reason_n in_o my_o respect_n to_o general_n council_n without_o your_o unlimited_a subjection_n of_o faith_n and_o therefore_o your_o admiration_n in_o the_o begin_n of_o the_o 5_o the_o page_n of_o this_o paper_n which_o be_v ground_v upon_o your_o interpretation_n of_o thaâ—_n of_o esay_n be_v as_o unnecessary_a and_o that_o absurdity_n which_o you_o will_v infer_v upon_o my_o opinion_n that_o the_o wise_a man_n in_o the_o world_n be_v most_o likely_a to_o err_v this_o way_n by_o which_o he_o may_v in_o his_o interior_a judgement_n go_v quite_o contrary_a to_o all_o christendom_n have_v little_a in_o it_o out_o noise_n for_o first_o you_o suppose_v hereupon_o a_o infallible_a judge_n upon_o earth_n which_o be_v the_o question_n second_o the_o wise_a man_n be_v not_o most_o likely_a to_o err_v if_o it_o be_v lawful_a to_o dissent_v from_o universal_a council_n because_o as_o such_o he_o be_v most_o apt_a to_o discern_v what_o be_v define_v according_a to_o truth_n what_o not_o three_o what_o think_v you_o of_o saint_n athanasius_n who_o differ_v in_o his_o judgement_n and_o profession_n too_o from_o most_o of_o christendom_n then_o about_o the_o divinity_n of_o the_o son_n four_o the_o rule_n of_o scripture_n be_v equal_o infallible_a and_o those_o who_o be_v wise_a if_o they_o prepare_v themselves_o for_o the_o search_n of_o truth_n they_o be_v likely_a not_o to_o err_v for_o if_o they_o go_v by_o the_o rule_n they_o can_v err_v because_o it_o be_v infallible_a but_o those_o who_o go_v by_o the_o church_n may_v err_v because_o for_o aught_o be_v yet_o prove_v it_o be_v not_o infallible_a and_o those_o who_o be_v fool_n may_v by_o scripture_n be_v make_v wise_a unto_o salvation_n and_o to_o this_o purpose_n the_o scripture_n which_o be_v very_o sublime_a and_o heavenly_a in_o the_o matter_n yet_o be_v simple_a and_o plain_a and_o low_a in_o the_o manner_n of_o delivery_n that_o those_o who_o be_v of_o mean_a capacity_n may_v hereby_o he_o sufficient_o direct_v to_o life_n and_o salvation_n therefore_o do_v not_o tell_v i_o but_o prove_v to_o i_o that_o the_o church_n be_v infallible_a and_o that_o you_o be_v the_o only_a church_n or_o else_o you_o do_v nothing_o but_o with_o fool_n who_o you_o find_v or_o make_v to_o go_v your_o way_n in_o your_o next_o line_n you_o do_v discharge_v i_o of_o singularity_n in_o my_o opinion_n for_o it_o appear_v by_o you_o that_o all_o but_o roman_a catholic_n be_v of_o the_o same_o persuasion_n all_o but_o roman_a catholic_n you_o say_v as_o if_o none_o be_v catholic_n but_o either_o of_o your_o nation_n or_o of_o your_o religion_n the_o first_o be_v a_o contradiction_n and_o the_o second_o be_v a_o falsity_n for_o there_o be_v many_o catholic_n which_o be_v not_o of_o your_o religion_n in_o those_o point_n wherein_o we_o differ_v by_o the_o father_n of_o the_o church_n those_o be_v account_v catholic_n which_o withstand_v the_o plea_n of_o faustinus_n the_o pope_n legate_n in_o the_o carthaginian_a council_n when_o he_o falsify_v the_o nicene_n canon_n of_o subjection_n to_o the_o roman_a bishop_n whereof_o no_o such_o copy_n can_v be_v find_v they_o be_v catholic_n who_o determine_v against_o appeal_n to_o rome_n who_o determine_v equal_a privilege_n of_o other_o church_n to_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n they_o be_v catholic_n who_o hold_v not_o transubstantiation_n nor_o purgatory_n nor_o your_o use_n of_o image_n nor_o your_o sacrament_n under_o one_o kind_n nor_o your_o other_o sacrament_n as_o of_o proper_a name_n nor_o indulgency_n and_o they_o be_v catholic_n who_o hold_v that_o which_o you_o do_v not_o hold_v as_o the_o millenarie_a opinion_n and_o infant_n communion_n and_o therefore_o to_o follow_v you_o the_o desperate_a consequence_n which_o you_o charge_v we_o with_o if_o we_o do_v not_o come_v over_o to_o your_o way_n flow_v not_o from_o your_o premise_n unless_o you_o can_v make_v out_o a_o infallible_a assistance_n of_o your_o see_n and_o that_o this_o be_v by_o god_n appoint_v for_o our_o necessary_a passage_n to_o salvation_n and_o the_o way_n promise_v in_o the_o prophet_n esay_n nay_o if_o the_o people_n shall_v be_v leave_v for_o their_o guidance_n to_o the_o unanimous_a consent_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n in_o point_n of_o faith_n here_o will_v be_v a_o desperate_a consequence_n for_o i_o hope_v they_o be_v more_o like_a to_o find_v the_o article_n of_o faith_n in_o the_o leaf_n of_o scripture_n which_o as_o to_o these_o be_v plain_a then_o in_o the_o perusal_n and_o collection_n of_o all_o the_o judgement_n of_o all_o the_o father_n of_o all_o age_n every_o where_o according_a to_o the_o rule_n of_o lyrinensis_n or_o if_o we_o take_v the_o deposition_n of_o the_o father_n in_o those_o property_n which_o he_o describe_v such_o whereby_o we_o be_v to_o be_v rule_v that_o they_o must_v be_v holy_a man_n wise_a man_n they_o must_v hold_v the_o catholic_n faith_n and_o communion_n they_o must_v persist_v in_o their_o doctrine_n they_o must_v persist_v in_o it_o unto_o death_n in_o the_o same_o sense_n as_o in_o the_o 39_o chapter_n against_o heresy_n if_o you_o do_v not_o take_v the_o consent_n of_o the_o church_n according_a to_o these_o circumstance_n you_o differ_v from_o he_o if_o you_o do_v how_o shall_v the_o poor_a people_n through_o all_o those_o labyrinth_n see_v the_o right_a way_n of_o wholesome_a doctrine_n when_o who_o know_v how_o many_o of_o they_o do_v not_o write_v at_o all_o how_o many_o of_o those_o who_o write_v be_v not_o such_o how_o many_o work_n of_o those_o who_o be_v such_o be_v to_o we_o perish_v how_o many_o bastard_n piece_n be_v father_v on_o they_o how_o many_o of_o their_o writing_n corrupt_v how_o many_o or_o how_o few_o have_v touch_v upon_o our_o difference_n have_v not_o occasion_n by_o adversary_n how_o many_o have_v differ_v from_o one_o another_o how_o
namely_o by_o the_o emperor_n without_o any_o contradiction_n of_o council_n do_v the_o nicene_n council_n question_n constantine_n authority_n to_o call_v council_n whether_o it_o be_v divine_a or_o not_o how_o many_o humble_a expression_n and_o action_n of_o respect_n and_o subjection_n do_v come_v from_o the_o council_n and_o the_o father_n which_o be_v not_o indeed_o suitable_a to_o the_o deportment_n of_o that_o pope_n who_o tread_v upon_o the_o neck_n of_o frederick_n the_o emperor_n or_o of_o he_o that_o throw_v the_o duke_n of_o venice_n under_o his_o table_n with_o the_o dog_n the_o competition_n then_o betwixt_o emperor_n and_o pope_n in_o point_n of_o ecclesiastic_a authority_n as_o to_o the_o outward_a part_n of_o religion_n will_v come_v to_o this_o no_o institution_n of_o pope_n in_o their_o sense_n by_o scripture_n there_o be_v under_o a_o evangelicall_n promise_v a_o apopintment_n of_o king_n to_o be_v nurse_v father_n and_o of_o queen_n to_o be_v nurse_v mother_n and_o in_o triumphum_fw-la we_o may_v compare_v they_o as_o to_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o primitive_a time_n there_o be_v call_v of_o general_n council_n by_o emperor_n none_o by_o pope_n till_o they_o usurp_v therefore_o ocham_n to_o the_o king_n may_v end_v it_o tu_fw-la i_o defend_v gladio_fw-la ego_fw-la te_fw-la defendam_fw-la verbo_fw-la do_v you_o defend_v i_o with_o the_o sword_n i_o will_v defeind_n you_o with_o the_o word_n this_o to_o his_o first_o answer_n second_o as_o for_o the_o praelate_n of_o the_o church_n we_o can_v show_v divine_a institution_n act_n 20.28_o bishop_n place_v by_o the_o holy_a ghost_n over_o all_o the_o flock_n to_o feed_v or_o govern_v the_o church_n of_o god_n and_o ephes._n 4._o not_o lay_v magistrate_n but_o only_o ecclesiastical_a be_v say_v to_o be_v give_v we_o by_o christ_n for_o the_o work_n of_o the_o ministry_n etc._n etc._n ans_fw-fr first_o i_o think_v that_o the_o adversary_n live_v will_v go_v near_o to_o starve_v if_o they_o will_v eat_v nothing_o before_o they_o prove_v that_o feed_n there_o shall_v be_v understand_v of_o govern_v as_o it_o must_v be_v unless_o he_o speak_v in_o a_o proper_a disjunctiveness_n when_o he_o say_v feed_v or_o govern_v and_o if_o so_o he_o give_v we_o leave_v to_o take_v it_o not_o for_o he_o who_o must_v get_v out_o of_o it_o the_o sense_n of_o govern_v this_o indeed_o be_v labour_v by_o bellarmin_n special_o and_o he_o contest_v much_o for_o it_o with_o luther_n in_o his_o first_o b._n de_fw-la rom._n pontif._n 15._o ch_n upon_o that_o which_o be_v say_v to_o st._n peter_n by_o christ_n feed_v my_o sheep_n his_o argument_n be_v from_o the_o term_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d which_o sometime_o signify_v to_o rule_v right_a but_o it_o do_v not_o follow_v that_o it_o shall_v therefore_o signify_v so_o there_o upon_o the_o 21._o of_o st._n john_n we_o may_v therefore_o confront_v he_o with_o a_o strong_a argument_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v twice_o use_v there_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d but_o once_o now_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d do_v not_o signify_v to_o rule_v therefore_o we_o shall_v rather_o expound_v the_o other_o word_n by_o these_o then_o by_o itself_o and_o as_o for_o his_o instance_n out_o of_o the_o second_o ps_n 9_o ver_fw-la where_o he_o will_v have_v the_o hebrew_n to_o bear_v the_o same_o sense_n he_o be_v mistake_v or_o worse_a as_o i_o think_v i_o have_v note_v before_o for_o the_o hebrew_n word_n there_o do_v not_o at_o all_o signify_v to_o feed_v but_o to_o break_v it_o be_v not_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d but_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d as_o in_o ben_n israel_n edition_n and_o by_o other_o though_o it_o be_v not_o read_v with_o a_o vau_fw-fr yet_o there_o be_v a_o cholem_a and_o montanus_n render_v it_o conteres_fw-la thou_o shall_v break_v so_o then_o as_o to_o the_o former_a text_n act_v 20.28_o it_o can_v no_o way_n be_v prove_v that_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d there_o be_v to_o be_v construe_v to_o rule_v which_o be_v only_o to_o their_o purpose_n yea_o montanus_n and_o the_o translation_n of_o the_o syriack_n and_o of_o the_o arabic_a and_o of_o the_o aethiopic_a render_v it_o not_o by_o regere_fw-la but_o by_o pascere_fw-la yea_o 2._o suppose_v that_o the_o word_n therefore_o do_v signify_v to_o govern_v yet_o do_v it_o not_o therefore_o follow_v that_o the_o text_n shall_v be_v understand_v of_o bishop_n of_o proper_a name_n but_o may_v be_v understand_v of_o simple_a presbyter_n and_o without_o any_o derogation_n to_o episcopal_a government_n because_o they_o have_v a_o power_n under_o the_o bishop_n to_o rule_v their_o particular_a church_n namely_o their_o particular_a flock_n although_o they_o have_v no_o power_n over_o the_o other_o pastor_n as_o the_o bishop_n have_v who_o succeedeb_n the_o apostle_n in_o the_o point_n of_o government_n as_o st._n jerom_n speak_v in_o his_o epistle_n to_o evagrius_n 3._o suppose_v the_o verb_n be_v to_o be_v understand_v of_o rule_v and_o suppose_v that_o text_n to_o mean_v as_o some_o proper_a bishop_n take_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o a_o high_a notion_n yet_o my_o adversary_n will_v be_v yet_o disappoint_v of_o their_o end_n by_o that_o text_n because_o we_o have_v find_v divine_a institution_n of_o king_n and_o we_o can_v find_v in_o this_o text_n a_o institution_n of_o bishop_n to_o be_v above_o they_o in_o call_v of_o council_n and_o order_v the_o outward_a part_n of_o the_o church_n yea_o 4._o if_o that_o text_n do_v intend_v a_o power_n in_o they_o by_o the_o holy_a ghost_n of_o call_v council_n then_o for_o aught_o i_o see_v the_o power_n must_v be_v primary_o subject_v in_o they_o and_o not_o in_o the_o pope_n and_o therefore_o he_o must_v not_o be_v the_o chief_a pastor_n and_o head_n of_o the_o church_n which_o contradict_v they_o if_o then_o they_o intend_v by_o the_o text_n a_o proof_n of_o such_o a_o divine_a institution_n of_o praelate_n to_o govern_v the_o church_n as_o to_o call_v council_n thereby_o this_o derogate_v from_o the_o pope_n and_o if_o they_o intend_v not_o such_o a_o power_n to_o be_v give_v to_o the_o praelate_v as_o to_o call_v council_n how_o do_v this_o prove_v that_o the_o pope_n be_v to_o call_v council_n from_o this_o text_n yea_o how_o do_v they_o prove_v that_o king_n or_o emperor_n be_v not_o to_o call_v council_n for_o though_o praelat_n be_v to_o govern_v the_o church_n yet_o king_n or_o emperor_n may_v call_v council_n these_o be_v not_o opposite_n but_o agreeable_a because_o the_o praelat_n may_v govern_v in_o sacris_fw-la the_o king_n or_o emperor_n circa_fw-la sacra_fw-la the_o speculative_a decision_n be_v to_o be_v by_o the_o praelat_n the_o outward_a administration_n by_o the_o emperor_n the_o potestas_fw-la in_o actu_fw-la signato_fw-la in_o they_o in_o actu_fw-la exercito_fw-la in_o the_o emperor_n and_o as_o for_o the_o other_o text_n eph._n 4._o we_o need_v say_v nothing_o or_o only_o this_o that_o the_o not_o name_v of_o lie_v magistrate_n there_o do_v not_o exclude_v they_o else_o where_o do_v it_o if_o it_o do_v not_o where_o be_v their_o argument_n if_o it_o do_v then_o by_o the_o same_o law_n of_o consequence_n there_o be_v no_o praelat_n to_o have_v any_o divine_a authority_n for_o the_o good_a of_o the_o church_n because_o where_o it_o be_v say_v king_n shall_v be_v the_o nurse_n father_n and_o queen_n the_o nurse_n mother_n there_o be_v no_o mention_n of_o ecclesiastical_a praelat_n so_o then_o let_v they_o speak_v no_o more_o of_o the_o father_n of_o the_o church_n and_o then_o 2._o this_o come_v not_o to_o the_o point_n of_o the_o question_n that_o lay_v magistrate_n be_v not_o here_o speak_v of_o but_o only_o ecclesiastical_a be_v say_v to_o be_v give_v we_o by_o christ_n for_o the_o work_n of_o the_o ministry_n for_o to_o the_o work_n of_o the_o ministry_n no_o man_n assert_n the_o power_n of_o a_o lay_v magistrate_n but_o external_a government_n be_v contradistiguish_v to_o the_o work_n of_o the_o ministry_n which_o consist_v in_o ministerial_a act_n yea_o 3._o be_v that_o text_n to_o be_v understand_v of_o government_n of_o the_o church_n if_o it_o be_v not_o than_o it_o be_v impertinent_o produce_v if_o it_o be_v then_o by_o his_o former_a argument_n the_o pope_n be_v exclude_v because_o here_o be_v no_o mention_n of_o any_o appointment_n of_o he_o sub_fw-la ratione_fw-la singulritatis_fw-la and_o in_o way_n of_o eminency_n nay_o not_o of_o any_o priority_n and_o therefore_o he_o by_o this_o account_n in_o all_o his_o pontificalaibus_fw-mi be_v but_o a_o human_a creature_n therefore_o upon_o the_o account_n of_o the_o text_n we_o will_v stand_v our_o ground_n and_o not_o be_v carry_v about_o with_o every_o wind_n of_o doctrine_n three_o the_o emperor_n be_v not_o by_o divine_a institution_n lord_n of_o the_o
do_v now_o infallible_o teach_v the_o church_n in_o all_o definition_n and_o then_o a_o second_o that_o it_o be_v his_o duty_n to_o do_v so_o let_v they_o learn_v their_o duty_n not_o to_o tell_v god_n his_o duty_n do_v the_o holy_a ghost_n do_v his_o duty_n when_o cajaphas_n and_o the_o assembly_n condemn_v christ_n and_o why_o do_v not_o the_o holy_a ghost_n make_v eight_o hundred_o bishop_n in_o ariminum_n as_o infallible_a without_o a_o pope_n as_o the_o forty_o bishop_n in_o the_o trent_n council_n whereof_o some_o may_v be_v make_v bishop_n not_o because_o they_o do_v not_o differ_v from_o the_o rest_n but_o that_o they_o may_v not_o differ_v in_o the_o roman_a faith_n though_o against_o the_o catholic_a faith_n and_o if_o they_o put_v the_o difference_n in_o this_o compare_n upon_o a_o pope_n in_o trent_n council_n none_o in_o ariminum_n though_o that_o answer_n will_v not_o serve_v as_o before_o since_o praelat_n have_v a_o also_o a_o power_n of_o call_v council_n as_o my_o adversary_n before_o in_o some_o case_n why_o shall_v not_o the_o holy_a ghost_n rather_o assist_v eight_o hundred_o praelat_n without_o a_o pope_n than_o forty_o with_o as_o to_o the_o eight_o answer_n he_o confess_v the_o substance_n of_o it_o that_o for_o the_o first_o three_o hundred_o year_n there_o be_v no_o general_n council_n and_o tell_v we_o the_o cause_n for_o persecution_n no_o council_n can_v be_v gather_v but_o this_o satisfi_v not_o god_n be_v not_o want_v in_o necessary_n nor_o abundant_a in_o superfluity_n as_o one_o of_o they_o say_v if_o council_n have_v be_v always_o necessary_a he_o can_v have_v provide_v against_o persecution_n or_o for_o a_o council_n notwithstanding_o and_o why_o not_o in_o time_n of_o persecution_n as_o well_o as_o in_o the_o time_n of_o the_o apostle_n be_v not_o those_o time_n of_o persecution_n neither_o be_v that_o a_o sufficient_a reason_n because_o all_o this_o time_n the_o former_a doctrine_n of_o the_o apostle_n remain_v so_o fresh_a and_o so_o notorious_o the_o tradition_n of_o the_o church_n diffuse_v and_o there_o remain_v also_o so_o universal_a a_o respect_n and_o obedience_n to_o the_o chief_a bishop_n of_o the_o church_n ans_fw-fr these_o three_o cause_n will_v not_o make_v one_o sound_v one_o for_o by_o the_o first_o he_o mean_v the_o know_a doctrine_n of_o the_o apostle_n as_o deliver_v in_o writing_n or_o not_o if_o so_o then_o why_o may_v not_o we_o by_o the_o same_o cause_n sufficient_o be_v direct_v by_o the_o word_n write_v and_o as_o to_o the_o second_o if_o he_o join_v tradition_n of_o the_o church_n as_o notorious_o diffuse_v as_o a_o social_a mean_n of_o the_o direction_n it_o may_v be_v deny_v upon_o this_o account_n only_o here_o for_o that_o other_o tradition_n of_o heretic_n be_v then_o mingle_v in_o the_o church_n with_o pretence_n of_o come_v from_o the_o apostle_n and_o therefore_o the_o tradition_n of_o the_o church_n be_v notorious_o not_o distinguish_v and_o as_o to_o the_o three_o it_o be_v notorious_o false_a that_o then_o there_o be_v a_o chief_a bishop_n in_o their_o sense_n in_o those_o time_n for_o how_o then_o can_v equal_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v appoint_v in_o the_o nicene_n council_n if_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n have_v be_v chief_a before_o how_o can_v st._n cyprian_n have_v say_v that_o all_o the_o apostle_n be_v equal_a pari_fw-la consortio_fw-la praediti_fw-la honoris_fw-la &_o potestatis_fw-la how_o can_v the_o african_a council_n have_v then_o cut_v off_o appeal_v to_o rome_n then_o have_v there_o be_v no_o need_n of_o the_o feign_n of_o a_o canon_n to_o this_o purpose_n in_o the_o nicene_n council_n how_o can_v st._n jerom_n have_v say_v that_o the_o bishop_n succeed_v the_o apostle_n in_o communi_fw-la in_o his_o epistle_n to_o evagrious_a neither_o be_v there_o such_o obedience_n then_o perform_v by_o they_o to_o the_o praelat_n in_o all_o place_n as_o may_v appear_v by_o the_o epistle_n of_o clement_n to_o the_o corinthian_n where_o he_o speak_v of_o great_a schism_n and_o also_o by_o ignatius_n his_o earnest_a exhortation_n of_o submission_n to_o they_o whence_o the_o quartodecim_fw-la any_fw-la although_o they_o oppose_v nothing_o clear_o set_v down_o in_o scripture_n be_v judge_v heretic_n for_o oppose_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o first_o church_n make_v evident_o know_v by_o fresh_a tradition_n ans_fw-fr first_o if_o they_o will_v believe_v their_o alphonsus_n de_fw-la castro_fw-la they_o be_v not_o sentential_o declare_v heretic_n because_o they_o be_v excommunicate_v indeed_o victor_n will_v have_v excommunicate_v then_o &_o fecisset_fw-la nisi_fw-la irenaeus_n illum_fw-la ob_fw-la hoc_fw-la redarguisset_fw-la he_o will_v have_v do_v it_o if_o irenaeus_n have_v not_o chide_v he_o for_o this_o by_o the_o way_n than_o be_v this_o also_o obedience_n to_o the_o chief_a bishop_n to_o chide_v he_o so_o alphons_n in_o his_o 12._o b._n de_fw-fr haer_fw-mi in_o verbo_fw-la pascha_fw-la yea_o 2._o they_o may_v know_v that_o eusebius_n do_v give_v a_o account_n of_o the_o asian_a observation_n to_o come_v from_o as_o good_a tradition_n as_o the_o the_o other_o and_o sure_o the_o asian_a church_n be_v therefore_o the_o western_a and_o therefore_o be_v it_o not_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o first_o church_n yea_o also_o by_o the_o way_n how_o be_v tradition_n of_o the_o church_n notorious_o diffuse_v when_o there_o be_v tradition_n against_o tradition_n and_o herein_o also_o do_v the_o british_a church_n which_o tertullian_n speak_v of_o differ_v from_o the_o western_a follow_v the_o eastern_a church_n 3._o heresy_n be_v some_o time_n large_o take_v and_o do_v then_o respect_n schism_n of_o proper_a name_n and_o so_o in_o a_o large_a sense_n it_o may_v by_o some_o be_v call_v heresy_n although_o the_o matter_n of_o difference_n be_v no_o doctrine_n of_o faith_n exit_fw-la verbis_fw-la male_a prolatis_fw-la oritur_fw-la haeresis_fw-la so_o heretic_n in_o a_o propriety_n of_o speech_n they_o can_v not_o be_v 14._o alphonsus_n do_v distinguish_v here_o upon_o in_o the_o same_o place_n and_o say_v they_o be_v account_v heretic_n not_o because_o they_o do_v simple_o observe_v it_o then_o sed_fw-la quia_fw-la ita_fw-la esse_fw-la necessario_fw-la faciendum_fw-la credebant_fw-la and_o this_o then_o alter_v the_o case_n and_o he_o explain_v himself_o further_a because_o this_o do_v include_v a_o necessity_n of_o observe_a judaical_a ceremony_n even_o after_o christ_n his_o come_n and_o so_o then_o this_o be_v contrary_a to_o the_o word_n write_v and_o then_o this_o be_v not_o a_o tradition_n 5._o they_o here_o show_v the_o pride_n of_o rome_n to_o offer_v to_o cut_v off_o from_o her_o comunion_n all_o those_o who_o be_v of_o the_o other_o persuasion_n who_o be_v not_o few_o as_o may_v be_v see_v in_o eusebius_n 5._o b._n 24.5_o ch._n for_o a_o thing_n simple_o of_o free_a observation_n wherein_o difference_n make_v not_o variance_n aâ—_n irenaeus_n send_v word_n to_o their_o victor_n ch_n 6._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o difference_n of_o a_o fast_o and_o so_o of_o a_o feast_n do_v commend_v the_o agreement_n of_o faith_n he_o go_v on_o now_o as_o the_o church_n can_v want_v council_n for_o so_o many_o year_n so_o it_o can_v want_v council_n for_o the_o short_a space_n of_o schism_n right_n but_o then_o so_o can_v it_o want_v council_n still_o and_o therefore_o god_n have_v not_o bind_v we_o over_o to_o the_o church_n for_o our_o absolute_a direction_n upon_o necessity_n of_o salvation_n council_n be_v necessary_a to_o infallible_a direction_n so_o my_o adversary_n hold_v the_o church_n for_o three_o hundred_o year_n and_o in_o time_n of_o a_o schism_n can_v want_v council_n as_o my_o adversary_n here_o so_o then_o there_o be_v no_o absolute_a necessity_n of_o their_o infallibility_n and_o indeed_o there_o be_v much_o need_n of_o council_n in_o that_o space_n of_o the_o first_o three_o hundred_o year_n in_o regard_n of_o division_n as_o since_o and_o than_o if_o god_n provide_v sufficient_o for_o his_o church_n without_o they_o he_o can_v and_o will_v do_v so_o still_o and_o this_o be_v confirm_v by_o my_o adversary_n by_o these_o word_n of_o he_o for_o the_o neccessity_n of_o new_a declaration_n be_v not_o so_o frequent_a at_o least_o in_o any_o high_a degree_n of_o necessity_n call_v for_o instant_a remedy_n and_o remedy_n of_o this_o nature_n only_o and_o he_o may_v go_v on_o and_o say_v it_o not_o upon_o my_o opinion_n but_o for_o himself_o and_o ex_fw-la animo_fw-la that_o scripture_n alone_o will_v remedy_v this_o necessity_n he_o need_v not_o to_o put_v in_o you_o say_v and_o as_o to_o that_o which_o he_o say_v that_o there_o remain_v many_o definition_n oft_o former_a council_n and_o tradition_n of_o the_o church_n which_o alone_o serve_v god_n church_n these_o we_o have_v speak_v to_o sufficient_o before_o either_o the_o definition_n be_v conclude_v out_o of_o principle_n
of_o scripture_n and_o tradition_n be_v agreeable_a to_o the_o substance_n of_o scripture_n or_o not_o if_o so_o than_o they_o hold_v their_o virtue_n by_o scripture_n if_o not_o they_o remain_v under_o debate_n whether_o they_o be_v infallible_a neither_o be_v tradition_n before_o scripture_n to_o be_v confound_v with_o tradition_n after_o scripture_n we_o can_v grant_v more_o to_o the_o former_a than_o we_o can_v to_o the_o latter_a both_o in_o the_o substance_n of_o the_o matter_n and_o in_o the_o manner_n of_o certification_n and_o for_o the_o time_n after_o the_o old_a testament_n be_v write_v he_o do_v well_o to_o say_v that_o it_o remain_v almost_o sole_o and_o alone_o to_o the_o jew_n for_o what_o be_v job_n and_o why_o may_v not_o other_o of_o the_o learned_a gentile_n travail_v for_o divine_a knowledge_n as_o well_o as_o pythagoras_n and_o plato_n and_o orpheus_n into_o egypt_n as_o justin_n martyr_n say_v of_o they_o nine_o he_o answer_v to_o the_o cause_n put_v of_o a_o pope_n differ_v from_o the_o council_n upon_o a_o question_n he_o say_v nothing_o shall_v be_v defer_v and_o yet_o no_o peril_n for_o if_o it_o be_v necessary_a to_o have_v a_o present_a definition_n the_o holy_a ghost_n will_v not_o forget_v to_o inspire_v the_o party_n requisite_a to_o do_v their_o duty_n ans_fw-fr again_o what_o necessity_n then_o of_o every_o controversy_n to_o be_v end_v second_o how_o shall_v the_o people_n know_v whether_o the_o business_n require_v a_o present_a definition_n sure_o they_o may_v know_v by_o this_o that_o it_o do_v not_o require_v a_o present_a definition_n because_o if_o so_o the_o holy_a ghost_n will_v not_o have_v forget_v to_o have_v inspire_v the_o party_n requisite_a to_o do_v their_o duty_n well_o then_o also_o we_o can_v say_v that_o we_o may_v be_v as_o confident_a that_o what_o be_v not_o clear_o deliver_v in_o scripture_n do_v not_o require_v a_o full_a definition_n because_o if_o it_o have_v the_o holy_a ghost_n will_v not_o have_v forget_v to_o inspire_v the_o penman_n of_o scripture_n to_o do_v their_o duty_n in_o the_o ten_o answer_n he_o be_v very_o suspensive_a how_o to_o declare_v himself_o in_o the_o point_n of_o ecclesiastical_a monarchy_n he_o say_v a_o monarch_n in_o some_o nation_n can_v not_o do_v all_o thing_n without_o a_o parliament_n but_o he_o think_v himself_o on_o the_o sure_a side_n that_o he_o be_v sufficient_o assist_v when_o he_o define_v with_o a_o council_n ans_fw-fr first_o why_o do_v they_o not_o speak_v out_o and_o tell_v we_o which_o be_v which_o the_o church_n can_v end_v all_o controversy_n as_o they_o say_v but_o not_o that_o capital_a controversy_n about_o the_o church_n that_o whereby_o all_o thing_n be_v to_o be_v make_v manifest_a be_v that_o not_o to_o be_v make_v manifest_a we_o must_v see_v all_o thing_n by_o the_o light_n but_o the_o light_n must_v be_v private_a do_v they_o declaim_v against_o private_a spirit_n and_o will_v not_o let_v we_o public_o know_v the_o power_n of_o the_o pope_n comparate_o to_o a_o council_n and_o yet_o they_o together_o must_v be_v the_o subject_n of_o public_a authority_n and_o why_o do_v they_o tell_v we_o that_o the_o scripture_n can_v prove_v itself_o and_o therefore_o we_o must_v not_o resolve_v our_o faith_n in_o that_o and_o yet_o we_o must_v resolve_v ourselves_o in_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n and_o yet_o the_o church_n can_v tell_v we_o where_o this_o authority_n supreme_a be_v or_o will_v not_o and_o it_o be_v all_o one_o to_o we_o for_o we_o be_v in_o the_o dark_a as_o well_o by_o their_o want_n of_o will_n to_o show_v we_o light_n as_o of_o power_n but_o since_o it_o seem_v we_o may_v be_v save_v in_o the_o opinion_n of_o the_o jesuit_n or_o in_o the_o opinion_n of_o the_o sorbonist_n we_o draw_v this_o advantage_n from_o it_o that_o notwithstanding_o we_o know_v not_o infallible_o which_o part_n of_o the_o contradiction_n to_o hold_v in_o point_n of_o question_n we_o may_v yet_o be_v secure_v against_o damnation_n pendenti_fw-la light_fw-la and_o what_o controversy_n be_v of_o such_o moment_n for_o a_o infallible_a judge_n as_o who_o it_o be_v second_o infallibility_n may_v be_v in_o one_o as_o well_o as_o in_o many_o since_o it_o come_v by_o the_o assistance_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n then_o if_o they_o think_v god_n have_v provide_v absolute_o the_o most_o plain_a and_o expedite_a way_n for_o the_o direction_n of_o his_o church_n this_o must_v be_v place_v in_o the_o pope_n without_o a_o council_n i_o hope_v the_o holy_a ghost_n need_v no_o council_n which_o can_v soon_o and_o easy_o be_v make_v in_o all_o the_o essential_o and_o therefore_o he_o shall_v not_o have_v compare_v the_o pope_n with_o a_o monarch_n but_o he_o shall_v have_v compare_v upon_o this_o reckon_n a_o monarch_n with_o the_o holy_a ghost_n then_o though_o a_o monarch_n can_v not_o do_v all_o thing_n without_o a_o parliament_n yet_o a_o pope_n may_v do_v all_o without_o a_o council_n because_o the_o pope_n shall_v be_v infallible_o assist_v by_o the_o holy_a ghost_n as_o the_o apostle_n be_v but_o they_o do_v not_o think_v so_o of_o a_o monarch_n again_o they_o think_v that_o the_o pope_n be_v of_o divine_a institution_n and_o that_o a_o king_n be_v mere_o a_o creature_n of_o the_o people_n and_o therefore_o he_o that_o have_v a_o divine_a institution_n must_v needs_o have_v more_o divine_a assistance_n again_o when_o he_o define_v with_o a_o council_n he_o define_v not_o so_o much_o as_o head_n of_o the_o church_n but_o as_o a_o bishop_n in_o communi_fw-la with_o the_o rest_n as_o indeed_o ancient_o the_o custom_n be_v and_o this_o derogate_v from_o the_o monarchy_n of_o the_o church_n and_o if_o he_o have_v a_o priority_n of_o order_n this_o do_v not_o infer_v a_o priority_n of_o jurisdiction_n over_o all_o the_o church_n which_o pelagius_n and_o gregory_n bishop_n of_o rome_n abhor_v eleven_o he_o say_v not_o one_o council_n have_v be_v opposite_a to_o another_o ans_fw-fr this_o proposition_n in_o term_n be_v not_o true_a the_o council_n of_o constantinople_n under_o leo_n the_o emperor_n decree_v against_o image_n the_o second_o council_n of_o nice_a decree_v for_o they_o and_o what_o do_v they_o think_v of_o pope_n vigilius_n his_o judgement_n betwixt_o the_o council_n of_o chalcedon_n and_o the_o five_o council_n of_o constantinople_n about_o the_o epistle_n of_o ibas_n whether_o it_o contain_v heresy_n or_o not_o and_o be_v not_o the_o african_a council_n against_o appeal_n opposite_a to_o the_o trent_n council_n which_o add_v to_o the_o catholic_a apostolic_a church_n the_o roman_a as_o make_v the_o roman_a to_o be_v omnium_fw-la ecclesiarum_fw-la matrem_fw-la &_o magistram_fw-la of_o all_o church_n the_o mother_n and_o mistress_n but_o this_o have_v be_v touch_v before_o he_o go_v on_o in_o the_o nicene_n he_o the_o pope_n err_v not_o as_o you_o will_v grant_v nor_o in_o the_o three_o next_o general_n council_n as_o the_o church_n of_o england_n grant_v ans_fw-fr he_o say_v well_o he_o err_v not_o in_o the_o first_o nicene_n but_o this_o antecedent_n will_v not_o make_v a_o conclusion_n or_o consequent_a that_o therefore_o he_o have_v not_o or_o can_v err_v in_o other_o it_o follow_v not_o from_o a_o negative_a sure_o of_o one_o act_n to_o a_o negative_a of_o the_o power_n they_o be_v to_o prove_v that_o he_o can_v err_v which_o be_v infallibility_n but_o second_o we_o say_v also_o that_o he_o can_v not_o err_v in_o the_o other_o general_a council_n neither_o as_o head_n of_o the_o church_n because_o he_o be_v not_o head_n of_o the_o church_n he_o may_v have_v err_v as_o a_o bishop_n of_o rome_n but_o as_o head_n of_o the_o church_n he_o can_v not_o err_v not_o that_o we_o do_v assert_v he_o to_o have_v be_v head_n of_o the_o church_n but_o because_o we_o say_v he_o be_v not_o head_n of_o the_o church_n and_o therefore_o can_v not_o err_v as_o such_o he_o go_v on_o he_o subscribe_v not_o in_o the_o council_n of_o ariminum_n how_o then_o do_v he_o err_v in_o it_o yea_o because_o he_o subscribe_v not_o that_o council_n be_v never_o account_v lawful_a by_o any_o but_o arrian_n ans_fw-fr he_o seem_v now_o to_o come_v to_o term_n more_o moderate_a before_o he_o speak_v of_o council_n to_o be_v confirm_v by_o the_o pope_n subscription_n be_v less_o and_o more_o general_a every_o confirmation_n include_v eminent_o a_o subscription_n but_o every_o subscription_n make_v not_o a_o confirmation_n for_o they_o will_v not_o deny_v that_o other_o bishop_n be_v wont_a to_o subscribe_v second_o they_o may_v know_v that_o the_o 5._o council_n of_o constantinople_n go_v for_o good_a without_o his_o subscription_n nay_o notwithstanding_o what_o he_o publish_v for_o the_o tria_fw-la capitula_fw-la which_o be_v condemn_v in_o the_o foresay_a council_n therefore_o if_o they_o have_v
50._o who_o emperor_n by_o a_o figure_n be_v call_v the_o master_n of_o the_o world_n beyond_o the_o limit_n of_o the_o empire_n none_o of_o those_o or_o after_o council_n do_v ever_o reach_v none_o go_v thither_o out_o of_o persia_n india_n the_o inmost_a arabia_n and_o aethiopia_n wherein_o the_o church_n be_v never_o subject_a to_o the_o roman_a empire_n nor_o yet_o out_o of_o britain_n france_n and_o spain_n when_o be_v part_v from_o the_o empire_n they_o become_v the_o peculiar_a of_o other_o prince_n and_o as_o the_o empire_n grow_v scanty_a so_o the_o council_n in_o proportion_n do_v grow_v less_o general_n who_o greatness_n be_v to_o be_v measure_v not_o by_o the_o number_n of_o the_o bishop_n but_o by_o the_o multitude_n of_o the_o church_n and_o by_o the_o greatness_n of_o the_o region_n from_o which_o they_o come_v but_o since_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n with_o other_o right_n of_o the_o roman_a empire_n have_v invade_v this_o also_o of_o call_v and_o praeside_v in_o general_a council_n they_o have_v be_v only_o call_v general_n for_o be_v a_o confluence_n of_o pastor_n out_o of_o all_o the_o papal_a empire_n and_o therefore_o according_a to_o mr_n cressy_n they_o can_v not_o possible_o be_v infallible_a because_o not_o such_o as_o to_o which_o all_o nation_n do_v send_v their_o pastor_n next_o i_o answer_v by_o observe_v that_o the_o learned_a romanist_n can_v agree_v about_o the_o nature_n or_o number_n of_o general_n council_n for_o first_o as_o to_o the_o nature_n the_o general_a council_n of_o the_o romanist_n be_v 1097._o be_v quaedam_fw-la sunt_fw-la ab_fw-la apostolicâ_fw-la sede_fw-la app_z obata_fw-la atque_fw-la ab_fw-la ecclâ—siâ_fw-la universâ_fw-la recepta_fw-la quaedam_fw-la omniâ—o_fw-la reprobata_fw-la quaedam_fw-la partim_fw-la reprobata_fw-la partim_fw-la approbata_fw-la quaedam_fw-la nec_fw-la approbata_fw-la nec_fw-la reprobata_fw-la bellarm._n ubi_fw-la supra_fw-la p._n 1097._o thus_o divide_v by_o themselves_o some_o say_v they_o be_v approve_v by_o the_o sea_n apostolical_a and_o receive_v by_o the_o catholic_n church_n 2_o some_o be_v absolute_o reprobate_v 3_o some_o be_v reprobate_v in_o part_n and_o in_o part_n approve_v 4_o some_o be_v neither_o reprobate_v nor_o approve_v now_o since_o each_o of_o these_o sort_n be_v say_v by_o romanist_n to_o be_v general_n and_o general_a council_n in_o the_o general_n be_v also_o say_v by_o the_o same_o to_o be_v infallible_a what_o do_v they_o but_o say_v in_o effect_n and_o substance_n the_o church_n represent_v in_o general_a council_n be_v either_o absolute_o infallible_a as_o in_o the_o first_o species_n of_o general_a council_n or_o altogether_o fallible_a as_o in_o the_o second_o or_o partly_o infallible_a and_o partly_o fallible_a as_o in_o the_o three_o or_o neither_o fallible_a nor_o infallible_a as_o in_o the_o four_o if_o general_a council_n can_v err_v why_o do_v they_o reprobate_a or_o doubt_v any_o of_o they_o if_o they_o have_v sufficient_a reason_n both_o to_o reprobate_v some_o and_o to_o doubt_v of_o other_o why_o do_v they_o call_v ùm_fw-la call_v p._n 1105_o 1107_o 1109._o et_fw-la inde_fw-la constat_fw-la locutum_fw-la esse_fw-la bellarminum_fw-la ex_fw-la sententiâ_fw-la suâ_fw-la quia_fw-la sic_fw-la claudit_fw-la partitionem_fw-la quod_fw-la membrum_fw-la postremum_fw-la in_o conciliis_fw-la particularibus_fw-la potissimum_fw-la locum_fw-la habet_fw-la p._n 1097._o ergo_fw-la membra_fw-la priora_fw-la in_o generalibus_fw-la ut_fw-la &_o postremum_fw-la aliquatenùs_fw-la etiamsi_fw-la non_fw-la potissia_n ùm_fw-la general_a council_n or_o if_o general_a council_n can_v be_v doubt_v of_o at_o all_o and_o that_o by_o they_o by_o what_o infallible_a token_n shall_v they_o know_v either_o that_o the_o council_n be_v true_o general_n and_o genuine_a or_o at_o least_o that_o be_v such_o they_o be_v infallible_a of_o bellarmine_n 18_o general_n council_n which_o be_v his_o first_o and_o best_a species_n he_o prove_v the_o approvedness_n and_o validity_n by_o the_o pope_n praeside_v in_o or_o approve_v of_o they_o his_o general_n proof_n be_v but_o this_o they_o be_v approve_v of_o by_o the_o pope_n and_o receive_v by_o papist_n and_o what_o be_v this_o but_o to_o beg_v the_o question_n the_o first_o 8_o council_n he_o prove_v to_o be_v such_o by_o the_o 61._o the_o dist_n 16._o can._n sancta_fw-la octo_fw-la apud_fw-la gratian._n p._n 60_o 61._o decree_n of_o the_o pope_n the_o nine_o that_o follow_v he_o prove_v to_o be_v approve_v because_o the_o pope_n preside_v in_o they_o and_o the_o last_o be_v confirm_v by_o plus_fw-fr quartus_fw-la so_o that_o a_o council_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v derive_v from_o the_o pope_n and_o depend_v upon_o his_o pleasure_n but_o now_o of_o those_o 18._o there_o be_v a_o very_a great_a difference_n for_o the_o first_o four_o only_o be_v receive_v and_o revere_v by_o gregory_n the_o great_a as_o be_v the_o four_o 593._o four_o gratian._n decret_a par_fw-fr 1._o dist_n 5._o hac_fw-la spectat_fw-la epist_n vigilii_fw-la papae_fw-la ad_fw-la euâ—ychium_n apud_fw-la council_n edit_fw-la bin._n to._n 8._o p._n 593._o gospel_n of_o jesus_n christ_n which_o reverence_n will_v have_v be_v due_a to_o the_o other_o fourteen_o have_v they_o be_v of_o as_o great_a authority_n as_o they_o needs_o must_v have_v be_v have_v all_o be_v equal_o infallible_a in_o their_o opinion_n who_o own_v they_o all._n and_o yet_o the_o late_a council_n have_v be_v more_o valid_a than_o the_o former_a if_o it_o be_v not_o 17._o not_o aâ—sque_fw-la romani_fw-la pontificis_fw-la authoritate_fw-la synodum_fw-la aliquibus_fw-la congregare_fw-la non_fw-la licet_fw-la ibid._n dist_n 17._o lawful_a to_o call_v a_o council_n without_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o pope_n as_o marcellus_n his_o decretal_a affirm_n it_o be_v not_o second_o for_o the_o number_n of_o their_o approve_a general_n council_n i_o see_v not_o how_o it_o can_v be_v agree_v for_o beside_o that_o the_o 6._o the_o council_n florent_fw-la sess_n 5_o &_o 6._o greek_n receive_v no_o more_o than_o the_o first_o seven_o the_o 9_o the_o magdeburg_n cent._n 8._o c._n 9_o &_o cent._n 9_o c._n 9_o lutheran_n but_o six_o the_o eutychian_o in_o africa_n no_o more_o than_o three_o the_o nestorian_n in_o the_o east_n no_o more_o than_o two_o and_o the_o polonian_a trinitarian_n no_o more_o than_o one_o which_o difference_n be_v acknowledge_v by_o bellarmine_n himself_o i_o say_v beside_o this_o i_o wonder_v when_o bellarmine_n will_v be_v ever_o agree_v with_o pope_n paul_n the_o five_o the_o former_a reject_v the_o council_n at_o constance_n from_o the_o number_n of_o the_o approve_a which_o yet_o the_o 4._o the_o v._o council_n gen._n a_o paulo_n v._o edit_n tom._n 4._o late_a do_v admit_v of_o with_o equal_a reverence_n it_o be_v reprobate_v indeed_o by_o a_o worse_a than_o itself_o to_o wit_v the_o council_n at_o florence_n next_o follow_v after_o but_o for_o decree_a that_o a_o council_n be_v above_o the_o pope_n for_o which_o it_o ought_v to_o have_v be_v approve_v and_o abate_v those_o thing_n which_o consist_v not_o with_o the_o haughtiness_n but_o the_o just_a dignity_n of_o the_o pope_n it_o be_v as_o general_o receive_v as_o any_o other_o yet_o we_o need_v no_o better_a argument_n to_o prove_v such_o a_o council_n above_o a_o pope_n and_o the_o gross_a fallibility_n of_o both_o together_o than_o a_o historical_a account_n of_o that_o one_o council_n as_o we_o find_v it_o set_v down_o by_o pope_n paul_n the_o five_o the_o three_o at_o constantinople_n which_o be_v common_o reckon_v the_o six_o general_n council_n be_v by_o the_o 14_o at_o toledo_n can._n 7._o esteem_v the_o five_o imply_v the_o former_a under_o vigilius_n not_o to_o have_v be_v one_o of_o the_o general_a council_n which_o yet_o with_o other_o council_n do_v pass_v for_o such_o without_o question_n and_o so_o much_o for_o the_o number_n of_o general_a council_n last_o of_o all_o let_v mr._n cressy_n be_v allow_v to_o mean_v at_o the_o most_o advantage_n that_o his_o general_a council_n be_v say_v to_o be_v infallible_a not_o because_o they_o can_v but_o do_v not_o err_v for_o so_o he_o most_o improper_o but_o yet_o most_o kindly_a help_n be_v out_o himself_o 19_o socrat._v hist_o eccl._n l._n 1._o c._n 8._o sozomen_n l._n 1._o c._n 23._o niceph._n l._n 8._o c._n 19_o chap._n 9_o p._n 98._o but_o do_v he_o not_o think_v it_o be_v a_o error_n in_o the_o first_o council_n of_o nice_a as_o in_o the_o three_o of_o constantinople_n to_o assent_v to_o paphnutius_fw-la his_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o patronise_a the_o marriage_n of_o priest_n as_o both_o socrates_n and_o sozomen_n &_o the_o roman_a 36._o roman_a dist_n 32._o can._n nicen._n v._o council_n constantin_n iii_o can._n 13._o council_n elib_n can_v 36._o decree_n do_v alike_o affirm_v at_o least_o the_o council_n of_o eliberis_n which_o be_v contemporary_a with_o that_o mr._n cressy_n will_v say_v be_v in_o a_o error_n for_o declare_v it_o unlawful_a to_o paint_v
in_o the_o window_n or_o wall_n of_o church_n 1046._o council_n nicen._n 2._o act_n 4._o council_n constant_n quartum_fw-la decrevit_fw-la cundem_fw-la imaginum_fw-la cultum_fw-la edit_fw-la bin._n tom._n 7._o p._n 1046._o what_o be_v the_o object_n of_o adoration_n and_o so_o much_o the_o rather_o will_v he_o believe_v it_o to_o be_v a_o error_n because_o the_o second_o nicene_n general_a council_n decree_v that_o image_n be_v to_o be_v worship_v and_o denounce_v a_o anathema_n to_o all_o that_o doubt_v the_o truth_n of_o it_o do_v he_o not_o think_v it_o be_v a_o error_n in_o the_o council_n of_o chalcedon_n pudendo_fw-la council_n chalced._n act._n 15._o can_v 28._o qui_fw-fr canon_n genuinus_fw-la est_fw-la non_fw-la obstante_fw-la bâ—nii_fw-la subterfugio_fw-la pudendo_fw-la to_o decree_n unto_o the_o bishop_n of_o constantinople_n even_o in_o cause_n ecclesiastical_a a_o equality_n of_o privilege_n with_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n or_o do_v he_o not_o think_v it_o be_v a_o error_n in_o the_o 572._o the_o council_n constantinop_n iii_o act._n 13._o vide_fw-la notas_fw-la in_o vitam_fw-la honor._n edit_fw-la bin._n tom._n 4_o p._n 572._o six_o general_n council_n to_o condemn_v pope_n honorius_n as_o a_o monothelite_n and_o to_o decree_v that_o his_o name_n shall_v be_v raze_v out_o of_o the_o church_n diptych_n 854._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n council_n florent_fw-la definit_a edit_fw-la bin._n to._n 8._o p._n 854._o see_v another_o general_a council_n since_o hold_v at_o florence_n have_v define_v the_o pope_n to_o be_v the_o highpriest_n over_o all_o the_o world_n the_o successor_n of_o st._n peter_n christ_n lieutenant_n the_o head_n of_o the_o church_n the_o father_n and_o teacher_n of_o all_o christian_n and_o one_o to_o who_o in_o st._n peter_n our_o lord_n jesus_n christ_n do_v deliver_v a_o full_a power_n as_o well_o to_o govern_v as_o to_o feed_v the_o universal_a church_n and_o do_v according_o exauctorate_v the_o council_n at_o constance_n for_o seat_v a_o council_n above_o a_o pope_n or_o be_v it_o not_o think_v by_o mr_n cressy_n that_o this_o florentine_a council_n be_v in_o a_o error_n in_o grant_v the_o roman_a church_n a_o power_n of_o add_v to_o the_o creed_n which_o the_o general_a council_n of_o chalcedon_n have_v forbid_v to_o be_v do_v under_o the_o penalty_n of_o a_o curse_n as_o be_v 593._o be_v ibid._n sess_n 5._o p._n 593._o observe_v and_o urge_v by_o pope_n vigilius_n himself_o to_o eutychius_n the_o patriarch_n of_o constantinople_n let_v mr._n cressy_n but_o compare_v the_o six_o general_n council_n who_o famous_a canon_n be_v make_v in_o trullo_n with_o the_o tridentine_a canon_n and_o the_o general_n practice_n of_o his_o church_n and_o sure_o i_o be_o he_o will_v acknowledge_v that_o the_o one_o or_o the_o other_o have_v foul_o err_v it_o be_v decree_v in_o the_o six_o 326._o six_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n conc._n constant_n iii_o can._n 13._o to._n 5._o p._n 326._o edit_fw-la bin._n to._n 5._o p._n 326._o that_o marry_a man_n without_o scruple_n shall_v be_v admit_v into_o the_o priesthood_n and_o this_o without_o any_o condition_n of_o abstain_v thence-forwards_a from_o cohabitation_n lest_o man_n shall_v seem_v to_o offer_v contumely_n unto_o god_n holy_a institution_n yea_o which_o be_v most_o to_o be_v observe_v this_o be_v a_o canon_n make_v profess_o 326._o profess_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n ibid._n p._n 325_o 326._o against_o the_o canon_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n whereunto_o be_v confront_v the_o ancient_a canon_n which_o be_v there_o say_v to_o be_v of_o apostolical_a perfection_n here_o the_o doctrine_n and_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v condemn_v by_o a_o council_n which_o be_v own_v to_o be_v general_n by_o the_o same_o church_n of_o rome_n the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v also_o condemn_v by_o the_o same_o 338._o same_o ibid._n p._n 338._o general_a council_n in_o its_o 55_o canon_n and_o command_v to_o conform_v to_o the_o 65_o canon_n of_o the_o apostle_n from_o which_o they_o have_v scandalous_o depart_v under_o two_o great_a poenalty_n therein_o express_a to_o all_o which_o if_o i_o shall_v add_v how_o the_o 8_o general_a council_n make_v a_o peremptory_a decree_n 977._o decree_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d council_n constant_n iu_o act._n 9_o can._n 3_o edit_n bin._n tom._n 7._o p._n 977._o that_o the_o image_n of_o christ_n be_v to_o be_v worship_v as_o the_o gospel_n of_o god_n that_o whosoever_o adore_n it_o not_o shall_v never_o see_v his_o face_n at_o his_o second_o come_v never_o at_o least_o by_o their_o goodwill_n that_o the_o picture_n of_o angel_n and_o all_o the_o saint_n be_v in_o like_a manner_n to_o be_v adore_v and_o that_o all_o who_o think_v otherwise_o be_v to_o be_v anathematise_v i_o hope_v mr._n cressy_n and_o father_n johnson_n be_v not_o such_o lover_n of_o idolatry_n and_o contradiction_n as_o not_o to_o know_v and_o to_o acknowledge_v the_o fallibility_n of_o their_o church_n in_o a_o general_a council_n and_o as_o on_o the_o one_o side_n their_o steadfast_a belief_n that_o she_o can_v err_v be_v enough_o to_o confirm_v they_o in_o all_o their_o error_n so_o to_o convince_v they_o on_o the_o other_o side_n of_o that_o one_o error_n will_v make_v they_o ready_a both_o to_o see_v and_o renounce_v the_o rest_n that_o it_o may_v seem_v to_o be_v a_o vain_a or_o a_o needless_a thing_n for_o any_o man_n to_o be_v lavish_a of_o time_n or_o labour_n in_o a_o particular_a ventilation_n of_o other_o controvert_v point_n whilst_o this_o of_o infallibility_n remain_n untouched_a or_o undecided_a for_o if_o we_o show_v they_o the_o absurdity_n of_o bread_n and_o wine_n be_v transmute_v into_o the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o christ_n or_o of_o be_v so_o transmute_v into_o human_a flesh_n and_o blood_n as_o to_o retain_v both_o the_o colour_n touch_v and_o taste_v and_o all_o other_o adjunct_n of_o bread_n and_o wine_n or_o of_o its_o so_o begin_v now_o to_o be_v in_o the_o act_n of_o consecration_n the_o numerical_a body_n of_o a_o crucify_a jesus_n as_o to_o have_v be_v the_o very_a same_o under_o pontius_n pilate_n as_o well_o as_o in_o the_o virgin_n be_v womb_n or_o of_o its_o beginning_n to_o be_v as_o often_o and_o of_o as_o many_o several_a age_n as_o the_o priest_n at_o their_o altar_n shall_v please_v to_o make_v it_o or_o of_o its_o be_v the_o same_o body_n whether_o eat_v by_o a_o christian_a or_o by_o a_o dog_n they_o will_v defend_v themselves_o with_o this_o that_o though_o it_o be_v absurd_a and_o impossible_a yet_o it_o be_v necessary_o true_a because_o it_o be_v teach_v by_o that_o church_n which_o can_v deceive_v or_o be_v deceive_v whereas_o if_o once_o we_o can_v convince_v they_o that_o she_o be_v able_a to_o be_v deceive_v who_o have_v teach_v they_o to_o believe_v she_o be_v undeceivable_a and_o that_o in_o matter_n of_o great_a moment_n they_o can_v choose_v but_o disapprove_v and_o forsake_v she_o too_o as_o the_o great_a deceiver_n in_o all_o the_o world_n thus_o i_o have_v do_v what_o you_o desire_v if_o not_o as_o ample_o or_o as_o well_o yet_o at_o least_o as_o my_o time_n or_o my_o want_n of_o time_n rather_o will_v give_v i_o leave_v have_v i_o the_o tithe_n of_o that_o leisure_n i_o once_o enjoy_v i_o may_v have_v long_o ago_o reply_v to_o mr._n cressy_n whole_a book_n which_o i_o can_v hardly_o now_o say_v i_o have_v whole_o read_v nor_o indeed_o do_v i_o intend_v to_o consider_v more_o of_o it_o then_o here_o i_o have_v partly_o because_o i_o be_o inform_v that_o the_o whole_a be_v undertake_v by_o other_o man_n partly_o becaule_v i_o be_o prohibit_v both_o by_o my_o enemy_n and_o my_o friend_n though_o in_o several_a sense_n and_o to_o several_a end_n but_o chief_o because_o i_o be_o forbid_v by_o less-dispensable_a employment_n for_o although_o i_o must_v confess_v i_o think_v the_o task_n very_o easy_a and_o such_o as_o have_v nothing_o in_o it_o of_o difficult_a beside_o the_o length_n which_o mr._n cressy_n misadventure_n will_v make_v unavoidable_a upon_o so_o many_o and_o ample_a subject_n so_o as_o his_o strength_n do_v chief_o lie_v in_o the_o number_n and_o nature_n of_o his_o infirmity_n which_o naked_o to_o observe_v be_v to_o write_v a_o just_a volume_n yet_o suppose_v a_o camel_n already_o load_v with_o the_o maximum_fw-la quod_fw-la sic_fw-la that_o his_o back_n will_v bear_v the_o addition_n of_o a_o feather_n may_v serve_v to_o break_v it_o some_o may_v think_v i_o insufficient_a other_o indulgent_a to_o my_o ease_n and_o i_o be_o as_o careless_a as_o they_o unkind_a but_o i_o have_v witness_n to_o my_o comfort_n both_o within_o and_o without_o i_o and_o god_n above_o be_v my_o witness_n too_o that_o i_o have_v little_a or_o
luke_n 10.16_o we_o say_v first_o this_o seem_v not_o to_o be_v right_o apply_v to_o the_o business_n we_o be_v about_o for_o this_o be_v direct_v not_o to_o the_o governor_n of_o the_o church_n but_o to_o the_o seventy_o disciple_n or_o elder_n which_o be_v send_v by_o christ_n to_o preach_v the_o word_n second_o if_o you_o do_v extend_v it_o to_o the_o representative_a church_n yet_o do_v it_o not_o command_v subjection_n of_o judgement_n always_o to_o whatsoever_o be_v say_v but_o not_o to_o despise_v they_o as_o be_v intimate_v by_o what_o follow_v and_o he_o that_o despise_v you_o despise_v i_o we_o may_v differ_v without_o despise_v and_o three_o if_o you_o will_v from_o hence_o argue_v that_o whatsoever_o be_v determine_v in_o a_o council_n be_v also_o determine_v by_o christ_n than_o honorius_n be_v by_o christ_n determine_v a_o heretic_n as_o you_o may_v see_v in_o the_o practics_n of_o the_o six_o ecumenical_a synod_n as_o nilus_n in_o his_o second_o book_n and_o if_o you_o say_v that_o the_o church_n can_v err_v in_o a_o general_n council_n then_o resolve_v nilus_n the_o reason_n why_o the_o pope_n do_v not_o hear_v a_o general_n council_n for_o if_o that_o general_n council_n do_v not_o err_v as_o by_o your_o argument_n it_o must_v not_o than_o the_o pope_n do_v err_v as_o for_o the_o other_o place_n of_o holy_a scripture_n which_o you_o produce_v of_o christ_n be_v with_o his_o church_n to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o world_n and_o of_o his_o promise_n of_o lead_v his_o church_n into_o all_o truth_n we_o answer_v together_o first_o though_o the_o promise_n be_v extendible_a to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o world_n yet_o it_o be_v not_o necessary_a to_o understand_v it_o so_o as_o that_o there_o shall_v always_o be_v equality_n of_o assistance_n to_o the_o time_n of_o the_o apostle_n which_o be_v hard_o to_o affirm_v since_o we_o can_v say_v that_o there_o be_v such_o necessity_n for_o such_o assistance_n or_o such_o disposition_n in_o the_o governor_n of_o the_o church_n to_o receive_v such_o assistance_n second_o the_o promise_n be_v make_v good_a by_o a_o sufficient_a direction_n of_o the_o church_n to_o their_o end_n of_o happiness_n although_o not_o without_o possibility_n of_o error_n for_o every_o simple_a error_n do_v not_o deprive_v the_o church_n of_o salvation_n and_o then_o it_o may_v also_o recover_v itself_o from_o error_n by_o more_o perusal_n of_o the_o scripture_n but_o if_o it_o may_v at_o all_o err_v it_o have_v not_o the_o property_n of_o a_o ground_n of_o faith_n nor_o a_o just_a capacity_n of_o a_o infallible_a communication_n of_o all_o thing_n which_o be_v to_o be_v believe_v you_o go_v on_o now_o this_o church_n who_o authority_n be_v thus_o warrant_v do_v precede_v the_o scripture_n answ_n warrant_v as_o a_o church_n but_o not_o as_o so_o not_o as_o infallible_a do_v precede_v the_o scripture_n which_o for_o a_o great_a part_n be_v write_v upon_o emergent_a occasion_n as_o you_o say_v answ_n as_o for_o the_o write_n of_o scripture_n and_o the_o emergent_a occasion_n you_o may_v be_v further_o refer_v to_o doctor_n field_n who_o you_o make_v use_v of_o against_o i_o whatsoever_o the_o occasion_n be_v the_o end_n be_v to_o make_v what_o be_v write_v a_o sufficient_a rule_n of_o faith_n and_o manner_n and_o as_o for_o your_o objection_n and_o inference_n upon_o it_o we_o answer_v with_o a_o distinction_n the_o scripture_n be_v considerable_a two_o way_n either_o in_o respect_n to_o the_o substance_n of_o doctrine_n or_o secondary_o in_o respect_n to_o the_o manner_n of_o delivery_n by_o writing_n in_o the_o first_o regard_n the_o scripture_n do_v precede_v the_o church_n for_o the_o church_n be_v beget_v by_o it_o which_o to_o they_o be_v as_o certain_a as_o the_o write_v to_o we_o and_o if_o you_o can_v make_v your_o tradition_n of_o proper_a name_n equal_o certain_a you_o will_v say_v somewhat_o and_o as_o for_o scripture_n that_o which_o be_v write_v do_v bind_v though_o it_o do_v not_o proper_o bind_v as_o write_v you_o say_v that_o the_o church_n be_v call_v the_o pillar_n and_o ground_n of_o truth_n before_o it_o be_v write_v and_o so_o you_o say_v may_v be_v say_v of_o other_o passage_n we_o answer_v as_o that_o place_n express_v it_o do_v not_o appear_v to_o we_o that_o it_o be_v so_o call_v since_o first_o we_o find_v it_o in_o term_n in_o saint_n paul_n epistle_n but_o if_o so_o or_o other_o like_a be_v use_v before_o the_o answer_n before_o will_v serve_v by_o all_o which_o place_n the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n be_v commend_v to_o we_o and_o we_o be_v refer_v to_o the_o church_n as_o a_o guide_n in_o all_o our_o doubt_n so_o you_o say_v and_o so_o we_o say_v where_o be_v the_o adversary_n how_o do_v this_o conclude_v contradictory_o we_o confess_v that_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n be_v commend_v to_o we_o in_o scripture_n but_o not_o direct_o in_o every_o place_n you_o name_n nor_o in_o any_o be_v it_o so_o commend_v to_o we_o as_o to_o ground_v our_o faith_n we_o confess_v we_o be_v refer_v to_o the_o minister_n for_o direction_n and_o to_o the_o governor_n for_o jurisdiction_n yet_o be_v not_o the_o latter_a master_n of_o our_o faith_n unto_o who_o we_o shall_v be_v bind_v in_o a_o blind_a obedience_n of_o universal_a assent_n or_o practice_n we_o take_v their_o advice_n but_o we_o be_v not_o by_o they_o determine_v in_o our_o faith_n we_o may_v believe_v what_o they_o say_v but_o not_o because_o they_o say_v it_o as_o it_o be_v draw_v from_o scripture_n so_o it_o draw_v we_o if_o they_o make_v it_o probable_a that_o it_o be_v so_o because_o they_o say_v it_o yet_o it_o have_v not_o the_o certainty_n of_o faith_n without_o the_o word_n of_o god_n i_o shall_v be_v very_o tender_a of_o incompliance_n with_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n but_o yet_o i_o must_v have_v for_o my_o warrant_n of_o faith_n the_o lord_n say_v and_o although_o there_o be_v no_o appeal_n from_o a_o general_n council_n yet_o have_v they_o no_o infallible_a judgement_n you_o proceed_v even_o the_o scripture_n itself_o be_v believe_v upon_o the_o tradition_n and_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n answer_v this_o be_v touch_v before_o in_o the_o case_n of_o saint_n austin_n and_o it_o be_v in_o effect_n answer_v as_o before_o by_z doctor_z field_n indeed_o we_o take_v the_o canonical_a book_n by_o tradition_n from_o the_o church_n but_o we_o do_v not_o take_v they_o to_o be_v canonical_a by_o tradition_n from_o the_o church_n the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n move_v i_o as_o to_o the_o negative_a not_o to_o dissent_v but_o assent_n be_v settle_v to_o they_o as_o such_o in_o the_o way_n of_o faith_n because_o they_o be_v such_o in_o thy_o light_n we_o shall_v see_v light_a as_o the_o psalmist_n speak_v psalm_n 36.9_o or_o by_o thy_o light_n so_o by_o scripture_n we_o see_v scripture_n next_o follow_v the_o expostulation_n which_o may_v be_v put_v into_o this_o discourse_n either_o we_o ground_n our_o belief_n upon_o the_o church_n or_o upon_o our_o own_o fancy_n and_o private_a interpretation_n of_o scripture_n etc._n etc._n answer_v we_o deny_v your_o disjunction_n we_o ground_n our_o belief_n neither_o upon_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n as_o you_o nor_o upon_o fancy_n neither_o as_o some_o have_v do_v who_o have_v be_v better_a friend_n to_o roman_n than_o they_o have_v be_v to_o we_o as_o doctor_n whitaker_n tell_v campian_n upon_o a_o like_a imputation_n of_o anabaptastical_a fancy_n we_o differ_v from_o you_o because_o we_o allow_v to_o private_a christian_n a_o judgement_n of_o discretion_n or_o discern_v which_o sure_o be_v commend_v in_o that_o precept_n prove_v all_o thing_n in_o the_o first_o epistle_n to_o the_o thessalonian_o 5.21_o we_o differ_v from_o those_o who_o magnify_v their_o private_a interpretation_n because_o we_o say_v they_o shall_v be_v direct_v by_o their_o minister_n and_o order_v by_o the_o bishop_n the_o pastor_n of_o the_o church_n chief_o when_o they_o be_v assemble_v in_o a_o general_n council_n wherein_o be_v the_o high_a power_n of_o oyer_n and_o terminer_n as_o we_o may_v speak_v of_o hear_v and_o end_v difference_n in_o the_o church_n yet_o we_o can_v say_v that_o we_o be_v absolute_o bind_v unto_o their_o canon_n we_o have_v the_o judgement_n of_o private_a discretion_n and_o they_o not_o the_o judgement_n of_o infallibility_n and_o if_o you_o can_v say_v that_o they_o be_v absolute_o without_o any_o doubt_n but_o true_a without_o doubt_n we_o can_v say_v that_o we_o shall_v not_o absolute_o believe_v they_o every_o possible_a defect_n of_o certainty_n in_o the_o object_n exclude_v faith_n the_o certainty_n whereof_o admit_v no_o falsity_n therefore_o can_v we_o not_o present_o yield_v or_o assent_v to_o whatsoever_o be_v by_o they_o define_v
and_o very_o comfortable_o for_o the_o vulgar_a sort_n of_o less_o learned_a people_n who_o make_v the_o great_a number_n of_o soul_n in_o the_o world_n by_o those_o clear_a word_n of_o the_o prophet_n esay_n c._n 35._o say_v to_o the_o fainthearted_a take_v courage_n and_o fear_v not_o behold_v god_n himself_o will_v come_v and_o save_v you_o then_o shall_v the_o eye_n of_o the_o blind_a be_v open_v and_o the_o ear_n of_o the_o deaf_a shall_v be_v open_v and_o there_o shall_v be_v a_o path_n and_o a_o way_n and_o it_o shall_v be_v call_v the_o holy_a way_n and_o this_o shall_v be_v unto_o you_o a_o direct_a way_n so_o that_o fool_n can_v err_v by_o it_o by_o this_o place_n it_o be_v evident_o prove_v that_o the_o way_n which_o our_o saviour_n at_o his_o come_n will_v teach_v we_o shall_v be_v not_o only_o in_o itself_o but_o as_o the_o prophet_n say_v shall_v be_v to_o we_o a_o direct_a way_n so_o that_o fool_n can_v err_v by_o it_o let_v there_o arise_v never_o so_o many_o controversy_n in_o religion_n let_v there_o spring_v up_o never_o so_o many_o sect_n yet_o the_o promise_n of_o god_n will_v stand_v that_o our_o saviour_n at_o his_o come_n shall_v show_v we_o a_o holy_a way_n which_o shall_v be_v unto_o we_o so_o direct_v a_o way_n that_o fool_n can_v err_v by_o it_o what_o holy_a way_n be_v this_o i_o say_v it_o be_v the_o holy_a catholic_n church_n which_o even_o by_o this_o place_n be_v prove_v infallible_a a_o way_n so_o direct_a unto_o we_o that_o fool_n can_v err_v by_o it_o but_o even_o wise_a man_n may_v err_v by_o it_o and_o by_o follow_v it_o most_o faithful_o if_o this_o way_n can_v be_v fallible_a and_o lead_v man_n into_o error_n and_o those_o damnable_a to_o our_o purpose_n then_o all_o christian_n of_o whatsoever_o religion_n they_o be_v agree_v in_o this_o that_o there_o must_v be_v one_o judge_n of_o all_o controversy_n and_o doubt_n which_o either_o be_v or_o can_v be_v in_o religion_n the_o reason_n be_v apparent_a because_o otherwise_o every_o man_n may_v be_v leave_v free_a to_o believe_v what_o he_o judge_v best_a and_o so_o we_o shall_v have_v as_o many_o religion_n as_o there_o be_v private_a and_o different_a judgement_n for_o if_o you_o in_o private_a without_o all_o fault_n may_v follow_v your_o own_o judgement_n even_o after_o read_v of_o scripture_n and_o believe_v that_o to_o be_v true_a which_o out_o of_o scripture_n you_o think_v true_a why_o may_v not_o i_o though_o i_o judge_v quite_o contrary_a to_o you_o believe_v that_o also_o to_o be_v true_a which_o i_o think_v to_o be_v true_a according_a to_o the_o scripture_n whence_o you_o see_v that_o christ_n shall_v have_v leave_v a_o very_a miserable_a church_n and_o shall_v have_v gather_v together_o a_o most_o heart-disunited_n sort_n of_o people_n if_o after_o their_o read_n of_o scripture_n he_o have_v leave_v they_o no_o other_o judge_n but_o their_o own_o private_a judgement_n what_o lawmaker_n be_v ever_o so_o inconsiderate_a as_o to_o leave_v only_o a_o book_n of_o law_n to_o his_o commonwealth_n without_o any_o live_a judge_n to_o who_o judgement_n all_o be_v to_o submit_v true_a it_o be_v that_o to_o submit_v exterior_o to_o temporal_a judge_n be_v sufficient_a they_o be_v able_a and_o only_a to_o judge_v of_o the_o exterior_a man._n but_o god_n who_o search_v the_o rein_n and_o the_o heart_n and_o who_o look_v most_o upon_o the_o mind_n which_o be_v the_o seat_n of_o true_a or_o false_a belief_n do_v chief_o exact_a that_o those_o of_o his_o church_n be_v of_o one_o faith_n interior_o or_o else_o they_o be_v not_o of_o one_o faith_n for_o faith_n essential_o consist_v in_o the_o interior_a judgement_n he_o have_v all_o reason_n to_o exact_v they_o be_v of_o one_o faith_n for_o he_o can_v not_o serious_o desire_v their_o salvation_n without_o he_o require_v of_o they_o to_o do_v that_o which_o be_v so_o whole_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n that_o without_o it_o no_o man_n be_v save_v for_o without_o faith_n it_o be_v impossible_a to_o please_v god_n heb._n 11.6_o that_o be_v it_o be_v impossible_a to_o please_v he_o without_o true_a faith_n for_o he_o be_v not_o please_v with_o false_a faith_n but_o without_o we_o please_v god_n it_o be_v impossible_a to_o be_v save_v therefore_o without_o true_a faith_n which_o consist_v in_o the_o interior_a judgement_n it_o be_v impossible_a to_o be_v save_v and_o st._n paul_n ephes_n 4.5_o teach_v we_o that_o there_o be_v but_o one_o faith_n one_o baptism_n and_o one_o god_n there_o be_v but_o one_o faith_n and_o it_o be_v impossible_a to_o please_v god_n without_o this_o one_o faith_n and_o all_o thing_n necessary_a to_o please_v god_n be_v under_o precept_n and_o of_o most_o strict_a obligation_n it_o follow_v that_o it_o be_v a_o precept_n and_o a_o strict_a obligation_n to_o have_v this_o faith_n which_o chief_o and_o essential_o consist_v in_o the_o interior_n judgement_n this_o i_o press_v so_o hard_o because_o my_o adversary_n have_v a_o doctrine_n which_o i_o take_v to_o be_v exceed_o pernicious_a for_o he_o say_v pag._n 26._o answ_n 5._o we_o say_v they_o shall_v be_v direct_v by_o their_o minister_n and_o order_v by_o bishop_n the_o pastor_n of_o the_o church_n chief_o when_o they_o be_v assemble_v in_o a_o general_n council_n wherein_o be_v the_o high_a power_n of_o hear_v and_o end_v difference_n in_o the_o church_n yet_o we_o can_v say_v that_o we_o be_v absolute_o bind_v to_o their_o canon_n we_o have_v the_o judgement_n of_o private_a discretion_n and_o they_o not_o the_o judgement_n of_o infallibility_n and_o therefore_o since_o they_o have_v not_o a_o power_n not_o to_o err_v we_o have_v a_o power_n to_o suspend_v our_o faith_n etc._n etc._n by_o these_o and_o many_o other_o word_n use_v to_o this_o effect_n you_o see_v here_o this_o judgement_n of_o private_a discretion_n leave_v free_a in_o the_o interior_a to_o hold_v what_o a_o private_a person_n think_v fit_a after_o perusal_n of_o the_o scripture_n although_o a_o whole_a general_n council_n think_v and_o most_o unanimous_o define_v the_o contrary_a even_o after_o they_o have_v hear_v and_o most_o diligent_o weigh_v and_o ponder_v the_o same_o place_n of_o scripture_n good_a god_n be_v that_o thy_o promise_n of_o a_o holy_a way_n that_o shall_v be_v to_o we_o a_o direct_a way_n that_o fool_n can_v err_v by_o it_o yea_o be_v not_o the_o wise_a man_n in_o the_o world_n most_o likely_a to_o err_v in_o this_o way_n by_o which_o he_o may_v in_o his_o interior_n judgement_n go_v quite_o contrary_a to_o all_o christendom_n i_o know_v indeed_o that_o all_o who_o be_v not_o roman_a catholic_n must_v say_v this_o for_o if_o the_o church_n in_o a_o general_n council_n be_v fallible_a than_o we_o can_v ground_v one_o 〈◊〉_d upon_o that_o counsel_n definition_n but_o even_o by_o this_o desperate_a consequence_n it_o be_v evident_a that_o god_n will_v give_v his_o church_n aâ—_n infallible_a assistance_n so_o to_o make_v good_a his_o promise_n of_o leave_v to_o they_o a_o holy_a way_n which_o shall_v be_v unto_o they_o a_o direct_a way_n so_o that_o fool_n can_v err_v by_o it_o for_o any_o man_n of_o mean_a capacity_n can_v err_v if_o he_o will_v submit_v his_o judgement_n to_o the_o catholic_n church_n whereas_o any_o man_n of_o never_o so_o great_a a_o judgement_n can_v but_o be_v high_o suspect_v of_o error_n and_o deep_o guilty_a of_o expose_v himself_o to_o manifest_a hazard_n of_o err_v in_o that_o faith_n without_o which_o it_o be_v impossible_a to_o please_v god_n when_o he_o do_v not_o submit_v his_o interior_n judgement_n to_o the_o know_a unanimous_a judgement_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n st._n cyprian_n be_v a_o prime_a doctor_n of_o the_o church_n and_o yet_o ground_v himself_o upon_o that_o which_o he_o judge_v to_o be_v scripture_n as_o appear_v by_o his_o first_o book_n ep._n 6._o and_o other_o place_n he_o do_v err_v gross_o about_o the_o necessity_n of_o rebaptise_v those_o who_o have_v be_v baptize_v by_o heretic_n but_o say_v st._n austin_n l._n 2._o de_fw-fr bapt._n c._n 4._o if_o he_o have_v live_v to_o see_v the_o determination_n of_o a_o plenary_a council_n he_o will_v for_o his_o great_a humility_n and_o charity_n straightway_o have_v yield_v and_o prefer_v the_o general_n council_n before_o his_o own_o judgement_n thus_o speak_v s._n austin_n of_o s._n cyprian_n though_o he_o know_v his_o private_a judgement_n of_o discretion_n to_o be_v far_o less_o expose_v in_o this_o case_n to_o hazard_v of_o err_v then_o be_v the_o private_a judgement_n of_o discretion_n of_o most_o private_a man_n in_o the_o world_n especial_o when_o they_o go_v pointblank_o against_o a_o whole_a general_n council_n in_o point_n of_o high_a concernment_n than_o be_v this_o point_n in_o which_o s._n cyprian_n
arise_v from_o time_n to_o time_n and_o who_o can_v hear_v i_o and_o you_o and_o be_v hear_v by_o i_o and_o you_o that_o neither_o i_o nor_o you_o can_v doubt_v of_o the_o true_a meaning_n of_o this_o church_n or_o if_o we_o doubt_v we_o can_v propose_v our_o doubt_n and_o she_o will_v tell_v we_o clear_o her_o meaning_n whereas_o the_o bible_n &c._n &c._n can_v do_v so_o this_o have_v in_o it_o somewhat_o new_a your_o discourse_n in_o brief_a may_v be_v under_o this_o form_n that_o which_o can_v hear_v you_o and_o i_o and_o be_v hear_v by_o you_o and_o i_o and_o resolve_v doubt_n of_o its_o meaning_n be_v the_o judge_n the_o church_n can_v do_v thus_o the_o scripture_n not_o therefore_o the_o church_n be_v the_o judge_n and_o not_o the_o scripture_n we_o easy_o answer_v if_o you_o understand_v the_o proposition_n of_o a_o formal_a judge_n so_o we_o grant_v it_o and_o do_v not_o say_v the_o scripture_n be_v the_o judge_n but_o if_o you_o mean_v it_o so_o that_o nothing_o can_v be_v in_o any_o kind_a a_o judge_n but_o that_o which_o do_v so_o we_o deny_v it_o and_o your_o assumption_n too_o for_o the_o law_n be_v in_o its_o kind_n the_o judge_n and_o so_o may_v the_o scripture_n be_v as_o i_o have_v show_v before_o in_o this_o paper_n and_o unless_o the_o ecclesiastic_a judge_n whereof_o we_o do_v not_o reject_v a_o lawful_a and_o good_a use_n do_v right_o declare_v scripture_n in_o the_o application_n of_o it_o to_o particular_a cause_n wherein_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n as_o some_o of_o your_o man_n will_v sometime_o say_v do_v consist_v i_o can_v possible_o hold_v myself_o bind_v in_o conscience_n to_o yield_v my_o judgement_n thereunto_o so_o then_o second_o unless_o you_o put_v into_o the_o premise_n that_o that_o which_o hear_v you_o and_o i_o and_o be_v hear_v by_o you_o and_o i_o be_v the_o infallible_a judge_n and_o then_o that_o the_o church_n do_v so_o your_o discourse_n be_v peccant_a in_o the_o ignorance_n of_o the_o elench_v for_o so_o we_o grant_v all_o as_o to_o the_o church_n for_o this_o may_v stand_v with_o our_o cause_n but_o if_o you_o do_v put_v in_o infallibility_n we_o deny_v both_o the_o one_o and_o the_o other_o preposition_n three_o by_o this_o argument_n you_o exclude_v tradition_n from_o be_v the_o judge_n for_o do_v that_o hear_v you_o and_o i_o be_v that_o hear_v by_o you_o and_o i_o but_o you_o say_v the_o church_n do_v determine_v hereby_o then_o may_v it_o determine_v by_o scripture_n more_o secure_o and_o more_o universal_o four_o be_v not_o the_o heretic_n saint_n paul_n speak_v of_o in_o his_o three_o chapter_n to_o titus_n the_o 10.11_o verse_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d condemn_v by_o himself_o or_o of_o himself_o how_o that_o not_o by_o principle_n of_o natural_a knowledge_n for_o theology_n be_v supernatural_a and_o therefore_o need_v a_o revelation_n of_o it_o from_o god_n you_o know_v not_o by_o a_o revelation_n immediate_a extra_n scripturam_fw-la for_o then_o how_o shall_v he_o be_v condemn_v of_o himself_o not_o by_o any_o definition_n of_o the_o church_n which_o be_v not_o then_o sufficient_o form_v thereunto_o no_o nor_o yet_o by_o titus_n because_o then_o as_o before_o he_o have_v not_o be_v condemn_v by_o himself_o then_o he_o be_v condemn_v by_o himself_o because_o he_o have_v in_o he_o the_o principle_n of_o the_o word_n of_o god_n which_o he_o gainsay_v by_o his_o contrary_a error_n so_o that_o it_o remain_v he_o be_v condemn_v by_o the_o law_n of_o god_n and_o therefore_o that_o can_v judge_v you_o and_o i_o not_o external_o and_o by_o voice_n but_o internal_o by_o virtue_n of_o conscience_n which_o can_v and_o do_v and_o shall_v apply_v the_o truth_n of_o god_n to_o the_o censure_n and_o condemn_v of_o error_n in_o we_o so_o that_o this_o scripture_n it_o be_v or_o the_o word_n of_o god_n which_o pass_v sentence_n in_o the_o interior_a judgement_n as_o you_o speak_v and_o this_o absolve_v some_o who_o in_o the_o outward_a court_n be_v condemn_v and_o condemn_v some_o who_o in_o the_o outward_a court_n be_v not_o condemn_v and_o therefore_o it_o be_v not_o only_o lawful_a but_o necessary_a for_o we_o sometime_o to_o dissent_v in_o our_o judgement_n because_o they_o may_v err_v in_o their_o dijudication_n and_o as_o much_o your_o own_o reason_n suggest_v in_o your_o 21._o number_n wherein_o you_o acknowledge_v it_o to_o be_v necessary_a that_o there_o shall_v be_v infallibility_n in_o the_o judge_n of_o faith_n and_o than_o you_o will_v state_n or_o estate_n this_o infallibility_n of_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n thus_o that_o a_o pope_n define_v with_o a_o lawful_a general_n council_n can_v err_v for_o it_o be_v no_o necessary_a article_n of_o faith_n to_o believe_v that_o the_o pope_n or_o head_n of_o the_o church_n can_v err_v when_o he_o define_v without_o a_o general_n council_n so_o you_o alas_o sir_n what_o caution_n do_v you_o stand_v in_o need_n of_o in_o this_o grand_a and_o capital_a and_o comprehensive_a controversy_n which_o afford_v i_o liberty_n to_o think_v that_o that_o be_v not_o the_o ground_n of_o catholic_a faith_n which_o be_v intricate_v with_o so_o many_o wind_n and_o guard_v with_o such_o accurateness_n of_o caution_n that_o render_v it_o very_o suspicious_a and_o therefore_o not_o to_o be_v plain_a and_o a_o direct_a way_n so_o that_o fool_n can_v err_v for_o who_o can_v be_v certain_a by_o a_o divine_a faith_n of_o the_o lawfullness_n and_o regularitie_n of_o your_o pope_n in_o his_o creation_n and_o when_o there_o be_v pope_n against_o pope_n who_o of_o the_o people_n can_v distinguish_v the_o right_a and_o this_o be_v now_o possible_a because_o then_o in_o facto_fw-la and_o who_o then_o can_v decide_v the_o question_n for_o the_o infallible_a judge_n you_o say_v be_v your_o pope_n with_o a_o council_n which_o of_o they_o can_v then_o determine_v it_o and_o in_o his_o own_o cause_n or_o can_v your_o council_n determine_v it_o without_o a_o pope_n but_o i_o hope_v your_o infallible_a determination_n can_v not_o be_v without_o the_o head_n of_o the_o church_n and_o who_o according_a to_o your_o doctrine_n shall_v call_v the_o council_n for_o you_o say_v that_o power_n be_v vest_v in_o the_o pope_n well_o suppose_v no_o doubt_n of_o the_o legalitie_n of_o the_o pope_n how_o shall_v we_o by_o a_o divine_a faith_n come_v to_o be_v assure_v of_o the_o lawfulness_n and_o generality_n of_o a_o council_n for_o you_o know_v ecclesiastical_a history_n be_v full_a of_o instance_n of_o council_n which_o be_v call_v by_o the_o emperor_n and_o not_o by_o pope_n to_o who_o you_o say_v it_o do_v of_o due_a belong_v to_o call_v council_n else_o they_o be_v not_o lawful_a and_o how_o shall_v we_o know_v whether_o every_o one_o of_o the_o council_n have_v a_o free_a election_n to_o it_o and_o a_o free_a decisive_a vote_n in_o it_o how_o much_o of_o faction_n may_v be_v look_v for_o in_o a_o council_n when_o there_o be_v so_o much_o in_o the_o election_n of_o a_o pope_n such_o exclusion_n such_o bandying_n what_o council_n be_v ever_o call_v by_o a_o pope_n wherein_o religion_n be_v not_o make_v to_o serve_v his_o interest_n be_v not_o he_o who_o have_v power_n of_o prefer_v like_a to_o domineer_v in_o such_o consultation_n and_o how_o shall_v ignorant_a soul_n be_v divine_o persuade_v that_o the_o council_n iâ—_n general_n if_o it_o be_v easy_a to_o discern_v it_o than_o have_v your_o trenâ—_n council_n great_a infelicity_n to_o be_v so_o contradict_v by_o the_o french_a catholic_n and_o how_o many_o bishop_n in_o the_o trent_n council_n furnish_v with_o a_o title_n to_o overpower_v they_o with_o vote_n on_o the_o pope_n behalf_n so_o that_o he_o answer_v well_o who_o say_v about_o the_o question_n which_o be_v superior_a a_o pope_n or_o a_o council_n a_o pope_n be_v like_a to_o have_v the_o more_o voice_n because_o he_o can_v confer_v bishopric_n a_o council_n not_o what_o clue_n can_v a_o collier_n have_v infallible_o to_o guide_v he_o through_o all_o those_o labyrinth_n second_o if_o the_o infallible_a judge_n of_o faith_n be_v the_o pope_n with_o a_o lawful_a general_n council_n how_o be_v the_o church_n provide_v for_o when_o for_o so_o many_o year_n there_o be_v neither_o pope_n in_o your_o sense_n nor_o any_o council_n three_o if_o the_o pope_n and_o the_o council_n do_v differ_v about_o a_o question_n what_o shall_v be_v do_v in_o that_o case_n yet_o if_o the_o question_n be_v which_o be_v superior_a to_o the_o other_o the_o pope_n or_o the_o council_n what_o shall_v be_v joint_o agree_v and_o be_v not_o this_o a_o main_a question_n between_o the_o sorbonist_n and_o other_o four_o if_o the_o pope_n with_o a_o lawful_a general_n council_n be_v the_o infallible_a judge_n then_o how_o will_v this_o be_v reconcile_v
god_n wise_a dispensation_n to_o his_o church_n then_o when_o there_o be_v no_o word_n write_v he_o will_v provide_v that_o that_o whereby_o the_o church_n shall_v be_v rule_v shall_v be_v extraordinary_o convey_v and_o preserve_v but_o now_o when_o there_o be_v a_o word_n write_v which_o be_v a_o most_o sufficient_a ground_n of_o faith_n as_o you_o confess_v there_o be_v no_o such_o cause_n of_o any_o word_n beside_o it_o if_o the_o scripture_n be_v a_o rule_n of_o faith_n as_o you_o do_v liberal_o grant_v than_o this_o be_v now_o a_o rule_n not_o only_o inclusive_o but_o exclusive_o for_o otherwise_o it_o be_v not_o as_o large_a as_o that_o which_o be_v to_o be_v rule_v and_o then_o they_o will_v not_o agree_v in_o the_o nature_n of_o relative_n and_o so_o it_o will_v not_o be_v a_o rule_n of_o faith_n and_o manner_n for_o indeed_o the_o property_n of_o a_o rule_n do_v not_o only_o exclude_v less_o but_o also_o more_o it_o speak_v against_o add_v to_o it_o as_o a_o rule_n of_o faith_n and_o manner_n necessary_a in_o themselves_o as_o well_o as_o against_o the_o negative_a of_o not_o order_v they_o by_o it_o but_o then_o again_o your_o former_a reason_n be_v inconcludent_a because_o god_n reveal_v himself_o to_o his_o church_n several_o before_o he_o reveal_v himself_o by_o his_o church_n and_o therefore_o this_o be_v not_o the_o way_n universal_o hold_v namely_o by_o the_o church_n even_o before_o the_o scripture_n be_v write_v and_o therefore_o much_o less_o do_v it_o now_o bound_v when_o the_o word_n of_o god_n be_v write_v show_v the_o like_a inspiration_n to_o the_o church_n as_o the_o prophet_n have_v by_o some_o infallible_a way_n and_o then_o we_o shall_v say_v that_o thus_o say_v the_o lord_n absolute_o undisputed_o without_o possibility_n of_o contradiction_n by_o the_o mouth_n of_o the_o church_n in_o whatsoever_o it_o please_v to_o assert_v for_o the_o truth_n of_o god_n to_o be_v believe_v equal_o to_o scripture_n and_o then_o a_o council_n be_v to_o be_v believe_v without_o scripture_n as_o the_o nicene_n you_o mean_v be_v not_o believe_v or_o to_o be_v believe_v without_o for_o it_o do_v determine_v by_o it_o and_o by_o that_o text_n i_o name_v i_o and_o my_o father_n be_v one_o which_o saint_n athanasius_n do_v apply_v to_o that_o question_n four_o time_n in_o that_o epistle_n you_o name_v and_o if_o you_o can_v prove_v that_o saint_n peter_n successor_n as_o you_o imagine_v have_v that_o transient_a gift_n of_o immediate_a revelation_n as_o saint_n peter_n have_v than_o you_o may_v say_v peter_n speak_v by_o the_o mouth_n of_o leo_n as_o infallible_o as_o god_n speak_v by_o he_o then_o the_o arrian_n have_v as_o good_a a_o plea_n for_o their_o opinion_n as_o athanasius_n have_v for_o they_o urge_v the_o council_n of_o ariminum_n and_o more_o council_n as_o athanasius_n mention_n in_o the_o same_o epistle_n if_o what_o be_v say_v by_o the_o church_n must_v be_v true_a than_o athanasius_n must_v have_v change_v his_o opinion_n or_o if_o you_o will_v have_v always_o the_o pope_n to_o be_v put_v into_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n for_o a_o infallible_a definition_n bind_v the_o conscience_n of_o all_o christian_n to_o believe_v it_o as_o gospel_n then_o must_v we_o believe_v that_o what_o he_o define_v be_v infallible_o true_a what_o because_o he_o can_v err_v no_o more_o than_o those_o forty_o pope_n which_o bellarmin_n speak_v of_o in_o his_o four_o book_n de_fw-fr rom._n pontif._n from_o the_o 8._o chapter_n to_o the_o 15._o who_o have_v be_v as_o he_o say_v accuse_v of_o error_n and_o some_o whereof_z none_o can_v say_v that_o all_o the_o distinction_n and_o provision_n which_o have_v be_v devise_v for_o this_o purpose_n can_v possible_o justify_v pope_n zephyrine_n a_o montanist_n than_o he_o err_v if_o not_o a_o montanist_n than_o tertullian_n be_v not_o to_o be_v believe_v liberius_n as_o before_o a_o arrian_n so_o athanasius_n so_o jerome_n so_o damasus_n of_o he_o and_o damasus_n can_v not_o err_v as_o you_o hold_v yet_o a_o arrian_n be_v sure_o in_o error_n be_v he_o not_o honorius_n be_v erroneous_a too_o and_o he_o speak_v of_o in_o a_o former_a paper_n he_o a_o monothelite_n as_o melchior_n canus_n say_v some_o catholic_n hold_v and_o he_o prove_v it_o by_o synod_n the_o six_o the_o seven_o the_o eight_o and_o he_o prove_v it_o by_o epistle_n of_o pope_n if_o all_o there_o be_v deceive_v how_o shall_v we_o believe_v authority_n of_o man_n as_o for_o gregory_n the_o three_o bellarmin_n in_o the_o 12._o chapter_n of_o that_o book_n do_v open_o say_v well_fw-mi certe_fw-la pontificem_fw-la ex_fw-la ignorantia_fw-la lapsum_fw-la esse_fw-la quod_fw-la posse_fw-la pontificibus_fw-la accidere_fw-la non_fw-la negamus_fw-la so_o he_o then_o do_v you_o reconcile_v error_n by_o ignorance_n with_o infallibility_n how_o be_v he_o like_v to_o be_v infallible_a in_o all_o his_o definition_n when_o he_o be_v ignorant_a in_o the_o gospel_n and_o therefore_o give_v a_o dispensation_n to_o a_o man_n to_o take_v another_o wife_n if_o the_o former_a have_v a_o disease_n that_o make_v she_o not_o able_a for_o the_o conjugal_a debt_n and_o alphonsus_n de_fw-fr castro_n in_o his_o 1._o book_n 4._o chapter_n have_v this_o passage_n omnis_fw-la enim_fw-la homo_fw-la errare_fw-la potest_fw-la in_o fide_fw-la etiam_fw-la si_fw-la papa_n sit_fw-la nam_fw-la de_fw-la liberio_fw-la à _fw-fr papa_n constat_fw-la fuisse_fw-la arrianum_n et_fw-la anasterium_fw-la papam_fw-la fuvisse_fw-la nestorianis_fw-la qui_fw-la historias_fw-la legerit_fw-la non_fw-la dubitat_fw-la and_o a_o little_a after_o nam_fw-la cum_fw-la constet_fw-la plures_fw-la eorum_fw-la adeo_fw-la illiteratos_fw-la esse_fw-la ut_fw-la grammaticam_fw-la penitus_fw-la ignorent_fw-la qui_fw-la fit_a ut_fw-la sacras_fw-la literas_fw-la interpretari_fw-la possent_fw-la and_o how_o then_o shall_v we_o by_o your_o head_n of_o the_o church_n or_o any_o other_o several_o or_o together_o know_v the_o undoubted_a sense_n of_o scripture_n infallible_o but_o many_o necessary_a place_n of_o scripture_n do_v not_o as_o you_o imagine_v need_v a_o judge_n or_o not_o infallible_a all_o thing_n also_o necessary_a to_o be_v believe_v be_v set_v down_o in_o scripture_n and_o the_o contrary_a you_o have_v not_o show_v and_o therefore_o be_v there_o no_o need_n of_o a_o infallible_a judge_n for_o the_o former_a or_o tradition_n for_o the_o latter_a as_o i_o have_v show_v nevertheless_o you_o proceed_v thus_o the_o revelation_n of_o god_n come_v to_o we_o in_o all_o these_o case_n by_o the_o church_n you_o by_o your_o own_o word_n in_o this_o place_n must_v grant_v her_o authority_n to_o be_v our_o ordinary_a cause_n of_o faith_n so_o you_o answer_n as_o you_o suppose_v much_o for_o your_o advantage_n without_o colour_n of_o reason_n so_o you_o confound_v much_o without_o distinction_n first_o the_o term_n revelation_n have_v two_o respect_n one_o to_o the_o agent_n and_o so_o it_o refer_v to_o the_o act_n and_o manner_n thereof_o another_o to_o the_o matter_n of_o that_o which_o be_v reveal_v that_o be_v the_o object_n the_o revelation_n of_o god_n take_v it_o passive_o for_o the_o object_n the_o matter_n which_o be_v reveal_v come_v to_o we_o by_o the_o church_n because_o the_o word_n write_v ordinary_o come_v to_o we_o by_o the_o church_n but_o take_v revelation_n of_o god_n active_o with_o respect_n to_o the_o manner_n to_o bear_v your_o sense_n that_o god_n do_v reveal_v himself_o infallible_o by_o the_o church_n either_o in_o the_o case_n of_o canonical_a book_n or_o of_o doubt_n about_o the_o sense_n of_o scripture_n so_o it_o do_v not_o come_v by_o the_o church_n and_o therefore_o be_v it_o not_o the_o ordinary_a cause_n of_o faith_n which_o must_v rely_v upon_o infallible_a verity_n as_o aquinas_n speak_v in_o his_o first_o part_n first_o question_n eight_o answer_n and_o therefore_o as_o before_o do_v rely_v upon_o the_o revelation_n make_v to_o the_o apostle_n and_o prophet_n which_o write_v the_o canonical_a book_n and_o not_o then_o upon_o the_o church_n who_o be_v bind_v to_o receive_v these_o book_n and_o to_o communicate_v they_o so_o that_o the_o church_n be_v conclude_v to_o be_v as_o a_o instrument_n only_o or_o a_o motive_n of_o this_o faith_n a_o instrument_n by_o its_o office_n and_o a_o motive_n by_o its_o authority_n and_o as_o for_o declare_v undoubted_o the_o sense_n of_o scripture_n so_o be_v there_o not_o any_o necessity_n of_o a_o judge_n infallible_a which_o you_o will_v have_v the_o church_n to_o be_v second_o you_o suppose_v that_o which_o be_v not_o to_o be_v suppose_v that_o by_o my_o word_n since_o in_o those_o case_n the_o revelation_n of_o god_n come_v to_o we_o by_o the_o church_n i_o must_v grant_v her_o authority_n to_o be_v the_o ordinary_a cause_n of_o faith_n and_o you_o say_v also_o that_o by_o my_o word_n in_o this_o place_n i_o must_v grant_v so_o sure_o you_o here_o do_v commit_v
christian_n or_o any_o word_n of_o the_o new_a scripture_n be_v write_v the_o meaning_n of_o st._n paul_n be_v that_o a_o heretic_n may_v if_o he_o will_v clear_o see_v his_o private_a doctrine_n to_o be_v opposite_a to_o the_o know_a public_a doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n which_o church_n then_o shine_v with_o the_o glory_n of_o infinite_a miracle_n stupendous_a conversion_n and_o most_o eminent_a sanctity_n and_o be_v then_o form_v most_o complete_o with_o all_o thing_n necessary_a to_o infallible_a direction_n to_o the_o true_a faith_n yea_o you_o will_v say_v she_o be_v then_o more_o complete_o furnish_v to_o that_o end_n then_o ever_o she_o be_v since_o that_o time_n 49._o now_o because_o your_o chief_n exception_n against_o the_o church_n be_v our_o judge_n be_v that_o you_o hold_v she_o not_o infallible_a beside_o all_o the_o proof_n i_o have_v already_o bring_v of_o her_o infallibility_n i_o shall_v now_o add_v divers_a more_o but_o in_o the_o first_o place_n i_o must_v a_o little_a more_o full_o tell_v you_o what_o we_o understand_v by_o the_o name_n of_o the_o church_n he_o who_o be_v a_o seeker_n of_o his_o religion_n must_v first_o believe_v the_o universal_a church_n diffuse_v to_o be_v furnish_v by_o god_n with_o true_a infallible_a mean_n to_o direct_v we_o secure_o in_o all_o doubt_n of_o faith_n wherefore_o he_o most_o prudent_o judge_v himself_o bind_v to_o join_v himself_o to_o she_o in_o faith_n be_v convince_v that_o she_o direct_v most_o secure_o in_o faith_n be_v thus_o also_o a_o seeker_n resolve_v to_o join_v to_o these_o true_a believer_n when_o he_o proceed_v further_a to_o take_v a_o particular_a account_n in_o who_o this_o infallible_a mean_n give_v to_o the_o church_n universal_a of_o direct_v all_o secure_o in_o matter_n of_o faith_n do_v consist_v he_o will_v ready_o find_v that_o it_o do_v not_o consist_v in_o all_o the_o member_n of_o the_o universal_a church_n for_o child_n and_o woman_n be_v of_o the_o church_n and_o yet_o their_o vote_n in_o no_o man_n opinion_n be_v require_v to_o the_o decide_v any_o controversy_n in_o faith_n the_o laiety_n also_o have_v no_o decisive_a voice_n in_o those_o point_n nor_o every_o inferior_a clergy_n man_n but_o only_o such_o as_o be_v prelate_n overseer_n and_o governor_n over_o the_o rest_n so_o that_o in_o fine_a this_o infallible_a direction_n be_v unanimous_o affirm_v by_o we_o all_o to_o be_v undoubted_o settle_v upon_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o prime_a pastor_n &_o prelate_n of_o the_o church_n assemble_v together_o in_o a_o lawful_a general_a council_n with_o their_o chief_a pastor_n and_o head_n the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n against_o a_o thing_n so_o easy_o to_o be_v understand_v you_o cry_v out_o aloud_o of_o strange_a intricatenesse_n and_o inextricable_a proceed_n and_o yet_o i_o think_v most_o clown_n of_o this_o land_n do_v easy_o understand_v what_o be_v mean_v by_o a_o decree_n of_o the_o kingdom_n to_o the_o which_o the_o consent_n of_o king_n and_o kingdom_n assemble_v in_o parliament_n as_o the_o custom_n be_v for_o many_o year_n together_o be_v require_v now_o what_o more_o difficulty_n be_v there_o to_o know_v what_o we_o mean_v by_o a_o decree_n or_o definition_n of_o the_o church_n the_o kingdom_n representative_a be_v the_o king_n and_o the_o parliament_n the_o church_n representative_a be_v the_o chief_a bishop_n with_o the_o full_a assembly_n of_o the_o other_o bishop_n in_o a_o lawful_a council_n the_o decree_n and_o definition_n of_o which_o assembly_n be_v the_o decree_n and_o definition_n of_o the_o church_n in_o a_o thing_n so_o clear_a you_o labour_v your_o uttermost_a to_o raise_v a_o thick_a mist_n 50._o first_o you_o object_n who_o can_v be_v certain_a by_o a_o divine_a faith_n of_o the_o lawfulness_n and_o regularity_n of_o a_o pope_n in_o his_o first_o creation_n i_o answer_v that_o when_o i_o speak_v of_o a_o pope_n define_v in_o a_o lawful_a council_n as_o i_o do_v now_o speak_v i_o speak_v of_o such_o a_o pope_n to_o who_o the_o church_n submit_v in_o call_v the_o council_n and_o who_o the_o church_n admit_v as_o her_o lawful_a head_n to_o preside_v in_o the_o council_n these_o very_a act_n supply_v all_o defect_n in_o his_o election_n and_o do_v make_v it_o evident_o credible_a that_o he_o be_v the_o true_a head_n who_o thus_o admit_v define_v with_o the_o council_n as_o their_o acknowledge_a head_n second_o you_o ask_v when_o there_o be_v pope_n against_o pope_n who_o of_o the_o people_n can_v distinguish_v the_o right_a pope_n i_o answer_v that_o he_o shall_v ever_o be_v esteem_v the_o right_a pope_n to_o who_o the_o prelate_n of_o the_o church_n shall_v unanimous_o obey_v when_o he_o call_v they_o to_o meet_v in_o a_o general_a council_n and_o in_o this_o council_n to_o preside_v over_o they_o to_o to_o have_v two_o such_o pope_n as_o these_o be_v at_o one_o time_n be_v impossible_a and_o this_o be_v the_o only_a time_n in_o which_o a_o pope_n define_v with_o a_o lawful_a council_n what_o you_o say_v of_o pope_n not_o define_v in_o such_o a_o council_n be_v not_o our_o case_n put_v i_o a_o pope_n define_v with_o a_o lawful_a council_n and_o then_o prove_v he_o fallible_a if_o you_o can_v whether_o the_o pope_n definition_n out_o of_o a_o council_n be_v fallible_a or_o infallible_a make_v nothing_o to_o this_o purpose_n only_o this_o be_v evident_a if_o they_o be_v infallible_a out_o of_o a_o council_n they_o be_v infallible_a in_o a_o council_n three_o you_o think_v that_o no_o controversy_n can_v in_o our_o opinion_n be_v decide_v when_o there_o be_v a_o doubt_n who_o be_v true_a pope_n and_o you_o ask_v who_o be_v then_o to_o call_v a_o council_n and_o when_o the_o council_n be_v call_v you_o think_v we_o to_o think_v that_o this_o council_n can_v define_v nothing_o without_o a_o pope_n i_o doubt_v not_o sir_n but_o you_o have_v find_v a_o clear_a answer_n to_o all_o this_o in_o bellarm_n lib._n 2._o de_fw-la concilis_fw-la chap._n 19_o that_n although_o a_o council_n without_o a_o pope_n can_v define_v any_o article_n of_o faith_n yet_o in_o time_n of_o schism_n it_o can_v judge_v which_o be_v true_a pope_n and_o provide_v the_o church_n of_o a_o true_a pastor_n if_o she_o have_v none_o who_o thus_o provide_v by_o the_o counsel_n authority_n may_v dissolve_v the_o council_n if_o he_o please_v or_o if_o he_o please_v to_o have_v they_o remain_v assemble_v they_o remain_v so_o now_o by_o his_o authority_n and_o can_v define_v as_o well_o as_o other_o counsel_n call_v by_o the_o pope_n in_o that_o meeting_n in_o which_o the_o pope_n be_v to_o be_v choose_v or_o declare_v the_o undoubted_a pope_n the_o prelate_n of_o the_o church_n may_v and_o ought_v to_o meet_v upon_o their_o own_o authority_n and_o assemble_v themselves_o four_o you_o ask_v how_o we_o can_v by_o divine_a faith_n come_v to_o be_v assure_v of_o the_o lawfulness_n and_o generality_n of_o counsel_n for_o counsel_n have_v be_v call_v by_o emperor_n not_o by_o pope_n sir_n your_o church_n which_o never_o have_v nor_o shall_v have_v general_a council_n be_v to_o seek_v in_o all_o thing_n belong_v to_o they_o our_o church_n almost_o in_o every_o age_n since_o constantine_n have_v be_v visible_o assemble_v in_o general_a counsel_n and_o by_o perpetual_a practice_n have_v be_v sufficient_o inform_v to_o deliver_v by_o the_o assistance_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n all_o that_o she_o have_v receive_v from_o her_o ancestor_n to_o be_v essential_a to_o a_o true_a council_n and_o to_o deliver_v this_o point_n infallible_o to_o your_o objection_n in_o order_n i_o answer_v first_o that_o it_o be_v out_o of_o scripture_n evident_a that_o there_o be_v no_o divine_a institution_n by_o which_o either_o emperor_n be_v assure_v to_o be_v still_o find_v in_o the_o world_n or_o that_o when_o they_o have_v that_o dignity_n they_o be_v by_o divine_a institution_n invest_v with_o a_o power_n to_o call_v counsel_n we_o seek_v for_o this_o divine_a institution_n this_o we_o will_v not_o admit_v until_o it_o can_v be_v show_v in_o scripture_n or_o tradition_n the_o fact_n of_o call_v show_v not_o divine_a institution_n second_o as_o for_o the_o prelate_n of_o the_o church_n we_o can_v show_v divine_a institution_n act._n 20.28_o bishop_n place_v by_o the_o holy_a ghost_n over_o all_o the_o flock_n to_o feed_v or_o govern_v the_o church_n of_o god_n and_o 4._o epho_n not_o lay_v magistrate_n but_o only_o ecclesiastical_a be_v say_v to_o be_v give_v we_o by_o christ_n for_o the_o work_n of_o the_o ministry_n for_o the_o edify_n of_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n that_o henceforth_o we_o may_v not_o be_v carry_v about_o with_o every_o wind_n of_o doctrine_n etc._n etc._n three_o the_o emperor_n be_v not_o by_o divine_a institution_n lord_n of_o the_o christian_a world_n no_o nor_o of_o any_o considerable_a part_n
of_o it_o wherefore_o see_v that_o a_o motive_n power_n be_v no_o motive_n power_n any_o further_a than_o it_o can_v or_o aught_o to_o be_v able_a to_o motive_n the_o imperial_a power_n which_o can_v move_v further_a than_o it_o reign_v nor_o ought_v not_o to_o move_v further_o can_v consequent_o command_v any_o further_a than_o his_o territory_n at_o the_o uttermost_a the_o power_n of_o the_o chief_a pastor_n of_o the_o universal_a church_n be_v coextend_v to_o the_o universal_a church_n all_o bishop_n of_o the_o universal_a be_v to_o be_v move_v must_v be_v move_v by_o such_o a_o power_n as_o this_o be_v if_o emperor_n call_v council_n it_o be_v not_o by_o a_o ecclesiastical_a call_n such_o a_o one_o as_o the_o pope_n call_v they_o by_o at_o the_o very_a self_n same_o time_n but_o the_o emperor_n calling_n be_v only_o political_a proceed_v from_o a_o temporal_a power_n subserve_v to_o the_o ecclesiastical_a and_o not_o able_a to_o force_v they_o by_o censure_n in_o case_n of_o refuse_v to_o come_v as_o the_o ecclesiastical_a power_n can_v which_o power_n implore_v the_o imperial_a assistance_n to_o concur_v with_o she_o only_o for_o the_o more_o effectual_a execution_n perhaps_o sometime_o emperor_n may_v venture_v to_o call_v dependent_o of_o the_o ratification_n of_o the_o supreme_a pastor_n which_o they_o presume_v will_v be_v assure_o obtain_v in_o so_o just_a necessity_n as_o there_o seem_v to_o press_v for_o a_o speedy_a meeting_n if_o emperor_n be_v present_a in_o counsel_n it_o be_v only_o by_o their_o presence_n and_o good_a countenance_n to_o honour_n encourage_v and_o further_o the_o proceed_n of_o the_o council_n and_o to_o pass_v their_o vote_n in_o point_n of_o belief_n you_o add_v something_o else_o now_o but_o it_o come_v again_o present_o five_o you_o object_n how_o shall_v we_o know_v that_o every_o one_o of_o the_o council_n have_v a_o free_a election_n to_o it_o and_o a_o free_a decisive_a vote_n in_o it_o i_o answer_v the_o freedom_n of_o every_o man_n calling_n be_v make_v evident_o credible_a by_o the_o public_a summons_n send_v through_o the_o whole_a christian_a world_n obey_v by_o the_o same_o without_o any_o pertinatious_a opposition_n and_o the_o answerable_a public_a appearance_n from_o all_o part_n of_o the_o world_n every_o one_o exhibit_v the_o public_o authenticated_a testimony_n of_o his_o election_n and_o confirmation_n if_o any_o man_n be_v exclude_v he_o may_v without_o he_o will_v renounce_v his_o right_n be_v hear_v in_o the_o council_n which_o be_v a_o public_a hear_n the_o matter_n can_v but_o be_v know_v many_o yet_o never_o be_v nor_o can_v be_v thus_o injure_v without_o make_v their_o injury_n notorious_a by_o public_a protestation_n and_o such_o like_o remedy_n always_o use_v against_o unjust_a exclusion_n or_o hindrance_n of_o liberty_n in_o vote_v if_o the_o council_n be_v know_v notorious_o to_o use_v such_o proceeding_n we_o be_v not_o to_o acknowledge_v it_o for_o a_o lawful_a council_n again_o as_o private_a man_n proceed_n be_v not_o to_o be_v judgee_v bad_a unless_o they_o can_v be_v prove_v to_o be_v so_o much_o less_o ought_v the_o proceed_n of_o the_o church_n representative_a to_o be_v judge_v bad_a without_o sufficient_a proof_n of_o the_o contrary_n and_o when_o such_o evident_a and_o notorious_a ill_a proceed_n be_v not_o apparent_a nothing_o can_v be_v solid_o object_v against_o the_o lawfulness_n of_o the_o council_n and_o therefore_o it_o be_v to_o be_v admit_v as_o a_o lawful_a council_n it_o belong_v to_o the_o holy_a ghost_n to_o provide_v that_o their_o difinition_n be_v not_o prejudicial_a to_o the_o church_n put_v under_o his_o protection_n and_o direction_n you_o only_o look_v what_o the_o inward_a nature_n of_o humane_a malice_n may_v act_v but_o you_o shall_v also_o look_v to_o the_o extrinsical_a overrule_a providence_n promise_v by_o god_n against_o humane_a malice_n and_o weakness_n this_o be_v that_o which_o make_v all_o these_o faction_n and_o banding_n and_o domineer_a self_n interest_n never_o to_o be_v effectual_o destructive_a of_o that_o secure_a direction_n promise_v by_o god_n to_o his_o church_n though_o hell_n gate_n shall_v be_v set_v wide_o open_a they_o shall_v not_o prevail_v against_o she_o six_o you_o ask_v how_o shall_v ignorant_a people_n be_v divine_o persuade_v that_o the_o council_n be_v general_a i_o answer_v the_o public_a summons_n to_o the_o council_n send_v through_o the_o christian_a world_n the_o public_a appearance_n of_o prelate_n make_v upon_o these_o summons_n from_o all_o part_n of_o the_o world_n their_o public_a sit_v public_a subscribe_v public_a divulge_v their_o decree_n and_o definition_n acknowledge_v true_o to_o be_v they_o by_o all_o present_a deny_v by_o no_o man_n to_o be_v they_o with_o the_o least_o show_n of_o probability_n no_o more_o than_o such_o a_o act_n be_v deny_v to_o be_v the_o act_n of_o such_o a_o parliament_n all_o these_o motive_n i_o say_v make_v it_o evident_o credible_a to_o the_o ignorant_a and_o to_o the_o learned_a that_o this_o be_v the_o true_a definition_n of_o the_o church_n now_o this_o be_v evident_o credible_a to_o be_v her_o definition_n and_o i_o believe_v by_o divine_a faith_n all_o her_o definition_n to_o be_v true_a i_o also_o believe_v this_o definition_n among_o the_o rest_n to_o be_v true_a it_o be_v a_o great_a sign_n you_o be_v ill_o furnish_v with_o strong_a argument_n when_o you_o will_v persuade_v we_o that_o in_o thing_n so_o easy_a to_o be_v know_v there_o be_v such_o insuperable_a difficulty_n the_o council_n of_o trent_n definition_n concern_v faith_n be_v never_o oppose_v by_o france_n though_o some_o thing_n ordain_v for_o practice_n seem_v less_o suitable_a to_o the_o particular_a state_n of_o that_o kingdom_n yet_o this_o difficulty_n be_v at_o last_o remove_v seven_o you_o ask_v how_o many_o bishop_n in_o the_o trent_n council_n be_v furnish_v with_o a_o title_n to_o overpower_v the_o rest_n for_o the_o pope_n end_n i_o pray_v sir_n tell_v i_o how_o many_o but_o tell_v i_o by_o credible_a witness_n such_o as_o be_v their_o own_o subscription_n who_o can_v assure_v i_o of_o this_o truth_n and_o when_o you_o have_v tell_v i_o this_o give_v i_o leave_v to_o ask_v what_o one_o of_o they_o be_v as_o much_o as_o suspect_v to_o be_v of_o a_o faith_n different_a from_o the_o rest_n if_o they_o differ_v not_o in_o faith_n from_o the_o rest_n how_o then_o can_v the_o pope_n be_v suspect_v to_o have_v act_v against_o faith_n by_o make_v such_o bishop_n again_o do_v the_o make_n of_o such_o bishop_n make_v the_o holy_a ghost_n unable_a to_o order_v thing_n so_o in_o the_o council_n that_o nothing_o shall_v happen_v destructive_a of_o the_o secure_a direction_n undertake_v to_o be_v afford_v for_o ever_o by_o he_o saul_n shall_v soon_o turn_v a_o prophet_n and_o caiphas_n shall_v prophesy_v not_o know_v what_o he_o do_v before_o the_o spirit_n of_o truth_n send_v to_o teach_v the_o church_n all_o truth_n shall_v fail_v in_o his_o duty_n eight_o you_o ask_v how_o the_o church_n be_v provide_v for_o when_o for_o so_o many_o year_n there_o be_v no_o pope_n define_v with_o a_o council_n this_o time_n you_o mean_v be_v the_o first_o three_o hundred_o year_n after_o christ_n when_o for_o persecution_n no_o council_n can_v be_v gather_v all_o this_o time_n the_o know_a doctrine_n of_o the_o apostle_n remain_v so_o fresh_a and_o so_o notorious_a by_o the_o tradition_n of_o the_o church_n diffuse_v and_o there_o remain_v also_o so_o universal_a a_o respect_n and_o obedience_n to_o the_o chief_a bishop_n of_o the_o church_n notorious_o know_v to_o be_v the_o upholder_n of_o true_a doctrine_n that_o the_o church_n want_v not_o mean_n to_o decide_v controversy_n as_o far_o as_o the_o necessity_n of_o those_o time_n require_v whence_o the_o quartodecimani_n although_o they_o oppose_v nothing_o set_v down_o clear_o in_o scripture_n be_v judge_v heretic_n for_o oppose_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o first_o church_n make_v evident_o know_v by_o fresh_a tradition_n now_o as_o the_o church_n can_v want_v council_n for_o so_o many_o year_n so_o it_o can_v want_v council_n for_o the_o short_a space_n of_o schism_n for_o the_o necessity_n of_o new_a declaration_n it_o not_o so_o frequent_a at_o least_o in_o any_o high_a degree_n of_o necessity_n call_v for_o instant_a remedy_n and_o a_o reme-of_a this_o nature_n only_o scripture_n alone_o you_o say_v will_v remedy_v this_o necessity_n we_o beside_o scripture_n have_v always_o at_o hand_n the_o many_o definition_n of_o former_a council_n and_o the_o know_a tradition_n of_o the_o church_n which_o alone_o serve_v god_n church_n in_o those_o two_o thousand_o year_n before_o scripture_n and_o for_o two_o thousand_o year_n more_o serve_v the_o faithful_a among_o the_o gentile_n who_o have_v not_o the_o scripture_n which_o remain_v almost_o sole_o and_o alone_o
to_o the_o jew_n nine_o you_o ask_v if_o the_o pope_n and_o council_n do_v differ_v at_o any_o time_n about_o some_o question_n what_o shall_v be_v define_v i_o answer_v nothing_o shall_v be_v define_v because_o this_o essential_a hindrance_n manife_v no_o definition_n of_o such_o a_o particular_a question_n to_o it_o at_o that_o time_n necessary_a for_o the_o preservation_n of_o the_o church_n for_o if_o this_o depend_v upon_o such_o a_o present_a definition_n the_o holy_a ghost_n who_o you_o still_o forget_v will_v not_o forget_v to_o inspire_v the_o party_n requisite_a to_o do_v their_o duty_n ten_o you_o ask_v how_o my_o opinion_n stand_v with_o they_o who_o affirm_v the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n to_o be_v monarchical_a by_o christ_n institution_n i_o answer_v our_o government_n in_o england_n be_v monarchical_a this_o last_o five_o hundred_o year_n and_o yet_o our_o monarch_n can_v not_o do_v all_o thing_n without_o a_o parliament_n again_o those_o who_o make_v the_o pope_n sufficient_o assist_v to_o define_v all_o alone_a can_v possible_o deny_v what_o i_o say_v to_o wit_n that_o he_o be_v sufficient_o assist_v when_o he_o define_v with_o a_o council_n eleven_o you_o ask_v how_o many_o general_n counsel_n have_v be_v opposite_a to_o one_o another_o i_o answer_v not_o so_o much_o as_o one_o you_o ask_v again_o in_o which_o or_o with_o which_o do_v he_o not_o err_v i_o answer_v he_o neither_o err_v in_o or_o with_o any_o in_o the_o nicene_n he_o err_v not_o as_o you_o will_v grant_v nor_o in_o the_o three_o next_o general_n counsel_n as_o your_o church_n of_o england_n grant_v he_o subscribe_v not_o in_o the_o council_n of_o ariminum_n how_o then_o do_v he_o err_v in_o it_o yea_o because_o he_o subscribe_v not_o that_o council_n be_v never_o account_v lawful_a by_o any_o but_o arrian_n or_o if_o your_o english_a church_n account_v that_o a_o lawful_a council_n they_o must_v admit_v that_o while_o they_o admit_v the_o first_o four_o counsel_n so_o that_o i_o be_o amaze_v to_o see_v a_o learned_a man_n four_o or_o five_o time_n object_v the_o contrariety_n of_o the_o council_n of_o ariminum_n to_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a to_o prove_v from_o thence_o that_o two_o lawful_a general_a counsel_n can_v be_v opposite_a to_o one_o another_o you_o know_v well_o that_o this_o council_n of_o ariminum_n be_v no_o lawful_a council_n the_o chief_n bishop_n and_o head_n of_o the_o church_n not_o subscribe_v in_o it_o tell_v i_o i_o pray_v if_o by_o all_o your_o great_a read_n you_o can_v find_v one_o single_a holy_a father_n who_o do_v ever_o censure_v any_o one_o general_a council_n of_o doctrine_n in_o any_o one_o point_n either_o false_a or_o opposite_a to_o any_o former_a lawful_a general_a council_n in_o what_o age_n then_o live_v we_o which_o license_v every_o mechanical_a fellow_n free_o to_o tax_v the_o counsel_n of_o all_o age_n of_o error_n against_o scripture_n this_o be_v the_o fruit_n of_o cry_v out_o in_o what_o council_n or_o with_o what_o council_n do_v not_o the_o pope_n err_v twelve_o you_o ask_v i_o i_o pray_v see_v my_o 12._o number_v above_o fine_a do_v ever_o any_o of_o the_o ancient_a counsel_n determine_v of_o their_o own_o infallibility_n i_o answer_v the_o ancient_a council_n of_o all_o say_v visum_fw-la est_fw-la spiritui_fw-la sancto_fw-la &_o nobis_fw-la it_o seem_v good_a to_o the_o holy_a ghost_n and_o we_o can_v any_o thing_n fallible_a seem_v good_a to_o the_o holy_a ghost_n or_o to_o a_o council_n lawful_o assemble_v in_o the_o holy_a ghost_n as_o all_o lawful_a council_n be_v ever_o suppose_v by_o themselves_o to_o be_v and_o upon_o this_o ground_n they_o ever_o assume_v a_o authority_n sufficient_a not_o only_o to_o be_v secure_o follow_v by_o the_o whole_a church_n in_o their_o definition_n but_o denounce_v a_o anathema_n to_o the_o rejector_n of_o their_o definition_n which_o have_v be_v wicked_o do_v if_o there_o may_v have_v be_v error_n in_o faith_n the_o most_o bloody_a persecution_n of_o tyrant_n can_v not_o have_v be_v half_o so_o pernicious_a to_o the_o church_n as_o it_o be_v thus_o to_o be_v teach_v and_o compel_v by_o the_o unanimous_a authority_n of_o christendom_n to_o embrace_v that_o as_o catholic_n doctrine_n which_o be_v a_o error_n in_o faith_n and_o sure_o a_o practice_n so_o universal_a so_o frequent_a and_o yet_o so_o pernicious_a will_v have_v be_v cry_v out_o upon_o over_o and_o over_o again_o by_o the_o most_o zealous_a and_o learned_a ancient_a father_n who_o notwithstanding_o never_o open_v their_o mouth_n against_o this_o procede_a of_o council_n which_o can_v not_o be_v justifiable_a for_o this_o proceed_n of_o settle_v a_o court_n of_o so_o great_a authority_n and_o a_o everlasting_a court_n to_o be_v call_v in_o matter_n of_o great_a moment_n until_o the_o end_n of_o the_o world_n so_o to_o teach_v the_o world_n in_o all_o age_n the_o catholic_n truth_n in_o great_a point_n if_o in_o place_n of_o this_o truth_n error_n against_o faith_n can_v have_v be_v perpetual_o obtrude_v even_o to_o the_o whole_a world_n and_o that_o with_o the_o great_a authority_n in_o the_o world_n and_o this_o under_o pain_n of_o be_v cut_v off_o from_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n imagine_v if_o you_o can_v a_o thing_n more_o pernicious_a than_o this_o and_o yet_o this_o be_v the_o proceed_n of_o all_o antiquity_n if_o the_o church_n be_v fallible_a as_o you_o say_v thirtenth_o you_o ask_v i_o what_o i_o think_v of_o nazianzens_n opinion_n about_o counsel_n in_o his_o ep._n to_o procopius_n the_o 12_o as_o you_o say_v but_o i_o find_v it_o in_o the_o 42._o sir_n i_o think_v if_o what_o you_o have_v say_v against_o the_o proof_n of_o any_o point_n out_o of_o the_o general_n consent_n of_o father_n be_v true_a no_o single_a proof_n bring_v from_o some_o one_o of_o they_o can_v have_v any_o force_n out_o of_o your_o mouth_n what_o force_n soever_o it_o may_v have_v have_v out_o of_o a_o mouth_n use_v to_o speak_v otherwise_o of_o they_o but_o you_o be_v press_v &_o ask_v shall_v i_o tell_v you_o yes_o sir_n tell_v i_o yet_o let_v i_o tell_v you_o that_o what_o he_o say_v will_v be_v nothing_o to_o the_o purpose_n unless_o he_o can_v be_v show_v to_o speak_v of_o a_o lawful_a free_a general_n council_n call_v and_o direct_v by_o the_o chief_a pastor_n of_o the_o church_n preside_v in_o it_o now_o sir_n tell_v i_o do_v he_o speak_v of_o such_o a_o council_n his_o word_n be_v i_o be_o thus_o affect_v as_o to_o shun_v all_o meeting_n of_o bishop_n if_o i_o must_v speak_v the_o truth_n for_o i_o never_o see_v any_o good_a end_n of_o a_o synod_n nor_o that_o have_v a_o end_n of_o evil_n more_o than_o a_o addition_n sir_n you_o much_o wrong_v this_o grave_a father_n if_o you_o think_v he_o speak_v of_o such_o council_n as_o i_o now_o mention_v before_o his_o speak_v these_o word_n there_o have_v be_v but_o one_o such_o council_n to_o wit_n that_o of_o nice_n let_v we_o hear_v from_o himself_o his_o opinion_n of_o this_o one_o council_n out_o of_o those_o treatise_n which_o go_v just_a before_o his_o epistle_n which_o you_o may_v have_v read_v as_o well_o as_o they_o in_o the_o first_o of_o these_o treatise_n be_v ask_v the_o most_o certain_a doctrine_n of_o faith_n he_o answer_v that_o it_o be_v that_o which_o be_v promulgate_v by_o the_o holy_a father_n at_o nice_a &_o that_o he_o never_o do_v prefer_v nor_o be_v able_a to_o prefer_v any_o thing_n before_o it_o so_o he_o tract_n 50._o and_o in_o his_o next_o treatise_n he_o explicate_v this_o faith_n at_o large_a and_o in_o the_o end_n he_o say_v he_o do_v embrace_v the_o treatise_n of_o this_o council_n to_o the_o uttermost_a power_n of_o his_o mind_n know_v it_o oppose_v with_o invincible_a verity_n against_o all_o heretic_n and_o in_o his_o oration_n to_o saint_n athanasius_n he_o say_v the_o father_n of_o this_o council_n be_v gather_v by_o the_o holy_a ghost_n saint_n gregory_n then_o who_o speak_v thus_o have_v the_o same_o spirit_n that_o the_o other_o saint_n gregory_n the_o great_a who_o say_v i_o do_v profess_v myself_o to_o reverence_v the_o first_o four_o council_n as_o i_o reverence_v the_o four_o book_n of_o the_o gospel_n and_o in_o this_o manner_n do_v i_o reverence_v the_o five_o council_n whosoever_o be_v of_o another_o mind_n let_v he_o be_v a_o anathema_n l._n 1_o epistol_n ep._n prope_fw-la finem_fw-la he_o then_o who_o thus_o reverence_v lawful_a general_a council_n do_v not_o doubtless_o speak_v the_o former_a word_n concern_v they_o but_o do_v he_o perhaps_o speak_v they_o of_o lawful_a particular_a council_n no_o how_o then_o it_o be_v hard_a fortune_n to_o live_v in_o a_o time_n in_o which_o the_o arrian_n have_v so_o great_a power_n that_o they_o disturb_v the_o lawful_a proceed_n
the_o right_a state_n of_o the_o question_n all_o these_o thing_n he_o say_v be_v necessary_a to_o a_o church_n as_o a_o community_n to_o follow_v he_o again_o we_o say_v first_o that_o we_o deny_v that_o all_o these_o thing_n be_v absolute_o necessary_a to_o a_o church_n as_o a_o community_n for_o several_a church_n have_v differ_v from_o one_o another_o in_o some_o of_o they_o as_o in_o fast_n and_o in_o the_o keep_n of_o easter_n and_o in_o form_n of_o prayer_n for_o as_o for_o the_o liturgy_n they_o talk_v of_o they_o be_v silij_fw-la populi_fw-la second_o though_o necessary_a to_o a_o church_n yet_o not_o simple_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n three_o some_o of_o they_o may_v be_v necessary_a to_o a_o church_n visible_a not_o necessary_a to_o the_o church_n as_o invisible_a but_o he_o tamper_n about_o the_o change_n of_o the_o state_n of_o the_o question_n to_o make_v what_o be_v necessary_a to_o salvation_n to_o be_v necessary_a to_o a_o church_n as_o visible_a and_o whatsoever_o be_v necessary_a to_o a_o church_n as_o visible_a to_o be_v necessary_a to_o salvation_n which_o can_v be_v true_a for_o as_o for_o that_o that_o there_o be_v no_o salvation_n to_o be_v have_v out_o of_o the_o church_n according_a to_o that_o of_o st._n cyprian_n in_o his_o tract_n de_fw-fr simplicitate_fw-la prelatorum_fw-la habere_fw-la non_fw-la potest_fw-la deum_fw-la patrem_fw-la qui_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la non_fw-la habet_fw-la matrem_fw-la yet_o this_o be_v to_o be_v understand_v of_o those_o that_o be_v desertor_n of_o the_o church_n as_o be_v to_o be_v see_v there_o by_o the_o comparation_n of_o antecedent_n and_o consequent_n and_o the_o whole_a scope_n of_o the_o tract_n and_o therefore_o simple_o what_o be_v necessary_a to_o a_o church_n visible_a be_v not_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n because_o without_o contradiction_n to_o the_o father_n it_o may_v be_v possible_a to_o have_v salvation_n without_o the_o church_n and_o therefore_o may_v i_o conclude_v that_o my_o adversary_n do_v not_o well_o comply_v with_o his_o promise_n of_o state_v this_o question_n a_o little_a more_o full_o and_o distinct_o and_o yet_o there_o be_v not_o one_o of_o all_o these_o thing_n plain_o set_v down_o in_o scripture_n whence_o very_a many_o and_o very_o important_a difference_n be_v among_o christian_n ans_fw-fr all_o he_o say_v be_v not_o true_a for_o the_o sacrament_n be_v plain_o enough_o set_v down_o in_o scripture_n for_o all_o that_o be_v therein_o essential_a and_o necessary_a then_o second_o the_o argument_n be_v not_o conclude_v these_o thing_n be_v not_o plain_o set_v down_o in_o scripture_n therefore_o very_a many_o and_o very_o important_a difference_n among_o christian_n for_o first_o the_o unplainesse_n of_o they_o in_o scripture_n be_v no_o efficient_a cause_n thereof_o for_o they_o may_v in_o those_o thing_n give_v every_o one_o their_o liberty_n in_o their_o particular_a church_n as_o st._n cyprian_n do_v plain_o show_v we_o in_o his_o second_n b._n first_o ep._n where_o have_v speak_v of_o some_o who_o do_v hold_v those_o thing_n which_o they_o do_v once_o take_v up_o he_o speak_v notwithstanding_o sed_fw-la salvo_fw-la inter_fw-la collegas_fw-la pacis_fw-la et_fw-la concordiae_fw-la vinculo_fw-la quaedam_fw-la propria_fw-la quae_fw-la apud_fw-la se_fw-la semel_fw-la sunt_fw-la usurpata_fw-la retinere_fw-la quae_fw-la in_o re_fw-la nec_fw-la nos_fw-la cviquam_fw-la facimus_fw-la aut_fw-la legem_fw-la damus_fw-la cum_fw-la habeat_fw-la in_o ecclesiae_fw-la administrationis_fw-la voluntatis_fw-la suae_fw-la arbitrium_fw-la liberum_fw-la unusquisquae_fw-la praepositus_fw-la rationem_fw-la actus_fw-la svi_fw-la domino_fw-la redituras_fw-la so_o he_o therefore_o may_v they_o not_o all_o practice_v the_o same_o thing_n and_o yet_o there_o be_v no_o moral_a difference_n if_o negative_a difference_n not_o positive_a contention_n if_o some_o yet_o not_o many_o if_o many_o yet_o not_o important_a in_o point_n of_o salvation_n because_o each_o bishop_n in_o his_o church_n have_v free_a power_n to_o establish_v what_o he_o think_v fit_a and_o what_o general_n council_n have_v bind_v the_o universal_a church_n in_o all_o these_o particularity_n yea_o again_o the_o unplainess_n of_o these_o thing_n in_o scripture_n be_v not_o the_o causa_fw-la sine_fw-la quae_fw-la non_fw-la of_o these_o difference_n for_o there_o be_v difference_n with_o the_o roman_a church_n against_o other_o even_o in_o some_o thing_n which_o be_v plain_o set_v down_o in_o scripture_n as_o in_o point_n of_o justification_n against_o image_n to_o be_v worship_v against_o half_a communion_n and_o general_o the_o difference_n betwixt_o we_o and_o indeed_o what_o be_v there_o so_o plain_a about_o which_o some_o have_v not_o differ_v and_o then_o again_o how_o be_v this_o mend_v by_o a_o council_n not_o by_o their_o council_n of_o trent_n because_o in_o their_o decree_n the_o sense_n be_v not_o plain_a therefore_o let_v they_o find_v better_a provision_n than_o god_n have_v make_v direct_o in_o scripture_n before_o they_o find_v fault_n with_o god_n direction_n as_o to_o those_o thing_n which_o be_v important_a unto_o salvation_n for_o otherwise_o the_o term_n be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d it_o be_v beside_o the_o state_n of_o the_o question_n next_o he_o object_n the_o difference_n among_o we_o about_o bishop_n with_o such_o and_o such_o a_o power_n and_o authority_n and_o that_o without_o they_o you_o can_v have_v no_o true_a priest_n or_o deacon_n and_o without_o these_o no_o true_a sacrament_n thing_n so_o necessary_a to_o the_o salvation_n of_o all_o man_n ans_fw-fr this_o be_v a_o question_n belong_v rather_o to_o the_o church_n than_o to_o salvation_n and_o therefore_o we_o need_v not_o say_v any_o more_o to_o it_o yet_o second_o the_o difference_n among_o we_o be_v for_o the_o most_o part_n stir_v upon_o the_o occasion_n of_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n and_o therefore_o the_o pontifician_n have_v no_o cause_n to_o impute_v to_o we_o as_o a_o fault_n the_o disagreement_n of_o protestant_n in_o this_o point_n because_o it_o arise_v in_o great_a part_n from_o the_o domination_n of_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n they_o think_v by_o a_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d that_o they_o can_v never_o sufficient_o gainsay_v the_o roman_a bishop_n but_o by_o cashier_v the_o whole_a genus_fw-la and_o therefore_o to_o make_v all_o sure_a they_o deny_v all_o bishop_n since_o the_o argument_n be_v good_a a_o negatione_n generis_fw-la ad_fw-la negationem_fw-la speciei_fw-la if_o no_o bishop_n than_o not_o universal_a indeed_o here_o they_o err_v if_o they_o think_v that_o the_o position_n of_o bishop_n do_v infer_v the_o universal_a for_o it_o do_v not_o follow_v a_o positione_n generis_fw-la ad_fw-la positionem_fw-la speciei_fw-la determinatae_fw-la and_o therefore_o they_o may_v have_v bishop_n and_o not_o he_o yea_o the_o hold_v of_o bishop_n by_o divine_a right_n be_v as_o like_v a_o mean_a to_o destroy_v the_o pope_n authority_n as_o any_o other_o and_o to_o this_o purpose_n be_v it_o so_o holty_a dispute_v in_o the_o trent_n council_n and_o some_o lose_v their_o favour_n with_o the_o pope_n for_o be_v eager_a in_o the_o affirmative_a and_o in_o the_o promotion_n of_o cardinal_n at_o the_o end_n of_o the_o synod_n the_o pope_n profess_v he_o will_v pass_v by_o those_o who_o have_v stand_v for_o residence_n and_o bishop_n to_o be_v jure_fw-la divino_fw-la for_o this_o institution_n of_o they_o by_o divine_a right_n make_v they_o not_o to_o depend_v upon_o the_o pope_n which_o will_v weaken_v his_o authority_n and_o therefore_o as_o to_o the_o controversy_n about_o bishop_n whether_o we_o derive_v they_o and_o their_o authority_n from_o scripture_n my_o adversary_n may_v have_v do_v well_o to_o have_v say_v nothing_o since_o if_o it_o be_v necessary_a to_o be_v determine_v clear_o than_o the_o trent_n council_n be_v to_o be_v blame_v for_o not_o determine_v it_o if_o it_o be_v not_o necessary_a then_o why_o do_v he_o put_v it_o in_o among_o necessary_a question_n to_o this_o therefore_o we_o say_v no_o more_o than_o thus_o have_v there_o not_o be_v bishop_n there_o will_v not_o have_v be_v a_o pope_n and_o therefore_o be_v this_o a_o argument_n that_o there_o be_v bishop_n in_o the_o ancient_a church_n for_o how_o otherwise_o can_v there_o have_v be_v a_o bishop_n universal_a so_o also_o have_v there_o not_o be_v a_o pope_n there_o will_v have_v be_v less_o contention_n about_o bishop_n as_o appear_v by_o this_o that_o if_o petrus_n balma_n who_o be_v the_o last_o bishop_n of_o geneva_n will_v have_v turn_v protestant_n he_o may_v have_v continue_v bishop_n as_o for_o no_o true_a sacrament_n without_o priest_n and_o deacon_n we_o say_v if_o he_o take_v priest_n in_o a_o proper_a sense_n we_o deny_v that_o there_o be_v now_o any_o such_o to_o be_v because_o there_o be_v now_o no_o real_a external_a sacrifice_n if_o he_o take_v it_o in_o the_o analogical_a sense_n we_o have_v no_o reason_n to_o doubt_v of_o true_a priest_n be_v right_o ordain_v and_o for_o
our_o infallible_a and_o certain_a guidance_n from_o they_o but_o ecce_fw-la iterum_fw-la crispinus_n some_o of_o you_o will_v have_v no_o word_n at_o all_o necessary_a to_o the_o administration_n of_o baptism_n some_o will_v have_v such_o kind_n of_o word_n and_o other_o word_n very_o different_a from_o they_o in_o substance_n he_o make_v our_o difference_n not_o only_o by_o occasion_n but_o for_o aught_o i_o see_v by_o fiction_n also_o for_o i_o know_v none_o that_o will_v have_v no_o word_n or_o different_a in_o substance_n or_o if_o they_o will_v let_v they_o answer_v for_o themselves_o the_o essential_a form_n of_o word_n as_o to_o baptism_n be_v as_o plain_o set_v down_o as_o can_v be_v by_o word_n in_o scripture_n in_o the_o 28_o of_o st._n mat._n 19_o baptise_v they_o in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o father_n and_o of_o the_o son_n and_o of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n and_o if_o any_o differ_v from_o this_o form_n then_o my_o adversary_n argument_n be_v nought_o whereby_o he_o will_v prove_v thing_n not_o to_o be_v plain_o set_v down_o because_o there_o be_v difference_n about_o they_o for_o what_o can_v be_v more_o plain_o set_v down_o than_o the_o form_n of_o baptism_n and_o yet_o he_o talk_v of_o difference_n thereabouts_o in_o the_o three_o and_o four_o paragr_n he_o prosecute_v the_o same_o impertinency_n to_o the_o question_n in_o hand_n and_o until_o he_o prove_v all_o the_o point_n he_o do_v instance_n in_o to_o be_v such_o as_o be_v necessary_a to_o salvation_n in_o the_o same_o punctuality_n i_o have_v nothing_o to_o do_v but_o to_o deny_v they_o to_o be_v such_o as_o without_o which_o in_o formalitatibus_fw-la there_o be_v no_o salvation_n vbi_fw-la eadem_fw-la ratio_fw-la eadem_fw-la lex_fw-la according_a to_o the_o proportion_n of_o their_o use_n be_v the_o proportion_n of_o their_o appointment_n in_o scripture_n as_o for_o such_o thing_n as_o be_v of_o strict_a necessity_n to_o certain_a man_n of_o certain_a state_n and_o degree_n in_o the_o church_n it_o go_v upon_o a_o false_a supposition_n that_o what_o be_v of_o strict_a necessity_n to_o certain_a man_n of_o certain_a state_n and_o degree_n in_o the_o church_n shall_v be_v of_o strict_a necessity_n to_o salvation_n nothing_o be_v of_o strict_a necessity_n to_o salvation_n but_o that_o which_o be_v necessary_a to_o all_o unto_o salvation_n now_o it_o be_v not_o necessary_a to_o all_o unto_o salvation_n to_o know_v what_o be_v of_o strict_a necessity_n to_o some_o certain_a man_n of_o certain_a state_n and_o degree_n and_o second_o little_a in_o reason_n can_v be_v say_v to_o be_v of_o strict_a necessity_n to_o some_o certain_a man_n of_o certain_a degree_n and_o state_n in_o the_o church_n first_o because_o many_o nation_n have_v diversify_v these_o usage_n and_o second_o because_o no_o general_a council_n have_v descend_v to_o the_o bind_n of_o all_o absolute_o thereunto_o nay_o indeed_o not_o to_o the_o propose_v of_o they_o and_o as_o for_o the_o form_n of_o ordain_v bishop_n in_o word_n or_o action_n the_o way_n in_o our_o church_n be_v as_o full_o according_a to_o proportion_n in_o scripture_n as_o any_o other_o and_o our_o bishop_n have_v be_v also_o canonical_o ordain_v by_o three_o bishop_n notwithstanding_o the_o slander_n against_o it_o and_o let_v they_o prove_v that_o what_o be_v in_o this_o case_n appoint_v in_o council_n be_v more_o necessary_a than_o what_o be_v do_v in_o our_o consecration_n or_o else_o they_o do_v nothing_o they_o must_v also_o know_v whether_o they_o can_v lawful_o permit_v woman_n to_o baptize_v at_o all_o or_o baptize_v in_o necessity_n only_o and_o not_o out_o of_o it_o ans_fw-fr first_o it_o be_v plain_a in_o scripture_n that_o no_o woman_n do_v baptize_v second_o that_o baptise_v and_o teach_v be_v commit_v to_o the_o same_o person_n as_o before_o st._n mat._n 28.19_o 20._o now_o woman_n be_v forbid_v to_o teach_v by_o st_n paul_n therefore_o may_v they_o not_o baptize_v three_o how_o can_v man_n authority_n allow_v that_o which_o god_n have_v restrain_v so_o as_o to_o make_v it_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n that_o this_o allowance_n shall_v be_v make_v and_o also_o that_o all_o shall_v know_v it_o and_o fourthly_a it_o be_v yet_o to_o be_v prove_v whether_o there_o be_v such_o absolute_a necessity_n of_o baptism_n as_o to_o dispense_v herein_o in_o case_n of_o necessity_n since_o st._n thomas_n be_v of_o opinion_n as_o be_v urge_v in_o the_o trent_n council_n that_o before_o christ_n child_n be_v save_v by_o the_o faith_n of_o the_o parent_n and_o without_o the_o sacrament_n as_o it_o must_v be_v there_o mean_v p._n 239._o of_o the_o history_n i_o know_v some_o speak_v favourable_o in_o this_o point_n not_o allow_v it_o shall_v so_o be_v do_v but_o as_o not_o annul_v it_o when_o do_v but_o my_o adversary_n shall_v first_o have_v make_v the_o substratum_fw-la sound_n and_o good_a namely_o the_o absolute_a necessity_n to_o salvation_n for_o if_o we_o shall_v be_v rule_v by_o st._n austin_n in_o this_o matter_n than_o we_o shall_v be_v rule_v by_o he_o in_o all_o point_n which_o they_o themselves_o will_v not_o stand_v to_o for_o they_o withstand_v he_o in_o more_o particular_n than_o we_o as_o have_v be_v note_v by_o mr._n chillingworth_n and_o beside_o his_o authority_n we_o may_v confront_v with_o tertullian_n and_o whether_o they_o may_v permit_v woman_n or_o layman_n to_o bless_v the_o bread_n and_o distribute_v the_o sacrament_n see_v that_o christ_n say_v do_v this_o all_o not_o plain_o express_v how_o far_o these_o his_o word_n extend_v themselves_o sure_o my_o adversary_n intend_v i_o rather_o good_a measure_n than_o good_a weight_n in_o such_o argumentation_n st._n paul_n do_v one_o will_v think_v determine_v this_o question_n if_o any_o in_o the_o first_o ep._n to_o the_o cor._n 4.1_o where_o he_o say_v of_o minister_n in_o general_a that_o they_o be_v the_o dispenser_n of_o the_o mystery_n of_o god_n and_o then_o be_v this_o their_o blessing_n or_o distribute_v if_o it_o may_v be_v allow_v necessary_a to_o salvation_n and_o for_o his_o argument_n it_o be_v improper_o produce_v for_o it_o be_v speak_v to_o they_o not_o as_o officer_n of_o the_o church_n in_o administer_a but_o as_o member_n of_o the_o church_n in_o receive_v and_o this_o may_v he_o have_v take_v notice_n of_o if_o he_o will_v have_v quote_v the_o text_n entire_o for_o it_o be_v say_v do_v this_o in_o remembrance_n of_o i_o st._n luke_n 22.19_o this_o belong_v to_o every_o one_o in_o the_o act_n of_o participation_n and_o then_o again_o as_o he_o leave_v out_o fomething_a not_o for_o he_o so_o he_o add_v somewhat_o which_o shall_v be_v for_o he_o for_o he_o read_v it_o do_v this_o all_o whereas_o all_o be_v not_o in_o the_o evangelist_n nor_o in_o the_o first_o ep._n to_o the_o cor._n 11._o again_o if_o it_o be_v uncertain_a whether_o our_o saviour_n mean_v this_o for_o woman_n and_o laique_n do_v this_o all_o then_o since_o by_o these_o word_n they_o will_v urge_v christ_n institution_n of_o the_o sacrifice_n layman_n and_o woman_n shall_v have_v the_o high_a or_o may_v have_v if_o the_o church_n please_v the_o high_a dignity_n in_o their_o account_n in_o the_o church_n and_o that_o be_v conficere_fw-la corpus_fw-la christi_fw-la and_o then_o the_o story_n of_o pope_n joan_n shall_v be_v account_v of_o by_o they_o as_o more_o tolerable_a if_o she_o may_v do_v the_o office_n of_o a_o priest_n she_o may_v also_o do_v the_o office_n of_o a_o pope_n whether_o lawful_a mission_n of_o priest_n can_v be_v grant_v by_o layman_n or_o no._n what_o and_o must_v all_o we_o upon_o necessity_n of_o salvation_n know_v infallible_o this_o whether_o this_o priest_n be_v send_v by_o a_o layman_n though_o a_o layman_n have_v not_o nor_o can_v have_v any_o authority_n to_o send_v and_o the_o roman_a in_o this_o give_v more_o liberty_n to_o layman_n than_o the_o scripture_n or_o our_o church_n yet_o be_v it_o necessary_a for_o every_o one_o to_o salvation_n to_o know_v whether_o such_o a_o one_o which_o do_v the_o office_n of_o a_o minister_n be_v legal_o send_v or_o not_o must_v every_o layman_n examine_v his_o commission_n and_o our_o savior_n institution_n herein_o be_v our_o rule_n who_o give_v power_n to_o other_o by_o that_o authority_n which_o he_o have_v receive_v from_o his_o father_n as_o st._n mat._n 28.18_o authoritate_fw-la mihi_fw-la commissa_fw-la all_o authority_n be_v give_v i_o in_o heaven_n and_o on_o earth_n go_v you_o therefore_o now_o layman_n have_v no_o authority_n and_o therefore_o they_o can_v give_v any_o authority_n according_a to_o the_o rule_n also_o and_o what_o kind_n of_o ordination_n be_v necessary_a for_o their_o function_n and_o what_o commission_n be_v necessary_a for_o their_o lawful_a mission_n and_o also_o what_o power_n to_o make_v that_o be_v to_o consecrate_v and_o administer_v sacrament_n
those_o text_n defend_v do_v sufficient_o confirm_v the_o scripture_n sufficiency_n in_o matter_n and_o manner_n to_o this_o end_n of_o salvation_n we_o do_v not_o say_v that_o all_o thing_n necessary_a to_o decide_v all_o controversy_n be_v plain_o set_v down_o in_o it_o that_o be_v not_o our_o assertion_n nor_o the_o state_n of_o the_o question_n betwixt_o we_o our_o position_n may_v be_v true_a and_o yet_o this_o false_a for_o all_o thing_n necessary_a to_o salvation_n may_v be_v plain_o set_v down_o in_o scripture_n and_o yet_o not_o all_o thing_n necessary_a to_o decide_v all_o controversy_n neither_o can_v they_o maintain_v this_o of_o their_o church_n which_o they_o think_v more_o fit_a to_o decide_v controversy_n than_o scripture_n for_o then_o why_o do_v not_o the_o trent_n council_n clear_o determine_v on_o which_o part_n many_o question_n shall_v be_v hold_v but_o the_o plainness_n of_o thing_n necessary_a be_v in_o scripture_n sufficient_a against_o the_o necessity_n of_o any_o controversy_n as_o the_o fullness_n be_v sufficient_a against_o the_o necessity_n of_o tradition_n which_o be_v their_o word_n unwritten_a and_o therefore_o be_v not_o we_o bind_v by_o any_o necessity_n of_o our_o cause_n to_o find_v any_o text_n wherein_o we_o be_v oblige_v to_o take_v the_o scripture_n for_o our_o only_a judge_n of_o controversy_n for_o the_o text_n before_o maintain_v be_v good_a to_o prove_v we_o oblige_v to_o scripture_n for_o salvation_n whereunto_o thing_n necessary_a be_v plain_o set_v down_o if_o he_o may_v have_v make_v the_o state_n of_o the_o question_n for_o his_o own_o turn_n my_o discourse_n shall_v have_v be_v impertinent_a a_o ruffle_a adversary_n will_v have_v say_v that_o he_o have_v shift_v and_o shuffle_v in_o the_o change_n of_o the_o question_n as_o if_o we_o have_v hold_v that_o the_o scripture_n do_v contain_v all_o thing_n necessary_a to_o decide_v all_o controversy_n all_o prime_a controversy_n necessary_a to_o salvation_n if_o there_o need_v be_v any_o it_o do_v and_o that_o be_v sufficient_a for_o we_o against_o they_o but_o he_o think_v he_o have_v devise_v a_o way_n how_o this_o opinion_n may_v be_v make_v good_a that_o the_o scripture_n do_v suffice_v for_o the_o decide_n of_o all_o controversy_n thus_o yet_o the_o scripture_n want_v not_o that_o glory_n of_o be_v sufficient_a to_o decide_v all_o imaginable_a controversy_n because_o she_o teach_v we_o that_o christ_n have_v erect_v a_o church_n build_v upon_o a_o rock_n the_o pillar_n and_o ground_n of_o truth_n have_v the_o spirit_n of_o truth_n abide_v with_o she_o to_o teach_v she_o all_o truth_n o_o excellent_a provision_n for_o the_o honour_n of_o scripture_n one_o in_o the_o trent_n council_n as_o i_o remember_v do_v not_o like_a reference_n but_o will_v have_v all_o do_v uniform_o by_o the_o same_o hand_n but_o we_o must_v from_o scripture_n refer_v to_o the_o church_n and_o as_o it_o be_v say_v of_o cardinal_n bellarmin_n that_o be_v ask_v a_o question_n too_o difficult_a say_v he_o can_v not_o tell_v how_o to_o answer_v it_o but_o he_o will_v show_v the_o party_n one_o that_o can_v and_o then_o show_v he_o the_o picture_n of_o a_o excellent_a divine_a so_o the_o scripture_n can_v answer_v all_o controversy_n but_o it_o have_v reputation_n in_o this_o that_o it_o can_v show_v and_o do_v a_o infallible_a judge_n of_o all_o imaginable_a controversy_n the_o church_n to_o this_o first_o methinks_v then_o if_o it_o be_v but_o for_o this_o use_n the_o scripture_n shall_v be_v more_o common_a to_o the_o laity_n because_o it_o show_v so_o clear_o this_o judge_n second_o let_v they_o show_v unto_o we_o where_o the_o scriptture_v do_v plain_o show_v unto_o we_o this_o judge_n that_o they_o may_v no_o long_o beg_v the_o question_n and_o three_o let_v they_o tell_v we_o why_o the_o church_n do_v not_o determine_v all_o controversy_n as_o we_o have_v say_v before_o not_o imaginable_a only_o but_o real_a controversy_n as_o concern_v the_o pope_n power_n in_o compare_n with_o a_o council_n and_o concern_v his_o temporal_a power_n and_o concern_v the_o right_a of_o bishop_n concern_v original_a sin_n concern_v the_o conception_n of_o the_o virgin_n be_v these_o determine_v with_o satisfaction_n to_o all_o the_o member_n of_o the_o council_n four_o do_v the_o scripture_n give_v the_o denomination_n of_o this_o church_n which_o be_v the_o pillar_n and_o ground_n of_o all_o truth_n that_o shall_v be_v the_o infallible_a judge_n five_o if_o they_o think_v the_o spirit_n of_o truth_n do_v abide_v with_o the_o church_n to_o decide_v all_o controversy_n by_o way_n of_o a_o habitual_a gift_n then_o must_v this_o church_n have_v more_o privilege_n than_o the_o apostle_n have_v for_o they_o have_v the_o spirit_n by_o way_n of_o a_o transient_a gift_n and_o therefore_o some_o particular_a question_n they_o do_v not_o decide_v by_o the_o gift_n of_o the_o spirit_n but_o the_o church_n must_v have_v a_o stand_a faculty_n to_o decide_v all_o imaginable_a controversy_n six_o may_v not_o we_o as_o well_o say_v this_o be_v for_o the_o glory_n of_o the_o church_n for_o necessary_n to_o salvation_n that_o it_o send_v we_o to_o the_o scripture_n which_o be_v infallible_a and_o clear_a enough_o in_o thing_n of_o necessary_a faith_n this_o honour_n the_o father_n before_o the_o universal_a bishop_n give_v to_o the_o scripture_n the_o romanist_n now_o will_v arrogate_v it_o to_o the_o church_n if_o they_o must_v be_v bring_v to_o a_o competition_n which_o in_o ingenuity_n shall_v carry_v the_o honour_n the_o scripture_n according_a to_o the_o father_n or_o the_o church_n according_a to_o the_o romanist_n but_o he_o think_v according_a to_o his_o principle_n he_o be_v not_o engage_v to_o find_v a_o plain_a text_n where_o this_o be_v set_v down_o that_o the_o church_n shall_v decide_v with_o infallible_a authority_n all_o our_o controversy_n because_o according_a to_o they_o all_o point_n necessary_a to_o salvation_n be_v not_o plain_o set_v down_o answ_n then_o first_o according_a to_o our_o principle_n we_o be_v not_o bind_v to_o believe_v it_o and_o we_o must_v account_v it_o no_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n because_o it_o be_v not_o plain_o set_v down_o and_o how_o then_o shall_v we_o know_v it_o what_o by_o its_o own_o light_n or_o may_v we_o know_v the_o church_n by_o scripture_n and_o not_o the_o infallibility_n which_o be_v the_o privilege_n second_o how_o then_o can_v he_o say_v by_o scripture_n that_o god_n have_v provide_v a_o way_n so_o direct_v that_o fool_n can_v err_v three_o if_o he_o confess_v that_o there_o be_v not_o a_o clear_a text_n which_o show_v this_o privilege_n of_o and_o our_o duty_n to_o the_o church_n than_o the_o disputation_n be_v at_o a_o end_n for_o he_o will_v not_o dispute_v with_o i_o from_o the_o testimony_n of_o the_o father_n for_o cause_n best_o know_v to_o himself_o and_o if_o he_o say_v we_o must_v be_v judge_v by_o the_o church_n it_o be_v the_o question_n four_o therefore_o be_v we_o in_o this_o agree_v which_o be_v the_o main_a point_n of_o the_o question_n namely_o that_o the_o scripture_n do_v not_o plain_o set_v it_o down_o that_o the_o church_n be_v to_o decide_v with_o infallible_a authority_n all_o our_o controversy_n for_o if_o it_o be_v plain_o set_v down_o we_o also_o shall_v be_v bind_v to_o believe_v it_o as_o be_v plain_o set_v down_o though_o it_o will_v not_o therefore_o be_v necessary_a to_o salvation_n simple_o because_o it_o be_v plain_o deliver_v all_o necessary_n be_v plain_o set_v down_o according_a to_o our_o opinion_n but_o all_o that_o be_v plain_o set_v down_o be_v not_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n ex_fw-la natura_fw-la principii_fw-la and_o then_o five_o if_o he_o doubt_v of_o this_o point_n as_o to_o be_v plain_o set_v down_o in_o scripture_n than_o his_o principle_n be_v less_o capable_a of_o certainty_n than_o we_o for_o he_o have_v no_o ground_n certain_a of_o his_o faith_n upon_o the_o account_n of_o the_o church_n because_o if_o the_o church_n do_v ground_v her_o infallibility_n upon_o her_o own_o authority_n contradistinct_o to_o scripture_n she_o can_v not_o by_o her_o own_o authority_n contradistinct_o to_o scripture_n prove_v that_o she_o be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o yet_o neither_o have_v the_o church_n or_o their_o church_n for_o aught_o i_o have_v read_v in_o any_o of_o their_o council_n determine_v itself_o by_o scripture_n or_o otherwise_o infallible_a to_o the_o decision_n of_o all_o imaginable_a controversy_n nay_o neither_o do_v bellarmin_n or_o stapleton_n if_o i_o be_v not_o mistake_v assert_v the_o infallibility_n of_o the_o church_n in_o this_o extent_n therefore_o my_o adversary_n in_o this_o walk_v alone_o yet_o he_o say_v the_o text_n he_o will_v produce_v hereafter_o be_v a_o hundred_o time_n more_o clear_a that_o the_o church_n be_v to_o decide_v all_o our_o controversy_n than_o
be_v answer_v when_o it_o be_v not_o at_o the_o end_n of_o this_o section_n he_o say_v you_o high_o wrong_v st._n athanasius_n to_o say_v he_o do_v not_o hear_v the_o church_n ans_fw-fr i_o shall_v be_v very_o loath_a to_o be_v true_o guilty_a of_o this_o and_o sure_o if_o he_o grant_v that_o the_o church_n may_v be_v mistake_v in_o the_o fact_n he_o may_v be_v mistake_v in_o this_o censure_n which_o he_o shall_v have_v proceed_v in_o secundum_fw-la allegata_fw-la et_fw-la probata_fw-la i_o say_v this_o st._n athanasius_n do_v differ_v from_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o church_n when_o the_o whole_a world_n do_v groan_v under_o arrianisme_n so_o he_o do_v not_o hear_v the_o church_n as_o differ_v in_o opinion_n though_o it_o be_v not_o say_v that_o he_o do_v not_o hear_v the_o church_n as_o disobey_v the_o censure_n here_o he_o suppose_v that_o upon_o the_o virtue_n of_o former_a principle_n he_o may_v conclude_v of_o the_o church_n no_o she_o can_v err_v in_o a_o error_n not_o damnable_a no_o let_v that_o which_o be_v former_o grant_v be_v compare_v with_o this_o and_o we_o shall_v conclude_v the_o contrary_n to_o excommunicate_v a_o person_n who_o be_v not_o to_o be_v excommunicate_v be_v to_o err_v the_o church_n may_v excommunicate_v a_o person_n not_o to_o be_v excommunicate_v therefore_o the_o minor_a be_v as_o good_a as_o confess_v by_o he_o because_o the_o church_n may_v be_v mistake_v in_o the_o fact_n nay_o he_o say_v it_o in_o term_n and_o so_o there_o may_v be_v a_o error_n in_o the_o mistake_n of_o the_o fact_n he_o proceed_v hence_o that_o common_a doctrine_n of_o antiquity_n that_o it_o be_v not_o possible_a to_o have_v a_o just_a cause_n of_o separate_n from_o the_o church_n ans_fw-fr beside_o the_o nullity_n of_o this_o upon_o the_o want_n of_o a_o true_a ground_n as_o before_z he_o do_v misreport_v the_o axiom_n or_o else_o he_o must_v distinguish_v of_o separate_n there_o be_v no_o just_a cause_n of_o schism_n for_o the_o proposition_n have_v in_o it_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d because_o if_o there_o be_v a_o just_a cause_n it_o be_v not_o schism_n but_o though_o every_o schism_n be_v a_o separation_n every_o separation_n be_v not_o schism_n take_v then_o separation_n in_o specie_fw-la for_o schism_n so_o it_o may_v be_v true_a but_o a_o separation_n from_o a_o church_n impose_v error_n in_o faith_n and_o thing_n unlawful_a in_o practice_n be_v not_o without_o a_o just_a cause_n and_o therefore_o be_v it_o not_o schism_n it_o be_v not_o without_o a_o just_a cause_n by_o his_o former_a confession_n just_o now_o in_o those_o word_n so_o man_n shall_v be_v bind_v to_o assent_v unto_o a_o error_n which_o be_v impossible_a and_o again_o this_o be_v to_o be_v understand_v of_o separate_n from_o the_o catholic_a church_n or_o from_o a_o particular_a church_n for_o that_o order_n wherein_o it_o agree_v with_o the_o catholic_a but_o this_o be_v not_o our_o case_n for_o the_o roman_a be_v but_o a_o particular_a church_n and_o we_o separate_v upon_o catholic_a principle_n that_o so_o we_o may_v hold_v union_n with_o the_o catholic_a church_n and_o then_o again_o there_o be_v a_o difference_n betwixt_o a_o national_a reformation_n and_o a_o private_a separation_n and_o therefore_o yet_o the_o distinction_n be_v not_o disable_v namely_o of_o separate_n from_o the_o error_n and_o not_o from_o the_o church_n unless_o it_o be_v better_o prove_v that_o the_o church_n be_v secure_v from_o all_o error_n which_o that_o text_n do_v not_o prove_v then_o go_v he_o on_o to_o take_v away_o somewhat_o i_o say_v to_o the_o text_n in_o my_o first_o and_o five_o answer_n to_o it_o he_o clap_v they_o together_o and_o will_v make_v i_o to_o conclude_v thus_o this_o make_v nothing_o for_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o universal_a church_n ans_fw-fr let_v they_o remember_v again_o for_o aquinas_n tell_v we_o that_o we_o can_v forget_v natural_a principle_n that_o the_o whole_a be_v great_a than_o the_o part_n i_o allow_v much_o to_o a_o particular_a church_n in_o correspondence_n with_o the_o universal_a therefore_o little_a to_o their_o church_n and_o if_o i_o do_v reply_n that_o this_o text_n belong_v also_o to_o particular_a church_n than_o this_o do_v redound_v to_o the_o honour_n of_o the_o universal_a church_n and_o that_o this_o do_v belong_v to_o particular_a prelate_n to_o excommunicate_v he_o himself_o do_v confess_v in_o this_o section_n therefore_o must_v he_o conclude_v that_o i_o conclude_v for_o the_o universal_a church_n and_o yet_o moreover_o in_o all_o this_o long_a gloss_n upon_o the_o text_n how_o little_a have_v we_o have_v of_o that_o upon_o which_o all_o in_o this_o discourse_n turn_v namely_o whether_o authority_n of_o excommunication_n be_v it_o in_o the_o universal_a or_o a_o particular_a church_n respect_v not_o formal_o the_o contempt_n not_o the_o non-assent_a let_v they_o speak_v less_o or_o more_o to_o the_o purpose_n and_o yet_o again_o he_o will_v drive_v it_o on_o in_o a_o loose_a way_n that_o we_o have_v a_o command_n from_o god_n to_o hear_v the_o church_n absolute_o and_o universal_o to_o this_o purpose_n he_o say_v those_o who_o disobey_v the_o judge_n disobey_v the_o commonwealth_n so_o general_o speak_v those_o who_o disobey_v the_o prelate_n of_o the_o particular_a church_n disobey_v the_o universal_a church_n command_v she_o to_o proceed_v according_a to_o her_o decree_n canon_n and_o definition_n ans_fw-fr here_o be_v not_o much_o and_o for_o they_o less_o a_o commonwealth_n be_v a_o term_n ambiguous_a and_o may_v be_v take_v strict_o or_o large_o strict_o in_o the_o form_n large_o as_o include_v head_n and_o member_n and_o in_o this_o large_a sense_n may_v be_v consider_v with_o more_o respect_n to_o the_o body_n or_o to_o the_o head_n in_o confuso_fw-la or_o in_o capite_fw-la if_o he_o take_v it_o in_o the_o strict_a sense_n it_o be_v not_o to_o any_o purpose_n because_o there_o be_v a_o different_a reason_n of_o law_n in_o the_o commonwealth_n and_o in_o the_o church_n for_o in_o a_o commonwealth_n so_o law_n proceed_v from_o they_o as_o the_o efficient_a thereof_o but_o in_o the_o church_n truth_n and_o duty_n do_v come_v from_o god_n and_o therefore_o in_o such_o case_n the_o disobedience_n reflect_v upon_o god_n now_o the_o case_n we_o dispute_v upon_o be_v in_o necessary_a truth_n and_o duty_n if_o he_o understand_v a_o commonwealth_n large_o and_o then_o with_o more_o particular_a repute_n to_o the_o people_n the_o disobedience_n to_o the_o judge_n do_v not_o reflect_v upon_o they_o unless_o objective_o and_o consequent_o because_o though_o they_o be_v not_o their_o judge_n by_o way_n of_o authority_n yet_o they_o be_v their_o judge_n in_o way_n of_o end_n for_o their_o good_a if_o it_o be_v take_v with_o more_o relation_n to_o the_o head_n who_o judge_n they_o be_v by_o authoritative_a commission_n it_o be_v true_a that_o the_o disobedience_n to_o the_o judge_n do_v redound_v upon_o he_o but_o here_o be_v difference_n betwixt_o they_o for_o particular_a prelate_n do_v not_o depend_v upon_o the_o universal_a church_n as_o judge_n do_v upon_o the_o head_n of_o a_o commonwealth_n because_o bishop_n have_v their_o authority_n by_o divine_a right_n which_o be_v contend_v for_o hot_o in_o the_o trent_n council_n and_o have_v proceed_v affirmative_o have_v not_o the_o roman_a court_n bandy_v against_o it_o and_o then_o also_o the_o matter_n of_o disobedience_n we_o speak_v of_o be_v from_o god_n not_o the_o universal_a church_n but_o the_o matter_n of_o civil_a disobedience_n to_o the_o judge_n be_v from_o the_o head_n and_o then_o again_o we_o do_v not_o speak_v of_o disobedience_n positive_a which_o my_o adversary_n do_v instance_n in_o but_o in_o obedience_n which_o be_v negative_a and_o then_o again_o particular_a prelate_n be_v not_o so_o bind_v in_o thing_n of_o particular_a order_n as_o the_o people_n be_v bind_v to_o the_o law_n of_o a_o particular_a nation_n and_o also_o then_o this_o will_v redound_v to_o the_o adversary_n prejudice_n for_o the_o particular_a prelate_n of_o their_o church_n have_v not_o proceed_v according_a to_o the_o canon_n decree_n and_o definition_n of_o the_o universal_a church_n as_o have_v be_v show_v and_o also_o this_o be_v against_o they_o because_o than_o my_o adversary_n confess_v that_o this_o text_n under_o debate_n be_v compatible_a fair_o to_o particular_a church_n and_o therefore_o they_o have_v no_o reason_n to_o appropriate_v it_o to_o themselves_o and_o so_o upon_o the_o whole_a matter_n we_o can_v say_v as_o much_o in_o a_o due_a respect_n to_o the_o catholic_a church_n as_o they_o do_v here_o and_o yet_o hold_v our_o own_o so_o then_o he_o do_v not_o contradict_v here_o and_o yet_o again_o he_o be_v importunate_a to_o prove_v that_o disobedience_n to_o the_o church_n at_o last_o redound_v to_o christ_n and_o god_n out_o of_o the_o 16
of_o sam._n 8._o they_o have_v not_o reject_v thou_o but_o i_o ans_fw-fr sure_o they_o have_v better_o have_v suppose_v this_o truth_n than_o prove_v it_o first_o and_o again_o we_o be_v not_o upon_o disobedience_n but_o inobedience_n not_o upon_o reject_v authority_n which_o god_n have_v vest_v in_o samuel_n but_o upon_o suspending_a assent_n to_o a_o truth_n propose_v and_o then_o 2._o in_o the_o time_n of_o samuel_n it_o be_v a_o plain_a 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o the_o people_n have_v law_n and_o ordinance_n give_v they_o by_o divine_a immediate_a direction_n but_o it_o be_v yet_o to_o be_v prove_v whether_o what_o church_n do_v enjoin_v do_v come_v from_o god_n immediate_o to_o the_o prelate_n and_o therefore_o since_o that_o case_n have_v contempt_n in_o it_o the_o discourse_n suit_v not_o our_o question_n and_o christ_n to_o his_o disciple_n the_o first_o prelate_n of_o the_o church_n he_o that_o despise_v you_o despise_v i_o ans_fw-fr those_o disciple_n be_v not_o in_o his_o sense_n prelate_n for_o the_o apostle_n be_v the_o prelate_n but_o these_o who_o christ_n here_o speak_v to_o be_v the_o seventy_o two_o disciple_n or_o elder_n therefore_o he_o mistake_v in_o the_o quality_n of_o the_o person_n second_o this_o be_v by_o christ_n apply_v to_o ministerial_a act_n of_o preach_v these_o other_o prelate_n seldom_o do_v yet_o if_o they_o do_v here_o be_v a_o mistake_n in_o the_o quality_n of_o the_o matter_n which_o with_o we_o be_v in_o point_n of_o jurisdiction_n the_o main_a text_n then_o be_v st._n matt._n 23.2_o the_o scribe_n and_o pharisee_n sit_v in_o moses_n chair_n all_o whatsoever_o therefore_o they_o say_v unto_o you_o to_o keep_v and_o do_v he_o say_v here_o mark_v these_o most_o ample_a word_n all_o therefore_o whatsoever_o ans_fw-fr we_o have_v mark_v they_o and_o yet_o can_v this_o text_n be_v understand_v reduplicative_o &_o without_o exception_n because_o the_o pharisee_n do_v teach_v error_n he_o say_v then_o many_o of_o they_o public_o do_v teach_v error_n though_o not_o by_o public_a authority_n ans_fw-fr so_o then_o they_o do_v teach_v error_n and_o public_o this_o which_o be_v affirmative_a be_v enough_o for_o we_o let_v they_o prove_v the_o negative_a for_o they_o but_o this_o be_v strange_a that_o they_o shall_v teach_v and_o teach_v public_o and_o not_o by_o public_a authority_n if_o they_o do_v teach_v they_o do_v teach_v upon_o authority_n though_o not_o with_o that_o authority_n as_o christ_n if_o they_o do_v teach_v public_o than_o they_o have_v public_a authority_n and_o do_v not_o he_o seem_v to_o profess_v that_o authority_n be_v vest_v in_o they_o by_o a_o lawful_a succession_n of_o moses_n and_o do_v my_o adversary_n think_v that_o they_o can_v sit_v in_o mose_n chair_n and_o yet_o not_o have_v public_a authority_n moses_n he_o call_v they_o the_o lawful_a successor_n of_o moses_n but_o it_o may_v be_v they_o be_v not_o in_o the_o chair_n when_o they_o do_v teach_v error_n no_o how_o then_o be_v it_o say_v the_o scribe_n and_o pharisee_n set_v in_o moses_n chair_n and_o how_o then_o do_v they_o teach_v public_o but_o they_o be_v not_o in_o the_o chair_n of_o moses_n when_o they_o do_v teach_v error_n will_v they_o say_v so_o but_o in_o their_o sense_n they_o be_v in_o the_o chair_n of_o moses_n because_o they_o understand_v thereby_o authority_n if_o they_o do_v not_o they_o be_v take_v for_o than_o they_o must_v understand_v it_o of_o teach_v the_o doctrine_n of_o moses_n and_o then_o by_o consequent_a all_o whatsoever_o must_v be_v understand_v as_o symbolical_a thereunto_o and_o if_o they_o will_v understand_v it_o thus_o we_o will_v also_o subscribe_v this_o proposition_n that_o when_o they_o do_v teach_v error_n they_o be_v not_o in_o the_o chair_n of_o moses_n as_o namely_o when_o they_o do_v teach_v for_o doctrine_n the_o tradition_n of_o man_n alas_o if_o this_o shall_v be_v apply_v to_o the_o pope_n in_o his_o chair_n how_o shall_v the_o people_n be_v able_a to_o distinguish_v betwixt_o teach_v error_n public_o which_o my_o adversary_n do_v acknowledge_v and_o teach_v they_o public_o with_o public_a authority_n which_o he_o deny_v they_o who_o former_o have_v tell_v we_o that_o it_o be_v so_o easy_a a_o way_n to_o find_v by_o the_o church_n to_o heaven_n do_v now_o say_v that_o which_o show_v it_o be_v a_o hard_a matter_n to_o find_v the_o church_n teach_v by_o public_a authority_n one_o be_v imperfect_a in_o sight_n ask_v his_o servant_n whether_o there_o be_v not_o such_o a_o thing_n in_o the_o window_n and_o the_o servant_n ask_v the_o master_n whether_o there_o be_v such_o a_o window_n they_o tell_v we_o that_o there_o be_v in_o the_o church_n infallibility_n teach_v by_o public_a authority_n and_o other_o ask_v the_o question_n where_o be_v that_o church_n and_o when_o shall_v we_o know_v when_o it_o teach_v so_o he_o tell_v we_o that_o they_o can_v do_v any_o thing_n against_o scripture_n when_o they_o proceed_v by_o way_n of_o define_v with_o public_a authority_n yea_o but_o we_o must_v have_v another_o infallibility_n to_o assure_v we_o that_o they_o do_v now_o thus_o define_v let_v they_o infallible_o define_v when_o the_o church_n do_v infallible_o define_v since_o all_o good_a discourse_n begin_v with_o a_o definition_n and_o then_o let_v they_o tell_v we_o by_o what_o method_n we_o may_v come_v to_o the_o knowledge_n of_o this_o proposition_n that_o the_o ruler_n of_o the_o jew_n condemn_v christ_n by_o private_a authority_n neither_o be_v that_o to_o be_v swallow_v 3.17_o acts._n 3.17_o that_o the_o church_n to_o the_o full_a have_v now_o as_o much_o reason_n to_o be_v hear_v as_o the_o old_a jewish_a church_n then_o for_o if_o he_o take_v the_o church_n here_o for_o the_o church_n universal_a it_o be_v more_o likely_a indeed_o what_o he_o say_v but_o how_o be_v that_o possible_a to_o make_v a_o address_n to_o they_o upon_o all_o occasion_n unless_o there_o be_v a_o stand_v representative_a but_o if_o he_o take_v the_o church_n here_o for_o a_o particular_a church_n by_o way_n of_o a_o individuum_fw-la vagum_fw-la or_o determinate_o of_o the_o roman_a it_o be_v indeed_o possible_a to_o make_v with_o more_o expedition_n address_v to_o such_o but_o than_o it_o will_v be_v show_v to_o be_v likely_a that_o any_o particular_a church_n of_o any_o one_o denomination_n shall_v have_v such_o privilege_n annex_v to_o it_o as_o the_o old_a jewish_a church_n have_v especial_o if_o we_o take_v in_o into_o the_o account_n of_o the_o old_a jewish_a church_n those_o extraordinary_a revelation_n of_o god_n immediate_o make_v to_o moses_n and_o the_o priest_n and_o the_o prophet_n whereof_o malachi_n be_v the_o last_o indeed_o such_o a_o infallibility_n only_o will_v serve_v their_o turn_n but_o till_o they_o prove_v it_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o as_o the_o synagogue_n authority_n be_v not_o limit_v so_o as_o to_o be_v obey_v and_o hear_v only_o in_o point_n of_o trespass_n betwixt_o brother_n and_o brother_n but_o be_v to_o be_v extend_v to_o all_o whatsoever_o they_o shall_v order_v so_o you_o can_v without_o depress_v the_o authority_n of_o christ_n church_n who_o have_v a_o better_a covenant_n establish_v upon_o better_a promise_n hebr._n 8.6_o hinder_v her_o power_n from_o be_v extend_v to_o all_o whatsoever_o she_o shall_v order_v ans_fw-fr this_o undoe_v all_o i_o take_v the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d of_o my_o adversary_n for_o my_o major_a proposition_n then_o i_o assume_v what_o proportion_n the_o synagogue_n have_v to_o the_o whole_a jewish_a church_n a_o particular_a church_n have_v to_o the_o universal_a church_n therefore_o every_o particular_a church_n be_v not_o limit_v in_o authority_n but_o as_o he_o say_v of_o the_o synagogue_n that_o its_o authority_n be_v not_o limit_v so_o as_o to_o be_v obey_v and_o hear_v etc._n etc._n and_o then_o what_o need_v of_o a_o universal_a church_n &_o bishop_n &_o council_n indeed_o such_o a_o power_n will_v be_v requisite_a for_o the_o roman_a church_n because_o they_o can_v stretch_v it_o beyond_o a_o particular_a church_n but_o this_o spoil_n all_o his_o discourse_n in_o his_o four_o first_o chapter_n which_o he_o say_v he_o intend_v as_o for_o the_o universal_a church_n but_o what_o use_v of_o this_o when_o a_o particular_a may_v soon_o and_o more_o easy_o decide_v all_o have_v all_o authority_n to_o command_v and_o to_o be_v obey_v in_o all_o thing_n which_o she_o shall_v order_v thus_o not_o only_o the_o five_o patriarchates_n be_v independent_a of_o any_o one_o and_o have_v all_o jurisdiction_n within_o their_o own_o division_n but_o other_o church_n national_a may_v be_v independent_a and_o independent_o may_v be_v church_n and_o since_o ten_o man_n with_o the_o jew_n make_v a_o people_n and_o a_o people_n make_v a_o capacity_n of_o a_o synagogue_n why_o
true_a high_a priest_n because_o he_o be_v accept_v by_o the_o jew_n 2._o without_o a_o true_a pope_n the_o church_n may_v err_v and_o so_o err_v in_o the_o choice_n of_o a_o true_a pope_n and_o then_o we_o be_v never_o a_o whit_n the_o near_o and_o then_o three_o christ_n be_v not_o the_o true_a high_a priest_n because_o he_o be_v not_o accept_v by_o the_o jew_n but_o condemn_v and_o then_o again_o as_o well_o the_o council_n may_v be_v infallible_a without_o a_o true_a high_a priest_n as_o a_o general_n council_n since_o without_o any_o pope_n or_o head_n thereof_o but_o the_o four_o general_a council_n they_o will_v say_v be_v infallible_a and_o yet_o we_o say_v there_o be_v no_o pope_n then_o in_o their_o sense_n therefore_o the_o council_n of_o arimnium_fw-la which_o he_o speak_v of_o here_o be_v not_o fallible_a upon_o that_o account_n namely_o because_o it_o be_v not_o confirm_v by_o the_o pope_n for_o the_o other_o council_n be_v not_o confirm_v by_o a_o pope_n neither_o there_o be_v then_o none_o and_o if_o the_o council_n of_o ariminum_n do_v themselves_o choose_v a_o pope_n than_o he_o be_v accept_v by_o they_o and_o so_o he_o be_v the_o true_a pope_n as_o before_o he_o say_v then_o this_o true_a high_a priest_n namely_o christ_n err_v not_o the_o true_a head_n of_o the_o church_n not_o err_v the_o church_n can_v be_v say_v to_o err_v iterum_fw-la crispinus_n this_o be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v christ_n a_o external_a head_n in_o the_o policy_n of_o the_o church_n if_o so_o my_o adversary_n and_o the_o disciplinarian_o may_v join_v principle_n for_o their_o government_n and_o upon_o this_o account_n the_o pope_n shall_v not_o be_v style_v only_o the_o vicar_n of_o christ_n and_o successor_n of_o st._n peter_n but_o also_o the_o successor_n of_o christ_n the_o sea_n be_v void_a by_o christ_n promotion_n 2._o if_o christ_n be_v the_o true_a head_n of_o the_o church_n than_o the_o pope_n be_v the_o false_a head_n unless_o the_o pope_n and_o christ_n be_v all_o one_o or_o let_v they_o distinguish_v that_o christ_n be_v a_o true_a head_n in_o one_o sense_n namely_o the_o vital_a and_o spiritual_a head_n the_o pope_n only_o the_o ministerial_a head_n and_o if_o they_o thus_o distinguish_v then_o though_o the_o vital_a head_n do_v not_o err_v the_o ministerial_a head_n may_v err_v three_o christ_n as_o the_o true_a head_n of_o his_o church_n have_v relation_n to_o the_o church_n invisible_a but_o we_o have_v now_o to_o do_v with_o the_o church_n as_o visible_a and_o upon_o this_o consideration_n the_o promise_n which_o be_v make_v in_o christ_n and_o by_o christ_n to_o the_o church_n as_o st._n math._n 16._o and_o elsewhere_o shall_v not_o be_v make_v to_o the_o church_n virtual_a or_o to_o the_o church_n representative_a but_o invisible_a unto_o which_o proper_o he_o have_v relation_n as_o head_n and_o thus_o we_o acknowledge_v the_o promise_n make_v to_o the_o church_n against_o error_n be_v true_a namely_o against_o error_n damnative_n four_o if_o they_o close_o intend_v this_o which_o be_v say_v in_o service_n to_o the_o roman_a church_n so_o far_o that_o it_o can_v err_v because_o christ_n be_v the_o head_n then_o what_o christ_n do_v the_o pope_n must_v do_v and_o what_o the_o pope_n do_v christ_n must_v do_v but_o sure_o christ_n do_v whip_v the_o buyer_n and_o seller_n out_o of_o the_o temple_n so_o do_v not_o the_o pope_n do_v and_o christ_n institute_v his_o supper_n in_o both_o kind_n so_o do_v not_o the_o pope_n and_o then_o if_o what_o the_o pope_n do_v the_o same_o christ_n shall_v be_v say_v to_o do_v christ_n shall_v contradict_v himself_o for_o by_o himself_o he_o institute_v it_o in_o both_o kind_n by_o the_o pope_n in_o one_o and_o also_o christ_n in_o pope_n liberius_n do_v subscribe_v against_o his_o own_o divinity_n last_o there_o may_v have_v be_v another_o true_a head_n ministerial_a in_o the_o church_n without_o prejudice_n to_o the_o former_a may_v there_o not_o if_o not_o farewell_n pope_n and_o monarchy_n if_o so_o than_o his_o answer_n be_v none_o that_o christ_n be_v then_o the_o true_a head_n of_o the_o church_n for_o so_o neither_o caiaphas_n nor_o any_o other_o shall_v have_v be_v high_a priest_n that_o of_o st._n athanasius_n be_v touch_v even_o now_o and_o it_o be_v good_a still_o if_o council_n be_v infallible_a since_o the_o reason_n why_o that_o of_o ariminum_n shall_v not_o be_v good_a be_v not_o good_a and_o therefore_o that_o may_v be_v as_o infallible_a with_o eight_o hundred_o bishop_n as_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a with_o few_o since_o also_o according_a to_o my_o adversary_n christ_n be_v the_o true_a head_n of_o his_o church_n and_o therefore_o no_o matter_n whether_o there_o be_v any_o ministerial_a head_n or_o not_o to_o confirm_v it_o and_o as_o for_o exception_n against_o our_o english_a translation_n again_o from_o some_o of_o our_o own_o we_o need_v say_v no_o more_o for_o we_o do_v not_o hold_v the_o translation_n infallible_a as_o he_o say_v of_o a_o christian_n that_o he_o be_v munduâ—_n &_o mundandus_fw-la clear_a and_o yet_o to_o be_v cleanse_v so_o may_v it_o be_v say_v of_o the_o translation_n it_o be_v good_a and_o yet_o may_v be_v mend_v and_o have_v since_o since_o their_o exception_n but_o 2._o if_o they_o will_v argue_v from_o imperfection_n in_o one_o place_n to_o a_o corruption_n in_o the_o whole_a it_o be_v a_o fallacy_n a_o dicto_fw-la secundum_fw-la quid_fw-la but_o simple_o it_o will_v redound_v if_o they_o may_v so_o argue_v to_o the_o undo_n of_o the_o infallibility_n of_o the_o latin_a and_o purity_n too_o and_o then_o if_o he_o take_v aim_n against_o our_o english_a by_o the_o interpretation_n of_o that_o of_o malachi_n or_o the_o translation_n rather_o they_o bespeak_v a_o falsity_n in_o the_o charge_n for_o there_o be_v good_a reason_n by_o the_o connexion_n for_o that_o reddition_n here_o we_o have_v little_a but_o a_o rhapsody_n of_o repetition_n of_o former_a ground_n which_o be_v show_v to_o be_v rot_v he_o can_v solid_o build_v nothing_o his_o first_o and_o principal_a ground_n here_o be_v that_o the_o church_n can_v err_v and_o this_o yet_o be_v the_o main_a question_n and_o therefore_o his_o compare_n betwixt_o the_o priest_n declare_v the_o law_n of_o the_o church_n and_o our_o minister_n declare_v the_o law_n of_o scripture_n by_o the_o original_n be_v not_o well_o ground_v first_o because_o that_o ground_n be_v not_o make_v good_a second_o because_o we_o do_v not_o urge_v infallibility_n by_o the_o minister_n as_o they_o must_v and_o three_o because_o though_o their_o priest_n shall_v infallible_o convey_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n yet_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n may_v be_v fallible_a so_o be_v not_o scripture_n in_o the_o original_a and_o what_o he_o say_v concern_v most_o corrupt_a translation_n have_v be_v former_o answer_v in_o compare_n with_o their_o latin_n which_o they_o pretend_v infallible_a and_o be_v not_o and_o therefore_o their_o church_n be_v not_o infallible_a but_o we_o pretend_v not_o translation_n infallible_a though_o better_a then_o they_o be_v now_o that_o we_o be_v not_o assure_v of_o true_a scripture_n and_o if_o so_o yet_o not_o of_o the_o true_a sense_n have_v be_v answer_v as_o to_o thing_n necessary_a and_o more_o assure_v than_o they_o by_o their_o church_n that_o many_o necessary_a controversy_n be_v not_o contain_v in_o scripture_n have_v be_v refell_v and_o return_v to_o they_o with_o use_n we_o have_v show_v that_o they_o have_v no_o reason_n to_o take_v away_o from_o the_o people_n the_o use_n of_o scripture_n that_o chaos_n of_o corruption_n in_o our_o english_a be_v more_o easy_o deny_v then_o prove_v and_o the_o recrimination_n to_o latin_a be_v more_o easy_o prove_v then_o deny_v and_o as_o for_o the_o take_n of_o the_o law_n from_o the_o mouth_n of_o the_o priest_n to_o be_v as_o secure_v as_o to_o take_v the_o signification_n of_o a_o word_n in_o scripture_n from_o the_o public_a consent_n of_o all_o man_n they_o may_v know_v if_o they_o have_v no_o more_o for_o faith_n they_o have_v no_o faith_n divine_a as_o the_o effect_n can_v exceed_v the_o cause_n so_o the_o assent_n can_v exceed_v the_o ground_n thereof_o aqua_fw-la tantum_fw-la ascendit_fw-la quantum_fw-la descendit_fw-la their_o permission_n of_o scripture_n be_v in_o that_o language_n which_o the_o people_n do_v not_o understand_v and_o this_o be_v not_o then_o to_o permit_v they_o scripture_n which_o be_v as_o he_o say_v know_v to_o most_o and_o breed_v man_n in_o learning_n and_o he_o have_v no_o reason_n sure_o to_o speak_v of_o vulgar_a translation_n for_o sure_o they_o be_v the_o vulgar_a latin_a though_o christen_v by_o the_o trent_n council_n and_o never_o a_o whit_n the_o better_a for_o that_o and_o i_o hope_v his_o
he_o have_v be_v condemn_v by_o himself_o because_o by_o the_o church_n than_o have_v he_o be_v condemn_v by_o himself_o extrinsecal_o to_o himself_o or_o he_o and_o the_o church_n must_v have_v be_v all_o one_o therefore_o whether_o he_o have_v the_o doctrine_n from_o the_o church_n or_o immediate_o from_o any_o one_o of_o the_o apostle_n yet_o be_v he_o condemn_v by_o that_o doctrine_n as_o be_v impress_v upon_o his_o own_o conscience_n so_o that_o i_o have_v as_o much_o as_o i_o can_v desire_v by_o this_o discourse_n namely_o that_o be_v possible_a for_o we_o to_o be_v judge_v and_o condemn_v within_o ourselves_o of_o heresy_n without_o a_o external_a judge_n which_o then_o be_v not_o full_o and_o exact_o i_o be_o sure_o constitute_v according_a to_o the_o mind_n of_o our_o adversary_n although_o in_o purity_n of_o doctrine_n the_o church_n be_v better_a then_o then_o ever_o she_o be_v since_o that_o time_n 19_o n._n 19_o in_o this_o he_o begin_v more_o solemn_o to_o tell_v we_o what_o he_o mean_v by_o the_o name_n of_o the_o church_n and_o wherein_o consist_v the_o power_n of_o infallibility_n in_o a_o decree_n or_o definition_n of_o the_o church_n and_o first_o he_o tell_v we_o who_o be_v to_o be_v exclude_v from_o a_o decisive_a voice_n child_n and_o woman_n and_o layman_n and_o inferior_a clergy_n thus_o he_o proceed_v first_o by_o exclusion_n as_o they_o do_v in_o the_o choice_n of_o a_o pope_n and_o then_o he_o go_v on_o by_o way_n of_o a_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o so_o he_o make_v the_o subject_n of_o the_o power_n of_o this_o decree_n to_o be_v the_o prime_a pastor_n &_o praelat_n of_o the_o church_n assemble_v together_o in_o a_o lawful_a general_n council_n with_o their_o chief_a pastor_n and_o head_n the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n this_o the_o progress_n of_o this_o paragraph_n well_o but_o our_o question_n be_v of_o the_o predicate_v whether_o the_o church_n thus_o constitute_v be_v infallible_a in_o its_o decree_n and_o therefore_o since_o he_o here_o have_v no_o argument_n he_o have_v bind_v we_o not_o to_o have_v a_o answer_n and_o yet_o may_v we_o note_v that_o if_o he_o mean_v the_o formation_n of_o a_o church_n to_o be_v thus_o we_o can_v more_o clear_o contradict_v he_o in_o what_o he_o say_v former_o that_o the_o church_n be_v form_v before_o st._n paul_n conversion_n it_o be_v not_o so_o form_v and_o yet_o 2._o we_o may_v as_o well_o dispute_v here_o the_o subject_n of_o the_o question_n whether_o the_o church_n thus_o form_v be_v infallible_a in_o its_o decree_n as_o he_o dispute_v the_o a_o sit_v of_o scripture_n when_o we_o be_v upon_o the_o predicate_a whether_o the_o scripture_n be_v sufficient_a to_o salvation_n and_o sure_o i_o may_v do_v this_o legal_o because_o i_o be_o a_o respondent_fw-la and_o i_o may_v do_v it_o also_o more_o bold_o because_o i_o know_v they_o can_v make_v good_a the_o predicate_a that_o this_o church_n be_v thus_o form_v infallible_a in_o its_o decres_fw-la and_o as_o to_o his_o exclusion_n then_o we_o can_v confront_v he_o with_o the_o opinion_n of_o alphonsus_n de_fw-fr castro_n who_o will_v have_v have_v a_o chapter_n against_o he_o for_o his_o exclusion_n since_o he_o make_v the_o acceptation_n of_o the_o diffuse_a church_n to_o be_v necessary_a to_o inerrability_n and_o as_o to_o the_o chief_a pastor_n and_o head_n he_o speak_v it_o cum_fw-la privilegio_fw-la sure_o as_o if_o not_o only_o what_o the_o pope_n say_v be_v not_o to_o be_v question_v but_o also_o what_o be_v say_v of_o he_o they_o will_v never_o prove_v that_o there_o ever_o be_v to_o be_v any_o such_o chief_a pastor_n and_o head_n of_o the_o church_n universal_a dejure_v nor_o can_v they_o ever_o prove_v that_o there_o be_v the_o facto_fw-la any_o one_o so_o call_v till_o boniface_n the_o three_o who_o have_v the_o title_n grant_v he_o by_o phocas_n but_o non_fw-la fuit_fw-la sic_fw-la ab_fw-la initio_fw-la and_o the_o rule_n be_v good_a errores_fw-la ad_fw-la sva_fw-la principia_fw-la reducere_fw-la est_fw-la refellere_fw-la and_o therefore_o either_o the_o church_n be_v not_o always_o infallible_a or_o be_v infallible_a without_o council_n because_o for_o above_o three_o hundred_o year_n be_v no_o general_n council_n and_o therefore_o why_o do_v he_o urge_v the_o necessity_n of_o council_n unto_o infallibility_n and_o when_o there_o be_v council_n afterward_o till_o trent_n council_n inclusive_o either_o the_o council_n be_v fallible_a with_o a_o pope_n or_o may_v be_v infallible_a without_o he_o because_o till_o boniface_n the_o three_o there_o be_v no_o such_o pope_n as_o head_n or_o head_n as_o pope_n and_o therefore_o why_o do_v they_o urge_v the_o necessity_n of_o a_o pope_n for_o their_o infallibility_n this_o he_o do_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o before_o and_o now_o shall_v have_v be_v prove_v since_o he_o know_v that_o this_o be_v not_o grant_v on_o both_o side_n as_o the_o scripture_n be_v to_o be_v the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o he_o that_o be_v a_o seeker_n of_o his_o religion_n will_v never_o find_v the_o pope_n to_o be_v in_o the_o church_n as_o a_o king_n in_o his_o kingdom_n who_o be_v no_o part_n of_o the_o representative_a proper_o and_o if_o he_o will_v have_v the_o pope_n no_o more_o than_o part_n of_o the_o representative_a he_o shall_v be_v no_o more_o head_n of_o the_o church_n than_o as_o a_o speaker_n in_o a_o assembly_n and_o how_o shall_v he_o be_v then_o the_o church_n virtual_a as_o the_o high_a romanist_n do_v speak_v of_o he_o and_o therefore_o the_o pope_n in_o the_o time_n of_o the_o trent_n council_n will_v not_o suffer_v that_o title_n of_o the_o council_n to_o proceed_v that_o it_o shall_v be_v call_v the_o representative_a because_o though_o he_o and_o his_o courtier_n esteem_v he_o the_o head_n of_o the_o church_n and_o so_o shall_v have_v be_v superior_a to_o the_o body_n of_o the_o church_n yet_o he_o conceive_v that_o they_o intend_v to_o take_v he_o in_o confuse_o in_o the_o representative_a and_o so_o to_o exclude_v his_o head-ship_n but_o second_o he_o than_o allow_v a_o man_n to_o be_v a_o seeker_n of_o his_o religion_n then_o he_o do_v allow_v he_o that_o liberty_n which_o he_o sometime_o have_v dispute_v against_o namely_o to_o exercise_v his_o judgement_n of_o discretion_n in_o matter_n of_o religion_n for_o he_o will_v have_v he_o most_o prudent_o judge_v himself_o bind_v to_o to_o join_v she_o the_o church_n in_o faith_n be_v convince_v that_o she_o direct_v most_o secure_o in_o faith_n so_o this_o be_v theâ—r_a sense_n they_o allow_v discretion_n to_o join_v with_o they_o but_o not_o to_o differ_v three_o shall_v he_o be_v bind_v to_o join_v himself_o to_o the_o whole_a church_n or_o not_o if_o to_o the_o whole_a then_o to_o that_o part_n local_o which_o most_o agree_v with_o the_o whole_a in_o doctrine_n and_o discipline_n and_o practice_n but_o then_o can_v he_o not_o most_o prudent_o join_v himself_o to_o the_o roman_a church_n because_o that_o have_v go_v away_o from_o the_o catholic_a in_o all_o those_o particular_n and_o therefore_o we_o may_v conclude_v it_o to_o be_v our_o wisdom_n to_o find_v our_o direction_n in_o faith_n most_o secure_o in_o the_o scripture_n 20._o n._n 20._o this_o number_n he_o spend_v in_o the_o power_n of_o council_n to_o such_o power_n i_o make_v exception_n he_o will_v here_o remove_v they_o the_o first_o about_o the_o uncertainty_n of_o the_o irregularity_n of_o the_o pope_n to_o this_o he_o say_v he_o to_o who_o the_o church_n submit_v in_o call_v the_o council_n and_o who_o the_o church_n admit_v as_o her_o lawful_a head_n to_o preside_v he_o be_v right_a these_o act_n do_v supply_v all_o defect_n in_o the_o election_n but_o first_o suppose_v he_o be_v not_o a_o priest_n can_v the_o church_n submission_n or_o admission_n of_o he_o make_v he_o a_o regular_a pope_n and_o this_o that_o he_o be_v a_o priest_n they_o can_v be_v sure_a of_o by_o certainty_n of_o faith_n according_a to_o their_o principle_n unless_o they_o have_v a_o omniscience_n to_o know_v the_o intention_n of_o the_o ordainer_n and_o whether_o he_o be_v a_o right_a bishop_n or_o not_o second_o if_o so_o then_o cajaphas_n be_v a_o right_n high_a priest_n as_o before_z and_o yet_o he_o err_v with_o the_o council_n therefore_o a_o pope_n with_o the_o council_n may_v err_v caiaphas_n be_v submit_v to_o be_v admit_v by_o the_o assembly_n of_o the_o jew_n but_o this_o before_o and_o as_o to_o that_o he_o say_v put_v the_o case_n of_o a_o pope_n define_v with_o a_o lawful_a council_n and_o then_o prove_v he_o fallible_a if_o you_o can_v we_o answer_v first_o it_o seem_v then_o he_o will_v not_o stand_v to_o the_o maintain_n of_o a_o pope_n infallibility_n without_o a_o council_n and_o so_o then_o he_o and_o the_o jesuit_n must_v
differ_v in_o the_o point_n of_o infallible_a direction_n second_o if_o the_o pope_n be_v not_o infallible_a without_o a_o council_n then_o be_v it_o not_o infallible_a in_o a_o council_n what_o will_v they_o here_o say_v be_v he_o infallible_a without_o a_o council_n as_o the_o jesuit_n say_v or_o with_o a_o council_n only_o if_o not_o without_o than_o not_o with_o my_o reason_n be_v this_o because_o without_o the_o infallibility_n of_o the_o pope_n we_o be_v not_o sure_a of_o the_o legality_n of_o the_o council_n for_o though_o we_o suppose_v a_o assistance_n of_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n to_o council_n yet_o can_v we_o not_o be_v assure_v whether_o to_o such_o a_o council_n in_o particular_a this_o be_v yet_o a_o question_n because_o we_o can_v tell_v whether_o it_o be_v a_o right_a general_n council_n or_o not_o not_o by_o certainty_n of_o faith_n sure_o unless_o the_o pope_n be_v infallible_a in_o determine_v this_o to_o be_v a_o right_a general_n council_n three_o take_v the_o former_a proposition_n of_o he_o he_o to_o who_o the_o church_n submit_v in_o call_v the_o council_n and_o who_o the_o church_n admit_v as_o her_o lawful_a head_n so_o as_o to_o preside_v he_o be_v right_a thus_o he_o in_o effect_n and_o term_n most_o what_o and_o then_o we_o make_v a_o assumption_n to_o it_o this_o be_v in_o the_o four_o general_a council_n the_o christian_a emperor_n he_o do_v call_v they_o he_o do_v preside_v in_o they_o therefore_o where_o be_v his_o conclusion_n four_o general_a council_n be_v fallible_a though_o they_o do_v not_o err_v it_o be_v possible_a that_o they_o may_v err_v and_o therefore_o be_v they_o fallible_a well_o but_o more_o the_o trent_n council_n do_v err_v the_o trent_n council_n be_v a_o general_n council_n according_a to_o they_o therefore_o the_o major_n be_v prove_v already_o they_o err_v in_o the_o latin_a bible_n they_o err_v in_o half_a communion_n they_o err_v in_o point_n of_o merit_n which_o be_v not_o speak_v exclusive_o to_o more_o as_o for_o the_o 3._o exception_n he_o refer_v i_o to_o bellarmin_n lib._n 2._o the_o council_n cap._n 19_o that_n although_o a_o council_n without_o a_o pope_n can_v define_v any_o article_n of_o faith_n yet_o in_o time_n of_o schism_n it_o can_v judge_v which_o be_v true_a pope_n ans_fw-fr first_o how_o can_v he_o say_v that_o the_o church_n be_v so_o direct_a a_o way_n that_o fool_n can_v not_o err_v as_o before_o when_o yet_o he_o will_v suppose_v such_o a_o time_n of_o schism_n and_o bellarmin_n too_o quando_fw-la nescitur_fw-la quis_fw-la fit_a verus_fw-la papa_n when_o it_o be_v not_o know_v who_o be_v the_o true_a pope_n well_o then_o during_o the_o time_n of_o the_o schism_n who_o shall_v determine_v emergent_a controversy_n neither_o be_v the_o council_n call_v and_o what_o a_o tedious_a debate_n among_o they_o may_v there_o be_v to_o determine_v who_o shall_v be_v next_o to_o christ_n and_o if_o the_o council_n shall_v be_v as_o long_o in_o call_v and_o as_o long_o in_o be_v as_o the_o trent_n council_n be_v forty_o three_o year_n in_o both_o as_o some_o account_n how_o many_o may_v be_v damn_v in_o their_o direct_a way_n or_o else_o it_o be_v not_o so_o perilous_a for_o some_o controversy_n to_o be_v undetermined_a infallible_o yea_o but_o if_o so_o then_o why_o do_v they_o so_o much_o press_v a_o necessity_n of_o a_o live_a judge_n for_o decide_v all_o controversy_n according_a to_o the_o vehemency_n of_o their_o plea_n and_o the_o necessity_n of_o the_o church_n the_o live_a judge_n shall_v not_o only_o be_v always_o infallible_a but_o this_o infallible_a judge_n shall_v be_v always_o live_v but_o second_o during_o the_o time_n of_o the_o schism_n how_o shall_v we_o do_v for_o the_o call_v of_o a_o true_a council_n to_o this_o he_o say_v for_o this_o the_o prelate_n of_o the_o church_n may_v and_o ought_v to_o meet_v upon_o their_o own_o authority_n and_o assemble_v themselves_o ans_fw-fr than_o the_o power_n of_o call_v council_n be_v not_o absolute_o in_o the_o pope_n but_o in_o actu_fw-la primo_fw-la it_o be_v radicate_v in_o the_o prelate_n though_o bind_v from_o the_o second_o act_n by_o use_n of_o their_o church_n unless_o in_o fall_v then_o a_o supreme_a ecclesiastic_a authority_n be_v not_o by_o divine_a institution_n subject_v in_o the_o successor_n of_o st._n peter_n and_o than_o what_o become_v of_o their_o monarchy_n it_o seem_v then_o that_o fabric_n be_v not_o build_v upon_o god_n ground_n because_o no_o practice_n can_v hold_v good_a against_o a_o divine_a institution_n and_o thus_o the_o head_n of_o the_o church_n must_v shake_v at_o least_o the_o jesuit_n will_v shake_v their_o head_n at_o this_o doctrine_n if_o there_o be_v a_o absolute_a necessity_n of_o a_o true_a pope_n to_o call_v council_n then_o that_o which_o he_o say_v be_v not_o good_a if_o but_o of_o conveniency_n than_o we_o may_v end_v the_o controversy_n because_o either_o all_o controversy_n be_v not_o necessary_a to_o be_v end_v or_o may_v possible_o be_v end_v without_o their_o head_n of_o the_o church_n in_o the_o next_o place_n he_o touch_v then_o upon_o my_o exception_n against_o infallibility_n quoad_fw-la nos_fw-la of_o general_a council_n by_o reason_n of_o doubtfulness_n of_o their_o lawfulness_n upon_o the_o call_n of_o they_o since_o in_o the_o old_a time_n emperor_n call_v they_o not_o pope_n his_o answer_n now_o be_v your_o church_n which_o never_o have_v nor_o shall_v have_v general_a council_n be_v to_o seek_v in_o all_o thing_n belong_v to_o they_o our_o church_n in_o every_o age_n since_o constantine_n have_v be_v visible_o assemble_v in_o general_a council_n etc._n etc._n urbem_fw-la quam_fw-la dicunt_fw-la romam_fw-la melibe_n putavi_fw-la stultus_fw-la ego_fw-la huic_fw-la similem_fw-la nostrae_fw-la therefore_o he_o do_v well_o to_o give_v we_o a_o kind_a check_n for_o our_o presumption_n of_o think_v our_o church_n comparable_a with_o they_o first_o we_o do_v not_o arrogate_v to_o ourselves_o a_o power_n of_o call_v general_a council_n yet_o we_o may_v know_v what_o belong_v to_o general_n council_n as_o well_o as_o another_o particular_a church_n and_o time_n be_v when_o anselm_n have_v by_o urban_n some_o comparable_a respect_n in_o the_o honour_n of_o be_v call_v as_o pope_n of_o the_o other_o world_n and_o second_o as_o for_o their_o church_n to_o have_v be_v visible_o assemble_v almost_o in_o every_o age_n since_o constantine_n time_n if_o he_o understand_v it_o as_o call_v by_o the_o roman_a authority_n it_o be_v deny_v and_o therefore_o what_o make_v this_o for_o they_o since_o their_o church_n be_v not_o visible_o assemble_v as_o comprehend_v the_o whole_a but_o pro_fw-la rata_fw-la parte_fw-la as_o another_o particular_a church_n in_o the_o nicene_n council_n their_o church_n have_v no_o real_a superiority_n though_o it_o have_v a_o titular_a priority_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d as_o nilus_n speak_v because_o that_o be_v at_o first_o the_o imperial_a city_n three_o how_o be_v their_o church_n visible_o assemble_v in_o the_o five_o general_n council_n when_o their_o head_n will_v not_o come_v to_o the_o council_n upon_o the_o debate_n of_o the_o tria_fw-la capitula_fw-la and_o yet_o the_o council_n be_v to_o be_v account_v good_a without_o the_o pope_n yea_o against_o he_o or_o else_o the_o number_n of_o council_n must_v fail_v what_o he_o say_v about_o emperor_n be_v inconsiderable_a it_o be_v out_o of_o scripture_n evident_a that_o there_o be_v no_o divine_a institutitution_n by_o which_o either_o emperor_n be_v assure_v to_o be_v still_o find_v in_o the_o world_n or_o that_o when_o they_o have_v that_o dignity_n they_o be_v by_o divine_a institution_n invest_v with_o a_o power_n to_o call_v council_n ans_fw-fr first_o we_o may_v then_o prove_v a_o negative_a out_o of_o scripture_n by_o his_o first_o word_n and_o to_o be_v evident_a too_o which_o yet_o be_v not_o good_a if_o verbum_fw-la non_fw-la scriptum_fw-la be_v good_a second_o we_o by_o the_o same_o law_n prove_v a_o negative_a to_o pope_n in_o the_o same_o tenor_n three_o as_o for_o emperor_n we_o have_v more_o for_o they_o in_o the_o proportion_n of_o king_n for_o we_o have_v a_o promise_n for_o they_o that_o they_o shall_v be_v nurse_v father_n and_o queen_n nurse_v mother_n which_o sure_o be_v accomplish_v by_o the_o first_o christian_a emperor_n yea_o the_o term_n of_o king_n be_v then_o common_a for_o emperor_n yea_o have_v not_o the_o king_n of_o the_o jewish_a church_n divine_a authority_n in_o matter_n of_o relion_n circa_n sacra_fw-la they_o have_v not_o only_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d to_o defend_v it_o but_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d to_o rule_v it_o they_o be_v not_o only_a protector_n of_o the_o church_n as_o they_o be_v call_v in_o the_o trent_n history_n but_o governor_n and_o by_o these_o be_v the_o four_o general_n council_n call_v
author_n and_o if_o some_o of_o they_o have_v profess_v to_o take_v testimony_n upon_o his_o credit_n because_o they_o have_v not_o book_n by_o they_o i_o may_v be_v easy_o excuse_v for_o ask_v the_o question_n whether_o the_o bishop_n of_o bitonto_n do_v not_o say_v so_o and_o so_o in_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n he_o that_o ask_v a_o question_n seem_v to_o be_v wary_a of_o assert_v and_o if_o the_o opinion_n of_o one_o able_a doctor_n be_v sufficient_a to_o make_v a_o point_n probable_a as_o some_o of_o they_o have_v late_o say_v this_o point_n of_o fact_n be_v not_o altogether_o unprovided_a of_o some_o hope_n of_o probability_n my_o author_n be_v bishop_n jewel_n who_o speak_v it_o more_o than_o once_o in_o his_o apology_n neither_o have_v they_o cause_n to_o brag_v that_o their_o church_n have_v be_v the_o man_n who_o be_v still_o employ_v in_o the_o uphold_v the_o authority_n of_o council_n sure_o my_o adversary_n do_v pass_v by_o cajetan_n and_o bellarmin_n and_o valentia_n and_o do_v not_o take_v notice_n of_o what_o they_o have_v say_v towards_o fallibility_n of_o council_n even_o lawful_a that_o so_o infallibility_n and_o monarchy_n may_v be_v necessary_o devolve_v from_o heaven_n as_o a_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d into_o the_o pope_n lap_n all_o that_o make_v perstriction_n of_o the_o authority_n of_o council_n be_v not_o heretic_n it_o seem_v because_o some_o that_o be_v good_a roman_a catholic_n do_v speak_v of_o their_o fallibility_n so_o that_o this_o infallibility_n shall_v be_v entail_v upon_o the_o bishop_n universal_a and_o so_o they_o differ_v from_o my_o adversary_n platform_n of_o infallible_a direction_n in_o this_o he_o show_v himself_o high_o displease_v for_o offer_v to_o compare_v the_o determination_n of_o trent_n with_o the_o word_n of_o god_n he_o think_v it_o fine_a doctrine_n that_o determination_n of_o council_n shall_v be_v examine_v by_o such_o as_o i_o and_o he_o be_v ans_fw-fr it_o be_v half_a a_o argument_n for_o we_o that_o they_o be_v angry_a at_o this_o but_o first_o we_o do_v not_o speak_v of_o a_o authoritative_a examination_n which_o be_v forensical_a but_o a_o rational_a inquiry_n which_o be_v for_o private_a satisfaction_n 2._o if_o the_o decree_n of_o that_o council_n be_v indeed_o infallible_a they_o will_v abide_v the_o test_n if_o not_o how_o can_v we_o believe_v they_o do_v they_o think_v 3._o that_o we_o be_v more_o bind_v to_o believe_v the_o council_n of_o trent_n than_o the_o beraean_n be_v bind_v to_o believe_v what_o be_v say_v by_o st._n paul_n without_o discuss_v since_o special_o they_o be_v please_v in_o the_o trent_n council_n sometime_o to_o join_v st._n paul_n as_o partner_n with_o st._n peter_n in_o the_o honour_n of_o their_o church_n 3._o we_o may_v sure_o find_v more_o cause_n to_o examine_v the_o trent_n council_n then_o some_o other_o since_o it_o have_v not_o yet_o obtain_v in_o the_o christian_a world_n the_o reputation_n of_o a_o lawful_a general_n council_n therefore_o though_o we_o do_v not_o examine_v other_o yet_o this_o we_o may_v 4._o will_v they_o not_o have_v we_o prefer_v the_o doctrine_n of_o trent_n before_o any_o differ_v from_o it_o yes_o sure_o then_o we_o must_v inquire_v into_o it_o and_o private_o judge_v it_o otherwise_o we_o make_v a_o blind_a choice_n five_o if_o the_o consent_n of_o the_o major_a part_n which_o be_v most_o immediate_o considerable_a in_o a_o council_n shall_v moral_o bind_v why_o shall_v we_o not_o as_o well_o believe_v the_o council_n of_o ariminum_n since_o what_o else_o he_o have_v pretend_v against_o it_o be_v not_o cogent_a six_o if_o they_o think_v that_o one_o can_v think_v well_o of_o a_o lawful_a general_n council_n unless_o he_o believe_v their_o infallibility_n that_o proposition_n be_v easy_o deny_v they_o may_v be_v fallible_a and_o yet_o not_o fault_v by_o i_o in_o piety_n or_o prudence_n infallible_a conclusion_n do_v not_o follow_v upon_o moral_a principle_n the_o one_o make_v they_o careful_a the_o other_o faithful_a but_o though_o they_o do_v not_o deceive_v i_o they_o may_v be_v deceive_v themselves_o and_o if_o their_o infallibility_n do_v depend_v upon_o their_o piety_n and_o prudence_n how_o be_v we_o infallible_o certain_a of_o that_o upon_o which_o their_o infallibility_n shall_v be_v ground_v nor_o do_v my_o consideration_n of_o a_o council_n betray_v in_o i_o a_o want_n of_o charity_n or_o humility_n as_o he_o suppose_v they_o have_v themselves_o as_o disparate_v to_o theological_a faith_n and_o be_v not_o of_o the_o same_o conjugation_n humility_n dispose_v i_o to_o think_v of_o myself_o mean_o charity_n dispose_v i_o to_o think_v better_o of_o other_o because_o i_o know_v my_o own_o imperfection_n and_o do_v not_o know_v another_o perfection_n as_o aquinas_n note_n but_o if_o these_o be_v dispositive_a unto_o faith_n yet_o not_o causal_a if_o causal_n of_o faith_n yet_o of_o faith_n humane_a not_o divine_a unless_o i_o do_v see_v god_n word_n for_o believe_a man_n this_o be_v the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d if_o they_o can_v prove_v this_o we_o have_v no_o more_o to_o say_v until_o than_o i_o can_v love_v my_o adversary_n and_o think_v humble_o of_o myself_o and_o yet_o can_v be_v persuade_v that_o my_o adversary_n be_v infallible_a and_o if_o they_o be_v infallible_a in_o the_o dispute_n how_o shall_v infallibility_n be_v the_o prerogative_n of_o the_o council_n confirm_v by_o the_o pope_n so_o then_o as_o long_o as_o i_o can_v give_v reverence_n to_o a_o council_n without_o present_a faith_n i_o be_o not_o pose_v but_o they_o who_o must_v beg_v the_o question_n in_o this_o he_o charge_v i_o with_o shift_a because_o i_o say_v now_o let_v we_o not_o see_v the_o opinion_n by_o infallibility_n but_o the_o infallibility_n by_o your_o determination_n whereas_o else_o where_o i_o say_v you_o shall_v go_v a_o priori_fw-la and_o show_v that_o your_o church_n be_v infallible_a and_o therefore_o her_o definition_n to_o be_v admit_v this_o in_o effect_n he_o suppose_v to_o be_v my_o shift_n to_o evade_v his_o pressure_n of_o i_o ans_fw-fr no_o such_o matter_n good_a cause_n for_o both_o distinguish_v reason_n and_o respect_n first_o i_o hope_v they_o think_v it_o lawful_a to_o urge_v both_o way_n in_o a_o different_a kind_n of_o discourse_n we_o demonstrate_v the_o effect_n by_o the_o cause_n we_o know_v the_o cause_n by_o the_o effect_n second_o the_o way_n a_o priori_fw-la be_v more_o distinct_a and_o therefore_o this_o will_v present_o make_v a_o end_n of_o the_o controversy_n if_o it_o can_v be_v effect_v because_o it_o satisfy_v we_o in_o the_o cause_n prove_v the_o infallibility_n and_o then_o we_o fall_v down_o or_o rise_v up_o to_o the_o definition_n they_o be_v then_o to_o be_v take_v ipso_fw-la facto_fw-la and_o they_o produce_v faith_n ex_fw-la opere_fw-la operato_fw-la as_o we_o may_v speak_v this_o the_o way_n of_o nature_n but_o when_o they_o can_v make_v this_o good_a than_o the_o other_o way_n and_o quoad_fw-la nos_fw-la be_v to_o show_v we_o their_o infallibility_n by_o their_o determination_n and_o a_o easy_a way_n it_o be_v to_o we_o to_o show_v they_o the_o unlikeliness_n of_o infallibility_n by_o their_o determination_n for_o it_o be_v sufficient_a to_o the_o negative_a of_o infallibility_n to_o find_v one_o error_n in_o any_o of_o their_o definition_n but_o it_o be_v not_o sufficient_a to_o they_o for_o the_o affirmative_a of_o infallibility_n to_o prove_v that_o the_o church_n have_v not_o err_v in_o some_o particular_a definition_n the_o latitude_n of_o the_o power_n be_v not_o discharge_v by_o some_o act_n quem_fw-la saepe_fw-la transit_fw-la casus_fw-la aliquando_fw-la invent_v if_o it_o have_v err_v but_o once_o we_o be_v sure_a it_o can_v err_v than_o infallibility_n be_v destroy_v if_o it_o have_v not_o err_v in_o some_o yet_o it_o do_v not_o follow_v that_o it_o have_v not_o err_v in_o other_o yea_o if_o it_o have_v err_v in_o none_o we_o can_v ex_fw-la vi_fw-la formae_fw-la conclude_v infallibility_n unless_o it_o be_v prove_v that_o the_o power_n of_o err_v be_v bind_v in_o the_o church_n representative_a as_o the_o schoolman_n say_v the_o power_n of_o sin_v be_v bind_v in_o the_o church_n triumphant_a three_o we_o be_v now_o upon_o the_o hypothesis_n incident_o and_o so_o it_o be_v very_o reasonable_a for_o we_o to_o go_v this_o way_n with_o they_o because_o a_o particular_a church_n have_v not_o the_o privilege_n of_o the_o universal_a church_n it_o be_v general_o suppose_v that_o the_o universal_a church_n can_v err_v in_o thing_n necessary_a but_o this_o be_v not_o grant_v to_o any_o church_n of_o one_o denomination_n now_o the_o trent_n council_n belong_v to_o a_o particular_a church_n and_o therefore_o as_o to_o that_o our_o way_n of_o proceed_v be_v not_o irrational_a and_o therefore_o all_o that_o he_o say_v upon_o this_o argument_n come_v to_o
infallibility_n pretend_v be_v either_o prove_v or_o quit_v we_o may_v rejoice_v in_o more_o hope_n of_o peace_n to_o christendom_n if_o it_o be_v sufficient_o prove_v we_o shall_v present_o yield_v if_o it_o be_v quit_v they_o may_v possible_o yield_v and_o i_o will_v the_o pope_n will_v turn_v patriarch_n again_o but_o until_o it_o be_v prove_v and_o thank_v god_n for_o the_o nicene_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o no_o more_o to_o my_o adversary_n if_o i_o have_v show_v myself_o at_o all_o uncivil_a i_o be_o very_o sorry_a for_o it_o and_o what_o unhandsome_a reflection_n there_o be_v make_v by_o he_o if_o any_o upon_o i_o i_o put_v up_o upon_o good_a account_n if_o the_o pen_n at_o any_o time_n make_v a_o disorderly_a sally_n out_o unto_o a_o perstriction_n of_o the_o person_n it_o be_v a_o liberty_n which_o i_o have_v rather_o give_v than_o take_v and_o his_o paper_n be_v as_o well_o and_o as_o whole_a print_v as_o i_o and_o i_o be_o glad_a that_o they_o be_v print_v in_o the_o same_o character_n which_o be_v not_o usual_a and_o if_o i_o have_v make_v in_o my_o any_o blot_n as_o very_o likely_a i_o have_v about_o isidor_n clarius_n or_o any_o other_o author_n or_o matter_n i_o be_o very_o ready_a to_o acknowledge_v it_o it_o be_v not_o in_o my_o way_n to_o pretend_v to_o infallibility_n nor_o my_o mind_n to_o affect_v the_o reputation_n of_o he_o that_o be_v denominate_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d it_o be_v enough_o to_o i_o to_o have_v give_v any_o hint_n to_o other_o for_o better_a use_n if_o i_o have_v find_v any_o smooth_a stone_n out_o of_o the_o brook_n of_o scripture_n let_v some_o able_a pastor_n of_o the_o church_n throw_v it_o at_o that_o roman_a goliath_n and_o let_v it_o sink_v into_o his_o head_n and_o let_v saint_n jerom_n sword_n cut_v off_o not_o his_o head_n but_o his_o headship_n my_o inability_n yet_o will_v do_v i_o this_o good_a that_o it_o do_v strong_o prove_v their_o infallibility_n not_o to_o be_v good_a which_o such_o a_o puny_a of_o the_o church_n can_v go_v near_o to_o discompose_v and_o ruffle_v towards_o a_o epistle_n this_o sufficient_a since_o i_o think_v myself_o not_o worthy_a to_o give_v any_o advice_n only_o by_o my_o experience_n i_o may_v remind_v thou_o that_o it_o be_v time_n for_o we_o to_o knit_v the_o vein_n again_o of_o the_o spouse_n of_o christ_n in_o the_o breach_n whereof_o our_o adversary_n do_v so_o much_o triumph_v this_o ulysses_n will_v have_v believe_v it_o thou_o can_v not_o serve_v god_n more_o nor_o the_o roman_a better_a scissura_fw-la domestica_fw-la turbat_fw-la rem_fw-la populi_fw-la titubatque_fw-la foris_fw-la quod_fw-la dissidet_fw-la intus_fw-la and_o i_o wish_v that_o by_o the_o light_n of_o this_o conflict_n thou_o may_v see_v that_o the_o roman_a and_o the_o sectary_n be_v both_o upon_o the_o extreme_n and_o that_o the_o church_n of_o england_n as_o to_o religion_n and_o government_n go_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d so_o then_o reader_n since_o my_o adversary_n have_v also_o appeal_v unto_o thou_o unto_o thou_o let_v he_o go_v as_o he_o in_o his_o rhetoric_n l._n 1._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d thy_o servant_n in_o christ_n our_o good_a master_n sh._n a_o letter_n to_o his_o friend_n worthy_a sir_n i_o have_v with_o much_o eagerness_n and_o delight_n run_v over_o your_o solemical_a discourse_n in_o answer_n to_o a_o interpretative_a kind_n of_o challenge_n make_v by_o a_o confident_a but_o close_a adversary_n who_o wit_n i_o can_v but_o commend_v as_o in_o hide_v his_o name_n so_o in_o pick_v out_o so_o fit_a a_o time_n for_o the_o scatter_n of_o his_o insinuate_a paper_n when_o our_o so_o lamentable_a distraction_n yield_v he_o so_o favourable_a a_o advantage_n so_o have_v we_o know_v ill_a neighbour_n take_v opportunity_n of_o their_o pilfer_a when_o the_o house_n be_v on_o fire_n so_o do_v the_o crafty_a amalekite_n fall_v upon_o the_o hind_n most_o of_o israel_n when_o they_o be_v faint_a feeble_a and_o tire_v with_o their_o travel_n although_o herein_o he_o have_v make_v a_o good_a amends_o and_o merit_v our_o thanks_o in_o that_o his_o bold_a intimation_n have_v draw_v you_o forth_o into_o the_o light_n and_o fetch_v from_o you_o this_o your_o abundant_o satisfactory_a answer_n for_o his_o full_a conviction_n and_o the_o settle_n of_o unstable_a mind_n in_o this_o busy_a controversy_n certain_o there_o be_v not_o a_o great_a imposture_n in_o all_o rome_n then_o in_o the_o name_n and_o plea_n of_o the_o church_n as_o our_o learned_a bishop_n morton_n have_v long_o since_o lay_v it_o out_o or_o that_o win_v more_o of_o weak_a and_o injudicious_a soul_n for_o what_o a_o short_a cut_n be_v here_o of_o all_o controversy_n in_o religion_n what_o a_o sure-seeming_a refuge_n for_o the_o soul_n what_o a_o present_a and_o sensible_a eviction_n of_o all_o gainsayer_n the_o catholic_a church_n can_v err_v the_o roman_a church_n be_v the_o catholic_a the_o dictate_v of_o that_o church_n be_v as_o evident_a as_o infallible_a the_o scripture_n be_v ambiguous_a the_o church_n be_v clear_a and_o conspicuous_a we_o know_v where_o rome_n stand_v in_o the_o communion_n of_o that_o only_o be_v salvation_n out_o of_o that_o ark_n we_o drown_v within_o it_o be_v perfect_a safety_n may_v this_o be_v make_v good_a who_o will_v trouble_v his_o heart_n or_o his_o head_n with_o any_o further_a disquisition_n of_o truth_n who_o need_v to_o care_n for_o any_o other_o spiritual_a privilege_n then_o to_o be_v free_a of_o rome_n o_o easy_a security_n of_o our_o faith_n o_o cheap_a charter_n of_o assure_a salvation_n while_o these_o plausible_a impostor_n go_v thus_o about_o to_o flatter_v their_o ignorant_a and_o credulous_a client_n into_o a_o dangerous_a if_o not_o deadly_a misbelief_n put_v this_o break_a reed_n into_o their_o hand_n you_o have_v thus_o seasonable_o discover_v and_o check_v their_o fraud_n and_o clear_o show_v to_o these_o simple_a and_o mis-taught_a soul_n how_o unsafe_a it_o be_v for_o they_o to_o trust_v to_o so_o crazy_a and_o perilous_a a_o supportation_n which_o must_v needs_o in_o stead_n of_o ease_v wound_v they_o i_o shall_v therefore_o hereupon_o expect_v much_o good_a issue_n from_o this_o your_o well_o bestow_v labour_n why_o shall_v not_o this_o your_o so_o convictive_a discourse_n work_v effectual_o upon_o a_o ingenuous_a adversary_n to_o win_v he_o to_o the_o acknowledgement_n of_o so_o well-manifested_n a_o truth_n and_o settle_v those_o waver_a mind_n which_o seem_v to_o be_v a_o little_a shake_v with_o so_o strongly-confident_a suggestion_n and_o prevent_v the_o danger_n of_o seducement_n in_o those_o poor_a soul_n who_o simplicity_n expose_v they_o to_o the_o subtle_a temptation_n of_o misguidance_n into_o error_n such_o blessing_n of_o success_n i_o wish_v to_o your_o learned_a and_o charitable_a work_n and_o to_o yourself_o who_o have_v ever_o approve_v yourself_o so_o well_o deserve_v and_o pious_a a_o son_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n some_o better_a encouragement_n than_o these_o time_n have_v yet_o afford_v either_o to_o you_o or_o to_o higham_n april_n 8._o 1654._o be_v unfeigned_o devote_a friend_n and_o fellow-labourer_n in_o the_o work_n of_o the_o lord_n jos._n hall._n b._n n._n position_n it_o be_v not_o sufficient_a to_o make_v one_o a_o catholic_n in_o point_n of_o faith_n that_o he_o believe_v the_o same_o thing_n which_o the_o catholic_n church_n believe_v unless_o the_o catholic_n church_n be_v also_o the_o ground_n of_o his_o belief_n for_o whosoever_o do_v believe_v any_o point_n upon_o no_o other_o ground_n but_o only_o because_o it_o seem_v to_o his_o private_a judgement_n to_o be_v contain_v in_o scripture_n or_o to_o be_v in_o itself_o true_a yea_o though_o he_o shall_v believe_v in_o this_o manner_n every_o thing_n which_o the_o church_n believe_v yet_o he_o will_v not_o be_v a_o catholic_n and_o so_o may_v be_v damn_v for_o want_v of_o faith_n and_o the_o reason_n be_v because_o see_v that_o faith_n be_v to_o believe_v a_o thing_n because_o god_n reveal_v it_o and_o that_o there_o be_v no_o infallible_a way_n without_o a_o miracle_n whereby_o god_n his_o revelation_n come_v to_o we_o but_o only_o by_o the_o church_n proposition_n it_o follow_v that_o we_o can_v believe_v any_o thing_n certain_o upon_o the_o motive_n of_o god_n his_o revelation_n unless_o our_o belief_n be_v likewise_o ground_v upon_o the_o church_n proposition_n wherefore_o the_o faith_n of_o a_o catholic_n must_v consist_v in_o submit_v his_o understanding_n and_o adhere_v to_o the_o church_n and_o in_o believe_v every_o thing_n because_o she_o propose_v it_o for_o all_o other_o persuasion_n of_o our_o own_o discourse_n be_v resolve_v at_o last_o into_o our_o particular_a judgement_n or_o else_o into_o the_o judgement_n of_o other_o particular_a man_n and_o so_o can_v breed_v in_o we_o catholic_n and_o divine_a
because_o the_o scripture_n can_v not_o deceive_v whosoever_o do_v fear_n lest_o that_o he_o be_v deceive_v through_o the_o obscurity_n of_o this_o question_n may_v ask_v counsel_n touch_v it_o of_o the_o church_n who_o without_o any_o doubt_n the_o scripture_n itself_o do_v show_v the_o same_o s._n aug._n l._n 4._o de_fw-fr trin._n c._n 6._o say_v no_o lover_n of_o peace_n will_v be_v against_o the_o church_n and_o ep._n 118._o c._n 5._o he_o plain_o term_v it_o most_o insolent_a madness_n to_o dispute_v against_o that_o which_o the_o whole_a church_n hold_v i_o will_v insist_v no_o long_o upon_o the_o testimony_n of_o the_o father_n of_o which_o i_o may_v pour_v a_o whole_a shower_n against_o you_o lest_o i_o receive_v the_o ordinary_a answer_n that_o this_o their_o opinion_n be_v one_o of_o their_o navi_fw-la spot_n or_o blemish_n and_o therefore_o shall_v be_v reject_v but_o will_v â—â—ge_v your_o own_o author_n and_o protestant_n to_o who_o perhaps_o you_o will_v give_v more_o credit_n calvin_n upon_o esay_n expound_v the_o word_n of_o the_o 59_o chap._n my_o spirit_n which_o be_v in_o thou_o and_o my_o word_n which_o i_o have_v put_v in_o thy_o mouth_n shall_v not_o depart_v from_o thy_o mouth_n and_o from_o the_o mouth_n of_o thy_o seed_n and_o of_o thy_o seed_n seed_n say_v our_o lord_n from_o henceforward_o and_o for_o ever_o say_v he_o promise_v that_o the_o church_n shall_v never_o be_v deprive_v of_o this_o inestimable_a good_a but_o that_o it_o shall_v always_o be_v govern_v by_o the_o holy_a ghost_n and_o support_v with_o heavenly_a doctrine_n again_o soon_o after_o the_o promise_n be_v such_o that_o the_o lord_n will_v so_o assist_v the_o church_n and_o have_v such_o care_n of_o she_o that_o he_o will_v never_o suffer_v she_o to_o be_v deprive_v of_o true_a doctrine_n and_o his_o scholar_n beza_n de_fw-la haeret_fw-la à _fw-la civili_fw-la magistratu_fw-la puniendis_fw-la p._n 69._o confess_v that_o the_o promise_n of_o our_o saviour_n of_o the_o assistance_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n be_v not_o make_v only_o to_o the_o apostle_n but_o rather_o to_o the_o whole_a church_n d._n saravia_n in_o defence_n tract_n de_fw-fr div_o ministr_n gradib_fw-la p._n 8._o say_v the_o holy_a spirit_n which_o bear_v rule_n in_o the_o church_n be_v the_o true_a interpreter_n of_o scripture_n from_o he_o therefore_o be_v to_o be_v fetch_v the_o true_a interpretation_n and_o since_o he_o can_v be_v contrary_a to_o himself_o who_o rule_v the_o primitive_a church_n and_o govern_v the_o same_o by_o bishop_n those_o now_o to_o reject_v be_v not_o certes_o consonant_a to_o verity_n our_o lutheran_n adversary_n of_o wittenberg_n harm_n of_o confess_v sect._n 10._o p._n 332_o 333._o confess_v witten_n art_n 30._o not_o only_o confess_v the_o church_n to_o have_v authority_n to_o bear_v witness_n of_o the_o holy_a scripture_n and_o to_o interpret_v the_o same_o but_o also_o affirm_v that_o she_o have_v receive_v from_o her_o husband_n christ_n a_o certain_a rule_n to_o wit_n the_o prophetical_a and_o apostolical_a preach_v confirm_v by_o miracle_n from_o heaven_n according_a unto_o the_o which_o she_o be_v bind_v to_o interpret_v those_o place_n of_o scripture_n which_o seem_v to_o be_v obscure_a and_o to_o judge_v of_o doctrine_n field_n also_o l._n 4._o c._n 19_o &_o 20._o sect._n the_o second_o acknowledge_v in_o the_o church_n a_o rule_n of_o faith_n descend_v by_o tradition_n from_o the_o apostle_n according_a unto_o which_o he_o will_v have_v the_o scripture_n expound_v and_o we_o can_v doubt_v but_o that_o she_o have_v follow_v this_o rule_n have_v such_o assistance_n from_o god_n holy_a spirit_n furthermore_o the_o same_o dr._n field_n in_o the_o epistle_n to_o his_o treatise_n of_o the_o church_n profess_v thus_o see_v the_o controversy_n of_o religion_n be_v grow_v in_o number_n so_o many_o and_o in_o nature_n so_o intricate_a that_o few_o have_v time_n and_o leisure_n few_o strength_n of_o understanding_n to_o examine_v they_o what_o remain_v for_o man_n desirous_a of_o satisfaction_n in_o thing_n of_o such_o consequence_n but_o diligent_o to_o search_v out_o which_o among_o all_o the_o society_n of_o man_n in_o the_o world_n be_v that_o bless_a company_n of_o holy_a one_o that_o household_n of_o faith_n that_o spouse_n of_o christ_n and_o church_n of_o the_o live_a god_n which_o be_v the_o pillar_n and_o ground_n of_o truth_n that_o so_o they_o may_v embrace_v her_o communion_n follow_v her_o direction_n and_o rest_n in_o her_o judgement_n for_o brevity_n i_o will_v omit_v many_o other_o of_o our_o adversary_n who_o be_v of_o the_o same_o mind_n and_o will_v now_o press_v hard_a upon_o you_o sure_o if_o we_o believe_v the_o creed_n the_o church_n be_v holy_a if_o the_o scripture_n she_o be_v the_o spouse_n of_o our_o saviour_n without_o spot_n or_o wrinkle_n which_o eulogy_n and_o indeed_o glorious_a title_n will_v nothing_o well_o become_v she_o if_o she_o can_v teach_v we_o that_o which_o be_v false_a this_o scripture_n also_o give_v we_o these_o know_a doctrine_n and_o direction_n that_o the_o church_n be_v the_o pillar_n and_o ground_n of_o truth_n 1_o tim._n 3._o v._n 15_o etc._n etc._n that_o the_o church_n be_v build_v upon_o a_o rock_n and_o the_o gate_n of_o hell_n shall_v not_o prevail_v against_o she_o matth._n 16._o v._n 18._o he_o that_o will_v not_o hear_v the_o church_n let_v he_o be_v to_o thou_o as_o the_o heathen_a and_o the_o publican_n matth._n 18._o v._n 17._o he_o that_o hear_v you_o hear_v i_o and_o he_o that_o despise_v you_o despise_v i_o luke_o 10._o v._o 16._o loe_o i_o be_o with_o you_o even_o to_o the_o consummation_n of_o the_o world_n matth._n 28._o v._n 20._o i_o will_v ask_v the_o father_n and_o he_o will_v give_v you_o another_o paraclete_n that_o he_o may_v abide_v with_o you_o the_o spirit_n of_o truth_n jo._n 14._o v._n 16._o and_o again_o yet_o many_o thing_n i_o have_v to_o say_v unto_o you_o but_o you_o can_v bear_v they_o now_o but_o when_o the_o spirit_n of_o truth_n come_v he_o shall_v teach_v you_o all_o truth_n jo._n 16._o v._n 12_o 13._o to_o omit_v many_o other_o the_o like_a passage_n be_v scripture_n now_o this_o church_n who_o authority_n be_v thus_o warrant_v do_v precede_v the_o scripture_n which_o for_o a_o great_a part_n thereof_o be_v write_v but_o upon_o emergent_a occasion_n as_o field_n hook_n covel_n and_o other_o our_o adversary_n have_v confess_v which_o occasion_n have_v they_o not_o be_v perhaps_o we_o never_o have_v know_v this_o scripture_n suppose_v then_o we_o have_v live_v in_o those_o time_n when_o there_o have_v be_v no_o such_o scripture_n as_o many_o do_v some_o part_n thereof_o be_v not_o write_v above_o sixty_o year_n after_o our_o saviour_n ascension_n ought_v we_o not_o then_o to_o have_v believe_v the_o church_n tradition_n and_o preach_v word_n this_o church_n be_v call_v the_o pillar_n and_o ground_n of_o truth_n before_o the_o word_n be_v see_v in_o writing_n and_o the_o like_a i_o may_v say_v by_o the_o other_o place_n before_o cite_v which_o be_v now_o in_o the_o scripture_n but_o be_v deliver_v by_o word_n of_o mouth_n to_o the_o church_n before_o ever_o they_o be_v write_v by_o all_o which_o place_n the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n be_v commend_v to_o we_o and_o we_o refer_v to_o the_o say_a church_n as_o a_o guide_n in_o all_o our_o doubt_n and_o all_o these_o word_n of_o god_n be_v no_o less_o to_o be_v believe_v and_o obey_v before_o they_o be_v write_v then_o since_o even_o the_o scripture_n itself_o be_v believe_v upon_o the_o tradition_n and_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n be_v part_n of_o the_o credenda_fw-la it_o propose_v nor_o can_v we_o at_o this_o day_n have_v know_v which_o book_n be_v true_a now_o canonical_a which_o spurious_a but_o by_o the_o church_n decision_n and_o proposal_n as_o the_o say_v learned_a mr._n hooker_n and_o other_o our_o adversary_n do_v acknowledge_v again_o who_o do_v not_o ground_n his_o belief_n upon_o the_o church_n upon_o what_o do_v he_o ground_n it_o but_o upon_o his_o own_o fancy_n or_o private_a interpretation_n of_o scripture_n the_o true_a source_n and_o nurse_n of_o all_o heresy_n and_o such_o as_o these_o may_v indeed_o be_v find_v upon_o ancient_a account_n as_o helvidius_n vigilantius_n and_o the_o rest_n of_o heretic_n as_o the_o catholic_n church_n do_v then_o account_v they_o now_o to_o that_o which_o be_v insinuate_v that_o the_o scripture_n be_v sometime_o acknowledge_v the_o rule_n of_o faith_n and_o manner_n it_o be_v answer_v that_o it_o be_v so_o now_o but_o this_o do_v no_o way_n hinder_v the_o church_n be_v the_o ground_n of_o our_o belief_n for_o the_o church_n be_v both_o the_o ground_n of_o our_o believe_v the_o scripture_n and_o also_o the_o interpreter_n of_o scripture_n as_o be_v above_o confess_v by_o our_o adversary_n
and_o not_o private_a spirit_n which_o i_o can_v esteem_v no_o better_o than_o a_o fantastical_a if_o not_o a_o fanatical_a opinion_n and_o be_v diametrical_o opposite_a to_o the_o word_n of_o the_o second_o of_o st._n peter_n 1.20_o no_o prophecy_n of_o scripture_n be_v make_v by_o private_a interpretation_n and_o all_o this_o speak_v here_o and_o in_o the_o position_n etc._n etc._n of_o the_o church_n be_v mean_v of_o such_o a_o church_n as_o do_v true_o deserve_v the_o name_n of_o catholic_n and_o so_o it_o will_v appear_v that_o all_o the_o discourse_n in_o this_o paper_n i_o receive_v of_o the_o roman_a church_n consider_v as_o a_o particular_a church_n or_o any_o other_o particular_a church_n be_v but_o impertinent_a and_o extravagant_a now_o also_o i_o must_v assure_v the_o answerer_n that_o the_o pontifician_n do_v not_o make_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n the_o formal_a object_n of_o their_o faith_n as_o he_o do_v impose_v upon_o they_o for_o they_o acknowledge_v that_o to_o be_v the_o revelation_n of_o god_n or_o the_o authority_n of_o god_n reveal_v which_o cause_v their_o belief_n to_o the_o supernatural_a and_o divine_a and_o not_o only_a natural_a and_o humane_a as_o be_v the_o belief_n that_o there_o be_v such_o a_o city_n as_o rome_n or_o that_o there_o be_v a_o william_n the_o conqueror_n etc._n etc._n which_o kind_n of_o faith_n be_v all_o that_o heretic_n have_v and_o all_o such_o as_o do_v not_o ground_v their_o belief_n upon_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n i_o can_v also_o but_o observe_v in_o the_o receive_a paper_n that_o it_o be_v improper_o enough_o call_v excess_n of_o faith_n as_o it_o be_v there_o oppose_v to_o want_v of_o faith_n to_o believe_v more_o than_o necessary_a for_o the_o number_n of_o thing_n believe_v do_v not_o alter_v the_o nature_n of_o faith_n itself_o and_o last_o i_o must_v tax_v he_o of_o false_a allege_v the_o word_n in_o the_o reason_n thus_o there_o be_v no_o infallible_a way_n without_o a_o miracle_n of_o his_o god_n revelation_n come_v to_o we_o but_o by_o their_o church_n whereas_o in_o the_o paper_n deliver_v it_o be_v the_o church_n abstract_v from_o all_o particular_a church_n and_o mean_v the_o true_a church_n which_o soever_o it_o be_v and_o this_o be_v do_v but_o to_o make_v way_n for_o that_o needless_a excursion_n which_o there_o follow_v the_o rejoynder_n sir_n there_o be_v no_o great_a reason_n for_o i_o to_o rejoin_v first_o because_o you_o wave_v the_o application_n of_o your_o discourse_n as_o to_o the_o roman_a church_n which_o be_v not_o ordinary_a for_o those_o of_o your_o profession_n when_o they_o speak_v high_o of_o the_o catholic_a church_n second_o because_o i_o may_v let_v you_o alone_o to_o answer_v the_o first_o paper_n with_o your_o second_o as_o to_o the_o main_a of_o it_o three_o because_o the_o great_a part_n of_o it_o have_v one_o fault_n not_o to_o conclude_v contradictory_o yet_o in_o christian_a respect_n to_o truth_n and_o you_o i_o shall_v endeavour_v meek_o some_o return_n to_o your_o reply_n and_o to_o differ_v as_o little_a as_o may_v be_v from_o you_o i_o shall_v most_o follow_v your_o own_o order_n in_o the_o beginning_n you_o dislike_v my_o dislike_n of_o the_o ground_n of_o faith_n without_o give_v you_o any_o reason_n answer_v i_o intend_v my_o answer_n as_o near_o as_o i_o can_v guess_v to_o the_o design_n of_o your_o paper_n for_o the_o roman_a church_n by_o obedience_n to_o the_o bishop_n whereof_o bellarmine_n in_o his_o catechism_n english_v p._n 65._o 6_o 7._o do_v describe_v the_o catholic_a church_n you_o will_v excuse_v i_o then_o if_o i_o take_v the_o course_n to_o make_v my_o answer_n compendious_o sufficient_a to_o that_o drift_n if_o you_o will_v hold_v with_o papist_n herein_o and_o if_o you_o will_v confess_v you_o mean_v the_o roman_a church_n by_o the_o catholic_a than_o i_o have_v give_v you_o such_o a_o reason_n against_o your_o position_n as_o you_o will_v say_v nothing_o to_o and_o you_o may_v consider_v that_o you_o direct_v your_o paper_n as_o to_o a_o protestant_n who_o be_v not_o contradistinguish_v to_o a_o catholic_a but_o to_o a_o papist_n if_o you_o be_v a_o papist_n why_o do_v you_o dissemble_v it_o to_o i_o if_o you_o be_v not_o why_o do_v we_o dispute_v and_o this_o apology_n may_v be_v enough_o also_o to_o refute_v all_o your_o objection_n against_o i_o of_o impertinency_n and_o excursion_n and_o untrue_a allegation_n if_o you_o will_v take_v notice_n also_o of_o my_o parenthesis_n and_o now_o my_o reason_n intimate_v in_o a_o promise_n shall_v be_v make_v good_a in_o performance_n and_o since_o you_o will_v in_o the_o question_n about_o the_o catholic_a church_n abstract_a from_o the_o roman_a and_o all_o other_o particular_n i_o shall_v give_v some_o account_n of_o catholic_n who_o do_v not_o make_v the_o authority_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n the_o ground_n and_o cause_n of_o their_o belief_n whereby_o only_o god_n his_o revelation_n come_v to_o we_o infallible_o as_o you_o express_v yourself_o in_o your_o first_o paper_n but_o this_o prerogative_n they_o ascribe_v to_o the_o holy_a scripture_n to_o be_v it_o wherein_o and_o whereby_o we_o be_v infallible_o assure_v of_o god_n will_n as_o to_o what_o we_o shall_v believe_v and_o do_v in_o order_n to_o salvation_n that_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n be_v of_o use_n towards_o faith_n we_o deny_v not_o but_o the_o cause_n and_o ground_n of_o faith_n and_o that_o whereby_o we_o be_v infallible_o ascertaind_v of_o the_o mind_n of_o god_n be_v not_o the_o proposition_n of_o the_o church_n but_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o such_o be_v the_o state_n of_o the_o question_n betwixt_o we_o i_o shall_v for_o your_o shower_n of_o authority_n you_o say_v you_o can_v power_n out_o against_o i_o give_v you_o or_o show_v you_o a_o cloud_n of_o witness_n as_o the_o apostle_n speak_v hebr._n 12.1_o against_o you_o your_o shower_n can_v not_o wet_v i_o through_o but_o this_o cloud_n may_v direct_v you_o home_o this_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n concern_v the_o church_n and_o scripture_n as_o you_o may_v see_v by_o the_o 8.19_o 20_o 21._o article_n and_o therefore_o it_o be_v not_o my_o opinion_n will_v appear_v not_o to_o be_v new_a but_o agreeable_a to_o ancient_a catholic_n in_o your_o own_o esteem_n the_o first_o shall_v be_v saint_n irenaeus_n have_v you_o appeal_v to_o saint_n irenaeus_n unto_o saint_n irenaeus_n shall_v you_o go_v he_o in_o his_o three_o book_n first_o chapter_n first_o word_v thus_o we_o have_v not_o know_v the_o dispose_n of_o our_o salvation_n by_o any_o other_o than_o those_o by_o who_o the_o gospel_n come_v to_o we_o which_o then_o indeed_o they_o preach_v afterward_o deliver_v it_o to_o we_o in_o the_o scripture_n by_o the_o will_n of_o god_n to_o be_v the_o foundation_n and_o pillar_n of_o our_o faith_n so_o he_o now_o that_o which_o be_v deliver_v in_o scripture_n by_o the_o will_n of_o god_n to_o be_v the_o foundation_n and_o pillar_n of_o faith_n be_v the_o ground_n and_o cause_n of_o our_o faith_n and_o such_o be_v the_o gospel_n according_a to_o this_o testimony_n the_o next_o for_o we_o be_v clemens_n alexandrinus_n in_o the_o seven_o of_o his_o stromata_n towards_o the_o end_n in_o the_o 757._o p._n of_o the_o greek_a and_o latin_a edition_n he_o which_o be_v to_o be_v believe_v by_o himself_o reasonable_o be_v worthy_a to_o be_v believe_v by_o the_o lord_n scripture_n and_o voice_n work_v by_o the_o lord_n inward_o to_o the_o benefit_n of_o man_n so_o he_o then_o according_a to_o he_o the_o holy_a scripture_n be_v not_o worthy_a to_o be_v believe_v by_o man_n but_o man_n be_v worthy_a of_o belief_n by_o it_o and_o therefore_o that_o must_v ground_v our_o faith_n because_o it_o be_v it_o whereby_o we_o believe_v other_o and_o therefore_o he_o say_v in_o the_o follow_a word_n sure_o we_o use_v it_o as_o the_o criterium_fw-la for_o find_v out_o of_o thing_n and_o therefore_o point_n be_v to_o be_v decide_v and_o determine_v by_o authority_n of_o it_o which_o be_v his_o chief_a discourse_n against_o heretic_n even_o to_o the_o end_n of_o that_o book_n and_o if_o you_o please_v to_o peruse_v and_o consider_v it_o you_o shall_v find_v there_o that_o in_o his_o judgement_n the_o catholic_a church_n which_o he_o also_o there_o commend_v do_v not_o conserve_v itself_o in_o that_o denomination_n by_o its_o own_o authority_n but_o by_o the_o rule_n of_o scripture_n now_o that_o which_o rule_v the_o whole_a rule_v the_o part_n the_o scripture_n rule_v the_o whole_a then_o we_o so_o origen_n upon_o saint_n matthew_n hom._n 25._o we_o ought_v not_o therefore_o for_o confirmation_n of_o doctrine_n to_o swear_v our_o own_o apprehension_n and_o to_o bring_v into_o witness_n those_o which_o every_o one_o of_o we_o do_v
such_o as_o also_o the_o book_n of_o wisdom_n of_o which_o st._n austin_n say_v that_o it_o be_v receive_v of_o all_o christian_a bishop_n and_o other_o even_o to_o the_o last_o of_o the_o laity_n with_o veneration_n of_o divine_a authority_n l._n de_fw-la praedest_fw-la sanct._n sanctorum_fw-la 14._o what_o more_o clear_a and_o yet_o you_o see_v that_o all_o you_o of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n deny_v all_o veneration_n of_o divine_a authority_n to_o this_o book_n by_o what_o scripture_n shall_v we_o end_v this_o and_o the_o like_a controversy_n of_o other_o book_n for_o which_o we_o have_v as_o strong_a proof_n as_o these_o now_o cite_v and_o you_o have_v only_o so_o weak_a a_o proof_n as_o be_v a_o light_n so_o peculiar_a to_o yourselves_o and_o upon_o the_o certainty_n give_v you_o only_o by_o this_o sight_n you_o firm_o believe_v all_o the_o scripture_n that_o you_o believe_v that_o be_v all_o the_o faith_n you_o have_v all_o the_o belief_n you_o have_v depend_v upon_o this_o that_o you_o can_v see_v so_o evident_o such_o and_o such_o a_o book_n to_o be_v canonical_a that_o this_o your_o sight_n by_o light_n receive_v from_o those_o book_n show_v they_o to_o be_v assure_o canonical_a be_v the_o only_a infallible_a assurance_n you_o have_v that_o such_o and_o such_o book_n be_v canonical_a and_o consequent_o this_o your_o peculiar_a sight_n be_v the_o only_a infallible_a ground_n you_o have_v to_o rely_v upon_o these_o book_n as_o upon_o the_o undoubted_a word_n of_o god_n this_o be_v your_o doctrine_n this_o be_v your_o holy_a way_n a_o way_n so_o direct_a that_o fool_n can_v err_v by_o it_o though_o you_o profess_v so_o many_o wise_a man_n in_o this_o point_n have_v err_v even_o whole_a general_n counsel_n as_o also_o so_o many_o great_a doctor_n before_o who_o eye_n this_o same_o light_n stand_v as_o clear_v as_o before_o you_o for_o they_o judge_v very_o many_o to_o be_v canonical_a scripture_n which_o you_o deny_v so_o weak_a a_o ground_n be_v you_o all_o force_a to_o rely_v upon_o even_o in_o the_o main_a point_n of_o eternal_a salvation_n while_o you_o refuse_v to_o rely_v on_o the_o infallible_a authority_n of_o christ_n church_n neither_o do_v this_o our_o rely_v on_o the_o church_n authority_n derogate_v to_o the_o scripture_n for_o we_o do_v not_o say_v that_o the_o church_n make_v they_o true_a scripture_n but_o it_o make_v we_o to_o have_v a_o infallible_a ground_n to_o hold_v they_o for_o true_a scripture_n as_o they_o be_v in_o themselves_o and_o this_o not_o because_o the_o church_n make_v they_o hold_v to_o be_v so_o but_o because_o they_o be_v true_a in_o themselves_o as_o be_v the_o word_n of_o god_n yet_o not_o know_v by_o themselves_o to_o be_v so_o by_o any_o infallible_a knowledge_n without_o this_o the_o testimony_n of_o the_o church_n as_o christ_n be_v the_o lamb_n of_o god_n who_o take_v away_o the_o sin_n of_o the_o world_n but_o the_o infallible_a testimony_n of_o st._n john_n baptist_n make_v many_o know_v that_o he_o be_v so_o and_o thus_o christ_n be_v make_v know_v to_o the_o world_n by_o the_o infallible_a testimony_n of_o his_o apostle_n upon_o who_o testimony_n many_o thousand_o believe_v before_o the_o scripture_n be_v write_v therefore_o for_o the_o scripture_n to_o be_v believe_v what_o they_o be_v of_o themselves_o for_o the_o infallible_a testimony_n of_o the_o church_n do_v no_o more_o derogate_v to_o their_o honour_n or_o make_v the_o church_n superior_a to_o they_o than_o it_o derogate_v to_o the_o honour_n of_o the_o son_n of_o god_n to_o be_v believe_v to_o be_v what_o he_o be_v upon_o the_o infallible_a testimony_n of_o his_o apostle_n which_o testimony_n have_v it_o not_o be_v infallible_a those_o who_o ground_v their_o faith_n upon_o it_o have_v have_v no_o infallible_a ground_n to_o believe_v our_o saviour_n to_o be_v he_o who_o he_o be_v in_o like_a manner_n if_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n testify_v such_o and_o such_o book_n to_o be_v god_n word_n be_v not_o infallible_a we_o shall_v have_v no_o infallible_a ground_n to_o know_v they_o to_o be_v such_o though_o they_o true_o be_v such_o of_o themselves_o but_o of_o this_o infallibility_n i_o will_v say_v no_o more_o now_o i_o will_v go_v on_o and_o show_v yet_o further_o that_o the_o scripture_n can_v be_v the_o judge_n of_o all_o controversy_n for_o many_o thing_n be_v set_v down_o in_o scripture_n in_o such_o manner_n that_o almost_o all_o the_o controversy_n which_o be_v in_o the_o church_n do_v arise_v about_o the_o true_a interpretation_n of_o the_o scripture_n and_o god_n do_v well_o know_v that_o this_o will_v happen_v and_o therefore_o he_o must_v needs_o know_v that_o he_o shall_v give_v the_o world_n a_o very_a unprofitable_a judge_n in_o order_n to_o the_o keep_n of_o unity_n and_o decide_v of_o controversy_n if_o he_o shall_v only_o leave_v they_o a_o book_n about_o the_o true_a meaning_n of_o which_o book_n he_o well_o know_v more_o controversy_n and_o disunion_n in_o religion_n will_v arise_v then_o about_o any_o other_o matter_n so_o that_o the_o great_a wit_n here_o be_v at_o great_a dissension_n this_o can_v be_v that_o holy_a way_n a_o way_n so_o direct_a to_o we_o that_o fool_n can_v err_v by_o it_o no_o lawmaker_n of_o any_o commonwealth_n do_v ever_o provide_v so_o simple_o for_o the_o unity_n of_o it_o as_o to_o leave_v they_o only_o a_o book_n of_o law_n to_o be_v the_o sole_a judge_n of_o all_o their_o controversy_n as_o i_o show_v before_o and_o sure_o if_o christ_n have_v intend_v to_o leave_v we_o a_o book_n to_o be_v our_o sole_a judge_n in_o all_o controversy_n then_o undoubted_o he_o will_v in_o some_o part_n of_o this_o book_n have_v clear_o tell_v we_o so_o this_o import_v so_o exceed_o as_o it_o do_v and_o yet_o he_o have_v not_o do_v so_o second_o if_o he_o will_v have_v give_v we_o a_o book_n for_o judge_n he_o will_v never_o have_v give_v we_o for_o our_o judge_n such_o a_o book_n as_o the_o scripture_n be_v which_o very_o often_o speak_v sometime_o so_o prophetical_o that_o most_o will_v think_v it_o speak_v of_o the_o present_a time_n when_o it_o speak_v of_o the_o time_n to_o come_v that_o it_o speak_v of_o one_o person_n for_o example_n of_o david_n when_o it_o speak_v of_o christ_n sometime_o it_o speak_v by_o a_o figure_n by_o a_o metaphor_n by_o a_o parable_n it_o have_v tropological_a allegorical_a anagogical_a and_o mystical_a sense_n it_o use_v the_o imperative_a mood_n as_o well_o for_o counsel_n as_o command_n in_o no_o place_n it_o so_o much_o go_v about_o to_o set_v down_o a_o catalogue_n of_o any_o particular_a point_n necessary_a and_o only_o necessary_a to_o be_v believe_v which_o any_o wise_a lawmaker_n will_v do_v if_o he_o intend_v by_o his_o writing_n to_o end_v all_o controversy_n in_o faith_n yea_o the_o scripture_n seem_v often_o to_o say_v evident_o that_o which_o according_a to_o your_o doctrine_n be_v false_a you_o hold_v for_o superstitious_a the_o anoint_v of_o sick_a person_n with_o certain_a prayer_n and_o yet_o saint_n james_n say_v cap._n 5._o ver_fw-la 14._o be_v any_o sick_a among_o you_o let_v he_o call_v for_o the_o priest_n of_o the_o church_n and_o let_v they_o pray_v over_o he_o anoint_v he_o with_o oil_n and_o if_o he_o have_v commit_v sin_n they_o shall_v be_v forgive_v he_o be_v not_o this_o controversy_n clear_o by_o this_o place_n of_o scripture_n decide_v against_o you_o or_o have_v you_o any_o one_o place_n half_o so_o clear_a to_o the_o contrary_a again_o about_o those_o other_o most_o clear_a word_n speak_v in_o the_o institution_n of_o another_o great_a sacrament_n in_o which_o any_o wise_a man_n will_v speak_v clear_o this_o be_v my_o body_n the_o late_a adversary_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n have_v find_v out_o above_o two_o hundred_o several_a interpretation_n they_o will_v needs_o have_v the_o sense_n to_o be_v figurative_a although_o never_o any_o man_n in_o any_o figurative_a speech_n be_v hear_v to_o speak_v thus_o for_o example_n to_o take_v a_o vine_n a_o lamb_n a_o door_n in_o his_o hand_n and_o say_v this_o vine_n this_o lamb_n this_o door_n be_v christ_n this_o be_v no_o kind_n of_o figurative_a speech_n though_o it_o be_v a_o clear_a figure_n to_o say_v christ_n be_v a_o vine_n a_o lamb_n a_o door_n yea_o he_o be_v bread_n but_o to_o take_v bread_n into_o a_o man_n hand_n as_o christ_n do_v and_o then_o say_v this_o bread_n be_v my_o body_n to_o take_v a_o cup_n of_o wine_n into_o his_o hand_n and_o to_o say_v this_o be_v the_o cup_n of_o my_o blood_n which_o shall_v be_v shed_v for_o you_o do_v not_o so_o much_o as_o sound_v like_o a_o figurative_a speech_n and_o yet_o our_o adversary_n think_v it_o so_o certain_o to_o be_v so_o that_o they_o venture_v
ut_fw-la sic_fw-la quatenus_fw-la errer_n it_o be_v false_a all_o simple_a error_n be_v not_o damnative_a to_o the_o person_n and_o therefore_o christ_n may_v be_v with_o some_o who_o live_v in_o some_o error_n indeed_o otherwise_o with_o who_o be_v he_o for_o who_o be_v there_o that_o live_v not_o in_o some_o error_n though_o he_o know_v it_o not_o if_o you_o mean_v then_o damnable_a error_n distinctive_o i_o grant_v you_o all_o and_o yet_o you_o have_v nothing_o thereby_o for_o your_o cause_n for_o this_o do_v not_o prove_v infallibility_n to_o your_o church_n security_n from_o damnable_a error_n distinctive_o take_v do_v not_o infer_v absolute_a infallibility_n the_o former_a be_v promise_v as_o also_o in_o that_o of_o saint_n john_n 14.16_o which_o you_o will_v reinforce_v here_o but_o absolute_a infallibility_n be_v not_o intend_v and_o this_o you_o must_v have_v or_o else_o you_o be_v utter_o lose_v for_o if_o the_o church_n be_v not_o infallible_a in_o all_o that_o be_v propose_v by_o it_o how_o shall_v i_o be_v assure_v of_o any_o particular_a thing_n which_o it_o propose_v if_o i_o be_v not_o assure_v of_o this_o particular_a how_o be_o i_o bind_v to_o believe_v it_o if_o i_o be_v not_o bind_v to_o believe_v it_o upon_o its_o proposal_n how_o be_v it_o the_o ground_n of_o faith_n divine_a if_o it_o be_v not_o the_o ground_n of_o faith_n divine_a than_o you_o be_v go_v and_o beside_o those_o promise_n in_o saint_n matthew_n and_o saint_n john_n you_o may_v know_v be_v make_v as_o to_o the_o apostle_n equal_o and_o therefore_o to_o their_o successor_n equal_o and_o to_o the_o church_n universal_a equal_o by_o consequent_a and_o therefore_o can_v you_o appropriate_v it_o to_o your_o bishop_n and_o to_o your_o church_n saint_n augustine_n authority_n in_o a_o passage_n of_o he_o wherein_o you_o say_v he_o speak_v admirable_o in_o this_o de_fw-fr utilitate_fw-la credendi_fw-la cap_n 6._o you_o have_v better_o have_v omit_v it_o strengthen_v your_o cause_n nothing_o if_o you_o quote_v it_o as_o you_o shall_v first_o it_o be_v misquote_v for_o the_o chapter_n for_o it_o be_v not_o in_o the_o 6._o chapter_n but_o in_o the_o 16._o second_o you_o may_v see_v in_o the_o begin_n of_o the_o chapter_n that_o the_o scope_n of_o it_o be_v to_o show_v how_o authority_n may_v first_o move_v to_o faith_n and_o three_o this_o scope_n may_v discover_v your_o corrupt_v of_o his_o text_n for_o it_o be_v not_o as_o you_o give_v it_o a_o certain_a step_n but_o contrary_a a_o uncertain_a step_n velut_fw-la gradu_fw-la incerto_fw-la innitentes_fw-la as_o in_o the_o froben_n edition_n â—n_n m._n d._n lxix_o whereby_o you_o may_v perceive_v how_o little_a reason_n we_o have_v to_o credit_v your_o infallibility_n and_o then_o four_o part_n of_o his_o authority_n in_o that_o chapter_n be_v by_o miracle_n of_o christ_n which_o he_o do_v himself_o on_o earth_n the_o sum_n of_o your_o four_o number_n be_v this_o to_o persuade_v not_o only_o that_o the_o church_n authority_n be_v infallible_a if_o it_o judge_v conformable_o to_o scripture_n for_o so_o even_o the_o devil_n himself_o be_v infallible_a so_o long_o as_o he_o teach_v conformable_o to_o scripture_n but_o that_o the_o church_n shall_v at_o no_o time_n teach_v any_o thing_n that_o in_o any_o damnable_a error_n shall_v be_v against_o scripture_n so_o that_o when_o we_o know_v this_o be_v her_o doctrine_n we_o be_v sure_a that_o this_o be_v conformable_a to_o the_o scripture_n right_o understand_v and_o this_o you_o will_v prove_v by_o two_o testimony_n of_o scripture_n we_o answer_v distinct_o and_o first_o to_o that_o you_o say_v about_o the_o devil_n first_o we_o be_v not_o command_v but_o forbid_v to_o consult_v with_o the_o devil_n but_o we_o be_v enjoin_v to_o consult_v with_o the_o church_n of_o god_n second_o we_o have_v cause_n always_o to_o suspect_v the_o devil_n because_o either_o he_o do_v not_o give_v we_o all_o the_o scripture_n unto_o a_o particular_a or_o do_v pervert_v it_o or_o do_v speak_v the_o truth_n with_o a_o intention_n of_o deceive_v the_o more_o but_o we_o have_v more_o charity_n towards_o the_o church_n we_o have_v none_o towards_o the_o devil_n three_o yet_o though_o we_o do_v not_o believe_v the_o devil_n in_o point_n of_o truth_n upon_o his_o authority_n nevertheless_o can_v we_o not_o believe_v the_o church_n in_o whatsoever_o it_o say_v to_o be_v true_a upon_o its_o authority_n neither_o do_v it_o follow_v that_o the_o devil_n shall_v hereupon_o be_v the_o pillar_n and_o ground_n of_o truth_n when_o he_o say_v that_o which_o be_v conformable_a to_o scripture_n as_o well_o as_o the_o church_n because_o the_o church_n do_v hold_v and_o uphold_v truth_n so_o do_v not_o the_o devil_n but_o when_o he_o use_v it_o he_o do_v it_o to_o destroy_v it_o and_o again_o we_o be_v move_v to_o think_v that_o which_o be_v propose_v by_o the_o church_n to_o be_v true_a so_o be_v we_o not_o move_v by_o the_o devil_n to_o conceive_v it_o to_o be_v true_a upon_o his_o say_n so_o and_o therefore_o if_o i_o do_v believe_v that_o which_o the_o devil_n say_v conformable_a to_o scripture_n to_o be_v true_a and_o do_v not_o believe_v that_o every_o thing_n which_o be_v say_v by_o the_o church_n to_o be_v conformable_a to_o scripture_n i_o do_v not_o make_v the_o same_o account_n of_o what_o be_v say_v by_o one_o and_o by_o the_o other_o for_o that_o which_o be_v true_a i_o do_v believe_v because_o it_o be_v seâ—_n though_o the_o devil_n say_v it_o i_o do_v believe_v it_o in_o respect_n to_o the_o matter_n without_o any_o respect_n to_o the_o author_n and_o that_o which_o be_v not_o true_a according_a to_o scripture_n i_o can_v believe_v though_o the_o church_n say_v it_o yet_o be_o i_o move_v by_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n to_o consider_v the_o point_n more_o because_o it_o be_v propose_v by_o they_o and_o what_o be_v by_o they_o propose_v according_a to_o scripture_n i_o be_o move_v to_o believe_v of_o with_o respect_n of_o the_o author_n of_o the_o proposal_n but_o can_v be_v resolve_v in_o my_o faith_n of_o but_o by_o the_o authority_n of_o scripture_n and_o therefore_o i_o can_v believe_v that_o whatsoever_o be_v say_v by_o the_o church_n be_v agreeable_a to_o scripture_n because_o the_o church_n faith_n it_o for_o this_o proposition_n for_o aught_o as_o yet_o prove_v be_v not_o agreeable_a to_o scripture_n right_o understand_v and_o if_o you_o say_v that_o your_o church_n must_v judge_v the_o sense_n let_v it_o first_o judge_n whether_o it_o do_v not_o beg_v the_o principle_n neither_o have_v your_o text_n allege_v any_o thing_n for_o you_o not_o that_o of_o daniel_n the_o 2._o chapter_n the_o 44._o verse_n it_o respect_v indeed_o the_o kingdom_n of_o christ_n in_o general_a and_o therefore_o be_v not_o proper_a to_o any_o church_n of_o his_o signanter_n for_o any_o thing_n can_v be_v show_v by_o the_o text._n second_o the_o kingdom_n of_o christ_n principal_o respect_v the_o church_n invisible_a which_o as_o such_o be_v not_o our_o guide_n three_o it_o may_v certain_o come_v to_o its_o everlasting_a reign_n in_o heaven_n notwithstanding_o some_o error_n on_o earth_n by_o the_o church_n visible_a four_o whereas_o you_o say_v it_o shall_v destroy_v all_o idolatrous_a kingdom_n you_o do_v very_o well_o add_v in_o your_o parenthesis_n idolatrous_a kingdom_n to_o save_v yourselves_o from_o suspicion_n but_o it_o all_o idolatrous_a kingdom_n then_o have_v you_o reason_n to_o make_v your_o infallibility_n more_o strong_o infallible_a otherwise_o you_o will_v be_v include_v in_o this_o distraction_n so_o also_o that_o of_o esay_n 59.21_o profit_v you_o nothing_o some_o of_o the_o former_a answer_n may_v serve_v it_o principal_o be_v intend_v for_o the_o church_n invisible_a which_o by_o the_o church_n visible_a may_v sufficient_o be_v direct_v through_o the_o mean_n of_o grace_n to_o salvation_n infallible_o without_o infallibility_n of_o the_o church_n as_o the_o word_n of_o god_n be_v certain_a before_o it_o be_v write_v and_o the_o church_n then_o be_v by_o it_o direct_v because_o it_o be_v then_o in_o substance_n of_o it_o though_o not_o write_v as_o we_o have_v say_v before_o but_o you_o compel_v we_o to_o repeat_v so_o by_o the_o word_n write_v infallible_o though_o not_o infallible_o expound_v and_o apply_v by_o the_o pastor_n of_o the_o church_n shall_v the_o church_n be_v bring_v to_o life_n for_o if_o every_o evil_a action_n do_v not_o destroy_v the_o state_n of_o salvation_n as_o you_o will_v confess_v then_o sure_o every_o simple_a error_n can_v because_o it_o be_v not_o voluntary_a and_o this_o be_v full_o able_a to_o answer_v your_o appendix_n to_o this_o number_n at_o the_o end_n of_o your_o paper_n those_o testimony_n if_o they_o be_v right_o cite_v yet_o in_o those_o term_n affirm_v no_o more_o than_o
of_o singularity_n because_o it_o do_v not_o follow_v the_o catholic_a if_o then_o you_o will_v do_v prudent_o as_o you_o speak_v go_v with_o saint_n austin_n no_o further_o than_o he_o will_v have_v you_o follow_v he_o namely_o in_o the_o way_n of_o scripture_n which_o he_o understand_v well_o and_o at_o the_o latter_a time_n of_o his_o life_n but_o whether_o he_o understand_v it_o as_o much_o as_o any_o the_o church_n have_v which_o you_o say_v may_v be_v yet_o under_o debate_n with_o all_o respect_n to_o saint_n austin_n since_o it_o appear_v not_o that_o he_o have_v any_o skill_n in_o hebrew_n and_o if_o i_o remember_v well_o confess_v that_o he_o learn_v greek_a but_o late_a so_o then_o if_o in_o some_o case_n your_o own_o man_n confess_v that_o we_o must_v have_v recourse_n to_o the_o original_a language_n how_o can_v he_o understand_v they_o so_o well_o and_o now_o come_v we_o to_o your_o grand_a assumption_n that_o what_o have_v be_v say_v of_o the_o catholic_n church_n that_o it_o be_v by_o christ_n appoint_v to_o be_v the_o judge_n of_o all_o controversy_n and_o that_o the_o definition_n of_o this_o judge_n be_v infallible_a and_o consequent_o a_o sufficient_a ground_n of_o faith_n all_o the_o doctrine_n must_v be_v apply_v to_o the_o roman_a church_n and_o can_v be_v apply_v to_o the_o protestant_a church_n and_o now_o then_o you_o be_v please_v at_o the_o latter_a end_n to_o discover_v yourself_o that_o you_o do_v intend_v at_o first_o the_o roman_a church_n but_o deal_v more_o cunning_o than_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o pontifician_n who_o do_v include_v in_o the_o nature_n of_o the_o one_o and_o true_a church_n subjection_n to_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n methinks_v this_o plot_n of_o you_o may_v be_v somewhat_o resemble_v by_o he_o who_o have_v that_o fantasy_n that_o whatsoever_o ship_n come_v to_o port_n be_v he_o so_o now_o every_o church_n must_v be_v you_o or_o none_o as_o if_o the_o roman_a sea_n be_v the_o ocean_n or_o you_o will_v have_v all_o the_o honour_n that_o may_v be_v confer_v by_o god_n upon_o that_o church_n he_o will_v please_v to_o own_o signal_o and_o to_o make_v he_o conceive_v that_o this_o church_n can_v be_v none_o but_o your_o own_o and_o thus_o will_v you_o have_v lead_v i_o on_o with_o some_o ingenuity_n to_o be_v liberal_a in_o my_o respect_n and_o devoirs_fw-fr to_o the_o catholic_n church_n that_o so_o you_o may_v without_o contradiction_n sweep_v all_o for_o the_o roman_n catholic_n but_o prove_v that_o those_o privilege_n you_o speak_v of_o belong_v to_o the_o roman_a church_n and_o can_v be_v apply_v to_o the_o protestant_a church_n you_o prove_v it_o thus_o first_o this_o protestant_a church_n do_v not_o so_o much_o as_o lay_v claim_n to_o those_o privilege_n and_o so_o by_o her_o own_o doctrine_n she_o can_v be_v judge_n or_o infallible_a nor_o any_o other_o church_n but_o the_o roman_a upon_o the_o same_o reason_n because_o they_o profess_v themselves_o by_o evident_a and_o infallible_a scripture_n their_o own_o fallibility_n as_o you_o prove_v the_o consequence_n to_o be_v to_o the_o end_n of_o your_o page_n of_o the_o 27._o number_n and_o therefore_o the_o roman_a church_n be_v the_o true_a church_n unless_o christ_n have_v no_o true_a chrch_n nor_o have_v have_v these_o many_o age_n this_o be_v your_o argument_n which_o proceed_v by_o way_n of_o a_o negative_a induction_n not_o the_o protestant_a church_n nor_o this_o other_o church_n nor_o that_o nor_o any_o other_o church_n do_v claim_v the_o privilege_n of_o be_v infallible_a judge_n only_o the_o roman_a therefore_o otherwise_o christ_n have_v have_v no_o true_a church_n these_o many_o age_n sir_n which_o will_v you_o give_v we_o leave_v to_o do_v to_o smile_v or_o weep_v that_o man_n not_o to_o be_v contemn_v for_o their_o learning_n and_o read_v shall_v be_v abuse_v and_o shall_v endeavour_v to_o abuse_v other_o by_o such_o ratiosination_n which_o be_v make_v useful_a only_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d we_o and_o all_o other_o church_n do_v of_o their_o own_o accord_n yield_v unto_o you_o that_o they_o be_v fallible_a we_o save_v you_o the_o labour_n of_o the_o eviction_n true_a church_n they_o say_v they_o be_v and_o say_v they_o be_v not_o infallible_a and_o they_o say_v also_o that_o you_o only_o do_v lay_v claim_n to_o this_o infallibility_n but_o what_o then_o therefore_o you_o have_v infallibility_n what_o because_o you_o only_o claim_v it_o suppose_v that_o the_o roman_a church_n do_v lay_v claim_n to_o utopia_n or_o to_o the_o terra_fw-la incognita_fw-la no_o other_o church_n do_v not_o the_o protestant_n not_o any_o other_o therefore_o it_o be_v due_a to_o they_o yes_o but_o where_o be_v this_o utopia_n where_o be_v this_o terra_fw-la incognita_fw-la what_o be_v the_o privilege_n and_o dominion_n thereof_o they_o be_v yet_o to_o seek_v for_o they_o who_o lie_v claim_v to_o they_o first_o then_o make_v it_o out_o that_o there_o be_v such_o a_o infallibility_n to_o be_v have_v before_o you_o challenge_v it_o and_o do_v not_o prove_v the_o be_v of_o it_o by_o your_o challenge_v it_o lest_o your_o roman_a eagle_n be_v say_v to_o catch_v at_o fly_n but_o prove_v solid_o the_o be_v of_o it_o by_o the_o ground_n thereof_o and_o then_o second_o prove_v a_o just_a claim_n for_o suppose_v that_o other_o do_v not_o lay_v claim_n to_o it_o what_o right_o can_v yet_o you_o have_v by_o a_o claim_n be_v this_o also_o give_v primo_fw-la occupanti_fw-la if_o you_o have_v no_o other_o tenure_n for_o your_o infallibility_n you_o have_v none_o and_o it_o do_v bespeak_v fallibility_n to_o say_v the_o title_n be_v good_a if_o i_o may_v be_v so_o bold_a and_o sure_o i_o may_v in_o the_o cause_n of_o the_o truth_n of_o god_n it_o be_v more_o likely_a to_o fall_v out_o thus_o no_o church_n but_o the_o roman_a do_v pretend_v to_o infalliblity_n therefore_o be_v it_o high_o presumptuous_a and_o be_v only_o in_o this_o not_o a_o usurper_n because_o there_o be_v no_o such_o thing_n as_o belong_v to_o any_o church_n we_o have_v no_o such_o tradition_n nor_o the_o church_n of_o god_n and_o yet_o also_o be_v it_o a_o insolent_a usurpation_n of_o that_o prerogative_n which_o belong_v only_o to_o god_n and_o scripture_n this_o be_v enough_o to_o undo_v your_o argumentation_n and_o you_o but_o whereas_o you_o say_v that_o all_o other_o church_n of_o other_o religion_n do_v say_v indeed_o that_o they_o themselves_o be_v the_o only_a true_a church_n it_o be_v not_o true_a they_o do_v not_o speak_v of_o themselves_o exclusive_o as_o you_o do_v particular_a true_a church_n they_o may_v be_v under_o the_o true_o catholic_n church_n and_o therefore_o they_o can_v contesserate_v one_o with_o another_o with_o respective_a acknowledgement_n but_o you_o be_v they_o who_o exclude_v all_o from_o the_o condition_n of_o be_v true_a church_n which_o will_v not_o reconcile_v themselves_o to_o you_o by_o absolute_a subjection_n and_o since_o you_o say_v that_o all_o other_o church_n but_o you_o disclaim_v infallibility_n you_o see_v that_o we_o alone_o do_v not_o stand_v aloof_o from_o obedience_n to_o your_o roman_a tyranny_n so_o you_o be_v not_o catholic_n in_o dominion_n neither_o yet_o you_o will_v seem_v to_o have_v some_o reason_n for_o your_o discourse_n that_o one_o church_n must_v be_v infallible_a otherwise_o christ_n have_v not_o nor_o have_v have_v any_o true_a church_n these_o many_o age_n this_o be_v inconsequential_a unless_o there_o be_v some_o church_n infallible_a christ_n have_v no_o true_a church_n it_o be_v a_o false_a proposition_n as_o we_o have_v answer_v you_o from_o the_o first_o to_o the_o last_o that_o a_o true_a church_n be_v infallible_a and_o it_o be_v now_o all_o the_o question_n though_o it_o be_v not_o true_a in_o every_o point_n yet_o may_v it_o be_v a_o true_a church_n every_o error_n do_v not_o destroy_v the_o be_v of_o the_o church_n and_o you_o have_v very_o great_a cause_n not_o to_o press_v this_o lest_o it_o be_v retort_v against_o your_o church_n as_o it_o may_v be_v to_o be_v even_o with_o you_o that_o church_n which_o hold_v itself_o infallible_a and_o yet_o have_v err_v be_v fallible_a and_o therefore_o by_o your_o doctrine_n no_o true_a church_n the_o church_n of_o rome_n hold_v itself_o infallible_a and_o yet_o have_v err_v than_o this_o be_v no_o true_a church_n and_o may_v not_o the_o assumption_n here_o be_v prove_v by_o your_o own_o doctrine_n for_o if_o the_o tradition_n of_o the_o church_n be_v the_o rule_n of_o faith_n than_o you_o have_v err_v in_o reject_v the_o millenary_a opinion_n which_o be_v a_o tradition_n of_o the_o church_n so_o then_o your_o design_n you_o speak_v of_o in_o the_o 28._o number_n of_o not_o express_v the_o roman_a church_n in_o your_o dispute_n you_o see_v be_v destroy_v for_o what_o you_o say_v of_o
the_o catholic_n church_n be_v not_o sufficient_o plead_v for_o the_o roman_a and_o also_o infallibility_n be_v not_o yet_o assert_v to_o the_o catholic_n and_o therefore_o your_o demonstration_n you_o talk_v of_o be_v but_o a_o flourish_n and_o your_o argument_n you_o think_v unanswerable_a be_v not_o to_o be_v answer_v any_o more_o because_o that_o strength_n which_o it_o have_v be_v take_v away_o and_o i_o have_v no_o more_o to_o say_v until_o you_o have_v any_o more_o to_o say_v upon_o this_o point_n or_o any_o you_o mean_v in_o difference_n betwixt_o we_o but_o yet_o you_o have_v not_o do_v but_o like_o a_o parthian_a who_o fight_v fly_v so_o you_o dispute_v still_o end_v you_o say_v you_o will_v show_v how_o unanimous_o the_o father_n acknowledge_v this_o saint_n cyprian_n ep._n 3._o l._n 1._o say_v that_o false_a faith_n can_v have_v access_n to_o the_o roman_a church_n and_o when_o you_o please_v to_o press_v this_o i_o shall_v show_v you_o what_o little_a ground_n you_o be_v like_a to_o get_v in_o that_o epistle_n since_o though_o he_o name_v the_o roman_a church_n as_o the_o principal_a church_n as_o the_o chair_n of_o peter_n yet_o he_o there_o defend_v his_o own_o jurisdiction_n against_o those_o who_o will_v ramble_v to_o rome_n to_o have_v their_o cause_n hear_v and_o judge_v there_o neither_o will_v you_o get_v any_o credit_n by_o those_o who_o he_o speak_v of_o and_o in_o those_o word_n you_o quote_v there_o be_v a_o intimation_n that_o the_o roman_n then_o when_o he_o do_v write_v be_v not_o such_o as_o those_o be_v in_o the_o apostle_n time_n apostolo_n praedicante_fw-la and_o i_o shall_v tell_v you_o why_o it_o be_v call_v the_o principal_a church_n for_o a_o principle_n of_o unity_n so_o he_o from_o whence_o the_o sacerdotal_a unity_n begin_v and_o also_o by_o reflection_n from_o the_o imperial_a seat_n and_o if_o you_o will_v object_v saint_n jerome_n authority_n in_o his_o comment_n upon_o the_o first_o to_o timothy_n that_o he_o call_v damasus_n the_o pope_n of_o rome_n the_o rectour_n of_o the_o house_n of_o god_n which_o you_o say_v saint_n paul_n call_v the_o pillar_n and_o foundation_n of_o truth_n i_o shall_v return_v you_o answer_v that_o this_o be_v not_o very_o much_o for_o other_o bishop_n be_v call_v in_o ancient_a time_n papae_fw-la too_o and_o that_o he_o call_v he_o the_o rectour_n of_o the_o house_n of_o god_n that_o be_v not_o much_o neither_o since_o every_o bishop_n be_v so_o the_o rectour_n of_o the_o church_n in_o that_o place_n where_o he_o live_v and_o this_o will_v appear_v to_o be_v less_o considerable_a if_o you_o will_v take_v notice_n that_o in_o his_o comment_n upon_o the_o first_o ep._n to_o tim._n the_o three_o chapter_n upon_o these_o word_n a_o bishop_n must_v be_v irreprehensible_a where_o he_o speak_v of_o a_o bishop_n in_o communi_fw-la he_o say_v aut_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la princeps_fw-la non_fw-la erit_fw-la so_o a_o bishop_n in_o general_n with_o he_o be_v a_o prince_n of_o the_o church_n and_o also_o you_o know_v what_o opinion_n he_o have_v betwixt_o bishop_n and_o presbyter_n read_v to_o this_o purpose_n his_o epistle_n to_o evagrius_n if_o you_o come_v upon_o i_o again_o with_o saint_n jerome_n to_o damasus_n in_o a_o epistle_n you_o may_v tell_v i_o what_o epistle_n for_o he_o write_v more_o than_o one_o and_o his_o title_n in_o some_o be_v as_o be_v set_v down_o plain_o hieronimus_fw-la damaso_n sure_o pope_n than_o have_v not_o that_o state_n or_o else_o saint_n jerom_n have_v little_a reverence_n towards_o he_o and_o you_o may_v see_v also_o how_o the_o pope_n write_v to_o he_o to_o resolve_v question_n and_o be_v this_o any_o sign_n of_o the_o pope_n infallibility_n well_o but_o you_o say_v in_o that_o epistle_n you_o will_v tell_v i_o of_o to_o damasus_n he_o say_v to_o your_o holiness_n that_o be_v to_o the_o chair_n of_o peter_n i_o be_o join_v in_o communion_n upon_o this_o rock_n i_o know_v the_o church_n to_o be_v build_v he_o that_o gather_v not_o with_o thou_o scatter_v so_o you_o and_o shall_v i_o give_v you_o answer_v to_o this_o now_o then_o i_o may_v tell_v you_o that_o this_o do_v but_o magnify_v the_o honour_n of_o his_o own_o commuion_n and_o yet_o not_o much_o neither_o if_o you_o will_v observe_v what_o he_o say_v in_o his_o comment_n upon_o amos_n the_o 6._o chapter_n petra_n christus_fw-la est_fw-la qui_fw-la donavit_fw-la apostolis_n suis_fw-la ut_fw-la ipsi_fw-la quoque_fw-la petrae_fw-la vocentur_fw-la tu_fw-la es_fw-la petrus_n etc._n etc._n then_o peter_n be_v not_o in_o his_o opinion_n the_o only_a rock_n you_o see_v moreover_o so_o the_o father_n you_o say_v in_o the_o council_n of_o chalcedon_n at_o the_o voice_n of_o st._n leo_n pope_n of_o rome_n say_v peter_n have_v speak_v by_o the_o mouth_n of_o leo._n and_o what_o can_v you_o ever_o make_v of_o this_o that_o they_o do_v say_v so_o no_o more_o than_o thus_o much_o that_o the_o successor_n of_o st._n peter_n speak_v do_v this_o signify_v that_o all_o the_o personal_a pripriviledge_n which_o saint_n peter_n have_v pope_n leo_n have_v then_o there_o need_v but_o he_o to_o determine_v all_o the_o controversy_n yea_o according_a to_o saint_n jerom_n before_o if_o he_o have_v have_v all_o those_o privilege_n which_o saint_n peter_n have_v yet_o the_o church_n shall_v not_o be_v build_v upon_o he_o only_o for_o the_o other_o apostle_n be_v rock_n too_o yea_o and_o be_v he_o christ_n successor_n also_o if_o he_o be_v not_o then_o that_o which_o you_o will_v fain_o arrogate_v to_o he_o belong_v only_o to_o christ_n to_o be_v head_n of_o the_o universal_a church_n to_o cut_v short_a you_o remit_v i_o to_o statleton_n and_o bellarmin_n who_o both_o show_n most_o diligent_o how_o all_o other_o church_n have_v go_v to_o rome_n to_o receive_v judgement_n in_o their_o chief_a cause_n the_o place_n you_o say_v you_o will_v allege_v though_o for_o the_o present_a you_o refer_v i_o to_o they_o what_o do_v you_o mean_a sir_n to_o put_v i_o off_o to_o those_o adversary_n or_o in_o the_o interim_n to_o satisfy_v i_o until_o you_o have_v range_v they_o into_o another_o discourse_n i_o need_v not_o send_v you_o to_o our_o man_n who_o have_v withstand_v those_o champion_n foot_n to_o foot_n junctusque_fw-la viro_fw-la vir._n saint_n cyprian_n in_o the_o place_n before_o make_v a_o exception_n against_o this_o supreme_a tribunal_n for_o appeal_n and_o the_o african_a church_n after_o this_o you_o seem_v to_o threaten_v i_o with_o further_a demonstration_n of_o particular_n material_a to_o your_o cause_n until_o which_o time_n it_o become_v i_o in_o civility_n to_o wait_v and_o not_o to_o take_v the_o word_n out_o of_o your_o mouth_n or_o your_o work_n out_o of_o your_o hand_n i_o shall_v let_v you_o rise_v that_o you_o may_v have_v more_o strength_n for_o the_o next_o assault_n i_o can_v leave_v here_o but_o that_o our_o late_a feast_n may_v hint_n you_o to_o think_v of_o the_o contest_v betwixt_o the_o roman_a and_o other_o church_n about_o the_o observavation_n of_o easter_n and_o be_v those_o heretic_n or_o schismatic_n that_o will_v not_o stand_v to_o the_o roman_a determination_n herein_o and_o as_o for_o your_o earnest_a demand_n to_o know_v but_o the_o name_n of_o one_o of_o the_o pastors_n doctor_n or_o preacher_n in_o those_o last_o thousand_o age_n year_n which_o precede_v luther_n i_o may_v conceive_v myself_o oblige_v then_o to_o give_v you_o some_o account_n hereof_o when_o you_o shall_v tell_v i_o whoever_o of_o all_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n in_o a_o vast_a insolency_n take_v upon_o he_o the_o empire_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n under_o the_o title_n of_o universal_a bishop_n before_o boniface_n the_o three_o take_v it_o from_o phocas_n his_o donation_n until_o gregorie_n time_n inclusive_o there_o be_v no_o such_o usurpation_n and_o you_o know_v what_o gregory_n say_v of_o john_n of_o constantinople_n for_o his_o pretend_v to_o it_o that_o whosoever_o do_v make_v himself_o the_o forerunner_n of_o antichrist_n but_o if_o i_o will_v answer_v the_o answer_n will_v be_v easy_a and_o it_o be_v ready_a you_o have_v it_o already_o in_o a_o testimony_n out_o of_o tertullian_n in_o his_o prescription_n it_o may_v be_v you_o take_v no_o notice_n of_o it_o then_o nor_o do_v i_o urge_v it_o to_o this_o purpose_n by_o way_n of_o application_n to_o our_o church_n thus_o that_o which_o we_o be_v the_o scripture_n be_v from_o the_o beginning_n we_o be_v of_o they_o before_o it_o be_v otherwise_o before_o they_o be_v corrupt_v by_o you_o then_o we_o be_v as_o ancient_a as_o may_v be_v for_o our_o doctrine_n and_o sacrament_n they_o be_v find_v in_o the_o record_n of_o scripture_n and_o if_o campian_n say_v all_z the_o father_n be_v he_o and_o you_o we_o may_v say_v the_o apostle_n be_v we_o nay_o the_o father_n
by_o his_o word_n sir_n i_o pray_v why_o be_v it_o more_o blasphemy_n to_o say_v that_o god_n speak_v by_o christ_n church_n who_o speak_v infallible_o by_o the_o church_n of_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n for_o two_o thousand_o year_n see_v here_o numb_a 32._o and_o when_o he_o then_o begin_v to_o speak_v by_o moses_n and_o the_o scripture_n to_o the_o jew_n he_o still_o by_o his_o church_n speak_v to_o the_o faithful_a among_o the_o gentile_n and_o the_o jew_n may_v have_v ground_v their_o faith_n on_o that_o voice_n for_o two_o thousand_o year_n more_o and_o when_o the_o writer_n of_o the_o former_a part_n of_o the_o new_a testament_n do_v write_v what_o they_o write_v and_o when_o st._n paul_n do_v write_v what_o he_o write_v god_n do_v infallible_o teach_v all_o by_o the_o church_n and_o yet_o these_o writer_n think_v scripture_n necessary_a but_o not_o necessary_a for_o all_o the_o end_n for_o which_o you_o may_v think_v they_o necessary_a again_o what_o a_o slender_a proof_n be_v this_o to_o ground_v a_o charge_n of_o blasphemy_n upon_o so_o vast_a a_o multitude_n as_o adhere_v to_o the_o roman_a church_n there_o be_v no_o need_n of_o scripture_n if_o god_n speak_v by_o his_o church_n to_o infallibility_n do_v not_o god_n speak_v to_o infallibility_n by_o the_o scripture_n teach_v that_o jesus_n be_v the_o messiah_n be_v it_o therefore_o mere_a blasphemy_n to_o account_v st._n john_n baptist_n send_v by_o god_n to_o teach_v the_o same_o with_o infallible_a assurance_n be_v it_o therefore_o near_o blasphemy_n to_o think_v that_o voice_n be_v infallible_a by_o which_o god_n the_o father_n testify_v the_o same_o from_o heaven_n be_v it_o therefore_o near_o blasphemy_n to_o account_v the_o testimony_n of_o miracle_n ordain_v to_o testify_v the_o same_o thing_n infallible_a though_o christ_n call_v it_o testimonium_fw-la majus_fw-la joanne_n joan._n 5_o or_o rather_o be_v it_o not_o near_a blasphemy_n to_o say_v all_o these_o testimony_n beside_o scripture_n be_v needless_a do_v you_o not_o see_v that_o after_o all_o the_o testimony_n of_o god_n by_o the_o scripture_n and_o by_o the_o church_n that_o still_o million_o do_v not_o believe_v why_o be_v then_o one_o of_o these_o testimony_n superfluous_a the_o church_n be_v not_o more_o enthusiastical_a now_o then_o she_o be_v for_o 4._o thousand_o year_n before_o she_o have_v all_o the_o promise_n which_o christ_n make_v she_o of_o assistance_n which_o shall_v be_v at_o least_o as_o special_a and_o full_a as_o she_o ever_o have_v before_o before_o she_o deliver_v only_o what_o she_o have_v receive_v by_o tradition_n now_o she_o deliver_v what_o she_o receive_v by_o tradition_n and_o by_o scripture_n in_o interpret_n of_o which_o according_a to_o that_o sense_n true_o intend_v by_o the_o holy_a ghost_n the_o same_o holy_a ghost_n do_v assist_v she_o so_o that_o here_o be_v no_o new_a revelation_n claim_v to_o be_v make_v to_o she_o but_o a_o infallible_a assistance_n to_o propose_v faithful_o what_o be_v former_o reveal_v if_o other_o claimful_a assurance_n by_o the_o spirit_n in_o any_o point_n let_v they_o show_v as_o good_a promise_n make_v to_o they_o in_o particular_a as_o be_v make_v to_o the_o church_n and_o we_o shall_v never_o account_v these_o false_a enthusiast_n this_o infallible_a assistance_n be_v promise_v to_o the_o church_n by_o god_n can_v be_v vote_v from_o she_o by_o the_o multitude_n of_o misbeliever_n who_o oppose_v she_o though_o you_o set_v they_o all_o loose_a to_o vote_n against_o she_o 25_o after_o all_o you_o will_v have_v st._n paul_n call_v the_o church_n the_o pillar_n and_o ground_n of_o truth_n with_o a_o intention_n only_o to_o set_v forth_o the_o office_n and_o not_o with_o a_o intention_n to_o set_v forth_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n sir_n how_o can_v you_o know_v st._n paul_n intention_n but_o by_o his_o word_n and_o sure_o i_o be_o that_o no_o word_n can_v in_o brief_a more_o full_o set_v forth_o her_o infallible_a authority_n then_o by_o declare_v she_o to_o be_v the_o pillar_n itself_o and_o the_o ground_n of_o truth_n when_o he_o use_v such_o word_n as_o declare_v this_o as_o sufficient_o as_o need_v to_o be_v how_o know_v you_o that_o he_o intend_v not_o to_o declare_v this_o sufficient_o i_o ask_v also_o in_o any_o man_n apprehension_n what_o office_n of_o the_o church_n be_v signify_v by_o call_v she_o the_o ground_n of_o truth_n in_o which_o word_n a_o assure_o ground_a authority_n will_v present_o appear_v to_o be_v signify_v o_o but_o you_o know_v his_o intention_n be_v to_o signify_v the_o office_n only_o of_o the_o church_n and_o not_o her_o authority_n because_o he_o mean_v here_o to_o instruct_v timothy_n how_o to_o carry_v himself_o in_o the_o church_n of_o god_n and_o to_o this_o purpose_n it_o have_v be_v impertinent_a to_o speak_v of_o her_o authority_n as_o you_o think_v i_o think_v it_o be_v very_o pertinent_a to_o speak_v of_o it_o even_o to_o this_o purpose_n for_o be_v it_o not_o fit_a that_o in_o a_o church_n which_o be_v to_o be_v hold_v for_o the_o public_a oracle_n of_o the_o world_n the_o chief_n pastor_n of_o this_o church_n especial_o those_o who_o be_v to_o be_v first_o of_o all_o make_v chief_a pastor_n shall_v behave_v themselves_o so_o as_o not_o to_o make_v man_n believe_v it_o improbable_a that_o god_n shall_v assist_v infallible_o such_o a_o church_n how_o much_o do_v not_o your_o multitude_n only_o but_o your_o great_a doctor_n think_v themselves_o to_o say_v against_o the_o infallibility_n promise_v to_o such_o a_o church_n as_o we_o be_v in_o which_o they_o see_v sometime_o scandalous_a pope_n scandalous_a cardinal_n scandalous_a bishop_n etc._n etc._n which_o though_o it_o be_v a_o pitiful_a argument_n because_o scandalous_a man_n and_o solomon_n the_o idolater_n have_v be_v assist_v with_o a_o infallibility_n to_o be_v writer_n of_o scripture_n itself_o yet_o it_o be_v a_o argument_n which_o trouble_v weak_a soul_n and_o therefore_o to_o take_v away_o such_o scandal_n it_o be_v very_o convenient_a that_o bishop_n especial_o those_o who_o be_v first_o of_o all_o prefer_v to_o that_o office_n shall_v be_v blameless_a continent_n vigilant_a sober_a of_o good_a behaviour_n and_o that_o they_o shall_v have_v a_o good_a report_n even_o from_o the_o enemy_n of_o the_o church_n also_o that_o the_o deacon_n shall_v be_v grave_a not_o double_o tongue_v not_o give_v to_o much_o wine_n or_o covetous_a these_o and_o such_o like_a precept_n as_o these_o be_v much_o to_o the_o purpose_n and_o as_o so_o be_v here_o give_v by_o st._n paul_n to_o maintain_v the_o credit_n of_o such_o a_o church_n as_o may_v seem_v to_o all_o fit_a to_o be_v account_v the_o oracle_n of_o the_o world_n the_o pillar_n and_o ground_n of_o truth_n 59_o let_v we_o hear_v how_o you_o argue_v here_o if_o the_o infallibility_n of_o the_o church_n be_v here_o affirm_v than_o timothy_n need_v not_o such_o instruction_n to_o take_v care_n how_o he_o behave_v himself_o in_o the_o church_n since_o infallible_a assistance_n be_v immediate_a and_o that_o which_o be_v immediate_a include_v no_o time_n for_o the_o inspiration_n nor_o mean_n of_o instruction_n so_o you_o a_o strange_a consequence_n the_o church_n be_v infallible_a in_o define_v point_n in_o a_o general_a council_n ergo_fw-la no_o man_n need_v instruction_n for_o his_o private_a good_a behaviour_n be_v it_o so_o for_o the_o first_o two_o thousand_o year_n before_o the_o scripture_n be_v write_v or_o do_v we_o perhaps_o teach_v this_o infallible_a assistance_n to_o be_v communicate_v to_o every_o one_o immediate_o and_o how_o be_v it_o true_a that_o the_o assistance_n which_o be_v immediate_a to_o the_o church_n assemble_v in_o a_o full_a council_n include_v no_o time_n for_o the_o inspiration_n nor_o no_o mean_n for_o the_o instruction_n do_v you_o think_v that_o as_o soon_o as_o all_o be_v assemble_v they_o be_v present_o all_o or_o the_o great_a part_n to_o define_v all_o thing_n as_o fast_o as_o they_o be_v propose_v be_v it_o so_o when_o the_o apostle_n and_o the_o elder_n of_o the_o church_n be_v assemble_v together_o in_o the_o first_o council_n though_o this_o issue_v forth_o their_o decree_n with_o this_o preface_n it_o seem_v good_a to_o the_o holy_a ghost_n and_o we_o be_v there_o no_o time_n require_v for_o this_o short_a decree_n no_o mean_n use_v before_o it_o be_v make_v read_v those_o word_n the_o apostle_n and_o the_o elder_n come_v together_o to_o consider_v of_o the_o matter_n and_o when_o there_o have_v be_v much_o dispute_v peter_n rise_v up_o and_o say_v there_o follow_v his_o speech_n then_o st._n james_n make_v a_o other_o speech_n to_o what_o purpose_n all_o these_o speech_n and_o these_o make_v after_o former_a much_o dispute_v if_o your_o doctrine_n be_v true_a that_o neither_o time_n nor_o use_n of_o any_o be_v to_o proceed_v
which_o be_v hard_o to_o affirm_v since_o we_o can_v see_v that_o there_o be_v any_o such_o necessity_n for_o such_o assistance_n and_o by_o those_o word_n such_o assistance_n your_o last_o reply_n show_v that_o you_o mean_v assistance_n extend_v to_o infallibility_n sir_n stand_v to_o scripture_n and_o show_v out_o of_o the_o text_n that_o he_o promise_v to_o be_v with_o they_o secure_v they_o from_o all_o error_n in_o the_o first_o age_n and_o he_o promise_v not_o so_o much_o for_o the_o second_o or_o three_o age_n against_o your_o reason_n we_o have_v our_o reason_n bring_v against_o my_o illimited_a text_n another_o text_n teach_v clear_o that_o my_o text_n ought_v to_o be_v limit_v to_o a_o small_a assistance_n in_o other_o age_n than_o be_v here_o promise_v for_o the_o first_o as_o for_o the_o necessity_n of_o the_o people_n which_o be_v the_o prime_a reason_n why_o christ_n give_v this_o infallibility_n it_o be_v great_a in_o age_n remote_a from_o christ_n you_o ask_v why_o then_o be_v our_o tradition_n now_o equal_o infallible_a to_o those_o of_o these_o time_n i_o answer_v that_o as_o it_o be_v hard_a to_o prove_v now_o that_o christ_n do_v such_o miracle_n be_v crucify_v do_v rise_v again_o than_o it_o be_v present_o after_o these_o thing_n happen_v yet_o all_o these_o thing_n be_v as_o infallibily_n true_a now_o as_o they_o be_v then_o and_z as_o infallilible_n so_o i_o say_v of_o tradition_n which_o for_o all_o this_o do_v not_o lose_v a_o sufficient_a measure_n of_o infallible_a certainty_n but_o to_o go_v on_o what_o if_o there_o be_v no_o such_o necessity_n of_o such_o assistance_n for_o other_o age_n what_o text_n have_v you_o to_o prove_v that_o god_n must_v needs_o give_v no_o more_o than_o be_v necessary_a and_o can_v promise_v more_o and_o give_v what_o he_o promise_v i_o know_v you_o will_v say_v this_o infallibility_n in_o age_n after_o the_o scripture_n be_v not_o necessary_a because_o the_o scripture_n alone_o will_v serve_v to_o decide_v all_o controversy_n sir_n do_v not_o the_o church_n alone_o serve_v to_o decide_v all_o controversy_n before_o the_o scripture_n be_v write_v yes_o why_o then_o be_v scripture_n think_v necessary_a by_o you_o even_o for_o this_o end_n for_o which_o the_o church_n be_v well_o provide_v before_o again_o the_o old_a scripture_n do_v it_o not_o testify_v as_o much_o as_o be_v necessary_a that_o jesus_n christ_n be_v the_o true_a messiah_n yes_o to_o what_o end_n then_o be_v saint_n john_n baptist_n send_v to_o testify_v this_o to_o what_o end_n a_o voice_n send_v from_o heaven_n to_o testify_v this_o to_o what_o end_n so_o many_o miracle_n wrought_v to_o testify_v this_o to_o what_o end_n do_v christ_n and_o his_o apostle_n still_o further_o testify_v this_o mark_v here_o how_o false_a your_o judgement_n be_v in_o think_v god_n will_v promise_v just_a what_o be_v necessary_a and_o no_o more_o sir_n in_o age_n after_o the_o first_o when_o the_o church_n shall_v grow_v from_o a_o grain_n of_o mustardseed_n to_o be_v a_o tree_n of_o vast_a extent_n in_o such_o a_o vast_a compass_n and_o in_o progress_n of_o many_o age_n a_o world_n of_o doubt_n will_v rise_v which_o book_n be_v scripture_n which_o not_o which_o corrupt_a scripture_n which_o not_o which_o be_v the_o undoubted_a sense_n of_o the_o uncorrupted_a scripture_n which_o not_o why_o may_v not_o christ_n for_o any_o thing_n you_o know_v by_o scripture_n think_v this_o a_o sufficient_a reason_n to_o promise_v a_o assistance_n extend_v to_o infallibility_n for_o other_o age_n of_o the_o church_n as_o well_o as_o for_o the_o first_o age_n will_v a_o authority_n so_o assist_v to_o testify_v all_o this_o infallible_o be_v less_o necessary_a than_o so_o many_o authority_n to_o testify_v that_o jesus_n christ_n be_v the_o true_a messiah_n after_o it_o be_v infallible_o testify_v by_o true_a scripture_n and_o all_o these_o testimony_n be_v give_v to_o the_o jew_n as_o ill_o as_o they_o be_v dispose_v how_o then_o can_v you_o say_v of_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n that_o she_o for_o want_v of_o this_o disposition_n be_v deprive_v of_o this_o assistance_n in_o all_o age_n but_o the_o first_o what_o you_o add_v of_o tradition_n have_v be_v already_o answer_v see_v also_o number_v twelve_o but_o what_o you_o add_v of_o scripture_n have_v still_o the_o same_o certainty_n be_v apparent_o false_a speak_v as_o you_o speak_v in_o order_n to_o assure_v we_o for_o you_o yourself_o confess_v that_o divers_a book_n of_o scripture_n as_o the_o apocalypse_v &c._n &c._n be_v now_o hold_v certain_a which_o be_v not_o hold_v so_o before_o again_o many_o and_o a_o good_a many_o book_n of_o scripture_n be_v quite_o lose_v how_o know_v you_o by_o scripture_n only_o that_o no_o necessary_a point_n for_o practice_n or_o belief_n contain_v in_o those_o book_n only_o do_v not_o perish_v with_o the_o book_n themselves_o and_o as_o for_o the_o book_n we_o have_v you_o see_v how_o uncertain_a we_o remain_v about_o the_o true_a sense_n of_o they_o in_o high_a point_n then_o they_o have_v the_o apostle_n themselves_o or_o the_o know_a disciple_n of_o the_o apostle_n to_o tell_v they_o the_o meaning_n of_o these_o word_n this_o be_v my_o body_n be_v this_o so_o real_o or_o figurative_o only_a these_o word_n baptise_v all_o nation_n do_v or_o do_v not_o include_v infant_n to_o be_v a_o priest_n or_o a_o bishop_n be_v to_o have_v power_n to_o sacrifice_v to_o absolve_v or_o be_v it_o not_o now_o time_n make_v these_o hold_v for_o uncertainty_n whereas_o by_o and_o by_o you_o admit_v that_o by_o this_o promise_n of_o christ_n the_o church_n be_v secure_a from_o damnable_a error_n though_o not_o from_o all_o simple_a error_n for_o then_o no_o body_n shall_v be_v leave_v for_o god_n to_o be_v withal_o you_o admit_v that_o which_o will_v destroy_v quite_o what_o you_o say_v before_o for_o before_o you_o say_v heresy_n consist_v in_o opposition_n to_o clear_a scripture_n whence_o all_o those_o must_v needs_o be_v heretic_n who_o oppose_v clear_a scripture_n therefore_o all_o those_o who_o hold_v these_o prime_a point_n in_o which_o you_o and_o we_o differ_v with_o we_o against_o you_o be_v heretic_n for_o they_o hold_v these_o point_n which_o as_o you_o say_v be_v against_o clear_a scripture_n but_o by_o your_o own_o confession_n christ_n have_v no_o visible_a church_n baptise_v teach_v all_o nation_n etc._n etc._n but_o those_o who_o hold_v these_o prime_a point_n in_o which_o we_o and_o you_o differ_v wherefore_o we_o must_v confess_v that_o christ_n be_v with_o these_o opposer_n of_o evident_a scripture_n or_o else_o you_o can_v show_v with_o what_o member_n of_o the_o church_n he_o be_v for_o all_o these_o last_o age_n precede_v the_o reformation_n let_v we_o go_v on_o 30._o what_o kind_n of_o assistance_n christ_n promise_v may_v be_v gather_v behold_v a_o five_o text_n out_o of_o several_a word_n in_o the_o 14._o chapter_n of_o saint_n john_n there_o verse_n 15._o he_o say_v i_o will_v pray_v the_o father_n and_o he_o shall_v give_v another_o comforter_n that_o he_o may_v abide_v with_o you_o for_o ever_o even_o the_o spirit_n of_o truth_n who_o the_o world_n can_v receive_v and_o verse_n 27._o the_o comforter_n which_o be_v the_o holy_a ghost_n who_o the_o father_n will_v send_v in_o my_o name_n he_o shall_v teach_v you_o all_o thing_n and_o suggest_v unto_o you_o all_o thing_n whatsoever_o i_o shall_v say_v unto_o you_o and_o chap._n 16._o ver_fw-la 12._o i_o have_v yet_o many_o thing_n to_o say_v unto_o you_o how_o be_v it_o when_o the_o spirit_n of_o truth_n be_v come_v he_o will_v guide_v you_o into_o all_o truth_n i_o ask_v now_o according_a to_o these_o text_n how_o long_o be_v this_o spirit_n of_o truth_n to_o abide_v with_o they_o in_o their_o successor_n for_o ever_o say_v the_o text._n shall_v he_o also_o secure_a those_o with_o who_o he_o for_o ever_o abide_v from_o all_o error_n he_o will_v guide_v you_o into_o all_o truth_n say_v the_o text._n give_v i_o then_o leave_v less_o to_o regard_v what_o you_o say_v to_o the_o contrary_n where_o there_o be_v all_o truth_n there_o be_v no_o error_n if_o you_o answer_v there_o be_v no_o fundamental_a error_n i_o reply_v that_o all_o truth_n exclude_v all_o error_n either_o in_o point_n fundamental_a or_o not_o fundamental_a and_o be_v you_o can_v assure_o tell_v i_o which_o point_n be_v fundamental_a which_o not_o which_o destructive_a of_o salvation_n which_o not_o which_o be_v curable_a which_o be_v not_o you_o must_v grant_v i_o that_o she_o be_v to_o be_v believe_v in_o all_o point_n and_o fear_v not_o to_o believe_v she_o she_o will_v guide_v you_o into_o all_o truth_n therefore_o you_o may_v secure_o follow_v she_o in_o all_o herwaies_o this_o promise_n of_o christ_n make_v equal_o to_o the_o apostle_n and_o
to_o their_o successor_n the_o visible_a teacher_n and_o guide_n of_o the_o church_n which_o be_v to_o guide_v people_n into_o all_o truth_n for_o ever_o must_v needs_o have_v be_v verify_v all_o this_o last_o thousand_o year_n before_o your_o reformation_n all_o this_o time_n all_o the_o visible_a guide_n or_o prelate_n of_o the_o church_n be_v lead_v and_o do_v lead_v into_o opinion_n contrary_a to_o the_o tenet_n of_o your_o church_n but_o all_o this_o time_n the_o spirit_n of_o truth_n do_v abide_v with_o they_o guide_v they_o into_o all_o truth_n therefore_o the_o opinion_n contrary_a to_o your_o tenet_n be_v true_a and_o not_o error_n if_o he_o shall_v be_v with_o your_o prelate_n begin_v this_o last_o age_n to_o hold_v contrary_a to_o the_o prelate_n of_o the_o last_o thousand_o year_n he_o shall_v be_v with_o those_o who_o teach_v contradiction_n in_o point_n of_o belief_n opposite_a to_o the_o former_a belief_n behold_v a_o clear_a reason_n why_o i_o appropriate_a this_o promise_n to_o our_o bishop_n and_o church_n and_o not_o to_o you_o the_o holy_a ghost_n can_v not_o teach_v those_o guide_n of_o the_o church_n forever_o who_o for_o a_o vast_a long_a time_n of_o many_o age_n be_v not_o in_o the_o world_n show_v i_o a_o succession_n in_o all_o age_n of_o the_o guide_n or_o lawful_a pastor_n of_o any_o church_n hold_v your_o text_n in_o point_n differ_v from_o we_o and_o then_o i_o must_v labour_v to_o find_v a_o reason_n why_o i_o say_v the_o holy_a ghost_n ever_o since_o christ_n time_n guide_v the_o lawful_a pastor_n of_o our_o church_n into_o all_o truth_n rather_o than_o the_o lawful_a pastor_n of_o your_o church_n which_o pastor_n have_v no_o be_v in_o the_o church_n or_o world_n and_o consequent_o no_o capacity_n to_o be_v guide_v into_o all_o truth_n 31_o a_o six_o text_n to_o prove_v this_o assistance_n to_o be_v extend_v to_o infallibility_n be_v 4_o ephes_n whence_o appear_v that_o the_o end_n and_o intention_n of_o christ_n in_o give_v we_o who_o be_v visible_a in_o all_o age_n doctor_n and_o pastor_n for_o all_o age_n be_v such_o a_o end_n and_o such_o a_o intention_n as_o can_v not_o be_v compass_v by_o such_o doctor_n and_o pastor_n as_o may_v lead_v we_o into_o circumvention_n of_o error_n even_o then_o when_o they_o where_o assemble_v together_o to_o deliver_v the_o truth_n from_o their_o high_a tribunal_n in_o a_o general_n council_n how_o pitiful_o will_v the_o saint_n be_v consummate_v by_o such_o doctor_n how_o pitiful_o will_v the_o work_n of_o the_o ministry_n be_v perform_v how_o pitiful_o will_v the_o body_n of_o christ_n be_v edify_v by_o such_o doctor_n and_o pastor_n last_o how_o impossible_a will_v it_o be_v for_o we_o by_o the_o have_v of_o such_o doctor_n and_o pastor_n that_o we_o now_o provide_v of_o such_o guide_n be_v not_o child_n waver_v and_o carry_v about_o with_o the_o wind_n of_o doctrine_n in_o the_o wickedness_n of_o man_n in_o craftiness_n in_o circumvention_n of_o error_n you_o see_v st._n paul_n affirm_v the_o doctor_n and_o pastor_n which_o be_v give_v unto_o we_o to_o be_v give_v for_o this_o end_n and_o consequent_o sufficient_o assist_v to_o the_o same_o that_o we_o may_v secure_o rest_v in_o their_o doctrine_n which_o we_o may_v not_o do_v in_o any_o erroneous_a doctrine_n be_v the_o error_n little_a or_o great_a for_o it_o be_v a_o ridiculous_a thing_n to_o say_v we_o be_v to_o rest_v circumvent_v in_o error_n lest_o we_o shall_v fall_v into_o circumvention_n of_o error_n the_o assistance_n therefore_o be_v such_o as_o preserve_v from_o all_o error_n and_o such_o a_o assistance_n be_v proportionable_a to_o god_n intention_n of_o secure_v we_o from_o have_v reason_n to_o waver_v or_o to_o be_v change_v and_o change_v so_o to_o cure_v some_o curable_a error_n with_o which_o we_o fear_v to_o be_v circumvent_v whereas_o by_o the_o unanimous_a doctrine_n of_o these_o doctor_n and_o pastor_n god_n intend_v to_o preserve_v we_o sufficient_o from_o ever_o fall_v into_o circumvention_n of_o error_n 32._o a_o seven_o text_n to_o prove_v the_o assistance_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n give_v to_o the_o church_n to_o be_v extend_v to_o infallibility_n be_v take_v from_o esay_n chap._n 56._o verse_n 20._o and_o 21._o where_o god_n speak_v of_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n to_o which_o after_o his_o come_v many_o of_o the_o jew_n be_v to_o unite_v themselves_o according_a to_o the_o interpretation_n of_o saint_n paul_n 18._o romans_z verse_n 26._o thus_o god_n by_o esay_n the_o redeemer_n shall_v come_v to_o zion_n and_o unto_o they_o who_o by_o unite_n themselves_o to_o christ_n church_n shall_v turn_v from_o transgression_n in_o jacob_n say_v the_o lord_n note_v here_o that_o the_o word_n which_o our_o lord_n be_v go_v to_o say_v be_v speak_v to_o the_o visible_a church_n to_o wit_n that_o church_n to_o which_o rhe_n jew_n do_v unite_v themselves_o be_v baptize_v in_o it_o instruct_v in_o it_o govern_v by_o it_o etc._n etc._n now_o our_o lord_n to_o this_o church_n visible_o baptise_v instruct_v govern_v etc._n etc._n say_v as_o for_o i_o this_o be_v my_o covenant_n with_o they_o say_v the_o lord_n my_o spirit_n that_o be_v upon_o thou_o and_o my_o word_n free_a from_o error_n in_o all_o point_v great_a and_o little_a which_o i_o have_v put_v in_o thy_o mouth_n that_o mouth_n by_o which_o thou_o visible_o do_v teach_v all_o nation_n shall_v not_o depart_v out_o of_o this_o thy_o mouth_n nor_o out_o of_o the_o mouth_n of_o thy_o seed_n nor_o out_o of_o the_o mouth_n of_o thy_o seed_n seed_n say_v the_o lord_n from_o henceforth_o and_o for_o ever_o behold_v here_o the_o spirit_n of_o truth_n entail_v upon_o the_o church_n for_o all_o age_n never_o depart_v from_o her_o mouth_n nor_o the_o mouth_n of_o her_o seed_n seed_n which_o not_o depart_v from_o the_o mouth_n by_o which_o visible_o she_o teach_v instruct_v and_o govern_v show_v this_o spirit_n entail_v upon_o the_o church_n as_o visible_a and_o not_o as_o invisible_a as_o you_o will_v have_v it_o and_o this_o not_o depart_v of_o his_o spirit_n from_o her_o mouth_n be_v a_o no_o less_o clear_a then_o eloquent_a expression_n of_o her_o infallibility_n in_o her_o doctrine_n for_o god_n spirit_n or_o word_n be_v not_o in_o a_o mouth_n teach_v error_n again_o a_o promise_n of_o not_o depart_v from_o her_o mouth_n from_o thenceforth_o and_o for_o ever_o make_v it_o evident_a that_o this_o last_o thousand_o year_n there_o be_v some_o visible_a church_n who_o prelate_n and_o pastor_n do_v show_v their_o head_n and_o open_v their_o mouth_n in_o teach_v truth_n and_o yet_o what_o be_v visible_o teach_v all_o this_o while_n be_v in_o all_o point_v debate_v between_o you_o and_o we_o opposite_a to_o you_o by_o the_o way_n note_v how_o unjust_o you_o not_o long_o since_o tax_v those_o of_o come_v near_o blasphemy_n who_o say_v that_o god_n do_v speak_v to_o we_o and_o teach_v we_o by_o his_o church_n what_o mean_v these_o word_n my_o word_n shall_v not_o depart_v out_o of_o thy_o mouth_n nor_o out_o of_o the_o mouth_n of_o thy_o seed_n nor_o of_o thy_o seed_n seed_n 33_o hence_o for_o a_o eight_o text_n i_o may_v well_o allege_v what_o this_o prophet_n infer_v from_o hence_o in_o the_o next_o chapter_n where_o he_o triumph_v in_o the_o church_n thus_o teach_v all_o nation_n and_o there_o he_o add_v for_o the_o nation_n and_o kingdom_n that_o shall_v not_o serve_v thou_o shall_v perish_v verse_n 12._o because_o if_o this_o church_n shall_v ever_o at_o any_o time_n fall_v to_o teach_v error_n nation_n shall_v do_v well_o and_o shall_v further_o their_o salvation_n by_o forsake_v her_o err_a as_o the_o protestant_n say_v they_o do_v and_o note_v how_o these_o word_n clear_o show_v that_o the_o scripture_n speak_v of_o the_o church_n visible_a which_o nation_n and_o kingdom_n may_v find_v out_o and_o serve_v and_o must_v perish_v like_a publican_n and_o heathen_n if_o they_o do_v not_o serve_v and_o obey_v she_o be_v therefore_o secure_v from_o error_n hence_o verse_n 20._o thy_o sun_n shall_v no_o more_o go_v down_o neither_o shall_v the_o moon_n withdraw_v itself_o for_o the_o lord_n shall_v be_v thy_o everlasting_a light_n and_o the_o day_n of_o thy_o mourn_a shall_v be_v end_v and_o in_o the_o next_o chapter_n to_o the_o son_n of_o this_o church_n he_o promise_v that_o everlasting_a joy_n shall_v be_v unto_o they_o verse_n 7._o and_o in_o the_o next_o chapter_n last_o verse_n thou_o shall_v be_v call_v seek_v out_o a_o city_n not_o forsake_v have_v this_o church_n be_v forsake_v and_o leave_v in_o such_o error_n as_o be_v impute_v to_o the_o roman_a church_n christ_n have_v not_o be_v a_o everlasting_a light_n to_o here_o who_o he_o have_v leave_v in_o such_o darkness_n for_o a_o thousand_o year_n
25_o and_o 26_o number_n and_o so_o together_o with_o they_o i_o must_v let_v pass_v even_o that_o main_a and_o convince_a place_n of_o st._n austin_n this_o suppose_a i_o have_v end_v all_o which_o belong_v to_o this_o chapter_n the_o five_o chapter_n the_o church_n which_o be_v our_o judge_n and_o infallible_a be_v the_o roman_a church_n all_z that_o i_o be_o to_o prove_v here_o be_v numb_a of_o my_o 27_o numb_a that_o upon_o supposition_n that_o it_o be_v now_o make_v good_a that_o the_o church_n be_v our_o judge_n in_o all_o controversy_n and_o also_o that_o it_o be_v make_v good_a that_o she_o be_v infallible_a that_o all_o this_o can_v be_v verify_v of_o no_o other_o church_n than_o the_o roman_a whence_o it_o follow_v that_o whosoever_o will_v say_v any_o thing_n against_o that_o which_o i_o do_v undertake_v to_o prove_v in_o this_o part_n of_o my_o discourse_n must_v argue_v against_o i_o not_o by_o deny_v some_o church_n to_o be_v judge_n of_o controversy_n and_o infallible_a but_o admit_v that_o for_o truth_n he_o must_v prove_v that_o i_o without_o reason_n claim_v this_o right_n of_o judicature_n and_o this_o infallibility_n for_o the_o roman_a church_n and_o only_o for_o the_o roman_a still_o understand_v by_o the_o roman_a church_n all_o church_n which_o submit_v themselves_o to_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n as_o to_o their_o supreme_a pastor_n 2_o that_o than_o which_o remain_v here_o to_o be_v prove_v i_o do_v prove_v and_o still_o do_v prove_v thus_o the_o protestant_a church_n and_o all_o other_o church_n different_a from_o the_o roman_a do_v judge_n themselves_o acknowledge_v themselves_o declare_v and_o profess_v themselves_o to_o be_v fallible_a and_o that_o according_a to_o infallible_a scripture_n if_o then_o any_o of_o these_o church_n be_v infallible_a in_o what_o they_o judge_v and_o declare_v for_o truth_n ground_v in_o scripture_n they_o be_v infallible_a in_o this_o their_o judge_a and_o delare_v themselves_o to_o be_v fallible_a therefore_o infallible_o they_o be_v fallible_a therefore_o upon_o supposition_n that_o it_o have_v be_v former_o prove_v that_o some_o church_n be_v judge_v of_o controversy_n and_o infallible_a and_o it_o be_v by_o the_o former_a argument_n demonstrative_o prove_v that_o neither_o the_o protestant_n church_n nor_o any_o church_n different_a from_o the_o roman_a can_v be_v judge_n of_o controversy_n and_o infallible_a it_o evident_o follow_v that_o only_o the_o roman_a church_n be_v this_o judge_n and_o be_v infallible_a as_o she_o teach_v herself_o to_o be_v here_o you_o exclaim_v at_o my_o abuse_v other_o by_o ratiocination_n which_o notwithstanding_o i_o confident_o say_v you_o can_v not_o nor_o can_v solve_v therefore_o prehaps_o you_o be_v please_v to_o wonder_n and_o then_o gibe_v at_o my_o argument_n as_o if_o i_o only_o argue_v thus_o the_o roman_a church_n claim_v infallibility_n therefore_o by_o claim_v of_o it_o she_o have_v right_a to_o it_o this_o argument_n you_o may_v free_o scoff_n at_o it_o be_v nothing_o like_o i_o and_o yet_o in_o undo_v this_o fond_a argument_n you_o only_o busy_a yourself_o and_o say_v nothing_o to_o that_o which_o i_o press_v and_o still_o press_v that_o the_o church_n which_o be_v appoint_v by_o god_n for_o infallible_a judge_n of_o controversy_n can_v possible_o be_v any_o of_o those_o church_n which_o teach_v themselves_o not_o to_o be_v this_o infallible_a judge_n it_o have_v be_v very_o easy_a to_o have_v understand_v this_o right_a and_o not_o to_o make_v i_o say_v that_o only_o lay_v claim_n to_o infallibility_n be_v a_o sufficient_a proof_n of_o infallibility_n it_o be_v a_o very_a different_a thing_n to_o say_v he_o that_o must_v be_v a_o minister_n must_v be_v a_o man_n and_o not_o a_o woman_n and_o to_o say_v such_o a_o one_o must_v needs_o be_v a_o minister_n because_o he_o be_v a_o man_n and_o not_o a_o woman_n so_o it_o be_v one_o thing_n to_o say_v the_o church_n which_o be_v the_o infallible_a judge_n must_v be_v a_o church_n judge_v and_o teach_v herself_o to_o be_v infallible_a and_o can_v be_v a_o church_n which_o judge_v and_o teach_v herself_o fallible_a and_o another_o thing_n to_o say_v that_o that_o church_n be_v infallible_o judge_v which_o teach_v herself_o to_o be_v so_o this_o i_o say_v not_o but_o i_o say_v that_o church_n that_o must_v be_v infallible_a must_v not_o want_v this_o condition_n and_o therefore_o no_o church_n teach_v herself_o even_o according_a to_o scripture_n to_o be_v fallible_a can_v true_o be_v this_o infallible_a judge_n against_o my_o argument_n true_o relate_v you_o have_v not_o one_o word_n without_o you_o think_v you_o have_v answer_v i_o by_o say_v that_o no_o church_n of_o christ_n be_v infallible_a and_o therefore_o not_o the_o roman_a but_o sir_n do_v not_o you_o always_o hitherto_o still_o importune_o call_v upon_o i_o to_o prove_v that_o even_o upon_o supposition_n that_o the_o church_n be_v our_o judge_n and_o infallible_a that_o these_o great_a prerogative_n belong_v to_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n you_o bid_v i_o still_o prove_v this_o even_o stand_v upon_o the_o supposition_n that_o some_o church_n be_v judge_v and_o infallible_a be_v it_o then_o any_o thing_n like_o a_o scholar_n like_o answer_n to_o return_v no_o other_o answer_n to_o my_o argument_n but_o by_o now_o say_v the_o supposition_n be_v not_o true_a the_o truth_n of_o which_o though_o allow_v you_o contend_v to_o be_v nothing_o to_o my_o purpose_n if_o you_o will_v grant_v i_o that_o if_o any_o church_n be_v judge_n of_o controversy_n and_o infallible_a this_o be_v our_o church_n i_o have_v do_v neither_o intend_v i_o any_o thing_n else_o in_o this_o chapter_n 3_o you_o bring_v a_o argument_n to_o prove_v our_o church_n fallible_a because_o either_o it_o err_v in_o admit_v or_o in_o reject_v the_o millenary_a opinion_n before_o admit_v sir_n i_o call_v upon_o you_o to_o prove_v that_o ever_o our_o infallible_a judge_n that_o be_v the_o supreme_a pastor_n of_o the_o church_n define_v with_o the_o church_n assemble_v in_o a_o council_n do_v admit_v of_o the_o millinery_a opinion_n if_o this_o be_v not_o do_v you_o prove_v not_o our_o judge_n to_o be_v fallible_a and_o this_o i_o be_o sure_a can_v never_o be_v prove_v yea_o it_o can_v be_v prove_v that_o the_o church_n diffuse_v or_o universal_a do_v at_o any_o one_o age_n unanimous_o admit_v of_o this_o doctrine_n for_o a_o point_n of_o faith_n for_o when_o this_o opinion_n begin_v to_o get_v much_o ground_n divers_a of_o the_o father_n do_v oppose_v it_o even_o s._n justin_n dialogo_fw-la cum_fw-la triphone_n circa_fw-la medium_n who_o your_o use_n so_o common_o to_o allege_v for_o this_o opinion_n in_o plain_a word_n tell_v you_o multos_fw-la qui_fw-la purae_fw-la piaeque_fw-la sunt_fw-la christianorum_fw-la sententia_fw-la hoc_fw-la non_fw-la agnoscere_fw-la that_o many_o note_n the_o word_n many_o who_o be_v of_o a_o pure_a and_o pious_a christian_a opinion_n do_v not_o acknowledge_v this_o and_o your_o own_o learned_a doctor_n ha_o in_o bis_fw-la view_n of_o etc._n etc._n page_n 87._o 88_o 89._o do_v prove_v the_o weakness_n of_o that_o place_n in_o st._n justin_n not_o to_o conclude_v any_o thing_n against_o catholic_a tradition_n nicephorus_n will_v tell_v you_o l._n 3._o c._n 21._o that_o papias_n bishop_n of_o hierapolis_n be_v the_o first_o author_n of_o this_o opinion_n the_o tradition_n of_o the_o church_n have_v no_o first_o author_n but_o the_o apostle_n number_n of_o my_o 28_o number_n wherefore_o by_o all_o you_o have_v hitherto_o say_v my_o argument_n remain_v unanswered_a and_o be_v real_o unanswerable_a the_o supposition_n be_v admit_v upon_o which_o it_o be_v speak_v for_o tell_v i_o whether_o any_o church_n which_o teach_v herself_o to_o be_v fallible_a can_v be_v true_o infallible_a if_o any_o such_o church_n can_v be_v infallible_a and_o all_o church_n be_v such_o but_o the_o roman_a than_o christ_n can_v have_v no_o church_n upon_o earth_n to_o be_v our_o infallible_a judge_n but_o the_o roman_a wherefore_o no_o tolerable_a answer_n be_v yet_o give_v to_o this_o argument_n i_o will_v be_v as_o good_a as_o my_o word_n when_o i_o say_v in_o this_o number_n that_o this_o be_v a_o demonstration_n i_o shall_v hold_v myself_o bind_v to_o say_v no_o more_o until_o this_o argument_n be_v answer_v here_o than_o i_o end_v yet_o when_o you_o shall_v have_v solve_v this_o argument_n i_o shall_v be_v ready_a to_o make_v good_a my_o promise_n concern_v what_o i_o say_v i_o can_v and_o will_v show_v of_o the_o roman_a church_n to_o soon_o as_o i_o shall_v see_v this_o argument_n answer_v petrae_fw-la durity_n nulli_fw-la magis_fw-la quà m_fw-la ferienti_fw-la notae_fw-la finis_fw-la a_o answer_n to_o your_o last_o paper_n titulus_fw-la libri_fw-la saepe_fw-la legendus_fw-la est_fw-la as_o the_o rule_n be_v the_o title_n of_o a_o book_n be_v often_o to_o be_v read_v
again_o this_o obedience_n he_o speak_v of_o will_v be_v rational_a obedience_n and_o therefore_o not_o blind_a for_o to_o follow_v such_o a_o guide_n which_o be_v always_o rule_v by_o christ_n and_o therefore_o never_o swerve_v from_o his_o word_n if_o this_o can_v be_v make_v good_a to_o i_o that_o any_o church_n do_v and_o can_v do_v other_o be_v very_o rational_a and_o not_o blind_a obedience_n if_o the_o say_n and_o definition_n of_o the_o church_n be_v assure_v by_o christ_n and_o his_o word_n to_o be_v according_a to_o christ_n and_o his_o word_n it_o be_v necessary_a to_o be_v obedient_a to_o it_o as_o to_o what_o i_o find_v in_o scripure_a though_o i_o do_v not_o comprehend_v the_o reason_n of_o it_o as_o the_o scripture_n do_v bind_v to_o faith_n without_o dispute_n so_o will_v the_o church_n be_v i_o assure_v by_o the_o scripture_n that_o the_o church_n can_v not_o swerve_v from_o it_o but_o here_o be_v two_o thing_n want_v one_o be_v of_o a_o proof_n that_o the_o church_n have_v not_o swerve_v and_o a_o second_o that_o it_o can_v swerve_v from_o the_o word_n of_o god_n for_o my_o faith_n must_v build_v itself_o immediate_o not_o upon_o the_o former_a because_o the_o power_n of_o swerve_v be_v not_o sufficient_o secure_v by_o the_o negative_a but_o it_o must_v be_v build_v upon_o the_o impossibility_n and_o this_o shall_v be_v demonstrate_v and_o still_o i_o must_v mind_v you_o that_o i_o speak_v of_o the_o universal_a church_n convent_v in_o a_o general_n council_n confirm_v by_o the_o supreme_a pastor_n ans_fw-fr and_o i_o still_o say_v that_o the_o universal_a church_n so_o constitute_v be_v not_o free_a from_o the_o least_o danger_n of_o swerve_v from_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o this_o in_o gross_a be_v enough_o until_o it_o be_v make_v good_a by_o sound_a argument_n yet_o also_o particular_o first_o he_o mean_v the_o universal_a church_n representative_o for_o otherwise_o all_o can_v come_v together_o but_o then_o let_v we_o have_v a_o account_n why_o there_o can_v not_o be_v admit_v to_o the_o title_n of_o the_o trent_n council_n that_o which_o the_o â—rench_n so_o much_o urge_v namely_o represent_v the_o universal_a church_n if_o it_o do_v represent_v the_o universal_a church_n why_o may_v it_o not_o be_v say_v in_o the_o title_n if_o it_o do_v not_o how_o do_v he_o say_v the_o universal_a church_n convent_v in_o a_o general_n council_n 2._o a_o supreme_a pastor_n in_o your_o sense_n shall_v be_v prove_v and_o not_o suppose_v for_o we_o acknowledge_v no_o supreme_a pastor_n but_o christ_n which_o can_v give_v life_n or_o law_n to_o all_o the_o church_n he_o the_o pastor_n and_o bishop_n of_o our_o soul_n 1_o pet._n 2.25_o he_o the_o chief_a pastor_n 1_o pet._n 5.4_o and_o all_o bishop_n under_o he_o do_v equal_o participate_v a_o vicarial_a care_n of_o the_o church_n but_o three_o the_o trent_n council_n according_a to_o you_o be_v general_a and_o confirm_v by_o the_o supreme_a pastor_n and_o vigilius_n be_v the_o tutilarie_n saint_n of_o the_o valley_n of_o trent_n and_o yet_o the_o trent_n council_n swerve_v gross_o from_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o particular_o in_o the_o matter_n of_o half_a communion_n as_o in_o the_o twenty_o first_o session_n notwithstanding_o christ_n his_o institution_n and_o the_o several_a interpretation_n of_o the_o doctor_n and_o father_n acknowledge_v against_o they_o in_o the_o first_o chap._n of_o that_o session_n and_o although_o from_o the_o begin_n of_o christian_a religion_n the_o use_n under_o both_o kind_n be_v not_o unfrequent_a as_o be_v confess_v in_o the_o second_o ch_z four_o if_o the_o church_n so_o constitute_v can_v swerve_v from_o the_o word_n of_o god_n why_o do_v the_o trent_n council_n fear_v to_o determine_v what_o be_v the_o nature_n of_o original_a sin_n which_o viga_n urge_v they_o to_o upon_o good_a reason_n and_o why_o do_v they_o not_o determine_v whether_o the_o bless_a virgin_n be_v exempt_v from_o original_a infection_n whereof_o the_o franciscan_n so_o much_o urge_v the_o affirmative_a to_o be_v define_v the_o dominican_n the_o negative_a and_o yet_o in_o say_v non_fw-la esse_fw-la suae_fw-la intentionis_fw-la it_o be_v not_o of_o their_o intention_n to_o comprehend_v in_o this_o decree_n wherein_o original_a sin_n be_v handle_v the_o bless_a and_o immaculate_a virgin_n they_o do_v interpretative_o exempt_v she_o though_o st._n paul_n and_o all_o holy_a doctâ—â—â—_n do_v not_o exempt_v she_o as_o the_o dominican_n urge_v and_o so_o they_o do_v in_o effect_n contradict_v their_o universal_a proposition_n wherein_o it_o be_v say_v propagatione_fw-la non_fw-la imitatione_n transfusum_fw-la omnibus_fw-la at_o least_o it_o make_v that_o definition_n uncertain_a as_o the_o german_a protestant_n note_v therefore_o that_o which_o follow_v in_o his_o paper_n do_v not_o follow_v in_o reason_n this_o church_n guide_v by_o her_o infalible_a doctrine_n be_v this_o way_n the_o church_n diffusive_a guide_v now_o by_o this_o doctrine_n be_v promise_v this_o direct_a way_n such_o a_o way_n we_o be_v promise_v a_o way_n so_o direct_v represent_v that_o fool_n can_v err_v by_o it_o ans_fw-fr these_o word_n may_v have_v be_v all_o spare_v for_o they_o be_v all_o as_o cipher_n till_o one_o thing_n be_v prove_v and_o that_o be_v the_o infalible_a doctrine_n as_o a_o property_n inseparable_a to_o the_o church_n if_o the_o church_n go_v this_o way_n to_o prove_v herself_o the_o way_n she_o be_v not_o the_o way_n because_o she_o go_v out_o of_o the_o way_n or_o else_o christ_n be_v out_o of_o the_o way_n and_o the_o primitive_a church_n be_v not_o the_o church_n when_o for_o so_o many_o year_n it_o be_v confess_v that_o there_o be_v no_o general_n council_n and_o be_v not_o prove_v that_o there_o be_v a_o pope_n in_o their_o sense_n as_o indeed_o there_o be_v none_o so_o then_o the_o church_n universal_a be_v not_o the_o way_n universal_o so_o direct_v that_o fool_n can_v err_v for_o in_o all_o time_n there_o be_v not_o the_o universal_a church_n so_o represent_v nor_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o represent_a church_n so_o confirm_v because_o there_o be_v no_o pope_n and_o therefore_o if_o yet_o the_o church_n have_v another_o way_n then_o we_o have_v more_o reason_n to_o go_v that_o way_n than_o the_o way_n which_o lead_v to_o rome_n and_o from_o rome_n we_o know_v not_o whither_o but_o to_o darkness_n and_o those_o that_o follow_v this_o way_n be_v not_o wise_a by_o follow_v it_o for_o they_o be_v not_o wise_a in_o follow_v it_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d as_o hierocles_n say_v well_o both_o these_o thing_n be_v good_a to_o know_v that_o we_o do_v not_o know_v and_o to_o know_v what_o we_o do_v not_o know_v and_o sure_o if_o we_o shall_v go_v their_o blind_a way_n we_o shall_v neither_o know_v what_o wise_a man_n know_v nor_o know_v neither_o that_o we_o be_v ignorant_a therefore_o catarinus_n and_o marinarus_n take_v another_o way_n to_o assert_v certainty_n of_o grace_n namely_o by_o scripture_n as_o we_o have_v it_o in_o the_o history_n of_o the_o trent_n council_n wherein_o they_o shake_v the_o adversary_n of_o the_o opinion_n and_o bring_v they_o to_o some_o moderation_n and_o this_o example_n of_o they_o in_o follow_v the_o scripture_n may_v if_o we_o be_v doubtful_a of_o our_o cause_n yet_o encourage_v we_o to_o give_v check_n to_o that_o which_o follow_v the_o scripture_n as_o some_o may_v conceive_v for_o you_o dare_v not_o defend_v it_o be_v not_o this_o way_n ans_fw-fr all_o conceive_v that_o it_o be_v the_o way_n but_o your_o church_n yea_o all_o your_o church_n be_v not_o for_o this_o church_n way_n beside_o those_o name_v the_o arch-bishop_n of_o collen_n catarinus_n marinarus_n how_o many_o even_a in_o the_o face_n of_o the_o trent_n council_n have_v urge_v scripture_n against_o all_o other_o argument_n the_o ancient_a father_n make_v the_o scripture_n their_o way_n and_o rule_v and_o therefore_o their_o authority_n be_v not_o answer_v to_o by_o my_o antagonist_n for_o that_o they_o be_v unanswerable_a therefore_o we_o dare_v and_o do_v defend_v it_o for_o it_o will_v defend_v we_o in_o the_o do_n of_o it_o but_o this_o campian_n brag_v of_o our_o diffidence_n we_o return_v as_o he_o do_v who_o be_v to_o be_v put_v to_o death_n as_o tacitus_n relate_v it_o when_o the_o executioner_n bid_v he_o bear_v it_o brave_o he_o reply_v utinam_fw-la tu_fw-la tam_fw-la fortiter_fw-la fery_n so_o i_o will_v my_o adversary_n have_v as_o strong_o oppose_v as_o we_o be_v in_o hope_n to_o answer_v but_o it_o be_v better_o for_o they_o to_o have_v either_o less_o confidence_n or_o to_o add_v more_o strength_n as_o archidamus_n say_v to_o his_o son_n after_o a_o unsuccesse_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d so_o let_v they_o give_v strong_a argument_n or_o quit_v the_o cause_n let_v we_o see_v his_o reason_n for_o
particular_o in_o what_o point_n we_o have_v divide_v from_o all_o church_n indeed_o it_o be_v the_o safe_a way_n not_o to_o come_v to_o particular_n for_o fear_v of_o discovery_n in_o generalibus_fw-la latet_fw-la totâ—s_fw-la but_o let_v we_o come_v up_o close_o to_o he_o either_o the_o father_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n be_v on_o my_o adversary_n side_n in_o the_o point_n of_o difference_n or_o we_o or_o have_v not_o express_v themselves_o sufficient_o on_o either_o part_n but_o the_o father_n of_o the_o primitive_a time_n be_v not_o on_o my_o adversary_n side_n for_o there_o be_v none_o of_o those_o point_n which_o we_o have_v name_v hold_v by_o they_o and_o my_o adversary_n do_v know_v that_o some_o of_o we_o have_v confront_v campion_n challenge_n about_o the_o father_n with_o another_o challenge_n to_o the_o romanist_n to_o show_v so_o much_o as_o one_o father_n one_o doctor_n in_o the_o primitive_a time_n that_o have_v express_v himself_o for_o they_o in_o the_o point_n of_o difference_n then_o if_o they_o have_v express_v themselves_o and_o if_o not_o we_o have_v not_o oppose_v they_o they_o be_v on_o our_o side_n because_o we_o be_v upon_o contradiction_n thus_o we_o see_v what_o be_v become_v of_o his_o unanswerable_a argument_n we_o see_v that_o we_o can_v differ_v from_o they_o without_o opposition_n to_o the_o catholic_n church_n better_a than_o they_o can_v differ_v from_o we_o without_o opposition_n to_o the_o catholic_n church_n because_o we_o in_o our_o difference_n from_o they_o have_v keep_v the_o catholic_n faith_n which_o they_o have_v warp_a from_o and_o so_o that_o which_o be_v leave_v behind_o in_o the_o number_n will_v never_o come_v up_o to_o fight_v we_o to_o any_o purpose_n for_o as_o for_o the_o reformer_n oppose_v the_o church_n because_o they_o censure_v that_o which_o be_v propose_v by_o the_o papist_n as_o opposite_a to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n we_o take_v our_o reformation_n from_o scripture_n and_o also_o we_o say_v it_o be_v not_o necessary_a in_o point_n of_o difference_n to_o conclude_v that_o what_o be_v by_o they_o urge_v be_v opposite_a to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n for_o it_o be_v enough_o to_o we_o to_o differ_v upon_o the_o negative_a to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n since_o our_o principle_n be_v that_o the_o scripture_n be_v a_o sufficient_a rule_n of_o faith_n and_o practice_n and_o therefore_o though_o a_o point_n propose_v do_v not_o oppose_v scripture_n as_o not_o be_v contradictory_n yet_o we_o reject_v it_o from_o be_v any_o article_n of_o faith_n because_o it_o be_v not_o contain_v in_o scripture_n and_o thus_o the_o negative_a authority_n of_o scripture_n do_v sufficient_o conclude_v against_o any_o other_o article_n of_o faith_n than_o what_o be_v in_o it_o and_o as_o for_o our_o not_o name_v in_o this_o whole_a age_n one_o age_n in_o this_o last_o thousand_o year_n wherein_o christ_n have_v a_o true_o catholic_n church_n agree_v with_o you_o in_o those_o many_o and_o most_o important_a point_n wherein_o your_o reformer_n tax_v we_o to_o have_v oppose_v the_o scripture_n this_o in_o effect_n have_v be_v answer_v before_o and_o have_v not_o any_o thing_n material_o new_a but_o first_o this_o be_v always_o a_o unreasonable_a demand_n which_o go_v upon_o a_o certain_a presumption_n of_o the_o romanist_n that_o the_o true_a church_n must_v be_v always_o conspicuous_o visible_a which_o be_v to_o be_v deny_v and_o therefore_o it_o do_v not_o follow_v that_o because_o we_o can_v name_v any_o church_n agree_v with_o we_o therefore_o there_o be_v none_o second_o if_o he_o mean_v by_o a_o true_o catholic_n church_n one_o particular_a church_n of_o the_o catholic_n those_o who_o we_o have_v name_v do_v not_o agree_v with_o they_o in_o the_o most_o important_a point_n of_o difference_n as_o not_o in_o point_n of_o discipline_n nay_o they_o have_v differ_v from_o they_o and_o therefore_o have_v agree_v with_o we_o in_o the_o question_n betwixt_o we_o and_o beside_o if_o they_o mean_v a_o true_o catholic_n church_n in_o this_o sense_n as_o a_o part_n of_o the_o whole_a then_o a_o particular_a church_n it_o seem_v may_v be_v a_o catholic_n and_o a_o true_o catholic_n church_n and_o therefore_o have_v they_o no_o reason_n to_o vaunt_v of_o the_o title_n of_o catholic_n give_v by_o the_o ancient_n to_o the_o church_n or_o bishop_n of_o rome_n because_o other_o church_n may_v also_o be_v catholic_n and_o why_o then_o shall_v the_o pope_n usurp_v the_o title_n of_o universal_a bishop_n over_o a_o particular_a church_n and_o if_o he_o mean_v by_o a_o true_o catholic_n church_n the_o catholic_n church_n proper_o than_o he_o do_v imply_v a_o contradiction_n that_o the_o catholic_n church_n which_o include_v all_o age_n shall_v be_v limit_v to_o a_o thousand_o year_n but_o three_o he_o do_v wise_o stint_v the_o question_n for_o this_o thousand_o year_n since_o he_o can_v not_o well_o go_v further_o for_o the_o six_o hundred_o year_n before_o do_v show_v no_o disagreement_n to_o we_o in_o the_o most_o important_a point_n of_o difference_n and_o let_v they_o assure_v themselves_o that_o our_o agreement_n with_o the_o six_o hundred_o of_o the_o primitive_a church_n be_v more_o available_a for_o our_o defence_n than_o the_o suppose_a disagreement_n with_o the_o thousand_o year_n after_o be_v available_a to_o the_o accusation_n four_o suppose_v no_o one_o church_n can_v be_v name_v correspond_v with_o we_o in_o most_o important_a point_n for_o this_o thousand_o year_n yet_o even_o in_o every_o age_n of_o the_o thousand_o year_n there_o may_v be_v and_o some_o have_v name_v several_a person_n which_o have_v hold_v the_o material_a point_n of_o difference_n betwixt_o we_o and_o several_a of_o the_o roman_a communion_n have_v bear_v testimony_n to_o the_o truth_n yea_o even_o in_o the_o trent_n council_n in_o so_o much_o that_o they_o have_v be_v complain_v of_o for_o bend_v to_o protestâ—ntisme_n as_o may_v be_v see_v through_o the_o history_n of_o that_o council_n five_o what_o tyranny_n be_v this_o to_o stifle_v and_o smother_v by_o their_o domination_n all_o other_o church_n as_o much_o as_o they_o can_v which_o be_v not_o of_o their_o faith_n and_o then_o challenge_v we_o to_o show_v what_o church_n agree_v with_o we_o six_o omne_fw-la reducitur_fw-la ad_fw-la principium_fw-la as_o aquinas_n rule_n be_v than_o we_o be_v to_o take_v a_o true_a church_n from_o trial_n of_o scripture_n and_o we_o put_v it_o to_o this_o issue_n all_o catholic_n church_n agree_v with_o scripture_n in_o the_o most_o important_a point_n of_o difference_n we_o agree_v with_o scripture_n or_o scripture_n with_o we_o in_o these_o point_n therefore_o we_o agree_v with_o all_o catholic_n church_n in_o these_o point_n because_o we_o agree_v in_o tertio_fw-la therefore_o if_o the_o romanist_n differ_v let_v they_o look_v to_o it_o we_o differ_v from_o none_o but_o they_o in_o those_o point_n and_o that_o we_o differ_v from_o they_o be_v their_o fault_n and_o our_o security_n if_o they_o have_v not_o leave_v the_o catholic_n to_o be_v a_o singular_a plenipotentiarie_n we_o have_v not_o left_a communion_n with_o they_o as_o a_o part_n of_o the_o whole_a or_o rather_o they_o have_v not_o leave_v our_o communion_n delictum_fw-la ambulat_fw-la cum_fw-la capite_fw-la and_o as_o for_o that_o he_o say_v and_o as_o for_o external_a division_n you_o can_v name_v the_o church_n upon_o earth_n from_o which_o you_o do_v not_o divide_v yourselves_o at_o your_o reformation_n we_o return_v it_o with_o the_o necessary_a change_n nor_o can_v they_o at_o their_o deformation_n name_n the_o church_n upon_o earth_n from_o which_o they_o do_v not_o divide_v themselves_o and_o i_o challenge_v they_o to_o tell_v i_o if_o they_o can_v to_o what_o church_n on_o earth_n then_o visible_a they_o do_v join_v themselves_o or_o who_o acknowledge_v to_o be_v of_o their_o communion_n but_o first_o as_o for_o external_a communion_n we_o say_v moreover_o first_o we_o divide_v not_o first_o communion_n but_o the_o pope_n when_o in_o the_o time_n of_o queen_n elizabeth_n he_o send_v a_o bill_n to_o prohibit_v his_o subject_n communion_n with_o we_o 2._o we_o divide_v not_o from_o their_o church_n simple_o but_o so_o as_o corrupt_v and_o engage_v we_o upon_o communion_n with_o they_o to_o error_n and_o bad_a practice_n we_o leave_v the_o house_n as_o infect_v with_o a_o mind_n of_o return_v when_o it_o shall_v be_v clear_a and_o safe_a for_o we_o three_o as_o before_o we_o divide_v not_o from_o the_o primitive_a time_n in_o point_n of_o doctrine_n or_o discipline_n now_o then_o suppose_v there_o be_v not_o at_o the_o reformation_n any_o other_o church_n unto_o which_o we_o may_v join_v which_o be_v more_o agreeable_a to_o the_o duty_n and_o honour_n of_o a_o church_n to_o join_v with_o a_o corrupt_a church_n in_o doctrine_n and_o practice_n or_o to_o leave_v their_o communion_n external_a
those_o who_o have_v not_o bishop_n some_o of_o they_o will_v have_v they_o if_o it_o be_v in_o their_o power_n as_o bogerman_n say_v in_o the_o council_n of_o dort_n when_o that_o government_n be_v commend_v to_o he_o domine_fw-la nos_fw-la non_fw-la sumus_fw-la adeo_fw-la felices_fw-la and_o as_o for_o those_o who_o be_v ordain_v without_o bishop_n be_v this_o our_o case_n we_o may_v be_v as_o sure_o they_o be_v true_a minister_n as_o the_o papist_n can_v assure_v themselves_o that_o they_o have_v true_a priest_n in_o respect_n of_o the_o uncertainty_n they_o be_v under_o of_o the_o due_a intention_n of_o the_o priest_n in_o baptism_n and_o of_o the_o bishop_n in_o ordination_n as_o to_o deacon_n they_o may_v have_v be_v leave_v out_o of_o the_o rank_n with_o priest_n as_o to_o true_a sacrament_n for_o it_o will_v not_o appear_v that_o deacon_n be_v appoint_v jure_fw-la divino_fw-la to_o assist_v the_o minister_n in_o the_o sacrament_n and_o if_o so_o yet_o not_o to_o be_v necessary_a to_o true_a sacrament_n that_o they_o do_v assist_v otherwise_o no_o true_a sacrament_n what_o shall_v this_o also_o with_o the_o roman_n go_v into_o the_o account_n of_o article_n of_o faith_n and_o shall_v this_o be_v as_o necessary_a to_o be_v believe_v as_o that_o jesus_n be_v the_o christ_n sacrament_n thing_n so_o necessary_a to_o the_o salvation_n of_o all_o man_n this_o we_o have_v speak_v to_o before_o and_o it_o come_v in_o here_o under_o a_o simple_a diction_n and_o not_o positive_o as_o it_o may_v be_v interptete_v affirm_v or_o if_o so_o necessary_a be_v to_o be_v take_v signanter_n then_o be_v it_o more_o easy_o deny_v as_o to_o all_o man_n our_o former_a distinction_n be_v yet_o good_a necessary_a by_o necessity_n of_o precept_n not_o by_o necessity_n of_o mean_v neither_o be_v the_o other_o sacrament_n so_o necessary_a as_o that_o and_o yet_o be_v they_o put_v together_o upon_o equal_a necessity_n the_o sacrament_n bound_v we_o not_o god_n to_o work_v only_o by_o they_o and_o also_o be_v they_o administer_v as_o due_o with_o we_o as_o elsewhere_o then_o he_o bring_v in_o a_o syllogism_n against_o we_o out_o of_o my_o own_o word_n what_o be_v not_o plain_o deliver_v in_o scripture_n be_v thereby_o signify_v not_o to_o be_v necessary_a but_o it_o be_v not_o plain_o deliver_v in_o scripture_n that_o the_o church_n shall_v be_v govern_v by_o bishop_n with_o such_o and_o such_o authority_n thus_o he_o will_v bring_v in_o some_o of_o those_o who_o differ_v from_o they_o and_o we_o in_o this_o point_n dispute_v against_o bishop_n but_o how_o will_v he_o conclude_v therefore_o not_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n unless_o he_o conclude_v thus_o it_o do_v not_o contradict_v we_o in_o our_o debate_n and_o if_o he_o do_v conclude_v so_o he_o conclude_v beside_o their_o intention_n for_o they_o will_v conclude_v no_o more_o than_o that_o they_o be_v not_o necessary_a to_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n because_o it_o be_v not_o hold_v by_o other_o that_o this_o government_n with_o such_o and_o such_o authority_n be_v simple_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n but_o to_o the_o assumption_n we_o say_v dato_fw-la that_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n by_o bishop_n with_o such_o and_o such_o power_n be_v not_o plain_o set_v down_o in_o scripture_n yet_o let_v they_o show_v as_o much_o out_o of_o scripture_n with_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n for_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n his_o be_v universal_a bishop_n as_o we_o can_v show_v out_o of_o scripture_n for_o bishop_n with_o some_o authority_n superior_a to_o presbyter_n and_o i_o shall_v think_v better_o of_o their_o cause_n and_o therefore_o let_v they_o remember_v parvi_fw-la sunt_fw-la foris_fw-la arma_fw-la nisi_fw-la est_fw-la consilium_fw-la domi_fw-la let_v they_o make_v sure_a at_o home_n before_o they_o combat_v we_o with_o our_o own_o contention_n for_o second_o as_o for_o such_o and_o such_o authority_n if_o he_o take_v it_o for_o the_o mathematical_a point_n and_o indivisible_a degree_n which_o the_o bishop_n must_v have_v of_o authority_n over_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o clergy_n who_o be_v there_o that_o so_o contend_v it_o but_o the_o roman_a some_o superiority_n in_o the_o latitude_n may_v be_v able_a to_o conserve_v the_o form_n and_o this_o be_v more_o easy_o provable_a out_o of_o scripture_n with_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n but_o three_o since_o he_o have_v bring_v the_o antepiscoparians_n upon_o the_o stage_n to_o make_v sport_n for_o they_o what_o will_v the_o pontifician_n say_v if_o this_o argument_n be_v in_o earnest_n bring_v against_o they_o whatsoever_o be_v necessary_a be_v plain_o set_v down_o in_o scripture_n government_n by_o bishop_n with_o such_o and_o such_o authority_n be_v not_o plain_o set_v down_o in_o scripture_n therefore_o not_o necessary_a the_o major_a proposition_n be_v yet_o true_a and_o good_a against_o all_o his_o battery_n the_o minor_a be_v to_o have_v their_o advice_n whether_o they_o will_v affirm_v it_o or_o deny_v it_o let_v they_o speak_v categorical_o be_v it_o plain_o set_v down_o or_o not_o if_o it_o be_v plain_o set_v down_o than_o this_o instance_n be_v against_o they_o if_o it_o be_v not_o plain_o set_v down_o than_o they_o have_v nothing_o plain_o set_v down_o for_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n upon_o the_o former_a rule_n if_o there_o be_v no_o bishop_n plain_o set_v down_o than_o not_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n this_o he_o get_v by_o our_o contention_n as_o for_o the_o form_n of_o ordain_v priest_n or_o presbyter_n it_o be_v sufficient_o set_v down_o and_o we_o have_v it_o practise_v with_o we_o without_o the_o patin_n and_o the_o chalice_n and_o that_o none_o but_o those_o who_o be_v priest_n formal_o or_o eminent_o as_o be_v more_o shall_v bless_v the_o bread_n and_o consecrate_v the_o sacrament_n this_o be_v clear_o enough_o set_v down_o and_o what_o kind_n of_o bread_n for_o the_o sacrament_n as_o much_o as_o be_v necessary_a be_v set_v down_o the_o pontifician_n have_v no_o reason_n if_o he_o consider_v himself_o to_o urge_v all_o particularity_n about_o the_o sacrament_n since_o he_o account_v they_o so_o necessary_a will_v god_n pinch_v that_o which_o be_v necessary_a under_o so_o many_o contingence_n which_o he_o do_v not_o ordinary_o provide_v against_o therefore_o either_o they_o be_v not_o necessary_a and_o then_o why_o be_v they_o insist_v in_o or_o if_o necessary_a yet_o not_o in_o all_o the_o several_a circumstance_n for_o then_o under_o how_o many_o accidentality_n shall_v salvation_n be_v include_v he_o say_v then_o he_o can_v add_v many_o more_o particular_n to_o the_o former_a kind_n no_o less_o necessary_a to_o be_v decide_v if_o no_o more_o necessary_a it_o be_v not_o like_a to_o trouble_v we_o or_o if_o necessary_a they_o shall_v be_v decidable_a by_o plain_a scripture_n yes_o if_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n and_o then_o your_o doctor_n can_v not_o jar_v about_o they_o this_o i_o deny_v and_o he_o have_v better_o have_v take_v our_o grant_n that_o those_o of_o this_o sort_n be_v not_o plain_o set_v down_o in_o scripture_n unless_o he_o have_v prove_v it_o more_o strong_o than_o by_o our_o difference_n it_o be_v possible_a to_o differ_v in_o plain_a thing_n but_o we_o need_v not_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d st._n mark_v the_o 6._o 53._o and_o again_o this_o be_v retort_v many_o thing_n may_v be_v name_v which_o be_v in_o the_o opinion_n of_o some_o pontifician_n no_o less_o necessary_a to_o be_v decide_v than_o the_o point_n of_o original_a sin_n the_o immaculate_a conception_n of_o the_o virgin_n the_o point_n of_o residence_n and_o of_o bishop_n whether_o by_o divine_a right_n and_o yet_o be_v they_o not_o determine_v in_o the_o trent_n council_n no_o nor_o those_o neither_o positive_o but_o it_o may_v be_v they_o be_v not_o necessary_a for_o if_o necessary_a they_o shall_v be_v decidable_a by_o plain_a decree_n of_o council_n and_o then_o the_o doctor_n can_v not_o jar_v about_o they_o but_o to_o give_v a_o further_a check_n to_o this_o unreasonable_a exact_v of_o such_o particularity_n to_o be_v plain_o decide_v by_o scripture_n let_v they_o consider_v general_o how_o little_a be_v affirmative_o define_v and_o clear_o in_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n yea_o for_o further_a instance_n be_v these_o several_n which_o he_o have_v point_v at_o more_o necessary_a to_o be_v decide_v than_o the_o point_n of_o indulgence_n which_o be_v the_o main_a point_n which_o occasion_v the_o division_n of_o the_o council_n consequent_o and_o yet_o be_v not_o this_o sufficient_o handle_v yea_o as_o the_o author_n of_o the_o history_n say_v the_o protestant_n complain_v that_o the_o synod_n have_v pass_v it_o over_o without_o clear_v any_o doubt_n or_o decide_v any_o controversy_n if_o they_o can_v not_o or_o will_v not_o how_o shall_v we_o be_v bind_v under_o pain_n of_o damnation_n to_o take_v
these_o be_v plain_o enough_o set_v down_o in_o scripture_n if_o the_o roman_a church_n have_v not_o disturb_v the_o clear_a water_n for_o the_o chief_a fisher_n and_o if_o not_o the_o church_n by_o positive_a law_n can_v appoint_v that_o which_o be_v absolute_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n all_o thing_n that_o be_v of_o divine_a right_n be_v not_o simple_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n to_o be_v sure_a than_o what_o be_v not_o of_o divine_a but_o positive_a right_n as_o the_o roman_n have_v also_o distinguish_v be_v not_o simple_o necessary_a and_o therefore_o whereas_o he_o say_v there_o be_v endless_a controversy_n about_o they_o i_o be_o of_o his_o opinion_n in_o my_o sense_n of_o the_o word_n for_o they_o be_v to_o no_o end_n among_o those_o who_o have_v a_o sober_a mind_n to_o be_v direct_v in_o they_o by_o scripture_n at_o least_o they_o be_v to_o no_o end_n as_o in_o order_n to_o our_o dispute_n because_o they_o come_v not_o within_o compass_n of_o absolute_a necessity_n to_o salvation_n it_o may_v be_v necessary_a to_o know_v how_o these_o be_v to_o be_v order_v that_o they_o may_v be_v order_v right_o but_o this_o be_v not_o absolute_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n yea_o again_o if_o these_o thing_n be_v leave_v to_o the_o church_n we_o must_v take_v the_o order_n before_o the_o council_n otherwise_o the_o church_n before_o the_o time_n of_o council_n have_v want_v that_o which_o be_v necessary_a and_o therefore_o indeed_o be_v they_o not_o necessary_a or_o else_o god_n have_v be_v want_v to_o they_o in_o necessary_n a_o three_o sort_n of_o thing_n necessary_a not_o plain_o set_v down_o as_o he_o think_v we_o have_v in_o his_o four_o number_n 4._o num_fw-la 4._o all_o be_v oblige_v to_o serve_v god_n in_o a_o true_a church_n etc._n etc._n this_o be_v ambiguous_o deliver_v either_o as_o in_o sensu_fw-la composito_fw-la be_v in_o a_o true_a church_n they_o be_v oblige_v to_o serve_v god_n in_o it_o or_o be_v bind_v to_o find_v out_o the_o true_a church_n and_o then_o to_o serve_v god_n in_o it_o now_o though_o both_o belong_v to_o our_o duty_n yet_o both_o be_v not_o equal_o necessary_a because_o it_o be_v possible_a in_o that_o which_o be_v not_o a_o true_a church_n if_o so_o many_o thing_n be_v necessary_a to_o a_o true_a church_n as_o they_o will_v have_v salvation_n may_v be_v have_v by_o simple_a ignorance_n and_o gerall_a repentance_n and_o i_o hope_v some_o be_v save_v before_o a_o church_n with_o all_o the_o integrants_n of_o a_o true_a church_n be_v frame_v but_o in_o a_o true_a church_n no_o man_n can_v be_v save_v without_o serve_v of_o god_n the_o church_n of_o the_o donatist_n be_v not_o account_v by_o st._n austin_n nor_o my_o adversary_n a_o true_a church_n yet_o st._n austin_n do_v not_o deny_v but_o some_o may_v be_v save_v in_o it_o now_o this_o be_v understand_v by_o my_o adversary_n in_o the_o latter_a way_n namely_o that_o every_o one_o be_v bind_v to_o find_v out_o the_o true_a church_n and_o to_o serve_v god_n in_o it_o for_o so_o it_o follow_v have_v a_o lawful_a succession_n of_o true_a pastor_n true_o ordain_v themselves_o and_o true_o ordain_v the_o priest_n who_o must_v be_v know_v to_o administer_v true_a sacrament_n in_o their_o true_a matter_n and_o form_n preach_v also_o the_o word_n of_o god_n by_o lawful_a mission_n ans_fw-fr now_o i_o think_v the_o roman_n with_o their_o mountain_n shall_v have_v relation_n to_o montanus_n who_o fancy_v that_o the_o paraclet_n do_v by_o privilege_n come_v into_o he_o to_o make_v up_o what_o be_v want_v to_o salvation_n by_o inspiration_n for_o we_o must_v have_v infallible_a note_n of_o a_o church_n which_o the_o word_n of_o god_n in_o scripture_n have_v not_o appoint_v to_o we_o and_o we_o must_v have_v thing_n necessary_a to_o salvation_n which_o the_o scripture_n have_v not_o make_v necessary_a yet_o they_o must_v be_v necessary_a to_o salvation_n for_o their_o use_n certain_o as_o he_o give_v well_o the_o cognisance_n of_o a_o good_a man_n so_o may_v we_o also_o make_v use_n of_o it_o for_o a_o good_a christian_a 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d we_o ought_v not_o to_o judge_v honest_a man_n by_o their_o performance_n but_o by_o their_o purpose_n so_o we_o ought_v to_o esteem_v good_a christian_n not_o by_o their_o happiness_n to_o find_v but_o by_o their_o purpose_n to_o find_v out_o the_o true_a church_n which_o can_v reasonable_o be_v do_v by_o a_o lawful_a sucession_n first_o because_o this_o be_v accidental_a not_o as_o to_o salvation_n only_o but_o as_o to_o a_o true_a church_n and_o therefore_o can_v be_v no_o certain_a and_o universal_a rule_n for_o how_o come_v the_o first_o church_n which_o be_v original_a to_o the_o descendant_n to_o be_v a_o true_a church_n yea_o second_o how_o will_v the_o true_a church_n be_v a_o true_a church_n according_a to_o their_o principle_n in_o the_o time_n of_o antichrist_n when_o there_o be_v not_o like_a to_o be_v according_a to_o their_o profession_n almost_o any_o face_n of_o a_o church_n how_o shall_v it_o then_o be_v discern_v by_o a_o lawful_a succession_n of_o pastor_n three_o this_o can_v be_v characteristical_a of_o the_o roman_a church_n which_o they_o will_v have_v to_o be_v the_o only_a true_a church_n because_o the_o greek_a church_n may_v challenge_v this_o privilege_n also_o yea_o fourthly_a it_o be_v possible_a that_o a_o false_a church_n may_v so_o fair_o plead_v a_o lawful_a succession_n as_o the_o church_n of_o the_o donatist_n who_o have_v also_o bishop_n as_o to_o those_o who_o shall_v come_v a_o long_a while_n after_o they_o that_o it_o can_v not_o be_v easy_o discern_v by_o common_a people_n and_o therefore_o this_o be_v not_o the_o way_n so_o plain_a and_o direct_a as_o that_o fool_n can_v err_v yea_o five_o we_o be_v not_o to_o discern_v true_a doctrine_n by_o the_o person_n but_o the_o person_n by_o the_o doctrine_n according_a to_o tertullian_n as_o before_o and_o therefore_o if_o true_a doctrine_n be_v not_o prove_v by_o succession_n as_o it_o can_v be_v because_o than_o it_o shall_v be_v measure_v by_o the_o person_n we_o can_v conclude_v a_o true_a church_n by_o the_o succession_n since_o all_o sober_a man_n will_v rather_o argue_v thus_o that_o be_v a_o true_a church_n which_o profess_v true_a doctrine_n than_o that_o church_n profess_v true_a doctrine_n because_o it_o have_v a_o true_a succession_n of_o pastor_n yea_o sixthly_a do_v my_o adversary_n mean_v what_o he_o say_v of_o a_o particular_a church_n or_o of_o the_o universal_a church_n not_o of_o a_o particular_a church_n sure_a for_o that_o can_v be_v the_o way_n and_o judge_n of_o all_o christian_n as_o he_o intend_v but_o then_o of_o the_o universal_a catholic_n church_n well_o then_o he_o must_v mean_v that_o that_o be_v the_o true_a catholic_n church_n which_o have_v a_o lawful_a succession_n of_o pastor_n namely_o of_o bishop_n of_o rome_n who_o be_v by_o they_o call_v signant_o the_o pastor_n of_o the_o church_n this_o must_v be_v his_o meaning_n in_o reason_n because_o the_o lawful_a succession_n of_o pastor_n in_o particular_a church_n be_v by_o my_o adversary_n necessary_a for_o themselves_o but_o not_o for_o the_o catholic_n church_n which_o can_v consist_v without_o those_o part_n which_o be_v not_o true_a and_o therefore_o no_o part_n and_o this_o be_v like_a to_o be_v his_o meaning_n by_o his_o opinion_n so_o then_o the_o roman_a church_n he_o will_v have_v here_o by_o the_o premise_n to_o be_v the_o true_a church_n as_o be_v suppose_v to_o have_v a_o lawful_a succession_n of_o pastor_n namely_o bishop_n of_o rome_n but_o how_o shall_v we_o give_v up_o ourselves_o in_o absolute_a obedience_n to_o the_o guidance_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n if_o this_o be_v a_o infallible_a and_o constitutive_a mark_n of_o the_o true_a church_n that_o it_o have_v a_o lawful_a succession_n of_o pastor_n for_o no_o man_n can_v have_v so_o much_o as_o a_o moral_a certitude_n that_o there_o have_v be_v in_o rome_n from_o st._n peter_n a_o interrupt_v lawful_a succession_n of_o pastor_n much_o less_o can_v he_o have_v a_o divine_a persuasion_n thereof_o for_o first_o it_o can_v never_o be_v prove_v by_o scripture_n that_o st._n peter_n be_v at_o rome_n i_o do_v not_o deny_v it_o that_o he_o be_v ever_o there_o but_o it_o be_v no_o object_n of_o faith_n and_o the_o romanist_n be_v shrewd_o put_v to_o it_o for_o a_o proof_n when_o to_o prove_v it_o they_o will_v interpret_v babylon_n from_o which_o st._n peter_n write_v to_o be_v rome_n but_o than_o second_o st._n peter_n shall_v rather_o have_v derive_v the_o privilege_n of_o universal_a jurisdiction_n and_o infallible_a direction_n to_o antioch_n as_o be_v abserve_v where_o he_o sit_v first_o seven_o year_n as_o caranza_n set_v it_o down_o and_o where_o christian_n have_v their_o name_n
down_o in_o scripture_n for_o though_o we_o have_v not_o the_o formal_a and_o material_a number_n of_o thing_n distinct_o to_o be_v believe_v yet_o all_o that_o be_v distinct_o to_o be_v believe_v may_v be_v plain_o set_v down_o there_o and_o therefore_o if_o we_o believe_v they_o we_o believe_v sufficient_o therefore_o if_o he_o take_v the_o term_n distinct_o in_o this_o sense_n that_o we_o must_v necessary_o know_v that_o this_o be_v one_o of_o the_o point_n necessary_a to_o be_v believe_v we_o deny_v it_o of_o every_o point_n that_o be_v necessary_a although_o we_o may_v say_v so_o of_o some_o as_o that_o jesus_n be_v the_o christ_n because_o in_o scripture_n salvation_n be_v deny_v any_o other_o way_n as_o acts._n 4.12_o if_o he_o take_v the_o term_n as_o signify_v that_o some_o thing_n be_v actual_o and_o explicit_o to_o be_v believe_v we_o grant_v it_o but_o the_o consequence_n so_o be_v not_o valid_a second_o this_o return_n upon_o they_o and_o therefore_o shall_v they_o not_o have_v move_v this_o stone_n for_o where_o have_v they_o set_v down_o a_o list_n of_o all_o those_o thing_n which_o by_o every_o of_o they_o be_v necessary_a to_o be_v believe_v distinct_o in_o contradistinction_n to_o their_o implicit_a faith_n and_o if_o they_o say_v that_o they_o be_v ready_a distinct_o to_o believe_v whatsoever_o be_v propose_v by_o the_o church_n so_o we_o say_v that_o we_o be_v also_o ready_a to_o believe_v whatsoever_o shall_v be_v sufficient_o propose_v out_o of_o scripture_n and_o sure_o we_o have_v as_o good_a cause_n for_o a_o implicit_a faith_n as_o to_o scripture_n as_o they_o have_v as_o to_o the_o church_n and_o if_o mr._n knot_n be_v judgement_n be_v the_o sense_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n there_o be_v but_o one_o fundamental_a point_n of_o they_o actual_o and_o distinct_o to_o be_v believe_v in_o which_o be_v comprise_v all_o point_n by_o we_o teach_v to_o be_v necessary_a to_o salvation_n in_o these_o word_n we_o be_v oblige_v under_o pain_n of_o damnation_n to_o believe_v whatsoever_o the_o catholic_n visible_a church_n of_o christ_n propose_v as_o reveal_v by_o almighty_a god_n if_o any_o be_v of_o another_o mind_n all_o catholic_n denounce_v he_o to_o be_v no_o catholic_n so_o he_o and_o therefore_o why_o do_v they_o urge_v a_o particular_a and_o inventory_n of_o all_o point_n distinct_o to_o be_v believe_v when_o they_o content_v themselves_o with_o one_o general_n if_o the_o church_n must_v be_v prove_v by_o scripture_n as_o former_o we_o have_v show_v and_o according_a to_o st._n austin_n than_o one_o general_a comprehensive_a point_n may_v more_o reasonable_o be_v sufficient_a for_o we_o and_o that_o be_v this_o we_o be_v oblige_v under_o pain_n of_o damnation_n to_o believe_v whatsoever_o plain_o appear_v to_o be_v reveal_v by_o almighty_a god_n in_o scripture_n but_o yet_o we_o do_v not_o content_v ourselves_o thus_o for_o we_o say_v all_o point_n necessary_a be_v distinct_o to_o be_v believe_v and_o they_o may_v distinct_o be_v believe_v because_o they_o be_v plain_o deliver_v more_o plain_o than_o the_o decree_n of_o council_n at_o least_o the_o trent_n council_n and_o he_o that_o say_v he_o be_v bind_v to_o believe_v all_o that_o be_v contain_v in_o scripture_n when_o clear_o propose_v to_o he_o as_o such_o by_o consequent_a be_v ready_a to_o embrace_v all_o point_n necessary_a because_o they_o be_v plain_o deliver_v therefore_o indeed_o be_v our_o opinion_n more_o agreeable_a to_o a_o distinct_a account_n of_o what_o be_v to_o be_v express_o believe_v than_o they_o because_o we_o make_v a_o distinction_n in_o point_n of_o credibility_n by_o the_o matter_n say_v that_o some_o thing_n be_v plain_o propose_v because_o necessary_a to_o be_v believe_v though_o all_o thing_n be_v necessary_a to_o be_v believe_v when_o plain_o propose_v the_o former_a sort_n whereof_o require_v absolute_a belief_n the_o latter_a conditionate_n to_o the_o competent_a appearance_n of_o they_o to_o be_v such_o as_o god_n have_v show_v to_o come_v from_o he_o by_o revelation_n he_o proceed_v every_o one_o be_v bind_v not_o to_o work_v upon_o the_o sunday_n every_o one_o be_v bind_v not_o to_o have_v two_o wife_n at_o one_o time_n not_o also_o to_o marry_v within_o such_o or_o such_o a_o degree_n of_o consanguinity_n where_o be_v all_o these_o thing_n plain_o set_v down_o in_o scripture_n ans_fw-fr some_o thing_n be_v neither_o de_fw-mi fide_fw-la nor_o de_fw-la verbo_fw-la fidei_fw-la as_o that_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n be_v the_o universal_a bishop_n of_o the_o church_n some_o thing_n be_v de_fw-fr verbo_fw-la fidei_fw-la yet_o not_o the_o fide_fw-la in_o propriety_n of_o phrase_n as_o necessary_a in_o the_o matter_n as_o namely_o historical_a truth_n as_o that_o jesus_n ride_v to_o jerusalem_n some_o thing_n be_v de_fw-fr verbo_fw-la fidei_fw-la and_o de_fw-la fide_fw-la also_o as_o that_o jesus_n be_v the_o christ_n that_o whosoever_o believe_v shall_v be_v save_v the_o question_n now_o betwixt_o we_o be_v of_o the_o last_o kind_n whether_o scripture_n with_o sufficient_a clearness_n set_v down_o all_o those_o thing_n which_o be_v de_fw-la fide_fw-la in_o this_o sense_n so_o that_o my_o adversary_n be_v to_o prove_v that_o these_o particular_n be_v so_o necessary_a to_o be_v believe_v that_o no_o man_n who_o do_v not_o believe_v they_o distinct_o can_v be_v save_v and_o while_o he_o say_v so_o that_o they_o be_v such_o and_o do_v not_o prove_v they_o we_o need_v say_v no_o more_o than_o that_o he_o do_v not_o prove_v they_o asserentis_fw-la est_fw-la probare_fw-la and_o i_o be_o not_o to_o answer_v unto_o word_n but_o argument_n yet_o second_o these_o be_v sufficient_o knowable_a by_o scripture_n the_o first_o by_o the_o equity_n of_o the_o four_o commandment_n and_o the_o intimation_n thereof_o in_o the_o new_a testament_n the_o second_o by_o god_n own_o institution_n in_o state_n of_o innocency_n and_o by_o the_o first_o ep._n to_o the_o cor._n 7.2_o but_o for_o fornication_n let_v every_o man_n have_v his_o own_o wife_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o yet_o if_o they_o will_v hold_v that_o this_o be_v one_o of_o the_o practic_a credibles_fw-fr in_o the_o foresay_a necessity_n they_o do_v endanger_v the_o condition_n of_o those_o jew_n who_o have_v more_o wife_n and_o also_o they_o will_v incur_v the_o danger_n of_o be_v engage_v to_o answer_v for_o that_o pope_n who_o as_o before_o give_v liberty_n to_o take_v another_o wife_n and_o for_o the_o three_o it_o be_v sufficient_o declare_v as_o to_o the_o necessity_n of_o knowledge_n and_o practice_n in_o levit._n 18._o and_o if_o to_o the_o knowledge_n what_o be_v to_o be_v do_v in_o these_o we_o be_v so_o strict_o oblige_v by_o the_o law_n of_o god_n as_o that_o if_o we_o miss_v a_o degree_n we_o be_v damn_v it_o must_v also_o be_v make_v as_o clear_v as_o whatsoever_o be_v necessary_a that_o the_o law_n of_o god_n have_v give_v unto_o the_o pope_n a_o faculty_n and_o power_n of_o dispense_n as_o to_o marriage_n within_o those_o degree_n if_o the_o law_n of_o god_n have_v not_o make_v these_o case_n of_o marriage_n as_o plain_a as_o be_v necessary_a for_o those_o who_o be_v not_o so_o studious_a to_o know_v the_o utmost_a of_o their_o liberty_n as_o to_o resolve_v a_o negative_a of_o practice_n upon_o any_o appearance_n to_o the_o contrary_a than_o the_o law_n of_o god_n must_v as_o clear_o as_o to_o exclude_v doubt_n show_v unto_o we_o that_o infallible_a directory_n whereby_o we_o may_v come_v exact_o to_o the_o knowledge_n of_o what_o be_v to_o be_v do_v herein_o and_o if_o this_o can_v be_v make_v to_o appear_v why_o be_v it_o not_o 5._o num._n 5._o other_o endless_a difficulty_n be_v superad_v by_o those_o other_o word_n plain_o set_v down_o and_o first_o to_o prove_v a_o point_n plain_o set_v down_o in_o scripture_n so_o that_o i_o infallible_o know_v the_o undoubted_a true_a sense_n of_o it_o i_o must_v first_o know_v such_o a_o book_n to_o be_v the_o true_a and_o undoubted_a word_n of_o god_n which_o as_o i_o shall_v show_v numb_a 20._o can_v be_v know_v by_o scripture_n this_o we_o have_v take_v away_o before_o so_o far_o as_o it_o concern_v the_o present_a dispute_n and_o we_o be_v like_a to_o meet_v with_o it_o again_o it_o seem_v and_o no_o sober_a christian_n before_o he_o have_v prove_v a_o infallible_a propounder_n of_o every_o truth_n to_o be_v believe_v will_v have_v raise_v this_o scruple_n but_o intellectus_fw-la currit_fw-la cum_fw-la praxi_fw-la as_o the_o romanist_n say_v religion_n must_v be_v accommodate_v for_o their_o use_n to_o this_o more_o upon_o the_o place_n it_o can_v be_v know_v at_o least_o by_o those_o who_o can_v true_o swear_v that_o they_o be_v no_o more_o able_a by_o the_o read_n of_o the_o book_n of_o number_n for_o example_n to_o discover_v in_o it_o any_o divine_a light_n
spare_v for_o as_o we_o do_v not_o argue_v in_o divinity_n from_o text_n mystical_o deliver_v unless_o the_o mysticalnesse_n be_v render_v in_o scripture_n so_o we_o do_v not_o account_v those_o text_n which_o be_v ambiguous_a to_o be_v such_o as_o to_o contain_v point_n necessary_a to_o salvation_n therefore_o be_v my_o adversary_n very_o wide_o in_o this_o discourse_n because_o it_o go_v upon_o a_o supposition_n that_o every_o text_n be_v necessary_o to_o be_v understand_v and_o infallible_o in_o the_o sense_n thereof_o this_o can_v be_v deny_v free_o without_o any_o detrement_n to_o our_o cause_n may_v we_o not_o therefore_o smile_v at_o that_o which_o follow_v as_o if_o we_o be_v bind_v infallible_o to_o know_v the_o secret_a free_a will_n of_o god_n for_o which_o we_o must_v have_v a_o revelation_n or_o else_o our_o cause_n shall_v be_v lose_v what_o be_v this_o to_o the_o contradiction_n of_o we_o unless_o we_o be_v either_o oblige_v to_o know_v infallible_o all_o sense_n of_o all_o text_n or_o unless_o those_o text_n which_o contain_v point_n necessary_a be_v so_o doubtful_a in_o the_o sense_n thereof_o we_o deny_v both_o the_o scripture_n be_v in_o the_o sense_n and_o as_o to_o point_n necessary_a the_o revelation_n be_v in_o the_o word_n no_o need_n of_o a_o revelation_n of_o the_o sense_n after_o the_o revelation_n of_o the_o word_n because_o the_o sense_n be_v reveal_v in_o the_o word_n as_o if_o when_o our_o saviour_n say_v this_o be_v eternal_a life_n to_o know_v thou_o the_o only_a true_a god_n and_o he_o who_o thou_o have_v send_v jesus_n christ_n we_o must_v yet_o have_v a_o eternal_a labour_n to_o find_v out_o distinct_o in_o what_o sense_n we_o must_v take_v plain_a necessary_a truth_n as_o if_o when_o our_o saviour_n command_v we_o to_o repent_v and_o believe_v we_o have_v need_n of_o another_o revelation_n or_o a_o infallible_a judge_n to_o tell_v we_o in_o what_o sense_n we_o must_v take_v the_o word_n as_o if_o when_o our_o saviour_n say_v that_o he_o have_v reveal_v these_o thing_n to_o babe_n we_o must_v go_v to_o the_o holy_a father_n of_o rome_n and_o the_o father_n of_o a_o council_n for_o a_o uncontrollable_a exposition_n of_o these_o thing_n if_o then_o by_o the_o secret_a free_a will_n of_o god_n god_n purpose_n of_o bind_v we_o in_o our_o obedience_n that_o as_o to_z thing_n necessary_a be_v reveal_v in_o the_o term_n his_o voluntas_fw-la signi_fw-la as_o they_o speak_v as_o to_o these_o thing_n necessary_a be_v plain_o deliver_v and_o otherwise_o the_o expression_n be_v not_o good_a if_o we_o need_v another_o revelation_n of_o the_o sense_n indeed_o the_o voluntas_fw-la bene_fw-la placiti_fw-la as_o to_o his_o action_n that_o need_v a_o revelation_n but_o what_o be_v this_o to_o our_o purpose_n the_o former_a will_n how_o he_o will_v express_v himself_o be_v free_a to_o he_o before_o he_o do_v reveal_v himself_o in_o such_o writing_n but_o afterward_o it_o be_v determine_v by_o the_o plain_a signification_n of_o the_o word_n as_o to_o those_o matter_n of_o faith_n and_o where_o do_v they_o find_v this_o revelation_n in_o scripture_n that_o we_o must_v go_v to_o the_o church_n for_o a_o revelation_n of_o the_o sense_n of_o difficult_a text_n yea_o of_o those_o text_n which_o concern_v the_o church_n how_o shall_v we_o know_v whether_o those_o text_n be_v right_o interpret_v and_o know_v it_o infallible_o not_o by_o the_o church_n for_o the_o question_n be_v of_o the_o church_n not_o by_o a_o revelation_n make_v to_o particular_a person_n for_o than_o we_o may_v have_v a_o revelation_n of_o other_o text_n in_o the_o sense_n of_o they_o therefore_o must_v they_o say_v they_o be_v plain_a and_o if_o so_o then_o so_o may_v other_o text_n be_v especial_o such_o as_o respect_v necessity_n to_o salvation_n therefore_o when_o we_o have_v try_v all_o way_n as_o to_z faith_n we_o must_v centre_n in_o scripture_n and_o let_v they_o think_v upon_o that_o of_o christ_n to_o st._n paul_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d what_o he_o say_v four_o i_o have_v little_a to_o say_v to_o the_o authorite_n of_o sanctius_n and_o sharpius_n which_o he_o produce_v be_v more_o for_o my_o advantage_n than_o he_o for_o my_o adversary_n confess_v that_o learned_a sanctius_n confess_v that_o holy_a scripture_n in_o those_o thing_n which_o be_v necessary_a be_v clear_a second_o as_o for_o the_o nineteen_o rule_n which_o he_o give_v as_o necessary_a to_o the_o knowledge_n thereof_o this_o may_v respect_v other_o text_n of_o scripture_n which_o do_v not_o contemn_v necessary_a point_n three_o if_o those_o rule_n be_v intend_v as_o to_o the_o knowledge_n of_o what_o be_v necessary_a to_o salvation_n and_o not_o to_o the_o knowledge_n of_o scripture_n in_o general_n yet_o the_o difficulty_n must_v not_o be_v great_a even_o by_o those_o rule_n for_o how_o then_o can_v scripture_n be_v clear_a as_o to_o thing_n necessary_a yea_o also_o st._n austin_n give_v rule_n for_o the_o understanding_n of_o scripture_n and_o yet_o hold_v that_o scripture_n as_o to_o faith_n and_o manner_n plain_o deliver_v thing_n necessary_a as_o before_o neither_o be_v it_o necessary_a for_o our_o cause_n to_o exclude_v the_o use_n of_o mean_n for_o the_o understanding_n of_o scripture_n even_o in_o thing_n necessary_a it_o be_v sufficient_a to_o we_o that_o by_o the_o use_n of_o mean_n those_o text_n be_v so_o plain_a as_o that_o we_o have_v no_o need_n of_o a_o external_a infallible_a judge_n but_o we_o can_v admit_v with_o sharpius_n the_o mean_v he_o name_v to_o know_v original_a language_n to_o discuss_v the_o word_n phrase_n and_o ebraism_n to_o confer_v the_o place_n which_o be_v like_a and_o unlike_a to_o one_o another_o as_o to_o the_o understanding_n of_o scripture_n de_fw-fr communi_fw-la and_o they_o be_v necessary_a but_o he_o can_v mean_v these_o rule_n to_o be_v necessary_a for_o the_o understanding_n of_o every_o truth_n in_o scripture_n and_o therefore_o if_o his_o authority_n be_v sufficient_a yet_o can_v this_o he_o say_v be_v effectual_a to_o prove_v a_o necessity_n of_o all_o these_o mean_n as_o to_o the_o find_v out_o of_o the_o sense_n of_o those_o text_n wherein_o necessary_a truth_n be_v lay_v down_o that_o jesus_n be_v the_o christ_n that_o whosoever_o believe_v shall_v be_v save_v that_o there_o be_v a_o necessity_n of_o good_a work_n be_v truth_n so_o plain_a as_o he_o that_o can_v use_v those_o mean_n may_v plain_o discern_v and_o therefore_o need_v we_o not_o the_o help_n of_o those_o rule_n as_o to_o produce_v infallibility_n to_o be_v even_o then_o with_o my_o adversary_n for_o these_o authority_n we_o may_v also_o urge_v as_o the_o arch_a bishop_n of_o collen_n who_o as_o before_o reform_v his_o church_n by_o the_o rule_n of_o scripture_n so_o also_o the_o cardinal_n of_o rochester_n who_o in_o the_o trent_n council_n say_v it_o be_v better_a to_o take_v for_o our_o ground_n the_o scripture_n whence_o true_a theology_n be_v take_v than_o the_o subtlety_n of_o philosophy_n which_o the_o school_n have_v use_v hist_o trent_n counc_fw-la pag._n 197._o 8._o and_o add_v hereunto_o the_o uncertainty_n of_o the_o sense_n of_o a_o council_n as_o appear_v by_o contest_v of_o soto_n and_o viga_n hist_o tr._n counc_fw-la 216._o as_o for_o the_o say_n of_o that_o so_o much_o esteem_v chillingworth_n which_o he_o add_v five_o namely_o no_o more_o certain_a sign_n that_o a_o point_n be_v not_o evident_a than_o when_o honest_a &_o understanding_n and_o indifferent_a man_n &_o such_o as_o give_v themselves_o liberty_n of_o judgement_n after_o mature_a consideration_n of_o the_o matter_n do_v differ_v about_o unto_o which_o he_o subsume_v about_o how_o many_o point_n do_v you_o and_o your_o brethren_n differ_v which_o i_o have_v in_o this_o chap._n show_v to_o be_v point_n main_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n which_o according_a to_o this_o rule_n of_o know_v what_o be_v evident_a what_o not_o be_v evident_o not_o set_v down_o plain_o in_o scripture_n what_o come_v this_o to_o but_o a_o confusion_n for_o mr._n chillingworth_n give_v we_o the_o maxim_n and_o my_o adversary_n make_v the_o assumption_n upon_o presumption_n that_o he_o have_v prove_v many_o thing_n to_o be_v differ_v about_o which_o he_o say_v he_o have_v show_v to_o be_v necessary_a to_o salvation_n by_o mr._n chillingworth_n rule_n those_o point_n shall_v not_o be_v necessary_a because_o we_o differ_v about_o they_o but_o my_o adversary_n will_v fain_o prove_v it_o may_v be_v that_o mr._n chillingworth_n rule_n be_v false_a if_o it_o be_v false_a how_o can_v he_o use_v it_o against_o i_o if_o it_o be_v not_o false_a than_o it_o conclude_v more_o against_o he_o however_o till_o he_o prove_v our_o difference_n to_o be_v about_o necessary_n his_o discourse_n have_v neither_o form_n nor_o truth_n upon_o his_o part_n some_o twelve_o line_n of_o this_o number_n
13._o and_o you_o must_v pardon_v i_o if_o i_o say_v that_o which_o he_o have_v say_v before_o but_o how_o can_v i_o take_v it_o for_o full_a satisfaction_n that_o before_o i_o be_o refer_v to_o the_o three_o chap._n and_o here_o we_o be_v send_v back_o again_o to_o the_o place_n from_o whence_o he_o come_v this_o if_o we_o may_v say_v so_o be_v plain_z bo_z peep_v he_o have_v my_o answer_n there_o which_o be_v yet_o good_a the_o scripture_n thus_o profane_v and_o by_o such_o interpretation_n true_o discanon_v as_o i_o may_v say_v be_v rather_o subject_a to_o that_o effect_n which_o st._n paul_n epistle_n according_a to_o st._n peter_n have_v with_o some_o man_n i._n e._n they_o be_v subject_a to_o be_v deprave_v by_o they_o to_o the_o perdition_n of_o their_o interpreter_n but_o what_o be_v this_o to_o we_o and_o yet_o will_v they_o say_v because_o man_n be_v subject_a to_o deprave_v the_o scripture_n therefore_o be_v scripture_n subject_a to_o be_v deprave_v and_o after_o the_o same_o manner_n that_o the_o scripture_n may_v be_v discanon_v by_o such_o interpretation_n so_o may_v also_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o council_n if_o man_n have_v a_o great_a reverence_n of_o the_o decree_n and_o canon_n of_o council_n than_o of_o the_o holy_a scripture_n and_o if_o scripture_n be_v discanon_v by_o a_o false_a sense_n than_o scripture_n be_v canon_v by_o a_o true_a and_o so_o then_o by_o give_v a_o true_a sense_n of_o scripture_n the_o church_n shall_v make_v scripture_n which_o yet_o be_v deny_v by_o the_o learn_a pontifician_n and_o also_o if_o we_o must_v put_v upon_o scripture_n the_o corruption_n of_o man_n as_o he_o do_v by_o a_o fallacy_n of_o accident_n then_o have_v we_o less_o reason_n to_o esteem_v of_o scripture_n by_o the_o authority_n of_o man_n whereby_o the_o way_n you_o be_v again_o to_o take_v notice_n etc._n etc._n unto_o it_o be_v then_o true_a to_o that_o which_o he_o say_v here_o we_o answer_v again_o since_o he_o will_v have_v it_o so_o that_o the_o act_n of_o wrest_a scripture_n be_v damnative_a not_o by_o the_o error_n of_o the_o understanding_n but_o by_o the_o perverseness_n of_o the_o will_n whatsoever_o the_o matter_n of_o that_o scripture_n be_v whether_o necessary_a or_o not_o and_o he_o do_v well_o to_o conclude_v for_o we_o consequent_o these_o place_n do_v not_o according_a to_o your_o doctrine_n contain_v point_n necessary_a to_o salvation_n namely_o because_o they_o be_v hard_o it_o be_v right_a yet_o not_o because_o they_o be_v wrest_v they_o do_v not_o contain_v point_n necessary_a for_o point_n necessary_a may_v possible_o also_o be_v wrest_v but_o rather_o because_o they_o be_v hard_a to_o be_v understand_v point_n hard_a to_o be_v understand_v be_v more_o like_a to_o be_v wrest_v than_o point_v wrest_v hard_a to_o be_v understand_v and_o the_o perdition_n follow_v not_o upon_o the_o ignorance_n of_o the_o thing_n not_o necessary_a but_o upon_o the_o depravation_n of_o the_o text_n and_o therefore_o our_o allowance_n of_o some_o liberty_n of_o interpretation_n even_o in_o hard_a point_n may_v not_o easy_o prove_v damnable_a first_o the_o liberty_n be_v not_o so_o much_o allow_v as_o necessary_a second_o the_o liberty_n be_v not_o damnable_a but_o the_o abuse_n three_o the_o allowance_n be_v not_o so_o much_o to_o hard_a point_n but_o thing_n plain_a where_o the_o lamb_n may_v wade_v four_o it_o be_v necessary_a that_o the_o people_n shall_v know_v that_o which_o be_v necessary_a to_o be_v know_v it_o be_v accidental_a that_o they_o shall_v misinterpret_v the_o text_n which_o do_v not_o contain_v that_o which_o be_v necessary_a now_o shall_v he_o be_v deprive_v of_o that_o which_o be_v necessary_a upon_o a_o contingent_a inconvenience_n which_o also_o if_o he_o have_v a_o sober_a mind_n can_v betide_v he_o fellix_fw-la periculum_fw-la in_o necessariis_fw-la sapiens_fw-la non_fw-la curate_n de_fw-fr accidentalibus_fw-la it_o be_v then_o true_a which_o i_o tell_v you_o in_o another_o place_n that_o though_o the_o scripture_n be_v a_o most_o right_o rule_v yet_o it_o be_v very_o common_o so_o crooked_o apply_v that_o we_o stand_v in_o need_n of_o a_o better_a security_n of_o the_o interpretation_n of_o it_o in_o which_o the_o very_a kernel_n of_o the_o letter_n do_v consist_v than_o we_o have_v of_o the_o interpretation_n final_o stand_v unto_o make_v by_o the_o private_a judgement_n of_o our_o own_o discretion_n ans_fw-fr my_o adversary_n by_o his_o fallacy_n of_o accident_n be_v fall_v upon_o another_o question_n namely_o this_o whether_o it_o be_v not_o dangerous_a to_o let_v man_n have_v the_o free_a use_n of_o scripture_n which_o although_o it_o seem_v to_o conclude_v for_o he_o yet_o do_v not_o punctual_o conclude_v against_o i_o in_o the_o particular_a point_n of_o controversy_n namely_o whether_o the_o srcipture_n do_v plain_o deliver_v thing_n necessary_a as_o it_o be_v say_v by_o some_o that_o some_o hare_n when_o they_o be_v hot_o hunt_v will_v squart_v before_o another_o hare_n to_o put_v the_o hunter_n upon_o a_o new_a chase_n so_o he_o will_v start_v as_o it_o be_v another_o question_n to_o put_v i_o off_o from_o the_o prosecution_n of_o the_o right_a question_n but_o second_o we_o will_v follow_v this_o also_o and_o we_o say_v that_o he_o here_o grant_v as_o much_o as_o which_o extensive_o conclude_v against_o he_o for_o if_o the_o scripture_n be_v a_o most_o right_o rule_v as_o he_o confess_v then_o be_v we_o to_o be_v rule_v by_o it_o let_v i_o ask_v why_o do_v god_n give_v we_o this_o most_o right_o rule_v what_o to_o be_v lay_v aside_o because_o by_o some_o it_o be_v crooked_o apply_v be_v this_o a_o good_a consequence_n because_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n have_v be_v urge_v by_o heretic_n therefore_o we_o shall_v not_o urge_v the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n because_o the_o gospel_n do_v harm_n to_o some_o by_o their_o corruption_n therefore_o we_o shall_v not_o have_v it_o preach_v because_o dudithius_n the_o bishop_n of_o five_o church_n say_v of_o the_o trent_n council_n that_o the_o holy_a ghost_n have_v nothing_o to_o do_v with_o the_o council_n and_o that_o he_o be_v carry_v in_o a_o carrier_n portmantle_v to_o trent_n and_o that_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n which_o move_v upon_o the_o water_n can_v not_o come_v to_o trent_n because_o the_o water_n be_v up_o therefore_o we_o must_v not_o make_v use_n of_o council_n for_o the_o end_n of_o controversy_n such_o consequence_n his_o argumentation_n afford_v let_v they_o own_o these_o or_o retract_v their_o reason_n three_o where_o shall_v we_o have_v a_o better_a security_n of_o the_o interpretation_n of_o it_o let_v they_o first_o secure_v a_o better_a security_n of_o the_o interpretation_n of_o it_o it_o be_v true_a if_o the_o interpretation_n of_o a_o council_n be_v compare_v with_o the_o interpretation_n of_o a_o private_a judgement_n it_o be_v probable_a that_o the_o interpretation_n of_o a_o council_n shall_v be_v better_o but_o the_o question_n be_v whether_o we_o can_v have_v security_n for_o faith_n by_o the_o interpretation_n of_o a_o council_n this_o we_o deny_v since_o council_n may_v possible_o err_v in_o the_o interpretation_n of_o some_o text_n and_o particular_o the_o trent_n council_n do_v err_v in_o some_o interpretation_n as_o some_o of_o the_o divine_n therein_o have_v signify_v and_o then_o fourthly_a he_o do_v free_o or_o inconsiderate_o mistake_v our_o cause_n in_o the_o allowance_n we_o give_v to_o the_o private_a judgement_n of_o discretion_n for_o we_o do_v not_o say_v that_o we_o shall_v final_o stand_v to_o our_o private_a interpretation_n either_o as_o to_o determine_v other_o thereby_o or_o to_o prefer_v our_o own_o interpretation_n before_o that_o public_a judgement_n of_o a_o council_n but_o this_o we_o say_v that_o the_o sense_n of_o scripture_n can_v be_v obtrude_v to_o we_o as_o to_o believe_v it_o upon_o their_o account_n unless_o we_o see_v good_a reason_n out_o of_o scripture_n for_o it_o the_o private_a judgement_n of_o discretion_n have_v not_o itself_o in_o this_o case_n as_o in_o a_o contrary_a competition_n to_o the_o council_n but_o have_v itself_o negative_o and_o be_v upon_o the_o suspense_n till_o it_o see_v god_n word_n for_o it_o but_o he_o know_v my_o answer_n as_o it_o seem_v i_o know_v your_o answer_n be_v that_o it_o be_v accidental_a to_o this_o rule_n to_o be_v misapply_v and_o this_o can_v infringe_v the_o authority_n of_o scripture_n yes_o this_o be_v in_o substance_n my_o answer_n before_o but_o now_o it_o will_v not_o serve_v as_o my_o adversary_n will_v persuade_v i_o by_o his_o distinction_n it_o do_v not_o indeed_o infringe_v the_o authority_n of_o scripture_n use_v as_o god_n will_v have_v it_o use_v with_o due_a submission_n to_o the_o public_a interpretation_n of_o the_o church_n otherwise_o etc._n etc._n unto_o neither_o ans_fw-fr he_o mean_v
all_o the_o world_n also_o for_o all_o difference_n do_v arise_v either_o in_o doctrine_n or_o discipline_n if_o we_o take_v doctrine_n as_o extendible_a not_o only_o to_o point_n of_o simple_a faith_n but_o also_o to_o point_n of_o practice_n for_o then_o the_o scripture_n shall_v rule_v we_o in_o point_n of_o doctrine_n and_o the_o church_n in_o point_n of_o discipline_n unto_o peace_n but_o his_o fair_a term_n will_v not_o grow_v into_o a_o composition_n for_o he_o argue_v that_o the_o scripture_n can_v be_v the_o judge_n of_o heretic_n thus_o all_o offender_n against_o the_o law_n will_v never_o be_v so_o much_o their_o own_o condemnor_n as_o to_o choose_v on_o their_o own_o accord_n a_o judge_n by_o who_o they_o know_v they_o shall_v clear_o be_v condemn_v therefore_o when_o we_o see_v all_o offender_n against_o god_n law_n in_o point_n of_o heresy_n choose_v on_o their_o own_o accord_n to_o be_v judge_v by_o scripture_n it_o be_v a_o manifest_a sign_n that_o they_o know_v they_o shall_v never_o be_v condemn_v clear_o by_o scripture_n ans_fw-fr this_o discourse_n in_o form_n seem_v a_o enthymem_n but_o in_o effect_n be_v a_o syllogism_n if_o we_o take_v a_o minor_a out_o of_o the_o consequent_a to_o the_o major_a therefore_o we_o say_v we_o be_v not_o here_o to_o examine_v what_o a_o offender_n will_v do_v to_o save_v his_o life_n but_o what_o we_o shall_v do_v to_o save_v our_o soul_n the_o question_n be_v of_o duty_n which_o we_o shall_v be_v judge_v by_o nay_o second_o the_o offender_n ought_v moral_o to_o refer_v himself_o to_o his_o right_a judge_n notwithstanding_o his_o danger_n and_o in_o heresy_n we_o offend_v against_o the_o fundamental_a law_n of_o god_n in_o scripture_n for_o though_o there_o be_v a_o respect_n to_o the_o church_n in_o the_o common_a definition_n of_o heresy_n yet_o this_o opposition_n to_o the_o church_n do_v not_o constitute_v heresy_n but_o rather_o schism_n heresy_n have_v in_o it_o more_o of_o the_o matter_n about_o which_o the_o error_n be_v schism_n have_v more_o of_o the_o form_n in_o opposition_n to_o the_o church_n because_o it_o be_v neither_o in_o thing_n clear_o command_v ordinary_o nor_o in_o thing_n necessary_a and_o so_o his_o argument_n from_o a_o manifest_a sign_n seem_v to_o be_v such_o a_o sign_n that_o he_o have_v no_o better_o but_o beside_o the_o minor_a which_o be_v couch_v wise_o in_o the_o consequent_a or_o conclusion_n be_v also_o in_o part_n false_a for_o heretic_n have_v also_o plead_v the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n for_o themselves_o as_o have_v be_v say_v and_o by_o his_o argument_n this_o be_v a_o manifest_a sign_n that_o they_o can_v clear_o be_v condemn_v by_o the_o church_n and_o then_o again_o second_o to_o the_o minor_a he_o suppose_v heretic_n rational_a man_n because_o they_o do_v wise_o decline_v as_o he_o think_v such_o a_o judge_n as_o will_v clear_o condemn_v they_o well_o then_o they_o may_v desire_v to_o be_v judge_v by_o scripture_n not_o because_o they_o can_v be_v clear_o condemn_v thereby_o but_o because_o they_o know_v that_o that_o be_v the_o standard_n whereby_o their_o opinion_n be_v to_o be_v authorize_v and_o make_v good_a and_o because_o they_o be_v to_o deal_v with_o those_o who_o know_v there_o be_v no_o other_o way_n of_o solid_a reviction_n for_o the_o matter_n of_o heresy_n but_o by_o scripture_n three_o the_o adversary_n may_v have_v know_v that_o as_o they_o have_v appeal_v to_o scripture_n so_o also_o to_o the_o scripture_n they_o have_v be_v send_v by_o the_o church_n so_o st._n austin_n deal_v with_o maximinus_n so_o st._n athanasius_n say_v the_o nicene_n father_n determine_v against_o the_o arrian_n by_o scripture_n as_o before_o have_v be_v say_v if_o therefore_o they_o who_o in_o his_o opinion_n shall_v have_v judge_v they_o judge_v they_o by_o authority_n of_o scripture_n than_o scripture_n be_v the_o law_n by_o which_o they_o be_v to_o be_v judge_v and_o then_o the_o whole_a argument_n will_v be_v return_v upon_o they_o mutatis_fw-la mutandis_fw-la thus_o all_o offender_n against_o the_o law_n of_o god_n of_o their_o own_o accord_n will_v not_o choose_v such_o a_o judge_n by_o who_o they_o know_v they_o shall_v clear_o be_v condemn_v therefore_o my_o adversary_n who_o be_v offender_n against_o the_o law_n of_o god_n in_o scripture_n of_o their_o own_o accord_n have_v no_o mind_n to_o be_v judge_v by_o scripture_n and_o therefore_o they_o choose_v to_o be_v judge_v by_o the_o church_n which_o they_o interpret_v to_o be_v themselves_o thus_o as_o heretic_n of_o their_o own_o accord_n will_v be_v their_o own_o judge_n so_o will_v our_o adversary_n with_o all_o their_o heart_n then_o they_o agree_v with_o heretic_n and_o so_o it_o will_v pose_v he_o to_o find_v any_o one_o heretic_n as_o it_o will_v pose_v i_o to_o find_v how_o my_o adversary_n church_n shall_v be_v condemn_v and_o as_o for_o the_o false_a gloss_n and_o interpretation_n whereby_o he_o think_v heretic_n may_v evade_v why_o shall_v we_o again_o say_v that_o notwithstanding_o they_o be_v deal_v with_o by_o law_n of_o scripture_n but_o also_o so_o there_o be_v false_a gloss_n and_o interpretation_n of_o former_a council_n and_o late_a too_o else_o how_o can_v some_o definition_n be_v so_o set_v down_o as_o shall_v please_v different_a party_n and_o why_o so_o many_o difference_n still_o but_o be_v this_o a_o argument_n for_o theologie_n they_o may_v use_v false_a gloss_n and_o interpretation_n therefore_o they_o be_v not_o to_o be_v judge_v by_o scripture_n as_o good_a a_o argument_n will_v starve_v he_o for_o fear_v of_o poison_n in_o his_o meat_n and_o as_o for_o our_o give_v of_o scope_n to_o these_o kind_n of_o gloss_n and_o interpretation_n it_o be_v not_o so_o in_o maxima_fw-la libertate_fw-la minima_fw-la licentia_fw-la regular_a permission_n to_o search_v the_o scripture_n be_v no_o give_v of_o scope_n to_o such_o gloss_n and_o interpretation_n then_o if_o so_o in_o stead_n of_o the_o beroean_n commendation_n for_o search_v the_o scripture_n we_o must_v read_v condemnation_n for_o if_o minister_n may_v not_o give_v this_o liberty_n the_o people_n ought_v not_o to_o take_v it_o neither_o do_v i_o against_o any_o council_n firm_o believe_v my_o own_o particular_a interpretation_n to_o be_v true_a but_o by_o consequent_a because_o that_o which_o be_v so_o interpret_v by_o i_o according_a to_o lawful_a rule_n i_o may_v judge_v to_o be_v true_a and_o he_o may_v allow_v i_o a_o power_n of_o discourse_n upon_o the_o proposition_n of_o council_n because_o he_o as_o other_o may_v hold_v council_n to_o be_v fallible_a in_o their_o discourse_n but_o not_o in_o the_o conclusion_n and_o be_v not_o this_o very_a disputable_a can_v i_o be_v as_o much_o assure_v of_o it_o as_o that_o jesus_n be_v the_o christ_n and_o may_v not_o i_o consent_v to_o the_o ancient_a father_n against_o the_o father_n of_o trent_n hist_o trent_n hist_o and_o do_v not_o some_o divine_n in_o the_o trent_n council_n complain_v that_o some_o determination_n cross_v the_o mind_n of_o the_o ancient_a father_n and_o now_o if_o they_o will_v consider_v that_o the_o arrian_n uphold_v a_o opinion_n which_o they_o know_v condemn_v in_o a_o lawful_a general_n council_n namely_o the_o first_o nicene_n and_o also_o that_o the_o arrian_n know_v and_o that_o other_o ought_v to_o know_v that_o nothing_o in_o point_n of_o faith_n can_v authentical_o be_v urge_v but_o out_o of_o scripture_n they_o may_v think_v they_o have_v satisfaction_n enough_o to_o this_o paragraph_n and_o may_v what_o christ_n and_o his_o apostle_n have_v express_v for_o the_o use_n of_o the_o cup_n in_o the_o holy_a communion_n be_v extrude_v and_o what_o the_o trent_n council_n determine_v for_o the_o omission_n not_o doubt_v of_o call_v they_o not_o this_o presumption_n be_v ever_o any_o before_o these_o day_n so_o presumptuous_a 20._o num._n 20._o here_o my_o adversary_n will_v maintain_v a_o supposition_n of_o he_o that_o they_o do_v only_o believe_v the_o scripture_n not_o we_o ans_fw-fr this_o vary_v from_o the_o state_n of_o the_o present_a question_n and_o therefore_o when_o he_o go_v from_o the_o question_n we_o need_v not_o follow_v he_o for_o the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d with_o we_o be_v this_o whether_o the_o scripture_n do_v plain_o contain_v all_o thing_n necessary_a to_o salvation_n yet_o as_o he_o say_v non_fw-la sum_fw-la piger_fw-la usque_fw-la sequor_fw-la his_o argument_n be_v this_o no_o body_n can_v believe_v this_o with_o divine_a faith_n who_o do_v not_o ground_n his_o assent_n to_o this_o truth_n upon_o divine_a revelation_n but_o our_o adversary_n do_v not_o ground_v their_o assent_n to_o this_o truth_n upon_o divine_a revelation_n ans_fw-fr some_o of_o our_o divine_n have_v be_v charge_v with_o too_o much_o charity_n but_o we_o be_v now_o charge_v with_o a_o total_a want_n of_o faith_n
a_o infallible_a assent_n no_o more_o than_o the_o first_o principle_n which_o be_v the_o object_n of_o intelligence_n and_o also_o therefore_o upon_o the_o premise_n that_o which_o conclude_v the_o number_n may_v have_v be_v forbear_v indeed_o you_o have_v bring_v your_o whole_a religion_n to_o as_o pitiful_a a_o case_n as_o your_o adversary_n can_v wish_v it_o these_o brave_a word_n do_v not_o hurt_v a_o solid_a cause_n they_o be_v to_o be_v return_v to_o the_o place_n from_o whence_o they_o come_v who_o have_v bring_v religion_n to_o so_o pitiful_a a_o case_n as_o the_o pontifician_n who_o must_v have_v religion_n make_v accomodable_a to_o their_o pride_n and_o covetuousness_n no_o case_n of_o religion_n so_o pitiful_a as_o uncertainty_n no_o such_o uncertainty_n of_o religion_n as_o with_o they_o for_o if_o they_o ground_n their_o religion_n upon_o the_o determination_n of_o council_n wherein_o only_a bishop_n have_v their_o vote_n and_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n his_o confirmation_n thereof_o no_o man_n can_v according_a to_o their_o principle_n be_v certain_a whether_o there_o be_v a_o true_a pope_n or_o true_a bishop_n as_o have_v be_v say_v moreover_o we_o can_v make_v use_n of_o intrinsical_a argument_n for_o the_o truth_n of_o scripture_n to_o be_v the_o word_n of_o god_n as_o well_o as_o they_o we_o can_v make_v use_n of_o extrinsecall_a argument_n better_o for_o we_o make_v use_v of_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n and_o do_v give_v it_o in_o this_o point_n as_o much_o reverence_n as_o be_v due_a thereunto_o but_o therefore_o till_o that_o which_o be_v here_o say_v for_o the_o settle_n of_o our_o faith_n be_v disprove_v and_o also_o till_o it_o be_v prove_v that_o we_o do_v not_o make_v use_n of_o these_o argument_n towards_o our_o faith_n of_o scripture_n because_o we_o do_v not_o pitch_v our_o final_a resolution_n in_o they_o our_o ground_n of_o faith_n and_o of_o religion_n be_v as_o good_a and_o sound_a as_o they_o yea_o in_o respect_n of_o our_o own_o subjective_a faith_n more_o yea_o the_o romanist_n may_v know_v that_o he_o have_v be_v tell_v that_o estius_n do_v differ_v from_o they_o upon_o this_o point_n and_o say_v that_o it_o be_v not_o necessary_a to_o faith_n to_o be_v beget_v by_o the_o proposal_n of_o the_o church_n in_o the_o three_o b._n of_o senten_a 23_o do_v yea_o also_o stapleton_n in_o his_o triplication_n against_o whitaker_n say_v p._n 103._o ego_fw-la igitur_fw-la quicquid_fw-la in_o haec_fw-la causa_fw-la spiritui_fw-la sancto_fw-la tribuendum_fw-la est_fw-la plenissime_fw-la assignavi_fw-la etc._n etc._n i_o have_v most_o full_o assign_v what_o be_v to_o be_v attribute_v to_o the_o holy_a ghost_n in_o this_o cause_n assert_v these_o two_o thing_n both_o that_o by_o faith_n infuse_v alone_o or_o by_o the_o testimony_n of_o the_o holy_a spirit_n alone_o all_o faith_n may_v be_v beget_v when_o it_o please_v the_o spirit_n of_o god_n to_o teach_v any_o extraordinary_o immediate_o and_o also_o although_o ordinary_o a_o thing_n be_v deliver_v by_o the_o testimony_n and_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n yet_o no_o faith_n do_v efficacious_o follow_v without_o the_o gift_n of_o faith_n infuse_v by_o god_n or_o without_o the_o internal_a testimony_n of_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n and_o again_o the_o same_o in_o the_o next_o page_n to_o the_o same_o purpose_n to_o clear_v himself_o of_o the_o suspicion_n of_o give_v no_o more_o to_o the_o holy_a ghost_n in_o this_o point_n than_o those_o who_o put_v the_o last_o reason_n of_o believe_v in_o the_o testimony_n of_o the_o church_n he_o say_v disert_o ego_fw-la enim_fw-la etc._n etc._n for_o i_o have_v deny_v and_o do_v deny_v that_o the_o last_o reason_n of_o believe_v be_v to_o be_v put_v in_o the_o testimony_n of_o the_o church_n not_o only_o upon_o that_o head_n that_o that_o last_o proposition_n or_o resolution_n i_o believe_v the_o church_n to_o be_v govern_v by_o the_o holy_a ghost_n be_v not_o have_v without_o the_o inward_a gift_n of_o faith_n or_o that_o he_o who_o believe_v this_o believe_v this_o by_o a_o gift_n of_o faith_n and_o not_o by_o humane_a faith_n or_o acquisite_a but_o especial_o upon_o that_o head_n that_o without_o any_o testification_n of_o the_o church_n or_o notice_n of_o the_o church_n or_o of_o the_o knowledge_n of_o that_o proposition_n that_o the_o church_n be_v govern_v by_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n by_o the_o only_a magisterie_n of_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n one_o may_v believe_v all_o that_o be_v to_o be_v believe_v as_o the_o prophet_n and_o apostle_n be_v teach_v by_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n alone_o do_v believe_v many_o thing_n for_o from_o hence_o it_o follow_v invincible_o against_o durandus_fw-la and_o other_o since_o there_o can_v be_v but_o one_o formal_a reason_n of_o our_o faith_n and_o some_o believe_v without_o the_o testimony_n of_o the_o church_n but_o none_o can_v believe_v without_o the_o testimony_n of_o the_o spirit_n that_o the_o proper_a and_o formal_a reason_n of_o faith_n be_v not_o the_o voice_n of_o the_o church_n but_o must_v be_v the_o testimony_n the_o doctrine_n the_o magistery_n of_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n so_o he_o and_o therefore_o there_o be_v less_o between_o stapleton_n and_o i_o than_o betwixt_o my_o adversary_n and_o i_o when_o all_o be_v do_v therefore_o we_o must_v come_v to_o this_o of_o the_o father_n cathedram_fw-la habet_fw-la in_o coelis_fw-la qui_fw-la corda_fw-la docet_fw-la in_o terris_fw-la he_o have_v his_o chair_n in_o heaven_n that_o teach_v heart_n on_o earth_n and_o with_o the_o heart_n man_n believe_v unto_o salvation_n rom_n 10.10_o 21._o num._n 21._o therefore_o in_o the_o follow_a number_n he_o need_v not_o to_o take_v notice_n of_o my_o differ_v from_o other_o of_o our_o own_o church_n in_o this_o point_n let_v they_o agree_v with_o their_o own_o man_n let_v bannes_n and_o stapleton_n agree_v with_o durand_n or_o if_o they_o can_v be_v reconcile_v let_v they_o never_o hereafter_o make_v any_o difference_n among_o ourselves_o a_o prejudice_n to_o the_o cause_n it_o be_v then_o no_o more_o reproach_n to_o i_o to_o differ_v from_o other_o than_o for_o some_o of_o they_o as_o for_o the_o three_o then_o who_o he_o say_v i_o differ_v from_o mr._n chillingworth_n dr._n cowell_n and_o mr._n hooker_n if_o they_o do_v not_o agree_v it_o it_o be_v no_o infallible_a argument_n against_o i_o even_o in_o the_o opinion_n of_o those_o three_o but_o also_o as_o to_o the_o first_o i_o say_v and_o my_o adversary_n may_v have_v know_v that_o he_o hold_v not_o faith_n in_o the_o high_a notion_n of_o a_o divine_a assent_n as_o they_o do_v but_o that_o a_o moral_a assurance_n be_v sufficient_a to_o it_o and_o sufficient_o influxive_a into_o necessary_a practice_n and_o therefore_o have_v this_o opinion_n of_o faith_n he_o conceive_v no_o such_o need_n of_o a_o infallible_a ground_n hereof_o but_o take_v therefore_o a_o common_a principle_n for_o his_o motive_n hereof_o namely_o universal_a tradition_n second_o if_o he_o take_v not_o his_o ground_n from_o my_o adversary_n what_o do_v they_o get_v by_o he_o for_o in_o his_o sixty_o six_o page_n he_o say_v that_o it_o be_v altogether_o as_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d to_o he_o that_o the_o gospel_n of_o st._n matthew_n be_v the_o word_n of_o god_n as_o that_o all_o that_o the_o roman_a church_n say_v be_v true_a yea_o moreover_o the_o same_o p._n 135._o do_v fair_o show_v that_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n may_v give_v assurance_n hereof_o which_o he_o say_v indeed_o be_v not_o rational_a and_o discursive_a but_o supernatural_a and_o infuse_v a_o assurance_n it_o may_v be_v to_o himself_o but_o not_o to_o any_o other_o and_o again_o p._n 211._o that_o the_o doctrine_n itself_o be_v very_o fit_a and_o worthy_a to_o be_v think_v to_o come_v from_o god_n nec_fw-la vox_fw-la hominem_fw-la sonat_fw-la and_o be_v not_o then_o in_o his_o opinion_n the_o scripture_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d if_o then_o he_o have_v raise_v faith_n to_o that_o height_n of_o a_o divine_a assent_n as_o my_o adversary_n do_v it_o be_v very_o like_v he_o will_v have_v think_v better_a of_o this_o assurance_n by_o the_o spirit_n to_o be_v more_o ordinary_a since_o universal_a tradition_n if_o it_o have_v any_o weight_n must_v rest_v in_o scripture_n as_o it_o be_v the_o tradition_n of_o the_o universal_a church_n which_o also_o he_o contradistinguish_v not_o only_o to_o the_o roman_a church_n for_o place_n but_o to_o the_o present_a universal_a church_n for_o time_n because_o we_o can_v prove_v the_o church_n but_o by_o scripture_n and_o as_o for_o the_o other_o two_o who_o judgement_n he_o oppose_v to_o my_o opinion_n i_o think_v they_o may_v receive_v convenient_a satisfaction_n by_o what_o be_v say_v to_o the_o former_a that_o they_o do_v not_o deny_v this_o assurance_n by_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n but_o
no_o better_a answer_n the_o other_o council_n be_v hold_v good_a without_o his_o royal_a assent_n yea_o notwithstanding_o his_o opposition_n there_o will_v be_v another_o instance_n of_o a_o council_n oppose_v a_o council_n namely_o the_o council_n of_o ariminum_n oppose_v the_o council_n of_o the_o first_o nicene_n but_o three_o as_o to_o his_o reason_n why_o it_o be_v not_o acknowledge_v a_o lawful_a council_n because_o he_o subscribe_v not_o i_o deny_v it_o upon_o sozomen_n his_o account_n in_o his_o 16._o b._n 23._o ch_n if_o he_o take_v his_o not_o subscribe_v as_o he_o seem_v to_o do_v for_o the_o only_a cause_n for_o he_o sozomen_n say_v there_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d because_o neither_o the_o bishop_n of_o the_o roman_n nor_o other_o do_v consent_n to_o they_o &_o because_o many_o do_v dislike_v those_o thing_n which_o be_v decree_v by_o they_o have_v they_o then_o in_o the_o council_n of_o ariminum_n decree_v according_a to_o the_o nicene_n father_n the_o council_n of_o ariminum_n may_v have_v pass_v with_o st._n austin_n notwithstanding_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n not_o subscribe_v it_o though_o not_o comparative_o to_o the_o proof_n of_o scripture_n but_o we_o see_v here_o in_o this_o testimony_n three_o particular_n against_o they_o first_o that_o he_o be_v here_o call_v the_o bishop_n of_o the_o roman_n not_o the_o bishop_n signanter_n nor_o the_o universal_a bishop_n nor_o the_o bishop_n of_o the_o church_n he_o have_v but_o his_o share_n with_o the_o rest_n and_o limit_v by_o local_a jurisdiction_n then_o how_o can_v they_o say_v that_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n be_v the_o chief_a bishop_n and_o head_n of_o the_o church_n second_o we_o see_v here_o that_o the_o consent_n of_o other_o concur_v towards_o the_o make_n of_o a_o council_n lawful_a and_o therefore_o the_o consent_n of_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n be_v not_o that_o which_o be_v the_o form_n informant_a of_o the_o council_n nor_o that_o which_o legitimate_v it_o and_o three_o we_o see_v the_o reason_n in_o part_n at_o least_o to_o be_v because_o they_o dislike_v those_o thing_n which_o be_v decree_v in_o the_o council_n of_o ariminum_n and_o therefore_o if_o it_o have_v be_v a_o full_a meeting_n and_o consent_v to_o yet_o have_v be_v exceptable_a against_o in_o regard_n of_o the_o matter_n for_o sure_o the_o presence_n of_o all_o and_o their_o subscription_n will_v not_o have_v make_v that_o matter_n to_o be_v good_a which_o be_v naught_o for_o than_o they_o have_v declare_v that_o to_o be_v good_a which_o be_v not_o and_o this_o have_v be_v a_o error_n therefore_o though_o we_o receive_v the_o four_o general_a council_n we_o be_v not_o bind_v to_o receive_v the_o decree_n of_o every_o council_n because_o we_o do_v not_o receive_v the_o council_n simple_o but_o do_v receive_v the_o council_n for_o the_o doctrine_n not_o the_o doctrine_n for_o the_o council_n therefore_o upon_o the_o whole_a matter_n he_o have_v no_o great_a reason_n to_o admire_v my_o instance_n in_o the_o council_n of_o ariminum_n neither_o do_v it_o follow_v that_o because_o one_o council_n have_v err_v therefore_o every_o one_o therefore_o that_o which_o he_o say_v may_v be_v false_o report_v that_o some_o tax_v the_o council_n of_o all_o age_n of_o error_n against_o scripture_n every_o one_o may_v err_v without_o any_o impossibility_n some_o have_v show_v a_o possibility_n by_o error_n but_o any_o one_o possibility_n do_v not_o infer_v any_o one_o act_n much_o less_o of_o all_o and_o if_o any_o one_o shall_v have_v say_v so_o they_o be_v acquaint_v well_o with_o their_o own_o answer_n they_o be_v but_o private_a man_n that_o say_v so_o and_o why_o do_v he_o tell_v we_o of_o mechanic_n that_o speak_v disrespective_o of_o all_o council_n let_v they_o first_o answer_v for_o some_o body_n of_o their_o black_a coat_n who_o say_v the_o scripture_n be_v as_o a_o nose_n of_o wax_n they_o make_v to_o we_o a_o need_n of_o the_o phrase_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d as_o to_o the_o twelve_o answer_n we_o have_v have_v the_o substance_n of_o it_o also_o before_o the_o incustation_n of_o it_o make_v it_o not_o solid_a it_o do_v no_o way_n follow_v that_o because_o their_o first_o council_n act_v 15._o say_v it_o have_v seem_v good_a to_o the_o holy_a ghost_n and_o to_o we_o therefore_o every_o council_n even_o lawful_a shall_v say_v so_o this_o be_v to_o be_v prove_v not_o propound_v and_o let_v ferus_fw-la their_o own_a give_v they_o the_o reason_n upon_o the_o fifteen_o of_o the_o acts._n let_v they_o either_o make_v it_o good_a that_o every_o assistance_n be_v infallible_a or_o that_o every_o council_n have_v that_o assistance_n which_o be_v infallible_a and_o their_o postulate_v that_o anathemas_n shall_v conclude_v infallibility_n in_o their_o council_n be_v deny_v they_o second_o they_o bound_v more_o unto_o peace_n than_o faith_n and_o so_o their_o form_n in_o the_o trent_n council_n be_v si_fw-mi quis_fw-la haec_fw-la attentare_fw-la presumpserit_fw-la etc._n etc._n if_o any_o shall_v presume_v to_o attempt_v tnese_n thing_n etc._n etc._n three_o neither_o be_v there_o such_o danger_n by_o they_o unless_o every_o one_o be_v bind_v to_o submit_v his_o assent_n yea_o i_o think_v the_o trent_n council_n do_v speak_v in_o their_o beginning_n somewhat_o more_o modest_o of_o their_o synod_n in_o spiritu_fw-la sancto_fw-it legitime_fw-la congregata_fw-la lawful_o gather_v together_o in_o the_o holy_a ghost_n every_o meeting_n infallible_a be_v lawful_a but_o every_o lawful_a meeting_n be_v not_o infallible_a as_o for_o his_o thirteen_o answer_n he_o take_v into_o a_o consideartion_n that_o of_o nazianzen_n touch_v council_n and_o he_o will_v distinguish_v that_o he_o do_v not_o speak_v of_o a_o lawful_a free_a general_n council_n call_v and_o direct_v by_o the_o chief_a pastor_n of_o the_o church_n prefide_v in_o it_o so_o then_o he_o do_v despise_v all_o council_n but_o such_o do_v he_o not_o yes_o they_o will_v say_v present_o then_o he_o despise_v all_o council_n for_o there_o be_v none_o so_o call_v so_o direct_v so_o preside_v in_o his_o time_n or_o before_o nor_o present_o after_o the_o five_o council_n of_o constantinople_n which_o be_v about_o 553._o under_o justinian_n the_o emperor_n do_v sit_v and_o determine_v without_o and_o against_o vigilius_n the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n and_o second_o as_o to_o that_o he_o say_v that_o nazianzen_n speech_n do_v respect_v the_o time_n of_o the_o arrian_n trouble_v which_o st._n basil_n take_v notice_n of_o we_o say_v suppose_v it_o yet_o this_o also_o make_v a_o prejudice_n to_o all_o council_n in_o the_o time_n of_o the_o arrian_n heresy_n because_o it_o be_v very_o like_o that_o several_a close_a arrian_n might_n in_o council_n mingle_v with_o the_o orthodox_n and_o three_o it_o be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d if_o he_o conclude_v from_o a_o respect_n to_o council_n in_o the_o other_o father_n unto_o a_o assert_v of_o their_o infallibility_n a_o genere_fw-la ad_fw-la speciem_fw-la non_fw-la sequitur_fw-la affirmative_a because_o they_o give_v they_o some_o respect_n therefore_o such_o as_o import_v their_o infallibility_n it_o do_v no_o way_n follow_v four_o neither_o do_v nazianzen_n respect_n to_o the_o nicene_n council_n contradict_v he_o here_o for_o although_o that_o may_v proceed_v well_o in_o his_o opinion_n yet_o speak_v de_fw-la communi_fw-la and_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d he_o may_v say_v as_o he_o say_v neither_o do_v it_o appear_v that_o he_o embrace_v it_o upon_o its_o own_o authority_n intuitive_o but_o because_o he_o approve_v the_o doctrine_n otherwise_o why_o shall_v not_o eight_o hundred_o bishop_n in_o ariminum_n be_v as_o credible_a as_o not_o half_a so_o many_o in_o nice_a but_o it_o may_v be_v that_o the_o conclusion_n in_o the_o nicene_n council_n be_v prophetical_a and_o the_o discourse_n of_o those_o of_o ariminum_n be_v fallible_a yea_o but_o they_o will_v say_v that_o the_o discourse_n in_o the_o nicene_n council_n be_v fallible_a though_o the_o conclusion_n prophetical_a let_v this_o be_v prove_v and_o we_o have_v do_v but_o the_o nicene_n father_n as_o before_o profess_v that_o they_o proceed_v by_o principle_n of_o scripture_n in_o their_o determination_n and_o so_o bellarmin_n be_v drive_v to_o confess_v in_o his_o 12._o l._n the_o council_n sed_fw-la ex_fw-la verbo_fw-la dei_fw-la per_fw-la ratiocinationem_fw-la deducunt_fw-la conclusiones_fw-la they_o deduce_v their_o conclusion_n from_o the_o word_n of_o god_n by_o discourse_n let_v bellarmin_n then_o answer_n stapleton_n at_o the_o latter_a end_n of_o this_o section_n he_o take_v i_o up_o for_o a_o say_n of_o the_o bishop_n of_o bitonto_n in_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n and_o he_o be_v confident_a that_o that_o account_n of_o he_o have_v no_o credible_a ground_n ans_fw-fr sure_o as_o good_a ground_n as_o brierly_n have_v for_o several_a passage_n which_o he_o produce_v out_o of_o our_o
definition_n of_o council_n to_o be_v prophetical_a if_o they_o be_v conclude_v by_o discourse_n then_o be_v they_o fallible_a if_o their_o conclusion_n be_v prophetical_a then_o by_o revelation_n but_o also_o these_o term_n to_o propose_v faithful_o what_o be_v former_o reveal_v be_v somewhat_o obscure_o propose_v do_v he_o mean_v it_o of_o the_o sense_n of_o scripture_n then_o where_o be_v it_o former_o reveal_v if_o it_o be_v clear_o reveal_v what_o need_v of_o a_o council_n to_o see_v that_o which_o other_o may_v see_v if_o not_o how_o be_v the_o sense_n reveal_v to_o they_o infallible_o without_o a_o revelation_n if_o he_o mean_v what_o be_v former_o reveal_v of_o tradition_n those_o be_v beside_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o therefore_o these_o do_v not_o belong_v to_o interpret_n of_o scripture_n and_o yet_o also_o the_o church_n have_v not_o be_v so_o faithful_a in_o propose_v these_o as_o have_v be_v note_v before_o or_o do_v he_o mean_v it_o of_o traditive_a interpretation_n as_o they_o be_v call_v but_o where_o be_v these_o to_o be_v find_v who_o give_v we_o their_o number_n formal_a and_o material_a let_v they_o then_o take_v home_o to_o their_o own_o tent_n those_o that_o claim_v full_a assurance_n by_o the_o spirit_n in_o any_o point_n we_o differ_v from_o they_o much_o first_o because_o we_o do_v not_o pretend_v any_o such_o necessity_n of_o full_a assurance_n in_o every_o point_n but_o the_o roman_a must_v otherwise_o what_o need_v of_o a_o infallible_a live_a judge_n 2._o we_o pretend_v not_o to_o any_o prerogative_n above_o other_o church_n as_o to_o the_o know_v the_o sense_n of_o scripture_n they_o do_v therefore_o they_o urge_v that_o of_o st._n cyprian_n in_o allusion_n to_o what_o st._n paul_n say_v of_o the_o church_n of_o the_o roman_n then_o for_o their_o church_n now_o that_o perfidiousness_n can_v have_v access_n to_o they_o not_o consider_v beside_o what_o have_v be_v say_v to_o it_o before_o what_o nilus_n comment_v upon_o it_o that_o the_o apostle_n speak_v it_o of_o the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d not_o of_o the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d of_o the_o time_n that_o be_v past_a not_o of_o the_o future_a and_o three_o we_o do_v use_v mean_n towards_o the_o find_n out_o the_o true_a sense_n but_o they_o must_v have_v it_o by_o a_o extraordinary_a assistance_n of_o the_o spirit_n which_o need_v not_o mean_n if_o they_o will_v have_v it_o by_o infallible_a assistance_n in_o place_n of_o controversy_n therefore_o stapleton_n think_v rational_o that_o conclusion_n from_o discourse_n can_v be_v infallble_a and_o therefore_o he_o will_v have_v they_o to_o be_v prophetical_a and_o that_o will_v be_v by_o revelation_n this_o number_n receive_v again_o my_o reinforcement_n of_o my_o answer_n to_o that_o text_n forename_a about_o the_o church_n the_o pillar_n and_o ground_n of_o truth_n as_o we_o ordinary_o read_v it_o i_o say_v it_o respect_v the_o office_n of_o the_o church_n according_a to_o the_o rule_n of_o the_o school-man_n he_o say_v again_o no_o it_o respect_v the_o authority_n and_o here_o he_o do_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d for_o he_o offer_v no_o reason_n why_o it_o shall_v be_v take_v in_o his_o way_n for_o as_o to_o that_o which_o he_o urge_v here_o that_o it_o be_v call_v the_o ground_n of_o truth_n it_o be_v not_o solid_o object_v for_o the_o term_n in_o the_o greek_a be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d that_o which_o be_v to_o keep_v firm_a and_o stable_a the_o prop_n the_o support_n and_o this_o fair_o import_v a_o act_n ex_fw-la officio_fw-la to_o keep_v up_o and_o uphold_v the_o truth_n he_o say_v also_o it_o suit_v well_o with_o his_o sense_n to_o give_v order_n to_o timothy_n to_o carry_v himself_o well_o that_o the_o church_n may_v be_v think_v to_o be_v infallible_a so_o as_o not_o to_o make_v man_n believe_v it_o improbable_a that_o god_n shall_v assist_v infallible_o such_o a_o church_n ans_fw-fr the_o strength_n of_o this_o argument_n himself_o destroy_v he_o be_v afraid_a to_o make_v good_a life_n a_o argument_n of_o infallibility_n because_o he_o say_v it_o be_v a_o pitiful_a argument_n since_o solomon_n the_o idolater_n be_v assist_v with_o infallibility_n well_o but_o let_v they_o first_o take_v my_o sense_n with_o the_o rule_n of_o the_o schoolman_n and_o so_o compare_v they_o with_o his_o reason_n which_o be_v but_o a_o pitiful_a argument_n and_o then_o judge_v whether_o it_o be_v not_o best_o to_o take_v my_o account_n upon_o the_o place_n second_o if_o badness_n of_o life_n be_v a_o prejudice_n to_o infallibility_n then_o since_o they_o can_v deny_v that_o some_o of_o their_o chief_a pastor_n have_v be_v in_o life_n scandalous_a their_o infallibility_n will_v be_v scandalize_v and_o so_o can_v be_v such_o a_o way_n as_o that_o fool_n can_v err_v as_o he_o urge_v before_o three_o if_o this_o satisfy_v the_o multitude_n that_o those_o who_o be_v to_o instruct_v they_o be_v of_o unblamable_a life_n yet_o this_o though_o it_o be_v enough_o ad_fw-la faciendum_fw-la populum_fw-la yet_o this_o be_v not_o enough_o to_o judicious_a man_n who_o look_v for_o satisfaction_n upon_o solid_a principle_n nor_o can_v this_o make_v faith_n unto_o the_o people_n of_o their_o infallibility_n but_o a_o better_a opinion_n thereof_o four_o as_o for_o bishop_n and_o deacon_n which_o he_o say_v shall_v be_v so_o qualify_v by_o the_o order_n of_o st_n paul_n to_o and_o for_o the_o credit_n of_o such_o a_o church_n he_o do_v not_o there_o find_v in_o st._n paul_n epistle_n any_o cardinal_n bishop_n or_o cardinal_n presbyter_n or_o cardinal_n deacon_n in_o who_o the_o power_n of_o infallibility_n according_a to_o they_o shall_v chiefl_o consist_v and_o therefore_o that_o text_n do_v not_o positive_o serve_v their_o turn_n five_o i_o have_v think_v infallibility_n can_v have_v defend_v itself_o without_o the_o credit_n of_o a_o good_a life_n since_o the_o grace_n of_o gift_n and_o the_o gift_n of_o grace_n be_v two_o thing_n i_o say_v moreover_o what_o need_v of_o such_o instruction_n which_o st._n paul_n give_v to_o timothy_n if_o the_o church_n be_v infallible_a since_o infallible_a assistance_n be_v immediate_a he_o answer_v here_o this_o be_v a_o strange_a consequence_n the_o church_n be_v infallible_a in_o defend_v point_n in_o a_o general_a council_n ergo_fw-la no_o man_n need_v instruction_n for_o his_o private_a good_a behaviour_n ans_fw-fr but_o first_o the_o instruction_n he_o give_v to_o timothy_n be_v such_o as_o respect_v he_o in_o his_o place_n for_o the_o order_n of_o the_o church_n in_o rebus_fw-la fidei_fw-la in_o matter_n of_o faith_n as_o appear_v by_o the_o sum_n of_o christian_a doctrine_n which_o he_o give_v he_o great_a be_v the_o mystery_n of_o godliness_n etc._n etc._n second_o by_o my_o adversary_n opinion_n there_o be_v no_o such_o need_n of_o instruction_n for_o a_o private_a life_n since_o it_o be_v a_o pitiful_a argument_n to_o derogate_v from_o infallibility_n by_o a_o bad_a life_n three_o neither_o be_v timothy_n i_o hope_v in_o their_o account_n a_o private_a man_n after_o this_o he_o have_v two_o question_n in_o the_o cloud_n be_v it_o so_o for_o the_o first_o two_o thousand_o year_n before_o the_o scripture_n be_v write_v ans_fw-fr this_o be_v immediate_o subjoin_v to_o the_o other_o before_o and_o therefore_o shall_v seem_v to_o be_v univocal_a to_o it_o and_o then_o we_o say_v two_o thing_n first_o he_o suppose_v that_o which_o be_v to_o be_v prove_v that_o the_o church_n in_o that_o space_n be_v absolute_o infallible_a 2._o much_o less_o be_v it_o infallible_a in_o council_n as_o he_o now_o pretend_v which_o then_o be_v not_o as_o he_o now_o will_v have_v they_o therefore_o from_o hence_o it_o shall_v follow_v that_o if_o the_o church_n be_v infallible_a it_o may_v be_v infallible_a without_o council_n and_o this_o be_v against_o he_o another_o question_n be_v this_o or_o do_v we_o perhaps_o teach_v this_o infallible_a assistance_n to_o be_v communicate_v to_o every_o one_o immediate_o ans_fw-fr he_o speak_v grave_o as_o ancient_a man_n be_v wont_a with_o a_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d or_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d as_o he_o note_v in_o his_o rhetoric_n but_o why_o shall_v he_o think_v we_o think_v he_o do_v for_o the_o church_n by_o he_o may_v be_v think_v to_o be_v infallible_a though_o timothy_n be_v not_o because_o according_a to_o he_o infallibility_n be_v in_o a_o representative_a and_o though_o timothy_n may_v have_v be_v precedent_n of_o a_o council_n yet_o be_v he_o not_o to_o be_v according_a to_o my_o adversary_n personal_o infallible_a but_o as_o head_n of_o the_o council_n yea_o he_o can_v not_o be_v head_n of_o a_o council_n then_o for_o this_o be_v according_a to_o my_o adversary_n reserve_v for_o st._n peter_n and_o yet_o infallible_a assistance_n be_v communicate_v to_o every_o of_o
apostasy_n or_o heresy_n or_o nothing_o it_o can_v fall_v but_o into_o error_n it_o may_v fall_v to_o be_v sure_a this_o be_v the_o sure_a way_n unless_o they_o have_v better_o argument_n against_o every_o error_n whatsoever_o or_o better_a answer_n for_o the_o argument_n against_o they_o nevertheless_o we_o must_v attend_v his_o syllogism_n all_o this_o time_n all_o the_o visible_a guide_n or_o praelat_n of_o the_o church_n be_v lead_v and_o do_v lead_v into_o opinion_n contrary_a to_o the_o text_n of_o your_o church_n but_o all_o this_o time_n the_o spirit_n of_o truth_n do_v abide_v with_o they_o guide_v they_o into_o all_o truth_n therefore_o the_o opinion_n contrary_a to_o your_o church_n be_v true_a and_o not_o error_n well_o not_o to_o trouble_v they_o as_o to_o strictness_n of_o form_n to_o the_o proposition_n we_o can_v say_v that_o if_o they_o intend_v it_o of_o all_o the_o time_n from_o the_o apostle_n we_o utter_o deny_v it_o if_o they_o mean_v it_o of_o the_o time_n after_o the_o first_o six_o hundred_o year_n of_o the_o church_n than_o we_o grant_v the_o proposition_n but_o utter_o deny_v the_o assumption_n they_o be_v not_o guide_v by_o the_o spirit_n into_o such_o a_o latin_a edition_n into_o half_a communion_n and_o this_o deny_v his_o proof_n that_o those_o opinion_n be_v true_a because_o they_o be_v lead_v into_o they_o by_o the_o holy_a spirit_n this_o be_v deny_v and_o be_v the_o question_n and_o it_o be_v more_o easy_o say_v that_o the_o holy_a spirit_n be_v with_o we_o by_o common_a assistance_n unto_o our_o opinion_n then_o with_o they_o by_o infallible_a assistance_n unto_o their_o opinion_n if_o we_o be_v to_o judge_n of_o their_o assistance_n by_o the_o effect_n we_o have_v need_n of_o infallible_a assistance_n if_o it_o be_v convenient_a for_o the_o discourse_n to_o conclude_v for_o they_o but_o i_o be_o sure_a we_o have_v no_o need_n of_o infallible_a assistance_n to_o conclude_v against_o they_o neither_o be_v it_o any_o boot_n to_o they_o that_o the_o spirit_n lead_v all_o into_o truth_n for_o this_o may_v be_v limit_v to_o save_a truth_n and_o this_o be_v not_o sufficient_a for_o they_o who_o must_v have_v absolute_a infallibility_n or_o none_o and_o then_o all_o may_v be_v limit_v as_o that_o proposition_n god_n will_v have_v all_o man_n to_o be_v save_v be_v limit_v by_o aquinas_n out_o of_o st._n austin_n by_o the_o like_a such_o a_o schoolmaster_n teach_v all_o in_o the_o town_n whereof_o the_o sense_n be_v this_o not_o that_o he_o teach_v every_o own_o simple_o but_o all_o that_o be_v teach_v be_v teach_v by_o he_o so_o the_o spirit_n all_o lead_n that_o be_v lead_v but_o all_o simple_o be_v not_o lead_v the_o limitation_n then_o in_o regard_n of_o the_o object_n of_o the_o person_n or_o in_o regard_n of_o the_o object_n of_o the_o thing_n cut_v off_o all_o their_o provision_n from_o hence_o and_o when_o we_o have_v sufficient_o refute_v their_o point_n of_o difference_n we_o have_v no_o need_n to_o say_v any_o thing_n that_o the_o holy_a spirit_n shall_v teach_v contradiction_n if_o he_o be_v with_o they_o and_o we_o too_o for_o first_o infallible_a assistance_n be_v assert_v to_o neither_o but_o deny_v and_o common_a assistance_n do_v not_o exclude_v all_o error_n and_o then_o 2._o the_o holy_a spirit_n be_v not_o with_o they_o infallible_o by_o the_o effect_n for_o since_o the_o same_o spirit_n do_v not_o teach_v contradiction_n he_o do_v not_o infallible_o teach_v they_o that_o which_o be_v oposite_a to_o scripture_n which_o he_o do_v teach_v that_o which_o follow_v in_o compare_n of_o the_o visibility_n of_o their_o teacher_n with_o we_o or_o any_o other_o church_n be_v but_o a_o mere_a flourish_n show_v i_o a_o succession_n in_o all_o age_n of_o the_o guide_n and_o lawful_a pastor_n of_o any_o church_n hold_v your_o tenet_n in_o point_n differ_v from_o we_o ans_fw-fr succession_n de_fw-fr se_fw-fr be_v like_o number_n of_o no_o value_n therefore_o they_o must_v prove_v their_o doctrine_n to_o be_v right_a otherwise_o it_o will_v be_v a_o succession_n of_o error_n for_o as_o he_o say_v consuetudo_fw-la sine_fw-la veritate_fw-la est_fw-la vetustas_fw-la erroris_fw-la 2._o it_o be_v accidental_a to_o a_o true_a particular_a church_n to_o have_v succession_n and_o the_o church_n at_o first_o be_v true_a antecedent_o to_o the_o succession_n and_o so_o the_o former_a time_n must_v never_o have_v be_v certain_a of_o their_o be_v right_a because_o a_o persecution_n may_v afterward_o have_v interrupt_v their_o succession_n 3._o the_o heretic_n brag_v of_o their_o sucession_n too_o therefore_o this_o be_v no_o proper_a special_a distinctive_a argument_n 4._o where_o be_v their_o succession_n of_o universal_a bishop_n for_o the_o first_o six_o hundred_o year_n then_o where_o be_v their_o church_n then_o either_o let_v they_o not_o give_v or_o take_v that_o argument_n 5._o our_o opinion_n to_o they_o be_v negative_a then_o they_o be_v to_o show_v a_o positive_a succession_n in_o the_o doctrine_n of_o those_o point_n which_o they_o can_v never_o do_v unless_o by_o their_o infallibility_n post-nate_a antiquity_n shall_v be_v as_o good_a as_o primitive_a for_o as_o for_o the_o father_n of_o the_o pure_a time_n tam_fw-la sunt_fw-la omnes_fw-la nostri_fw-la quam_fw-la d._n augustinus_n i_o be_o sure_a we_o may_v better_o say_v so_o then_o campian_n 6._o we_o can_v show_v our_o doctrine_n by_o scripture_n let_v they_o show_v they_o without_o it_o and_o whatsoever_o be_v according_a to_o scripture_n be_v true_a this_o they_o deny_v not_o our_o doctrine_n be_v yet_o make_v good_a to_o be_v according_a to_o scripture_n therefore_o the_o charter_n of_o our_o point_n we_o have_v the_o record_n of_o in_o scripture_n and_o this_o way_n be_v good_a enough_o for_o we_o which_o be_v a_o posteriori_fw-la and_o yet_o also_o we_o can_v tell_v they_o that_o if_o it_o have_v not_o be_v for_o their_o cruelty_n and_o domination_n we_o may_v better_o have_v return_v they_o that_o which_o st._n austin_n say_v to_o the_o donatist_n vos_fw-la tam_fw-la pauci_fw-la tam_fw-la novi_fw-la tam_fw-la turbulenti_fw-la and_o god_n have_v leave_v we_o in_o all_o age_n of_o greek_n and_o other_o who_o have_v give_v we_o occasion_n to_o say_v we_o hold_v nothing_o in_o the_o point_n of_o difference_n but_o be_v hold_v before_o therefore_o this_o argument_n do_v not_o succeed_v so_o that_o they_o must_v still_o labour_v to_o find_v a_o reason_n why_o our_o doctrine_n shall_v not_o be_v as_o good_a as_o they_o 31._o n._n 31._o the_o sense_n of_o this_o section_n we_o have_v have_v before_o and_o it_o fall_v into_o such_o a_o syllogism_n whatsoever_o be_v god_n end_n in_o give_v of_o pastor_n be_v always_o compass_v that_o the_o church_n shall_v be_v without_o error_n and_o shall_v not_o be_v as_o chidren_n waver_v and_o carry_v about_o with_o every_o wind_n of_o doctrine_n be_v god_n end_n ephes_n 4.12_o ans_fw-fr whatsoever_o be_v god_n end_n be_v always_o compass_v so_o far_o as_o it_o be_v his_o end_n where_o the_o effect_n depend_v not_o also_o upon_o moral_a cause_n take_v it_o so_o and_o we_o grant_v the_o major_a and_o deny_v the_o minor_a it_o be_v not_o god_n end_n that_o the_o church_n shall_v be_v without_o all_o error_n whatsoever_o and_o the_o effect_n do_v depend_v upon_o moral_a cause_n which_o may_v hinder_v the_o success_n the_o end_n of_o the_o sacrament_n in_o the_o time_n of_o the_o gospel_n they_o will_v say_v be_v to_o confer_v grace_n ex_fw-la opere_fw-la operato_fw-la yet_o they_o say_v they_o have_v not_o that_o effect_n ponentibus_fw-la obicem_fw-la or_o thus_o whatsoever_o be_v god_n end_n in_o his_o will_n of_o purpose_n that_o shall_v sure_o be_v compass_v but_o what_o be_v his_o end_n in_o the_o will_n of_o sign_n be_v not_o always_o compass_v take_v it_o then_o in_o the_o latter_a sense_n so_o i_o deny_v the_o major_a take_v it_o in_o the_o former_a sense_n so_o i_o deny_v his_o minor_a for_o this_o will_v be_v more_o unreasonable_a by_o their_o doctrine_n for_o if_o god_n shall_v work_v omnipotent_o to_o secure_a man_n from_o error_n by_o mean_n how_o shall_v the_o obedience_n of_o faith_n be_v bring_v under_o freedom_n of_o will_n 2._o this_o respect_n also_o particular_a church_n and_o therefore_o will_v not_o serve_v their_o turn_n who_o though_o they_o make_v but_o a_o particular_a church_n yet_o be_v wont_a to_o challenge_v the_o privilege_n of_o the_o universal_a 3._o this_o text_n speak_v nothing_o of_o the_o power_n of_o jurisdiction_n but_o of_o the_o power_n of_o order_n now_o the_o duty_n of_o our_o obedience_n beat_v respect_n formal_o to_o authority_n and_o jurisdiction_n or_o do_v they_o like_o some_o of_o geneva_n divide_v pastor_n and_o teacher_n and_o then_o do_v they_o think_v that_o the_o ordinary_a pastor_n be_v here_o principal_o aim_v at_o in_o their_o extraordinary_a
sense_n 4._o the_o end_n of_o pastor_n than_o be_v the_o end_n of_o pastor_n now_o to_o be_v preserve_v by_o infallibility_n of_o pastor_n than_o be_v not_o the_o end_n of_o pastor_n then_o therefore_o not_o now_o the_o major_n be_v true_a by_o they_o because_o they_o apply_v those_o word_n to_o these_o time_n of_o the_o church_n the_o minor_a be_v also_o true_a by_o they_o because_o there_o be_v not_o by_o their_o own_o confession_n council_n hold_v for_o the_o first_o three_o hundred_o year_n the_o assistance_n therefore_o be_v not_o such_o as_o preserve_v from_o all_o error_n and_o last_o if_o we_o be_v to_o be_v preserve_v from_o error_n by_o the_o unanimous_a doctrine_n of_o those_o doctor_n and_o pastor_n we_o shall_v never_o be_v secure_v from_o error_n unless_o in_o those_o point_n wherein_o we_o agree_v 32._o n._n 32._o in_o this_o number_n he_o bring_v es_fw-ge 59.20.1_o compare_v with_o the_o 11._o ch_z to_o the_o rom._n 26._o ver_fw-la ans_fw-fr these_o text_n neither_o disjunctive_o nor_o conjunctive_o be_v sufficient_a for_o his_o intendment_n that_o of_o esay_n be_v plain_o intend_v for_o the_o last_o conversion_n of_o the_o jew_n which_o be_v not_o like_a to_o be_v make_v by_o roman_a mean_n as_o sr._n edwin_n sandys_n note_n in_o his_o survey_n of_o the_o western_a church_n and_o as_o for_o those_o word_n my_o word_n which_o i_o have_v put_v into_o thy_o mouth_n be_v free_a from_o error_n in_o all_o point_v great_a and_o small_a yes_o we_o grant_v it_o this_o do_v not_o contradict_v we_o but_o they_o be_v to_o prove_v that_o whatsoever_o they_o say_v god_n put_v into_o their_o mouth_n again_o it_o respect_v the_o church_n as_o invisible_a and_o that_o conceit_n of_o his_o that_o it_o can_v be_v so_o take_v because_o it_o speak_v of_o the_o word_n not_o depart_v out_o of_o the_o mouth_n be_v not_o solid_a for_o the_o use_n of_o the_o mouth_n may_v be_v there_o for_o confession_n of_o the_o faith_n as_o rom._n 10.10_o with_o the_o mouth_n confession_n be_v make_v to_o god_n now_o this_o respect_v not_o the_o visible_a church_n as_o teach_v but_o the_o invisible_a as_o express_v the_o faith_n of_o the_o heart_n by_o the_o confession_n of_o the_o mouth_n but_o he_o again_o god_n spirit_n or_o word_n be_v not_o in_o a_o mouâ—h_n teach_v error_n ans_fw-fr this_o be_v a_o sophism_n it_o be_v true_a in_o sensu_fw-la composito_fw-la and_o as_o teach_v error_n but_o it_o be_v not_o true_a in_o sensu_fw-la diviso_fw-la god_n spirit_n may_v be_v in_o one_o at_o one_o time_n teach_v truth_n &_o in_o another_o time_n not_o teach_v or_o teach_v not_o truth_n he_o may_v be_v in_o some_o direct_v sufficient_o to_o salvation_n not_o sufficient_o against_o all_o error_n not_o that_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n be_v in_o any_o teach_a error_n operative_o for_o whatsoever_o it_o be_v he_o be_v operative_a to_o in_o point_n of_o belief_n be_v truth_n but_o in_o who_o he_o may_v be_v sometime_o as_o teach_v truth_n he_o be_v sometime_o not_o when_o they_o teach_v error_n for_o this_o si_fw-mi yet_o to_o be_v prove_v by_o they_o that_o whatsoever_o be_v teach_v in_o the_o church_n be_v suggest_v and_o dictate_v by_o the_o spirit_n afterward_o he_o tax_v i_o for_o tax_v any_o of_o come_v near_o to_o blasphemy_n for_o say_v god_n do_v speak_v to_o we_o and_o teach_v we_o by_o his_o church_n which_o he_o say_v here_o be_v refute_v my_o word_n shall_v not_o depart_v out_o of_o thy_o mouth_n ans_fw-fr i_o say_v not_o so_o that_o which_o i_o say_v i_o have_v answer_v upon_o the_o place_n i_o do_v not_o not_o deny_v absolute_o that_o god_n speak_v by_o his_o church_n but_o i_o deny_v that_o he_o speak_v now_o by_o his_o church_n absolute_o god_n may_v speak_v by_o his_o church_n that_o which_o be_v infallible_a and_o yet_o not_o speak_v by_o his_o church_n now_o infallible_o that_o which_o be_v infallible_a in_o the_o principle_n of_o scripture_n not_o infallible_o in_o the_o manner_n of_o deduction_n if_o he_o do_v speak_v always_o and_o always_o infallible_o there_o be_v no_o more_o to_o be_v say_v until_o that_o be_v prove_v we_o say_v much_o be_v suppose_v 33._o n._n 33._o if_o it_o be_v lawful_a i_o may_v smile_v at_o his_o discourse_n in_o this_o number_n out_o of_o the_o next_o ch_z in_o esay_n and_o the_o next_o to_o that_o for_o these_o chapter_n do_v plain_o regard_v the_o church_n as_o invisible_a in_o order_n to_o salvation_n which_o be_v proper_o apply_v to_o the_o church_n as_o such_o and_o this_o be_v more_o than_o truth_n for_o it_o be_v possible_a for_o a_o man_n not_o to_o have_v any_o errrour_n and_o yet_o not_o to_o come_v to_o salvation_n and_o it_o be_v i_o hope_v possible_a for_o a_o man_n to_o come_v to_o salvation_n and_o yet_o to_o have_v some_o error_n but_o that_o this_o shall_v be_v say_v of_o the_o roman_a church_n and_o that_o that_o shall_v teach_v all_o nation_n i_o say_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v not_o the_o church_n of_o jerusalem_n and_o the_o church_n of_o antioch_n before_o they_o nay_o it_o will_v not_o be_v easy_o prove_v by_o they_o that_o they_o be_v christian_n in_o a_o form_a church_n before_o we_o we_o may_v as_o well_o say_v that_o the_o multitude_n of_o the_o isle_n shall_v be_v glad_a thereof_o and_o that_o all_o nation_n and_o kingdom_n which_o shall_v not_o serve_v thou_o shall_v perish_v shall_v be_v mean_v of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v as_o likely_a as_o that_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n shall_v be_v emperor_n of_o the_o world_n as_o they_o pretend_v he_o monarch_n of_o the_o church_n it_o be_v never_o true_a sure_o but_o then_o when_o the_o emperor_n hold_v the_o pope_n stirrup_n and_o the_o duke_n be_v throw_v under_o the_o table_n or_o it_o be_v then_o true_a when_o the_o pope_n be_v the_o sun_n and_o emperor_n the_o moon_n or_o it_o shall_v then_o be_v true_a when_o the_o sun_n rise_v in_o the_o west_n but_o it_o shall_v not_o be_v true_a of_o rome_n i_o think_v because_o it_o be_v say_v the_o day_n of_o thy_o mourning_n shall_v be_v end_v and_o sure_o they_o have_v be_v since_o the_o prophecy_n sometime_o in_o mourning_n and_o at_o least_o shall_v be_v by_o their_o own_o acknowledgement_n in_o the_o time_n of_o antichrist_n and_o that_o this_o shall_v be_v mean_v of_o the_o church_n as_o visible_a because_o it_o be_v say_v thou_o shall_v be_v call_v seek_v out_o be_v a_o slight_a ratiocination_n rather_o the_o contrary_a because_o god_n seek_v it_o out_o therefore_o it_o be_v not_o visible_a because_o it_o be_v call_v hephtziba_n my_o delight_n be_v in_o she_o therefore_o visible_a yea_o rather_o the_o contrary_a for_o god_n delight_n be_v with_o the_o church_n invisible_a because_o when_o his_o delight_n be_v with_o the_o church_n visible_a it_o be_v in_o order_n to_o the_o church_n invisible_a because_o the_o land_n shall_v be_v call_v beulah_n 4_o ch._n 62_o ver_fw-la 4_o therefore_o it_o shall_v be_v the_o church_n visible_a rather_o the_o contrary_a for_o the_o real_a union_n which_o be_v mystical_a of_o christ_n with_o his_o church_n be_v to_o be_v understand_v of_o the_o church_n invisible_a and_o that_o she_o shall_v be_v to_o god_n comfort_n namely_o the_o visible_a and_o the_o roman_a church_n rather_o the_o contrary_a she_o be_v certain_o less_o to_o his_o comfort_n because_o she_o say_v so_o these_o promise_n be_v make_v primary_o to_o the_o church_n as_o invisible_a which_o shall_v be_v gather_v chief_o out_o of_o the_o gentile_n in_o general_a therefore_o let_v they_o again_o remember_v that_o of_o st._n jerom_n in_o his_o epistle_n to_o evagrius_n orbis_n maior_fw-la est_fw-la urbe_fw-la but_o he_o help_v we_o with_o a_o argument_n if_o this_o church_n shall_v at_o any_o time_n fall_v to_o teach_v error_n nation_n shall_v do_v well_o to_o further_o their_o salvation_n by_o forsake_v her_o err_a as_o the_o protestant_n say_v they_o do_v this_o we_o take_v for_o the_o mayor_n and_o we_o assume_v but_o this_o church_n have_v err_v as_o have_v be_v sufficient_o show_v in_o the_o discourse_n of_o other_o and_o competent_o in_o this_o therefore_o be_v we_o justify_v by_o my_o adversary_n and_o among_o the_o error_n quod_fw-la loquor_fw-la inde_fw-la est_fw-la that_o she_o can_v err_v 34._o n._n 34._o in_o this_o he_o obtrude_v again_o that_o of_o dan._n 2.44_o and_o they_o must_v be_v mean_v he_o think_v of_o the_o church_n of_o the_o church_n visible_a of_o the_o visible_a roman_a church_n certaint_o it_o be_v well_o say_v by_o the_o poet_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d which_o we_o may_v go_v near_o to_o english_a thus_o modesty_n be_v unprofitable_a to_o he_o that_o beg_v the_o question_n that_o it_o be_v mean_v of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o christ_n in_o his_o church_n we_o