thus for I wil be brief The Councel of Laodicea though a prouinciall Councell Constant in Trullo Can. 2. yet allowed by a generall Councel of Constantinople did set down the same Canon of the Scriptures which both the old church had and our church doth holde and commandeth Ne aliqui praeterea legantur in auctoritatem recipiantur That none besides be read and receiued into authoritie Canon 47. Sess 3. The third Councel of Carthage which therin the Councel of Trent subscribeth to did adde the bookes of the Maccabees and the rest of the Apocrypha to the olde Canon contrary to the sayd Councels of Laodicea and Constantinople Can. 6. The Councel of Nice appointed boundes and limits aswell for the Bishop of Romes iurisdiction as for other Bishops contrary to which the Councell of Lateran gaue the Souereignty of ordinary power Can. 5. apud Innocent 3. to the church of Rome Conc. Conâ—tant as it is extant Nice 2. Act. 6. Tom. 6. ouer all Churches The Councel of Constantinople condemned the setting vp of Images contrary to which The Councell of Nice Aen. Sylu. de Conc. Basil contr Flor. Perrar Conc. Constant Sess 4. 5. accurseth those that worship not holy images I will inlarge this part no further though I could shewe that some Councels haue decréed That the Councell is aboue the Pope some that the Pope is aboue the Councel The next is thus prooued First this is an infallible rule That Councels decréeing things contrary as is instanced in these few examples before It must of necessitie follow that the one of them must erre yet wil I prooue it by some more particulars The second Councel of Nice decréed Act. 5. That Angels and mens soules are bodily circumscriptible and yet this Councel notwithstanding this grosse error was confirmed by the Councell held at Constantinople which Pope Agatho hath allowed for a generall Councel In the Councell of Neocesaria confirmed by Leo the 4. second mariage is forbidden Canon 7. The Canon saith he is commanded to enioyne penance for second mariage The Councel of Toletan saith Tolet. 1. Can. 17. He that hath not a wife but in stead of his wife a concubine is not for this cause to be repelled the communion This Councell was confirmed by Leo â—s it may appeare Canon 21. In the sixt generall Councel Can. 72. the mariages betwixt Catholikes and Heretikes are iudged to be voide Now whether these be grosse and manifest errors I referre it to the censure of any indifferent Reader But these absurdities they are forced to giue way to or else to ouerthrowe that maine pillar of Popery That the Church cannot erre The last part which I promised to shewe is That Councels are reiected by the Papists This is prooued for that many things are reiected by them in both the said Exceptions But I will instance some few more Andradius the defender of the Tridentine Councell in his first booke reiecteth the Councell of Chalcedon one of those first foure Councels which Gregorie professeth to receiue as the holy Gospels saying This Councell erred in that it did rashly and without reason ordaine That the Church of Constantinople should be aboue the Church of Alexandria and Antioch Conc. Chal. de Laicis ca. 20. Praefat. in li de pont Bellarmine saith That in the Councell of Chalcedon there is somthing good and something euill and that we may receiue the one and refuse the other And in another place he dispenseth with himselfe to reproue in the samâ— manner the Councell of Constantinople for hauing attempted somewhat that did not â—lease the Church of Rome Bellar. de Conc. eccles li 10. ca. 60.70 Pighi Hier. eccles li. 6. cap. 4. 5. 7. And he reiecteth wholly seuen general Councels Reade likewise what Pighius hath written of purpose â—o discredit the sixt and seuenth Synodes And â—e impugneth the Councel of Constance and Basil Now though we haue prooued the thrée parâ—icularities proposed wherein our lawful and â—â—st ExceptioÌ„s against Councels are euident â—et let vs sée whether our assertioÌ„ in this point â—e iustified both by the Fathers and chiefe and â—earned Papists Saint Augustine sayth That generall Councels are often amended the former by â—he later and if our aduersaries obiect That â—hey are amended but not from errors What â—éede amending where no fault is The conâ—itions which S. Augustine repeateth in the â—â—rst indureth to the last Si quid fortè à veritaâ—e deuiatum est If in ought they swarne from â—he trueth And it is manifest by the drift of â—he place writing against the Donatists Epist 7◠〈◊〉 Iubai that maintained the authority of the Councel holâ—en by S. Cyprian against the trueth that hée speaketh manifestly of Correction of errors â—nd not of things indifferent as the Papists â—lose to maintaine their error That generall Councels cannot erre In Epist ad procopi The Arrians preuailed so by Councels that it made Gregorie Nazianzen to despaire that euer any good would bee done by Councels Saint Augustine rehearsing two Episcopall iudgements Epist 16.7 that passed against the Donatists in the Councels at Rome and Arle he sheweth how Councels might bind vs But saith he let these be counted the iudgements of men and let it be said They might either deceiue or be deceiued and perhaps corrupted Saint Augustine hauing shewed that thâ— Councell of Ariminum being deceiued by the subtilty of a fewe decréed against the Councel of Nice which had decréed against the Arrian Heretikes Cont. Maxi. li. 3. ca. 14. concludeth thus against Maximinus But now neither ought I to producâ— the Councell of Nice nor you the Councell oâ— Ariminum for a preiudice for neither am I bound to the authoritie of this nor you to thâ— authoritie of that Thus you sée he confesseth that his aduersarie was not tied to the authoritie of the great Nicen Councel comparablâ— to the which no Councel was euer yet Yea S Hillarie was nothing afraid to be condemneâ— in many Councels Hillar cont Auxent Arrian Now let him gather whaâ— Councels he will against me saith he and openly proscribe me for an Heretike as he had often done The Arrians in 26 yéers Euseb li. 7. cap. 5. gathered framed sundry Councels for their purpose at Tyrus Ierusalem Philippi Sirmium Ariminum Sozom. li. 4. ca. 9. Selucia Constantinople and two at Antiochia In the Councell of Millan aboue thrée hundred of the West Bishops consented that Athanasius should bee thrust from his Bishopricke There was but fiue against thrée hundred that openly and plainely withstood it And Leo writeth of the famous Councell of Chalcedon Tanquam refutari nequeat quod illicitè voluerit multitudo In Epist 52. ad Anatholium As though that might not be refuted which a multitude hath vnlawfully decreed Yea Panor de Elect electi potestate c. significasti your owne men haue béen of the
And Saint Iohn witnesseth that our Sauiour Christ saith Iohn 6.53 Except yee eate the flesh of the sonne of man and drinke his blood you haue no life in you and many other testimonies which I omit It wil conuince the Councell of Nice of error in decréeing for the worship of Images contrary to the second commandement But what shall I néede to descend to particularities it will conuince your late Councell of Trent and all other Councels in all those points of doctrine wherein you varie from vs if any Papist dare vndertake to bring the controuersies betwéene vs to that triall And surely since they will seeme to bring Scriptures to prooue the authoritie of the church and that the church cannot erre I sée no reason why they should refuse to make them iudge of all differences betwéene vs. But I maruell they vrge these places of Scripture to prooue that the church representatiue cannot erre séeing they are not able to shew that any one ancient Father hath so vnderstood them or that the whole church is represented in a generall Councell Name one Father that is ancient and not counterfeit for your credit sake that hath interpreted these places of Scripture or any other in that case as you doe If you cannot the world may iustly holde you for wranglers and abusers both of Scriptures and Fathers But let vs a little examine the force of those Scriptures which if they were all granted make nothing against vs if they bee rightly vnderstood The first is When two or thrée are gathered together c. This place is as pregnant for two or thrée faithfull men assembled in Christs name as to a Nationall or a Prouinciall Councell Neither doeth it giue any greater priuiledge to a Generall Councell than it doeth vnto them Bellar. li. 1. de Conc. ca. 12. though it bee alleaged by Bellarmine as the ground for the authorising of Councels All which promise notwithstanding your selues grant That both Nationall and Prouinciall Councels may erre The next place is the sixtéenth of Iohn where the holy Ghost is promised to the Apostles to leade them into all trueth which spirit of trueth is promised to the church and to euery particular member thereof for whome our Sauiour Christ prayeth saying Sanctifie them in thy trueth thy worde is trueth Ioh. 17.17.19 20. And againe I pray not for these alone but for them also that shall beleeue in mee through their worde But what maketh this for generall Councels more then the whole church or euery faithfull member thereof For although this prooueth that the holy Ghost shall euer remayne with the church and with euery true member of the same yet must wee not hereof conclude though it bee as pregnant for euery faithfull particular man as for the whole That either euery member of Christ or euerie Pastor that is the Apostles successour cannot erre Neither is this to be restrained to generall Councels or to the Pope neither must wee thinke that any visible Church may challenge all priuiledges that the Apostles had as necessary to the conuersion of the world Rhem. Test Iohn 16. But your Rhemists will tell you that to teach all trueth and to preserue in trueth and from error the holy Ghost is promised and performed onely to the Church and the choice gouernour and generall Councels Vpon which the Papists conclude that if the Church cannot erre the gouernours of the church cannot erre Is not this substantiall reasoning The whole church cannot erre Ergo the Pastors and preachers cannot erre Deale plainely and directly Do you hereby conclude that all Pastors cannot erre or that no Pastor can erre For to say that no Pastor can erre were apparant madnesse and to say that all Pastors cannot erre stands you in no stead neither is this a good argument The whole Church cannot erre that is all and euery faithfull cannot erre Ergo all Pastors cannot erre This is no kind of consequent for some of the faithfull may be directed to the trueth and they no Pastors nor preachers and many preachers may be preserued from error and they no Bishops and many Bishops may kept in the faith and they not assembled And a great number of those that be assembled may be righty affected and yet not the most part of them And the greater side may be well disposed and yet not the Bishop of Rome without whose confirmation you hold no Councell lawfull And therefore this argument is very childish The whole Church cannot erre Ergo Generall Councels cannot erre and specially the Pope of whom wee shall speake more particularly hereafter neither hath the holy Ghost filled with the vnmeasurable abundance of grace any but Christ Iohn 3.34 Iohn 1.16 for God giueth not the spirit by measure to him of whose fulnesse wee all receiue And it may well bee gathered from the Scriptures 2. Cor. 10.13 Eph. 4.7 that though the holy Ghost be giuen to the Elect yet hee hath giuen it by measure as I may say with Saint Paul not to this end that they may not erre but that they may not erre to death For what thing soeuer is receiued of another it is receiued according to the capacitie of that which receiueth it The last is the 1. Tim. 3.15 The Church is the pillar and ground of trueth therefore it cannot erre If this argument were granted would it follow hereupon that general Councels could not erre but this is sufficiently refuted before And you knowe that Peter was a pillar of trueth and yet hee erred and was reprooued by Saint Paul Gal. 2. yea your Diuines of Paris Articuli Parisienses but lately resolued that Peter erred in faith when Paul reprooued him And the very drift and scope of the place sheweth That Timothie is not sent by Saint Paul to the church to learne his duety but to the Scripture These things write I vnto thée sayth hee hoping to come shortly but if I tarie long that thou mayest knowe how thou oughtest to behaue thy selfe in the house of God which is the church of the liuing GOD the pillar and ground of trueth This church then which Timothie was conuersant in is the church of Ephesus called by S Paul The pillar and ground of trueth But this church of Ephesus hath condemned the doctrine of the Popes supremacie Conc. Flor. Sess vlt. Chalcocondylas de Reb. Turc lib. 6. to which other churches of the East haue likewise condescended Therefore if that be true still which the Church teacheth because S. Paul calleth it the pillar and ground of trueth then the doctrine of the Popes supremacie is wicked and Papistrie is heresie yea euen this church notwithstanding it was called the pillar and ground of trueth is now left desolate to Mahomets wicked impietie But let vs sée by some few testimonies of the Fathers how they haue expounded this place and whether they haue applied it to generall Councels as the Papists do and not
you séene briefly A view of the weaknesse of the Grounds wheron the Papists build their Religion which in a word is The Popes good pleasure And notwithstanding I haue in this small Tract layd downe our iust Exceptions both against Fathers and Councels yet would I haue none rashly to censure that we reiect al the Fathers and Councels for we imbrace them as wholesome meanes by which great light hath béene brought to the Church of God both in the Exposition of the Scriptures and the abolishing and confuting of Heresies But wee reiect with great reason the partiality that is now vsed in calling of Councels which must now only be done by the Pope of which he onely must be President and Iudge contrary to the order of the first 4. Generall Councels which Gregory professeth to receiue as the 4. holy Gospels Neither is any thing of force that is now decréed in Councel vnles it be confirmed by the Pope though in the first 4. Councels the Pope was neither President by himselfe nor his Legates neither needed they his confirmation Besides the whole order of Councels are now inuerted by the Popes contrary both to the institution of the Apostles in the first Councel holden by them â—ct 15.22 â—3 and to all antiquity For now none must haue determining voyces but the Bishops and they must sweare and take this oath before they sit in Councel the forme whereof thus followeth â—ecret li. 2. â—r 24. ca. 4. I R.N. will be faithfull from henceforth to S. Peter and to the holy Church of Rome and to my lord Boniface the Pope to his successors chosen Canonically and I will bee an helper to defend against all the world the Popedome or papall superioritie and the rules of the holy Fathers So God mee helpe and the holy Gospel According to that detestable clause annexed to the Decrees of reformation in the Councel of Trent Ses 7. in prooe Seâ— 25. de Reformat ca. vlt. Salua semper in omnibus authoritate sedis Apostolicae Prouided alwayes that the Popes authority be safe and no way preiudiced So that still he will alwaies haue a non obstante notwithstanding any law to the contrary to breake through all lawes to doe what he list But to conclude wee acknowledge according to the Scriptures That there are two sorts of iudgements in the Church of God The one priuate and the other publike priuate to all the faithful and spirituall 1 Cor. 2.15 10.15 Ioh. 4.1 as God calleth them who are willed to iudge of that which is taught and to trie the Spirits whether they be of God Publike to the asssmbly of the Pastors and Elders Act. 15.6 1. Cor. 14. for of that which Prophets teach let Prophets iudge And the spirits of the Prophets are subiect to the Prophets In all which the Scripture is the rule by which the Church must be directed neither hath she other authority than the ministery of giuing iudgement For the Soueraignty of iudgement must rest on Gods word Mat. 22.10 Iam. 4.12 For Christ is our only Doctor Lawgiuer The Lord open your eyes that you may sée the Truth and be thankefull to God FINIS An Abstract of the chiefe Points of this booke FIrst That all the Fathers do with general consent attribute all sufficiencie to the Scriptures making them the Rule of faith and the absolute meanes to determine all doubts and controuersies preferring them before the Church and all other writings of men whatsoeuer and further that the Church is no otherwise to be shewed or knowen but by the Canonicall Scriptures and that themselues and their opinions without the Scriptures are not to bee beleeued but reiected See the Preface and pag. 15. 16. 17. 18. 19. 45. 46. 47. 52. 2 That the Scriptures are to be expounded by the Scriptures and that we are not tied for the exposition thereof to any Father Councell or Pope And that no Papist can shew the consent of the Fathers that the scriptures are to be expouÌ„ded by any Father Councell or Pope See pag. 88. 89. 90. 91. 3 That the Fathers agree with vs taking the greater part in approouing those Scriptures which the Protestants doe to be Canonicall and in reiecting those which we do for Apocrypha See pag. 4. 5. 4 That the Fathers take the word Tradition sometimes for the Scriptures sometimes for the Customes and Ceremonies of the Church and the Papists which vrge them for matter of doctrine vnwritten and to bee of equall authoritie with the Scriptures doe depraue the Fathers making their doctrines contrary one to another yea contrary to themselues See the Preface 5 That chiefe Papists and pillars of Popery haue confessed that many and most of the doctrines wherein they varie from vs are grounded vpon Traditions And that it is extreame madnesse to thinke that the whole and entire body of Euangelical doctrine is to bee fetched out of the Apostolike writings and out of that little Booke of the New Testament In which doctrine they goe wholly against the streame of the Fathers and also discouer their abusing of the simplicity of their followers when they make them beleeue the greatest difference betweene them and vs is touching the sense of the Scriptures whereas by this their confession this consequent necessarily followeth That where there is no Text there needes no Interpreter See the Preface 6 That the Papists haue vttered open blasphemy in their bookes against the Scriptures in taxing them of insufficiencie in tearming them a Nose of waxe Inkie diuinitie dumbe Iudges no better than Aesops Fables without the authority of the Church That they take their authority from the Church That sometimes they are to bee expounded one way sometimes another That the Scriptures must folow the Church and not the Church the Scriptures preferring the authoritie of the Church aboue and against the Scriptures All which blasphemies are refuted not onely by the direct texts of Scripture but by the generall consent of the Fathers See the Preface 7 That the Papists vrge the credit of the Fathers for the receiuing of Traditions and though there be many Traditions which by the Fathers testimony haue the same authoritie to prooue them to be Apostolike that the others haue Yet the Papists receiue the one and reiect the other See pag. 12. 13. 8 That the Fathers haue held diuers errors vpon which it necessarily followeth that if they might erre in one thing they might erre in another And that their iudgements are often reiected by the Papists and therefore may with as great reason be reiected by vs and consequently are no perfite Rule to build our Religion on which euen the Fathers themselues confesse See pag. 20. 21. 22 23. 16. 17. 9 That there be many Counterfeits that haue vsurped the names of auncient Fathers wherby it is hard to discerne when a true Father and when a false speakes And though some of these Fathers be censured for counterfeits
rather to the whole Church consisting of the faithfull as the Protestants vnderstand it S. August saith Aug. in Psal 47. in prâ—ef We may not vnderstand the second of the Sabbath to be any other than the Church of Christ yet the Church of Christ in the Saints the church of Christ in those that are not ouercome with the tentations of this wicked world for they are worthy the name of firmament Therfore the church of Christ is called the firmament in those that are firme which is saith hee the Church of the liuing God the pillar and firmament of trueth Aug. de Bap li. 7. cap 3 Tom. 6. The like saying hath S. Augustine in many other places but specially where he writeth against the Donatists Saint Chrysostome expoundeth this place of the verity it selfe Chrys Hoâ— 11 in 1. Tim. 3. and not of the Pastors or Councels as the Papists do For sayth he the verity of the church is both the pillar and the firmament And if you will sée that the Fathers haue vnderstood the church as the Protestants do reade S. Augu. Enchirid. â— Laurent caâ— 56. expounding the Articles of the Créed where he saith that the Church is here to be taken for the whole not for that part onely which is a stranger vpon earth Aug. in Psal 137. Againe he saith There is a Church beneath there is a Church aboue the Church beneath in all the faithfull c. Ibid. Psal 90. Conc. 2. Likewise the whole church euery where diffused is the body of Christ and hee is the head of it Not onely the faithfull which are now but also they that were before vs from the beginning of the world and they that shall be after vs to the ende of the world doe all pertaine to this bodie The church is the bodie of Christ not the church which is here or there but which is here and euery where thorowout the world c. And often times in his writings he affirmeth the Catholike church to consist of all the predestinate De ciuitat Dei li. 21. ca. 25. de Bapt. â—i 6. ca. 3. In Iohn Tract 45. which are the members of Christs mysticall bodie and that no wicked men perteine vnto it but only the good holy and iust But to conclude this point with one whom you haue euer reputed your owne Anselmus super hunc locum saith The house in which God dwelleth is the whole congregation of the faithfull who are to be taught diuersly and the same Church is in the perfect a pillar that is sublime streight inconcussible supporting and lifting vp the yonger sort and in the same perfect it is the firmament of trueth because both by words and examples it confirmeth in the hearts of the weake the veritie of faith and Gods commandements Thus you sée the Church is by these testimonies vnderstood to be the congregation of the faithfull and not generall Councels or Pope And it is truely gathered out of these words of Anselmus which are to be taught that the church consisteth aswell of the Laity as the Cleargie Now if you will see how the church may be knowen Chrysostome saith Hom. in Mat. 49 Before it might be shewed many waies which was the church of Christ But nowe it is no way to be knowen but onely by the Scriptures S. Augustine saith as we may truely say of the Papists Let the Donatists saith he shew their church De vnitat eccles ca. 16. not in the rumors and speaches of the men of Africa nor in the Councels of their Bishops nor in their discourses of any writer whosoeuer nor in signes and miracles that may be forged but in the prescript of the law in the predictions of the Prophets in the verses of the Psalmes in the voices of the shepheard himselfe in the preachings and workes of the Euangelist that is in all the Canonicall authorities of the sacred Scriptures And binding himselfe to the same condition he addeth But whether they hold the Church Ibidem let them shew no otherwise than by the Canonical books of the holy scriptures because wee our selues doe not say wee must therefore bee beléeued for that wee are in the church of Christ or else for that Optatus Ambrose and infinite other Bishops of our communion haue commended the church which we hold or because our Church hath béen published in the Councels of our Collegues Chrysost in Mat. Hom. 16. Chrysostome sayth Euen so touching this new Ierusalem which is the Church they that were spiritual Christian men leauing the bodily church which the wicked by violence had inuaded departed out froÌ„ them Or as S. Iohn expoundeth it they rather departed out froÌ„ vs for hee séemeth not indeed to depart from the church that bodily departeth but he that spiritually leaueth the foundations of the Ecclesiastical truth We haue departed froÌ„ them in body they haue departed from vs in mind we from them in place they from vs by faith we haue left with them the foundations of the wals they with vs the foundations of the scriptures we are departed froÌ„ them in the sight of man they are departed froÌ„ vs in the iudgement of God But now after that the spirituall church is come forth the bodily church is left forsaken that is to say froÌ„ the people that séemed to be a christian people was not this people is gone forth that séemed not outwardly but was so indéed notwithstanding as we haue said before they are rather departed from vs than we from them Now let the indifferent Reader iudge by Chrysostomes iudgement whether the Papists or we by this description may be truliest reputed the true church for I thinke it is euident to all that they haue the foundations of the wals and we the foundations of the Scriptures which they so blasphemously speak of we are departed froÌ„ them in the sight of man but they froÌ„ vs in the sight of God who they were that séemed to be a christian people and were not let that be tried by the Scriptures And if you wil know what authority the Fathers giue to the church S. Aug. saith Cont. Crescâ— li. 2. ca. 21. Idem oper imperf in Mat. Ho. 49 The church may not preferre her selfe before Christ neither may we beleeue the true churches themselues vnles they say do those things that are consonant to the scriptures The church may not preferre her self before Christ Idem contrâ— Crescon li 2 cap. 21. for so much as hee alwaies iudgeth rightly ecclesiastical Iudges as being but men are often deceiued Many be the testimonies that might be brought to this purpose but to procéed we make the same iust exceptions against general Councels that we did against the Fathers First we will prooue that they are contrary one to another Secondly that they haue erred And lastly that they are reiected by the Papists Canon 59. The first Exception I prooue
same opinion with vs. Panormitane the best of your Canonists yea a reuerend Archbishop and a renowmed Cardinall saith A Councel may erre as otherwise a Councel hath erred about mariage to be contracted betwéene the Rauisher the Rauished and the saying of Hierome as being of the sounder opinion was after preferred before the Statute of the Councel And the argument which Papists make That the church should faile in faith if Councels should erre he reiecteth as friuolous saying Panor ibid. It hindereth vs little if it be said that a Councel cannot erre because Christ prayed for his Church that it should not faile For though a generall Councell represent the whole vniuersall Church yet to speake trueth the vniuersall Church is not there precisely but by representation because the vniuersall Church consisteth of all the faithfull And this is the Church which cannot erre c. Pighius Hieraâ— eccl li. 6. ca. 4. 5. Pighius saith it is certaine that Councels are not the vniuersall Church In none of all the generall Councels shall you find the fathers to haue arrogated thus much to themselues as to say they represented the Catholike Church besides these two last Councels of Constance and Basil which we now impugne And that General Councels may erre he sayth Li. 6. ca. 13. It is certaine that not onely these Councels of Constance and Basil which we now disproue haue shamefully absurdly erred but also many others And againe We find that General Councels euen of holy Fathers haue erred in decrees of faith for example of General Councels The Councell of Ariminum vniuersall no doubt and also the second Councel of Ephesus and that likewise vniuersall These I say are witnesses That euen general Councels and those lawfully gathered may erre The Bishops that were present at Ephesus commplained after in the Councell of Chalcedon Chalced. Conc. Act. 1. that they were threatned and forced Now if Bishops may be forced they may likewise bee circumuented as they were in the Councel of Ariminum or deceiued in opinion as they were in the Councels of Carthage Constance and Basill by the confession of learned Papistes themselues And if they may by all these wayes bee peruerted when they are assembled Ergo they may make both an erronious an iniurious conclusion Wherefore since it appeares euidently by this little that hath béene sayd That Generall Councels are no infallible rule to build our faith on What must wee then doe to finde out a sure Ground whereupon to ground our Religion Papist The last and onely meanes without all exception is the Pope whose faith cannot faile neither can he erre iudicially So that whether with the Councels or without the Councels That which he determineth and teacheth is a certaine trueth That which hee condemneth is a manifest Error Protestant 19 This aunswere doeth manifest to all that are not wilfully blinde that what brags soeuer you make of Fathers and Councels who as Campian boasted in his tenne Reasons were al as sure on your side as Pope Gregory the thirtéenth that yet yet the Pope is the man vpon whom you ground your Religion neither estéeming Fathers Councels or the learned of your owne side further than they may stand and concurre with the Popes good pleasure which by this little Tract may euidently be deduced For first you ground your Religion on the Word the Word on the Fathers the Fathers on Councels and the Councels on the Pope So that in all the controuersies betwéene vs and you we must stand to the censure of your Pope who must be both Iudge and partie And if he giue iudgement on our side I will neuer trust him But to ouerthrowe this pillar of Popery thorowly I will prooue that the Pope hath erred iudicially â—hâ— Test â—uk 22. â—ect 11. For albeit they confesse that the Pope may be an Heretike yea that Liberius the Pope might yéeld in persecution Marcellinus the Pope for feare might commit idolatrie Honorius the Pope might fal to heresie and more than all this that some Iudas might créepe into the office as their Rhemists confesse yet they distinguish betwéene the person and the office And as their last shift and refuge hauing béen driuen by force of reason and examples to acknowledge thus much They now insist vpon this last anchor as their last hope to auoide shipwracke That the Pope cannot erre iudicially that is in their Consistories Courts Councels decrées deliberations or consultations kept for decision and determination of such controuersies doubts or Questions of faith as shall be proposed to them Now what wrangling and shifting is this to aske for the place where and the time when the Pope decréed for error For if he may erre at home he may likewise erre abroad If the Pope be an Heretike in his chamber hee cannot bee a Catholike in his Consistorie And if the Pope may beléeue defend and preach an error what néede we care whether his sentence be conclusiue or perswasiue definitiue or interlocutorie And if you thinke that this idle distinction can frée your Pope from his errors because thy haue not been definitiuely pronounced in their publike Consistories wee could name infinite Bishops and churches that haue not erred in this precise maner For how can you prooue that euer the Bishops of Yorke or Durham in England of Poycters or Lions in France of Valeria or Corduba in Spaine of Rauenna or Rhegium in Italy of Corinth or Athens in Greece of Miletus or Sardis in Asia gaue definitiue sentence against the faith in their publike Consistories Infinite others might be obiected against whom it could neuer bee proued that they haue erred in this kind and therfore this cannot but be a strong Bulwark wheron you depend boast That it cannot be prooued that the Bishop of Rome hath erred iudicially or definitiuely For if Popes haue erred in writing and teaching they were as right Heretikes as euer were Arrius Sabellius Nestorius Eutiches and such like which neuer gaue Definitiue sentence against the faith in Courts and Consistories but onely taught or wrote against the trueth But this new Popery was not then nor many yéeres after found out though the quaint Iesuits haue of late refined their late Poperie to giue a colour to the Popes priuiledge And albeit this were sufficient yet will I briefly procéede and prooue that the Pope hath erred Definitiuely or Iudicially as his Decretals which are Definitiue sentences shall euidently prooue In Chronic. Supputat Romanor poÌ„t de Reg. â—tal li. 6. First Sigebert Martinus Polonus and Sigonius doe witnesse that Pope Stephen the 6. decréed in a Councel That they who were ordained Bishops by Pope Formosus were not ordained lawfully because the man was wicked by whome they were ordained And hee did not onely depriue and vnordaine them who were ordeined by Formosus but he decréed too as Sigebert noteth Ordinationes eius omnes irritaâ— esse debere decernit That all
make That the various meanes of determination triall and declaration of the trueth is necessary for the recouery of Heretikes and for the contentation of the weake who not alwaies giuing ouer to one mans determination wil either yéeld to the iudgement of all the learned men and Blshops of all Nations or else remaine desperate For since there is so variable censures of Councels Aene. Sylu. de Concil Basil contr Flor. Ferrar in Conc. indict Concil Const Sess 4. 5. some holding the Pope to bee aboue the Councell and some holding the Councell to be aboue the Pope If this point be soundly prooued That Peters Sée hath so the assistance of the holy Ghost that it cannot erre all other causes of the necessitie of Fathers or learned Bishops of all Nations is superfluous for if the priuiledge of not erring belong to the Pope and his successors why is it made common to them with the rest of the Church If it appertaine to the whole Church why is it appropriated to the Pope But why doe they bring Scriptures to prooue this speciall priuiledge to belong to the Pope Séeing Canus and Bellarmine two great Champions of the Romish Church doe both confesse that It is not in the Scripture but by Tradition that the Pope hath this supremacie Locor Theolo li 6. c. 8. First Canus doth graunt That it is not written in the Scriptures that the Pope succeedeth Peter in the supremacie And Bellarmine the great Iesuite sayth That whereas Canus thought that the stories haue sufficient ground to conuey Peters right vnto the Pope because they say Peter set his chaire at Rome there died yet sayth he Controu 4. q. 5. de pont finitae 26. Maij. An. 1578. if learned men shall not allow of that Another ground may bee that the Church receiued it though not by Scripture yet by Tradition And to put the matter out of controuersie he defineth that indeed it is a Tradition not of Christ Licet Romanos Episcopos Petro succedere in sacris libris nō habeatur Scriptum ab Apostolis tamen Ecclesiae quasi per Manus Traditum est Romanum pontificem esse Petri successorem in pontificatu totius orbis habetur extraditione Apostolica etri but of the Apostles and lest we should doubt of which of the Apostles he nameth the man Peter euen a tradition of Peter And therefore if you will follow the iudgement of this learned Iesuite which you all receiue with so great applause then renounce the vnlearned follies of your Rhemists and others who violently wrest the Scriptures to prooue the Popes priuiledge For when you vrge these places Thou art Peter and on this rocke c. and I haue prayed for thee Peter and Peter feede my sheepe You presume much of the simplicitie of your hearers otherwise you would neuer reason so absurdly For though Stapleton and some others vpon the 16. of Matth. by these words Thou art Peter c. alleage the first Popes of Rome most holy martyrs to prooue the Popes Supremacie by the Scriptures and do reckon vp Anacletus Alexander the 1. Pius the 1. Victor Zepherinus Marcellus Melchiades Locor Theolo li. 6. c. 8 Bellar. cont 4. q. 5. Iulius and others yet doeth Canus and Bellarmine prooue that it is grounded on Tradition and Canus doth cite for witnesses therof the first Popes of Rome most holy martyrs And the same Popes which are alleaged by Canus to prooue the Supremacie to be an vnwritten trueth the very same Popes are alleaged by Stapletō to proue that It is written euen Anacletus Victor Zepherinus Marcellus Melchiades Iulius yea the very same Epistles are alleaged by Stapletō which are alleaged by Canus Now if they be rightly cited by Canus how may we trust Stapletō if rightly by Stapl. how may we trust Canus if rightly by both what trim Popes are they the with one breath do say That the same thing is both written and vnwritten But the Iesuite dealeth more warily who séeing the danger of naming speciall men and places doeth shrowde himselfe in the generall tearmes of Councels Popes and Fathers Thus you sée how the Lord doth sheath the swords of the Madianites in their owne sides Iudg. 7.22 But let vs sée how the Fathers vnderstood these Scriptures that are brought to priuiledge the Pope from erring and set downe their sayings at large though we haue briefly before in the 14. Question part 3 vrged their authorities Aug. de ver Domini secundū Mat. serm 13. S. Augustine expoundeth the first place thus Thou art Peter saith Christ and vpon this Rocke which thou hast confessed vpon this Rocke which thou hast acknowledged by saying Thou art Christ the Sonne of the liuing God wil I build my Church that is vpon my selfe the Sonne of the liuing God will I build my Church I wil build thee vpon me not my selfe vpon thee S. Hillary saith Hillar de Trin. li. 30 This onely is the immoueable foundation This onely is the happy rocke of faith which was confessed by Peters mouth Thou art the Son of the liuing God Then vpō this rock of cōfession standeth the building of the Church Ambr. in 2. ca. epist ad Ephe. Saint Ambrose saith The Lord saith to Peter Vpon this rocke will I build my Church that is in this confession of the Catholike faith Faith therefore is the foundation of the Church for it was not spoken of Peters flesh but of faith That hell gates should not preuaile against it but that confession conquered hell Chrys Hom. 55. in Mat. Chrysostome sayth Vpon this Rocke will I build my Church that is vpon this faith and confession Bed in ca. 21. Iohan. Bede likewise Vpon this Rocke which thou hast confessed will I build my Church That Rocke was Christ vpon the which foundation euen Peter himselfe was to be builded 1. Cor. 3. These Fathers meane as Saint Paul doth saying Another foundation can no man lay than that which is already layd which is Iesus Christ Others there are of the Fathers that applie this rocke to Peter but not as though he alone were the foundation but including the rest with him Hiero. lib. 1. aduer Iouin As for example Saint Hierom saith Thou wilt say the Church is built on Peter notwithstanding the selfe same in another place is done vpon al the Apostles and they all receiue the Keyes of the kingdome of heauen and the stedfastnesse of the Church is equally setled vpon them Origen sayth If onely vpon Peter Origen in 16. Math. Tract 1. thou thinkest the whole Church to be built what wilt thou say to Iohn and euery of the Apostles shall wee dare say that against Peter onely the gates of hell shall not preuaile And that also vpon this Rocke I will builde my Church For if this speach To thee will I giue the Keyes of the kingdome of heauen be common to all why then should
not all that which goeth before and followeth after as spoken to Peter be common to them all The next place is I haue prayed for thee Peter c. What then shall wee conclude hereof that Peter and his successours cannot fayle in any point of faith wherein they giue definitiue sentence and that the Pope cannot erre iudicially No but hereby is meant a liuely Christian faith which is not our priuate exposition as they commonly obiect against vs but the iudgement of Austin Aug. de correp gratia ca. 8. Chrys Hom. 83. in Mat. 72. in Iohn Prosper de vocatione gent. c. 24. Theoph. in Luk. 22. Chrysostome Prosper and Theophilact who all doe vnderstand by faith in that place a liuely Christian faith and say That Christ prayed that Peter might continue therein to the end which grace neither they nor any Father sayth that all the Popes haue Nay your Doctors Turrec in sum de eccle ca. 12. Can. locor Theo. li. 6. cap. 1. Bellar. cont 4 par 2. q. 1. In annot Luk. 22. Bed in Gal. 2 Theophil in Luc. 23. Chrysost in Mat. Ho. 83. Turrecremata Canus Bellarmine and your Rhemists confesse the contrary As I saith Bede speaking in the person of Christ haue by prayers protected thy faith lest by temptation of Satan it should haue failed so thou also remember to lift vp and cōfort thy weake brethren by example of thy repentance lest peraduenture they should despaire of pardon And our Sauiour Christ did by these wordes put him in mind of his fall to coole the heate of pride and vainglory if I may so say with Theophilact and Chrysostome Fulk in Rhem. Test in Luk 22. Sectin And S. Basil citeth this text to prooue that we ought to pray for them that are sought in tēptations In these words you sée are taught the duety of Peter of euery Christian man in the like case no prerogatiue either for Peter or his successors And vpon that place Feed my sheepe the Fathers build no prerogatiue of Peter but rather do interpret it of his loue duty as S. Augustine Aug. 123. in Ioh Tract Cyril li. 12. ca. 46. in Ioh. Chrysost in Ioh. Ho. 87. Cyril and Chrysostome doe expound the place where to a thréefold denial is rendred a thréefold confession lest his tongue should be lesse seruiceable to loue than it was to feare And there is a reason giuen according to the Scripture why Peter should loue more because he had offended more for to whō more is remitted he ought to loue more as Cyril saith So that out of the iudgement of these Fathers Peters offence to be greater than the rest may better be proued than any prerogatiue to Peter or the Pope Fulk in Rhe. Test in Ioh. 21 sect 4. sée their testimonies more largely set downe by D. Fulke against the Rhemists yea this point is so cléere that it is confirmed by the testimonie of chiefe and learned Papists themselues Alfonsus saith Alfons li. 1. ca. 4 caus 24. q. Euery man may erre in faith euen the Pope himselfe and the same is confessed by the best of your side both Canonists and Diuines De Flect C. Significast Panormitane saith A Councel may condemne the Pope of Heresie as appeareth in in the 40. dist ca. Si Papa where it is saide That the Pope may be an Heretike and iudged of Heresie Alfonsus saith The Pope may erre in faith Alfons li. 1. cap. 7. as the truer opinion is euen of them that fauour the Popedome verie much Amonge whome is Innocentius the 4. of that name Bishop of Rome writing vpon the first Chapter de trinitate Arboreus Theosoph li. 4 cap. 32. a Doctor of Paris one of your chiefe Sorbonistes saith The Pope may erre in faith And he seemeth to me to be in foule Error that thinketh otherwise Surely they but flatter the Bishoppe of Rome that make him free from falling into Heresie and Schisme Gerson the Chancellor of Paris saith The Pope may swarue from the faith Gerson in Tract An liceat in causa fidei à pontifice appellare Panor apud Syl. de fide § 9. Syluest de ecclesi § 4. as well as an other Bishop Panormitan sayth Thus must the Gloze be vnderstood which sayth that the Church cannot erre is not the Pope but the congregation of the faithfull that is such as holde firmely that doctrine which S. Peter with other people taught And the Popes owne Gloze vpon his Decrées doth describe the Church which cannot erre Can. 14. q. 1 Can. A recta in gloss to be the Congregation of the faithfull saying I aske thee O Pope Lucie of what Church thou vnderstādest that which thou tellest vs in this place to wit That the Church cannot erre for if thou vnderstandest it of the Pope himselfe it is very certaine that the Pope may erre I answere therefore that the Church is here taken for the congregation of the faithfull and such a Church cannot erre Lyrain Mat. ca. 6. Lyra sayth Many Popes haue proued Apostates But what néede I to descend to particulars to prooue that the Pope may not only erre in doctrine but also be an heretike since it is a ruled case by your Schoolemen and Canonistes As a in dial p. 1. li. 6. ca. 1. Occam b In summa lib 5. Tit. de Haeret. Hostiensis c Summa de eccles li. 2. ca 93. 112. Turrrecremata d De Schismat pont Zabarella e De concord Catho li. 2. cap. 17. Cusanus f Summa part 3 Tit. 22 cap. 7. Antoninus g Aduers Haer. li. 1. ca. 2 4. Alfonsus h Locor Theol. lib. 6 cap 8 Canus i De visib Monar li 7. Sanders k Contro 4. p 2. qu. 1. Bellarmine l Canonist in distinct 40 si Papa Archid. Iohan. Andrae in fidei de Haereticis in Sext. Caietan de authoritat Pap. Conc. cap. 20. 23. and others m Dist 40. si Pa yea the Canon lawe it selfe n Synod Roma quint. sub Symacho Math. Paris in Henrico 3. sub Anno 1253. Mathaei Chroni in An. 1409. yea A Councel a Romane Councell confirmed by the Pope doe graunt it But to conclude this point wherein it may séeme I haue béen too tedious Sixe hundred prelates 124. Diuines and almost thrée hundred Lawyers with the whole Colledge of Cardinals in your generall Councell of Pisa deposed two Popes Gregory the 12. and Benedict the 13. o Naucler Chronogr genera 47. Anno 1409. as Schismatikes and Heretikes Your Councel of Constance whereas you say were p Genebrard li 2. Chronograph Anno 1414. 4. Patriarches 29. Cardinals 47. Archbishops 270. Bishops 564. Abbots and Doctors in all aboue 900. deposed the same Benedict persisting in his Popedome notwithstanding the former sentence as being Schismaticum Haereticum c. A Schismatike Conc.
than Clergie men to be discerners of trueth And it is euident by the Scriptures that there is a limitation howe farre the Bishops and Cleargie are to be obeyed and what they are to teach For S. Paul saith Be yee followers of me as I am of Christ 1 Cor. 7. So that he requireth no more of the Corinthians than to follow him as hee followeth Christ And this made him so diligently to distinguish the precepts of Christ from his owne Councels To the married I commaund not I but the Lord to the rest I speake not the Lord. And our Sauiour Christ when he gaue commission to his Apostles He bids them Mat. 28.19 20. Goe teach all nations but what To obserue all things whatsoeuer I haue commanded you And therefore Chrysostome alleaging the wordes of Saint Paul Chrys in 1. ca. 2 Epist ad Tim. Hom. 2. Obey your Ouerseers or Prelates doeth thus limite them But if hee peruert anie poynt of faith though hee be an Angell obey him not And straight after Wee must not obey Paul himselfe if he speake any thing of his owne or as a man but we must obey the Apostle bearing Christ about that speaketh in him It is not lawfull saith Tertullian to deuise any thing of our selues Tertul. de praescrip advers Haeret. nor to follow that which others haue deuised wee haue the Apostles of the Lord for our Authors who deuised nothing of their owne heads but deliuered faithfully to the nations the doctrine which they receiued of Christ Therefore though an Angel from heauen should preach otherwise wee should count him accursed * Chrysost operis imper Ho. 20. in 7. ca. Mat. Euery teacher is a seruant of the Law because hee may neither adde of his owne sense vnto the Lawe nor according to his owne conceit take any thing from the Law but preach that onely which is found in the Law And these instructions both of Fathers and Scriptures were to little purpose if wee were not by them taught how to eschew the euill and followe the good And surely if the Vicars Consistorie and Seate In Luc. 12. were infallible as the Rhemists affirme what néede wee respect or studie to knowe the infinite Testimonies of Scriptures and Fathers brought to this purpose But this doeth not prooue that they are priuiledged and exempted from Erring For the Scriptures which were written for our instruction doe plainely conuince that both Priests and Prophets haue erred For God by the Prophet Malachie describeth what the Priests should doe and what they had done The Priests lippes should preserue knowledge Mala. 2. and they should seeke the Law at his mouth for he is the messenger of the Lord of hostes But yee are gone out of the way O ye Priests ye haue caused many to fall by the Law ye haue broken the couenant of Leui saith the Lord of hostes And this proud priuiledge which the Popes now challenge was claimed by the wicked Priests in Ieremies time Come Iere. 18 1â— say they let vs imagine some deuise against Ieremie for the Law shal not perish from the Priest nor counsell from the wise nor the word from the Prophet But God assureth them by his Prophet Ezech. 7 2â— for their arrogant presumption That the Law should perish from the Priest and counsell from the ancient What grosse idolatrie Vriah the Priest committed to please King Ahaz 2 King 16.10.11 Esay â—8 the Scriptures will tell you And Esay saith The Priest and the Prophet haue erred they haue gone away they faile in vision they stumble in iudgement And wee knowe there haue béen many Bishops and those orderly succéeding if you looke to their dignity not to the doctrine who haue béen heretickes as Berillus Paulus Samosatinus Photinus Nestorius Dioscorus Petrus Apameus Sergius Cyrus Theodorus Macarius And many others Canonically succeeding in Seates and Churches of no small account And if these fell into pestilent heresies that which was often and easie then is contingent and possible still And succession which saued not them froÌ„ erring cannot defend our Popes from the like danger And therefore are wee forewarned and taught by the Scriptures to beware and take héede of such men For S. Paul saith Actâ— 20. Out of your selues shall arise men speaking peruerse things to drawe disciples after them And the Lord when hee saith Beware of false Prophets Mat. 7. noteth that there shall be Prophets by their calling which shall be found false in their teaching As Saint Peter also witnesseth 2 Pet. 2. There were false Prophets among the people of the Iewes euen as there shall bee false teachers amongst you And to what purpose are these with many other testimonies but to teach vs that we must distinguish godly teachers not by office but by doctrine And if there were not an abilitie in vs in some sort to discerne them in vaine were we taught to beware of them neither had the men of Berea béen so highly commended for the triall of their Pastors doctrine Acts 17.11 if it had either béen vnlawfull or not their duety so to haue done But it séemes the Papists insist much vpon the outward quiet of their Church holding out this Buggebeare That the Church cannot erre assuming therby to be lords of scriptures Fathers Councels and all when they list But what hereticall Church may not haue the same quietnesse vpon the same perswasion and yet it preuailes in none but those that can be perswaded That this false priuiledge of not erring belongs to the Church taking the Church in the same sense which the Papists in this Tract vnderstand it of Fathers Councels and the Pope And who knowes not that notwithstanding your late Councel of Trent and diuers other Councels and learned bookes of all sides That yet the controuersies are not ended being indéede the neuer ending knotte of Religion For though this perswasion That the Church cannot erre may sometimes bréede an outwarde quietnesse in the Church yet it hath no force to establish men in the vnitie of Trueth since it may both deceiue and bée deceiued as is in this Treatise prooued Nor to end controuersies because all beléeue it not nor to abolish heresies which many times it may fauour as is euident by some fewe examples both of Popes and Councels before alleaged For further example put the case That some of the Church are perswaded according to Christs Institution and the practise of the Church of Corinth that the Laitie are not to be robbed of the Cup but are to receiue the Eucharist in both kinds and hereby call the priuiledge of the Churches not erring into Question how shall this be decided Shall it be sufficient for the Church or Pope to say I cannot erre and for proofe thereof to call all his Cardinals Abbots and Bishops to auow the same though it be contrary both to Scriptures Fathers and the long continued practice of the Church of
for cleane hearts to know it is not lawfull for them to iudge Idem coÌ„fes li. 13. ca. 23. And againe Wee must not iudge of so high authoritie neither of the booke which is thine because we submit our vnderstanding to it Contr Crescon li. 2 c. 31 And lastly To the Canons of the scripture pertaine certaine books of the Prophets and Apostles the which in any case we may not dare to iudge And this is the reason There may be no iudge of Trueth where no daÌ„ger of Error is And S. Austin saith Idem epist 19. ad Hier. It is wickednes to make a doubt speaking of the scriptures whether there be any error in theÌ„ or not Therfore there may be no iudges of them but the whole Church must be subiect to theÌ„ with all humility beleeue them And yet will the Papists assume vnto themselues to be Iudges of the scriptures appoint which shall be Canonical which shal be Apocrypha A Iudge we grant must haue two things before he be competent namely skill to discerne that he misse not the truth power to command that his iudgement may take place Now if he want either of these he is no fit Iudge And that the Pope hath neither of these thus I proue For the first I haue proued he may erre therfore no man is bound to his iudgment further thaÌ„ it is agréeable to the truth And to adde one proofe more the Councel of Basil saith This priuiledge Conc. Basil epist Syno 8 not to erre hath not been granted by a common or perpetual law to any not to the Angels for many of them fell not to our first parents for they were deceiued not vnto the chiefe Bishops for many of them are read to haue fallen into error and Heresie And as it is absurd to referre the iudgement to one man so is it also to intitle the church of Rome to be The Catholike Church since their chiefe Schoolemen and lights of the Papists Petr. a Soto contr coÌ„fess Wittenburg ca. de CoÌ„cil AlfoÌ„s à Castro aduer Haer. li. 1. c. 8. CoÌ„f. Petric cap. 24. contr BreÌ„t li. 2. Disput adu Luther tom 6. deauthoritat potest vniuers eccles ca. 5. Ibid. ca. 1. Sotus Alfonsus Hosius and Verratus doe witnesse that any particular Church may erre But that the Church of Rome is a particular Church the same Verratus affirmeth nor can the rest deme it And as he may erre so hath he no power to command princes or others but onely to propose the commandements of God vnto them as euery Bishop must and may by vertue of his vocation Further authority by violence to compell or by corporall and external means to punish no Prelate nor Pope hath by the Lawe of GOD since that belongeth to the Sworde which the Prince and not the Pope beareth Rom. 13. 1. Pet. 2. as Saint Paul witnesseth and also Peter from whose right the Pope makes claime to this superioritie But me thinkes I still heare them obiect that all this while wee appoint not who shall bee Iudges or at least Discerners of Truth And to that we answer Let him that maketh the claime vndertake the proofe for we find no place nor person to whom the Sonne of God hath referred vs for the right vnderstanding of his will but onely to himselfe and the Scriptures And that you may knowe this is not our priuate opinion a slander which you often obiect learne what Optatus S. Aug. hath set downe in this case Christ saith Optat. hath dealt with vs as an earthly father is wont with his children Lib. 5. coni Permenia Donat. who fearing lest they should fall out after his decease doth set down his Will in writing vnder witnesses if there arise debate among the brethren they goe to the testament Hee whose worde must end our controuersie is Christ let his Will be sought in his TestameÌ„t Which reason of Optatus S. Aug. vrging against the Donatists as he doth often We are brethren saith he to them why doe we striue Aug. in Psal 21. exposi 2 Our Father died not intestate he made a Testament and so died Men doe striue about the goods of the dead till the Testament be brought foorth when that is brought they yeeld to haue it opened and read The Iudge doeth hearken the Councellors be silent the Crier bids peace all the people is attentiue that the words of the dead may be read and heard He lieth void of life and feeling in his graue and his words preuaile Christ doth sit in heauen is his Testament gainesayd Open it let vs reade we are brethren why doe we striue let our mindes bee pacified Our Father hath not left vs without a Testament He that made the Testament is liuing for euer He doth heare our words he doth know his owne word Let vs reade why doe wee striue Were not this a silly speach of S. Austin if Traditions were to be receiued with equall Reuerence to the Scriptures or that Councels or Popes had such absolute authoritie But it séemes S. Austin ascribed more to this Testament than to any Pope or Councel whatsoeuer And to conclude this point Optatus in the Question of the Catholikes with the Donatists whether one should be twice baptised Li. 5. contr â—ermen Doâ—at You saith he say it is lawfull Wee say it it not lawfull Betweene your it is lawfull and our it is not lawfull the peoples soules doe doubt and wauer Let none beleeue you nor vs we are all contentious men Iudges must be sought for if Christians they cannot be giuen of both sides for trueth is hindered by affections A Iudge without must be sought for If a Panime he cannot know the Christian mysteries If a Iew he is an enemie to ChristiaÌ„ baptisme No Iudgement therefore of this matter can be found in earth a Iudge in Heauen must bee sought for But why knocke wee at heauen when here we haue the Testament of Christ in the Gospel Belike Optatus and S. Austin were not so wise in those dayes as our Iesuites and Papists are now for they could easily haue put doubts and scruples touching the sense of the Scriptures and could skilfully haue inforced such obiections as these and in all doubts could easily haue assigned their Pope as an Absolute Iudge But it is euident by the iudgement of these two Reuerend Fathers that we can haue no fit Iudge on earth Ioh. 12. God must therefore iudge vs by his word To which all the Fathers doe submit themselues and their writings as is before prooued and alleaged Yea we are warranted by the Prophet Osea to iudge our Mother as it is in the vulgar Translation and to contend with her that she is not the spouse of Christ Hos 2. nor he her husband that she may take away her fornications and adulteries c. as it is more at large in the Text. Thus haue