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divine_n whether_o any_o of_o the_o three_o point_n instance_a by_o the_o doctor_n viz._n veneration_n of_o image_n adoration_n of_o the_o b._n sacrament_n and_o invocation_n of_o saint_n be_v idolatry_n or_o no_o and_o those_o who_o side_n least_o with_o that_o party_n which_o be_v call_v nonconformist_n be_v for_o the_o negative_a viz._n that_o it_o be_v not_o idolatry_n whereas_o if_o it_o have_v be_v the_o sense_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n in_o those_o article_n that_o it_o be_v idolatry_n to_o do_v any_o of_o those_o thing_n they_o have_v by_o maintain_v the_o contrary_a as_o erroneous_a incur_v excommunication_n ip_n facto_fw-la as_o appear_v by_o the_o canon_n print_v before_o the_o 39_o article_n set_v forth_o by_o mr._n rogers_n here_o therefore_o the_o doctor_n to_o maintain_v his_o charge_n of_o idolatry_n to_o be_v as_o he_o call_v it_o the_o receive_a doctrine_n and_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n be_v force_v to_o have_v recourse_n to_o the_o 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the_o doctor_n himself_o put_v into_o my_o hand_n when_o to_o show_v the_o testimony_n of_o arch_a bishop_n whitgift_n to_o be_v valid_a in_o his_o cause_n he_o premise_n that_o none_o can_v be_v less_o suspect_v to_o be_v puritanical_o incline_v than_o he_o that_o be_v i_o shall_v cast_v out_o of_o the_o list_v all_o those_o who_o shall_v be_v find_v to_o have_v be_v puritan_n or_o puritanical_o incline_v and_o first_o for_o his_o two_o archbishop_n whitgift_n and_o abbot_n the_o former_a though_o otherwise_o a_o stiff_a asserter_n of_o the_o discipline_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n be_v know_v to_o have_v consent_v to_o the_o frame_a of_o the_o lambeth_n article_n 40._o and_o to_o have_v propose_v they_o to_o the_o divine_n of_o cambridge_n and_o the_o latter_a be_v so_o great_a a_o favourer_n and_o abettor_n of_o the_o puritan_n party_n that_o to_o stop_v they_o in_o their_o full_a career_n dr._n heylin_n say_v 242._o it_o be_v find_v necessary_a to_o suspend_v he_o from_o his_o metropolitical_a jurisdiction_n of_o dr._n white_a the_o same_o heylin_a report_n p._n 135._o that_o for_o licens_v bishop_n mountague_n appello_n caesarem_fw-la it_o be_v say_v that_o white_n be_v turn_v black_n jewel_n bilson_n and_o davenant_n be_v all_o except_v against_o by_o our_o late_a sovereign_a k._n charles_n i._o in_o his_o 3d._a paper_n to_o hinderson_n dr._n fulk_n also_o in_o matth._n 28._o 46._o be_v note_v for_o abet_v calvin_n in_o his_o blasphemous_a opinion_n that_o our_o saviour_n christ_n suffer_v in_o his_o soul_n the_o very_a pain_n of_o a_o damn_a person_n upon_o the_o cross_n reynolds_n and_o whitaker_n be_v notorious_a for_o their_o side_v with_o the_o puritan_n the_o latter_a be_v a_o great_a stickler_n for_o the_o lambeth_n article_n and_o the_o former_a appear_v public_o the_o foreman_n or_o champion_n of_o that_o party_n at_o the_o conference_n at_o hampton-court_n against_o the_o church_n of_o england_n bishop_n usher_z and_o bishop_n downam_n can_v be_v excuse_v the_o story_n of_o the_o first_o be_v to_o be_v see_v in_o cyprianus_n anglicus_n p._n 271._o where_o after_o many_o calvinistical_a opinion_n of_o which_o the_o say_a primate_n be_v the_o contriver_n in_o ireland_n dr._n heylin_n say_v he_o refuse_v to_o receive_v the_o whole_a body_n of_o the_o canon_n make_v in_o the_o year_n 1603_o because_o he_o be_v afraid_a of_o bow_v at_o the_o name_n of_o jesus_n and_o some_o other_o reverence_n which_o he_o neither_o practise_v nor_o approve_v and_o p._n 216._o that_o his_o book_n call_v gottescalchus_n have_v run_v the_o same_o fate_n of_o be_v call_v in_o with_o that_o of_o bishop_n downam_n be_v about_o perseverance_n but_o that_o it_o seem_v not_o fit_a to_o put_v a_o public_a disgrace_n upon_o the_o primate_n of_o a_o nation_n by_o all_o which_o it_o appear_v that_o of_o seventeen_o author_n he_o cite_v to_o maintain_v his_o unjust_a charge_n of_o idolatry_n upon_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n to_o be_v the_o sense_n 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