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A08206 The plea of the innocent wherein is auerred; that the ministers & people falslie termed puritanes, are iniuriouslie slaundered for enemies or troublers of the state. Published for the common good of the Church and common wealth of this realme of England as a countermure against all sycophantising papsts, statising priestes, neutralising atheistes, and satanising scorners of all godlinesse, trueth and honestie. Written: by Iosias Nichols, a faithfull minister of the Ghospell of Christ: and an humble seruant, of the English Church. Nichols, Josias, 1555?-1639. 1602 (1602) STC 18541; ESTC S101326 105,186 267

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euen as he which feedeth the flock should eate of the milke of the flocke and he telleth thee that the Priestes lippes shoulde preserue knowledge Malach. 2. ● and they should seeke the lawe at his mouth Bee not deceiued God is not mocked It wil be terrible one daye to heare Christ saye How camest thou he are Giue accounts of thy stewardshipp But at the non-resident I meruaile much more Replie to Hard. Au●s to the reader for alas as the reuerende Father Maister B. Iewell saieth This is the miserie of the simple for neither are they able to teach them selues neither haue they wherewith to discerne their teachers there was neuer neither errour so horrible but the simple haue receaued it no poyson so deadlie but thē simple haue drunken it because all excuse is taken away from the learned diuine if he doe not his office and dutie as it is written He that knoweth how to doe well and doth it not Iacob 4.17 to him it is sinne This sinne of non-residencie hath three goodly vndersetters which are also broad figge-leaues to couer the nakednes of these learned men Which because I finde manie to be much comforted withall and as it were vpholden in their sinne I will a little trie their power First they call and account their liuings rewards of learninge Three figge leaues couer the learned non resident Secondlye it is in the Queenes power and of the State to order and dispose the liuinges of the Church as they thinke good Thirdlie so they preach they are not to be charged although they preach not in their owne Parish For the first I would desire them to remember howe they bee rewardes of learning namelie either because men haue learning 1. Rewards of learning or because they vse their learning to the seruice of the Church or common wealth There bee rewardes for Captaines and soldiers for Lawyers Iudges and Recorders But it is giuen to such as may goe whether they will not execute the charge and seruice for which they haue such rewardes Euen so I must needes highlie commend her Maiestie and the state for the good and laudable prouision which is for the ministrie of this land being such as if it were well vsed of vs it might be greatlie to the glorie of God and the enlargement and honour of his Church yet I cannot think so meanlie of her Maiesties princelie discretion or of the wise care of the state that they would cause or suffer the people of the lande to pay the tenth part of their profites or rentes to mayntaine a companie of idle men in their silkes and veluetts to fare delitiouslie and not to take paines by their learning to edifye Gods people of whome they haue so greate liuing for that purpose They woulde rather conuert it to the comfort of maimed soldiours and old Captaines who haue hazarded their liues spent their estate for the defence of their Prince and countrie If the Bees doe not loue the droane nor the Gardener the caterpiller nor the Kowheard the headghogge nor the common wealth the idle vagrant then surelie the state will not reward idle men though they be learned if they doe not imploy their giftes to the vse wherefore and of whome they haue their liuing and maintenaunce Alas what am I the better vpon great charges to keep a great horse and neuer to ride to nourish manie seruantes and not to vse them to haue a great garden and to gather no fruite Will not the Maister of the Vineyard say of the figg tree which beareth not Cut it downe ●uc 13 7. why keepeth it also the ground barran And Christ sayeth to such as keepe their talent in a napkinne Math. 26.26 Thou euill seruant and slowfull cast that vnprofitable seruant into vtter darknes 29. there shall be weeping gnashing of teeth Cap. 24.45 Who then is a faithfull seruant and wise whome his Maister hath made ruler ouer his housholde to giue them meate in season blessed is that seruant whome his Maister Math. 5. when he commeth shall find fo doeing A Minister is a light shall we put it vnder a bushell Cor. 4. He is the disposer of the secretes of God ought he not to be faithfull Cor. 4.6 The heauenly treasure and riches is in the cheast of their brest shall it bee kept fast lockt from Gods people And the name of Christ is an oynement powred out Cantic 1.2 and will they stoppe it vp in silence and not by preaching sprinkle it abroade to the sweetning of Gods Church In the second vnder-setter wherein they builde vpon the Queenes power 2 The Queenes power in disposing of liuings for ministers and of the state I suppose that if the Queene and the state because of their pride idlenes and liuing in pleasure should take the liuings from them and conuert them to other vses of the common wealth they will quickly call it sacriledge But for my part I confesse that it is in the libertie of euery cōmon wealth to prouide liuinges for euerye state and seruice as they finde themselues best able fittest for their courtrie or Cittie For it is not saide in the Ghospell Thus and thus God woulde haue his Ministers prouided for as it was in the law of Moses but onely thus 1. Cor. 9.14 So hath also the Lord ordained that they which preach the Ghospell should liue of the Ghospell And againe The labourer is worthie of his hyer and such like 1. Tim. 5.8 But though it be in the libertie of the Magistrate to appoynt liuings in such sort as he thinketh good shall that excuse the idle and him that liueth in pleasure because hee can say the law giueth me this the Queene bestoweth this vpon me did the lawe or the Queene giue it thee to be idle or if they did canst thou be excused in heauen which hast a charge from the Lord to feede his flocke which is committed vnto thee But the handsomest of all these figg-leaues is the thirde for say they wee doe preach although not to our owne flockes and we haue curates in them 〈◊〉 Preaching ●●t Random ●nd hauing ●f curates and how can you prooue that wee are bounde to anie one particular charge to teach and attende vpon one Congregation This last clause is I hope sufficientlie prooued before and I will adde one thing more namelie that the Apostles hauing their charge ouer the whole worlde in all places vvhere they conuerted anie people ●ct 14.23 ●it 1.5 they placed by electiō ministers church by Church Cittie by Cittie whome they called Bishoppes or Elders ●ct ●0 and to these they committed the seuerall Congregations They are called the Elders of Ephesus the Angell of Smyrna the Angell of Philadelphia ●●u 2 and 3. or of Laodicea Heere I demand whether these so assigned to their seueral churches in seueral places had charge to
opinions or trouble some errors or vaine superstitions or with corrupt wicked life brought publiklie any great offence to the Church of God and which might not come without prophaning the Lords supper did put back such from the communion and reiected them and did not admitte them againe till they had with publike penaunce satisfied the Church And these words he doeth grounde vpon the same Scriptures which wee alleadge placing them in his margine And that yee may perceiue that his iudgement was directlie as ours is he saieth a little after thus But when by the iudgement of the Elders and of the Pastour both the punishment of him that sinned and the exāple of other is satisfied thē he that had ben excommunicate was wont to be receiued againe to the communion of the Church And that there were such Elders Pag. 638. the reuerend Father answering the admonition in his replie to M. Carthwright doth seeme to confesse saying I know that in the primitiue Church they had in euery Church certaine Seniors to whome the gouernement of the congregation was committed but that was before there was anie Christian Magistrate c. Of the Presbyterie of the preaching ministrie thus speaketh that worthie writer defender of the English Church M. D. Fulke Defence of English trans Cap. ●5 Pag. ●00 But it is out of doubt that to an office none was chosen or admitted by the Apostle the rest of the Presbyterie of Ephesus but such as had sufficient giftes to answer that office And Mr. D. Suttlife although he denie Elders calling thē Aldermen yet against the Chauncellers Commissaries and officiales being lay men to administer excommunication is verie earnest saying Nothing can be more vnreasonable Eccles disciplin Cap. 4 sect 7. then to giue the power of the ministrie of the worde into the hands of those that are no Ministers and to make them iudges whose lipes preserue no knowledge to giue them power to shut all out of the Church that call none into the Church Anno. 1591. Cap. Cane comisc offie c. And I can not iudge but that it is the conscience of this matter that causeth the Bishops in their Canons to reserue the sentence of excommunication to the Bishop onlie to bee renounced by him or some Minister A confut of W. Allen power of Popish Priest Cap. 9 Pag. 29 Of the Lordship of Ministers the same Maister D. Fulke to my vnderstanding speaketh as we doe where he saieth It is a ministerie and not a Lordship that we must exercise not as a temporall Princes who althogh they may bee saide after a sorte to serue the common wealth yet they are so seruantes as they are also Lords But the Ministers in the Church in the spirituall gouernement are seruants and not Lords as Saint Peter testifieth c. And the equall power of euerie Minister with the Bishop in the administration of the Keies of discipline he hath these plaine words For the Keies of the Kingdome of heauen whatsoeuer they are The second part of the treatise of Popes pard Cap. 3. Pag. 381. be committed to the whole Church and not to one person onlie as Cyprian August Chrys Ierom and all the ancient Doctors agreeablie to the Scriptures doe confesse And God hath made all the Pastors of the Church stewards of his houshold and dispensers of his misteries And if euerie Pastor ouer his charge bee a steward a dispēser of Gods mysteries as you seeme to graunt why hath hee not authoritie to release the penance by him selfe enioyned or the punishment due for sinne remitted as wel as the Bishop or the Pope why hath bee not the Keye of iurisdiction ouer his parish in as ample maner as the Bishop hath ouer his Dioces or the Pope ouer all men Seeing the Keyes are not giuen to one but to the vnitie as the auncient Fathers teach Why shoulde the Bishop the Pope haue two Keyes and they but one resolue vs these matters out of holy Scripture and you shall come somwhat neere to your purpose of pardons The third demaund Agreeing hereunto in the booke of orders the priest is made to promise That hee will giue faithful diligence alwaies so to minister the doctrine Sacraments the discipline of Christ as the Lord hath commanded Of which matter also the reuerend Father Maister Doctor Bilson affirmeth constantly The true difference beetweene Christian subiects c. Part 2 Pag 233. That the title and authoritie of Archbishop and Patriarks was not erected by Christ but by consent of Bishoppes And out of Hierom he addeth That Bishoppes be greater then Ministers and Elders rather by custome then by anie trueth of the Lords appointment that they ought to gouerne the Church in common So the reuerend Bishop Maister Iewell alledgeth diuers Fathers with Saint Paule to that verie purpose Defence of Apol part 2 Pag 198 Of ciuill authoritie in Bishoppes saieth the saide reuerend Father Maister D. Bilson The soldiers of Christ must not entangell themselues with secular affaires The true difference beetween Christian subiects Part. 2. Pag. 253. much lesse make themselues Lords and Iudges of earthly matters which office properlie belongeth to the sweard and must bee sustained of all those which beare the sweard And that it is a sinne to tolerate the vn-preaching ministrie heare the same Doctor Fulke Experience sheweth that he which is void of giftes Defence of trans Cap. 15 pag. 401. before he was ordered Priest is as verie an asse and dogbolt as he was before for any increase of grace or gratious gifts although he haue authoritie committed to him if he be ordained in the Church though vnworthy and with great sinne both of him that ordaineth of him that is ordained Therefore saieth Maister Calfill Ans to the treat of the crosse in the preface I lament that there are not as many good Preachers as parishes I am sory that some to vnskilfull be preferred Of non-residēce our English Canons speake thus Absentia Pasteris à dominico grege c. The absence of the Pastour from the Lords flock that carelesse negligence which we se in many Anno 1571. Cap. resid Pastoris and the leauing of the ministerie is a thing both in it selfe dishonest and hatefull to the people and pernicious to the Church of God And therefore in the ordination hee taketh authoritie to preach to this congregation of pluralities aduowsons election of people saith good Maister Fox speakeing of the time of 830 years after christ Act. mon. print 1576. pag. 5. Likewise advowsons and pluralities of benefices were things then as much vnknowne as nowe they are pernicious to the Church takeing away all true elections from the flock of Christ And it were no hard matter out of him to shew all the points we holde partlie to bee his iudgement in the traced steppes of the primitiue Church
THE PLEA OF THE INNOCENT Wherein is auerred That the Ministers people falslie termed Puritanes are iniuriouslie slaundered for enemies or troublers of the State Published for the common good of the Church and common wealth of this Realme of England AS A COVNTERMVRE Against all Sycophantising Papsts Statising Priestes Neutralising Atheistes and Satanising scorners of all godlinesse trueth and honestie Written By Iosias Nichols a faithfull Minister of the Ghospell of Christ and an humble seruaunt of the English Church Micah 7. vers 8.9 Reioyce not against me O mine enemie though I fall I shall rise when I shall sit in darknes the Lord shall be a light vnto mee I will beare the wrath of the Lorde because I haue sinned against him vntill he pleade my cause and execute iudgement for me he will bring me forth to the light and I shall see his righteousnes 1602. The contentes of this Booke Chapter 1. Wherein is shewed 1 They bee not Puritanes in deede who nowe in Englande are so called Pag. 1. 2 That name is verie fit and proper for all Papistes pag. 4. 3 What are the causes that some of her Maiesties moste faithfull and obedient subiectes are termed Puritanes pag. 5. c. 4 The true state of their cause pag. 12. Capit. 2. Wherein is declared 1 That the Ministers and people which haue des●●d sought reformation of some thinge in the Ecclesiasticall state of this lande are warranted in their do●ings by the principall rule and Canon of our Church namelie the holy scriptures pag. 13. 14. c. 2 Martine Marprelate the Brownistes Hacket stirred vp by Satan to hinder their good cause pag. 32. 33. 34. 3 Preaching against Non residentes and the vnpreaching ministerie and all the exercises of the people aggree to holy Scrip. Pag. 35. Cap. 3. That the Ministers and people who haue desired reformation in some church matters haue therein followed the Christian lawes and godlie proceedings of the ecclesiasticall state Pag. 38. 39. c. Chapter 4. Wherein is prooued 1 That it can not bee that the Ministers and people desiring reformation should bee enemies to the state pag. 58. 2 They can not but vnfainedlie loue the Queenes most gracious Maiestie Pag. 60. 3 They doe heartilie reuerence and thankefullie obserue the Lordes of her most honorable priuie Counsell Pag. 65. 4 They reioyce to liue vnder the cōmon lawes and ciuill cōmunitie of this Realme Pag. 69. 5 And in all their doeing maintaine the faith and promote the good proceedinge of the state of the Church Pag. 71. 72. c. Chap. 5. This teacheth that the Reuerende Bishoppes and other Prelates of the Church of Englande standing for conformitie such as indeede vnfainedlie doe fauor the present state of the Church and doe faithfully holde and beleeue the true religion and faith of Christ maintayned by publicke authoritie among vs are one and the same with the godlie Ministers and people which desire reformation of some thinges in the Ecclesiasticall state 1 Beeause they doe disagree in some things yet be faithfull brethren Pag. 83. 2 This life affoordeth not absolute and vnchaungeable vnitie Pag. 85. 3 They agree in all substantiall pointes of our Church as it aggreeth with holy Scripture Pag. 90. 4 God by persecution can make them in deed to appeare to be one Pag. 95. Cap 6. Wherein is plainely opened That there can no good reason be shewed that the godlie Ministers seekeing reformation are enemies to the present state 1 Because their consciences is cleare in Gods sight Pag. 99. 2 They defende no euill actions in them selues Pag. 100. 3 They can not bee charged with the faultes of straungers Anabaptistes foolish Martine or of frantick Hacket Pag. 102. 4 Nor with vnthankefull obscuring of Gods mercie for their fansies c. Nor with innouation or schisme Pag. 113. c. 5 They can not bee charged with anie thinge againste her Maiesties Person Crowne or Dignitie Pag. 132. 6 Or that they are againste all Superioritie in Ministers or the true power and honour of the ministerie Pag. 140 Cap. 7. Wherein is proued that the Ministers seeking reformation falsely called Puritanes are not in any sort to bee compared to Papistes in euill much lesse to bee equalized with traitors Seminarie priestes or Iesuites 1 By their contradictorie doctrine Pag. 145. 2 By their contrarie actes doeings Pag. 149. Cap. 8. The Ministers vvhich desire reformation in some thinges of our Church matters can not feare but euer loue her Maiestie and all the godlie wise Magistrates vnder her But the Papistes cleane contrarie Pag. 151.152 c. Cap. 9. Wherein is plainelie shewed 1 That it is most profitable to the present state and gouernement and greatlie for her Maiesties safetie to heare the petitions of the godlie Ministers seeking reformation and to tolerate them in their ministerie Pag. 162. c. 2 To harken to Papistes and to tolerate them is most exceeding daungerous and pernicious Pag. 170.171 c. Cap. 10. Wherein is demonstrated 1 That the vnpreaching Ministrie Non-residencie and subscription are troublers of the state Pag. 184.185 c. 2 They are breeders of Atheisme and Poperie and so ouerthrowers of the whole lande if their be no remedie in time Pag. 212. c. 3 At which the Atheistes laugh to their own confusion Pag. 208. c. Cap. 11. Wherein is discried that neither the reuerend Fathers and learned Prelates standing for conformitie neither the godlie Ministers desiring reformation are the onelie and proper causes of these troublesome dissensions and euils following the same But their are some other thinges more specially to be looked into which may and ought to induce both parties vnto peace and to ioyne louinglie in the building of Gods house and that all English people doe humble themselues by prayer vnto God and carefullie conforme them selues to the Ghospell of Christ Pag. 224.225 c. God saue our most gratious and Christian Queene ELIZABETH To all the Reverend Fathers the Bishops of this lande to all the godly learned Ministers of Iesus Christ to all the true and faithful favourers of the holie faith and religion now publikelie professed and maintayned in Englande IOSIAS NICHOLS the least of the least of all Gods Saintes wisheth all grace peace and ioye in beleeuing A Good name sayeth Salomon is to be chosen aboue greate riches Prou. 22.1 and louing fauour is aboue siluer aboue gold Which then is most excellent when it is founde in the feare of God A good report namely of a minister is a precius thing and our light shineth to the glorie and praise of God But the name of a Minister is yet of more regarde by whose standing and falling many are drawne and the reproach of such men reacheth nerest to the heauens and God is most dishonoured by their dishonour for he hath said I vvill be sanctified in thē that come neere me Leuit. 10.3 and before all the people
author Deut. 12.2.3 First where he saieth Ye shall vtterlie destroy all the places wherein the nations which ye shall possesse serued their Gods vpon the hie mountaines and vpon the hils and vnder euerie greene tree Also ye shall ouerthrowe their altars and breake downe their pillers and burne their groues with fire and ye shal hew downe the grauen images of their Gods and abolish their names out of that place ye shall not so doe vnto the Lorde your God According to this precept we freelie and thankfully acknowledge and praise God that her Maiestie hath abolished the verie face of idolatry verie few Kings of Iudah came so far in reformation of Religion Yet doe we intreat our reuerend Fathers we be not held for rebels and vnthankfull persons troublers of the state if finding some few things in our ministrie that we are afeard to doe for displeasing God wee humblie craue either reformation or toleration For verelie wee are enforced so to doe by this Scripture for if here we be commaunded to abolish the verie names of the idoles and not to doe so to the Lorde that is to say not to worship God insuch manner when wee finde that the surplice is part of the character of the popish Priesthood Act monumentes pag. 853. 501. by which and in which they worship their idols as in which they worship their maner of degrading And that the crosse in Baptisme hath ascribed vnto it by mans authority 1. Cor. 14.40 the sacramentall signification of Baptisme as the confessing of of the faith of Christ crucified c. which is more then the Church hath authoritie to doe whose limitation is set to make lawes no further then order comelines And that in reading of Apocrypha Scriptures wee should reade vntruthes and errours for instruction of maners contrariant to his holy canon We are very much afeard that we retaine the name and memoriall of idoll seruice and that we doe so to God in his worship as idolaters haue done to his dishonour vnto their idoles And therefore wee dare not do these things for displeasing of God although we desire hartely in all things to satisfie and content our superiours And heere vnto we find our selues as we verily think greatlie pressed and vrged beecause God saieth vnto vs Esay 30.22 Yee shall pollute the couering of the images of siluer and the rich ornament of thine images of golde and cast them away as a menstruous cloath thou shalt say vnto it get thee hence And againe 1. Thes 5.12 Iud. vers 23. Marc. 11.16 Math. 21. Abstaine from all appearance of euill And againe Hate euen the garment spotted by the flesh And Christ himself was so precise that he would not suffer that any man shoulde carie a vessell thorow the Temple Therfore we are touched in conscience that in our ministerie we should not do any thing resembling the idolatrous sinagogue or to haue the least fellowship or mark of their vngodly waies How be it we haue not preached nor inueighed against neither in any sort depraued the booke yea if wee had not bene to neerlie pressed vpon for the doeing of them so as our suffering and wincking at them vvould haue sufficed to declare our loue of the Churches peace I verilie thinke they would not haue come into so open question The next thing we seeme to falt in is the refusall to subscribe absolutely Of subscription to the two last articles Our innocencie before God our obedience to her Maiestie and vpright following of his holy Canon can not appeare vnlesse I open somewhat more plainlie what these two articles containe The first of the tvvo which is the second of the subscription comprehendeth the vvhole booke of common prayer and of ordering of Bishops Priests and Deacons so that we must by our hand writing auoutch that euerie rubrick clause sentence in these bookes are wholie and perfectly agreeing to holie Scripture and in no one rubrick or clause contrarie to the same and secondlie to promise to vse the forme none other Then in the third article we are bound to approue all the articles made by the Bishoppes in the cōuocation holden Anno 1562. which containe not onlie matters of doctrine but also of order and discipline wherein there be 22 homilies appointed to bee red in the Church that by our hande wee should acknowledge that these and euerie of these be agreeable to God How farre the godlie Ministers are conformable The difference betweene the reuerend Fathers and vs heerein is this First that we doe willinglie vse the booke of common prayer and no other forme vnlesse sometime vpon extraordinarie occasion by publicke authoritie some other praier be assigned vs onelie we leaue out some few things or perauenture explaine some one clause Secondly we professe our selues to enioy our ministrie by no other order but by order of that book which is the booke of ordering Bishops c. Thirdlie we subscribe willinglie to the book of Articles according to the statute 13 in that behalfe prouided namelie to those Articles which onlie concerne the confession of the true faith the doctrine of sacramentes as that statute expresly commaundeth and limiteth Now finding in examining of these bookes many things doubtfull in our consciences we dare not promise or subscribe further thē according to these words And therefore for this cause wee exhibited an humble petition to the reuerend assembly of the Cōuocation holden Anno 1585. with our reasons why we refused to subscribe in such ample maner as they required This beeing that which wee haue done and stood in it remaineth to be examined whether heerein we haue broken this holye Canon of our Church If wee subscribe wee breake the Canon of holy scripture I will therefore shew some two or three instances whereby it shall appeare that if wee had subscribed wee had done contrarie to this holie Canon of Gods written worde wherein I will bee as sparing as I can because I would by no meanes vtter any thing which might tende to the deprauing of the said bookes but onlie as necessitie constraineth to make it appeare that by this subscription we are compelled to doe that which is contrarie to the Scripture of God and which we find not to be the meaning of the Law in commanding the vse of these bookes neither of the authors of the bookes in penning of the same And first wee should subscribe that it is not contrarie to the word of God to read in the Church vnder the name of holie Scripture such bookes as namelie the Apocrypha which are not holy Scripture and such chapters as containe matter directly contrarie to the holie Scripture For in the booke of common prayer in the rubrick next after the order for the reading of the Psalmes there bee these words The order how the rest of holy Scripture beside the Psalter is appointed to bee red Which being the direction
woulde haue bene farre worse then it is His holie name be praised And this verie thing you shall not obscurelie perceaue if you mark and consider well that which I am in hand to speak of The lawes and proceedings of the ecclesiasticall state much fauour reformation and weigh it well without partialitie namelie that the lawes proceeding of the Ecclesiasticall state doe verie much fauour and agree vnto those things which we desire And that the learneder sorte of the Clergie be of your iudgemēt for the most part although the earnest maintenaunce of the former controuersies haue made a verie greate rent in our agreement which especially you shall perceaue if you marke what contradiction one booke hath with another yea the same sometime with it self and how our learned Writers in defence of our religion do faithfully acknowledge and defende against the aduersarie those things which we do And heerein I will alleadge nothing but that which is eyther of some statute or iniunction or Canon of the Bishoppes or of such writers against the Papistes as are least to be suspected to fauour the parte of them who seek for reformation Booke of Canons 1571. Vt ipsorum famulis aduenis vsui esse possent And among the rest the booke of Martyrs which of al others is most authenticall being appointed for Bishoppes Deanes and Archdeacons to haue in their houses for the vse of seruaunts and strangers And first concerning ceremonies In the Queenes Iniunctions wee finde that Shrines couering of Shrines Tables Candlestickes Trindales Artic. 23. and Rolles of wax Pictures Paintings and al other monuments of fained miracles pilgrimages idolatrie and superstition shoulde be taken away This sheweth a verie godly purpose for abolishing of all thinges tending vnto or helping the remembraunce of idolatrie or superstition Such doe we take the surplice to bee not onlie because it is part of the character of the Popish priesthoode Act. mon● Pag. 857. 501. as may manifestlie appeare by their degradation but also because our reuerend Synode holden at London anno 1571. forbiddeth the wearing of the Gray Amice or anye other garment defiled with like superstition Heere let the indifferent Reader iudge if these three bookes compared together doe not fauour our opinion of refusing the surplice shewing no reason why the one shoulde be a monument of superstition or defiled then the other as namelie a table a role of wax a gray Amice a surplice what difference I see it not Secondlie whereas wee refufe the crosse in Baptisme for the symbolicall signification and would haue that reformed in Matrimonie which saieth God hath consecrated Matrimonie to such an excellent mysterie that in it is signified and represented the spirituall mariage beetwixt Christ and his Church And also in confirmation it is saide They lay their handes vpon them to certifie them by this signe of Gods fauour and gratious goodnes towards them and such like Because by this meanes there is attributed to these three thinges sacramentall signes of the couenant Artic. 52. De Sacramentis like Baptisme and the Lords supper Here the book of Articles fauoureth our iudgement First making it to be the nature of sacramentes to bee certaine sure witnesses and effectuall signes of grace and Gods good will towards vs c. Then that there are but two Sacraments Bapt. the Lords supper and thirdlie that those which the Papistes call Sacramentes as confirmation penance orders matrimonie and extreame anoyling are not to bee counted for Sacraments c. And that they haue no visible signes or ceremonie ordained of God Let wise men iudge whether this article doe not instruct vs to doe beleeue as we do To the which we may ioyne Maist Calfils iudgement of the signe of the crosse where he saieth Ans to the treat of the Cros Artic. 2. Pag. 49. Whereas you couple the beliefe in Christ and his signe printed in our fore-heads together what signe is that the Crosse with a finger If yee meane it so ye make an vnmeete comparison the one being necessarie the other idle and vnlawfull to Artic. 4. And of imposition of hands he also saieth Laying on of hands serued to good vse then when it pleased God at the instance of the Apostles prayers to conferre the visible graces of his spirit but now there is no such ministrie in the Church now that miracles bee ceased to what ende should we haue this imposition of handes the signe without the thing c Thirdlie whereas wee doubt whether we may read the Apocrypha vnder the name of holy Scripture especially because of the vntruthes in the same we are taught this in the said articles which say Artic. 6. by the name of holy Scripture we vnderstand the canonicall bookes of the olde and new Testament to which agreeth conference in the Tower with Campion and all other English writinges which alleadge the errors of those bookes to proue them not Canonicall or holy Scripture Fourthlie whereas we doubt that it is contrarie to the worde of God that priuate persons vtter the publick prayers of the Church or administer the Sacraments as namelie that the common prayer booke appointeth not onlie the Minister but also some one of the people to make the generall confession at the Communion and also if any childe in extreame necessitie be baptized at home the Minister is commaunded to say they haue done well and according to order The first we are taught by the articles to be contrarie to Gods word because they say Artic. 23. No man may minister in the congregation except he be called And the second wee learne of that reuerend Father B. Babington boldlie affirming Vpon Genel Cap. 17.12 God hath not thus enthralled his grace that there is such necessitie that either weomen or all sortes of people shoulde dispense the holy mysteries Fiftlie as touching discipline the booke of common prayer fauoureth our doctrine where it saieth In the commination There was a godly discipline in the primitiue Church which now is to be wished for And for the gouerment of the Church by the Elders and Pastor let vs heare that reuerend Father and faithfull Teacher Maister Noell in his Cate chisme Immediatelie after the Sacraments Pag. 7● Math 18. c. 15 16. Act. 14 d. 23. and 15.4.4.6 d. 22.24 20 d. 17. f 28. 2. Cor. 6. a. 5. and 12. d 28. 14 c. 26. g. 40. 1. Tim. 5.17 Tit. 1. b. 5. In the Church well ordered saith he and well manered there was as I saide before ordained and kept a certaine forme and order of gouernance There were chosen Elders that is to say Ecclesiasticall Magistrates to hold and keept the discipline of the Church to these belonged the authoritie looking and correction like censors * 1 Cor. 5.1.4 5 11. c. 16. d. 11. these calling to thē also the Pastor if they knew any that either with false
synagogue of Rome wherein we haue established an order of Ecclesiasticall ministrie and of liturgie and a confession of faith in articles as neere as wee could for the time to the Canon of holy Scripture Which thing is confirmed and ratified by lawes and actes of Parliament Anno 1 and 13 of the Queene Ordered executed expounded explained and defended by iniunctions Canons and apologeticall writinges Wherein and whereby we haue iustlie separated our selues from the erring sea of Rome because they are fallen from the true faith and doctrine of the primitiue Church as it was taught and planted by Christ and his Apostles according to the Scriptures of the old new Testament And we are vnited into the fellowship of the true Church of God whereof Christ onlie is the head and his word and holy writings the only law Canon and rule Now concerning all these things The Minister and people desiring reformation be louers of the Ecclesiasticall state the Ministers and people which desire reformation doe glorifie God on our behalfe And with all godly quietnes are glade to enioye the benefit and comfort of these things and labour to make the most profit to their soules they can by the vse of the same desiring and labouring onlie for the perfection thereof namelie that such remnants of poperie that remaine thogh in comparison of the other they be not so great altogether might also be abolished The Ministers they doe enioy and execute their ministrie according to the order heereof they accept and acknowledge no other faith and doctrine and vse in their ministrie no other liturgie And that which they doe in requiring reformation in some things is not opposite to any of these things in generall but only tendeth to the further building vp beautifying of our Ecclesiasticall state in particular According to that which is saith let vs follow the truth in loue Ephes 4 15. and in all things grow vp into him which is the head that is Christ In tymes of reformation especiallie when ignorance apostasie and superstition hath raigned so many hundred yeares It is hard to reforme all thinges at the first it is harde and rare that euerie thing shoulde be reformed at the first instant and he that commendeth that which is well done at the first wisheth that men shoulde goe forwarde to doe more more in like sort is he an enemie to the first doeings or a friende Doubtlesse an vpright man voide of a cauilling minde will say he is a friend When the inhabitantes of Iudah and Hierusalem Ezra 3● first came out of Babylon in the first yeare of Cyria King of Persia built the Altar of God for burnt offeringes they were in state of saluation being entred againe into the couenant of God yet are not they to be called enemies to the state which in the second yeare after laid the foundation of the Temple And in the verie laying of the foundations whereas many shouted for ioy many of the Priests Leuites and the chiefe Fathers auncient men which had seene the first house when the foundation of this house was laid before their eies wept with a loud voice no doubt because it appeared not vnto them so glorious as the other shall they therefore bee reputed enemies to this last house Cap. 47.24 because they desire it were better Which being hindred in the time of Artabshaste by malicious men vntill the second yeare of Darius King of Persia Cap. 3● at which time Zachariah the Prophet and Haggai called vpon the people and encouraged them to goe forwarde in the building of the Temple and after Ezrah came and taught them the lawe yea euen the Priestes Cap. 7. 9. and caused them to put a way their strange wiues shall wee say that these latter comming manie yeares after were enemies to the state because they endeuoured to bring them to further perfection according to Gods word Lastlie Nehemiah Nehem. 1. and 2. and 3. when they had the Temple and as it should seeme the full and whole worshippe of God yet is he not content but mourned when he hard that the walles of Hierusalem the gates thereof were not built Although he came after and went a bout a thing not done before not onlie in building the wales of Hierusalem but also in taking order for the carefull obseruation of the Sabbath and diuers other things yet is he not called a Puritane which was not content when things were well but his storie is commended to the Church and his example to be imitated of the people of God according to euerie mans calling and place throughout all ages And if wee with the Prophet Haggai doe reprooue the people which say Hag. 1.2.3 The time is not yet come that the Lords house should be builded are we by and by enemies and troublers of the state God forbid If we subscribe that the preaching of the pure word of God is a mark of the true Church of God here vpon desire that all things in the Church euen all our actions should be squared according to the same pure word and nothing left contrarie to the same are we by and by enemies If we be sworne to her Maiesties most lawful supremacie ouer all persons and espie in our Church a Lordelie prelacie a thing brought into the Church by humane inuention by meanes whereof it is apparant that the Pope of Rome hath climed aboue all estates both Ecclesiasticall and ciuill so the Crowne and royall dignitie of this Realme hath in time past bene in bondage to a forraine Potentate euen a proud and vsurping Prelate If now our desire extende it selfe so farre that our Lordlie dignities and power of our Bishoppes might be examined by holy Scripture and brought back a degree or twaine neerer to the Apostolicall practise and Christs institution that so all occasions might be cut of hereafter that this climing vsurpation might neuer take holde vpon England any more are we troublers of the state I protest vnto you before God it hath bene a griefe vnto me when in a simple mind I haue according to the Queenes iniunctions preached and declared the right of her Maiesties authoritie and against the vsurped presumption of the Pope of Rome vsing verilie such arguments as the Apologeticall writings of our learned men haue done agreeing to holie Scriptures I haue bene reprooued as preaching against law and against the reuerend Fathers and Bishopes of our Church Surely if I were an Archbishop or a Lord Bishop I would cast my selfe downe at her Maiesties feet and craue humblie begge of her Highnes that by her Christian wisedome and godlie moderation some meane-way might be foūd profitable for the Church that might in no manner hinder the free course of the preaching of her Maiesties most lawfull authoritie neither euer hereafter leaue such a power in the Ecclesiasticall state as might bee made preiudiciall to the royall preheminēce
together to the disclosing of falshood and hypocrisie and to the aduauncing of Gods glorie so the contention betweene vs being onelie about ceremonies maner of gouernement we are all of one faith one Baptisme one bodie one spirit haue alone Father Lord and be al of one heart against all wickednes superstition idolatrie heresie and we seeke with one Christian desire the aduauncement so the pure religion worship and honour of God We are Ministers of the worde by one order we administer praiers Sacraments by one forme wee preach one faith and substance of doctrine we reioyce both of her Maiesties happie gouernement the freedome of the Gospell and are professed enemies to all her enemies to the enemies of Gods truth and Ghospell In writing against errors and disputing against Papistes we haue bene all one I preaching her M. supremacie confuting Popish primacie and in calling men from sinne disobedience to serue God and her M. we haue beene all one And shall men thinke that this vnhappie diuision shall seuer vs for euer God forbidde This life with out constant vnitie 2 And here me thinks I cannot but murne to think vpō mans frailtie our ignorance self-loue desire to preheminence many times casteth vs headlong into bitter dissention While men are loftie to acknowledge their ouersights therefore labour to keep their estimation by maintayning an errour they cause much disturbance to themselues with little credite among wise faithful men by ouerstrayning them selues to shadowe ouer mens vpright cause they stirre vp much gar-boile confusion in the Church of God And it is not so easilie stayed as it is vnaduisedlie begun Therefore it is verie wiselie said of Solomon The beginning of strife is as one that openeth the waters therefore ere the contention be medled with leaue of Prou. 17.14 Such doe we read to be the ciuil warre of the primitiue Church about Arius which is well known to haue continued many yeares and to be the death of many a faithfull Christian Of which Socrates Scholasticus writeth that in the very beginning it grew so hott Eccles Histor lib. 1. Cap. 6. with such diuision among the Bishoppes and also among the people inveying with such spitefull opprobrius tearmes one against another that it became so haynous shamefull into so lamentable a plight that the Christian Religion was openly derided of all men euen in the publike theaters solemne spectacles And such was the contention of Epiphanius and Iohn Chrysostome both worthy Bishoppes Lib. 6. Cap. 12.13 14. Yea euen in the very infansie of the church that no man shuld stumble at our contention as if it were a new thing when the blessed Apostles by a most excellent and perfite spirite planted the ghospel this humaine fraltie did shew it selfe verie greatlie For what thinke you was the cause of that solemne councill at Hierusalem Act. 15. what was the occasion of the Epist of Paule to the Romanes Corinthians Galathians Philippians Colossians c doe they not bewraye merueilous greate weaknes exceeding great contention some holding of Paul some of Cephas some going to Law and some contending about meate holy dayes some striuing for circumcision and the Lawe of Moyses other denying the resurrection of the bodie others iustification by faith onelie others brought in the worshipping of Angels and other will worshipp and volutarie religion of men in so much that it coste great labour and sweat vnto the Apostles and faithfull Ministers to hold vp the Church to keepe it aliue in the verie birth thereof So great were the waters of contention cōming out of the dragons mouth by the abuse of mans weaknes And this I obserue both in writings disputations of our forefathers of the primitiue ages of the Church also in these latter daies that it is a very rare thing to find any writer thogh he be learned wise sober who in his apologeticall writting can keepe himselfe pure from al gaule bitternes Few writers without bitternes For the vehement desire to defende that he vndertaketh manie times maketh him to sway beyond the mark his penn to breath out filthie smoak and vnsauorie There are manie prettie and wittie thinges which are founde in the studdie of humane learning in these men of great learning haue manie times delight so that when they are in writing of an argument or answer there falleth in some fine ironie or close quib by allusion sometime a bitter sarcasme before they be aware which whē it is red of the aduerse part it raiseth many hott humors vnseemly retaliatiōs which not only hinder the light oftētimes of a good cause but also maketh such a breach as will hardlie bee repaired againe in manie yeares And heere mee seemeth I am taken prisoner and locked vp in a darke and dolesome place to weep mourne to cry and howle for the miserable estate of mankinde thorough sinne How manie stumbling blocks are cast in the way of foolish This contention a plague for Atheists ignorant and peeuish Atheists who refusing the way of truth haue strong delusions of Satan to make them beleeue lyes Yet doth God turne all these contentions too good God turneth it to the good of his elect and his diuine prouidence maketh them profitable to his Church namelie for the elect as it is written There must be heresies euen among you that they which are approued among you 1. Cor. 11.29 may be knowen And this profit hath the Church by the primitiue contentions that in cleare plaine Scripture we se manie things taught as namelie The Christian libertie The doctrine of iustification the rising of the dead and diuers other waightie points which I can not tell if they woulde haue beene otherwise so fully largelie so plainlie written that we may know the loue and power wisdom of our merciful father to ouersway the mightie labours of Sathan which are against the Church to the good of Gods faithfull people Therefore the Apostle is bold to say in the like case I knowe that this shall turne to my saluation And againe We know that all things worke together for the best vnto them that loue God The consideration of this might teach some men to looke vpon themselues and watch ouer their owne corruption to keepe it vnder that they giue no offence other might learne not to stumble at the truth for such a cause which cannot bee altogether auoided And we of our time countrie might vnderstand that we are not by and by seuered into two religions or broken of from being Christian brethren beecause some hote contention hath bene kindled among vs. For then we might say that Friers Monkes Seminarie Priests Iesuites are not Papists yea that Popes Cardinalls and other their great Prelates are no Papistes because those haue stirred vp among themselus most deadlie warre other maner
of diuision schisme slaughter and miserie then euer by the grace of God is likelie to be a mong vs. 3 And to deale plainely I can not see that the matter betwene vs is such that either they doe or can make a thorowe breach No matters to separate Gods children for euer betweene the children of God For what so euer is agreeing to holye scripture properlie essentially of our religion profession of the Church of England and what so euer is properlie naturallie belonging to the ministerie by the rule and description of holie Scripture maintained by the reuerend Fathers other Prelats of our Church standing for conformitie we the Ministers people who seeke reformation doe hold professe the same As namely the doctrine of faith of the Sacraments and that the booke of common prayer may bee vsed in the chiefe substance thereof and that the Minister of the word ought to preach c. Therfore in regarde of the maine grounds of religion of the ministerie seruice of God we are all one Nowe the thinges which we desire to be reformed they stande earnestlie to maintaine are but accessorie additamentes brought into the Church by humane constitution as the reading of Apocripha Priestly garmentes the crosse in Baptisme Sacramentall signification to Matrimony Confirmation Lordship ciuill iurisdiction in Bishops execution of Discipline by chauncellors cōmissaries and officialls then in other chief Prelates Deanes Prebends Archdeacons non-residence pluralities totquotts the bare reading ministerie and such like If all these or any of these be the holye plantes which God hath planted in his Church then haue we done ill to speak or write against them But if they bee such as being cleane taken away as we verely think the religion The things in controuersie taken a way the Church is whole entire and no hurt to the Church or Bishoppes to depart from them faith administration of Christ the true worship of God as it is now in the Church of England might vvould remaine vvhole entiere vvithout them then doubtles are vve all one according to Christ Iesus in those thinges vvhich in duetie conscience toward God vve ought of necessity to saluation to agree in one although the outwarde appendants make vs seeme to differ one frō another There be two brethren one vveareth a Babylonitish garment is attired in all thinges like vnto them vvhich inhabit the Easterne climate the other goeth in the good wholesome clothes that a Yeomen or citizen of England vsually doth both these being borne of one father in one countrie being of one language and house shal men say that they are not brethrē if they agree in all naturall thinges sauing that one of them hath gottē some new fashions And if the other desire his brother to goe after his owne cuntrie fashion are they straight vvaies enemies Consider I humblie beseech you most deare reuerend fathers brethren the foundatiō of these things for vvhich you stand and vveigh vvith your selues that the departing from these things will bee no hinderance to you nor to the church of God First you know that the holy Scriptures are sufficiēt to make the man of God perfect absolute vnto all good workes 2. Tim. 3. if we grant you whatsoeuer the Lord Christ hath granted in his holy written word what iniurie doe we offer to the church or to your ministerie This you knowe that necessity is laid vpon vs to preach the Ghospell 2. Cor. 9. and vvoe is vnto vs if we preach not the ghospell if we be suters that all the ministers shoulde doe this so avoide Gods curse doe we desire their hurt 2. Cor. 10. you know that Christs kingdome is spirituall if then these thinges which we desire vvere remooued bee carnall the weapons of the carnall man you shall leefe nothing to put off the earthlie carnal to keep onely that vvhich is spirituall You know the grace of our Lord Iesus Christ 2. Cor. 8.9 Philip. 2. that he being rich for your sakes became poore that ye thorow his pouertie might bee made rich yea hee made himselfe for our saluation of no reputatiō tooke on him the forme of a seruant c. Hee humbled himselfe became obedient to the death euen to the death of the crosse vvhat hurt I beseech you would it bee vnto you or to the Church if for his sake you did in some sort follow his example and hauing the same minde which hee had to let goe some of these outward things to maintaine peace to feede the flock of God for which he gaue his owne blood Math. 2. Christ by humbling himselfe became one with vs our Emmanuell And why shoulde these humaine accessories diuide vs his seruants members that we should not be one among our selues which so manifestly are one in him in faith in him in professing of his word in the worship of his name The Apostles forsooke all to follow Christ Mat. 9.27.28 and they followed him in the regeneration namely S. Paul made this choise with his own hands to minister to his necessities to make himfelf a seruant to all men Act. 20. 1. Cor. 9. thogh he were free frō al men so to leefe some parte of his right that he might make the Ghospell free I beseech you consider whether you haue done so and that if you did in some part follow him heerein as he followed Christ whether their would not be a most blessed ioyfull vnitie amongst Gods labourers and a more excellent merueilous freedome of the preaching of heauenly peace 4 If these arguments maye not yet make it manifest that wee are one or ought to striue to bee one there is yet one other argument vvhich is very demonstratiue cannot be denyed but that is not in man to frame Persecution persecution when it hath stripped vs out of all those humane deuises outward things and Gods rodde hath made vs equall and taught vs to bee spirituall then will it be knowne that we are all one I meane such as are not hypocrits nor false brethren that we are brethren and members one of another Christ onely the head Then shal we learne to say one to another Act and monuments pag. 1431. print 1576. * Now my deare brother for as much as I vnderstand that wee throughlie agree and wholy consent together in those thinges which are the groundes and substantiall points of our religion against the which the worlde so furiously rageth in these our dayes howsoeuer in times past in certaine by-matters circumstances of religion your wisedome my simplicitie I graunt hath a little iarred each of vs following the aboundance of his owne sense iudgement nowe I say be you assured that euen with my whole heart God is my witnesse in the bowelles of Christ I loue you in
there were any likelihood that such men would fauour the enemies of God and of the Queene Libelling Priestes like rogues They are like vnto rogues who in time past woulde recite all the Iustices of peace in the shire by mustering of whose names they would fortifie themselues against all gainsaiers So these vagabund and roguing Priestes abuse the names of worthy men to shadow their diuelish and traiterous designements For I haue great reason to iudge that their malicious Machiauellian drift is no otherwise but to bringe them in hatred with all her Maiesties good and faithfull subiectes And they care not what they say so as they might kindle a fierie faction among vs and they accomplish their moste wicked complottes Can they make vs beleeue that these reuerende men doe fauour such Popish traitors or that they doe not by such grosse and palpable flatterie prepare a net for their feete Doe they not know how these reuerend fathers doe maintaine and alow all learned godly preachers which enueigh against all such wicked seditious persons and all bookes writings which bewray confute destroy their abhominable minable heresies Doe they not know that they stand for defence and promoting of the Ghospel and the execution of all Ecclesiasticall lawes of this land for the vpholding of the same as Fathers Pastours of the Church of England vpon whome the eies of all men are bent expecting and looking that they aboue all other shuld shew them selues zealous for the truth enemies to Antichrist What Doth he thinke them so vnwise that they knowe not where they are or how they are or so childish that they vvill reuolt from the truth vvhich they haue sucked in euen from their cradle or so vnthankefull that they will take part with Gods aduersaries Doth he think them so blind that they will goe contrarie to all the reuerend Bishoppes and learned men which haue writtē euer since her Maiesties raigne against the Romish heresie that now they woulde take a new course to seuer from all Christiā Churches and be content to heare the most excellent lightes of the world to bee so vilie and maliciously traduced Doth he think them so void of all conscience and honestie that they would take the greatest and chiefest promotions of our Church and so farre abuse the trust committed to them by her Maiestie that they woulde vnder-hande deale cleane contrarie to the same What sodaine toy is come into this mans dreaming braines to think that the learned men of other nations Churches hauing now aboue fiftie yeares bene all one with the English Bishoppes and Protestantes English Bishopes readie to helpe the straungers and alwaies readie not onelie by worde and writing but also vvith monie armour and life to helpe one another should now after so many yeares friendship and loue in our religion and true vvorship of God vvithout any breach or alteration be likelie suddenly to be drawne one against another so that it shuld be a pleasure to our reuerend Fathers to heare such godly learned men Christian Churches our deare friendes and brethren in Christ to bee ill spoken of traduced and slaundered None els a man would think but such as braine madd would imagine such a thing A man that had in him no more but meere reason and pollicie might easilie see further into this matter but only that Papists desire nothing but hurlie burlie confusion that if they had no feare of God before their eies yet they might well thinke with them selues that if by their fauour shewed to Priestes Seminaries or Iesuites they shoulde haue accesse to such places or come so neere her Maiestie that anye hurte should happen to her sacred person vvhich God for Christes sake keep farre from her that the oath of association would stirr vp some and the loue wherewith her Maiestie hath bound thousands and thousands of her faithfull subiectes vnto her would constraine both Noble men Knights Gentillmen and all sortes of the commons to bee reuenged vpon them that haue bene meanes of such euill And they can not bee ignorant that if there bee such a thing and that it may bee now for some consideration wincked at yet there may come a time when such things may be ripped vp and called to accountes and then I dare say they woulde not bee willing to take vpon them such Popish treasonable irreligious writings No meruell therefore if they care not what they say against vs poore Ministers when they dare make it by a question answer lawfull to sue for fauour at the hands of so reuerend wise iuditious men whose place is so directlye opposite to such vvicked hypocrites and they stand as vvatchmen to discouer them and as Iudges to punish them But if among all the Protestant writers there bee some one that hath put forth some priuate opinion of his owne concerning the authoritie of Princes are vve to be blamed vvith that where vvith we were neuer acquainted But this is a stale slaunder against all Protestantes Of the differēce between Christ sub part 3. pag. 3.6 Auns to P. Frarine pag 35. ansvvered by M. D. Bilson Doctor Fulk and commeth to late to be laid vpon vs. But heere vve may see their beggerly pouertie or els some secret secular Popish malice that they must bee faine to thrust into the ballance of their false accusation against vs what so euer colour may be deuised against all forren Protestantes to vvay downe the good estimation of a fevve poore Ministers of England Such is the actions of the Anabaptistes of Martin Marprelat Harding auns Artic. 25. diuis 12. frantick Hacket euen as iust as the furious disobedience of these verie Anabaptistes is laid to the charge of all other Protestantes by the malicious wicked Papistes It is now at the least 33. yeare since our troubles began to be verie heauie vpon vs let thē shew how vve haue mooued the least finger against our dread Soueraigne The present toleration of some of the chief vvho haue vvritten in this cause in the conscience of those reuerende honourable wise persons who either haue caused their libertie or effected it themselues may testifie our innocēcie And surely I vvould not desire any fauour if I might be conuicted of the euil cariage of the best of those three Neyther doe I feare that any honest mind not blinded vvith hatred vvill impute anye of their vvicked dealing to anye godlie Minister vvhich desireth the good of our Church The second great slāder touching Gods mercie vpon this land 4 Therfore wil I come to the second sorte of obiections which seeme more neerely to touch vs and our cause The most principal obiection cōmeth within this circle That we acknowledging not this singular benefite proceeding from the mercie of God namelie that all heresies corrupt doctrines all superstitions and papisticall opinions haue bene banished by the Prince Realme c and all
that the Ministers of Christ should reuerently admonish the state of some points needfull to be reformed by the holy Scriptures and vsage of the blessed Apostles But aboue all other Imeruaill how this can be to hazard the whole state of Religion except a man would say that to goe about in honest sort to make perfect that which is verie well and excellentlie begun is the high way to destroy all But it may bee the mysterie of this point of this obiection is contained in the seconde The obiectiō of innouation which is also a matter of great consequence Namelie that beeing a setled gouernement of all thinges it is a dangerous thing to goe about to alter the same For all innouationes are dangerous to the state Which as it is an argument not to be despised so is it vrged by some in the hiest degree And wee our selues doe freelie acknowledge that it is worthie due consideration How bee it we verilie thinke that it is not on our part or in cause so heynous as it is made First because as is before shewed we desire not the new forming of the Church but onely the rectifying and perfecting of diuers things in the Church and that euerie thing might agree be according to the doctrine of our Church To make perfect is not to innouate and namelie that holie Canon which saieth All our actions shoulde bee squared after the will of GOD reueiled in his worde In the tyme of King Dauid by vniforme consent of all estates the arke of God was sought after ● Cor. 13. and to bee brought vnto Hierusalem but they bringing it in a carte God made a breach so as they durst not for that time carrie it further then the house of Obed Edom the Gittite yet after vpon more better examination of Gods worde they brought it by the Priestes Leuites Cap. 15. and found that God made a breach among them for not seeking him in order Heere shall it be saide that this latter was an innouation or not a perfecting of that which of a good and honest minde was begunne before but wanted some part of Gods order So if we craue no alteratiō in religion but onelie that the thinges which are standing as they doe may be brought to the order of the Apostles vse and to the canon of Gods holye woorde in those circumstances which remaine yet vnreformed I hope it will not bee an innouation Iosiah one of the moste excellent Kings of Iudah and Hierusalem 2. Cron. 34. 35. being young in the eight yeare of his raigne began to seeke after the God of his Father and in the twelfth hee beganne to purge Iudah and Hierusalem from the high places and the groues and the carued and molten images then in the eightenth yeare of his raigne hee repaired the house of the Lorde finding the booke of the Lawe caused all estates to couenant vvith God to followe his law keepe his testimonies and statutes and lastly solemnized the feaste of the passeouer Here you see are many and great alterations such as I may boldly say there woulde not be so great if wee had all the things wee desire and yet it proued to be no daungerous innouation And is not God as well able to blesse vs if we goe forward in his Gospell as hee was in prospering them Is it more dangerous to adde a little now religion is setled in mens heartes then it was at the first to make an whole in nouation change of all when men had little or no taste of religion I am perswaded that if the streame did not so mightilie and violentlie runne against vs but that our Reuerend Fathers and others were as willing to come a degree neerer to the Apostles vse If things were reformed the shew of innouation would be small that by the very lawes and orders alreadie established we might haue the most parte brought into good order as partly may appeare by the 2. 3. chapters of this booke partlie by a booke called the Abstract and partly by the authoritie which is giuen to Ministers touching communicants diuers other thinges which I knowe wise and godly men would finde out that in shew there would be no great odds though so much were reformed as might make vp the breach which is betweene vs because wee haue not sought God altogether in perfect order If Subscription were kept within the compasse of law according to the meaning of the statute Anno 13. and the ceremonies made indifferent to vse or not to vse excōmunication execution of Ecclesiastical censurers restored and reserued to the Bishops and Pastours of our Church and if the vnpreaching Minister were tyed to performe his promise in his ordination and the not resident sent to their flockes the wound would be by and by healed and we should be alone ioyfull bretheren together Which thing I vvould not haue touched but that it might appeare that the obiection of innouation is not so materiall and of such waight as it seemeth And I am persvvaded there be of the Reuerend Fathers and others in this lande being as notable men as euer vvere in all Europe that if it vvould please God to encline our heartes to agree in this point to take a brotherlie order for cutting of all contention and for the more straight curbing of the vndermining enemie who would and could by their vvisedome learning doe a great deale more excellentlie that vvay then I poore weake man am able vvho vvell knowing mine owne vvantes and imperfection can vvillinglie set mine handes vnder their feete In the next place it is to be considered vvhether that because the thinges in controuersie are called external we may be called schismaticks Saint Paul mee thinketh doeth helpe vs in this case vvhere hee saith Rom 16.17 I beseech you brethren marke them diligentlie whiche cause diuision and offences contrarie or as the Greeke worde signified beside the doctrine vvhich yee haue learned and auoide them Nowe vvhen it is before declared that the thinges vvee desire and stand for are according to the doctrine vve haue receaued as our reuerend Fathers and Brethren confesse vsed in the Apostles tyme we humbly suing for and teaching these things by the vvord of God vvhatsoeuer terme you giue the things themselues vve can not in any sort be called schismatickes And if I being called into question for one of the leaste ceremonies to the vse vvhereof I can not frame my conscience yet if being in mine owne iudgement weak in cōparison of other learned men whose iudgement I reuerence or in the opnion of some other I be accoūted foolish or as some will say peeuish I bee afeard to offend myne owne conscience and doe choose rather to be suspended or depriued and quietlie submit my selfe to the punishment of law and abide peaceablie in the vnitie and fellowship of the Church I hope I am no schismaticke nor
bloodie Spaniards In all which she is as vvorthie and renoomed a Prince as any this day in Europe shevving her selfe to be a true vvorshipper of God and a carefull obseruer of his vvord If vve should offer anye further matter then that is heare shevved to bee her meaning and doeing vve might iustlie haue this accusation laid against vs but that you see hath as easie a denyall as it is a most manifest slaunder But as for the diminishing of her prerogatiue by Elders or that the Pastour should be a Pope I vvonder at the skantling they take should either of these take vpon him any thing diuers from the Scriptures and which he might dare to doe beeing not authorized thereunto by publike order of the Church and confirmed by her Maiesties authoritie And how can a poore Minister bee a Pop● when his authority should reach butte● one parish and that therein he shoul● not doe his own mind but be measured by a law and superior authoritie This they know well or may know that obiect these things against vs I merueill they dare hazard their credite to publish such kinde of vncharitable inuentions But we are not to good to come vnder such vniust imputations seeing our Sauiour Christ dranke of the same cupp but our grief is the more to haue such measure from our reuerende Fathers deare brethren The next besitting this kind is that we affect popularitie to bring al to a popular state Thirdly touching popul●ritie This slaunder seemeth to mee to haue tvvo forckes First in regairde of the peoples choosing of their Pastour and second that vve should bee enemies to Magistrates or Monarchicall gouernement I ansvver in the first vvee leaue not all to the people but onlye vvee vvoulde not haue the people left out but as Act. 6. and 14.23 The Bishopes and Ministers should order and guide the people and both ioyning together the choise might bee free and most for the benefit of the Church Novv vvhen the Bishops of our Church in England before they ordaine a Minister vvill haue him to nominate a place and as I haue seene in practise send their letters to that place to see if any coulde except against him and lastly ordaine him with these words Take authoritie to preach to this congregation meaning as I take it the Parishe which had chosen him alas what popularitie is this This obiection Maister D. Fulke answereth against the Papistes by those words And as for the popular election if you haue red those bookes you make mention of Defen of English transl cap 15. pag. 797. you might perceaue that neither of both partes allow a meere popular election And that Maister Whitgift doth not so much contend what forme of election was vsed in the time of the Apostles c. The other forcke is a meer deuise a deuilish quarell and calumniation against all Protestantes for Bristow saieth Motiue 40 Protestantes be malignoures of the hier powers and hath no colour in the world in any of our doeings writings or practise whatsoeuer therefore I think it not worthie to be answered 6 The other arguments obiections are not of so great a prayse Obiections of more equitie yet wil I answer some few of them that if it be possible the chiefe heads vnto which all other may be referred being found light and vaine all the rest might bee accounted no better then they are First our friends say vnto vs if their be no superior how can there be any good order We answer that we meruil they vnderstand not that wee meane that the lawe and authoritie of the Prince shal be superiour to all the Magistrates and Commissioners as signed by her to see all her good lawes executed And as Maister Fulke saieth wee graunt among the Ministers themselues An ouerthrewe ' of the answ to M. Chark prefa● pag. 112. a primacie of order as it was among the Apostles namely according to which Iames was president of the councill at Hierusalem Act. 15. But it is further vrged that the honour of Bd. is more for the protection of the Ministers for their reputation I will not heere for reuerence sake answer all that I can and which miserable experience afordeth only I would such to consider that our armour is spirituall and that the Apostles subdued all the worlde without this earthly honour which this obiection pretendeth But a Christian Magistrate being friend wee haue now lesse cause to feare our reputation if we doe well then they being base and poore fishermen of low estate at that time had when all the power and glorie of the world was against them Therefore the Psalme speakes another maner of conquest Namely that Christ shoulde prosper with his glorie Psal 45 4● and ride vpon no other pompeous chariot but that of Gods word all laid ouer with golde of trueth and drawne with no other horses but meeknes and righteousnes So am I perswaded that although this great dignitie of our Prelats were takē a way yet if we did diligently and faithfully in humble vpright maner teach the people Gods word of truth and saluation it woulde procure vs honour and reputation sufficientlye beseeming Gods Ministers finding that ielous word of God true Them that honour me 1. Sam. 2.30 I will honor c. And lastlie Of sufficient Ministers and maintenance for them it is demaunded where wee will find sufficient Ministers to bee preachers liuing for such worthie men This obiection with many other might be left out for there be God be thanked ynough worthie men if they were sought after both in the Vniuersities other where but while men are suffered to runne and ride and ketch before they fall manye worthie men are passed ouer and not knowne some are faine to be scholemaisters some because of these troubles change their studies Manie are afearde to set their sonnes to schoole seing Ministers so little regarded Littleton Galen and the godly houses of Noble men and Gentlemen woulde helpe to make vp the number And this wee see dailie that there can not be a place void but there be many schollers of reasonable competent giftes to fullfill the same As for maintenaunce God bee praised this Realme aboue all other is to bee commended only the ioyning of smaler liuings and Parishes into one with redeeming of impropriations woulde quickly fill vp that gappe that no man of a moderate gouernement and desire if euerie one be placed after his giftes should haue iust cause to complaine These thinges beeing considered I hope it will appeare to all reasonable men that it can be proued by any good reason that the godlye Ministers desiring reformation are enemies to the state or causes of these troubles which are among vs. But yet there remaineth one imputation which I can not passe ouer Because although it haue not so much as a shadowe of truth The last great flaunder touching Papists and Ieusites