be hanged Loe here the pietie that is in popery I haue many times heard speaking of hallowed bread of hallowed water of hallowed ashes of hallowed beades and of such other like hallowed trash but I neuer heard of a payre of gallowes that were hallowed before but these gallowes being thus sanctified and made holy afore hand about 2. of the clocke in the afternoone the traytors were deliuered to the Sheryues of Dublyne that were to see execution who placing them in a small carre and being assisted with a conuenient guarde as they passed along through the streetes of Dublyne diuerse citizens whereof some that were of good sort and fashion as the Bishop passed by fell downe vppon their knees in the durt and mire crauing his fatherly blessing benediction but the poore regardles wretch sitting still like a blocke woulde neither vouchsafe them worde nor so much as to turne his head aside to looke at them or once to lift vp his eyes to heauen or to make shew eyther of deuotion or of anie religion at all what was in him so that he might haue bin a Papist a Turke or a Iew for any thing that could haue bin discerned by him either by his wordes or by his showe And now being come to the place of execution it is truth he was followed with troopes of citizens both men and women and not of the inferior sort alone but of the better amongst the women of the best mens wiues within the cittie of Dublyne that kept such a scriking such a howling and such a hallowing as if Saint Patricke himselfe had bin going to the gallowes they could not haue made greater signes and showes of griefe and sorrowe but when they saw him turned from of the gallowes they raised the Who bub with such a maine cry as if the rebels had beene approched to robbe and rifell their cittie Now to answere to your question if I should say that this deploring of a traytor with such signes and showes of sorrowe did argue but little loue to his maiestie perhaps I might offende a great number of papistes but this I dare bouldly affirme that those fooleries that were vsed both before and after the execution argued but little wit and I thinke the recitall of it woulde make the papistes themselues to laugh at the folly of popery for marke what followed The executioner had no sooner taken of the Bishops heade but that the townes men of Dublyne began to flocke about him some taking vp the head with pitious aspect accompanied with sobs and sighes that of my conscience were breathed out from their verie soule Some kissed it with as religious an appetite as euer they kissed the Paxe Some cut away all the haire from the head which lousie commoditie they religiously reserued for a lousie relique Some others were practising to steale the heade away the which beeing espyed by the executioner hee gaue notice of the matter to the Sheryues of Dublyne Now when he began to quarter the body the women thronged about him as fast and happy was shee that coulde gett but her handkercheife dipped in the bloud of the traytor And the body being once disseuered into foure quarters they neither left finger nor toe but they cut them off and carried them away And to shew their Catholike zeale they tare his garments into tatters and some others that could get no holy monumentes that appertayned to his person with their kniues they shaued of chippes from the hallowed gallowes neyther would they so much as omitt the halter wherewith he was hanged but it was gathered vp to be reserued for holy vses I might speake heere of the Bishops breeches that the executioner sould for fiue shillings to a fellow that carrying them into the towne and tearing them into fitters made as good a market of them amongst the Catholikes of Dublin as if they hadd beene pardons newe come from Rome the poore hangman againe who but laying his cloake a little apart whilst hee was doing of his office it was stolne away from him and could not be heard on till within two or three dayes and then it was knowne to be cut into shreadds and so sold amongst the Papistes for holy reliques at a very deare rate thinking it had beene some vestment belonging to the Bishop I am sorry for my country-men that are so blind and blockish but see what followed the same night after the execution was done they flocke together afresh both men and women with holy water holy candle and congregating themselues at the holy gallowes in the place of execution they spent the fore part of the night in heathenish howling and performing many popish ceremonies and after midnight beeing then Candelmas day in the morning hauing there priests in a readines they had Masse and as some say Masse after Masse day light beeing come they departed to their owne houses all of them made as holy towardes God as they had shewed themselues dutifull to the King Ta. You haue made a long discourse to little purpose for say you what you can it will neuer be beleeued amongst the Catholickes in Ireland but that these men dyed holy Martyrs suffered for matters that did concerne the Church now for temporall Magistracie to haue foueraigntie in spirituall regiment is very vnnaturall say you what you can Pa Who should else mayntaine and vpholde godly lawes but the Prince who should banish and displace false religion together with the spreaders and dispersers of the same but the Prince who should punish malefactors against God as heretickes blasphemers Idolaters and such other like which is to be done in euery Christian common wealth but the Prince Ta. The Prince must learne at the priestes hand what is truth and what is errour before he set in hand to punish Pa. But if the priest doth preach errour in stead of truth may not the Prince both banish the doctrine and punish the teacher Ta. The Pope is the onely decider of those doubts it is hee that must iudge betweene truth and errour Pa. But if the Pope doth finde an errour and doth command the Prince to punish it may he not then doe it with authority Ta. If the Pope doth commaund there is no question but the Prince must obey Pa. Then Kings and Princes must doe more for the Pope then they may do for Christ but if Princes may not iudge of the truth what meant Dauid in his second Psalme to say Bee wise yee Kinges vnderstand yee Iudges and serue the Lord. Ta. Well let be that Princes may commaund yet I say still the Church must appoynt them what they must commaund Pa. But what doe you meane by the Church that you say must thus direct the Prince Ta. What should I meane but the Church that is the Pope his Cardinals Bishops Priestes and all other persons ecclesiasticall Pa. But what meant Saint Paul Actes 20. when hee called the Elders of Ephesus and willed them to feed the
heades and to wrest the scepter out of their handes then you say truth they suffered for their consciences but if your priestes and Iesuytes were sent from Rome as Pioners to make ready the way for the Popes Bull that should haue disinherited the Prince and giuen his crowne to another as was apparantly proued and confessed by theÌ„selues I wonder with what faces papistes can excuse those iustly condemned traytors and to intitle them for martyrs Ta. I cannot tell what was proued against them but I am sure they were cruelly executed but what should I neede to speake of matters that were done so many yeares past when we haue examples here at home that be yet bleeding new of two holy martyrs that were executed at Dublyne but vpon Candlemas eaue nowe last past the one a reuerend and a learned By shop inuested many yeares sithens to the Bishopricke of Downe by the Popes holinesse the other a holy Catholicke priest that did both together suffer martyrdome in a most constant manner onely for their consciences and for the testimonie of the Catholicke faith Pa. Now fye of the diuell and out vppon popery is it possible that any papist should be found so foolish to bring this matter into question vnlesse to shame himselfe or to make his religion ridiculous but doe you call him a reuererid and a learned â—yshop that was a very blocke without wit learning or honesty hee shewed it in the manner of his life but neuer more manifest then at the houre of his death It is truth he had his inuestment by the Pope for those Balamite Idyotes be fit instruments to spread the Popes doctrine especially in Ireland where the poore people are so infected with this Locust vermine of priests and fryars that they will sooner be leeue an Asse that comes from Rome with a Popes Bull then an Angell of heauen that shoulde bee sent with the light of Gods word Now for your holy priest that accompanied your learned Bishop me thinkes our papistes of Ireland should make intercession to our Lady that his name might neuer more be hadde in remembrance that at the time of his death did shewe himselfe to be the very disgrace of popery and an vtter reproch to the religion he professed Ta. Why Patricke although the priest did shew himselfe to be in some little astonishment with the terrour of the death hee was to indure yet he died constantly without revolting from his religion and the Byshop and hee together indured their martyrdome with patience enough Pa. I wonder with what shameles faces papists can auow those to be martyrs and to die for the testimony of their consciences that were both of them euycted of high treason and no matter of religion inforced against them was not your Byshop indited of sixteene seuerall articles of treason all of them openly confessed by himselfe and he condemned by his owne confession Ta. And yet I hope you will not deny but that all his articles which you say were so many treasons tended all to the aduancement of the holy church of Rome which euery honest man is bound in conscience to doe Pa. If all our priestes in Ireland that doe teach that doctrine to the poore silly people of that country were drawne hanged quartered as your Byshop was the kings maiesty would be both better beloued and more dutifully serued in Ireland then nowe he is Ta. Then I perceiue you do stil thirst after bloud is not your insatiate desire yet glutted enough with the death of those two worthy martyrs especially of that reuerend Bishop who was so dearely beloued through all the partes of Ireland aswell for his learning as for the seueral seruices he had performed to the holy church of Rome Pa. Sir Tady I protest I do thirst after no mans bloud neither doe I knowe any one papist in Ireland that I would seeke his life or wish his death but do rather both pittie him pray for him but I wonder you are not ashamed to intitle those for martyrs that were openly knowne traytors And what were those holy seruices that you say your Bishop was so dearely beloued for were they not his seditious practises that for many yeares together was still stirring vppe of the people to armes and rebellion were not these the articles wherewith he was accused the which himselfe confessed and for the which he was iustly condemned what other wit learning or honesty was in him that you so much magnifie Ta. I hope you will not deny him to be learned Pa. I will deny him nothing that was his due his learning was fit to concurre with that authority the Pope had giuen him that was to stirre vp the people to treason and rebellion for anie other litterature if ought were in him it might haue beene begged for a concealment for he neuer shewed it Ta. Why doe you slander the dead he shewed himselfe to be a great scholler at the very houre of his death Pa. Good sir Tady doe me the fauour to tell me wherein Ta. Being ready to mount vp the ladder when he was preased by some standers by to speake did he not itterate and reitterate Sine me quaso Sine me quaso so distinct and plainely that euery latinist might well vnderstand him this was a signe he was learned and that he could speake Latine Pa. And here we see the end of this great learned Bishop that had liue in conspiracie for many yeares against his prince and being condemned to the gallowes for his treason as hee was wel worthy had nothing to say in his owne excuse but Sine me quaso Ta. What woulde you haue him to say in such a case but to giue himselfe to prayer and contemplation Pa. But what bragges be these that are made of his witte and learning that had liued like a rauening Woolfe and dyed like a dumbe dogge Ta. If there were no better worth in him then your words do import how came it to passe that the multitude of people both men and women that did follow him to the place of execution made such doll and lamentation after him as the heauens them selues resounded the Eccho of their outcries Pa. Before I answere your demand I holde it best to make a true relation of the maners and behauiours of the people that so followed him to the place of execution strange and foolish I confesse to bee rehearsed but because you haue vrged it thus it followeth The 28. day of Ianuary now last past the Bishop with his coÌ„panion the priest being brought to an araignment at the Kings bench barre at Dublyne were there condemned of treason and adiudged to be executed the next saturday following which was the first of February being Candlemas eue which day being come in the morning something timely by a Catholicke consent a priest or two of the Popes broode were sent with holy water and other like holy stuffe to sanctifie and hallow the gallowes where they should
Church of God what meant he by the Church the priests or the people Ta. Perhaps hee ment them both aswell the people as the priestes Pa. Canne you finde in any one text of Scripture where the Church is taken for the priestes without the people Ta. But yet the priestes are onely called Churchmen Pa. Why now you haue answered the matter soundly hereafter when they tell vs that the Church doth consist in the whole congregation of the faithfull we may then answer them that the priestes onely were called churchmen and therefore they must commande Kinges and Princes what they must doe and what religion they must establish Ta. It is very true for who should iudge of religion but the Priest Pa. Why then the priest must iudge of truth but the Prince you say may commande for truth and then we are all this while out of our reckoning for if it bee in the princes power to command for truth they will say that our gratious king commaundeth nothing here in Ireland but what Christ hath already commanded and what is established by the word of God and thus we haue brought our hogges to a faire market Ta. But that princes should haue power to compell mens consciences I say is a thing most vnreasonable Pa. And that euery ignorant and obstinate person shoulde make a conscience of euery popish fantazy is a thing most intollerable Ta. Doe you terme it to bee fantasticall that our progenitors haue professed and that we our selues were baptized in Pa. This is your common inchantment wherewith you bewitch a number of seely soules bearing them beleeue that in bap tisme they haue vowed themselues to your Romish religion but in whose name were you baptized was itin the popes or in Peters or in Paules if in no other then in the nameof Christ alone then are you made the sonnes of God and not the slaues and vassels of Rome and as in baptisme you receiued no mans marke but his so you stand bound to regard no mans voyce but his Ta. Yet I say still that it standes with no reason that a prince may forcibly compell any man against his conscience Pa. But I say still that a Prince may forcibly compell his subiectes from Idolatry and heresie to the sincere seruice of God the scriptures doe furnish vs with sundry presidents tending to that purpose amongst the rest take this one Iosiah was highly commended for making the people of Ierusalem all that were â—ound in Israell to serue the Lorde Ta. Iosiah compelled the people to serue the Lorde according to the truth but doth it therefore follow that euery prince may inforce a religion that is but fitting to his owne will and fancie Pa. It doth therefore followe and by the circumstance of the whole chapter it doth appeare that euery christian Prince throughout his realmes and dominions may roote out heresie Idolatry superstition and hauing againe restablished the true and sincere worship of God may compell and inforce his subiects both to obey and submit themselues vnto it Ta. But the religion which we professe is the true auncient Apostolicke religion first deliuered by Christ himselfe vnto Peter and by Peter himselfe to his successors the Bishops of Rome Pa. Indeede your Pope in his doctrine dooth as rightly succeede Saint Peter at Rome as the Turke doth succeed Saint Iames at Ierusalem and as the Scribes and Pharises did Moses in whose chayre they sate when they crucified the Sonne of God Ta. I hope you make no doubt but that the Pope is Saint Peters successor and that the chayre wheron he now sitteth at Rome was first Saint Peters seate Pa. I vnderstand not what you meane by the Popes chayre by Saint Peters seate whether you meane it by any Throne or Tabernacle or by some other Tribunall or what manner of stoole it should be that you call Saint Peters seate Ta. I beleeue you well for Protestants God knowes are not onely ignorant but they are likewise blind and senfeles in those thinges that doth appertaine to the misteryes of the Catholicke Church but for your better satisfaction and to giue you true weeting of Peters Seate what it is you that are so full of scripture cannot be ignorant where Christ in the 23. of Mathewe tolde his Disciples that the Scribes and Pharises did sit on Moses chayre willed them therefore in respect of their place both to heare and beleeue them being as they were successors vnto Moses then the like of Rome where Peter was sometimes Bishop and where he constantly preached Christ crucified must therefore necessarily be the Seate of Peter and this holy Sea of Rome is it which Peter hath left to his successors and we may as truly say that the Pope doth now sit on Peters Seate as Christ told his Disciples that the Scribes and Pharises did sit on Moses Chayre Pa. There haue beene many papistes that haue taken great paynes to proue that Peter was Bishop of Rome but there was yet neuer any one of them coulde make it so apparant but that wee might deny that by good authority that peter was euer at Rome at all but let it be granted that Peter were at Rome doth it therefore follow that the Sea of Rome must be Peters Seate Peter preached in many places before hee came to Rome if euer hee were there at all as it appeareth in the Actes of the Apostles and by the testimonie of your owne Legende Peter was a long time at Antioche and why should not Antioche or any other place where Peter taught and preached challenge a superioritie as far foorth as Rome Ta. I see I must render you a reason for the matter will it please you now to vnderstand that besides Peters being at Rome Peter likewise dyed at Rome and suffered vnder Nero therfore the place more holy and worthy of authoritie Pa. May it please you now to heare me to render you the like reason our Sauiour Iesus Christ was crucified and dyed at Ierusalem for the sinnes of the worlde and therefore in the worke of our redemption his power is more â—ull and ample at the citie of Ierusalem then it is in any other place where he hadde formerly taught and preached You say Protestants are blinded but if papisteswere not both blind and out of their wits besides they would neuer gather such conclusions whereby to vpholde the pride of their pope that be cause Peter was at Rome therefore the Sea of Rome must be Saint Peters seate but how hangeth this together where Christ in the 23. of Mathew tolde his Disciples that the Scribes and Pharises did sit on Moses Chayre what was ment by Moses chayre in this place it could not be meant by the citie of Ierasalem as the papistes would haue Rome to be the Seate of Peter because as they surmise Peter was at Rome but Moses was neuer at Ierusalem neither in the Synagogue neither in the Temple nor in any part of
truth Ta. You will hardly beleeue that Christ himselfe made the likenesse of his owne face and sent it to king Abaragus Pa. I could sooner beleeue hee sent it to the Queene rather then to the king himselfe Ta. And why more to the Queene then to the king himselfe Pa. Perhaps he might send it to the Queene for a loue token Ta. Patricke where haue you learned to speake of these nippinge iestes that you haue in such a readynes Pa. Sir Tady where haue you learned to shake of these shameles lyes which you haue in such abundance Ta. I tell ye it is testified for certayne that hee sent it to king Abaragus himselfe Pa. I tell ye I cannot beleeue any of these obscure fooleryes Ta. You will say it is but a fable that the Image of our Lady was drawne by Saint Luke Pa. But do you find this to be set downe for a wrytten verity Ta. What else it is testified and confidently deliuered by Simion Metaphrastes an auncient wryter Pa. Doth not your auncyent author make mention who it was that made our Ladyes Coach Ta. As though our Lady that bare Christ did euer ride in a Coache Pa. Why not ryde in a Coach aswell as haue her Picture drawne where it is common amongst Ladyes in this age and me thinkes Simion Metaphrastes should aswel haue made mention of the one as he did of the other Ta. I see you are too full of scoffes and I could wish you to leaue them Pa. I do but tosse you backe your owne balles such as you your selfe first serued to the house and myne answers I am sure are not so ridiculous as the matters you appose Ta. I appose you with nothing but what hath beene testified by the fathers of the church whose wrytinges although many of them be perished yet being left vnto vs by tradition they must be beleeuâ—d Pa. And vnder the names and tytles of these Catholik fathers no small store of monkishe Impietyes haue bine forged but the wisdome of God hath so prouided for his church that they are well enough discouered Ta. I perceiue you are very vehement against the worshipping of Images what say you then to the Inuocation of the holy Saints themselues may we call vppon them in the time of necessitye Pa. Come vnto me sayth our sauiour all you that are laden and I will ease you if he himselfe hath so louingly called vs if we refuse him and seeke toanother it is of some distrust that wee haue of him and what is that but to make God a lyer and not to think him true in the promise he hath made vnto vs. Ta. Well I perceiue there will nothing disgest with you but Scriptures looke into the 5. of Iob how like you of those words call now if any will answer thee and turne thee to some of the Saints Pa. The wordes of Elyphaze one of Iobs friends who speaketh not of the Saints departed but wisheth Iob to consider whither any of the godly then liuing did so rage and murmure against God as he did Ta. But that God will accept of other mens prayers for vs looke into the 4 2 of Iob when his wrath being kindled against Elyphaze and his friends hee would not heare themselues but accepted Iobs prayers for them Pa. Elyphaze and his two friends because they contemned Iob and preferred their owne ryghteousnes God therefore to pull downe their pride and to giue a testimony of Iobs Innocency faith and patience sendeth Elyphaze and his felowes to Iob promising to accept his prayers for them but papystes are neare driven when they must fetch confirmation out of the old testament for the Inuocation of Saints when their owne Iesuites doe confesse that before Christs ascention praying to Saints were not in vse especially of those that were dead and deseased which by the opinion of the papistes were in Limbo till Christs ascention Ta. The fathers of the old testament did often alledge and appose against godes wrath the names and merytes of the holy Patryarches remember thy seruant Abraham Isack and Iacob for thy seruante Dauides sake refuse not thine annoynted and why may we not then stand vpon Saints merites Pa. But these Inuocations thus made doe not depend vpon the merytes of those holy Patryarches but vppon the couenant and promise which God had made vnto them and to their posterity so sayth Moses remember Abraham Isack and Iacob thy seruantes to whom thou hast sworne by thine owne selfe that thou wilt multiply their seede and such other places there be sundry in the old testament Ta. It should stand with reason and common sence that like as we are first brought into the presence of earthly kinges by fauourites and such as are in grace and lykinge about him euen so doe Saints by their holy prayers bring vs to the presence and fauour of the kinge of heauen Pa. Call vppon me in the day of trouble saith God by his Prophet and I will heare thee if any man sinne saith Saint Iohn we haue an aduocate with the father Iesus Christ No man cometh to the father but by the sonne and whatsoeuer we shall aske in Christes name we shall obtayne the same vndoubtedly These and many otherlike places we haue in the Scriptures that sende vs to Christ now if you can shew vs but one text that doth commaund vs to pray vnto Saintes it shall suffice I will neuer contend further Ta. If we haue no text of Scripture that doth command it yet being as it is approued by the Romish Church is asmuch as we care for Pa. Your Romish church indeede doth avouch what sheâ— list without care without cause without shame or without sence Ta. That the Saintes are not onely medyators and intercessors for vs that they haue sometimes a hand in our redemptyon doth playnely appeare by this prayer that the church of Rome readeth publyquely vppon Saint Thomas Beckets day that was sometynes Bishope of Canturbury which followeth in these wordes Dens pro ouius Eclesia c. O God for whose Church the glorious Bishop Thomas was put to death by the swordes of the wicked grant we beseech thee that all that desire his helpe may atteyne the effect of their petition to saluation By this it doth appeare how that gloryous Bishop Thomas did shed his bloud for the church of God And that the mistery might the more playnely appeare marke yet agayne this second prayer conteined in these wordes Tu per Tho sanguinem c. Thou O Chryst cause vs to come thither where Thomas is euen for the bloud which he shed for thy sake By this it apeareth that this holy Martyr is not only a medyatour but a redeemer for here we make intercessioÌ„ vnto Christ that by the bloud which Thomas shed wee may come where Thomas is the wordes are playne Pa. And that is to the infernal pit of Hell O doctryne of diueles that doth teach the silly people to flie from the blod
him euen by the truth of his and our nature flesh and substance as members of the same body to their head the sacrament is but onely annexed as a signe to the heauenly grace and therefore your imagination of this real presence is odible heresie and your worshipping the elimentes of bread and wine abhominable Idolatry Ta. But tell me Patricke is this the doctrine of your Colledge Pa. No Syr Tady it is the doctrine of Christ that is reade and taught in the Colledge It was pitie that Academe of heresie was euer founded for sith the erection of that paultry school house the Catholicke religion is dispised God is dishonored and our blessed Lady is out of all request throughout the whole Realme of Ireland Pa. O good Syr Tady be not deceiued Ladies were neuer in better request then they be at this day in Dublyne Ta. You are contemners of the Catholicke religion in your not adoring the blessed sacrament you dishonor God Pa. I wonder from whence you doe fetch your adoration we haue warrant in the scriptures to take and eate but not to kneele downe and worship Ta. Did not Christ say this is my body Pa He did so but is that all that you haue to say for your worshipping Ta. Doth not your Colledge teach that Christ is alwayes present with vs here on earth Pa. Our Sauiour himselfe hath spoke it Loe I am alwayes present with you till the end of the world Ta. That 's well yet that you are conformable to some thing Pa. His diuinitie no doubt is alwayes present with vs but in his humanitie neyther really locally nor corporally as the papist doth grosly imagine Ta. Are you there againe with your Beares I say if he be present with vs it must needes be corporally and locally comprised in the formes of bread and wine in the blessed sacrament Pa. You make your reall and corporall presence to be a shelter for your errours but that being false as long since hath bin proued what are you then but most odible Idolators Ta. I say that after the wordes of consecration are once spokē by the priest the eliments of bread and wine are presently transubstantiated into the blessed body of Christ really and substantially as he was borne of the virgin Mary and what thinke you now is not the sonne of God worthy to be worshipped Pa. No doubt of it Syr Tady but the sonne of God is worthie of all honor but doe you thinke him to be there indeed in these formes as you haue spoke of Ta. It hath beene so receiued amongst the Catholickes for an vndoubted article for these many hundred yeares Pa. I do aske you Syr Tady in the more ceremonious maner because I haue heard of a madde conceited knight that was an Essex man called by the name of Syr Iohn Raynsforde who in Queene Maries dayes being in the company of Edmond Bonner then Bishop of London who suspecting the knight to be aduerse to their religion would needs vrge him to make manifest to the world what hee did beleeue of the blessed sacrament of the Altar thereby to shew himselfe to be an obedient childe truly legitimate to the Catholicke Church The Knight would giue no other answer but that he beleeued as the Bishop himselfe beleeued and prayed the Bishop to speak truly what he himselfe did thinke in the matter To whom the Bishop answered that he shamed not to make free confession of his faith at all times and in all places And to satisfie your demande sayd the Bishop my beleife is that in the sacrifice of the Masse after the priest hath spoken the wordes of consecration there remayneth no more breade nor wine but the blessed body of Iesus Christ is there really conteined vnder the formes of bread and wine Very well said the knight it is an easie matter for a man to be leeue all this but what else what else what doe you thinke more of that blessed sacrament why quoth the Bishop what should I thinke more then I haue already sayd I thinke that after the words of consecration being spoken by the priest that there remaineth the blessed body of Iesus Christ flesh bloud and bone as he was borne of the virgin Mary The Knight began in a ceremonious manner to protest how his beleife was that after the priest had spoken the words of consecration Hoc est Corpus meum that vnder the formes of bread and wine Christ was there remaining in a suite of Russet Satine a velvit Cap and a feather on his heade a Spanishe Coape on his backe a payre of silke stockinges and a gylt Rapyer Dagger by his side How thinke you now Syr Tady by the knights opinion I promise you for my parte I beleeue the Bishop and him both alike Ta. Haue I all this while listened for such a conclusion but tel me Patricke what became of that knight was he not burned for his heresie Pa. It is more heresie for a man to beleeue that Christ is in the sacrament gentleman-like then for our massing priestes of Ireland to sute themselues in that generous manner euery day when they list Ta. Well Patricke I doe see you are so blinded with presumption and rebellion against the Catholicke Church that you will beleeue nothing but what is pleasing to your owne fantasie Pa. Nay what an absurditie is in you to thinke that Christ is eaten and deuoured by the wicked Christ entereth the soule but not the mouth of man Eate you this is my body Drinke you this is my bloud these speeches cannot be religious except they bee figuratiue for this grosse conceipt of a carnall eating was it that offended the Caperniates in the sixt of Iohn Yet that great fauourer of Popery of England Syr Thomas Moore that Bellarmine so much extolles for his wit and learning doth litterally presse those wordes of Christ against Iohn Fryth in this manner following The very circumstance of the place in the Gospell in which our Sauiour speaketh of that sacrament may well make open the difference of his speeches in this matter and of all the other and that as he spake all those but in an Allegory so spake hee this playnely meaning that he spake of his very body and his very bloud besides all Allegories For when our Lord sayde he was a very Vine and when he sayd he was a doore there was none that hearde him that any thing marueyled thereat And why for because they perceiued wel that he ment not that he was a materiall Vine or doore indeed but when he sayde that his flesh was very meate and his bloud very drinke and that they shoulde not be saued but if they did eate his flesh and drinke his bloud then were they all in such a wonder thereof that they could not abide And wherefore but because they perceiued well by his words and his manner of circumstances that Christ spake of his very flesh and his very bloud Nowe if maister Mores