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inflict_v temporal_a or_o corporal_a punishment_n upon_o heretical_a or_o schismatical_a prince_n if_o they_o shall_v contemn_v ecclesiastical_a censure_n for_o otherwise_o how_o be_v that_o say_v he_o 10._o he_o num._n 35._o pag._n 89._o 2._o cor._n 10._o fulfil_v which_o the_o apostle_n say_v of_o the_o most_o ample_a power_n that_o he_o and_o other_o apostle_n have_v to_o destroy_v munition_n &_o counsel_n and_o all_o altitude_n or_o lostinesse_n extol_v itself_o against_o the_o knowledge_n of_o god_n yea_o and_o to_o revenge_v or_o punish_v omnem_fw-la inobedientiam_fw-la all_o disobedience_n which_o word_n s._n augustine_n 50._o august_n ad_fw-la bonifac_o com._n epist_n 50._o understand_v of_o the_o authority_n leave_v by_o our_o saviour_n to_o his_o church_n to_o compel_v her_o rebellious_a and_o disobedient_a child_n to_o perform_v their_o duty_n and_o the_o same_o be_v also_o acknowledge_v by_o some_o of_o our_o principal_a adversary_n namely_o caluin_n place_n caluin_n upon_o 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de_fw-la paenit_fw-la c._n 2._o hieron_n lib._n 1._o contra_fw-la jovinian_a aug._n troth_n 50._o &_o 124._o in_o joan._n &_o tract_n 10._o in_o epi._n joan._n &_o in_o psal_n 108._o leo_fw-la serm_n 3._o in_o anniu_n assumpt_n fulgentius_n de_fw-fr fide_fw-la ad_fw-la petr._n &_o l._n 1._o de_fw-la remis_fw-la pec_fw-la c._n 24._o beda_n &_o ansel_n in_o mat._n 16._o euthym._n c._n 33._o in_o matth._n haymo_n hom_n in_o fest_n petri_n &_o pauli_n hugo_n de_fw-fr s._n vic_a l._n 1._o de_fw-fr sacram._n c._n 26._o &_o alibi_fw-la durand_n in_o 4._o do_v 18._o q._n 2._o â—yra_n in_o mat._n 16_o walden_n tom_fw-mi 2._o doct_n fid_fw-we c._n 138._o cusanus_fw-la l._n 2._o the_o concord_n cat._n c._n 13._o &_o 34._o and_o common_o all_o the_o ancient_a doctor_n of_o paris_n if_o from_o the_o power_n to_o bind_v and_o loose_v promise_v to_o saint_n peter_n it_o do_v necessary_o follow_v that_o s._n peter_n and_o
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soluere_fw-la potestis_fw-la in_o terra_fw-la imperia_n regna_fw-la principatus_fw-la ducatus_fw-la marchias_n comitatus_fw-la &_o omnium_fw-la hominum_fw-la possessiones_fw-la pro_fw-la meritis_fw-la tollere_fw-la unicuique_fw-la &_o concedere_fw-la 12_o i_o grant_v likewise_o that_o pascere_fw-la to_o feed_v be_v take_v also_o for_o regere_fw-la to_o govern_v but_o not_o as_o a_o king_n govern_v his_o kingdom_n but_o as_o a_o shepherd_n govern_v his_o flock_n as_o well_o observe_v jansenius_n upon_o this_o place_n of_o s._n john_n christ_n say_v theophylact_v do_v not_o make_v peter_n a_o lord_n nor_o a_o king_n nor_o a_o prince_n but_o command_v he_o to_o be_v a_o shepherd_n wherefore_o as_o those_o word_n whatsoever_o thou_o shall_v bind_v etc._n etc._n be_v to_o be_v understand_v of_o spiritual_a not_o temporal_a binding_n and_o loosing_n and_o be_v speak_v not_o only_o to_o saint_n peter_n but_o also_o to_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o apostle_n so_o also_o these_o word_n feed_v my_o sheep_n be_v to_o be_v understand_v of_o spiritual_a feed_n or_o government_n and_o do_v belong_v not_o only_o to_o s._n peter_n but_o also_o to_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o apostle_n who_o s._n peter_n do_v represent_v atque_fw-la hoc_fw-la ab_fw-la ipso_fw-la christo_fw-la docemur_fw-la etc._n etc._n say_v s._n basill_n and_o this_o we_o be_v teach_v by_o christ_n himself_o who_o appoint_v peter_n the_o pastor_n of_o his_o church_n after_o he_o for_o peter_n say_v he_o do_v thou_o love_v i_o more_o than_o these_o feed_v my_o sheep_n and_o consequent_o he_o give_v to_o all_o pastor_n and_o doctor_n the_o same_o power_n whereof_o this_o be_v a_o sign_n that_o all_o do_v equal_o bind_v and_o loose_a after_o that_o manner_n as_o he_o feed_v my_o sheep_n say_v s._n ambrose_n which_o sheep_n and_o which_o flock_n 2._o amb._n de_fw-fr dignit_fw-la sacerd_v c._n 2._o not_o only_o bless_v peter_n do_v then_o take_v to_o his_o charge_n but_o he_o do_v take_v charge_n of_o they_o with_o we_o and_o all_o we_o take_v charge_n of_o they_o with_o he_o for_o not_o without_o cause_n 30._o aug._n de_fw-fr ago_o christiano_n c._n 30._o say_v s._n augustine_n among_o all_o the_o apostle_n peter_n sustain_v the_o person_n of_o this_o catholic_a church_n for_o to_o this_o church_n the_o key_n of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n be_v give_v when_o they_o be_v give_v to_o peter_n and_o when_o it_o be_v say_v to_o he_o it_o be_v say_v to_o all_o do_v thou_o love_v feed_v my_o sheep_n let_v bishop_n and_o preacher_n of_o the_o word_n hear_v say_v theophylact_v what_o be_v commend_v to_o they_o 1580._o theoph._n in_o c._n 21._o joan._n bell._n lib._n 2._o de_fw-fr rom._n pont._n c._n 12._o in_o fine_a edit_fw-la ingolstad_n anno_o 1580._o feed_v say_v christ_n my_o sheep_n etc._n etc._n certain_a thing_n say_v cardinal_n bellarmine_n be_v say_v to_o peter_n in_o regard_n of_o the_o pastoral_n office_n which_o therefore_o be_v understand_v to_o be_v say_v to_o all_o pastor_n as_o feed_v my_o sheep_n and_o confirm_v thy_o brethren_n and_o whatsoever_o thou_o shall_v bind_v etc._n etc._n but_o of_o this_o my_o second_o answer_n more_o beneath_o seq_fw-la beneath_o nu_fw-la 21._o &_o seq_fw-la where_o you_o shall_v see_v in_o what_o fraudulent_a manner_n d._n schulckenius_n repli_v to_o the_o same_o 13_o now_o you_o shall_v see_v what_o necessary_a consequent_n mr._n fitzherbert_n have_v draw_v from_o those_o word_n of_o our_o saviour_n speak_v to_o s._n peter_n whatsoever_o thou_o shall_v bind_v etc._n etc._n and_o feed_v my_o sheep_n for_o as_o much_o say_v he_o 61._o he_o nu_fw-la 33._o p_o 87_o suppl_n nu_fw-la 61._o at_o there_o can_v be_v no_o good_a government_n of_o man_n without_o chastisement_n when_o just_a occasion_n require_v it_o follow_v that_o christ_n give_v the_o government_n of_o his_o church_n to_o s._n peter_n and_o so_o consequent_o to_o his_o successor_n give_v they_o also_o power_n to_o chastise_v and_o punish_v such_o as_o shall_v deserve_v it_o 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be_v convert_v to_o the_o faith_n can_v remain_v with_o the_o other_o consort_n who_o be_v not_o convert_v without_o offence_n or_o injury_n to_o god_n or_o if_o the_o party_n who_o be_v not_o convert_v will_v needs_o depart_v from_o the_o christian_a it_o be_v lawful_a also_o for_o the_o christian_n to_o depart_v and_o marry_v another_o and_o the_o church_n also_o may_v in_o the_o like_a case_n permit_v and_o ordain_v the_o same_o for_o this_o be_v only_o to_o declare_v the_o law_n of_o god._n but_o that_o which_o fitzherbert_n add_v that_o in_o the_o like_a case_n the_o church_n may_v ordain_v the_o same_o not_o only_o for_o the_o benefit_n of_o the_o party_n innocent_a but_o also_o for_o the_o just_a punishment_n of_o the_o offender_n be_v repugnant_a to_o the_o common_a doctrine_n of_o divine_n for_o the_o offender_n in_o s._n paul_n case_n be_v a_o infidel_n and_o not_o a_o christian_a who_o only_o according_a to_o the_o common_a opinion_n of_o divine_n can_v be_v punish_v by_o 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it_o do_v not_o ordain_v or_o command_v any_o new_a thing_n but_o only_o declare_v the_o law_n of_o god_n and_o nature_n and_o that_o by_o thing_n strangle_v and_o blood_n be_v understand_v only_o manslaughter_n 20._o irenae_n l._n 3._o c._n 12_o cypr._n l._n 3._o ad_fw-la quirimum_fw-la c._n ul_a see_v suarez_n lib._n â—_o de_fw-fr leg._n ca._n 20._o either_o by_o strangle_v or_o by_o the_o effusion_n of_o blood_n as_o irenaeus_n s._n cyprian_n and_o other_o do_v seem_v to_o understand_v those_o word_n and_o likewise_o that_o meat_n offer_v to_o idol_n be_v here_o only_o forbid_v to_o be_v eat_v either_o with_o a_o superstitious_a worship_n as_o though_o some_o sacred_a thing_n be_v in_o those_o meat_n in_o regard_n of_o the_o idol_n or_o else_o with_o the_o scandal_n of_o other_o both_o which_o be_v against_o the_o law_n of_o god_n &_o nature_n and_o both_o which_o sense_n may_v be_v gather_v from_o the_o word_n of_o s._n paul_n 1_o cor._n 8._o vers_fw-la 4._o and_o 7._o and_o 1._o cor._n 10._o vers_fw-la 28._o &_o 29._o 18_o and_o in_o the_o like_o proportionate_a manner_n i_o have_v answer_v to_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o lateran_n council_n not_o by_o impugn_v but_o by_o expound_v the_o same_o for_o consider_v that_o it_o be_v true_o a_o probable_a doctrine_n and_o maintain_v by_o very_a many_o doctor_n as_o almain_n affirm_v that_o the_o ecclesiastical_a power_n of_o the_o church_n do_v not_o by_o the_o institution_n of_o christ_n extend_v to_o the_o inflict_v of_o temporal_a punishment_n as_o death_n exile_n privation_n of_o good_n imprisonment_n and_o when_o she_o use_v these_o she_o do_v it_o by_o the_o pure_a positive_a law_n and_o privilege_n of_o prince_n it_o be_v evident_a that_o we_o may_v probable_o answer_v that_o decree_n of_o the_o lateran_n council_n if_o we_o may_v call_v it_o a_o decree_n concern_v the_o future_a fact_n of_o the_o deposition_n of_o temporal_a landlord_n or_o magistrate_n not_o to_o proceed_v from_o ecclesiastical_a or_o 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impose_v commandment_n upon_o the_o pope_n or_o to_o give_v he_o any_o authority_n or_o privilege_n which_o nevertheless_o they_o utter_o deny_v and_o therefore_o these_o word_n as_o of_o themselves_o it_o be_v plain_a do_v only_o import_v and_o signify_v the_o end_n reason_n or_o cause_n of_o the_o former_a decree_n to_o wit_n wherefore_o it_o must_v be_v signify_v to_o the_o pope_n that_o such_o a_o temporal_a landlord_n have_v be_v excommunicate_v for_o a_o whole_a year_n 20_o and_o by_o this_o it_o be_v evident_a first_o that_o see_v that_o in_o general_a counsel_n according_a to_o the_o express_a doctrine_n of_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n the_o great_a part_n of_o the_o act_n do_v not_o appertain_v to_o faith_n for_o neither_o be_v of_o faith_n the_o disputation_n which_o go_v before_o nor_o the_o reason_n which_o be_v add_v nor_o those_o thing_n which_o be_v bring_v to_o explicate_v and_o illustrate_v but_o only_o the_o bare_a decree_n and_o those_o not_o all_o but_o which_o be_v 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in_o the_o solemn_a vow_n of_o chastity_n and_o to_o give_v leave_n to_o a_o inferior_a priest_n who_o be_v no_o bishop_n to_o minister_v the_o sacrament_n of_o confirmation_n 12_o thus_o i_o argue_v in_o my_o apologetical_a preface_n and_o then_o i_o conclude_v thus_o let_v my_o adversary_n solve_v these_o difficulty_n and_o i_o will_v forthwith_o by_o their_o own_o solution_n untie_v the_o aforesaid_a knot_n which_o they_o imagine_v can_v in_o any_o wise_a be_v solue_v or_o loose_v whereby_o it_o be_v apparent_a that_o i_o do_v not_o oppose_v or_o apply_v any_o one_o of_o these_o three_o instance_n either_o to_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o lateran_n council_n or_o to_o any_o other_o canon_n of_o pope_n or_o council_n which_o be_v usual_o bring_v by_o my_o adversary_n to_o prove_v that_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o pope_n power_n to_o depose_v prince_n be_v a_o point_n of_o faith_n but_o as_o fa._n lessius_fw-la do_v not_o apply_v in_o particular_a those_o his_o three_o argument_n 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widdrington_n have_v hitherto_o show_v great_a weakness_n in_o himself_o and_o his_o cause_n by_o his_o answer_n to_o our_o argument_n 52._o widdr._fw-la ubi_fw-la supra_fw-la nu_fw-la 52._o pretend_v to_o confute_v a_o reply_n which_o he_o suppose_v we_o will_v make_v to_o his_o last_o answer_n divide_v the_o say_a reply_n into_o three_o point_n whereof_o the_o first_o be_v that_o the_o foundation_n and_o ground_n of_o the_o ecclesiastical_a canon_n and_o decree_n of_o pope_n and_o counsel_n do_v belong_v to_o faith_n whereupon_o widdrington_n say_v we_o infer_v that_o see_v the_o father_n in_o the_o council_n of_o lateran_n ground_v their_o decree_n upon_o this_o doctrine_n that_o the_o pope_n have_v power_n to_o depose_v prince_n therefore_o the_o say_a doctrine_n must_v needs_o be_v certain_a and_o a_o matter_n of_o faith_n 53._o ibid._n nu_fw-la 53._o 14_o the_o second_o point_n be_v that_o see_v no_o catholic_a man_n will_v doubt_v but_o that_o all_o christian_n be_v bind_v to_o believe_v as_o a_o matter_n of_o faith_n that_o the_o pope_n have_v power_n to_o depose_v prince_n if_o a_o general_a council_n shall_v express_o define_v it_o therefore_o we_o say_v that_o forasmuch_o as_o the_o council_n of_o lateran_n do_v suppose_v the_o same_o as_o a_o sure_a foundation_n of_o their_o foresay_a canon_n and_o decree_n all_o christian_n be_v no_o less_o bind_v to_o believe_v it_o then_o if_o they_o have_v express_o determine_v or_o define_v it_o 54._o ibid._n nu_fw-la 54._o 15_o the_o three_o point_n be_v that_o it_o be_v a_o matter_n of_o faith_n that_o the_o church_n can_v err_v in_o general_a precept_n or_o decree_n concern_v manner_n it_o follow_v that_o the_o council_n of_o lateran_n have_v ordain_v the_o deposition_n of_o prince_n neither_o have_v err_v nor_o can_v err_v in_o it_o especial_o see_v that_o the_o error_n will_v be_v most_o grievous_a and_o pernicious_a to_o all_o christian_n for_o thereupon_o will_v follow_v tumult_n sedition_n and_o war_n by_o reason_n of_o the_o revolt_n and_o rebellion_n of_o subject_n against_o their_o prince_n and_o the_o breach_n of_o their_o oath_n of_o fidelity_n which_o be_v no_o less_o than_o perjury_n if_o the_o pope_n have_v not_o authority_n to_o discharge_v subject_n of_o their_o allegiance_n and_o fidelity_n to_o their_o prince_n thus_o in_o effect_n though_o somewhat_o more_o ample_o do_v widdrington_n argue_v for_o us._n 16_o but_o first_o whether_o i_o or_o my_o adversary_n have_v show_v great_a weakness_n in_o ourselves_o and_o in_o our_o cause_n neither_o he_o nor_o i_o but_o the_o judicious_a reader_n must_v be_v the_o judge_n for_o with_o the_o same_o facility_n i_o may_v retort_v his_o own_o word_n back_o upon_o himself_o second_o i_o do_v not_o only_o suppose_v that_o they_o will_v make_v those_o three_o argument_n but_o i_o relate_v they_o word_n by_o word_n as_o i_o find_v they_o in_o fa._n lessius_fw-la which_o nevertheless_o mr._n fitzherbert_n have_v very_o lame_o recite_v especial_o the_o first_o and_o last_o argument_n leave_v out_o many_o principal_n and_o very_o important_a word_n as_o you_o may_v see_v if_o you_o will_v compare_v they_o together_o three_o i_o do_v not_o say_v that_o hereupon_o they_o do_v infer_v as_o this_o man_n untrue_o say_v i_o do_v that_o see_v the_o father_n in_o the_o council_n of_o lateran_n ground_v their_o decree_n upon_o this_o doctrine_n that_o the_o pope_n have_v power_n to_o depose_v prince_n therefore_o this_o doctrine_n must_v be_v certain_a and_o of_o faith_n for_o albeit_o fa._n lessius_fw-la may_v seem_v to_o apply_v his_o second_o argument_n to_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o lateran_n council_n which_o nevertheless_o he_o may_v also_o apply_v to_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o council_n of_o lion_n yet_o his_o other_o argument_n especial_o his_o first_o be_v so_o general_a that_o they_o may_v be_v apply_v to_o many_o other_o decree_n canon_n dispensation_n and_o judicial_a sentence_n of_o pope_n or_o counsel_n and_o if_o fa._n lessius_fw-la have_v particular_o apply_v they_o to_o the_o lateran_n council_n i_o may_v without_o more_o ado_n have_v easy_o answer_v they_o by_o deny_v as_o there_o i_o do_v that_o the_o council_n do_v suppose_v as_o a_o foundation_n of_o that_o decree_n or_o act_n concern_v the_o absolve_a of_o vassal_n from_o their_o fealty_n this_o doctrine_n that_o the_o pope_n have_v power_n to_o depose_v absolute_a prince_n but_o only_o inferior_a magistrate_n landlord_n or_o lord_n by_o the_o authority_n and_o consent_n of_o absolute_a prince_n 17_o now_o for_o the_o answer_n and_o confutation_n say_v 5._o say_v pag._n 186._o nu_fw-la 4._o 5._o mr._n fitzherbert_n of_o these_o three_o argument_n widdrington_n produce_v three_o instance_n to_o prove_v that_o the_o pope_n do_v sometime_o exercise_v his_o power_n with_o danger_n of_o pernicious_a &_o most_o grievous_a error_n when_o nevertheless_o it_o be_v uncertain_a whether_o he_o have_v such_o power_n or_o no._n his_o first_o instance_n be_v that_o the_o pope_n have_v often_o give_v lilence_n to_o a_o priest_n to_o minister_v and_o confer_v the_o sacrament_n of_o confirmation_n notwithstanding_o that_o diverse_a great_a doctor_n do_v deny_v that_o the_o pope_n can_v give_v such_o licence_n or_o commission_n whereupon_o he_o conclude_v that_o it_o be_v not_o certain_a alij_fw-la durand_n bonavent_n adrian_n &_o alij_fw-la whether_o the_o pope_n have_v the_o power_n which_o he_o exerci_v in_o give_v such_o licenses_fw-la and_o add_v further_a a_o non_fw-la say_v he_o gravissimus_fw-la error_n est_fw-la &_o c_o be_v it_o not_o a_o most_o grievous_a error_n to_o grant_v such_o licence_n whereby_o there_o be_v danger_n to_o commit_v most_o grievous_a sacrilege_n to_o wit_n the_o invalide_a administration_n of_o sacrament_n so_o he_o show_v evident_o how_o unreverent_a a_o opinion_n he_o have_v of_o the_o licence_n dispensation_n and_o other_o action_n of_o pope_n see_v that_o
nevertheless_o according_a to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n and_o canus_n be_v necessary_a to_o make_v any_o decree_n of_o a_o general_a council_n to_o appertain_v to_o faith_n and_o second_o here_o in_o this_o place_n i_o do_v only_o argue_v against_o the_o first_o argument_n bring_v by_o fa._n lessius_fw-la who_o in_o his_o mayor_n proposition_n speak_v general_o of_o all_o decree_n and_o sentence_n of_o pope_n and_o counsel_n that_o doctrine_n say_v he_o do_v appertain_v to_o faith_n which_o pope_n counsel_n and_o doctor_n do_v either_o propound_v or_o suppose_v as_o a_o certain_a foundation_n of_o their_o decree_n and_o sentence_n etc._n etc._n and_o against_o this_o argument_n i_o do_v oppose_v as_o you_o have_v see_v another_o like_a instance_n ground_v upon_o three_o example_n of_o decree_n dispensation_n and_o judicial_a sentence_n of_o diverse_a pope_n which_o instance_n of_o my_o mr._n fitzherbert_n conceal_v and_o by_o the_o word_n foundation_n i_o do_v not_o only_o understand_v the_o reason_n which_o move_v those_o pope_n to_o make_v such_o decree_n and_o to_o grant_v such_o dispensation_n and_o licence_n as_o for_o example_n that_o s._n gregory_n as_o my_o adversary_n say_v grant_v licence_n to_o some_o priest_n in_o sardinia_n to_o administer_v the_o sacrament_n of_o confirmation_n by_o reason_n of_o the_o great_a want_n of_o bishop_n in_o that_o island_n but_o by_o the_o word_n foundation_n i_o understand_v the_o authority_n itself_o which_o those_o pope_n pretend_a to_o have_v to_o make_v such_o decree_n and_o to_o grant_v such_o licence_n and_o dispensation_n and_o the_o reason_n and_o foundation_n whereon_o that_o pretend_a authority_n of_o they_o be_v ground_v which_o authority_n of_o they_o i_o show_v to_o be_v uncertain_a and_o consequent_o not_o to_o belong_v to_o faith_n and_o therefore_o the_o first_o argument_n of_o fa._n lessius_fw-la to_o be_v defective_a 29_o and_o although_o there_o be_v a_o evident_a disparity_n 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some_o learned_a man_n therefore_o it_o be_v uncertain_a also_o in_o itself_o or_o to_o the_o pope_n that_o give_v the_o licence_n as_o who_o will_v say_v that_o because_o the_o reason_n of_o pope_n pius_n his_o decree_n concern_v the_o observation_n of_o the_o feast_n of_o easter_n seem_v uncertain_a to_o the_o church_n of_o asia_n therefore_o it_o be_v uncertain_a in_o itself_o or_o to_o pope_n pius_n who_o make_v the_o decree_n whereas_o the_o reason_n or_o gound_z of_o the_o say_a decree_n to_o wit_n the_o tradition_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n be_v not_o only_o certain_a to_o pope_n pius_n and_o his_o successor_n victor_n 25_o victor_n euseb_n l._n 5._o hist_o c._n 24._o &_o 25_o who_o excommunicate_v the_o church_n of_o asia_n for_o resist_v it_o but_o also_o to_o the_o first_o council_n of_o nice_a which_o afterward_o decree_v the_o same_o yea_o to_o the_o whole_a church_n which_o follow_v the_o decree_n of_o the_o say_a pope_n and_o nicen_n council_n account_v they_o for_o heretic_n that_o do_v contradict_v they_o as_o i_o have_v show_v before_o seq_fw-la before_o see_v chap._n 13_o nu_fw-la 4._o &_o 7._o and_o see_v also_o the_o answer_n thereunto_o chap._n 13._o nu_fw-la 22._o &_o seq_fw-la 31_o the_o like_a also_o may_v be_v say_v of_o the_o rebaptisation_n of_o such_o as_o be_v baptize_v by_o heretic_n which_o be_v condemn_v by_o the_o sea_n apostolic_a upon_o a_o assure_a ground_n albeit_o the_o same_o seem_v uncertain_a and_o erroneous_a to_o saint_n cyprian_n and_o to_o a_o synod_n of_o bishop_n with_o he_o who_o be_v of_o contrary_a opinion_n so_o as_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o many_o thing_n may_v seem_v uncertain_a to_o some_o learned_a man_n and_o yet_o be_v most_o certain_a to_o the_o sea_n apostolic_a and_o therefore_o widdrington_n argue_v very_o ridiculous_o if_o he_o infer_v as_o he_o seem_v to_o do_v that_o the_o reason_n which_o move_v some_o pope_n to_o give_v licence_n to_o priest_n to_o administer_v the_o sacrament_n of_o confirmation_n be_v uncertain_a or_o erroneous_a because_o it_o seem_v so_o to_o some_o learned_a man_n 32_o but_o beside_o that_o i_o make_v no_o such_o inference_n as_o this_o man_n faign_v and_o the_o reader_n may_v plain_o see_v by_o the_o example_n and_o instance_n which_o i_o have_v entire_o set_v down_o and_o mr._n fitzherbert_n have_v fraudulent_o conceal_v it_o be_v evident_a that_o he_o here_o insinuate_v give_v credit_n therein_o to_o fa._n lessius_fw-la a_o most_o dangerous_a and_o pernicious_a doctrine_n to_o wit_n that_o all_o catholic_n be_v bind_v to_o follow_v in_o matter_n which_o be_v in_o controversy_n among_o learned_a man_n the_o pope_n private_a spirit_n faith_n and_o knowledge_n as_o though_o the_o church_n of_o god_n be_v to_o be_v guide_v and_o govern_v in_o matter_n which_o be_v questionable_a among_o learned_a catholic_n by_o the_o private_a faith_n spirit_n or_o knowledge_n of_o any_o man_n yea_o of_o the_o pope_n himself_o or_o that_o christ_n have_v 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