necessary_a be_v evident_o contain_v in_o scripture_n in_o that_o first_o sense_n and_o by_o a_o evidence_n of_o the_o text_n alone_o without_o dependence_n or_o relation_n to_o any_o other_o thing_n for_o example_n the_o church_n or_o tradition_n which_o particular_n sure_o the_o scripture_n never_o express_v i_o beseech_v the_o reader_n to_o consider_v this_o and_o mark_v to_o what_o a_o impossible_a task_n protestant_n be_v engage_v yet_o this_o be_v not_o all_o it_o will_v still_o remain_v doubtful_a whether_o that_o text_n which_o do_v say_v that_o all_o thing_n be_v evident_o contain_v in_o scripture_n be_v understand_v universal_o of_o all_o thing_n necessary_a to_o be_v believe_v or_o only_o of_o thing_n necessary_a to_o be_v believe_v and_o write_v which_o if_o you_o will_v needs_o have_v to_o be_v all_o one_o or_o of_o the_o same_o extent_n you_o beg_v the_o question_n in_o suppose_v that_o all_o thing_n necessary_a to_o be_v believe_v be_v necessary_o to_o be_v write_v in_o the_o holy_a scripture_n 10._o these_o reflection_n be_v premise_v about_o the_o mean_v of_o the_o word_n necessary_a and_o evident_a i_o believe_v any_o man_n who_o as_o i_o say_v shall_v think_v well_o before_o he_o speak_v and_o then_o speak_v as_o he_o think_v will_v hold_v it_o a_o very_a impossible_a thing_n to_o prove_v evident_o out_o of_o scripture_n all_o thing_n necessary_a for_o the_o church_n as_o one_o mystical_a body_n for_o every_o degree_n and_o for_o every_o particular_a member_n thereof_o according_a to_o the_o first_o mean_v of_o evidence_n and_o other_o prescription_n which_o i_o have_v declare_v let_v we_o therefore_o look_v back_o a_o little_a upon_o those_o three_o different_a sort_n of_o person_n 11._o first_n for_o government_n and_o governor_n of_o the_o church_n if_o we_o abstract_a from_o the_o authority_n practice_n tradition_n and_o interpretation_n of_o god_n church_n i_o wonder_v who_o will_v go_v about_o to_o prove_v with_o certainty_n out_o of_o evident_a scripture_n what_o episcopus_fw-la must_v signify_v in_o scripture_n a_o bishop_n superintendent_n or_o overseer_n or_o any_o who_o have_v a_o charge_n or_o superiority_n according_a to_o the_o fashion_n of_o protestant_n who_o love_n to_o take_v word_n according_a to_o grammatical_a derivation_n not_o according_a to_o the_o ecclesiastical_a ancient_a use_n of_o they_o even_a protestant_n grant_v that_o the_o word_n presbyter_n and_o episcopus_fw-la be_v in_o scripture_n take_v for_o the_o same_o and_o dr_n jer_n taylor_n in_o his_o defence_n of_o episcopacy_n §_o 23._o pag_n 128._o say_v express_o the_o first_o thing_n do_v in_o christendom_n upon_o the_o death_n of_o the_o apostle_n in_o this_o matter_n of_o episcopacy_n be_v the_o distinguish_n of_o name_n which_o before_o be_v common_a if_o they_o will_v translate_v presbyter_n to_o signify_v a_o elder_a what_o certainty_n can_v they_o receyve_v from_o that_o word_n whether_o it_o ought_v to_o be_v take_v for_o elder_a in_o age_n or_o great_a in_o dignity_n and_o it_o be_v no_o better_a than_o ridiculous_a that_o protestant_n shall_v first_o deny_v unwritten_a tradition_n and_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n for_o interpret_n scripture_n and_o decide_v controversye_n in_o faith_n and_o then_o take_v great_a pain_n to_o prove_v out_o of_o evident_a scripture_n alone_o that_o bishop_n be_v de_fw-fr jure_fw-la divino_fw-la and_o the_o same_o i_o say_v of_o any_o other_o particular_a form_n of_o ecclesiastical_a government_n and_o of_o the_o quality_n and_o extent_n of_o authority_n in_o any_o such_o form_n whether_o they_o can_v inflict_v ecclesiastical_a censure_n and_o of_o what_o kind_n concern_v which_o and_o other_o such_o point_n necessary_a to_o be_v know_v in_o the_o church_n protestant_n in_o vain_a and_o without_o end_n will_v be_v sight_v for_o a_o impossibility_n till_o they_o acknowledge_v some_o other_o rule_n or_o judge_v of_o controversye_n than_o scripture_n alone_o 12._o beside_o how_o will_v they_o learn_v out_o of_o scripture_n alone_o the_o form_n of_o ordination_n of_o priest_n and_o other_o order_n the_o matter_n and_o form_n of_o other_o sacrament_n which_o some_o in_o the_o church_n be_v to_o administer_v by_o office_n and_o other_o to_o receyve_v of_o which_o i_o shall_v speak_v more_o particular_o hereafter_o with_o diverse_a other_o such_o point_n necessary_a for_o the_o church_n in_o general_n 13._o second_o for_o diverse_a degree_n or_o state_n in_o the_o church_n no_o man_n can_v choose_v but_o see_v how_o hard_o it_o be_v to_o learn_v evident_o out_o of_o scripture_n alone_o what_o in_o particular_a belong_v to_o every_o one_o both_o for_o belief_n and_o practice_n 14._o three_o for_o every_o particular_a person_n how_o can_v a_o protestant_n prove_v evident_o out_o of_o scripture_n the_o nature_n of_o faith_n since_o one_o sect_n of_o they_o deny_v christian_a faith_n to_o be_v infallible_o true_a against_o the_o rest_n of_o their_o fellow_n and_o a_o other_o affirm_v that_o justify_v faith_n be_v that_o whereby_o one_o firm_o believe_v that_o he_o be_v just_a which_o kind_n of_o faith_n other_o deny_v or_o the_o necessary_a extent_n of_o their_o faith_n see_v chill_a hold_v that_o there_o can_v be_v give_v a_o catalogue_n of_o point_n necessary_a to_o be_v believe_v explicit_o by_o all_o and_o therefore_o every_o one_o must_v either_o remain_v uncertain_a whether_o he_o believe_v all_o that_o be_v absolute_o necessary_a or_o else_o be_v oblige_v under_o damnation_n to_o know_v explicit_o all_o clear_a passage_n of_o scripture_n which_o be_v innumerable_a lest_o otherwise_o he_o put_v himself_o in_o danger_n of_o want_v what_o be_v indispensable_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n which_o be_v a_o burden_n no_o less_o unreasonable_a than_o intolerable_a even_o to_o man_n not_o unlearned_a and_o much_o more_o to_o vulgar_a person_n 15._o neither_o be_v there_o less_o dissiculty_n concern_v penance_n or_o true_a repentance_n than_o faith_n since_o protestant_n do_v not_o agree_v in_o what_o repentance_n consist_v and_o chill_a have_v a_o conceit_n different_a from_o the_o rest_n that_o true_a repentance_n require_v the_o effectual_a mortification_n of_o the_o habit_n of_o all_o vice_n which_o be_v a_o work_n of_o difficulty_n and_o time_n can_v be_v perform_v in_o a_o instant_n as_o he_o write_v pag._n 392._o n._n 8._o and_o therefore_o even_o that_o most_o perfect_a kind_n of_o sorrow_n which_o divine_v call_v contrition_n and_o be_v conceyve_v against_o sin_n for_o the_o love_n of_o god_n will_v not_o serve_v at_o the_o hour_n of_o one_o death_n because_o say_v he_o repentance_n be_v a_o work_n of_o difficulty_n and_o tyme._n 16._o morover_n it_o be_v impossible_a for_o protestant_n to_o prove_v evident_o out_o of_o scripture_n that_o the_o sacrament_n of_o baptism_n and_o penance_n be_v not_o necessary_a for_o salvation_n for_o where_o find_v they_o any_o such_o text_n if_o they_o say_v we_o must_v hold_v they_o not_o necessary_a because_o we_o find_v no_o such_o necessity_n evident_o express_v in_o scripture_n they_o do_v but_o beg_v the_o question_n and_o suppose_v that_o all_o thing_n necessary_a be_v contain_v in_o scripture_n beside_o that_o we_o have_v scripture_n for_o both_o nisi_fw-la quis_fw-la renatuâ—_n fuerit_fw-la &c_n &c_n untess_n one_o shall_v be_v bear_v again_o &c_n &c_n joan_n 3.5_o and_o who_o sin_n you_o retain_v they_o be_v retain_v joan._n 20.23_o and_o it_o be_v impossible_a for_o any_o man_n to_o show_v evident_o out_o of_o scripture_n that_o those_o text_n be_v not_o the_o facto_fw-la understand_v as_o we_o understand_v they_o since_o it_o be_v most_o evident_a that_o the_o word_n be_v capable_a of_o such_o a_o sense_n and_o consequent_o we_o can_v be_v certain_a but_o that_o such_o be_v their_o meaning_n unless_o they_o can_v bring_v some_o evident_a text_n to_o the_o contrary_a especial_o since_o that_o even_o divers_a chief_a learned_a protestant_n teach_v the_o necessity_n of_o baptism_n for_o child_n of_o the_o faithful_a as_o i_o show_v hereafter_o and_o certain_o if_o scripture_n be_v evident_a against_o this_o doctrine_n of_o catholic_n so_o many_o learned_a protestant_n can_v not_o but_o have_v see_v it_o 17._o the_o same_o i_o say_v of_o the_o sacrament_n of_o penance_n which_o divers_a learned_a protestant_n hold_v to_o be_v so_o necessary_a as_o some_o say_v that_o it_o be_v a_o wicked_a thing_n to_o take_v away_o private_a absolution_n and_o that_o they_o who_o contemn_v it_o do_v not_o understand_v what_o be_v remission_n of_o sin_n or_o the_o power_n of_o the_o key_n and_o that_o it_o be_v a_o error_n to_o affirm_v that_o confession_n make_v before_o god_n do_v suffice_v and_o that_o private_a confession_n be_v take_v away_o christ_n give_v the_o key_n in_o vain_a vide_fw-la triple_a cord_n chap._n 24._o pag._n 613._o and_o aquavitae_fw-la lutheri_fw-la autore_fw-la gasparo_n vienbergio_fw-la lippiensi_fw-la cap._n 30._o it_o be_v say_v osiander_n primus_fw-la ex_fw-la ministris_fw-la norinbergae_n
among_o themselves_o nor_o with_o we_o catholic_n socinian_o go_v further_o and_o deny_v baptism_n to_o be_v a_o sacrament_n and_o teach_v that_o all_o be_v not_o oblige_v to_o receive_v it_o but_o that_o some_o may_v be_v enroll_v among_o the_o number_n of_o christian_n without_o it_o that_o the_o church_n may_v either_o leave_v it_o of_o or_o at_o least_o can_v compel_v none_o to_o receyve_v it_o and_o in_o a_o word_n that_o it_o be_v a_o thing_n adiaphorous_a or_o indifferent_a 14._o indifferent_a volkel_n lib._n 6._o cap._n 14._o the_o eucharist_n also_o they_o hold_v not_o to_o be_v a_o sacrament_n 22._o sacrament_n volkel_n lib._n 4._o c_o 22._o that_o it_o may_v be_v administer_v by_o lay_v person_n ibidem_fw-la person_n ibidem_fw-la and_o receyve_v by_o such_o as_o be_v not_o baptize_v 14._o baptize_v lib._n 7._o cap._n 14._o other_o protestant_n do_v not_o agree_v about_o the_o necessity_n of_o baptism_n 40._o as_o for_o the_o matter_n and_o form_n of_o those_o two_o 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sacrament_n eucharistiae_fw-la cap._n 12._o and_o for_o the_o matter_n some_o protestant_n as_o beza_n tilenus_n bucanus_n hommius_n teach_v that_o neither_o bread_n nor_o wine_n be_v necessary_a for_o the_o eucharist_n though_o it_o be_v evident_a in_o scripture_n that_o our_o saviour_n consecrate_v in_o bread_n and_o wine_n as_o also_o beza_n lib_fw-la quest_n &_o respon_n vol_n 3._o theol_n pag_n 364._o say_v that_o it_o be_v naevus_fw-la in_o ecclesijs_fw-la etc._n etc._n a_o blemish_n in_o those_o church_n which_o use_v unleavened_a bread_n rather_o than_o leaven_v and_o savour_v of_o judaâ—sme_n and_o yet_o he_o affirm_v that_o christ_n first_o bless_v unleavened_a bread_n and_o institute_v this_o supper_n at_o that_o time_n when_o it_o be_v not_o lawful_a for_o the_o jew_n to_o use_v any_o but_o unleavened_a bread_n and_o sadeel_n ad_fw-la artic_a 56._o abjurat_n pag_n 511._o say_v christ_n indeed_o use_v unleavened_a bread_n do_v christ_n that_o which_o savour_v of_o judaisme_n christ_n do_v institute_v the_o sacrament_n at_o supper_n by_o what_o authority_n then_o do_v they_o alter_v these_o thing_n if_o we_o must_v stand_v to_o scripture_n alone_o without_o the_o church_n tradition_n and_o authority_n what_o evident_a text_n can_v they_o bring_v for_o these_o and_o the_o like_a alteration_n as_o not_o first_o wash_v foot_n &_o c._n and_o volkel_n lib_fw-la 4._o c._n 22._o affirm_v that_o if_o one_o can_v drink_v wine_n he_o may_v use_v water_n without_o change_v the_o substance_n of_o the_o lord_n supper_n as_o he_o speak_v montague_z the_o pretend_a bishop_n first_o of_o chichester_n then_o of_o norwich_n in_o the_o article_n of_o visitation_n ann_n 1631._o tit._n article_n concern_v divine_a service_n and_o administration_n of_o the_o sacrament_n n._n 9_o say_v thus_o be_v the_o wine_n as_o it_o shall_v be_v represent_v blood_n not_o sack_n white_a wine_n water_n or_o some_o other_o liquor_n but_o yet_o for_o the_o further_a satisfaction_n of_o the_o 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vera_fw-la &_o falsa_fw-la religione_fw-la cap_n the_o baptism_n sub_fw-la finem_fw-la fol._n 202._o and_o see_v zuinglius_fw-la more_o plain_o to_o 2._o lib._n de_fw-fr baptis_n folly_n 66_o affirm_v that_o no_o prescript_n form_n of_o word_n be_v necessary_a in_o baptism_n to_o omit_v that_o bullinger_n 974._o bullinger_n in_o his_o decade_n decad._n 5._o ser_n 6._o pag._n 969._o paulo_fw-la post_fw-la med_n and_o 975._o and_o 976._o and_o 974._o do_v discourse_n at_o large_a against_o the_o necessity_n of_o any_o form_n of_o word_n to_o be_v pronounce_v and_o that_o bucer_n in_o matth._n c._n 26_o teach_v recital_n of_o christ_n word_n in_o the_o sacrament_n of_o the_o eucharist_n not_o to_o be_v necessary_a one_o of_o their_o own_o martyr_n john_n lassell_v in_o his_o letter_n apologetical_a record_v for_o the_o suppose_a worth_n thereof_o by_o m._n fox_n in_o his_o act_n and_o monâ—_n pag_n 678.679_o affirm_v ehat_fw-la s._n paul_n dare_v not_o take_v upon_o he_o to_o say_v hoc_fw-la est_fw-la corpus_fw-la meum_fw-la this_o be_v my_o body_n but_o omit_v those_o word_n affirm_v yet_o further_o that_o the_o lord_n jesus_n say_v it_o once_o for_o all_o whereupon_o he_o make_v the_o necessity_n to_o consist_v not_o in_o any_o word_n pronounce_v but_o in_o the_o break_n and_o give_v of_o bread_n whereunto_o may_v be_v add_v the_o agreeable_a doctrine_n of_o muscolus_n medium_n muscolus_n in_o lo_o comm_n c._n de_fw-fr caen_n dom_n pag_n 336._o circa_fw-la med_n &_o post_o medium_n and_o the_o like_a answerable_a practice_n of_o the_o reform_a church_n in_o scotland_n f_z f_z as_o appear_v in_o the_o book_n of_o the_o usage_n of_o the_o church_n of_o scotland_n print_v at_o rochel_n 1596._o pag._n 189.190.191.192.193_o 41._o the_o same_o i_o may_v say_v of_o the_o form_n matter_n and_o manner_n to_o be_v use_v in_o the_o ordination_n of_o bishop_n priest_n and_o other_o degree_n in_o the_o church_n all_o which_o point_v be_v of_o great_a importance_n in_o god_n 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vii_o protestant_n be_v gvilty_a of_o the_o sin_n of_o schism_n 1._o the_o title_n of_o this_o chapter_n have_v be_v make_v good_a at_o large_a by_o charity_n maintain_v part_n 1._o chap_n 5._o against_o all_o that_o dr._n potter_n can_v invent_v in_o defense_n of_o protestant_n if_o now_o i_o can_v confute_v whatsoever_o you_o allege_v in_o defence_n of_o the_o doctor_n the_o argument_n and_o reason_n of_o charity_n maintain_v must_v in_o all_o right_a be_v adjudge_v to_o keep_v their_o first_o possession_n and_o this_o truth_n remain_v constant_a that_o protestant_n and_o all_o other_o who_o separate_v themselves_o from_o the_o roman_a church_n must_v needs_o be_v find_v guilty_a of_o the_o grievous_a sin_n of_o formal_a schism_n 2._o in_o the_o beginning_n charity_n maintain_v part_n 1._o chap_v 5._o n._n 4._o lay_v this_o ground_n that_o the_o catholic_a church_n signifyes_n one_o congregation_n of_o faithful_a people_n and_o therefore_o imply_v not_o only_a faith_n to_o make_v they_o faithful_a believer_n but_o also_o communion_n or_o common_a union_n to_o make_v they_o one_o in_o charity_n which_o exclude_v separation_n and_o division_n or_o schism_n this_o be_v a_o very_a evident_a and_o certain_a truth_n and_o therefore_o tertulian_n de_o praescrip_n cap._n 41._o observe_v it_o as_o a_o property_n of_o heretic_n that_o they_o communicate_v with_o all_o pacem_fw-la quoque_fw-la passim_fw-la cum_fw-la omnibus_fw-la miscent_fw-la nihil_fw-la enim_fw-la interest_n illis_fw-la licèt_fw-la diversa_fw-la tractantibus_fw-la dum_fw-la ad_fw-la unius_fw-la veritatis_fw-la expugnationem_fw-la conspirent_fw-la thus_o we_o see_v protestant_n will_v needs_o call_v all_o brethren_n who_o be_v not_o papist_n yea_o many_o will_v not_o have_v papist_n make_v a_o church_n distinct_a from_o they_o s._n austin_n be_v of_o a_o other_o mind_n from_o protestant_n who_o de_fw-fr uera_fw-la relig_n cap._n 5._o condemn_v philosopher_n because_o teach_v different_a thing_n of_o god_n yet_o they_o frequent_v the_o same_o sacrifice_n and_o add_v so_o it_o be_v believe_v and_o teach_v that_o it_o be_v the_o principal_a point_n of_o man_n salvation_n that_o there_o be_v not_o a_o other_o philosophy_n that_o be_v study_v of_o wisdom_n and_o a_o other_o religion_n when_o they_o who_o doctrine_n we_o approve_v not_o communicate_v not_o in_o sacrament_n with_o us._n which_o truth_n s._n austin_n judge_n to_o be_v of_o so_o great_a valve_n and_o necessity_n and_o the_o contrary_a so_o pernicious_a as_o he_o avouch_v si_fw-mi hoc_fw-la unum_fw-la tantum_fw-la vitium_fw-la christianâ_fw-la disciplinâ_fw-la sanatum_fw-la videremus_fw-la ineffabili_fw-la laud_fw-la praedicandam_fw-la esse_fw-la neminem_fw-la negare_fw-la oporteret_fw-la and_o lib_n 19_o cont_n faust_n cap._n 11_o he_o say_v man_n can_v be_v join_v into_o any_o name_n of_o religion_n true_a or_o false_a unless_o they_o be_v link_v with_o some_o sign_n or_o fellowship_n of_o visible_a sacrament_n therefore_o communion_n in_o sacrament_n be_v essential_o necessary_a to_o unite_v the_o member_n of_o one_o church_n and_o distinguish_v it_o from_o all_o other_o in_o this_o manner_n act_n 2._o 42._o it_o be_v say_v of_o those_o first_o christian_n they_o be_v presever_v in_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o apostle_n and_o communication_n of_o break_v bread_n and_o prayer_n behold_v a_o communication_n not_o only_o in_o faith_n or_o doctrine_n but_o also_o in_o sacrament_n and_o prayer_n neither_o do_v protestant_n deny_v this_o truth_n molin_n lib_n 1._o cont_n perron_n cap._n 2._o say_v the_o ancient_a doctor_n be_v wont_a to_o understand_v by_o the_o church_n which_o oftentimes_o they_o call_v catholic_a the_o whole_a society_n of_o christian_a church_n orthodox_n and_o sound_v in_o faith_n unite_v together_o in_o communion_n and_o they_o oppose_v this_o church_n to_o the_o societye_n of_o schismatic_n and_o heretic_n which_o we_o will_v not_o reject_v by_o which_o word_n it_o appear_v that_o the_o holy_a father_n and_o even_o protestant_n make_v unity_n in_o communion_n against_o schism_n no_o less_o essential_a to_o the_o church_n then_o in_o faith_n against_o heresy_n field_n lib_n 1._o cap._n 15._o the_o communion_n of_o the_o church_n consist_v in_o prayer_n and_o dispensation_n of_o sacrament_n and_o lib_n 2._o cap._n 2._o communion_n in_o sacrament_n be_v essential_a to_o the_o church_n 3._o the_o reason_n of_o this_o truth_n be_v very_o clear_a for_o without_o communion_n in_o sacrament_n liturgy_n and_o public_a worship_n of_o god_n the_o true_a church_n can_v be_v distinguish_v essential_o from_o any_o schismatical_a congregation_n because_o see_v schismatik_n as_o they_o be_v distinguish_v from_o heretic_n can_v be_v distinguish_v by_o a_o different_a faith_n wherein_o they_o be_v suppose_v to_o agree_v with_o catholics_n they_o can_v be_v distinguish_v only_o by_o external_a communion_n which_o therefore_o must_v be_v essential_a to_o the_o church_n as_o be_v the_o thing_n which_o alone_o formal_o and_o essential_o exclude_v schism_n s._n austin_n speak_v excellent_o to_o this_o purpose_n epist_n 48._o you_o be_v with_o we_o in_o baptism_n in_o the_o creed_n in_o the_o rest_n of_o god_n sacrament_n in_o the_o spirit_n of_o unity_n in_o bond_n of_o peace_n final_o in_o the_o very_a catholic_a church_n you_o be_v not_o with_o us._n which_o word_n declare_v that_o the_o spirit_n of_o unity_n and_o bond_n of_o peace_n be_v necessary_a and_o essential_a to_o constitute_v man_n member_n of_o one_o church_n all_o agree_v that_o to_o be_v one_o church_n there_o must_v be_v unity_n in_o faith_n and_o see_v faith_n be_v ordain_v to_o the_o salvation_n of_o soul_n 1._o pet_n 1.9_o by_o the_o true_a worship_n of_o god_n unity_n in_o this_o worship_n be_v no_o less_o necessary_a than_o unity_n in_o faith_n the_o militant_a true_a church_n of_o christ_n be_v a_o visible_a congregation_n and_o therefore_o do_v essential_o require_v visible_a sign_n to_o distinguish_v it_o from_o all_o other_o company_n by_o sacrament_n external_a worship_n of_o god_n and_o a_o public_a liturgy_n which_o if_o
because_o we_o can_v in_o this_o life_n hope_v to_o triumph_v over_o all_o sin_n as_o potter_n speak_v so_o neither_o can_v her_o communion_n be_v forsake_v for_o error_n not_o fundamental_a see_v the_o doctor_n say_v also_o that_o the_o church_n may_v not_o hope_v to_o triumph_v over_o all_o error_n 8._o another_o argument_n charity_n maintain_v n._n 25._o take_v from_o these_o word_n of_o potter_n pag_n 75._o there_o neither_o be_v nor_o can_v be_v any_o just_a cause_n to_o depart_v from_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n no_o more_o than_o from_o christ_n himself_o but_o to_o depart_v from_o a_o particular_a church_n and_o namely_o from_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n in_o some_o doctrine_n and_o practice_n there_o may_v be_v just_a and_o necessary_a cause_n though_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n want_v nothing_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n mark_v what_o he_o say_v there_o can_v be_v no_o cause_n to_o depart_v from_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n and_o yet_o he_o teach_v that_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n the_o universal_a church_n may_v err_v in_o point_n not_o fundamental_a therefore_o error_n in_o point_n not_o fundamental_a can_v be_v judge_v a_o sufficient_a and_o just_a cause_n to_o depart_v from_o the_o universal_a church_n and_o for_o the_o same_o reason_n if_o the_o error_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n be_v suppose_v to_o be_v not_o fundamental_a there_o can_v be_v no_o just_a cause_n to_o depart_v from_o she_o but_o here_o he_o express_o speak_v upon_o supposition_n that_o the_o roman_a church_n want_v nothing_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n and_o consequent_o that_o she_o do_v not_o err_v in_o fundamental_a point_n therefore_o there_o can_v be_v no_o cause_n to_o forsake_v she_o and_o that_o potter_n affirm_v absolute_o in_o other_o passage_n of_o his_o book_n that_o the_o roman_a church_n do_v not_o err_v in_o fundamental_a article_n shall_v be_v demonstrate_v hereafter_o and_o consequent_o that_o he_o contradict_v himself_o in_o say_v the_o universal_a church_n 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word_n we_o be_v not_o to_o learn_v the_o difference_n between_o schism_n and_o heresy_n for_o if_o you_o can_v possible_o tell_v what_o heresy_n be_v you_o will_v for_o ever_o be_v to_o learn_v the_o difference_n between_o schism_n and_o heresy_n to_o say_v nothing_o for_o the_o present_a that_o potter_n pag_n 212._o acknowledge_v that_o whatsoever_o be_v reveal_v in_o scripture_n or_o propound_v by_o the_o church_n out_o of_o scripture_n be_v in_o some_o sense_n fundamental_a that_o be_v such_o as_o may_v not_o be_v deny_v or_o contradict_v without_o infidelity_n therefore_o it_o be_v heresy_n at_o least_o to_o deny_v point_n sufficient_o propose_v as_o reveal_v by_o god_n though_o they_o be_v not_o fundamental_a in_o themselves_o and_o pag_n 250._o he_o declare_v express_o every_o error_n against_o any_o point_n reveal_v to_o be_v heresy_n in_o these_o word_n where_o the_o reveal_v will_n or_o word_n of_o god_n be_v sufficient_o propound_v there_o he_o that_o oppose_v be_v a_o 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faith_n and_o potter_n pag_n 97._o say_v the_o catholic_a church_n be_v careful_a to_o ground_v all_o her_o declaration_n in_o matter_n of_o faith_n upon_o the_o divine_a authority_n of_o god_n write_v word_n and_o therefore_o whosoever_o wilful_o oppose_v a_o judgement_n so_o well_o ground_v be_v just_o esteem_v a_o heretikâ—_n not_o proper_o because_o he_o disobeye_n the_o church_n but_o because_o he_o yield_v not_o to_o scripture_n sufficient_o propound_v or_o clear_v unto_o he_o and_o pag_n 250._o where_o the_o reveal_v will_n or_o word_n of_o god_n be_v sufficient_o propound_v there_o he_o that_o oppose_v be_v convince_v of_o error_n and_o he_o who_o be_v thus_o convince_v be_v a_o heretic_n and_o pag_n 247._o if_o a_o man_n by_o read_v the_o scripture_n or_o hear_v they_o read_v be_v convince_v of_o the_o truth_n of_o any_o such_o conclusion_n this_o be_v a_o sufficient_a proposition_n to_o prove_v he_o that_o gainsaieth_a any_o such_o truth_n to_o be_v a_o heretic_n and_o 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be_v schismatik_n for_o leave_v she_o upon_o pretence_n of_o error_n or_o that_o it_o be_v no_o impudent_a slander_n to_o say_v that_o protestant_n say_v the_o church_n may_v fall_v into_o heresy_n as_o fulke_n affirm_v it_o to_o be_v see_v she_o may_v fall_v into_o error_n against_o faith_n and_o all_o such_o error_n be_v heresye_n beside_o see_v we_o have_v hear_v potter_n confess_v pag_n 97._o that_o the_o catholic_a church_n be_v careful_a to_o ground_v all_o her_o declaration_n in_o matter_n of_o faith_n upon_o the_o divine_a authority_n of_o god_n write_v word_n how_o can_v they_o avoid_v the_o note_n of_o heresy_n by_o oppose_v her_o declaration_n or_o of_o schism_n by_o leave_v her_o communion_n by_o all_o which_o it_o be_v manifest_a that_o heretic_n have_v no_o constancy_n in_o their_o doctrine_n but_o be_v force_v to_o affirm_v and_o deny_v and_o by_o perpetual_a contradiction_n overthrow_v their_o own_o ground_n and_o assertion_n howsoever_o for_o our_o present_a purpose_n 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the_o church_n have_v no_o charity_n and_o therefore_o that_o it_o be_v manifest_o untrue_a that_o if_o charity_n be_v want_v the_o unity_n of_o the_o church_n be_v disturb_v her_o union_n dissolve_v see_v man_n may_v be_v member_n of_o the_o church_n though_o they_o want_v all_o charity_n and_o consequent_o if_o charity_n be_v want_v it_o be_v not_o necessary_a that_o the_o union_n of_o the_o church_n must_v be_v dissolve_v or_o if_o you_o grant_v to_o potter_n that_o charity_n be_v the_o cause_n that_o the_o unity_n of_o the_o church_n be_v not_o disturb_v and_o her_o union_n not_o dissolve_v what_o be_v this_o but_o to_o say_v with_o charity_n maintain_v that_o all_o the_o member_n of_o the_o visible_a church_n be_v by_o charity_n unite_v in_o one_o mystical_a body_n why_o be_v her_o union_n dissolve_v if_o charity_n be_v want_v but_o because_o by_o charity_n it_o be_v conserve_v you_o say_v pag_n 273._o n._n 56._o that_o if_o we_o suppose_v a_o visible_a church_n extant_a before_o 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good_a man_n a_o good_a citizen_n a_o good_a magistrate_n be_v consideration_n very_o different_a and_o separable_a one_o from_o another_o and_o therefore_o charity_n maintain_v chap_n 5._o n._n 3._o tell_v you_o that_o our_o neighbour_n may_v be_v consider_v either_o as_o one_o private_a person_n have_v a_o single_a relation_n to_o a_o other_o or_o as_o all_o concur_v to_o make_v one_o company_n or_o congregation_n which_o we_o call_v the_o church_n and_o who_o see_v not_o that_o a_o man_n who_o be_v in_o state_n of_o deadly_a sin_n and_o therefore_o love_v not_o god_n above_o all_o thing_n may_v love_v his_o neighbour_n in_o such_o a_o degree_n as_o not_o to_o wish_v or_o procure_v his_o death_n as_o also_o one_o may_v want_v charity_n to_o a_o other_o as_o a_o private_a person_n without_o separate_v from_o he_o as_o a_o member_n of_o one_o church_n in_o which_o they_o agree_v and_o communicate_v 99_o object_n 6._o pag_n 255._o n._n 5._o you_o cite_v the_o word_n of_o charity_n maintain_v as_o if_o he_o say_v all_o those_o which_o a_o christian_a ought_v to_o esteem_v neighbour_n do_v coucurre_v to_o make_v one_o company_n which_o be_v the_o church_n and_o then_o you_o add_v these_o word_n which_o be_v false_a for_o a_o christian_n be_v to_o esteem_v those_o his_o neighbour_n who_o be_v not_o member_n of_o the_o true_a church_n 100_o answer_n it_o be_v strange_a if_o you_o do_v not_o know_v that_o in_o this_o particular_a we_o have_v no_o common_a or_o universal_a tenet_n neither_o can_v there_o be_v any_o difficulty_n in_o the_o thing_n itself_o but_o the_o question_n must_v have_v much_o only_a de_fw-fr nomine_fw-la and_o bellarm_n teach_v faith_n to_o be_v necessary_a that_o one_o may_v be_v say_v to_o be_v unite_v by_o internal_a union_n to_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n which_o be_v the_o church_n and_o though_o he_o hold_v that_o secret_a infidel_n belong_v to_o the_o church_n yet_o he_o express_o declate_v that_o some_o other_o catholic_a writer_n be_v of_o a_o contrary_a opinion_n and_o lib_n 3._o de_fw-la eccles_n cap._n 10._o he_o say_v we_o follow_v the_o manner_n of_o speak_v of_o the_o great_a number_n declare_v thereby_o this_o question_n to_o be_v only_a de_fw-fr modo_fw-la loquendi_fw-la of_o the_o manner_n of_o speak_v so_o far_o be_v he_o from_o judge_v the_o contrary_a to_o be_v repugnant_a to_o our_o ground_n as_o you_o intolerable_o overlash_n but_o suppose_v it_o be_v as_o you_o say_v where_o i_o pray_v you_o do_v charity_n maintain_v say_v that_o the_o catholic_a church_n signifyes_n one_o company_n of_o faithful_a people_n faithful_a i_o say_v by_o internal_a faith_n and_o not_o only_o by_o the_o external_a profession_n of_o it_o he_o say_v no_o such_o thing_n as_o appear_v by_o his_o word_n cite_v in_o the_o begin_n of_o your_o objection_n and_o therefore_o see_v he_o do_v not_o express_v whether_o they_o must_v be_v faithful_a by_o true_a internal_a faith_n or_o only_o by_o external_a profession_n of_o the_o true_a faith_n but_o his_o word_n be_v general_a they_o be_v certain_o true_a in_o all_o opinion_n to_o wit_n that_o faith_n be_v require_v to_o make_v one_o a_o member_n of_o the_o church_n not_o determine_v whether_o that_o faith_n must_v be_v internal_a or_o whether_o a_o outward_a profession_n be_v sufficient_a to_o that_o effect_n sure_o i_o be_o this_o be_v no_o faithful_a deal_n in_o you_o 101._o object_n 7._o in_o this_o same_o pag_n 255._o n._n 5._o you_o allege_v charity_n maintain_v as_o if_o he_o say_v all_o those_o which_o a_o christian_a ought_v to_o esteem_v neighbour_n do_v concur_v to_o make_v one_o company_n which_o be_v the_o church_n and_o then_o you_o add_v these_o word_n which_o be_v false_a for_o a_o christian_n be_v to_o esteem_v those_o his_o neighbour_n who_o be_v not_o member_n of_o the_o true_a church_n 102._o answer_n charity_n maintain_v never_o say_v that_o all_o those_o which_o a_o christian_a be_v to_o esteem_v neighbour_n do_v make_v one_o company_n which_o 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occasion_n of_o schism_n inter_fw-la duodecim_fw-la say_v he_o unus_fw-la eligitur_fw-la ut_fw-la capite_fw-la constituto_fw-la schismatis_fw-la tolleretur_fw-la occasio_fw-la 105._o object_n 9_o charity_n maintain_v part_n 1._o cap._n 5._o n._n 3._o say_v every_o heretic_n be_v a_o schismatic_n which_o you_o say_v n._n 8._o he_o must_v acknowledge_v false_a in_o those_o who_o though_o they_o deny_v or_o doubt_v of_o some_o point_n profess_v by_o your_o church_n and_o so_o be_v heretic_n you_o continue_v still_o in_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o church_n 106._o answer_n it_o be_v a_o shrewd_a sign_n you_o want_v better_a matter_n who_o object_n such_o trifle_n first_o though_o we_o shall_v suppose_v charity_n maintain_v to_o have_v say_v every_o heretic_n be_v a_o schismatic_a and_o that_o mr._n chillingworth_n say_v the_o same_o as_o indeed_o he_o do_v pag_n 339._o n._n 20._o in_o these_o word_n heretic_n i_o confess_v do_v always_o separate_v from_o the_o visible_a church_n either_o 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austin_n shall_v think_v it_o absurd_a for_o any_o man_n to_o say_v there_o be_v sheep_n which_o he_o know_v not_o but_o god_n know_v and_o no_o less_o at_o you_o for_o obtrude_a this_o sentence_n upon_o we_o as_o pertinent_a proof_n of_o the_o church_n visibility_n and_o pag_n 119._o n._n 163._o you_o say_v to_o s._n austin_n in_o heat_n of_o disputation_n against_o the_o donatist_n and_o ransack_v all_o place_n for_o argument_n against_o they_o we_o oppose_v s._n austin_n out_o of_o this_o heat_n deliver_v the_o doctrine_n of_o christianity_n calm_o and_o moderate_o and_o pag_n 168._o n._n 64._o s._n austin_n when_o he_o be_v out_o of_o the_o heat_n of_o disputation_n confess_v etc._n etc._n if_o any_o ask_v why_o socinian_n be_v so_o averse_a from_o s._n austin_n i_o answer_v because_o in_o his_o work_n he_o do_v so_o often_o so_o zealous_o and_o so_o learned_o defend_v the_o uisibility_n perpetuity_n amplitude_n infallibility_n and_o authority_n of_o god_n church_n and_o with_o 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be_v fundamental_a nor_o destructive_a of_o faith_n
church_n be_v not_o only_o secure_v but_o certain_a and_o easy_a and_o therefore_o necessary_a thus_o your_o main_n objection_n be_v turn_v against_o yourself_o and_o then_o it_o be_v further_o infer_v that_o if_o it_o either_o be_v no_o sin_n or_o at_o least_o a_o less_o offence_n to_o profess_v error_n than_o to_o forsake_v the_o church_n she_o may_v just_o exact_v and_o enjoin_v under_o censure_n that_o to_o which_o every_o one_o be_v oblige_v by_o the_o law_n of_o god_n notwithstanding_o any_o pretence_n or_o supposition_n of_o error_n for_o when_o the_o holy_a father_n unanimous_o agree_v that_o it_o be_v not_o possible_a there_o can_v be_v any_o just_a cause_n to_o forsake_v the_o church_n they_o must_v suppose_v that_o either_o she_o can_v fall_v into_o any_o error_n which_o be_v most_o true_a and_o indeed_o they_o suppose_v it_o otherwise_o there_o can_v be_v no_o difference_n between_o the_o universal_a and_o a_o particular_a church_n which_o may_v fall_v into_o error_n and_o so_o be_v forsake_v or_o else_o you_o must_v grant_v that_o they_o do_v not_o conceive_v any_o eriours_n can_v excuse_v the_o leave_v her_o communion_n and_o this_o unaninâ—ous_a consent_n alone_o be_v sufficient_a for_o christian_n to_o believe_v that_o the_o profession_n of_o error_n can_v be_v so_o great_a a_o evil_a as_o separation_n from_o the_o church_n be_v nevertheless_o reason_n itself_o ground_v in_o principle_n of_o faith_n convince_v the_o same_o for_o in_o true_a divinity_n it_o be_v fundamental_a to_o the_o faith_n of_o a_o christian_a not_o to_o disbelieve_v any_o one_o point_n sufficient_o propose_v as_o reveal_v by_o god_n as_o potter_n express_o grant_v and_o you_o say_v further_o that_o it_o be_v to_o give_v god_n the_o lie_n and_o therefore_o to_o profess_v as_o a_o point_n of_o faith_n any_o thing_n contrary_a to_o the_o belief_n of_o the_o church_n be_v to_o say_v she_o err_v fundamental_o and_o fall_v into_o infidelity_n as_o potter_n say_v every_o one_o do_v 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malorum_fw-la and_o therefore_o s._n thomas_n teach_v 2.2_o quest_n 29._o art_n 2._o ad_fw-la 3._o that_o among_o sin_n against_o our_o neighbour_n schism_n be_v the_o most_o grievous_a because_o it_o be_v against_o the_o spiritual_a good_a of_o the_o multitude_n or_o community_n and_o as_o cha_fw-mi ma_fw-fr say_v part_n 1._o pag_n 156._o n._n 6._o as_o there_o be_v as_o great_a difference_n between_o the_o crime_n of_o rebellion_n or_o sedition_n and_o debate_n among_o private_a man_n as_o there_o be_v inequality_n betwixt_o one_o man_n and_o a_o whole_a kingdom_n or_o common_a wealth_n so_o in_o the_o church_n schism_n be_v as_o much_o more_o grievous_a than_o sedition_n in_o a_o kingdom_n or_o common_a wealth_n as_o the_o spiritual_a good_a of_o soul_n surpass_v the_o civil_a and_o political_a weal_n see_v here_o the_o say_n of_o the_o holy_a father_n in_o charity_n maintain_v part_n 1._o pag_n 157._o n._n 70._o of_o the_o grievousness_n of_o schism_n all_o which_o be_v confirm_v by_o what_o we_o say_v even_o now_o that_o the_o profession_n of_o a_o error_n in_o our_o case_n can_v so_o much_o as_o hurt_v a_o private_a person_n who_o constitute_v in_o a_o invincible_a perplexity_n do_v not_o sin_n by_o embrace_v the_o less_o evil_a in_o the_o opinion_n of_o great_a divine_n with_o who_o doctrine_n whosoever_o conform_v his_o conscience_n be_v certain_a not_o to_o sin_v whatsoever_o the_o thing_n be_v in_o itself_o 134._o morover_n it_o be_v evident_a both_o in_o reason_n and_o by_o experience_n that_o schism_n always_o bring_v with_o it_o that_o very_a thing_n which_o you_o pretend_v to_o be_v so_o very_o inconvenient_a and_o damnable_a that_o be_v a_o profession_n of_o error_n at_o least_o not_o fundamental_a by_o multiply_a diversity_n of_o sect_n and_o opinion_n as_o we_o see_v it_o happen_v among_o protestant_n some_o of_o whoâ—_n must_v be_v in_o a_o error_n and_o s._n hierome_n say_v true_o upon_o those_o word_n of_o the_o apostle_n which_o some_o cast_n of_o have_v suffer_v ship_n wrack_n in_o their_o faith_n though_o schism_n in_o the_o beginning_n may_v in_o some_o sort_n be_v understand_v different_a from_o heresy_n yet_o there_o be_v no_o schism_n which_o do_v not_o fain_o some_o heresy_n to_o itself_o that_o so_o it_o may_v seem_v to_o have_v depart_v from_o the_o church_n upon_o good_a reason_n and_o be_v it_o not_o worse_o both_o to_o believe_v and_o profess_v culpable_a error_n than_o to_o believe_v aright_o and_o fail_v only_o in_o the_o outward_a profession_n of_o that_o belief_n the_o former_a make_v one_o a_o formal_a complete_a heretic_n both_o in_o conscience_n and_o judgement_n of_o the_o church_n the_o latter_a be_v indeed_o no_o heretic_n but_o only_o appear_v so_o to_o be_v neither_o be_v he_o subject_a to_o the_o punishment_n of_o heretic_n the_o former_a offend_v in_o two_o respect_n in_o the_o belief_n of_o a_o error_n and_o profession_n of_o it_o the_o latter_a only_o in_o profession_n which_o alone_o as_o i_o say_v can_v be_v so_o sinful_a as_o the_o error_n of_o heresy_n itself_o both_o because_o the_o profession_n be_v sinful_a only_o by_o reason_n of_o the_o error_n profess_v as_o also_o because_o by_o heresy_n one_o doubt_n or_o deny_v some_o truth_n reveal_v by_o god_n which_o be_v immediate_o against_o god_n supreme_a uerity_n and_o veracity_n and_o so_o be_v against_o a_o object_n of_o a_o theological_a virtue_n as_o s._n thomas_n say_v 2.2_o quest_n 39_o a_o â—_o c._n infidelitas_fw-la est_fw-la peccatum_fw-la contra_fw-la ipsum_fw-la deum_fw-la secundum_fw-la quod_fw-la in_o se_fw-la est_fw-la veritas_fw-la prima_fw-la cvi_fw-la fides_fw-la innititur_fw-la but_o to_o profess_v a_o know_a error_n be_v only_o against_o the_o precept_n of_o profess_v one_o faith_n which_o be_v distinct_a thing_n and_o therefore_o as_o i_o say_v a_o culpable_a error_n be_v worse_a than_o the_o only_a profession_n of_o a_o error_n if_o you_o think_v that_o such_o a_o external_a profession_n be_v worse_a than_o a_o internal_a error_n because_o that_o be_v against_o one_o conscience_n you_o be_v much_o mistake_v it_o be_v certain_a that_o not_o every_o sin_n of_o dissimulation_n against_o one_o conscience_n be_v great_a than_o any_o other_o sin_n as_o be_v clear_a of_o itself_o to_o every_o divine_a or_o philosopher_n yea_o the_o external_a sinful_a profession_n of_o a_o error_n flow_v from_o the_o heresy_n itself_o which_o ordinary_o be_v a_o worse_a root_n than_o humane_a fear_n hope_v or_o the_o like_a from_o which_o a_o external_a false_a profession_n or_o dissimulation_n be_v wont_a to_o proceed_v and_o therefore_o this_o be_v less_o damnable_a than_o that_o even_o though_o it_o be_v a_o fin_n and_o be_v not_o excuse_v by_o the_o suppose_a invincible_a perplexity_n as_o we_o have_v show_v it_o may_v be_v s._n thomas_n 2.2_o quest_n 39_o art_n 2._o in_o corpore_fw-la teach_v that_o infidelity_n ex_fw-la svo_fw-la genere_fw-la be_v a_o great_a
sin_n than_o schism_n yet_o add_v this_o exception_n it_o may_v happen_v that_o some_o schismatic_n may_v commit_v a_o great_a sin_n than_o some_o infidel_n either_o by_o reason_n of_o great_a contempt_n or_o the_o great_a danger_n which_o he_o bring_v or_o for_o some_o like_a thing_n if_o this_o angelical_a doctor_n s._n thomas_n say_v this_o compare_v schism_n with_o true_a infidelity_n much_o more_o may_v we_o affirm_v it_o if_o we_o consider_v true_a schism_n on_o the_o one_o side_n and_o on_o the_o other_o only_o a_o false_a appearance_n or_o mere_a external_a profession_n of_o error_n or_o heresy_n as_o for_o those_o limitation_n of_o s._n thomas_n they_o may_v seem_v to_o be_v prophecy_n if_o we_o apply_v they_o to_o luther_n and_o his_o fellow_n in_o regard_n of_o the_o contempt_n which_o they_o show_v of_o all_o prelate_n and_o the_o whole_a church_n of_o the_o not_o only_a danger_n but_o real_a and_o unspeakable_a mischief_n which_o their_o schism_n do_v bring_v and_o of_o 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