you give the Holy Ghost the lie imputing error vnto the word of truth But you wil say if men be not subjects of Christs Kingdome ther is no salvation for them I deny that wil you condemne al the Iewes Turkes Papists in the world yet I say they are no subjects of Christs Kingdome which is the true visible Church I pray you therfor be as good to vs as you are to your selâ—e in that censure wherfor we must remember to distinguish betwixt the visible Church which is Christs Kingdome the Catholique Church whiâ—â— is invisible The visible Church hath in it a visible communion visible sensible ordinances for men to walk in a visible fayth expressed in the outward declarations thereof in confession profession of the truth this visible Church must we joyne to live in this is the sheepfold wherin Christ foldeth his sheep into this sheepfold both sheep shepheard must enter by the dore not clyme vp another way as theeves robbers doe Of al those that live continue in this true visible Church we are bound to beleeve holmes fayth election in particular Eph 1.1.4 Now the Catholique Church which is invisible is the comprehension of al the elct in al ages places whose persons are vnknowne to vs such secreat things the L. hath reserved to himself concealed from our knowledg therfor we are not to search after them but must walk in that way which he hath taught in his word wher so much of his wil as is fit for vs to know is revealed now I would have you manifest to me two things concerning this point one is that the Catholique Church is Christs Kingdome another is that al that are on t of the visible Church are condemned I for my part hold the contrary viz First that the visible Church truly constituted is the only Kingdome of Christ which he at the day of judgment shal give vp into the handes of his Father 1. Cor. 15.24 that therfor they who are not members of Christs true visible Church are no subjects of Christs Kingdome Secondly notwithstanding that ther are many who are no members of the visible Church therfor no subjects of Christs Kingdome who notwithstanding aperteyne to the L Election are within the compasse of the Catholique Church out of which ther is no salvation Now Mr. Bern. if you have any thing to object against this truth let vs have it I pray you that we may receave instruction reformation from you you assume great dexteritie in diving into mens arguments I pray you dive into the bottome of this point discover the error therof if you be able if not lay your hand vppon your mouth give glorie to God confesse your ignorance errors Paralleles Censures Observations aperteyning to the Fourth Section In this Section Mr Bern. saith that it is error to hold that those that are not of a true constituted Church are no subjects of Christs Kingdome In his book intituled the Seperatists Schisme pag. 80. 81. He affirmeth the same thing in these words viz That such as are not of a particular constituted Church to wit such a one as theirs is are no subjects of Christs Kingdome Mr. Ainsworth answering Mr. Bernard pag. 173. vseth these wordes Neither is this position set downe in our wordes to my knowledg if therefor Mr. Bern. were not a caviller he would not have reckoned this among our errors Although Mr. Bern. oppugneth this truth Mr. Ainfw forsaketh the defence therof yet I stil defend it as the vndoubted truth of God First therfor I wil expound the true meaning thereof then also answer Mr. Bern. cavils cautions I say not therfor as Mr. Bern. ignorantly vaynly captiously conceâ—veth that whosoever is not actually a joyned member of a true visible Church not living in communion with that church is no subject of Christs Kingdome but I say thus they that are not of a true constituted Church are no subjects of Christs Kingdom now it is one thing to be in a true church as a member therof actual walking in presence coÌ„munioÌ„ therewith another thing to be of a true church which one may be eyther as yet actually vnjoyned or being a joyned member actually yet absent in regard of bodily presence that one vnioyned actually may yet be of a true visible church I declare by divers particulars as first one that by violence is deteyned from a true constituted church yet may be of it in desire wil affection purpose though actually vnioyned the Lord accepting the wil for the deed when it cannot be performed Againe when as yet ther is no true visible church established actually a man may be of it in that he would be joyned vnto it if it â—ad any real existence So the Martyrs in Q. Maryes dayes may be said to be of a true visible church both for that they would have actualy joyned to the true coÌ„stituted church if it had beeÌ„ established as also for that they in wil purpose desired so to do although violently they were deteyned by imprissonment Further they that are of the true saith which is professed in the true Church may be said to be of that true church which faith is not a thing invisible but visible sensible as namely a man Seperated from all false churches professing the true visible faith of the church holding it vnlawful in regard of some corruption which he seeth in the true church to joyne therevnto may yet be said to be of the true church Lastly if some brethren though but two or three walk together in holy communion they are a true Church although perhaps they have not solemnely entred covenant yet ther communion in holy exercises is a declaration that they have contracted together though weakely corruptly yet truly So that these particulars being wel weighed may sulficiently informe you of my meaning but Mr. Bern you have in your book quoted this point otherwise then I have propounded expounded it in my lettre that in two particulars viz 1. in saying a particular constituted Church 2. in adding these wordes Such a one as theirs is For ther is asmuch difference betwixt a true constituted Church a particular constituted Church as ther is betwixt a man this man or that man the one is species theother individinum it is evident that a man may be of a true constituted Church yet not of a particular constistuted Church as may be perceaved by the 4. particulars before mentioned Againe in adding these wordes viz such a one as theirs is after a scoffing vprayding disdainful manner he seeketh to draw into hatred abhomination the true Church of Christ but the tyme wil come when the Lord wil reward every man according to his workes In the second place let vs consider of Mr. Bern. cavils cautions which are 4. in nom
covenant to walk in all Gods wayes standing in confusion with every abhominable liver subject to al the Antichristian orders officers set over them deprived of the powre of Christ for ther mutuall help edification ther is no true Church But the parish assemblie of worksap is such go it is no true Church The Major is manifest by these Scriptures compared together Math. 15.9 Apocal. 14 9-11 Ephes 1.1.4 2. Corinth 6 14-18 Math. 28.20 5.19 Apocal. 18.4 Math. 5.24 The Minor you dare not deny I assure my self For you have at least five or six hundreth communicants you account not past 30. or 40. of them faithful al of you submit to Antichrist his lawes courts dayly especially your self who cap knee runne ride after Antichrists officers courts feeing him with your money yea you plead for them write your peny pamphlets for them and yet once yon wrote against them and lost your vicaridg in your testimonie against them but bicause you could not buy and sell except you receaved the mark of the beast now you are content to yeeld to all yea to plead for all that you may tâ—affique with your marchandize Secondly for your self I hold you to be no true minister of Christ For your Church being false how can your ministerie be true For if the Fountaine be bitter the streame caÌ„ not be sweet your Church is false your ministerie which ariseth out of your Church as astreame from a Fountaine is false also Thirdly your worship which commeth from a false Church a false ministerie cannot be true but is false in that double respect but particularly I except these things against your worship 1. That it is qualified with your false ministerie 2. That it is offered vp in a false Church 3. That it is offered vp to God in the behalf of al your people which are many of theÌ„ I presume lewd persons al of them subjects of Antichrists Kingdome this I except against your conceaved prayers Against your service book I except thus besides the former 1. It is devised invented by the man of sinne 2. That it is imposed vppon you your people of necessity 3. That it is stinted limited the Spirit therby quenched 4. That it is read vppon a book 5. That it is corrupt in all the particular errors objected by the Puritans All these 8 particulars are contrary to these Scriptures compared together Roman 8.26 Math. 15.9 Apocal. 5.8 8.3 1. Thessal 5.19 Apocal. 9.20 16.13.14 Act. 16.18 19 13-16 Math. 24 23-26 1. Corinth 12.7 and 2.4 and 14.15.26 Ierem. 23.16 Deut. 13.3 Col. 3.16 Iam. 5.13 Ioh. 4.24 Mr. Ber. I would not have you passe by these things lightly but weigh them wel and let vs have your answer vnto them Paralleles Censures Observations aperteyning to the tenth Section This Section consisteth of three maine branches which Mr. Bern. handleth from pag. 109. to the 150. of his book called the Sep. Schis Heer therfor I must endevor two things First to prove by vndeniable arguments drawne from the Scriptures that 1. the asseÌ„blies Ecclesiastical of England are false churches 2. the Ministers administring the holy things to these Ecclesiastical assemblies are false Ministers 3. the worship performed by the ministery people in the communion visible to be a false worship Secondly Mr. Bern. objections cavils must be refuted wher the reader must be advertised that in performing this latter part I shall not endevour to handle all things that Mr. Bernard propoundeth for ther is much truth by him propounded which I with him consent vnto only the points of difference shal be discusted the rest omitted In the first place therfor to deale as they say positively Kataskeuasticos I prove that al the Ecclesiastical assemblies of the Land as they stand established by law are false Churches that is to say not framed or constituted according to that presideÌ„t which Christ hath left for the constituting of the Churches of the new Testament but are framed according to the invention of man even that man of sinne Antichrist the Archenemy of Christ The first Argument from Mat. 3.6 Iam. 2.18 Rom. 1.7 1. Cor. 1.2 Eph. 1.1 Mat. 28.19 From these places of Scripture compared together I collect an argument which may thus be framed The true Churches of Christ were established of men that did repent beleeve and shew their faith by their workes that were Saints faithful visiblie of these only The assemblies Ecclesiastical of England are not established only of such persons but of al sorts of persons even the most profane of the Land being compelled by law to submit therto Ergo the Ecclesiastical assemblies of England are not the true established churches of Christs institution Heer it may be considered that before the Churches of the new Testament were established the gospel was preached vppon the publishing of the gospel men were converted to the faith of Christ being made the Disciples of Christ so many of them whither Iewes or Gentils as gladly receaved the word were baptized added to the Church continued in the Apostles doctrine fellowship breaking of bread prayer this was the constitution walking of the Churches of the Apostolique institution therfor the Churches of England being raised by compulsion without procedent teaching conversion to the faith making of them Disciples of Christ being newly hardly drawne from the Egipsian darknes of most palpable Antichristianisme being many of them brutishly ignorant prosessed Papists vild Atheists witches conjurers theeves dronkards blasphemers al of them submitted to Antichristian Lords Lawes to Popish Sacrificing Preists for their ministers were not newly ordeyned to a stinted devised corrupted Popish service book or worship they in this their constitution walking cannot be accounted the true established Churches of the Apostolique institution but rather are yet â—emayning in the gulfe of Antichristianisme The second Argument from 2. Cor. 6.17 Revel 18.4 Act. 19.9 2.40.47 5.13 1. Timoth. 6.5 From these such like places of Scripture compared together truly expounded may be collected an argument framed after this manner True Churches of the Apostolique institution consisted of a people seperated from â—â—eleevers whether Iewes or pagans or other The Ecclesiastical assemblies of England consist not of such a Seperated people but are compounded of a mixt people which for the most part are as bad as Iewes or Pagans viz persons notoriously wicked Ergo the Ecclesiastical assemblies of England are not the truly constituted Churches of the Apostolique institution Heer it wil nothing availe them to alledg as they are accustomed that they are neither Iewes nor Pagans For I have already proved that persons that submit to Antichrist his abhominations are in the Lords account equal to Pagans being called in the book of the Revelation Egiptians Sodomites Babylonians Gentils the Apostle willeth the Disciples to Seperate
themselves from brethren walking inordinately from persons excommunicate from converteous persons al other that either teach false doctrine or deny the powre of Godlines indeed though inword they professe the same 2. Tim. 3.5 Tit. 1.16 2. Thes 3.6 1. Cor. 5.11 The third Argument from Mat. 28.19.20 Act. 19.4.5 10.48 Mat. 18.20 The true Churches of the Apostolique institution were by baptisme gathered into the covenant or new Testament of Christ The Ecclesiastical assemblies of England are not by their baptisme conunited into the New Testament of Christ but only into the constitution ministery worship government into that faith doctrine which is by law established in the Land Ergo the Ecclesiastical assemblies of England are not the true Churches of the Apostolique institution The ground of this argument is this that the Apostles baprized men in definitely into the whole new Testament of Christ al the ordinances thereof which was not stinted or limited at the pleasure of men vnder certaine canons injunctions articles or Ecclesiastical constitutions but was large even as large as the whole word of truth then inspired or written by the Apostles Prophets whereas the assemblies of England do neither them selves professe the true saith of Christ conteyned in the new Testament their faith being stinted limited vnder certaine devised articles convocatiō howse Synodical decrees or constitutions wherevnto al the ministers of the lād are bound to Subscribe which is the faith of the whole nation neither therfor do they baptise into the new Testament of Christ indefinitely simply but respectively definitely into that faith doctrine which is taught in their stinted book of articles wherto they subscribe which they beleeve teach wherof the body of that Church is wherin wherto they are by baptisme admitted receaved their faith therfor being devised stinted or false therfore their baptisme false therfor their covenant false therfor the forme of their Church false therfor the Church it self a false Church For how can that be a true Church which hath a false faith covenant forme The fourth argument from Mat. 18 18-20 Marc. 13.34 Ioh. 20.23 Mat. 16.19 These places other like Scriptures afoard an argument which may be framed after this manner The true Churches of the Apostolique institution had Christs powre ministerial in the body of the Church The Ecclesiastical assemblies of England have not Christs ministerial powre residing in the body of the Church Ergo the Ecclesiastical assemblies of England are not the true Churches of the primitive Apostolique institution The Major or first part of this Argument hath been largely proved in the seaventh Section and in the Paralleles Censures Observations therto aperteyning whither the Reader is to be referred where this particular is handled affirmatively and negatively The Minor or second part of the argument is evident in it self For the powre Ecclesiastical of the assemblies is resident in the hands of certaine Archb. Lordb. Archdeacons Chancellors Commissaries Officials and other Ecclesiastical Superintendents which have powre over thousands or hundreths of Parish Ecclesiastical assemblies and the Ministers in them which have powre Ecclesiastical one over another to suspend excommunicate and absolve them according to their canons decrees and decretals the Prelate in his diocese or jurisdiction having absolute powre to interdict one or more Parish Churches from having any prayers or Service they have no powre to come into the Parish Church or Temple to worship whiles the interdiction with the Bbs. seale cleaveth vppon the Church dore c. divers particulars of like nature which doe evidently declare that the parish assemblies have no powre at all of themselves but are meerly and wholly subject and in bondage to the Ecclesiasticall Hierarchy and subordination of Clergie-men having Superintendency Superiority jurisdiction over them as their proper Spirituall LL. to Whome they dayly yeeld Spirituall homage and Subjection in their oaths off Canonicall obedience and actions of like Servitude The fifth Argument from 1. Timoth. 2.5 Heb. 9.15 Gal. 3.15.16 Iohn 17.9 These places of holy Scripture other of like nature may asoard an argument which may thus be framed The true Church of the primitive institution Apostolical had Christ Iesus for their mediator that is for their King Preist Prophet The assemblies Ecclesiastical of Englād have not Iesus Christ for their Mediator that is their King Preist Prophet Ergo the Ecclesiastical assemblies of England are not the true Churches of the primitive institution Apostolical The Minor or second part of the Argument may be confirmed by divers particulars as 1. Christ is not their King seing he onely ruleth by his owne Lawes and Officers and not by Antichristian Lords and Lawes such as are their Prelates and the Officers Courts and Canons 2. Christ is not their preist to ratifie vnto them by his blood that ordinance of Church Ministery VVorship and Government which they retaine among them which is not Christs Testament but the Testament of Antichrist the vtter enemy of Christ neither doth he prostitute the blood of his Testament to establish such a worship as their service book affoardeth or such a Ministery as their Clergie is from the ArchP to the ParishP or such a Government as their Ecclesiasticall Hircarchy or such a people for his body as are compounded of the Serpents seed a viperous brood of wicked men of all sorts 3. Christ is not their Prophett to teach them by the false Prophetts the instruments of Antichrist which dayly by their doctrine set vp Antichrists Officers Lawes oppugne the true New Testament of Christ in the true constitution Ministerie VVorship Government taught in his word Seing therfor Christ is not their King Preist Prophet how is he their Mediator Seing his mediation consisteth not in the execution dispensation of these their offices of King Preist Prophet The sixth Argument from Eph. 1.22.23 1. Cor. 12.27.12 Gal. 3.16 Eph. 5.23 From these places of Scripture compared together truly expounded may an argument be drawne framed thus The true Church of the Apostolique primitive institution hath Christ for the head and is a true body vnto the true head Christ truly vnited by the Spiritt of Christ The ecclesiastical assemblies of Englād are not a true body vnto Christ the true head truly vnited by the Spirit of Christ Ergo the ecclesiastical assemblies of England are not the true Churches of the primitive Apostolique institution The Minor or second part of the Argument may thus be confirmed in the three parts therof 1. Christ is not their true head seing they deny all his offices though they hold the doctryne of his nature and persons soundly as is plainly proved before in the fifth Argument 2. the assemblies as they stand in confusion with all the vngodly and vitious persons of the Land vnder the Antichristian Lords and Lawes Ecclesiasticall can not be a true body vnto Christ but
152. 6. That our Church standoth in an adulterous estate pag. 152. 7. That they cannot say certaynly by any warrāt off Gods worde that any of vs hath eyther fayth or seare god pag. 152. 8. That none off our Ministers may be heard pag. 152. 9. That it is not lawful to joyne in prayer with any off vs pag. 155. 10. That Ministers may not celebrate marriage nor bury the dead pag. 156. 11. That Ministers should only live off voluntary contribution not eyther off sett stipends or tithes pag. 156. 12. That our Churches ought to be raced downe not to be imployed to the true worship of God pag. 156. And thus much off this al other their Brownistical opinions pag. 157. This is the Recapitulation of our Brownisticall opiniōs as Mr. Bern. of his blasphemous vncharitablenes giveth them their denomination Remember herein that every cōpany of men whome god raised vp in this latter age to testifie for the truth against the man of sinne hath been intitled with like names as Lutherans Calvinists Zwinglians c. As in the act Christiās are caled the Sect of the Nazarits whēce I for my part should rather gather encouragemeht in the truth we hold then any discouragemēt seing no other thing befalleth vs herein then befell al the witnesses of the L. truth in al ages but let Mr. Bern his conforts vnderstand that we chardg them with Antichristianis me which they can not deny but which the best most sincere professors of the truths which he calleth Brownistical we justifie frō the holy Scriptures wherein let Mr. Bern. consider whither he doe not wound the Holy Scriptures the Holy Apostles Christ Iesus himself the Holy Spirit the author off the Holy Scriptures that through our sides For if these opinious as wee hold them be the truth of God then is he a blasphemer in a very high degree I would know whither he that heretofore oft tymes confessed them for truths can nowwithout horrible impiety apostacy blasphemy proclayme them Brownistical opinions see also whither his conscience can be cleer in this Now Further I desire the reader to compare these 22. particulars with the 16. points which I in this lettre have answered therby he shal observe two things First that Mr. Bern her in chardgeth vs with no thing truly which is not already answered in this lettre therfor he needed not againe to have objected these things publiquely except he had first published the lettre answered the particulars therof but herin it seemeth he thought to bleare the eyes of the world to beare mē in hand that he had somthing to say which was vnanswerable which notwithstanding was already answered as may be perceaved Secondly that this book of Mr. Ber. is most properly directly aymed at my lettre wherin I am most especialy interessed to yeeld answer though it be once answered by another happily may receave a third answer yet I cannot overpasse it least I seme to betray the truth who am by name singled out to the cōbat finaly seing Mr. Bern. hath published against vs without answer to this lettre let vs also herin cōsider his fraud decept in perverting misconstruing adding detracting falsely chardging vs following therein the dealing off his Father the Devill with Christ our first parents For all these evil courses I wil discover evidently to the reader that Mr Bern. in the particular Sections of this lettre hath vsed with mee so let these be added to his former sinnes mentioned in the First Section it wil appeare that he is now manifested by the L. to be one that hath fulfilled the measure of his iniquity The third Section The first point therfor that I wil speak to is vour tenth viz 10. That an erroneous constitution of a Church is a real Idol Heer I would fayne knowe whence you had this position I confesse I have written some such thing but neither have I written neyther doe I hold it as you propound I say that a Religions society framed after the invention of a mā without the warrant of the word is a real Idol but I do not say that some errors in the cōstitution of a Church maketh that Church a reall Idol For as in generation every fault in the seed which is the matter as for example a seed inclined to the gont or consumption or stone doth not make a false man but the partie begotten may be a true man not withstanding the infirmity of the seed So in the constitution of a Church not every error as if the members wherof the Church is framed have ignorances errors or infirmities in them maketh the Church a real idol For so ther should never possibly be a true Church in the world seing it is impossible to find men free from error Therfor this is the ground that I hold that if either the matter of the Church be not such as the word teacheth but a devised matter or of the forme be not that which the word teacheth but a devised forme or if the Church have not the properties which Gods word teacheth which doe necessaryly proceed frō the forme induced vppon the matter then such a Church I avouch to be a real idol take a fimilitude to illustrate it The seed of an asse a horse mingled together in generation doe not produce eyther a true horse or a true asse but a third thing formally differing from both viz a mule even so wicked men joyned with Godly men in a Church doe not produce a true Church but a false Church viz a reall Idol the church of Antichrist For this point consider what the holy Ghost writeth Apoe 18.2 That Antichrists Church is ther Prophesyed to be a cage of every vncleane hateful byrd which might not be eaten or offered in Sacrifice by the Holy people Deut. 14 3.11 againe 2. Cor. 6.14 The Apostle willeth the Corinths not to yoke with vnbeleevers bicause as in the old Testament the Holy people were forbidden to yoke an oxe which was a cleane creature an affe which was vncleane to draw the plough together Deut 22.10 Even so the faithful may not now yoke themselves to draw the L. plough with vn belevers bicause they may have no communion concord agreement followiship or part the one with theother but the faithful who are righteousnes light of the body of Christ the Temple of God the Children of God must come out from the vnbeleevers who are vnrighteousnes darknes of Belial the habitation of Devils Apoc 18.2 yea must be seperated from them must touch none of there vncleannes For if they stil stand in confusion with the vnbeleevers consenting to al ther sines they in that constitution are not a true Church but the prayers they offer vp with the prayers of the wicked comming from that false constitution are taynted with the idolatry of that constitution but perhaps you wil say that
bewray therein great ignorance of the true nature constitution of the Church of the Old Testament as also of the ministery worship government thereof which were al typical ceremonial Know you therfor Mr. Bern that ther is as much difference betwixt the Old Testâ—ment with the ordinances thereof the new Testament with the ordinances therof as ther is betwixt the signe the thing signified betwixt the ceremony the substâ—ncâ— the type the tâ—uth the shadow the body Lâ—â—eral Spiritual the lettre the Spirit For in these the like Phrases doth it please the Holy Spirit in the Scriptures tâ— discover vnto vs the differences of these two Testaments the ordinances thereoff you cannot plead bicause in the Old Testament there were Sacrificing Preists therfor tâ—eâ— mâ—st bâ— such in the New Testament neyther can you plead for that they had one high Pâ—eâ—â—t in the Old Testament therfor ther must be one Pope or Patriarch over the â—huâ—ch â—n the Nâ—w Testament To reason thus were to bring in Iudaisme to disanull the blood of Christ Therfor if you wil reason aright as you ought to doe you must â—rame your reason from the Type to the Truth after this manner This was a Type figure â—hadow ceremony signe literal ordinance in the old Testament therefor we must not have that type figure shadow ceremony signe literal ordinance in the new Testament but we must have the thing typed figured shadowed out signified thereby as for example In the old Testament they had a visible Tabernacle Temple Cittie wee must have a visible Church which is indeed the true Tabernacle Heb. 8.2 3 2-6 The true Temple 2 Corinth 6.15 the Holy Cittie Revel 21.2.3 In the Old Testament the materiall Temple was made of material stones in the New Testament the visible Church is made of living Spiritual stones 1. Pet. 2.5 in the old Testament the people that offered sacrifice were a holy people literally Deut. 14.2.3 in the new Testament the people that worship God must be holy indeed spiritualy 1. Pet. 2.5.9 the same may be said or the sacrifices sacrificers or Preists of al other ordinances of the old testameÌ„t hence it foloweth by a necessary consequence that the constitution of the church of the old testament was a ceremonial constitution the worship of the old testament a ceremonial worship the ministery a typical ministery the government a typical government the people a typical people the land or country a ceremonial country so forth of the rest by proportion This being propounded confirmed thus as the vndoubted truth of God discovereth the vanity of your reason I say vnto you that David Iehosaphat the rest of the Godly in the old testament though they did suffer known sin in the land yet were the true matter of the typical Church being typicaly or ceremonialy cleane For to the constitution of the typical Church ther was not required true holynes but ceremonial cleanenes although it was signified vnto them of the old testament necessarily required of them for their aceptation befor God that they should be truly holy sanctified for never was any accepted before God without true inward holines yet it was not necessarily required of them to the constitution of their Church for to make them true matter or members of that typical Church or to fit them to that typical coÌ„munion which was the proper coÌ„munion of that typical Church of that typical service Hence it is that as in the old testament a Saint was a typical Saint so an hipocrite was a typicall hipocrite a wicked man was a typical wicked man therfor excommunication was typical Nomb. 5 2-4 12.14 Hence also it foloweth that lawfully they might have typical communion in typical worship that were typicaly cleane or saynts typicaly though they were wicked indeed For their real wickednes did not polute their ceremonial or typical Church worship communion although it did polute their owne consciences workes Their ceremonial vncleanes did polute their ceremonial communion Their moral vncleanes did not so If their communion had been moral Spiritual then their moral vncleanes had defiled their coÌ„munioÌ„ but their coÌ„munion being only ceremonial typical their polution was only of that kind therfor you shal never find that in the old testament the L. chardgeth theÌ„ for coÌ„munion in their typical service with wicked men howsoever the wicked men theÌ„selves are sharpely reproved for their wickednes Besides the nature of their worship being wel weighed doth instruct vs thus much For their worship was reconciliation repentance to acceptation but our worship is of another nature viz Sacrifices of praise thanksgiving after repentance reconciliation acceptation For they did worship to repentance we do worship from repentance therfor they might did worship therby to reconcile theÌ„selves to God we being reconciled to God accepted in Christ do proceed to offer vnto the L. the calves of our lips the best grace we have with vs men first declare their repentance then we receave them into our communion to worship with vs with them first men were receaved into typicall communion then they were trayned vp to repentance faith in Christ by the typical sacrifices of that typical communion Their worship began outwardly in the lettre proceded inwardly to the Spirit so did their coÌ„stitution ministery al our worship beginneth inwardly in the Spirit proceedeth outwardly to the lettre Therfor our constitution ministery worship government is contrary to theirs therfor Mr. Bern. if you had knowne or observed this you would not have objected these things of the old Testament for the joyning with suffering of open knowne sinne in the new Testament the communion thereof For how can these things agree except you wil make the New Testament the Old Testament abolish Christ set vp Iudaisme againe But I would fayne know how you can prove that these holy meÌ„ did suffer opeÌ„ known sinne or suffering it were not defiled therby defiled I say not in their communion which was typical but in their consent which was Spiritual But this point I must thus leave wayting for your answer For I avouch that either the sinnes which they suffered were not knowne or if they were knowne they were defiled by them so not repenting of them al their worship was defiled to themselves but yet being ceremonially cleane their communion in ceremonial worship was not vncleane vnto others if you doe object vnto me that their Spiritual communion was polluted vnto others I answer that their moral or Spiritual communion was invisible so could not pollute others ther visible communion was typical ceremonial that only polluted others For such as was ther communion such was ther pollution Ther communion visible being typical did only polute typicaly our communion visible being moral or Spiritual doth pollute
to the covenant Christ the promises as a freholder hath to his lands possessions Esa 9.6 Vnto vs a sonne is given the chruch is the spouse of Christ so hath powre to Christ the covenant promises the Church is the body of Christ the body hath a real possession title powre to the head all the helps therof For the faithful are flesh bones of Christ Eph. 5.30 these things are manifest to them that wil vnderstand if any man be ignorant let him be ignorant But it may be Mr. Bern. you wil say that powre to bind lose are no properties of the Church but only priviledges For shame say not so Surely this plea argueth that either you got litle Logick in the vniversity or that you have forgot it or if you remeÌ„ber it you either carelesly neglect it or wilfully pervert the vse of it to seduce your followers I pray you tel me in good sooth what difference is there betwixt a priviledg a propertie Is not a priviledge according to the notation of the word privata lex a private law wherin one person or state is interessed The King hath certaine previledges or prerogatives as to pardon condemned persons to dispence with his law a negative voice in parliament c. I would faigne know of you whither these be not properties such as the Kings Queenes of the nation only have title to no other but consider wel with your self what relation ther is betwixt a priviledg the person that is interressed in the priviledg Is it not the relation of the subject the adjunct A priviledg therfor is an adjunct to the priviledged person Now al adjuncts are either proper or common adjuncts but a priviledge is not a common adjunct as I am sure you wil confesse or els you want reason therfor it is a proper adjunct It it be a proper adjunct it is a propertie so your distinction is senselesse vnscholler like you may aswel say that pepper is hot in working cold in operation as to say that the true Church may be without her priviledges but not without her properties Therfor I doe heer before the L. attach you as a deceaver of the people in teaching thus contrary to al learning true vse of reason that the powre of the Lord Iesus Christ given to the church one part whereof consisteth in binding losing is only a priviledg not a propertie of the true Church that the true Church may want it It is as impossible for the true Church to want Christs powre as for a man to want reason Mr. Ber. answer now or els yeeld to the truth you cannot for shame denie the one of them Paralleles Censures Observations aperteyning to the seaventh Section In this Section I write prove that the powre of binding losing is given to the whole multitude not to the principal members therof Mr. Bern. in his book intituled the Sep. Schisme pa. 88. calleth it the A.B.C. of Brownisme to hold That the powre of Christ that is authority to Preach to administer the Sacraments to exercise the censures of the Church belongeth to the whole Church yea to every one of them not the principal members therof Mr. Ains answering Mr. Ber pa. 174. Saith that Mr. Ber. may put this opinion if he please in the Criss-crosse-rew of Bernardisme he himself being the first that ever he heard to vtter such a position afterward pa. 175. 176. 177. 178. Expoundeth what that auncient Church whereof of he is teacher holdeth concerning it Wel Let vs handle these things largely to ful satisfaction herein I professe befor the Lord befor the whole world that if I do not prove evidently my assertion that the powre of binding losing is given to the whole multitude not to the principall members therof I wil acknowledg the Churches of England yea the Churches of Rome yea the Greek Churches also to have a true ministery to be true churches of Christ For if the ministerie the holy things with the ministerie come by succession from the Apostles handes through the churches of Rome the Grecians that ther are no ministers but such as are made by theÌ„ froÌ„ theÌ„ successively our whole cause of Seperation lyeth in the dust we must disclaime our Schisme which we have made our heresies which we hold but if it be proved that the true ministerie commeth not by succession from the churches of Rome or the Grecians that the holy things are not given to the ministery by sucessioÌ„ but are giveÌ„ first to the body of the church the faithful yea though they be but two or three that both the ministerie and all the powre that the ministerie hath doth â—â—ow from the Fountayne Christ Iesus through the body of the Church 〈◊〉 the Presbytery then is your Church ministerie false so are the Churches of the East West much more then we those Churches only which raise vp their Ministerie from the Election aprobation ordination of a faithful people are the true Church of Christ having the true Ministerie of Christ you with the rest of Gods people in Babylon must seperate joyne together walk in the Lords ordinances as we other true Churches doe or els woe be vnto you from the Lord Therfor in this particular I would supplicate the Kings Majestie my Soveragne Lord on earth the Lords of the Parliament The Gentlemen that susteyne the person of the commons in the nether howse al the learned men of the Land to confider to search out this point For it being throughly cleered may breed peace infinite good to the whole nation whereas it being suppressed choked darkened neglected draweth with it al the contentions and controversies amongst them that professe Christ in the whole earth For my part Mr. Ber. I wil endevour according to my poore hability to discover what I have conceaved and doe vndoubtedly beleeve from the Scriptures and doe make the beginning of my inquisition after this manner which I desire the gentle reader to weigh consider of with his best attention Christs visible church which is his Kingdom hath in it a spiritual powre and jurisdiction by the confession of al that professe Iesus Christ which powre is of two sortes 1. The powre of Christ himself who is the Lord King of his Church Mat. 28.18 and he is the Fountaine of powre being the head of the Church which is his body Eph. 1.22.23 For as the head is the Fountaine of life sense motion powre to the whole body as the Mr. of the howse is the original of al oeconomical powre So is Christ the original of al spiritual life sense motion powre to the Church which is his body family This is evident in regard of this powre which is inherent in Christ the church which
Therfor Christs ministerial powre commeth not by succession to the Pope Bbs. or Presbytery primarily but is given to the body of the Church The sixth Argument If Christs ministerial powre commeth by succession to the Pope Bbs. or Presbytery Then the office of the Deacons widowes are lost sith succession in them is interrupted lost for as in the old testament a Preist came of a Preist a Levite of a Levite so an Elder maketh an Elder a Deacon ordeyneth a Deacon a widow must ordeyne a widow But the office of the Deacon widow is not lost for none of Gods ordinances are perisht but may be had or els Gods truth mercy to his Church fayleth who hath said that he wil be with his Church to the end of the world Therfor Christs ministerial powre commeth not by succession to the Pope Bbs. or Presbytery primarily but is given to the body of the Church The seaventh Argument That doctryne which destroyeth it self is false The doctryne of succession viz that Christs ministerial powre commeth by succession to the pope Bbs. or Presbytery destroyeth it self Therfor the doctryne of succession is a false doctryne The minor I manifest thus If the papists say truly that al ecclesiastical powre floweth from Christ to the Clergie though the pope then why doth the college of Cardinalls make a pope by Election why doth not one pope make another pope before his death Therfor Election overthroweth the succession of the popes office For the pope cannot both give Christs Ministerial powre to the Clergie of Rome take the same ministerial powre from the Cardinals by Election but when the pope is dead then is Christs ministerial powre dead also in the popes person thus doth successioÌ„ overthrow it self in the pope by consequent in the rest For Christs ministerial powre being once interrupted in the pope can never be recovred againe but is vtterly lost so the Church is abolished For if the presbytery be lost the Church is lost if the bbs be lost the presbytery is lost if the pope be lost the bbs be lost if the pope be dead the pope is lost if the pope be lost Christs ministerial powre is lost for if it be said that the pope hath his powre by Election from the Cardinals theÌ„ succession is destroyed so you may see evidently that succession destroyeth it self seing Election must needes be interposed Therfor indeed ther is no true succession but that of the old Testament viz by descent genealogie this succession which is pleaded for by ordination of precedent presbytery bbs pope is mans invention destroyeth it self therfor is a meer Antichristian devise But heer certayne objections must be answered for the further manifestation of the matter of succession for sactisfaction therein The first Objection Alchough the Ministeriall powre of Christ be not given to the pope so perisheth not with him yet it is given to the bbs who are the Successors of the Apostles in that Ministeriall powre and in the dispensation of it to the Ministerie and Church Seing therefore that ther is a certayne and vndoubted Succession of bbs from the Apostles dayes hetherto one ordeyning another successively therefore though succession be interrupted in the Pope whose ministerial heads hip we renounce yet it is continued in the Bbs. who are the Apostles successors in dispensing this ministerial powâ—e to the ministerie Churches Answer to the first Objection This objection dependeth vppon an vncertanity viz That ther hath been a succession of Bbs. one ordeyning another successively froÌ„ Peter Paul Iames through the Church of Rome the Greekes therfor I answer that except they can shew the courte rowles that I may so speak of the vndoubted successive ordination from Peter Paul Iames c. I shal say vnto al the Bbs. of England as Nechemjah said to the Preists that could not shew ther succession from Aaron by Genealogie Nehem. 7 64.65 Bicause their successive ordination is not found they shal be put from their Bishopricks they shal not administer in the Bbs. office til their arise vp one as with Vrim Thummim to divine vnto vs the truth of this matter For we wil not beleeve the records of the Church of Rome who also are defective in this particular for though they have the succession of Popes yet not of other Bbs. Further the vanity of this objection appeareth in this that hereby they are vrged for the justifying of this Antichristian devise of succession by ordination to go to the throne of Antichrist the popedome to fetch their ministerie thence as if the true ministerie off Christ could be in the false Church of Antichrist hereby also they do acknowledg Rome to be the true Church their Sacrificing Preisthood a true Ministerie orders a true Sacrament the Eucharist a true propitiatory Sacrifice for the quick dead prayers for the dead a thousand such abhominations which are necessary dependances therevppon They must also acknowledg themselves Schismatiques from the Church of Rome are never able to answer the popish bookes the petitions of the Papists to the King who object these and the like things against them The Second Objection Although the pope Bbs have not Christs ministerial powre given to them by succession yet the presbytery may have that powre by delegation from Christ when their shal arise a company of true faithful teachers who standing out against the popedome prelacy al the abhominations therof also renouncing al the corruptions of their ordination refining both the doctryne of faith the true calling of ministers from the drosse of Antichristianisme doe yet notwithstanding retayne the truth which they in the seate of Antichrist had as in the faith so in the ministery For Antichrist had not â—â—â—erly abolished but only corrupted the Lords ordinances Answer to the second Objection This objection dependeth vppon the former grounds namely that the Church of Rome is a true Church though corrupt having a true ministerie though corrupt c. of the rest For otherwise how can they plead ther ministery to be true from the Bbs. except they do acknowledg also the Bbs Ministery to be true receaved froÌ„ the Popedome the popish ministerie to be true for otherwise they must maintaine that a true ministerie commeth from a false ministerie which is as impossible as to bring light out of darknes So that this Objection is also answered in the former already needeth no further answer yet neverthelesse I say vnto the point that al the refining of the world can not bring a true ministery out of a Sacrificing Preisthood Or a true presbytery out of a false Antichristian prelacy For as it was impossible for the preists of the Old Testament to ordeyne true Ministers of the New Testament So much more is it impossible for the false popish Sacrificing preisthood to ordeyne true ministers of Christs true Church For the Sacrificing
Seperate from persons ceremonialy vncleane 3. if the Apostles commaund Seperation from the Iewes members of that true Church of the old Testament refusing Christ rayling against him Then much more ought we to Seperate from you the members of false Churches refusing persecuting Christ in his members new Testament vnto death as they have felt 4. if Antichristims Gentils be in degree equall as they are in the Holy Ghosts account as I have formeâ—ly proved theÌ„ from you who are AntichristiaÌ„s visible members of false Churches ought Seperation to be made 5. although you are not excommunicate from the true Church whereof you never were yet you entertaine excommunicates from true Churches you are cages of every vncleane hateful bird if I must avoyd private familiar communion with excommunicate wicked persons then much more must I shun Spirituall holy communion with them except any man wil be so ridiculous as to say that the Hoâ—y Spiritual communion afordeth more liberty to sinne sinners then private civil communion in meate drinck c. so by your own confession al the places of Scripture alledged against you by vs may by just due proportion be applyed vppon you being as you stand in your constitution worship false Churches false worshippers persecuters of Christ his truth faithful witnesses To end al you say that it cannot be proved that it is sinn to heare the word preached to receave the Sacraments of one that hath converted him is called of the church wel Mr. Bern. I vnderstand your drift I wil give you an answer I say in your assemblies men do not convert to the true visiole faith of Christ taught in his word viz in the new Testament nor you ever converted man therto but pervert men from it as this book of yours al your railings against our testimony do plainly evince what you do invisibly the Lord knoweth every mans owne conscience can speak that feeleth but what say you of the Popish preachers do you think they convert none invisiblie what doe you gaine by this fancy neither they nor you convert to the faith or new Testament of Christ but they pervert meÌ„ from you you pervert men from the Seperation both hinder draw from the truth what you do invisiblie I seek not nor ought not to respect for visible walking yet know that we hold that ther are 7000. that are of the Lords Election in your false Churches So are ther in Rome it self Revel 18.4 whence did al the worthy witnesses of Christ arise as the waldenses Hus Prage Luther the Martyrs in Q. Maries dayes in EnglaÌ„d at other tymes in other places did they not come out of the bottomlesse pit of Antichristianisme being converted there yet I hope you wil not say that they might stil joyne to that ministery yet the ministers then had the calling of that church such as it was if therfor the argumeÌ„t be not good for them no more is it for you for you wil be proved to be AntichristiaÌ„ Ministers as truly in quality though not asmuch in quantity as they are this shal suffice for answer to this point The ninth Section Your next point wherto I will speak is the sixth in nomber which you hold error but I hold as a truth if it be wel conceaved it is this 6. That the word truly preached Sacraments rightly administred are no infallible tokens of a true Church I am sure you doe or may remember that proprium cum specie convertitur as the Logicians speak For example Every man is reasonablâ— every reasonable creature is a maÌ„ Now al I say is that the word truly preached the Sacraments duely administred are no properties of a true church For although this be true that whersoever the word is truly preached ex officio the Sacraments rightly administred ther is a true Church yet I denie the other viz That wheâ—soever ther is a true Church the word is truly preached the Sacraments are rightly administred For these two are not convertible but this I hold that a true Church powre to preach the word truly and administer the Sacraments duely are convertible and therefore that the powre of our Lord Iesus Christ given to the Church is an essential propertie of a true Church and therefore convertible with a true Church Now sometyme it falleth out that a true Church hath not the word ministerially preached nor the Sacraments administred namely when it wanteth Officers as it sometyme falleth out This point also is plaine enough if you have not loft your Logick therefore I leave it requiring your answer Paralleles Censures Observations aperteyning to the ninth Section I cannot find in all Mr. Bern. book intituled the Sep Schisme any thing in opposition to this Section of my lette vnto him whereby I collect that he yeeldeth it as a truth it is not material to the point of Seperation any thing at al only the truth must be defended for the Author of truths sake that the Lord his truth may in all things be honored the summe of al this Section is thus much that as not the act of reasoning is the true propertie of a man but the faculty to reason Non ratiocinari sed rationale So not the actual preaching administring of the Sacraments but the powre of Christ to have vse al the holy things of God is the true property convertible in fallible token of a true Church For as every man although he be reasonable yet doth not actually vse reasoÌ„ at al tymes as namely being an infaÌ„t being a sleep being in a Lethargie or sincope So the true Church though it have alwayes powre to al the holy things yet actually it doth not vse the powre But I list not to speak much concerning this particular which is more Scholasticall then profitable the rather seing Mr. Bernard contendeth not about it The tenth Section The next position is according to your order the twelvth viz That every of our assemblies are false churches al our ministers false ministers our worship a faise worship you cal this en or I cannot beleeve you wherfor I declare them vnto you particularly in order after this manner But bicause your Wordes seem to import that you doe not defend all your assemblies to be true Churches all your Ministers true Ministers the worship of every assemblie to be a true worship for that I gesse by your covenant you exclude dumb Ministers the assemblies over which they are the worship offered vp by them Therefore I wil onely plead against your parish Church at worksap and your owne Ministerie and the worship offered vp by you for your people in the parish Church at worksap First for your assemblie I vse this reason to prove it no true Church wher the people are not Holy Elect faithful having not entered
is a monstrous body like vnto the body of Nebuchadnetzars image Daniel 2.32 3. this monstrous body cannot be vnited to the true head Christ by his Spirit but the people of the assemblies being for the most part the seed of the Serpent must needes be knit together and vnto their head Antichrist by the Spirit of Antichrist the Spirit of Sathan All this I speak of their visible communion and of that politique body Ecclesiasticall which is called their Church For otherwise I doe acknowledg vnfeynedly and doe vndoubtedly beleeve that the Lord hath his thousands among them even a remnant according to the Election of grace Thus have I proved vnto you Mr. Bernard positively that the Ecclesiastical assemblies of England in their present constitution and walking are not the true churches of the primitive Apostolique institutioÌ„ but are in their outward visible politique subsistence the churches of Antichrist framed after the shape of the popish asseÌ„blies though much refined from the venemous drosse of popery now in the second place it remayneth that I deale anaskeuasticos with you answering those things which you alledg for your Churches to prove them true The great maine pillar of your building is this that seing your Church hath not a false head false matter false forme false properties therefore it is not a false but a true Church To these 4. particulars I answer distinctly First you have a false head in that you worship God in a fantastical Christ of your owne devising in that you shape him a Kingdom Preisthood Prophesy of your owne invention making him a mediator intercestor to al the profane people of the Land causing him to offer vp other worship worshippers to his Father then he hath taught in his new Testament purchased by his blood by this meanes dealing with Christ as somtyme the Iewes did putting a reed in his hand a crowne of thornes vppon his head kneeling downe vnto him as to a King bidding him prophecy yet smite him vppon the face spit at him presently crucify him For whereas you frame him a Kingdom Subjects Officers Lawes a government after your owne invention or rather out of the Propes decretals decrees hereby you seem to make him a King but indeed you Crucifye him againe and tread vnder foote the blood of the Testament which he hath purchased established at so high a rate Secondly your church hath a false matter For seing you do al this indignity to Christ the head of his true Church do you think that he wil entertaine you for the true matter of his Church the true subjects of his Kingdom the true members of his body the faithful Servants of his howse his chast true welbeloved Spowse wife either you must repent reforme your selves of al that vild indignity which you offer vnto Christ or els he wil never receave you for the matter of his Church the Subjects of his Kingdom the members of his body the Servants of his howse his espowsed wife For Christ wil not take a wife of fornication children of fornication Hos 1. he wil not have the Servants of Antichrist to be his howsehold Servants Mat. 6.24 nor wil he take the members of an harlot make them the members of Christ 1. Cor. 6.15 the Subjects of his vtter enemy Antichrist cannot possibly be the true faithful Subjects of Christs Kingdom Luk. 19.27 But in the pa. 111-116 of your book you make a distinction of matter as No matter True matter False matter they are no matter of a church say you which do not professe Christ as Iewes Turks Pagans They are true matter that professe Christ to be the Sonne of God the Sonne of Mary the only Saviour of man False matter say you is contrary to the true Further this true matter of the Church you say is good bad good matter you say as it seemeth to me is men walking vprightly in this profession of Christ bad matter are men walking wickedly this you illustrate by the matter of mariage for she may be a true wife though a bad one also by the similitude of subjects to a King who may be true though bad ones breaking his lawes a true tradesman though vnskilful in his professioÌ„ for your selves you say you are true matter of Christs church though not good matter bicause you professe Christ truly as is said before wel Mr. Ber. I yeeld the general distinction of matter but I deny the particular application of it to your selves I say you are false mater how therfor do you prove vnto vs that you are â—â—ue matter by 4. reasons wherof the first is for that you beleving this forsaid truth you beleeve the summe of the gospel I deny it vtterly the summe of the gospel is this that Iesus Christ the Sonne of God the Sonne of Mary is the only King Preist Prophet of his Church governing Sacrificing making intercession prophecying after that holy manner according to those rules which he hath prescribed in his Testament Now to beleeve truly concerning the person of Christ to beleeve falsely concerning his office as you doe is not to beleeve the whole gospel but only a peece of it So that this is the doctrine alone by which the Apostles did gather a people to make them a Church disciples of Christ the profession herof admitted men as true matter of a Church this only differenceth the true Church from Iewes Turkes Pagans Papists al other Antichristians Heretiques viz Iesus Christ God and man King Preist Prophet mediator of his owne Testament Therfor your second third fourth reasons fal flat to the ground the first being vnderminded as you see but ther is one thing that I wonder at that you should hold the Papists to be false matter of a Church for holding justification by workes therby denying Christs Preisthood hold your selves to be true matter of the Church denying Christs Kingdom in the true frame ministery worship government of his Church what is not Christs Kingdom as pretious as his Preisthood is it not as horrible impiety to deny Christs Kingdom the ordinances therof as to deny his Preisthood the vertue therof or is Christs Preisthood more fundamental then his Kingdom or justification by workes more pernitious then to deny Christ to raigne as King to refuse his regiment wel if the papists be false matter by your owne confession for the one you must needes also be false matter for the other For I am confident that Christs Kingdom is as pretious an office as his Preisthood even as the Kingdom in the old Testament was as excellent as the Preisthood now Mr. Bern. what is become of the Church seing your matter is false as you may perceave by this description what shall your similies of a bad wife a bad subject of a bad artificer help you
drincking of wine performed by any persons after any manner or washing with water likewise true Sacraments I think you will not say it it is therefore necessary that there bee a concurrence of other matters viz That seing Sacraments are in relation and reference those references or relations must needes be annexed els they are not true Sacraments as a baptized person must baptize into the true Faith of Christ a person capable of baptisme A communion of men having title to the Lords Supper must break bread and drinck wine to remember Christ and shew forth his death till he come Therefore whereas you hold and teach that the whole bundel of the Antichristian constitution ministerie worship and Government of the assemblies are the Lords ordinances you teach a false word and whereas you being a false Church and Ministery doe baptize with water and break bread wine to remember a false Christ and a false Testament and a false Faith therein you declare plainly that you have not the true Sacraments and whereas in your Observe well you say Truly and Rightly respect grace in administring the VVord and Sacraments and therefore to preach the word Truly and Rightly to administer the Sacraments are no convertible signes of a true Church I answer That Truly and Rightly to administer doe also respect the outward manner of doing in the Essentiall relations spoken of before and not onely grace And so your Observe well is not worthy observation In your third essential propertie you wil needes have discipline no true convertible signe of a true Church Sir I confesse vnto you that the vse of the Censures of admonition excommunication which I suppose you cal discipline is not a convertible signe of a true Church but only powre title interest to vse them this title I deny you to have For how can you being in your constitution mighled with the world vnseperated poluted with so many Antichristian fornications as yet are extant in your assemblies have title to any of the Lords ordinances doth the Lord think you give his covenant new Testament purchased by the blood of Christ vnto such persons as trample vnder foot the whole Testament of Christ the ordinances therof hath the theef title to the true mans purse though he have the possession of it no more have you title to Chr. visibly though you vsurp him challendg him never so peremptorily wherefor to end this point of the properties of the true Church I say til you have Seperated your selves from al the wicked people Antichristian ordinances in your assemblies til you have vowed covenanted to embrace practise al the ordinances of Christs new Testament you can have no title or interest to the holy things of God vse them as long as you lift you abuse them Lastly to conclude this first part of the Section viz that your Churches are false churches I say to that which you object pag. 110. that many corruptions may be in a church yet it a true Church the constitution being true viz So long as they are not impenitent after conviction therfor Israel the Lords people so long as they retained their true cōstitution Ezech. 16.21.22 the men of Ephesus beleevers ignorant of the visible gifts of the Holy Ghost Act. 14.2 The Corinthians Saints though incest dronkennes fornication false doctryne contention much evil among them bicause they were not impenitent after twise admonition or conviction so forth of the rest but you wil confesse that the Prelates their faction are obstinate after conviction we avouch that the Puritanes are obstinate after conviction for they neither have answered nor can answer that we object against them therfor although you constitutiō had been true which was never yet your Church is become false being obstinate in sinne persecuting to death imprissonment losse of goods c. al that testify against her abhomin tions that this is a signe of a false Church read 2. King 17. Ierem. 3.8 Math. 23.37.38 Math. 21 33-43 Act. 19.9 The second point to be handled in this Section is that al your ministers are false ministers in handling whereof I wil proceed as in the former point of this Section viz First confirme the truth by arguments drawne from the Scriptures Secondly refute your fancyes wherby you would prove your ministery true Therefore in the first place to prove your ministers false Ministers I vse these Arguments The first Argument The true ministerie cannot be raised out of a false Church The Ecclesiastical assemblies of England are false Churches Therfor the ministers of those assemblies Ecclesiastical are false ministers The ground of this argument is propounded confirmed in the 7. Section where it hath been proved by divers vndeniable reasons that Christs ministerial powre whereof one part is the calling of Ministers is not given by succession to the Pope Bbs. or presbytery but to the body of the congregation if they be but two or three So that seing the true Church is in nature being before the ministery the ministerie is but one of the holy things given to the Church one part of Christs powre delegated to the Church one branch of that true title interest which the L. Iesus the Bridegrome husband of the Church giveth to the Bride the Spowse of Christ the true Church The Ministerie therfor must needes follow the Church be after the Church be raised out of the church therefore the true Ministery of Christ is only where the true Church of Christ is so it cannot be in the astemblies Ecclesiastical of England being not the true Churches of Christ The second Argument The true ministerie hath a true office in execution wherof it is exercised Rom. 12.7 1. Cor. 12.5.28 Fph 4.11 The ministerie of the Ecclesiastical assemblies of England have not a true office in execution wherof it is exercised Ergo The ministerie of the Ecclesiastical assemblies of England is not the true ministerie The foundacion of this argument is this viz that seing the ministerie of the Church of England ariseth out of the ministerie of the Church of Rome as a branch out of the root of the tree therfor it must needes be of the same nature kind with the ministerie of the Church of Rome For as a man begetteth a man one light commeth of another one Preist begetteth another in the old Testament so in ordination by succession one Minister maketh another therfor as the branch is of the same nature with the root the Sonne with the Father one candle light with another one Aaronical Preist with another So must the minister ordeyned be of the same nature office with him that ordeyneth him Seing therfor the ministerie of the Church of Rome is a popish Sacrificing Preisthood that is a false ministerie having a false office it must needes follow that the ministerie of the Church of England proceeding from the ministerie
Ergo the ministers of England are Apostles as Paul or thus He that converteth Soules is sent of God Rom. 10.14.15 The Ministers of England convert Soules Ergo the ministers of England are sent of God If I should yeeld your first argument theÌ„ it would follow that you al the ministers that convert soules in England are Ap. but you intend not to prove your selves Apst but ordinary Pastors of visible churches therfore your argument if it were yeelded proveth not your purpose I know you do not challendg to be an Apostle as Paul was Againe to answer to your second argumeÌ„t we yeeld you that no maÌ„ caÌ„ coÌ„vert to the true saith of Chr. new TestameÌ„t which is visible except he be sent of God but seing you pervert men froÌ„ the new testament of Chr. as I have proved how can you herby prove your selves to be sent of God nay I say you are the instruments of Sathan sent by the L. in his wrath to keep the people in bondage froÌ„ the obedience of the faith taught in the new testament I do not determine what you are invisibly secreatly known to the L. neither doth the Scripture teach vs so to judg of faith For how can the Scripture teach vs visiblie to judg an invisible thing which is not appearing in visible Fruites Further wher as you say that the 1. Cor. 9.1 2. Cor. 3 1-3 doth not intend the constitution of the Church of the Corinths other Churches but their conversion from idolatry to embrace the doctryne of the gospel by faith I answer that these two things which you distinguish are al one they are no other in distinction then Arons beard the beard of Aaron as you speake for to convert men to the Faith of the gospel is to convert men to the true constituted Church of Christ For they are not converted to the true faith til they be converted established into the true Church if it may be sound So that this objection of yours is very insufficient if not altogether ridiculous for the force of the Apostles argument in these two places of the Corinths I say it is mistaken by you vtterly so wrested from the Holy Ghosts purpose misapplyed by you to prove your intention For the seale of Pauls Apostles hip was the Church of the Corinths converted to the saith established into the true constitution of the new Testament 1. Cor. 9.2 so Paul expoundeth himself in the other place 2. Cor. 3.10 saying that he was made an able Minister of the new Testament even as Moses was of the old For the vnderstanding of which place the whole matter you must remember what Moses did to the Church of the Iewes what Paul did to the Church of the Corinths Moses did constitute the Church of the Iewes according to the paterne shewed him in the mount that most faithfully Heb. 8.5 Paul being the Apostle of the Gentils sent by Chr. Iesus for that purpose hath established the Church of the Corinths according to that paterne which Christ the Mediator revealed vnto him which none could doe but an Apostle sent by Christ So that the force of Pauls Argument to prove himself an Apostle must thus be propounded conceaved He that hath the seale of an Apostelship is an Apostle Paul hath the seale of an Apostelship viz an infallible direction from Christ Iesus by the Spirit to convert establish the Church of the Corinths into the true constitution of the new Testament Ergo Paul is an Apostle of Iesus Christ Now Mr. Bern. I would require you to answer directly plainly whither this be not the true Scope intent of these two places of Scripture if yea then are you a most ignorant shameles perverter false interpreter of the Scriptures wherof I require your repentance before the Lord the world for your sinne is publique if nay then discover the contrary if you can justifie your self or els I doe professe vnto you to all the ministers of England that you doe abuse the honest harted people of the Land misleading them meerly by the pretence of this argument of converting soules For they feeling in their consciences secreatly the Lords work of inward conversion by the ministery of the Land especially the sincerest most forward puritans thereby are brought to reverence their ministery vnder the vizaâ—d of this inward work in their consciences pretending conversion to the visible faith of Christs new Testament doe hereby resolutely persist vnder that ministery whereby say they they were converted assuring themselves that it cannot be a false ministery that converteth men to the Lord inwardly and secreatly then you the ministers of the Land deceaving others being deceaved your selves by the misconstruction of these the like places of Scripture stand vp stoutly to defend your ministery after this manner are wee not true ministers of Iesus Christ have wee not converted Soules are not you the Seale of our ministerie the forward professors of the Land wee appeale vnto your consciences if you in our ministery have not felt the powre of the word to your inward conversion If this be so how can you forsake your Fathers that begat you how can you go to the Seperation that never coÌ„verted you c. I answer what you doe inwardly in conversion I dispute not the Scripture regardeth not what you doe outwardly that I plead the Scripture discovereth you convert not a man to the true faith of Christ which is visible in the visible communion of the true Church of the Apostle Pauls constitution such as was the Church of the Corinths and therfor you cannot by your inward invisible conversion which you plead for prove your ministery For except you can produce such an effect as Paul did in the Corinths you cannot prove your selves to be the true ministers that are sent of God For Paul saith yee Corinths are our Epistle vnderstood read of al men So that Pauls Seale of his ministery was an outward visible legible faith viz The faith of the true Church of the new Testament whereinto the Apostle had established them which al men did see behold read manifestly wherefore if you the Ministers of England wil prove your selves to be the true ministers of the new Tesament then shew mee such a seale of your ministery as the Apostle heere speaketh of convert men establish them in the true Apostolical Church of the primitive institution I for my part wil yeeld vnto you that as paul was sent extraordinarily so are you ordinarily by the Lord you are the true ministers of Iesus Christ truly sent Rom. 10. but seing you doe what you can to hinder al your disciples from the true Corinthian Church established by paull according to the paterne of Christs new Testament not bringing the people that depend vppon you so far as you know acknowledg but stil counsel them
them are not capable to choose them a minister over them afterward in the end of the Section I say such a mixt company are not a true Church a minister chosen by them is not a true minister Heer I desire that it may be observed that I doe not deny but men that are mixt may apoint one to preach the word vnto them but that which I say is that a mixt company of good bad is not a true Church that a man chosen by them to be their Minister is not a true minister If men desire instruction I deny not but they may appoint one to teach them that Magistrates in ther dominions may appoint men to preach the word to ther subjects for ther conversion that it is a lawful thing for the people to heare such men for men of gifts to preach to such a people this we see practised Act. 13.42 17 19-21 28.30 otherwise how is it possible that men should be brought to the knowledg of the truth Mr. Ber. if you think that we deny the lawfulnes of this you doe vs open wrong if his Matie should dissolve the parish Ecclesiastical assemblies the false ministery should coÌ„maund men of knowledg gifts to preach the word to his subjects I doubt not but al of vs would herein readily yeeld our selves to heare learne the truth at any such persons ourselves to teach the truth to such a people but to say that such a people are true Churches or such preachers the true Pastors of true visible Churches that wee deny that you shal never be able to prove but if after such preaching by such preachers the L. work with the people so as that they gladly receave the word repent beleeve desire to walk in the truth therevppon do promise to the L. each to other to walk in his wayes this promise maketh them a true Church then if they chose among them men able to lead seed them appoint such men to such office the men so chosen apointed are the true Pastors which the Scripture describeth but what is all this to your assemblies Ministers who as yet have not cast of the yoke of Antichristian bondage whose communion ministery is not dissolved but remayneth firme the same in nature though much bettered in degre with the Romane assemblies Ecclesiastical whereas you in this particular object to vs that two or three of vs Seperated from you gathered together into the new Testament of Christ assume powre to make Ministers a practise as you say farre from plaine evidence of Scripture or any practise of the Church these thousand yeeres I answer it is no mater for the practise of the Church these thousand yeeres for Gregory the great Bb. of Rome who lived a thousaÌ„d yeeres since hoysed vp Antichrist into the highest exaltation against God his Christ in a manner his Successors especially Boniface some other have maintayned enlarged that Antichristian Kingdom even to our dayes yet the mistery of iniquity is exalted in these particulars wherfor this allegation of yours is nothing to the purpose if you be a sound protestant For if prescription of a thousand yeeres bee good in any thing why not in al things if not in al things then in nothing And wheras you alledg that it is also far from plaine evidence of the Scripture I answer the evidence is plaine to them that wil vnderstand I would know what is plaine evidence of Scripture is not a true natural consequence plaine evidence is not this plaine evidence Math. 18.20 whersoever two or three shal be gathered together into my name I wil be in the midst among them this 2. Corinth 6.17 bee yee Seperated I will receave you bee your Father this Gallat 3.16 the promises are made to Abraham and to his seed So then they that are of Faith are blessed with Faithful Abraham Gallat 3.9 If Christ wil be present with two or three of his Disciples If God will receave them that are Seperated bee their God if the promises bee given to them that beleeve as Abraham beleeved Then Christ is their Christ God is their Father the promises are theirs and the ministery is theirs by plaine evidence then they may assume the ministery vse it as God hath appointed But for this point read the seaventh Section the Paral. Censur Observat therto aperteyning The thirteenth Section The next point to be handled is your seaventh in nomber viz. That a minister may be made without Elders ordinarily I meane for extraordinary courses are not now to be vsed for ought I see this point you blame as error Let vs see whether it be error or not I hold that a minister may be made without Elders more plainly I say that when the Church wanteth Elders the Church hath powre to Elect approve ordeyne her owne Elders also to elect approve ordeine her owne Deacons both men woemen For if you remember what was before spoken to your fifth position viz that the church hath the powre of Chr in it self viz that it hath Chr. the covenant al the promises given to it being yet but few in nomber that the Church hath these things in true title interest as her owne freehold then you shal see what wil follow hervppon namely that the Church hath powre to receave in members cast out members to receave in her Officers to dischardg theÌ„ of office the church hath powre to the preaching of the word to the administring of the seales of the covenant to binding losing which workes she cannot do herself being many therfor she appointeth fit persons therto viz such officers as Christ hath given to his Church which are the Elders stil notwithstanding reserving her powre to herself when occasion shal be offered these things are sufficiently proved already in answer to your fifth imputation but you have some thing perhaps to say for ordination that the Church hath not powre of it then belike al the promises are not given to the Church for if ordination be not given to the Church then the ministery is not given to the Church for it seemeth you make ordination a great part of the ministerie but know for your learning that ordination doth give nothing at al to the Minister For election is the verâ—e essence forme of the minister for in election powre to administer is given to the officer elect For when the Church choseth the minister doth not the Church in effect say we give the A. b powre to administer the word seales of the covenant censures in the behalf of the whole Church the minister Elect doth then actually possesse assume that powre delegated vnto him by the Church so when the Church choseth her Deacons doth she not in effect speake thus we give you c.d.e.f.
Saints now Saints are converted already and the Officers of the Church are conversant about the Saints converted not about the profane vnconverted you know a shepherd a flock are convertible therfore the place Ephe. 4.12 doth not signifie as it is transtated gathering or converting the Saints But it signifieth the joyning of them as you may see Gal. 6.1 the mending of any thinge Mat. 4.21 Lastly how can you or any man prove to me out of the word that you convert soules by your ministerie men that are converted are converted to the true faith which is one which true faith is only in the true Church which is the body Christ which is but one Eph. 4.4.5.6 But your Church is not true therfor your faith is not true therfor you convert none to the true faith which Gods word doth declare vnto vs I confesse that ther are thousands which I am perswaded aperteyne to the Lords election but which they be in particular I certainly know not I hope wel of you manie more that I know Now that your faith is not true I prove thus They which beleve not Christ to be their King or if they know him to be ther King do not submit to his Kingdom have not the true saith Luk. 19.27 But none of you in your assemblies beleeve Christ to be your King or if ye do yeeld not to his Kingdome which is his visible Church the ordinances therof seing you mingle with al the profane in the Land reject his Officers submit to the Prelates vnlawful authoritie Ecclesiastical neglect his lawes statutes Iudgements viz the censures of admonition excommunication Secondly you say you have a true ministeri 1. bicause God hath sent you bicause he hath given you giftes 2. you are allowed to exercise your gifts by some approved there vnto 3. your gifts are approved by your people among whom you administer this is the some of your reason where vnto I answere many thinges first to your first point 1. That God sendeth none ordinarily but those whome the true Church sendeth but your is not the true Church as is proved therfor God sendeth you not seing you are not sent by the true Church which you have not againe it doth not follow that bicause you have giftes that therfor you are sent for ther be among the Popish Preists men that have excellent gifts yet you wil not say they are sent so among the common civill lawyers ther are men that have giftes yet you cannot say they are sent Lastly if you be sent of God how is it that contrarie to the L. commaundement you keepe silence when the Prelates silence you For if God hath sent you who can forbid you 2. To your second point I answere thus viz 1. that the allowance you have is not sufficient for the true Church must doth can only give sufficient allowance or powre to her Officers which you have not 2. The Prelates which are in vnlawful Ecclesiastical authoritie can give no sufficient authoritie or allowance to true Ministers for can good come from evill 3. if you say you have your authoritie from the civil State I answere the civil State can not give Ecclesiastical authoritie 4. if you chalenge your powre from some Presbyterie of Ministers I answer they must shew that they have powre to give you authoritie 3. I say as before that every particular visible Church which is a communion of Saints and faithful people hath al powre Ecclesiastical with in it selfe which your parishes can not have bicause they are confused rowtes mingle mangles of al sortes cages to hold every vncleane and hateful bird Apoc. 18.2 contrarie to Deut. 14.2.3.11.12 vnequally equally yoaked contrarie to the Type Deuter. 22. to And contrarie to the truth 2. Corinth 6.14 and therefore it is impossible that you should have a true callinge from them who have no powre of Christ given them to enjoy the covenant promises Christ or any meanes to partake Christ as is already proved vnto you so your third point all so falleth to the ground Breefly therefore to discover vnto you the true callinge which is onely one for there is onely one true way for Officers to enter into Office viz that way which is taught by Christ for he is the dore into the Shepefold and whosoever climeth vp any other way Christ saith is a these and a robber Iohn 10.1.7.9 the true calling is this 1. A company of faithful people 2. must be Seperate from all wicked men 3. joyned together into covenant to enjoy all Gods ordinances 4. assembled with fasting and prayer 5. must chose out from among themselves one or more able persons 6. must be approved according to the rules mentioned by the Apostle 1. Timoth. 3. and afterward 7. charged commaunded to administer faith fully that this is so these places witnes Roman 1.7 1 Corinth 1.2 Ephes 1.4 Apocal. 17.14 and 15.3 Apocal. 18.4 2. Corinth 6.17 Ephes 5.7 Deuter 29.9.13 Iosua 24.25 Act. 3.25 Heb. 8.10 Act. 13.2.3 and 14.23 6.5.1 Tim. 3.10 Tit. 1.6.9.1 Tim. 6.3.14 Act. 20.28 1. Pet 5.1.3.4 Now Mr. S. shew mee such a Church and such a Ministerie in any parish Church in England and I will acknowledg it a true Church and that ministerie a true ministerie but if you cannot shew it give vs leave to doe as wee â—oe accordinge to that which wee have shewed you warrant for our of the word And now I pray you examine these things carefully and thinke it not labour lost to search and weigh seriously the Scriptures by mee quoted in every point Know that the Lord will not be served with halves he will have all or none I confesse you have much good doctrine among you yea you have the doctrine of Christs Preisthood pure in his Sacrifice and intercession but you have vtterly cast of his Kingdome which as the true constitution of the visible Church in the true causes essentiall thereof viz 1. the true matter which are only Saints 2. the true forme which is the covenant to walke in al Gods wayes 3. The true essential properties which is the powre of our Lord Iesus Christ especially in binding and losing without which it is impossible for the Church to continue a Holy communion among themselves al this you want and therefore you in the assemblies deny Christ the King to reigne over you you have rejected Christs Testament for his Testament is that which he hath purchased with his blood as you may see 1. Corinth 14.25 Heb. 10.29 For the Old Testament was abolished by the blood of his crosse and the new Testament succeded in established in stead thereof by his blood for Christ by his Preisthood obteyned his Kingdome now in his Kingdom dispenceth the vertue of his Preishood to his subjects Mr. S. I pray you consider carefully these things I know they are the vndoubted most cleare evident truth of Gods word that