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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A33222	Several captious queries concerning the English Reformation first proposed by Dean Manby (an Irish convert) in Latin, and afterwards by T.W. in English, briefly and fully answered by Dr. Clagett.	Clagett, William, 1646-1688.	1688 (1688)	Wing C4399; ESTC R27257	28,726	51

before him had miserably failed of carrying on the Succession of True Doctrin Now I will be content in this Matter to make you the Judge that if they are not lawful Pastors who want succession of Doctrin whether the unlawful ones be those who broke the Succession of it at first or those that restored it afterwards And because I will not tye you too severely to your own words I will abate the word lawful and suffer you to put Good Pastors instead of it For I think that Orders and Regularity of Episcopal Succession will suffice to make them lawful Bishops who for corrupting the Doctrin of the Church shall not be allowed to be Good ones I have one word more to say and then you shall speak You have heard I perceive from some of your Friends that the Archbishops of Canterbury for Nine Ages before Cranmer were Roman Chtholicks Now their meaning was that all the Archbishops of Canterbury even from the time of Gregory the Great that sent Austin hither were just such believers as those whom you now call Roman Catholicks But tho' you know not these Matters and it may be not they neither yet I can assure you that very many of your Doctrins and Practices are not only different from but contrary to what was believed and done in Pope Gregories days which you shall find made out very clearly to your hands in the Vindication of the Answer to some late Paper p. 72. c. So that there has been sad tampering with Christianity since his time and when first the Archbishops of Canterbury became your Roman Catholicks they themselves interrupted the Succession of Primitive and Antient Doctrin Take good notice of the place I refer you to in that excellent Book now mentioned and if you improve by it as you ought I may direct you hereafter where to find that the Corrupt Doctrins of your Church were of a much later date than for you to talk as you do of Nine Ages before Cranmer Sect. 16 Quer. Whether that be a True Church that wants Lawful Pastors And whether Pastors not Lawful and True can be said to have true Sacraments If not then is it not better to Communicate under One Kind with Catholicks than under No Kind with Reformers Answ But if we have Lawful and True Pastors as for any thing that you have hitherto said nay that you or any of your Party can say we are sure that we have then this Query comes in too soon And therefore at present the Question stands thus Whether it is not better to Communicate under Both kinds with the Real Catholicks than under One Kind only with the Pretended Ones But if you think fit to Renew the Query I would advise you to Mend it a little against the next time and not by any means to question the Validity of our Sacraments so crudely as you do for you will find that your own Church does not presume to Baptize those over again which go from us to you And it were not amiss if you would tell us more distinctly what you mean by Lawful Pastors whether you oppose them only to such of the Validity of whose Orders we have no good assurance or who also came into their Cures by Simony or who are Schismatical Pastors and the like for these can hardly be said to be Lawful Pastors Make your Query plain and I have a plain Answer for you which perhaps you little think of Sect. 17 Quer. Whether the XXXIX Articles of the Church of England be Articles of Faith yea or no If not then no body is bound to believe them under pain of Damnation If they be then hath the Church of England invented New Articles of Faith besides those XII instituted by Christ and his Apostles Answ In Return to this Query I shall deal as plainly with you as you could wish Many of the Articles of the Church of England are Doctrins opposed to the Errors and Innovations which your Church holds for Articles of Faith. Now as to these Doctrins we do not Esteem them in the same rank with the Articles of Faith because they are not at all times necessary to be propounded to all in order to their Salvation but they are necessary to be taught the Faithful in these Parts of Christendom to secure them from the Contagion of those Errors you have brought into the Church For instance if you had not set up the Doctrine and Practice of Praying to the Saints there had been no need at all of a Determination of this Church against it nor had it been necessary to instruct our People that the Saints are not to be Prayed unto Had not Your Church invented the Article of Transubstantiation Ours had not opposed a contrary Article to it Now as to the Doctrine of these and the like Articles of our Church we do not say that it is in itself Necessary but only Profitable But it is necessary for us to Teach it because as you have ordered Matters to be Ignorant thereof is very Dangerous the contrary Errors being Damnable For you are strangely mistaken if you think that no Error is damnable but the direct denial of some Truth which is always necessary to be propounded to all that is of an Article of Faith strictly and properly so called And I can assure you that the best Divines of your own Church are of another mind There is therefore no room left for your Second Supposition That if they be Articles of Faith then hath the Church of England invented New Articles of Faith c. But I wonder not a little at the boldness of your Inference while with no better colour for it you would draw us in to be suspected of that which yourselves are so notoriously guilty of i. e. of making New Articles of Faith. For had not you done so we should have had no occasion to Oppose your Inventions so vigorously as we have done nor you any colour to Insinuate as if we had added to the Creed I would fain know of you that if False Doctrins which do not directly contradict the Articles of the Creed should be thrust into the Creed by one part of the Church whether another should be afraid to contradict them for fear of being accused of adding the contrary Propositions to the Creed too though it be evident that they do it not but only take care to keep the Old Faith pure from New Doctrines and the Minds of the Faithful uncorrupted with False Doctrines If you should think fit to say so I must then ask you Whether Ten Thousand Foolish and False nay and Dangerous Opinions might not by some or others be tack'd to the Ancient Creeds and yet the rest of the Christian World should not dare to determine precisely against them And yet I must tell you That if you have not capacity enough to distinguish between rejecting Errors on the one side and adding to the Articles of the Creed on the other I

without the least liberty of Paraphrase and word for word excepting only the addition of the necessary expletives to express an Interrogation in English But what do I trouble my self to find out some colour of a Fault when you set me to seek one The place concerns no manner of Controvssie between us And I am apt to think that you borrowed it out of a Book that was false printed and then had not judgment enough to correct it At last we have it seems corrupted Exod. 20.4 by putting the words Graven Image in the Second Commandment for is not that it you would have And pray why should we not do so since not only the Hebrew (c) 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 but even your own Vulgar has the same which you here confess to be Non facies tibi sculptile For what is a Graven Thing here but a Graven Image Oh but this word Sculptile is by the Seventy Interpreters translated Idol Thou hast a lucky Brain Belike then the Seventy had the Vurgar Latin before them and followed it in this place To what purpose is it to spend time upon such stuff as this Look Sir this is the short of the Business the Septuagints Translation is Good and the Vulgar Translation is Good and that because it will hold good to the Worlds end that Graven Images or any likenesses whatever that are worshiped are Idols not excepting the Picture of our Saviour if we had it which I do not say in hatred of the Picture of our Saviour unless I must needs hate every thing which I do not worship But I know no necessity of that for I am far enough from worshipping your own self and yet I cannot find in my heart to hate you But I wish you well and shall therefore give you a little good advice Do not for the future as I hinted to you before meddle with Kings or Queens Cardinals Archbihops or Noblemen for they are Persons too high for you nor with the Septuagint or the comparing of Originals and Translations as I add now for these are things too high for you too And for the same Reason meddle no more between Churches trouble your Head no more about Questions relating to Holy Orders Mission Succession and the Power of Reformation Give not your self to Controversies and above all things write no more Queries And if this distemper be once cured I 'll not despair but that your Ingenuity may direct you to an Imployment more suitable to your capacity so that you may be able to give a tolerable Account of the Time. Farewel FINIS ERRATA PAge 14. line 3. for using read use●● P. 15. l. 8 f. appears r. approves P. 45. l. 2. f. due r. sub●●● P. 47. l. last f. the r. your Books lately Printed for James Adamson I. Mr. Chillingworth's Book called The Religion of Protestants a safe way to Salvation made more generally useful by omitting Personal Contests but inserting whatsoever concerns the common Cause of Protestants or defends the Church of England with an exact Table of Contents and an Addition of some genuine Pieces of Mr. Chillingworth's never before printed viz. against the Infallibility of the Roman Church Transubstantiation Tradition c. And an Account of what moved the Author to turn Papist with his Confutation of the said Morives Quarto II. Two Discourses of Purgatory and Prayers for the Dead in Quarto III. The Present State of the Controversie between the Church of England and the Church of Rome Or an Account 〈◊〉 the Books written on both sides in a Letter to a ●●end in Quarto IV. A Treatise of the Celibacy of the Clergy wherein its Rise and Progress are Historically considered in Quarto V. Clementis Epistolae duae ad Corinthos Interpretibus Patricio J●●lio Gothifredo Vandelino Joh. Bapt. Cotele●io Recensuit notarum spicilegium adjecil Paulus 〈◊〉 ●●esius Bibliothecae Lambethanae curator Accedit T●● Brunonici Windsoriensis discertatio de Therapeutis Philonis His subnexae sunt Epistolae aliquot singulares vel nunc primum editae vel non ita facilè obviae in Quato VI. The Travels of Monsieur de Thevenot into the Levant in Three Parts viz. 1. Into Turky 2. Persia 3. The East Indies in Folio