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church_n must_v judge_v be_v the_o thing_n where_o in_o according_a to_o he_o the_o church_n be_v free_a from_o error_n but_o thing_n in_o controversy_n be_v those_o according_a to_o he_o whereof_o the_o church_n must_v judge_v see_v what_o he_o say_v gag_n p._n 13._o truth_n be_v manifest_a and_o confess_v more_o obscure_a and_o involve_a and_o p._n 14._o in_o controvert_v matter_n if_o a_o question_n be_v move_v the_o church_n must_v decide_v and_o settle_v that_o doubt_n in_o plainâ—_n case_n no_o decide_v judge_n shall_v need_v but_o such_o as_o be_v ambiguous_a must_v be_v determine_v by_o the_o judge_n etc._n etc._n therefore_o according_a to_o he_o in_o thing_n in_o controversy_n the_o church_n be_v free_a from_o error_n and_o the_o reason_n hereof_o for_o a_o full_a explication_n of_o this_o matter_n he_o lay_v down_o in_o his_o appeal_v p._n 160._o in_o these_o word_n there_o be_v a_o rule_n of_o faith_n we_o acknowledge_v it_o thing_n that_o be_v straight_o and_o direct_v 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his_o proof_n for_o it_o we_o find_v set_v down_o in_o his_o appeal_v p._n 123._o take_v from_o two_o place_n of_o scripture_n the_o former_a on_o this_o wise_a they_o to_o who_o the_o spirit_n be_v promise_v to_o lead_v they_o into_o all_o truth_n joh._n 16._o 13._o they_o can_v in_o give_v sentence_n of_o a_o divinity_n question_n vary_v from_o the_o scripture_n but_o to_o a_o council_n true_o general_a the_o spirit_n be_v promise_v to_o lead_v they_o into_o all_o truth_n joh._n 16._o 13._o therefore_o a_o council_n true_o general_a in_o give_v sentence_n of_o a_o divinitte_v question_n can_v vary_v from_o the_o scripture_n i_o answer_v there_o be_v no_o whole_a part_n in_o this_o argument_n not_o in_o the_o proposition_n which_o suppose_v that_o these_o word_n joh._n 16._o 13._o be_v speak_v to_o some_o which_o have_v a_o office_n to_o judge_n whether_o this_o or_o that_o sentence_n in_o divinity_n be_v agreeable_a to_o the_o scripture_n or_o not_o but_o this_o supposition_n be_v 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stamp_n and_o by_o it_o can_v show_v how_o a_o church_n may_v be_v a_o run_v away_o from_o christ_n and_o a_o household_n servant_n unto_o christ_n how_o that_o church_n which_o reject_v christ_n law_n kingdom_n &_o sceptre_n and_o in_o that_o respect_n be_v a_o rebel_n do_v also_o at_o the_o same_o instant_n retain_v obey_v and_o yield_v subjection_n unto_o christ_n his_o kingdom_n and_o sceptre_n and_o this_o he_o must_v do_v or_o else_o confess_v what_o he_o build_v in_o one_o place_n he_o destroy_v in_o another_o this_o he_o can_v do_v because_o christ_n his_o kingdom_n nor_o his_o sceptre_n can_v be_v divide_v into_o part_n nor_o the_o church_n extend_v thereunto_o as_o unto_o part_n neither_o can_v the_o doctrine_n of_o christ_n be_v so_o object_v unto_o the_o faith_n and_o obedience_n of_o the_o church_n as_o that_o it_o may_v reject_v some_o part_n thereof_o and_o believe_v other_o some_o but_o it_o must_v obey_v and_o believe_v every_o part_n thereof_o actual_o and_o intentional_o or_o nonâ—_n at_o all_o there_o be_v one_o god_n one_o faith_n one_o hope_n one_o baptism_n not_o devide_v but_o compose_v christ_n in_o his_o member_n and_o profession_n be_v his_o own_o word_n appeal_v p._n 43._o therefore_o by_o his_o own_o authority_n i_o may_v safe_o conclude_v against_o his_o own_o proposition_n now_o in_o question_n the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v not_o a_o true_a church_n bishop_n carleton_n write_v thus_o in_o his_o book_n call_v direction_n to_o know_v the_o true_a church_n the_o church_n of_o rome_n which_o now_o be_v be_v not_o the_o true_a church_n of_o christ_n p._n 78._o &_o 92._o the_o church_n of_o rome_n as_o now_o it_o stand_v have_v no_o communion_n with_o the_o catholic_a church_n p._n 88_o &_o 100_o the_o present_a church_n of_o rome_n be_v no_o church_n of_o christ_n but_o a_o assembly_n i_o say_v not_o of_o heretic_n but_o of_o far_o worse_a and_o more_o dangerous_a than_o any_o heretic_n heretofore_o have_v be_v p._n 65._o touch_v the_o danger_n that_o they_o be_v in_o which_o have_v communion_n with_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n in_o the_o popish_a doctrine_n and_o the_o receiver_n thereof_o he_o write_v thus_o these_o trap_n be_v lay_v with_o great_a subtlety_n to_o enthral_v their_o soul_n let_v they_o at_o least_o that_o be_v seduce_v lift_v up_o their_o eye_n and_o see_v the_o snare_n that_o be_v provide_v to_o catch_v they_o and_o behold_v the_o danger_n that_o be_v before_o they_o if_o they_o will_v wilful_o fall_v into_o these_o snare_n then_o may_v they_o blame_v themselves_o for_o their_o own_o destruction_n p._n 63._o &_o 64._o the_o damage_n redound_v to_o the_o destruction_n of_o their_o soul_n this_o thing_n the_o simple_a people_n ought_v more_o careful_o to_o look_v to_o more_o exact_o to_o prevent_v than_o any_o damage_n that_o can_v grow_v in_o their_o worldly_a state_n p._n 43._o the_o mean_n to_o be_v save_v be_v now_o take_v away_o by_o these_o that_o be_v now_o in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n p._n 84._o which_o testimony_n as_o it_o be_v free_a from_o all_o exception_n that_o may_v any_o way_n disable_v it_o so_o also_o it_o carry_v with_o it_o many_o circumstance_n of_o credit_n especial_o to_o mr_n montague_n for_o he_o say_v appeal_n p._n 69._o sometime_o he_o be_v his_o worthy_a friend_n and_o acquaintance_n since_o be_v his_o reverend_a and_o much_o reverence_v diocesan_n his_o superior_a in_o learning_n and_o authority_n a_o thing_n much_o urge_v by_o himself_o appeal_n p._n 28._o unto_o all_o man_n i_o find_v these_o circumstance_n yield_v credit_n unto_o he_o our_o church_n and_o state_n do_v take_v knowledge_n of_o he_o for_o learning_n and_o virtue_n for_o it_o employ_v he_o for_o our_o church_n in_o the_o synod_n of_o dort_n and_o that_o as_o the_o principal_a of_o our_o divine_n that_o be_v send_v thither_o be_v mr_n montague_n his_o own_o word_n appeal_n p._n 69._o since_o that_o our_o church_n have_v advance_v he_o unto_o diocesan_n authority_n last_o his_o testimony_n agree_v full_o with_o the_o testimony_n of_o bishop_n jewel_n set_v down_o before_o who_o doctrine_n be_v indeed_o the_o doctrine_n of_o our_o church_n the_o book_n itself_o be_v dedicate_v unto_o his_o majesty_n that_o now_o be_v and_o thereby_o have_v a_o royal_a confirmation_n and_o protection_n but_o which_o be_v most_o of_o all_o this_o testimony_n be_v commend_v by_o clear_a and_o evident_a demonstration_n which_o out_o of_o the_o say_a book_n be_v thus_o to_o be_v frame_v every_o particular_a assembly_n that_o hold_v not_o unity_n with_o the_o catholic_a church_n be_v no_o true_a church_n of_o christ_n but_o a_o assembly_n of_o heretic_n p._n 5._o for_o the_o church_n be_v but_o one_o not_o two_o nor_o many_o p._n 4._o but_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n have_v break_v off_o this_o unity_n with_o the_o catholic_a church_n p._n 5._o therefore_o the_o present_a church_n of_o rome_n be_v no_o church_n of_o christ_n but_o a_o assembly_n of_o heretic_n p._n 65._o the_o assumption_n of_o this_o argument_n he_o prove_v thus_o the_o church_n be_v one_o 1._o by_o the_o unity_n of_o the_o body_n 2._o by_o the_o unity_n of_o the_o head_n 3._o by_o the_o unity_n of_o the_o spirit_n 4._o by_o the_o unity_n of_o faith_n p._n 6._o but_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n do_v not_o hold_v the_o unity_n by_o the_o body_n p._n 8._o nor_o the_o unity_n of_o the_o head_n p._n 13._o nor_o the_o unity_n of_o the_o spirit_n p._n 19_o nor_o the_o unity_n of_o faith_n p._n 22._o therefore_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n hold_v not_o unity_n with_o the_o catholic_a church_n although_o all_o those_o be_v necessary_o require_v to_o prove_v a_o church_n to_o hold_v unity_n with_o the_o catholic_a church_n as_o he_o say_v p._n 6._o &_o he_o bring_v proof_n that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n hold_v not_o unity_n in_o any_o one_o of_o they_o in_o the_o several_a place_n which_o i_o have_v quote_v yet_o i_o will_v content_v myself_o to_o bring_v his_o proof_n for_o the_o last_o because_o as_o he_o true_o also_o say_v where_o one_o of_o they_o be_v find_v all_o of_o they_o be_v find_v p._n 7._o and_o contrariwise_o his_o proof_n for_o the_o last_o stand_v thus_o they_o that_o hold_v the_o unity_n of_o faith_n with_o the_o catholic_a church_n they_o have_v the_o same_o rule_n of_o faith_n with_o the_o catholic_a church_n p._n 34._o &_o 39_o for_o the_o faith_n of_o the_o church_n be_v say_v to_o be_v one_o because_o the_o rule_n of_o faith_n be_v one_o and_o the_o same_o from_o the_o begin_n of_o the_o church_n to_o the_o end_n p._n â—4_n but_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n hold_v not_o but_o have_v change_v that_o rule_n of_o faith_n p._n 32._o &_o 49._o for_o whereas_o the_o rule_n of_o faith_n be_v ever_o confess_v to_o be_v in_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o scripture_n now_o in_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n unwritten_a tradition_n be_v take_v into_o the_o rule_n of_o faith_n and_o so_o they_o teach_v that_o the_o whole_a rule_n be_v in_o the_o scripture_n and_o 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