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that_o it_o be_v man_n disputation_n which_o occasion_v all_o these_o question_n on_o the_o subject_a of_o the_o eucharist_n or_o discover_v these_o consequence_n we_o speak_v of_o mr._n arnaud_n will_v fain_o persuade_v we_o to_o it_o but_o we_o know_v the_o contrary_a and_o that_o it_o be_v the_o very_a doctrine_n itself_o of_o transubstantiation_n which_o have_v produce_v they_o for_o they_o take_v their_o birth_n from_o what_o our_o eye_n see_v and_o hand_n touch_v and_o experience_n which_o can_v but_o be_v acknowledge_v in_o effect_n they_o be_v to_o be_v find_v more_o among_o the_o schoolman_n than_o controvertist_n more_o among_o author_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n than_o protestant_n there_o be_v so_o great_a absurdity_n in_o say_v the_o greek_n be_v ignorant_a of_o the_o consequence_n of_o the_o doctrine_n of_o transubstantiation_n suppose_v they_o believe_v it_o that_o mr._n arnaud_n seem_v to_o be_v ashamed_a to_o maintain_v it_o to_o the_o end_n 62._o ibid._n pag._n 62._o he_o turn_v himself_o on_o another_o side_n and_o tell_v we_o that_o it_o be_v the_o docility_n of_o the_o faith_n of_o the_o greek_n which_o will_v not_o permit_v they_o to_o behold_v these_o difficulty_n but_o this_o be_v very_o absurd_o answer_v again_o for_o be_v it_o thus_o the_o greek_n themselves_o will_v at_o least_o tell_v we_o something_o of_o it_o i_o mean_v they_o will_v tell_v we_o themselves_o in_o some_o sort_n that_o they_o know_v well_o all_o these_o consequence_n and_o be_v not_o so_o stupid_a but_o that_o they_o see_v such_o and_o such_o question_n which_o arise_v from_o the_o conversion_n of_o the_o substance_n but_o that_o they_o behold_v they_o as_o a_o abyss_n which_o can_v be_v fathom_v or_o to_o use_v mr._n arnaud_n eloquent_a expression_n that_o they_o stifle_v and_o ibid._n ibid._n drown_v all_o humane_a thought_n in_o the_o absolute_a certainty_n of_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o infallible_a authority_n of_o his_o church_n they_o will_v give_v some_o reason_n for_o their_o silence_n and_o endeavour_v to_o hinder_v its_o be_v interpret_v in_o a_o ill_a sense_n they_o will_v instruct_v their_o people_n in_o the_o same_o modesty_n and_o docility_n and_o observe_v that_o their_o conduct_n in_o this_o particular_a be_v more_o discreet_a than_o that_o of_o the_o latin_n and_o this_o be_v what_o the_o greek_n will_v do_v do_v they_o believe_v transubstantiation_n after_o this_o gentle_a and_o quiet_a manner_n mr._n arnaud_n attribute_n to_o they_o yet_o do_v they_o not_o so_o much_o as_o mention_v these_o consequence_n or_o difficulty_n they_o take_v no_o notice_n of_o their_o own_o silence_n in_o this_o respect_n but_o mr._n arnaud_n speak_v for_o they_o without_o any_o call_n or_o order_n from_o they_o he_o tell_v we_o his_o conception_n and_o those_o of_o ernulphus_n a_o english_a bishop_n of_o the_o twelve_o century_n but_o not_o a_o word_n of_o the_o greek_n the_o greek_n be_v in_o such_o a_o absolute_a silence_n on_o this_o subject_a that_o this_o silence_n can_v come_v from_o any_o other_o cause_n than_o the_o nature_n of_o their_o doctrine_n which_o not_o have_v the_o consequence_n of_o transubstantiation_n do_v no_o way_n oblige_v they_o to_o take_v notice_n of_o these_o same_o consequence_n and_o thus_o far_o i_o think_v my_o argument_n may_v pass_v for_o good_a in_o the_o opinion_n of_o those_o people_n that_o understand_v reason_n yet_o mr._n arnaud_n will_v have_v this_o to_o be_v 59_o ibid._n pag._n 59_o mere_a folly_n and_o extravagancy_n and_o to_o show_v it_o to_o be_v so_o he_o tell_v we_o that_o reason_n itself_o show_v we_o we_o must_v not_o disow_v certain_a and_o undoubted_a truth_n under_o pretence_n they_o appear_v contrary_a among_o themselves_o on_o weak_a conjecture_n but_o the_o certainty_n of_o these_o truth_n shall_v make_v we_o conclude_v touch_v the_o falsity_n of_o these_o reason_n and_o pretend_a contrariety_n it_o be_v add_v he_o as_o certain_a a_o truth_n as_o any_o thing_n 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because_o the_o greek_n do_v believe_v transubstantiation_n and_o that_o two_o truth_n can_v be_v contradictory_n it_o cost_v little_a to_o make_v such_o kind_n of_o answer_n and_o it_o cost_v no_o more_o to_o tell_v he_o that_o if_o it_o be_v a_o certain_a truth_n as_o he_o affirm_v it_o be_v that_o the_o greek_n believe_v the_o conversion_n of_o substance_n he_o will_v have_v no_o need_n to_o trouble_v himself_o to_o answer_v my_o argument_n for_o the_o question_n be_v decide_v there_o will_v be_v nothing_o remain_v upon_o this_o account_n betwixt_o we_o i_o believe_v i_o establish_v the_o negative_a which_o i_o defend_v a_o thousand_o time_n more_o solid_o than_o he_o have_v prove_v his_o affirmative_a but_o if_o i_o pretend_v to_o elude_v his_o argument_n by_o say_v i_o deny_v the_o consequence_n because_o the_o greek_n do_v not_o believe_v transubstantiation_n i_o shall_v be_v a_o impertinent_a disputer_n it_o seem_v to_o i_o i_o shall_v
to_o my_o own_o part_n believe_v as_o i_o do_v that_o the_o world_n do_v not_o much_o concern_v itself_o whether_o i_o be_o diligent_a or_o lazy_a i_o shall_v not_o make_v this_o a_o matter_n of_o debate_n only_o say_v that_o mr._n arnaud_n with_o all_o his_o read_n will_v be_v no_o less_o perplex_v than_o myself_o how_o negligent_a soever_o i_o be_o shall_v either_o of_o we_o be_v put_v upon_o the_o produce_v of_o the_o testimony_n of_o one_o single_a moscovite_n author_n that_o express_o mention_n transubstantiation_n either_o one_o way_n or_o other_o if_o then_o by_o real_a proof_n he_o mean_v passage_n of_o the_o moscovite_n themselves_o i_o beg_v of_o he_o to_o show_v i_o who_o be_v the_o author_n of_o this_o nation_n that_o have_v treat_v of_o the_o mystery_n of_o christian_a religion_n for_o except_v the_o letter_n of_o john_n the_o metropolitain_n of_o moscou_n which_o sigismond_n do_v herberstein_n have_v mosc_n sigism_n com._n rer_n mosc_n publish_v together_o with_o the_o canon_n of_o another_o john_n and_o the_o answer_n of_o niphon_n bishop_n of_o novograd_n i_o know_v none_o that_o have_v write_v about_o religion_n or_o any_o thing_n else_o and_o these_o three_o piece_n aforemention_v be_v but_o five_o page_n of_o paper_n in_o all_o but_o if_o by_o these_o real_a proof_n mr._n arnaud_n mean_v the_o testimony_n of_o those_o who_o have_v describe_v the_o religion_n of_o these_o people_n his_o complaint_n have_v no_o ground_n we_o have_v already_o tell_v he_o that_o traveller_n and_o those_o that_o make_v discourse_n of_o distant_a nation_n give_v we_o seldom_o any_o other_o than_o a_o general_a relation_n of_o their_o opinion_n without_o descend_v to_o particularize_v what_o they_o hold_v or_o reject_v so_o that_o there_o can_v be_v nothing_o certain_o conclude_v from_o the_o silence_n of_o these_o author_n it_o be_v to_o no_o purpose_n to_o say_v that_o in_o the_o comparison_n they_o make_v of_o religion_n it_o be_v always_o with_o the_o roman_n catholic_n religion_n that_o they_o compare_v all_o other_o and_o that_o 427._o lib._n 5._o c._n 1._o p._n 427._o in_o this_o comparison_n the_o principal_a difference_n be_v design_v to_o be_v mark_v out_o for_o suppose_v they_o all_o of_o they_o take_v this_o course_n it_o be_v certain_a they_o must_v reduce_v all_o these_o principal_a difference_n to_o those_o which_o spring_n from_o a_o express_a and_o actual_a opposition_n wherein_o on_o one_o hand_n the_o roman_a church_n profess_v to_o believe_v such_o a_o point_n and_o the_o church_n which_o be_v compare_v with_o it_o profess_v on_o the_o contrary_a to_o oppose_v and_o reject_v it_o so_o that_o we_o must_v not_o wonder_v if_o those_o that_o have_v discourse_v of_o the_o religion_n of_o the_o moscovite_n have_v observe_v that_o they_o hold_v as_o fabulous_a the_o fire_n of_o purgatory_n acknowledge_v not_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o pope_n communicate_v under_o both_o kind_n and_o give_v the_o communion_n to_o child_n and_o yet_o have_v not_o observe_v that_o they_o do_v not_o hold_v transubstantiation_n these_o point_n be_v open_o controvert_v between_o the_o greek_a church_n of_o which_o the_o moscovite_n make_v a_o part_n and_o the_o latin_a but_o that_o of_o transubstantiation_n be_v not_o so_o they_o do_v not_o teach_v it_o neither_o yet_o do_v they_o make_v thereof_o a_o point_n of_o controversy_n if_o there_o can_v be_v any_o advantage_n draw_v from_o the_o silence_n of_o these_o author_n it_o fall_v to_o i_o for_o be_v most_o of_o they_o roman_a catholic_n and_o know_v well_o the_o importance_n of_o this_o article_n and_o how_o great_o controvert_v in_o our_o western_a part_n there_o be_v no_o likelihood_n if_o they_o have_v find_v it_o hold_v establish_v and_o teach_v among_o the_o moscovite_n but_o they_o will_v remark_n as_o much_o on_o purpose_n to_o gratify_v in_o this_o the_o roman_a church_n and_o endeavour_v to_o clear_v it_o from_o the_o reproach_n of_o innovation_n neither_o must_v mr._n arnaud_n imagine_v that_o he_o be_v the_o only_a person_n that_o have_v in_o his_o eye_n the_o schismatical_a church_n for_o the_o defence_n of_o the_o controvert_v point_n in_o our_o europe_n these_o aforementioned_a author_n be_v not_o want_v to_o tell_v we_o of_o the_o devotion_n which_o these_o people_n have_v for_o image_n the_o worship_n they_o give_v their_o saint_n their_o prayer_n for_o the_o dead_a their_o fasting_n monk_n confession_n extreme_a unction_n and_o in_o a_o word_n of_o all_o particular_n wherein_o they_o be_v agree_v with_o the_o roman_a church_n and_o be_v contrary_a to_o the_o protestant_n how_o then_o come_v it_o to_o pass_v they_o have_v forget_v that_o of_o transubstantiation_n it_o be_v to_o no_o purpose_n for_o mr._n arnaud_n to_o say_v that_o they_o do_v not_o particular_o remark_n the_o article_n of_o the_o trinity_n the_o incarnation_n touch_v the_o death_n of_o christ_n nor_o the_o other_o in_o the_o creed_n for_o beside_o that_o this_o be_v not_o absolute_o true_a there_o be_v some_o of_o these_o author_n who_o declare_v the_o moscovite_n hold_v athanasius_n creed_n and_o the_o seven_o first_o council_n and_o consequent_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o trinity_n the_o incarnation_n etc._n etc._n beside_o this_o i_o say_v these_o article_n be_v not_o debate_v between_o the_o romanist_n and_o protestant_n as_o the_o other_o be_v and_o especial_o that_o of_o the_o conversion_n of_o substance_n but_o say_v mr._n arnaud_n we_o will_v show_v mr._n claude_n that_o they_o be_v not_o all_o of_o they_o silent_a on_o this_o point_n there_o be_v some_o that_o clear_o affirm_v the_o moscovite_n 426._o ibid._n p._n 426._o hold_v transubstantiation_n which_o we_o be_v to_o examine_v he_o tell_v we_o then_o that_o paulus_n jovius_n have_v observe_v they_o reject_v purgatory_n and_o disow_v the_o pope_n supremacy_n and_o follow_v the_o greek_n ceremony_n make_v a_o general_a conclusion_n concern_v all_o the_o other_o article_n that_o they_o hold_v the_o same_o as_o we_o do_v in_o caeteris_fw-la eadem_fw-la quae_fw-la a_o nobis_fw-la de_fw-fr religione_fw-la sentiuntur_fw-la constanâ—â—ssime_fw-la credunt_fw-la i_o think_v add_v mr._n arnaud_n that_o the_o real_a presence_n and_o transubstantiation_n be_v article_n 428._o p._n 428._o important_a enough_o to_o be_v comprehend_v under_o this_o general_a proposition_n be_v this_o a_o right_a consequence_n it_o will_v likewise_o follow_v hence_o that_o the_o moscovite_n priest_n do_v not_o marry_v no_o more_o than_o those_o of_o the_o latin_n for_o paulus_n jovius_n say_v nothing_o of_o that_o it_o will_v follow_v they_o baptize_v not_o with_o three_o immersion_n and_o hold_v all_o other_o baptism_n to_o be_v of_o none_o effect_v for_o paulus_n jovius_n do_v not_o remark_n this_o neither_o do_v he_o any_o more_o take_v notice_n that_o they_o reject_v the_o confirmation_n of_o a_o bishop_n hold_v fast_v on_o saturday_n to_o be_v a_o great_a crime_n abhor_v the_o eat_n of_o creature_n strangle_v and_o yet_o these_o article_n be_v as_o important_a in_o respect_n of_o the_o moscovite_n as_o any_o other_o see_v they_o make_v they_o principal_a controversy_n not_o be_v able_a to_o bear_v with_o they_o that_o be_v of_o contrary_a opinion_n mr._n arnaud_n must_v not_o be_v so_o quick_a at_o draw_v consequence_n or_o imagine_v that_o paulus_n jovius_n have_v be_v so_o exact_a in_o all_o that_o mosc_n paul_n jovius_n com._n the_o legate_n mosc_n he_o have_v write_v concern_v the_o moscovite_n for_o he_o tell_v we_o they_o have_v st._n ambrose_n work_n st._n augustine_n st._n jerom_n where_o st._n gregory_n translate_v into_o the_o sclavonian_a tongue_n and_o high_o respect_v they_o and_o possevin_n the_o jesuit_n tell_v we_o that_o have_v make_v a_o exact_a inquiry_n into_o this_o particular_a he_o can_v find_v no_o such_o thing_n neither_o believe_v the_o name_n of_o these_o author_n be_v know_v to_o mosc_n possevin_n com._n 1._o de_fw-fr reb_n mosc_n these_o people_n although_o those_o of_o st._n ambrose_n and_o gregory_n may_v be_v see_v in_o their_o calendar_n and_o that_o at_o the_o prince_n court_n he_o can_v hear_v nothing_o of_o this_o sacranus_fw-la a_o cannon_n of_o cracovia_n add_v mr._n arnaud_n who_o give_v we_o the_o large_a catalogue_n he_o can_v of_o the_o error_n of_o the_o moscovite_n say_v touch_v the_o eigth_n error_n that_o according_a to_o the_o moscovite_n the_o body_n of_o our_o saviour_n 431._o lib._n 5._o c._n 1._o p._n 431._o christ_n can_v be_v consecrate_a with_o azyme_n and_o on_o the_o sixteenth_o error_n that_o they_o cut_v a_o morsel_n of_o the_o bread_n prepare_v for_o the_o sacrifice_n into_o the_o form_n of_o a_o triangle_n and_o consecrate_v it_o to_o make_v thereof_o the_o body_n of_o our_o saviour_n christ_n in_o corpus_fw-la christi_fw-la consecrant_fw-la and_o in_o the_o eighteen_o error_n consecrant_fw-la panem_fw-la in_o corpus_fw-la christi_fw-la it_o be_v certain_a mr._n arnaud_n make_v a_o small_a 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greek_n schismatic_n of_o two_o sort_n the_o one_o more_o rigid_a the_o other_o less_o 1._o 87_o greek_n do_v not_o believe_v the_o real_a presence_n of_o the_o latin_n 1._o 112._o 234_o greek_n reject_v the_o term_n of_o transubstantiation_n 1._o 114_o greek_a apostate_n cenjure_v for_o put_v into_o his_o catechism_n the_o word_n transubstantiation_n 1._o 115_o greek_n must_v use_v the_o term_n of_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d if_o they_o believe_v the_o substantial_a conversion_n 1._o 115._o &_o seq_n greek_n in_o their_o reunion_n have_v change_v the_o term_n of_o the_o latin_n 1._o 224_o &_o seq_fw-la greek_n of_o the_o council_n of_o florence_n hold_v not_o transubstantiation_n 1._o 127_o greek_n proselyte_n of_o the_o latin_n express_v themselves_o different_o when_o convert_v 1._o 128_o greek_n only_o receive_v the_o seven_o first_o council_n 1._o 122_o greek_n say_v our_o saviour_n be_v present_a in_o the_o book_n of_o the_o gospel_n 1._o 131_o greek_n speak_v of_o the_o bread_n and_o wine_n before_o the_o consecration_n in_o the_o same_o manner_n as_o aster_n 1._o 131_o greek_n prostrate_v themselves_o to_o the_o bread_n and_o wine_n before_o they_o be_v consecrate_v 1._o 132_o greek_n make_v several_a particle_n 132_o greek_n call_v the_o particle_n of_o the_o body_n of_o the_o virgin_n the_o body_n of_o s._n nicolas_n etc._n etc._n 1._o 131_o greek_n join_v the_o small_a particle_n with_o the_o great_a one_o 1._o 131_o greek_n say_v that_o these_o particle_n participate_v of_o our_o lord_n body_n and_o blood_n 1_o 136_o greek_n only_o establish_v a_o spiritual_a communion_n with_o jesus_n christ_n 1._o 148_o greek_n dispute_v on_o the_o azym_n suppose_v the_o eucharist_n to_o be_v real_a bread_n 1._o 169_o greek_n neglect_v the_o substance_n of_o the_o sacrament_n 1._o 172_o greek_n teach_v not_o the_o necessary_a consequence_n of_o transubstantiation_n nor_o the_o real_a presence_n 1._o 185_o greek_n do_v not_o believe_v there_o be_v make_v any_o impression_n of_o the_o physical_a form_n of_o the_o body_n of_o jesus_n christ_n on_o the_o bread_n 1._o 231_o greek_n prostrate_v themselves_o before_o the_o book_n of_o the_o gospel_n 1._o 158_o greek_n explain_v these_o word_n this_o be_v my_o body_n in_o a_o sense_n of_o virtue_n 1._o 307_o greek_n reject_v the_o apochrypha_n 1._o 280_o greek_n have_v nothing_o determinate_a among_o they_o touch_v the_o state_n of_o soul_n after_o death_n 1._o 209_o greek_n in_o their_o reunion_n at_o florence_n and_o elsewhere_o with_o the_o latin_n never_o pretend_v to_o receive_v their_o doctrine_n 1._o 287_o greek_n little_a solicitous_a about_o affair_n of_o religion_n 1._o 287_o greek_a bishop_n love_v not_o dispute_n 1._o 287_o greek_n content_v with_o maintain_v their_o doctrine_n without_o condemn_v those_o of_o the_o latin_n 1._o 287_o i._n jacobit_n believe_v that_o jesus_n christ_n be_v man_n only_o in_o appearance_n 2._o 17_o jacobit_n believe_v not_o transubstantiation_n nor_o the_o real_a presence_n 2._o 54_o jacobit_n reject_v auricular_a confession_n 1._o 282_o john_n le_fw-fr feure_n a_o fabulous_a author_n 2._o 9_o john_n the_o parisian_a maintain_v in_o the_o 14_o century_n that_o transubstantiation_n be_v not_o a_o article_n of_o faith_n 1._o 288_o jesus_n christ_n alone_o not_o the_o priest_n give_v in_o the_o communion_n his_o body_n and_o his_o blood_n 1._o 148_o jesus_n christ_n preach_v his_o gospel_n to_o the_o damn_a according_a to_o the_o greek_n 1._o 280_o infallibility_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n be_v a_o thing_n of_o which_o the_o ordinary_a sort_n of_o people_n can_v assure_v themselves_o 1._o 29_o infallibility_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n overthrow_v by_o the_o author_n of_o the_o perpetuity_n 1._o 53_o infallibility_n popular_a be_v a_o principle_n to_o be_v prove_v 1._o 54_o infallibility_n double_a 1._o 55_o invocation_n of_o saint_n reject_v by_o the_o greek_n in_o one_o sense_n 1._o 203_o judgement_n of_o the_o faculty_n of_o paris_n on_o the_o affair_n of_o john_n the_o parisian_a 1._o 289_o k._n knowledge_n distinct_a be_v take_v in_o two_o sense_n 2._o 168_o knowledge_n distinct_a and_o popular_a knowledge_n be_v not_o the_o same_o 2._o 170_o knowledge_n distinct_a and_o knowledge_n popular_a be_v not_o the_o same_o 2._o ibid._n l._n language_n double_a of_o mr._n arnaud_n on_o the_o subject_n of_o the_o eucharist_n refute_v 1._o 347._o &_o seq_n latin_v establish_v latin_a bishop_n in_o palestin_n and_o drive_v out_o the_o greek_a once_o 1._o 75_o latin_n constrain_v the_o greek_n to_o embrace_v their_o religion_n 1._o 77_o latin_n fill_v greece_n with_o inquisitor_n 1._o 78_o latin_n have_v do_v all_o they_o can_v to_o introduce_v transubstantiation_n among_o the_o eastern_a people_n 1._o 106_o latin_n in_o the_o reunion_n at_o the_o florentin_n council_n leave_v their_o usual_a expression_n 127_o latin_v great_o perplex_v touch_v the_o nourishment_n which_o our_o body_n receive_v in_o the_o eucharist_n 1._o 187_o latin_n cause_v their_o greek_a proselyte_n to_o profess_v the_o doctrine_n of_o transubstantiation_n 1._o ibid._n latin_n have_v never_o dispute_v with_o the_o greek_n about_o their_o general_a expression_n 1._o 290_o latin_n dread_v by_o the_o greek_n 1._o 285_o legate_n excommunicate_v the_o patriarch_n of_o constantinople_n 1._o 82_o liturgy_n greek_a denote_v the_o bread_n to_o be_v make_v the_o body_n of_o jesus_n christ_n in_o sanctification_n 1._o 140_o liturgy_n greek_a common_o term_v the_o eucharist_n bread_n 1._o 141_o liturgy_n greek_a direct_a prayer_n to_o our_o saviour_n in_o heaven_n after_o the_o consecration_n of_o the_o bread_n 1._o 142_o liturgy_n contain_v not_o one_o clause_n which_o denote_v the_o substantial_a presence_n 1._o 142_o m._n maronits_n believe_v neither_o transubstantiation_n nor_o the_o real_a presence_n before_o their_o union_n to_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n 2._o 52_o maronits_n very_a ignorant_a 1._o 69_o manuel_n comnenus_n greek_a emperor_n favour_v the_o latin_n 1._o 83_o matter_n subsist_v in_o the_o eucharist_n after_o consecration_n 2._o 90_o method_n lawful_a whereby_o to_o examine_v the_o controversy_n of_o the_o eucharist_n pref._n method_n of_o father_n maimbourg_n and_o novet_n compare_v ibid._n method_n of_o mr._n arnaud_n yield_v new_a advantage_n ibid._n method_n of_o the_o perpetuity_n four_o consideration_n thereon_o 1._o 5_o method_n of_o controversy_n ought_v to_o be_v ground_v on_o principle_n either_o grant_v by_o both_o side_n or_o well_o prove_v one_o 1._o 9_o method_n of_o prescription_n of_o the_o author_n of_o the_o perpetuity_n fruitless_a 1._o 26_o method_n of_o the_o perpetuity_n reduce_v we_o after_o many_o dispute_n to_o begin_v again_o 1._o 52_o michael_n paripanacius_n greek_a emperor_n favour_v the_o roman_a church_n 1._o 82_o paleologus_fw-la earnest_o labour_n for_o a_o reunion_n 1._o 84_o moscovite_n very_o ignorant_a 1._o 69_o moscovite_n have_v no_o preacher_n 2._o 2_o moscovite_n very_o superstitious_a 2._o ibid._n moscovite_n differ_v in_o many_o thing_n from_o the_o greek_n 2._o 3_o n._n nestorian_n very_o ignorant_a 1_o 69_o nestorian_n believe_v not_o transubstantiation_n etc._n etc._n 2._o 50_o nestorian_n use_v not_o auricular_a confession_n nor_o confirmation_n 1._o 282_o nisetas_n pectoratus_fw-la force_v to_o burn_v his_o book_n which_o he_o write_v against_o the_o latin_n 1._o 82_o o._n oriental_a part_n overspread_v with_o monk_n and_o emissary_n since_o the_o 11_o century_n 1._o 90_o odeâ—born_n a_o lutheran_n be_v deceive_v touch_v the_o adoration_n which_o the_o greek_n give_v the_o sacrament_n 1._o 163_o oriental_a people_n say_v that_o our_o saviour_n dip_v the_o bread_n which_o he_o give_v to_o judas_n to_o take_v off_o its_o consecration_n 2._o 52_o oriental_a people_n hold_v that_o the_o substance_n of_o the_o eucharist_n disperse_v itself_o immediate_o over_o all_o the_o part_n of_o our_o body_n 2._o 52_o oriental_a people_n say_v we_o must_v read_v this_o be_v the_o sacrament_n of_o my_o body_n 2._o 53_o p._n paisius_n