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A31043 The nonconformists vindicated from the abuses put upon them by Mr. [brace] Durel and Scrivener being some short animadversions on their books soon after they came forth : in two letters to a friend (who could not hitherto get them published) : containing some remarques upon the celebrated conference at Hampton-Court / by a country scholar. Barrett, William, 17th cent. 1679 (1679) Wing B915; ESTC R37068 137,221 250

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that_o private_a baptism_n shall_v be_v perform_v by_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o parish_n or_o in_o his_o absence_n by_o any_o other_o lawful_a minister_n that_o can_v be_v procure_v now_o any_o man_n will_v think_v lay_v person_n be_v not_o allow_v to_o baptise_v but_o dr._n heylin_n in_o his_o introduction_n to_o the_o life_n of_o archbishop_n laud_n page_n 27._o say_v that_o the_o alteration_n be_v great_a in_o sound_n than_o sense_n it_o be_v the_o opinion_n of_o many_o great_a clerk_n that_o any_o man_n in_o case_n of_o necessity_n that_o be_v extreme_a who_o can_v but_o pronounce_v the_o word_n of_o baptism_n may_v pass_v in_o the_o account_n and_o notion_n of_o a_o lawful_a minister_n a_o prodigious_a assertion_n for_o a_o turk_n or_o jew_n may_v pronounce_v the_o word_n of_o baptism_n be_v he_o a_o lawful_a minister_n of_o baptism_n do_v ever_o any_o that_o pretend_v to_o reverence_v the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n thus_o wrest_v her_o word_n but_o to_o return_v to_o 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unto_o their_o child_n as_o many_o of_o they_o when_o they_o come_v to_o age_n be_v ashamed_a of_o accept_v deliverance_n discipline_n praise_n god_n reformation_n tribunal_n thankful_n answ_n as_o for_o the_o discipline_n of_o jersy_n and_o guernsey_n make_v by_o mr._n cartwright_n and_o snape_n i_o never_o see_v it_o but_o once_o when_o i_o mind_v not_o what_o be_v in_o it_o now_o i_o know_v not_o where_o to_o get_v it_o and_o therefore_o leave_v it_o to_o mr._n d._n to_o answer_n for_o his_o forefather_n and_o neighbour_n the_o presbyterian_o have_v not_o hire_v i_o to_o be_v their_o advocate_n i_o be_o only_o for_o peace_n and_o will_v not_o have_v man_n make_v worse_a than_o they_o be_v it_o be_v doubtless_o a_o unjust_a scrupulosity_n for_o any_o man_n to_o question_v the_o lawfulness_n of_o call_v his_o child_n either_o robert_n or_o richard_n or_o arthur_n or_o william_n but_o if_o the_o question_n be_v not_o what_o be_v lawful_a but_o what_o be_v expedient_a i_o say_v caeteris_fw-la paribus_fw-la it_o be_v more_o expedient_a that_o child_n be_v name_v by_o the_o name_n of_o such_o person_n as_o be_v famous_a in_o their_o generation_n for_o piety_n and_o learning_n dr._n rivet_n tell_v baily_n tractatu_fw-la 3._o page_n 33._o quest_n 8._o that_o they_o use_v diligence_n to_o bring_v parent_n to_o give_v to_o their_o child_n name_v borrow_v from_o they_o who_o life_n be_v laudable_a in_o the_o church_n that_o they_o may_v be_v stir_v up_o to_o the_o imitation_n of_o those_o who_o name_n they_o bear_v for_o such_o better_o agree_v to_o christian_n than_o either_o the_o ambitious_a or_o superstitious_a name_n of_o heathen_n he_o also_o tell_v we_o that_o in_o his_o remembrance_n a_o vainglorious_a fellow_n who_o name_n be_v le_fw-fr grand_fw-fr will_v needs_o name_v his_o child_n alexander_n but_o the_o minister_n refuse_v to_o gratify_v his_o ambition_n they_o will_v not_o have_v a_o mean_a fellow_n child_n call_v alexander_n the_o great_a but_o that_o ever_o any_o presbyterian_a refuse_v to_o baptise_v a_o child_n because_o it_o be_v to_o be_v call_v richard_n may_v well_o pass_v for_o a_o story_n of_o dr._n heylin_n which_o many_o time_n be_v none_o of_o the_o true_a as_o for_o the_o reason_n he_o give_v out_o of_o his_o own_o head_n of_o the_o presbyterian_o choose_v old_a testament_n name_n because_o the_o old_a testament_n be_v mere_o hebrew_a it_o argue_v his_o great_a ignorance_n some_o of_o the_o presbyterian_o child_n before_o they_o come_v from_o school_n know_v that_o the_o old_a testament_n be_v not_o mere_o hebrew_n where_o our_o english_a tongue_n can_v afford_v happy_a composition_n i_o shall_v think_v such_o a_o composition_n in_o a_o child_n name_n will_v not_o make_v baptism_n contemptible_a nor_o the_o imposer_n ridiculous_a yet_o i_o confess_v i_o shall_v never_o advise_v any_o man_n to_o name_v his_o child_n praise_n god_n nor_o the_o lord_n be_v near_o for_o though_o he_o may_v excuse_v himself_o by_o the_o 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which_o be_v indeed_o many_o and_o too_o many_o to_o be_v insist_v on_o particular_o page_n 51._o he_o give_v we_o some_o saying_n of_o some_o church_n against_o sacrilege_n a_o thing_n that_o have_v be_v do_v more_o copious_o by_o dr._n john_n hoornbeck_n in_o his_o examination_n of_o the_o pope_n bull_n send_v forth_o to_o nullify_v the_o peace_n of_o germany_n and_o if_o mr._n d._n please_v he_o may_v read_v a_o very_a smart_n discourse_n against_o the_o sin_n of_o sacrilege_n in_o mr._n baxters_n defence_n of_o the_o worcestershire_n petition_n if_o ancestor_n through_o mistake_n have_v give_v maintenance_n to_o idolatrous_a use_n magistrate_n may_v convert_v that_o maintenance_n to_o use_n true_o pious_a if_o there_o be_v a_o true_a superfluity_n of_o church_n revenue_n for_o some_o one_o good_a use_n magistrate_n may_v out_o of_o that_o superfluity_n provide_v for_o some_o other_o good_a use_n if_o the_o sovereign_a power_n please_v in_o case_n of_o true_a necessity_n to_o make_v 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