subversion vpō any nation that purely and soundly in place therof hath embraced the holy Sacrament of the Lords Supper It seemeth also to be equal for many ages past that the Bishop of Rome might haue supreame and absolute power over all persons states and causes not only in Rome Italy Spaigne Germany other forraigne Kingdoms but also in England and Scotland But as yet to the view of al the world it hath not proved perilous for the King Queen of England and Scotland to establish new lawes for the alteration of that ancient abuse And why hath it not bene dangerous so to do Why forsooth because there was evident vtilitie in doing of it But how could an evident vtilitie appeare before it was done How Forsooth because the holy law of God had warranted an alteration For faith having eyes to see the wisedom the power and the trueth of God in his word discerned a far of that the institution of the Lords Supper was long before the sacrifice of the masse And therefore our Kings by abandoning popery out of the Realme did not institute any new religion but onely they restored the old Now then if the same holy lawe of God doe condemne the choyce and thrusting of a Pastour vpon the people by one man alone and againe if the same lawe doe impugne the primacie of one Pastour over all Pastours as wel in a Diocesse or Province as in the whole West part of Christendome what daunger can it be not to disfrāchise the one sithence without any maner of danger we haue abolished the other or what perill can it be not to countenance the sonnes sithence without peril we haue discountenanced the father Especially seeing in this place of the admonition we haue a playne cōfession that the common maner of election of Pastors Elders and Deacons in the old Churches was made by the people For if the examples of schisme discord Common manner of elections in the olde churches was by the people contention did commonly appeare in the olde churches while that maner of election did continue then by his owne mouth that maner of election was common and did continue in the olde churches Besides this inconvenience saith he caused Princes Bishops so much to entermedle in this matter From whence it necessarily againe followeth that by the holy Scriptures and law of God Princes and Bishops did not entermedle with that matter at all For had it bin simply lawful for thē to haue Bb. medle not with election of Pastours by the holie Scriptures dealt in those causes by the worde of God thē as well before schisme discord and dissention as afterward yea rather much more before then afterward For then by their own right might Princes and Bishops haue prevented all occasion of schisme and contention and haue so preserved the Church that no tumult or disorder should once haue bin raysed or begun therein Againe if by the lawe of God Princes Bishops had medled in these matters and had not entermedled by humane devise then lawfully by their authoritie alone might they haue chosen Pastours Elders and Deacons in the olde Churches which thing in this place by necessarie inference he denieth For schisme saith he caused thē to entermedle So as by his confession they were but entermedlers and entercommoners by reason of schisme not cōmoners and medlers by vertue of Gods word And yet now a dayes our reverend Bishops in this case are no more entercommoners with Princes and with the people they are no more entermedlers as in olde times they were but they haue now so farre encroched vpon the prerogatiues of the Prince and privileges of the people that neither Prince Bishops encroch vpon the right of prince and people nor people haue any commons in the election of Pastours Elders Deacons with them at all Besides if schisme and contention among the people were the reason why Bishops first entermedled in the choise of Pastours we now having no schisme nor contention about the choise of Pastours by the people and so the cause ceasing why should not the effect likewise cease But this effect is therefore still to be continued because otherwise the cause would a new sprout out and spring vp againe Nay rather inasmuch as for these many yeares we haue had schisme discord dissention because the Bishops wholy and altogether haue medled in the choise of Pastours and haue thrust vpon the people whatsoever Pastours please not the people but pleased themselves haue not suffered the people to medle no not so much as once to entermedle in these matters in as much I say as these things be so it seemeth most expediēt requisite necessarie for the appeasing pacifying of this discord the taking away of this schisme to haue that maner of election which was in the old Churches restored to the people and this wherein the Bishops haue entermedled without authoritie from the worde to be abolished that so againe the cause of schisme and strife which is now among vs ceasing the effect might likewise cease After I had ended this tract in this maner touching this poynt there came into mine handes a booke intituled The perpetuall gouernment of Christes church written by Thomas Bilson Warden of Winchester Colledge in the fifteenth chapter of which booke is handled this question viz to whom the election of Bishoppes and Presbiters doth rightlie belong and whether by Gods lawe the people must elect their Pastours or no. In whiche Chapter also the matter of schisme strife and contention is handled The finall scope and conclusion whereof is as the proposition importeth two fold First cōcerning Bishops then concerning Pastours The quarell taken against Bishoppes doth not so much touch sayth he the office and functions of Bishoppes as it doth the Princes prerogatiue When you rather thinke the Prince may not name her Bishoppes without the consent and election of the people you impugne nor vs but directlie call the Princes fact and her lawes in question As touching this poynt of the proposition because the people by any lawe or custome never chalenged anie right or interest in the choyse of the Kings Bishoppes we haue nothing to medle or to make about the choyse of any of his Kinglie Bishoppes The Kinge only hath power without the people to nominate his Kingly Bb. Nay we confesse as his Highnes progenitours Kings of England haue bin the Soveraigne Donours Founders Lords and Avowes of all the Bishoprickes in England without ayd of the people that so likewise it is a right and interest invested into his Imperiall Crowne that he onely his heyres successours without cōsent of the people ought to haue the free nomination appointment collation investiture and confirmation of all Bishoppes frō time to time to be placed in anie of those Bishoprickes yea we say further that the King alone hath not power onely to nominate collate confirme but also to
Archbishop of Canterburie cā haue over nine thirtie or fortie thē me thinketh it a matter very reasonablie of them to bee confessed that all true Pastors whether they bee great Pastors or litle Pastors may lawfullie exercise all maner of such true power spirituall as vnto true spirituall Pastors by the holie scriptures doeth apperteyne For if Bishops being great Pastours may therefore preach minister the Sacraments because they be as they say true Pastors thē also may litle Pastors therfore excommunicate because they bee as the scripture saith true Bishoppes Wherefore if the L. Bishopp of London by vertue of his Pastorall office as hee thinketh which with his brethren the other Pastors of his Diocesse he hath in commō deriveth vnto him immediatlie from the word of God may lawfullie excōmunicate then the pastorall office which Maister Doctor Androes hath ouer the people of his Parish of St. Gyles without Creeplegate and the pastorall function which Maister Doctor Whyte hath ouer the people of St. Dunstones within Temple-barre beeing as absolutelie as immediatlie deduced vnto them out of the same word what profe can be made out of the worde that the Bishoppe being not Lord Pastour of the Pastours of his Diocesse may lawfullie by the worde excommunicate all maner of offendors both Pastors and people within his Diocesse and yet neuertheles that neither Maister Doctor Androes nor Maister Doctor Whyte by the same worde may excommunicate any one of their Parishioners at all Nay further what reason can there be afforded from the law of God that Maister D. Abbot Deane of Winchester that Ma. Browne Maister Barlowe and diuers other prebendaries in the church of Winchester hauing certeyne parochiall and pastorall churches annexed to his and their Deanrie and Prebendes and Maister D. Grey in his parish by their pastorall functions should haue absolute authoritie vnlesse it bee during the time of the L. Bishoppes trienniall visitation to exercise the discipline of Christ within their seuerall and peculier churches and yet notwithstanding that neyther Maister Richman nor Mai. Burden being both of them graue godlie learned Pastors should haue at any time anie pastorall authoritie to exercise any censure at all And as it is in the church of Winchester so is it in the church of Paules in the church of Salisburie in well nigh all if not in all the Cathedrall Collegiall Churches thoroughout the Realme The Deane Prebendaries and Canons hauing certayne parochiall Churches exempted from the Bishopp within their exempt and peculier iurisdictions by mere Pastorall authoritie for episcopal authoritie by the lawes of the Church haue they none may exercise all maner of spirituall censures and that aswell by their substitutes as by them selues Nay which is more in Cheshire Lancashire Rurall Deanes in Cheshire c. vse some part of episcopall power Yorkeshire Richmondshire and other Northeren parts there be manie whole Deanries exempted from the Bishopps iurisdiction wherein the Deanes and their substitutes haue not onlie the probate of Wills and graunting of administrations but also the cognisance of ecclesiasticall crimes with power to vse the ecclesiasticall censures Yea and this authoritie of the executiō of ecclesiasticall censures haue those Deanes either long since by some papall priviledges Episcopall power to excōmunicate graunted by papall priuiledges or prescribed vse obteyned or els by long vse prescribed against the Bishopps Whereby againe it is clerelie convinced that Episcopall excommunication vsed in the Church of England is not of divine institution but onlie by humane tradition For were it of diuine right then could the same Power to excommunicate if it be of diuine right may not be prescribed no more bee prescribed or by papall immunitie be possessed thē could these Deanes prescribe power or bee enfranchised to preach the word or to administer the Sacramentes These things haue we thus at large more fullie intreated of to the end that the Kings Highnes and his Parleament and all sortes of people might well vnderstand howe it is not altogether an vnvsual and vnaccustomed thing in the Church of England that private inferiour ministers as they call them in their owne right and in their owne parochiall parishes without any authoritie from the Bishoppe should exercise even the highest censure of the Church And that in sundry places of the Realm there is no preeminence in the matter of the execution of the censures attributed to a Bb. aboue a Minister Nay whiche is more then is attributed to a Bb. aboue a No more preheminēce given to a Bb then to a Minister or to a lay man in some places for the vse of excōmunication lay man yea then to such a lay man who is authorized onlie by a lay man to his office Which is evident by the ecclesiasticall iurisdiction and censures exercised a long time by lay men in the peculiar iurisdictions of Newton Gronbie Anstic Soke of Rothelie Evington and other parishes hamlettes in the Countie of Leycester The officers of al which places for their spirituall authoritie having not had any other warrant then such only as hath bin signed sometimes vnder the hande and seale of the right Honorable the Earle of Huntingdon deceased sometimes of the Honorable Sir Henrie Grey knight sometimes of Henrie Skipwith Esquire and sometimes of others For the avoyding therefore of sundrie intollerable inconveniences whiche hitherto hath ensued for want of that authoritie which the Law setled doth enable every Minister with It is most expedient that all humane authoritie in the execution of spirituall censures bee vtterlie taken away and that the divine and Evangelicall censures of Christ bee ministred in every Congregation where learned and godly pastors with discrete Elders may bee had as from the minde of the Lord they were executed in the Apostolicall and primitiue church I had almost forgotten to speake of one common and vsuall kinde of iurisdiction spirituall in the vse of the censures of the church by the Archb. which in cases of their prerogatiue they haue prescribed against the Bb. over the presbyters and people of euery Bishoppes Diocesse and Archdeacons iurisdiction within their provinces of one other cōmon and vsuall kinde of pretensed spirituall iurisdiction and vse of the censures which the Archb. and sometimes the Deane and Chapiter sede Archiepiscopali or sede Episcopali vacante exercise and lastly of that spirituall kinde of iurisdiction censures so called of the Church whiche Suffraganes and Archdeacons haue and do vse As touching which supposed spirituall power both of the Archbishopps Archdeacons because the same their power doth only belong vnto thē iure consuetudinario non scripto by vnwritten and not by written lawe I must conclude against the iurisdiction of the Archbishopps prerogatiue and against the Archdeacons iurisdictiō in all cases as out of St. Cyprian King Henry the eight concluded against the Pope viz That their authorities can not be from Christ Because Christ saide
that the Author ought to haue proved them not to haue ben repugnant to the customes of the Realme but to haue bin in vse and practise before the making of that acte of submission For hee must proue sayth the Answerer that they are not repugnant to the customes of this Realme and shew vs how they haue bin vsed and executed heere before the making of the statute yea he can say that they are by lawe established among vs. Which points saith he because we learn by law quod facta noÌ„ presumantur matters in fact are not intended to be done vntill they bee proued so we must still put him to his proofes in the meane time say that hee hath gaped wide to say nothing to the purpose and that in his whole booke he hath talked but not reasoned All which asseveration of this Answerer if the same be true and if this plea be a good avermeÌ„t to barre the Author from having proved a learned ministerie to be commanded by the lawe dispensations for many benefices to bee vnlawfull excommunication by one alone to bee forbidden and civill gouverment to be vnlawfull in ecclesiastical persons then much more forcibly may this argument be retorted vpon all such as clayme alleage put in vre any portion of the forraigne canon law For sithence it hath never yet bene proved that the forraigne canon lawe vsed and executed at this day was accustomed vsed 25. H. 8. then because wee learne by law as he saith quod facta non presumantur wee must still put him his clients to their proofe and in the meane while tell them that their Advocat hath twisted for them but a bad threed when by his reason he hath vntwined all their lawes and broken a sunder the bands of their gouverment Moreover because it is not yet proved that the forraigne and papall canon law is not contrariant nor repugnant to the lawes statutes or customes of the Realme nor derogatorie to the prerogatiues of the regall Crown nay because the contradictorie hereof is affirmed and this denied and because we learne by law as he saith that matters in fact are not intented to be done â—ill they be proved so wee must still put the vpholders and executioners of this law to their proofe and in the meane while tell them that the forraign papall law is but a pretended necessary disused law that it is not inspired with the life of law and that it is fathered by them to be such a law as is an hedlesse a fetherlesse and a nocklesse arrow which is not fit to be drawn or shot against any subiect of the King And from this voydance abolition nullitie of forraigne and papall canon law because sublato principali tolluntur accessoria it followeth that all offices and functions of papall Archbishops papall Bishops papall Suffraganes papall Archdeacons papall Deanes and Chapters papall Priestes papall Deacons papall Subdeacons papall Chancelors papall Vicars generall papall Commissaries and papall Officials meerely depending vpon the authoritie and drawen from the rules and grounds of that lawe are likewise adnihilated and of no value Howbeit forso By the opinion of the CiviliaÌ„s the papal canon law seemeth to bee in force much as by the opinioÌ„ of some learned Civilians there seemeth vnto them a necessarie coÌ„tinuance of the same forraign and papall law by reason that Archbb. and Bishops doe now lawfully Apologie of certain proceedings in courts Ecclesiasticall as they say vse ordinarie Archiepiscopall and Episcopall iurisdiction which they could not as they thinke doe if the same common lawe were vrterly abolished and for so much also as some learned in the canon lawes do mainteyne that since the statut of 1. Eliz. c. 1. the Archbb. and Bb. cannot lawfullie clayme anie ordinarie spirituall iurisdiction at all but that the spirituall iurisdiction to be exercised by them ought to be delegated vnto them froÌ„ the King by a commission vnder the great Seale Forasmuch I say as there are these differences of opinions it seemeth expedient to be considered by what law by what authoritie Archbb. and Bb. exercise Archiepiscopal Episcopall power in the church And to the end this question may fully be knowen and no scruple nor ambiguitie be left what power spirituall may be intended to be exercised by them We distinguish spirituall power into a power properly called spirituall and into a power improperlie Power properly and improperly called spirituall or abusivelie called spirituall The power properly called spirituall is that spirituall power which consisteth and is conversant in preaching the Woord administring the Sacraments ordeyning and deposing Ministers excommunicating or absolving and if there be anie other spirituall power of the like propertie and nature Now that this power properly called spirituall could haue bin drawen from the person of our late Soveraigne Ladie the Queene vnto Power properly called spirituall was neuer in the Queens person Archbb. and Bishops we denie For the Queenes Royall person being never capable of any parte of this spirituall power how could the same be derived from her person vnto them Nemo potest plus iuris in alium transforre quam ipse habet Archiepiscopall and Episcopall power therefore exercised in and about these mysteries of our holie Religion ordinarily necessarilie must belong vnto the Archbb. and Bb. by the canon of the holy Scriptures otherwise they haue no power properly called spirituall touching these things at all The power which improperlie is called spirituall Power improperly called spiritual is indeed but a temporall power is such a power as respecteth noâ— the exercise of any pastorall or ministeriall church to the internall begetting of faith or reforming of maners in the soule of man but is such a power as whereby publike peace equitie and iustice is preserved and mainteigned in externall things peculiarly appropried and apperteyning vnto the persons or affaires of the church which power indeede is properlie a temporall or civill power and is to be exercised onelie by the authoritie of temporall and civill Magistrates Now then to returne to the state of the point in question touching this later power improperly called spirituall by what law or by what authoritie the Archbishops and Bishops doe exercise this kind of power in the church I answer that they cannot haue the same from any forraign canon lawe because the same law with all the powers dependaÌ„ces thereof is adnulled And therefore that this their power must ought to be derived vnto theÌ„ from Bb. where From whence then is their power derived Herevnto we answere that before the making of that act spirituall iurisdiction did apperteyne vnto Bishops and that Bishops were ordinaries aswell by custome of the Realme canons constitutions and ordinances provinciall synodall as by forraign canon law And Bishops remaine ordinaries by custome provincial caÌ„oÌ„s and statute law though papal canon law be abolished that therefore these canons constitutions
the authoritie aforesaide for our said Soveraigne L. the King his heyres and succerssors from tyme to tyme and at all tymes to nominat and appoint by his and their Highnes letters patents vndee the great Seale of England for euerie Shire and Shires Diocesse and Diocesses within his or their H. Dominions one or moe able sufficient persons learned in the civill lawe to be his and their Notarie and Notaries Register and Registers by him them selues or by his or their lawfull Deputie or Deputies to doe performe and execute all and euery such act acts thing and things as heretofore in the Courts and Consistories Ecclesiasticall aforesaid hath bin and now are incident and apperteyning to the office of any Register or Notarie And further at the humble suite of the Commons c. it may please the King to haue it enacted That all singular matters of Wills Testaments with all and everie their appendices that all and singular matters of Spousalls Mariages with their accessories that all and singular matters of diffamation heereto fore determinable in the ecclesiasticall Courtes and if there be anie other causes of the like meere civill nature shall be heard examined and determined by the said civill and secular Officers and Iudges in the said civil and secular Courtes according to the due course of the civil law or statutes of the Realme in that behalfe provided And that all matters of Tythes Dilapidations repayre of churches and if there be anie other of like nature with their accessories and appendices shal be heard examined and determined by the saido civill and secular Officers and Iudges in the said civil and secular Courtes according to the Kings ecclesiasticall lawes statutes and customes of the Realme in that behalfe heeretofore vsed or heereafter by the King and Parleament to be established And at the humble suite of the Commons may it please the King to haue it further enacted That all maner of fees heeretofore lawfull or heereafter by the King and Parleament to bee made lawfull for or concerning the probat of Willes administration of the goods of the intestat letters of tuition receyving or making of accompts inductions to Archbishoprickes Bishoprickes Dearries Parochiall-churches or other spirituall promotions and all other feees what soeuer heretofore lawfull or hereafter to be made lawful for anie travaile or paine to be taken in or about the expedition and execution of any of these causes shall for ever hereafter be fees allowances appropriated to the Iudges and principall Registers of the sayde Courtes equally to be devided betwene them as heeretofore hath bin accustomed and that the said Iudges and Ministers within their severall charges shal be Collectors of the Kings tenthes and subsidies graunted and due by the Clergie taking for their travayle and payne in and about the same collection such fees as heretofore haue bin accustomed Provided alwayes that none of the saide civill and temporall Officers and Ministers nor any of them for any offence contempt or abuse to be committed by any person or persons in any wise incident to any of the said Courts and Consistories suspend excommunicate or interdict any person or persons but shall and lawfully may by authoritie of this present Act proceed against everie offendor and offendors by such ordinarie processe out of the said Register or Notaries office as is vsed vpon a sub-pae-na out of the high Court of Chancerie and there vpon default or contempt to proceed to attachment proclamatiō of rebellion and in prisonment of the partie offending as in the said high Court of Chācerie is vsed Provided also that all appeales hereafter to be made from all and every Court and Courts in the Shyres and Diocesses of the Countrey shal be made to the higher Courtes as heretofore hath bin accustomed onely with an alteration and addition of the names stiles and dignities of Archb. Bb. and other Ordinaries vnto the name stile and dignitie of our Soveraign Lord the King his heyres and successors And that vpon the appeales so to be made it shall and may be lawfull for the Iudges Ministers of Iustice of and in the said higher Courts to make out all maner of processe and processes and to doe execute all and every act and acts thing things for the furtherance of Iustice in the causes afore said as to them shall by the law seeme equall right meete convenient any law statute privilege dispensation prescriptiō vse or customs heretofore to the contrarie in any wise notwithstanding Provided also that all and every such Iudge and Minister that shall execute any thing by vertue of this act shal from time to time obey the Kings write writs of prohibition of attachment vpon prohibition and indicavit and not to proceede contrarie to the tenour of such write or writes in such and the same maner and forme and condition as they have or ought to haue done before the making of this act any thing in this act to the contrary notwithstanding Provided also that this acte or any thing therein conteigned shal not extend or be interpreted to give any authoritie to the said Iudges Ossicers or any of them to put in execution any civill or Ecclesiasticall lawe repugnant or contrariant to the lawes statutes or customes of the Realm or hurtfull to the Kings prerogatiue Royall And thus it may seeme to bee but a small labour a litle cost and an easie matter for the Kinge his Nobles and Wise men of the Realm to devise formes of iudgement and maner of processe proceedings without any offices or functions of the canon law wherby the vse and studie of the civill lawe and the rewarde and maintenance for Civilians might be furthered and increased and not vtterly overthrowne taken away as the Admonitor vncivily beareth vs in hand As for the alteration of the censure of excommunication for contumacie mētioned in this proiect we haue the consent of the reverende Bishops in Pag. 138. this admonition that the same may bee altered For the Admonitor their Prolocutor speaketh on this wise Viz. As for Excommunication for contumacie by the Admonitors iudgement may be takē away without offence and with the good liking of the Bishops the excommunication practised in our ecclesiasticall Courts for contumacie in not appearing or not satisfying the iudgement of the Courte if it had pleased the Prince c. to have altered the same at the beginning and set some other order of processe in place thereof I am perswaded saith he that the Bishops Clergie of the Realme would haue bin very well contented therewith And speakinge of a certaine maner of civill discomoning vsed in the Church of Tigure he further addeth viz. Which or the like good order devised by some godlie persons if it might be by authoritie placed in this Church c I think it would be gladlie receaved to shun the offence that is taken at the other Admonition And matters
godly vses how the same may bee best imployed And let the Discipline loe these sage Counsellours were all Disciplinarians be reserved vntill that time For they whose frowardnes hath bene publicke and tending to the common offence of the Church let such be recalled to the acknowledgement of their faultes and let them publicklie for the same be censured that the Church by their wholesome coertion may be brought in good frame Afterward let the Minister going apart with some of the Elders take counsell how the others whose manners are said to be lewd and whose life is saide to be full of mischiefe may first according to the commaundement of Christ in the Gospell come together be communed with by sober and discreete men and with a certeine kinde of brotherly loue By whose admonition if they shall reforme themselues thanks are diligently to be giuen vnto God But if they shall proceed foorth in their wickednes they are to be bound with that sharpe payne which by the Gospell wee know to bee prepared for contumacie And when the force and vehemencie of excommunication shal be shaken first let the Bishoppe be sought vnto who if he shall consent and oppose his authoritie let the forme of excommunicatiō be dispatched before the whole church that we may bring in as much as may be the auncient Discipline Thus much haue these most Christian Disciplinarians and renewers of the auncient Discipline by Pastours Elders and Deacons both written and spoken And yet haue they sounded neuer a word to the finding of Elders and Deacons by the Parish nor by hauing men of occupatiōs to leaue their busines to attend vpon matters of the Church For men thus meeting together once onely in the weeke and that vpon the Lords day and that onely within their owne parishes and without payment of any fees may very well notwithstanding these attendances giue themselues wholie all the weeke following to their ordinary vocations And therefore against his not able to find one tollerable Minister much lesse to find a company c. I conclude thus No Parish in England shall be burdened to find so much as one Seniour or Deacon Therefore much lesse shall euery Parish bee burdened to find a company of Seniours c. Where the Admonitor complayneth Tollerable and intollerable Ministers that many parishes are not able to finde one tollerable Minister we would gladlie learne by what brand tollerable Ministers are knowne from intollerable Ministers according as the Lords spirituall iudge or iudge not of tollerable vntollerable Ministers For if all reading Ministers as nedes with them they must be or ells why doe they tollerate them bee tollerable Ministers what a vayne and idle distinction hath he coyned touching the scarcitie of maintenance for tollerable Ministers Considering all Ministers by intendement of lawe be able to reade and considering also a verie small maintenance is esteemed to be a tollerable maintenance for reading ministers For ells why doe the great Bishoppes in their great Churches of Cōmendames and the rich Doctors in their rich Churches of non residencies make so small allowances to their reading and stipendarie Curates And where then is that parishe in Englande that is not able to mainteyne a tollerable Minister The next argument that the people might not choose their Pastours Elders Pag. 78. and Deacons as is required is drawen partlie from a feare that the same wil be a matter of schisme discord and dissention in many places partlie from affection and want of right iudgement of the people partlie from the vnrulines of the parishes and partlie from the broyle and trouble which may follow Assertion Vnto this obiection if I should aunswere nothing at all but onely should The obiectiō of feare c. answered deny that any feare or any other inconvenience at all pretended in this place is to be feared to ensue my simple negation were more to be tollerated then his simple affirmation for by the canon lawe non inficienti sed ponenti incumbit onus probandi And yet because the Lord hath spoken vnto Iosua in him vnto Doct. in c. 6 cui depreb Lib. 2. vs all that wee should not feare nor bee discouraged to obserue and to doe all that is written in the law for then sayth the Lord shalt thou make thy way prosperous and then shalt thou haue good successe therefore in the word of the Lord I say that none of all this feare broyle trouble or turmoyle is to bee feared at al. Nay that it is most assuredly and without all doubt to bee hoped looked for that he would so blesse the attempt of putting his order in execution as that the peoples approbation and allowance of their Ministers should bee a matter of all peace quietnes vnitie concorde good successe and prosperitie to the whole Church of God in England For what an heathnish incredulitie were it for vs to replie vpon the erroneous conceyte of a timorous and suspicious fancie that feare and I wot not what vnrulines vnquietnes shall follow when we receyving the lawes of peace from the Prince of peace haue his most stable trueth that his peace shall rest vpon vs and that all feare and evill successe shall cease and vanish away No busie headded body therefore shall bee able to leade any man away to disquiet either Church or common Wealth otherwise then as the Church in all ages by the malice of Satan and his instrumentes hath euermore bene disquieted if once the holy law of the Gospell touching this point were obserued put in vre And if it be feared that the choyce to be made by the people of God and which is allowed vnto them by the holy lawes of God would proue to be a matter of schisme discord and dissention howe much more reason haue wee to feare that the fire of schisme discorde and dissention being blowen alreadie should not break out and flame among vs if still one man alone be suffered to thrust vpon the people of God not tollerable Ministers accordinge to Gods heart but intollerable ministers according to mans tradition The Admonitor hath insinuated vnto vs often in this admonition that it is dāgerous to innovate And so I say too vnlesse there be evident M. de cōstitu prim L. 2 vtilitie of innovation For saith the Emperour in rebus novis constituendis evidens esse vtilitas debet vt ab eo iure recedatur quod diu aequum visum est But is it not as perilous yea sometimes much Dangerous to innouate vnlesse there bee euident vtility of innovation more perilous not to innovate for proofe whereof it shall suffice to take witnes of our owne times of our own experiences It seemed equal a long time and for many yeres that the sacrifice of the Masse with all the pelfe and trumperie thereof should not once be spoken against But we all know that the abandoning thereof hath not yet brought any perilous
perinde vares pluralities non residencies wherin not the people to be taught but their owne backes and bellies to bee clothed and fedde is wholy respected Now theÌ„ that this manner of goverment wherin the afore specified and the like discoÌ„modities daylie fall out vnder colour of not diminishing the Kings prerogatiue of not altering lawes setled of not attempting dangerous innovations of the preserving of the right of Patrones Bb. and Archd. should still be continued without any mention or remembrance to be once had of their discontinuance especiallie in the time of peace vnder a Christian Magistrate and in a state as he sayeth reformed wee humbly leaue to the wise and mature deliberation of our most Christian King and State in Parleament And we most humbly beseech the King State that indifferentlie freelie and largelie it may be argued SupplicatioÌ„ to the Kinge and State in Parleament heard and examined whether it be possible that the tenth parte of these or anie other the like disorders corruptions grievances can possibly fall out in the church by that platforme of Discipline which is required to be planted And to the end that the Kings Maiestie and the State might rightlie and perfectlie bee Petition ordinatioÌ„ c. of Ministers or Pastours howe the same may be made without Bb. or ArchdeacoÌ„s not disagree able to divers lawes alreadie setled informed and resolved of those pointes whereof we now speake viz of the petition ordination election presentation and admittance of every Parochiall Pastour to any church with cure of soules how the same may stand and not be disagreeable to diuers lawes alreadie setled and in force it is requisite that the substance of these thinges in this place bee intreated of wherein against the base office meane person of the Archdeacon we oppose the Royall office most excellent person of the King against the immoderate office and stately person of one lordly Bishop we oppose the meeke and teÌ„perate cariage of a Senat or Presbyterie of many wise learned and grave Ministers togither with a Reverend assemblie of the Ancientes and chiefe Fathers of every Church destitute of a Pastour As for the Patrones right wee are so far from diminishing any iotte of the true right which by laws setled he ought to haue as that he shall quietlie possesse his interest and that with lesse trouble and expence yea and with greater priviledge then he did before Thus therefore touching the office and person of the King the duetie of the Presbiterie people the right of the Patron and the person of the Minister to bee ordeyned thus and thus we saye and thus and thus as we think may our sayings well stand with lawes setled By an Act primo Eliz. c. 1. the King hath ful power and authoritie by letters pateÌ„tes vnder the great seale of England when and as often as need shall require as he shall thinke meete and coÌ„venient and for such and so long time as shall please his H. to assigne name authorize such person or persons beeing naturall born subiectes as his Maiestie shal thinke meete to exercise vse occupie exequut vnder his H. all manner of iurisdictions privileges and preheminences in any wise touching or concerning any spirituall or ecclesiasticall iurisdiction within this Realme of Englande Agayne by the booke of ordeyning Bishoppes Priestes and Deacons it is prescribed that the Bishoppe with their The Bb. Priests must lay on their hands Priestes shall laye their handes severally vpon the heads of everie one that receaveth Orders that every one to be made a Minister must be of vertuous conversation and without crime sufficientlie instructed in the holy Scriptures a man meete to exercise his ministerie duelie that he must be called tried and examined that he must bee presented by the Archd. and be made openly in the face of the Church with prayer to God and exhortation to the people And in a statute made 21. of King H. 8 it is affirmed That a Bishoppe must haue sixe The Bishops must vse six Chapleines at giuing of orders Chapleines at giving of orders Besides by an ancient and lowable custome the Parishes and Parish Churches within every Archdeaconrie remayne vnto this daye distributed into certaine Deanries Every Archdeacon devided into Deanries amoÌ„g the Ministers of which Deanries the Parson or Vicar of the auncientest Church commonly called the Mother Church of the Deanrie vnles by consent some other be chosen by the Ministers them selues hath the first place and is the chief director and moderator of whatsoever things are propounded in their Synodall meeting which Minister also is called Archipresbiter or Decanus curalis according to the appellation of the chief Minister of the mother or chiefe church of that Diocesse who is called Archipresbiter or Decanus cathedarlis so that vnto this day these Ministers meeting at the ArchdeacoÌ„s visitations once in a yeare at the least there remayneth in the Church of England a certaine image or shadowe of the true ancient Apostolicall conferences and meetings Wherefore from these lawes from this ancient maner of the meetinges of Ministers and of having one principal and chief moderator amongst them according to the Apostolicall practise and vsage of the primatiue church thus alreadie setled in the church of England wee humbly leave it to bee considered by the Kings Maiestie First whether it were not meete and convenient for his Highnes by his letters patentes vnder the great Seale of A Minister to be ordeined by the Bishops and a companie of Ministers at the Kings commandement England to assigne name authorize the Bishops six or moe Ministers within everie Deanerie continually resiant vpon their benefices and diligentlie teaching in their charge to vse and execute all maner of iurisdiction privilege and preheminence concerning any spirituall ordination election or institution of Ministers to bee placed in the Parochiall Churches or other places with cure of soules within Secondlie when any Parish Church or other place with cure of soules shal be voide whether it were not meete convenient that the auncientes and chiefe Fathers of that place within a time to be limited for that purpose should intimate the same vacancie vnto the office Vacancie of a benefice to be intimated to the kings office of the Kings civill Officer appointed for that Shire or Diocesse to the end the same Officer by authoritie froÌ„ the King might command in the Kings name the Bishop and other Ministers to elect and ordeine and the people of the same place to approve allow of some able and godlie person to succâ—ede in the Church Thirdly the Patrone if the same be A lay patrone insteed of varying his Clerck may present two Clerkes at one time a common and laie person having now libertie to vary his Clerk if he be found vnable whether it were not meete and convenient to avoid all maner of varying that within
so to of the Church by Prelacie to be Monarchicall because the Queene was a Monarch and that the reverend Bishop governed vnder a Monarch then what did hee els but put a weapon into the handes of Pastors and Elders to prove their governement also to be Princelie and Monarchicall Because Pastors Elders desire not to haue that maner of governement to bee brought into the Church otherwise then by the Royall assent Souveraigne authoritie and expresse commandement of our most gratious King and Monarch Besids if any governement may be therefore saide to be a Monarchie because the same is derived from an earthly Monarch howe much more then may the governement of the Churches by Pastors and Elders be adiudged Monarchical by reason the same is deduced from our heavenly and everlasting Monarch For the reverend Bb. by their publike preachings apologeticall Ma. Horne Bishoppe of Winch. Ma. Iewell Bishop of Sali Mai. Bilson Bishoppe of Winch. writings testifie that power authoritie to ordeine and depose Ministers to excommunicate and to absolue to devise and to establishe rites and ceremonies in the church to define what is trueth to pronounce what is falsehood to determine what is schisme and to cōdemne what is heresie our reverend Bb. I say confesse this power to bee originallie decided vnto the true Bishoppes and Pastours of the Church from the Kinglie and Soveraine power of our Saviour Christ By what name therefore soever the gouvernment of Pastours and Elders in the Churches be called there is no manner of cause to dislike of the planting of that government in a Monarchie because the same is instituted by the Monarch of Monarches who is able and readie to vphold the state of al Monarchies in common weales togither with the state of Aristocracie in his No cause for a Monarch to feare that his Christian subiectes should haue the sence of Aristocracie in Church goverment Church Neither is there any cause for anie Monarch in the world to feare the making of christian commō people by familiar experience to haue the sence feeling of the principles and reasons of Aristocracie For if a people haue once submitted their necks to the yoke of Christ they can liue a peaceable godly life vnder all kinds of powers because they knowe all kind of powers to be the ordenance of God But especially there is not neyther euer was neyther euer can there be any cause for any King or Monarch of England greatly as the Admonitor insinuateth to feare that the common people will very easely transferre the principles and reasons of Aristocracie to the gouerment of the common weale and therevpon bee induced to thinke that they haue iniurie if they haue not as much to doe in civill matters as they haue in matters of the Church seeing they also touch their commoditie and benefit temporallie as the other doeth spirituallie And certes it seemeth that the Admonitor was drawen very drie of reason whē he was fayne to plucke this stake from the hedge to make a fire and to kindle the wrath of the Magistrate against the forme of discipline by Pastors and Elders For whether hee intendeth that the Pastors and Elders will thinke them selues to haue iniurie if they deale not in all causes of the commō weale as well as in all causes of their churches or whether he ment that the common people will easely transferre the government of the common weale from a Kingly Monarchie to a noble Aristocracie there is neither soothnes nor soundnes in his meaning For sithence Pastors disclaime to deale in civil matters the learned Ministers against the reuerend Bishopps by the holy rules of our faith mainteyne that it is not lawful for a Minister of the Gospell to exercise civill magistracy and that it is not lawfull for the man of God to bee intangled with the affaires of this life how is it probable that those Ministers will easely oppugne their owne knowledge by their owne cōtrary practise Or how is it probable that they would over-loade them selues with that burthen to ease the Church wherof they haue contentedly exposed thē selues into a number of reproches contempts bytings persecutions As for that other intendement of the Admonitors that it is greatlie to be feared that the commō people will easely transferre Monarchie vnto Democracie or Aristocracie if the principles and reason thereof by experience were made familiar in their minds this reason I say might seeme to carrie some shewe of affrighting a Monarch if the same were insinuated vnto a king whose people were neuer acquainted with the principles reasons of Democracie or Aristocracie but this feare being insinuated vnto our late Souveraigne Ladie the Queene whose people euer since the time they first begā to be a people haue had their witts long exercised with the The people of England haue their wits exercised with the sence of Democracie Aristocrarie sence and feeling of the reasons principles aswell of Democracie as also of Aristocracie what sence had the Admonitor to vrge this feare That in the Kingdome of Englande the common people haue alreadie the sence and feeling of the reasons principles of Democracie cannot be denied For in euerie cause almost aswell of criminall as ciuill iustice some few only excepted to be executed in the common weale by the common lawes of the Realm haue they not some hand and dealing in the same by one meanes or other Nay which is more haue they not the sence and feeling of the making and vnmaking their owne lawes in Parleament And is not their consultation in Parleament a mere Democraticall consultation As much also there is to bee avowed for the sence and feeling of the reasons and principles of Aristocracie to be alreadie in the minds of the Peres the Nobles the Iudges and other great men of the Realme For are not the Wisest the Noblest the Chiefest taken out of these by the King to bee of his Counsell and to be Iudges and Iusticers in his Courts Yea and is not their assembly also in Parleament a mere Aristocraticall assembly And what translation then is there greatly to be feared out of the Church to bee made into the common weale when the minds of all sorts of our common wealthes-men be already seasoned with the things which hee feareth And when the common weale is alreadie seysed of the principles and reasons which he would not haue familiarly known vnto it Wherefore that the King the Nobles and cōmons may no more be scarred with the strangenes of these vncouth and vnknowne greeke names of Democracie and Aristocracie writtē in his booke with great and capitall letters I haue thought it my duty by these presents to informe them that the govermēt of the church by Pastors and Elders nowe wanting amongst vs and desired to bee brought into the Church by the Souveraine authority of our King Nobles and commons in Parleament for the outward form
venerabilis viri domini Archidiaconi Surr. omnibus singulis rectoribus c. salutem Cùm nos rite legitime procedentes omnes singulos quorum nomina c. in noÌ„ comparendo coram nobis c. seu saltem in non satisfaciendo mandatis nostris c. pronunciaverimus contumaces ipsosque c. excommunicandos fore decreverimus Cumque discretus vir magister Roul Allen presbyter eosdeÌ„ omnes singulos subscriptos ex officio nostro excommunicaverit in scriptis iusticia id exigente vobis igitur committimus c. quatenus eos omnes c. sicut prefertur ex officio nostro mero excoÌ„municatos fuisse esse c. palam denuncietis c. Datum sub sigillo officialitatis nostrae 19. die Decembris Anno Domini 1587. John Hone Doctor of the Lawes Officiall of the venerable man the Archdeacon of Surr. to all and singular persons c. greeting Whereas we otherwise rightlie and lawfully proceeding all and singular whose naâ—â—s are vnderwritten in not appearing before vs or at least-wise in not satisfying our mandates haue pronounced contumacious and decreed them to be excoÌ„municated And whereas also the discrete man M. Rouland Allen presbyter out of our office hath excoÌ„municated all and singuler vnder written iustice so requiringe wherefore wee charge you that openlie you denounce and declare them everie of them so as aforesayd out of our office to be excoÌ„municated Giuen vnder the seale of our officialitie The 19. day of December 1587. By this practise it doth appeare that Doctor Hone and Rouland Allen canvased manie poore men verie piteouslie And that this poore curate Rouland Allen had a warme seruice to attend vpon Doctor Hone and to ierk those whose points soeuer hee should vntie But because this precept was an article concluded vpon by the reuerend Bishopps in their convocation and confirmed as I suppose by the Royall authoritie of our late Queene wee will forbeare to speake what we thinke might iustlie be spoken against the incoÌ„gruitie therof Onely this without offence to the reuerend Bishoppes wee may safely demaund sithence everie ordinarie whether he be a Bishopp or a presbyter by this article of their owne devise hath such an absolute power resiant in his person as that thereby thoroughout his whole iurisdiction he may thus coÌ„mit the execution of discipline by excommunication partlie to one laie person and partlie to one ecclesiastical person partly to a supposed spiritual Elder and partlie to a lay Elder sithence I say this is so we may safelie demande what reason they can produce to hinder the King from having authoritie to coÌ„mande three or foâ—re or if occasion The Kinge hathas good right to coÌ„mand excoÌ„munication to bee exercised by a Pastor and Elders as the Bb. haue to commit the same to a Curate and one lay Elder serue fiue or six lay Elders as they call them and one spirituall Pastor being a true spirituall Elder in deede all lawfullie chosen ecclesiasticall Officers in the house of God that they ioyntly should not execute the discipline of Christ viz. excommunication and other censures of the church in every Parish within his Kingdome If it bee aunswered that in this case the Presbyter alone doth excoÌ„municate is it not as if one should say that the executioner doth giue iudgmeÌ„t when at the coÌ„mandment of the Iudge he smiteth of the head or casteth downe the ladder or may not as much be said for the excommunication whereof wee speake that the Pastor onlie should excommunicate when by vertue of his office with the consent and not by the prescript of the Elders associated vnto him he should declare and pronounce the partie to be excommunicated But let it bee graunted that Rouland Allen denounceth the lesson which is writteÌ„ in the paper for him to read yet is it cleare by the precept that the same must bee done by the prescript of Doctor Hone. Besides Doctor Hone he citeth he precognizateth the parties and they being absent he pronounceth them contumaciter absentes and in paenam contumaciarum suarum huiusmodi decreeth them to be excoÌ„municate and are not al these necessarie partes incident to the execution of discipline by excommunication And how then can the Minister be saide to excommunicate alone when Doctor Hone of necessitie must play three parts of the foure without all or without any one of which parts the excommunication by reason of a nullitie is merelie voide Againe the acte being done as it were vno puncto at vno halitu and Rouland Allen and Doctor Hone having their commission from the Archdeacon in solidum how can their iudgement be devided Furthermore to say that Rouland Allen doth excommunicate by the authoritie of Doct. Hone were to overthrowe the intendement of the article Because by the scope of the article it is plaine that the Presbyter to be associated to the officiall must onlie derive his authoritie from one who hath taken ecclesiasticall orders But those orders Doctour Hone never tooke otherwise Rouland Allens presence had bene vnnecessarie and superfluous And therefore if the excommunication be of any validitie theÌ„ is discipline by excommunication in the Church of England exercised partlie by one laie Elder as they call him and partly by one Ecclesiasticall Elder wherein againe it is worthy the observation for the matter we haue in hand that Doctor Hone a mere laie temporall man hath authoritie from the Archdeacon to call and associate vnto him to prescribe Roul Allen a Presbiter an other mans hireling Curate in Southwark to excoÌ„municate not only the Parochians of an other Pastors charge but also any other Pastor whatsoever subiect to the Archdeacons iurisdiction And hath not the Kings Highnesse then as good right as great a priviledge and as high a prerogative to command Maister Doctor Andros or Maister Doctor King and lay Elders by a lawfull election to be associated vnto either of them to excommunicate either of their owne Parishioners for publike drunkennes or other notorious sinnes committed in their owne Parish For if it bee lawfull at the voice of a lay stranger that an hireling and stipendary Curate should chase an other mans sheepe out of his owne folde how much more is it lawful that a true sheepherde should disciplinate his own sheepe feeding and couchant within his owne pasture and within his owne fold Furthermore touching the admittance of governing Elders or lay Elders as they call them vnto the Minister of everie congregation according to the former patterne of one lay Elder that the same is not a matter so strange for lay men to bee ioyned in this charge of ecclesiasticall government as the opposites Lay men appointed by the Queenes iniuuctions to execute some part of discipline beare vs in hande to be it shall not be amisse to cal vnto their remeÌ„brances one of our late Soveraigne the Queenes iniuctions wherby certeyne lay persons called overseers were commanded to be chosen by
ego sum via veritas vita He neuer said ego sum consuetudo Touching the iurisdiction of the Deane and Chapter the papall lawe being abrogated how the same may lawefullie now bee vsed otherwise then by sufferance and consent of the King and Realme I know not But of all spirituall authoritie exercised at this day in the Church of England the same semeth to draw most neare to the semblance of the gouernment practised by the Apostles and primitiue Church And might bee approued in many points if so bee the Deane and Chapter being as it were a Senate of preaching Elders did no more commit the execution of their ecclesiasticall iurisdiction to the wisedome of one Vicar general or principall official then they doe put over the leassing of their Landes or dividētes of their rentes to the onlie discretion of one of their Baylifes or Stewardes As for Bishoppes Suffraganes in Englande and in Wales how many there may be and what Cities and Townes are to be taken and accepted for their Seas it is at large expressed in a statute made for the nomination of Suffraganes By which statute also wee are given to vnderstand that it remayneth onely in the disposition and libertie of everie Archbishop Bishop within this Realm c. to name and elect two honest and discrete spirituall persons being learned of good conversation and them to present vnto the Kinge by their writing vnder their Seales making humble request to giue to one such of the saide two persons as shal please his Maiestie such title name stile dignitie of Bishop of such Seas specified in the said act as the Kings Highnes shall think most cōvenient for the same so it bee within the same Province whereof the Bb. that doth name him is Besides after such title stile and name given by the Kinge it is saide that the King shall present every such person by his letters patentes vnder his great Seale to the Archbishop of the same Province wherein the Towne whereof hee hath his title name stile and dignitie of Bishop and that the Archbishop shall giue him all such consecrations benedictions and ceremonies as to the degree and office of a Bishopps Suffragane shall be requisite It is further enacted provided that every person nominated elected presented and consecrated according to that acte shall be taken accepted and reputed in all degrees places according to the stile title name dignitie that he shall be presented vnto haue such capacitie power and authoritie honor preeminence reputation in as large ample maner in cōcerning the executiō of such cōmission as by any of the saide Archb. or Bb. within their Diocesse shall be given to the saide Suffragane as to Suffraganes of this Realm hertofore hath bin vsed accustomed And that no Suffr made cōsecrated by vertue of this act shall take or receiue any maner of profits of the places Seas wherof they shall be named nor vse haue or execute any iurisdiction or Episcopall power or authoritie within their said Seas c. but only such profites iurisdiction authoritie as shall be licensed and limited vnto them to take do and execute by any Archbishopp or Bb. within their Diocesse to whom they shall be Suffraganes vnder their seales And that no such Suffragane shall vse any iurisdiction ordinarie or Episcopall power otherwise nor longer time then shall be limited by such commission to him giuen vpon peyne c. From which Act touching the vse exercise of Episcopall power and censures by the Suffragane we may againe safely conclude that the Episcopall power graunted by the Bishops to be vsed by the Suffragane is not of diuine right and institution but only from humane devise and ordinance For the Suffragan could not exercise any power called spirituall or Episcopall vnles by the Bb. he were nominated by the King elected and presented by the Archb. consecrated and by commission vnder the Bb. seale authorized in what maner and for what time he should exercise the same Custome then being not from heauen but from the earth and againe the Bb. commissiō limiting the Suffraganes delegated power being of man and not of God it followeth necessarilie that that Episcopall power which the Bishoppes vse and exercise in England can not be diuine but humane Because Episcopall authoritie which is diuine being conveyed from the Royall and Souerayne authoritie of our Sauiour Christ the giuer of all power vnto euerie officer within his Church can not be transferred to any other person by the same Bb. by the King by the bodie of the state or by custome For the Kings person and bodie of the state not being made capable by the holie scriptures to vse and exercise that Episcopall power which is of diuine institutiō can neuer transferre the same to others whereof they be thē selues vncapable And to defende that custome or any municipall lawe should transferre diuine Episcopal power from a divine Bishopp to any humane officer is more erroneous And from hence if the now L. Bb. of London iudge his Episcopall power to belong vnto him by divine and that by the same right he haue power aswell to ordeyne depose suspend and excommunicate presbyters as to confirme boyes girles yong men maydens there seemeth to bee good reason that the same Bb. should make it apparantly knowne vnto the King Realm by what power or commission descended from heaven hee may delegate vnder his Seale the same his divine authoritie of ordination deposition suspension excommunication and confirmation vnto Doctour Sterne his now Suffragane of Colchester For if from the holy Scriptures hee can produce no warrant for the making of a delegation of any part of that Episcopal power which he holdeth to be cōmitted vnto him frō our Savior Christ then well may we conclude against the ordination deposition suspention excommunication confirmation made by the same his Suffragane that the same his Suffraganes ordination deposition c. is not divine For how can an ordination a deposition c. made by a Suffragane be divine when as the commission graunted by the Bishop is meerlie humane Wherefore seeing the Bishop himself hath plucked certeyne of his principall feathers from his own spirituall winges if so be his owne winges may be spirituall and imped them with an vntwysted thread of humane policie to the humane trayne of his Suffragane and seeing also his Archbishoppes grace of Canterburie in cases of his metropoliticall prerogatiue the Archdeacons London Midlesex Essex Hertforde the Deane of Paules and certeyne prebendaries in Paules the Deane of Westminster the Maister of the Savoy and divers other Persons haue by Papall privileges or by auncient custome prescribed almost all other partes of his Episcopall power there seemeth good reason that the Bishoppe should againe declare whether the Churches within the saide Diocesse after the decease or translation of his Lordshippe shall stande in neede of any Lordlie Successour to sitt
able to maintaine his own grace by his own order should weaken his owne oath or by his owne sword should cut from the people of God his owne word But seeing it was his purpose to perswade the people vnto a dislike of the Apostolicall gouerment by arguments and reasons drawen from humane policie rather then to confirme them in a good opinion of the prelaticall gouerment by proofes taken from the authoritie of holy Scripture we will follow him in this his veine Yea and by the helpe of God we will trie of what efficacie such his politicke and humane reasons may be as wherewith he did assaye to disswade the people froÌ„ consenting vnto any other maner of Church gouermeÌ„t then is already setled among vs. The generall effect of all which both here and els where spoken of by him brieflie gathered is this Such things may not bee planted in the Church of England as by attempting the planting wherrof there is an euident sight that the Gospell among vs may be ouerthrowne But there is an euident sight that the Gospell amoÌ„g vs may be ouerthrown by attempting to plant that gouermeÌ„t in the church of EnglaÌ„d which was practised by the Apostles primitiue Church therefore that maner of gouerment may not bee planted The assumption of which sillogisme hee endevoureth to confirme thus whatsoeuer will draw with it many and great alterations of the state of gouerment and of the lawes the same may bring rather the ouerthrow of the Gospell then the end that is desired but the planting of the gouerment practised by the Apostles and primitiue church will draw with it many and great alterations of the state of gouerment and of the lawes Therefore the planting of this maner of gouerment may rather bring an ouerthrow of the Gospell c. If any shall obiect that by thus gathering his argumeÌ„t I had in this place falsified his argument by adding more then is here expresly vttered by him let such one vnderstand that this charge is but a meere and needlesse cauill For sithence both here and throughout his booke his intent was to dispute for the gouerment already receiued against the gouerment which is required to be planted in the Church And for so much also as none other gouerment is required to bee planted but that onely gouerment which was practised by the Apostles and primitiue Church it must necessarilie follow that the arrowes which hee shott against the gouerment required to be planted were shott onely against the gouerment which was practised by the Apostles and primitiue Church And therefore there can bee no iust charge of any falsification vsed in the gathering of his arguments Against which I argue as followeth Whatsoeuer will draw with it no alterations of the state of gouerment but few or small alterations of the lawes the same may rather bring the end that is desired viz a godlie peace and Christian vnitie both in Church and common weale then the ouerthrow of the Gospell among vs. But the planting of the gouermeÌ„t practised by the Apostles and primitiue Church will draw with it no alteration of the state of gouerment and but few or small alterations of the lawes Therefore the planting of the gouerment practised by the Apostles primitiue Church may rather bring the end that is desired viz a godlie peace and christian vnitie both in church and common weale then the overthrow of the Gospell among vs. The trueth of which argument will theÌ„ appeare when the Admonitors argument shal be conuinced of errour for the disproofe of the one is the proofe of the other and if his fall then can not this but follow And touching the invalidity of the first proposition of his second sillogisme we affirme that the alterations of the state of gouerment of the lawes bee they neuer so many and neuer so great can neuer bring any ouerthrowe of the Gospell if the same alterations be made for the planting of the Gospell For the lawes once altered can ouerthrow naught because they are then no more lawes And to say that the Gospell once planted by authority of new lawes caÌ„ be ouerthrowne by the same lawes is more absurd For the new lawes giue life to the enterteyning of the Gospell by meanes whereof the Gospell can not discontinue so long as those lawes continue And herevpoÌ„ also it followeth that no alteration of laws for sweeping clensing of the Church for casting and whippyng buiers and sellers and choppers of churches out of the Church can ouerthrow the Gospell For if all drosse filth and corruption be cast out if all lets and impediments be done a way it can not be but that the Gospell must needs haue a freer larger passage as wherunto a wider doore can not be but opened for the bringing in of a more plentiful haruest And if the Church bee beautifull as Tyrsa and comely as Ierusalem if she Solo. Song 6. 3. 4. looke as the morning If she be faire as the Moone pure as the Sunne and terrible as an army then is she set as a seale on the Lords heart and as a signet vpon his arme and then shall the coles of his â—elouzie be as fiery coles and as a vehement flame that much water shal neuer quench it nor any floods euer drowne â—t But if he should rather meane that â—he alterations of the state of gouernement would be so many and so great as that therevpon he did strongly imagine â—uidentlie to see the ouerthrow of the Gospell then we say that no state of gouerment can euer vndergoe either manie or few either small or great alterations vnlesse by alteratioÌ„ of lawes made by the same state of gouermeÌ„t the same 〈◊〉 of gouerment bee altered Now 〈◊〉 if our politicke state of gouerment whereof he must needes speake for otherwise his speech were to no purpose to amend and reforme abuses in it selfe may iustly put it selfe vnder the yoke of a new law as it hath done and daylie doeth vnto many newe lawes and so in this respect after a sort in some part alter it self for euery reformatioÌ„ is a kind of alteration without any domage hazard or preiudice to it self if I say this may well be so what a silly skarr crow is there here brought into the field to fray our politick state of gouuerment from attempting a reformation in the Church Belike he knew some to faine that our state of gouermeÌ„t must necessarily fancy whatsoeuer they fancy And namely that a reformation of the Church can not but infer a desolation of the State or that the State can not be well ordered except it suffer the Church to bee disordered or that the Church could not be fayre well fauoured and in good plight but the state of our couÌ„try people and common weale must be foule ill fauoured and out of heart or lastly that the State can not launce bind draw heale vp the sores wouÌ„ds contagions of the church but
or condemned by forrein power or by forren lawes There shall no husbandrie no clothing no handicraft no mariner no marchaÌ„dize no lawes of the land no maner of good learning whatsoeuer in Schoole Colledge or Vniversitie bee decreased or laid aside Wherfore the Admonitor toying neuer so much how so euer he hath made his flourish cast about with his May bees his I feare his I pray God his yfes his andes howsoeuer I say it pleased him to trifle with these gew gawes yet shall none euer be able to proue by anie proofes dravvne from the holy Scripture or humane reason that anie hinderance in dignitie or incumbrance can euer betide our Nobles our Commons the state of our Countrey people lawes or common Weale if the state of church-gouermeÌ„t were translated from Archbishops Bishops Archdeacons Chancelours CoÌ„missaries and Officialls which are officers in the house of God onelie according to the commaundements and traditions of men vnto the gouernment practised by the Apostles and primitiue Church which they can not denie but must coÌ„fesse to haue bene according to the holy pleasure of God Nay our Nobles and our commons are most assured to be so farre from being endamaged or loosing ought hereby as herby they shall purchase that vnto them selues which neuer yet any oppugner of so good and holy a cause could attayne vnto Namely they shall seale vp vnto their owne soules infallible testimonies of good and sincere consciences testimonies I saye of their fidelities vnto God testimonies of their allegiance vnto him by whom they haue bene redeemed and testimonies of loue and compassion vnto the whole church of God Nay further our coÌ„mons shal be so farre from bringing anie damage vpon them selues as they shall marvelouslie benefit them selues First by purchasing vnto themselues a large immunitie from manie foule and great greeuances and exactions of money imposed leuied vpon them by officers and deputies of Archbishops Bishops Archdeacons c. Secondlie by hauing the Lord Christ whose cause they vndertake and whose glorie they advance to be a friend vnto their friends and an enemie vnto their enemies And if our Nobles and our Commons be all hushed if they be all at sleepe at peace and at rest we may cast away all feare and be past all doubt that the King can not but holily recreate and solace him selfe and that his gray haires when soeuer they shall come shall neuer be brought to the graue in sorrow but in a good perfect age and peace But happelie it may be replied that Pag. â—9 some of our Nobles and most of our commons be so backwardlie affected Pag. 79. to the trueth of Religion as that rather they would turne head vpon the Gospell then brooke an alteration of Archiepiscopall Episcopal and Archidiaconall Church gouerment In deed if a reformation of the state of the Cleargie were attempted by anie other meanes then by publicke tractation and coÌ„sent of ParleameÌ„t I could not but leane vnto this opinion that the attempting thereof might bring an overthrow to the attempters Because the same attempt should be dishonorable to the name of God as being contrarie to the forme of doctrine receiued But since thinges amisse are required to be redressed by the King and Parleament alone this obiection is altogether vaine and frivolous and is alreadie sufficientlie convinced by that peaceable agreement betweene Nobles and Commons before remembred But let vs wade a litle deeper and search a litle more narrowlie into euery vaine creeke and corner of this supposition And let vs see by what maner of persons this pretensed ouerthrow of the Gospell might be wrought All carnall sensuall and earthly men No feâ—re that prophane men will ouerthrow the Gospell either whose belly is their god or whose god is this world all such men I say as in euery age be of Domingoes religion namely iust iumpe of that religion which the King and State professe they are so farre from attempting ought to ouerthrow the Gospel as vnder the shadow of the name thereof they wil euermore croude and couer their carnalitie and prophanes For they being euermore of euery religion and so in deede of no religion and passing not whether our Sauiour Christ or Beliall be their God sing as the Poët singeth Ais Aio Negas Nego becke and bow cap and knee to whatsoeuer the state and lawe commandes If the King be a Gospeller the Gospell the Gospell and naught els but the Gospell shal be found to roule in their mouthes But let the Crowne once turne by and by they haue turned their coates and as wether cockes with euery puffe of wind are huffed about Whatsoeuer order or maner of gouerment be planted or displanted in the Church the same shal be no corosiue to them It shall neuer sticke in these mens stomackes neither will they lay it to their hearts The King and Counsell is wise inough and knowe what they haue to doe well inough They will not be more forward nor wiser theÌ„ the Prince they will not checke and controll the whole Realme They can not brooke these busie bodies and medlers in matters aboue their reach They wil be none of these new fangled and precise fooles they will not bee backward and come behinde the law as the Papistes doe neither will they be to forward and runne before the law as the Puritans doe But they wil behaue themselues in all things and at all seasons as discrete politike Protestants ought to doe coÌ„forming submitting themselues alwayes to all order authoritie of the Queenes booke lawes setled Yea and though they be not booke learned nor any pen clerkes yet they beleeue well And therefore they will goe to the Church and say a few prayers yea they will receaue the Sacrament at Easter as deuoutlie as the best precisian of them all All these Atheistes and godlesse men being neither hot nor cold neither fish nor flesh nor good red hering plant what plants you will and sow what seedes you list yea make what ditch hedge pale wall or fence you please they set cocke vpon hoope passe not a button for it euery season be it wet or be it dry euery kind of laÌ„d be it clay or be it sand euery furrow be it broad or be it narrow be it deepe or be it shallow pleaseth coÌ„tenteth these medley coates alike They are like vnto Iacobs â—wes which hauinge straked and party coloured rods laid before them in the gutters at a ramming time brought forth none other but partie coloured lambes And therfore they will neuer stir hand nor foote nor once steppe ouer a straw to worke any least anoyance to the Gospell It is good sleeping alwayes for these men in a whole skinne And not much vnlike to these partie coloured slepers are the admoniâ—orie protestants For they as the dutie of faithfull subiectes doe bind them liâ—ing in a state of a Church reformed and hauing libertie in
externall gouermeÌ„t other outward orders to choose such as they thinke in wisedom godlinesse to bee most convenient for the state of their countrie and disposition Admonitorie Protestants by their owne doctrine ought not to bind the Church to a perpetuall goverment of prelacie of the people and hauing the consent of their godly Magistrates to that out ward forme of iurisdiction and deciding of Ecclesiasticall causes these kind of protestants I say alwayes blowing out the trumpet of obedience and crying an alarum of loyaltie to euery ordinance of man and grauelie wiselie and stoutlie demeaning them selues against all the giddy heads and fanaticall scismatikes and wrangling spirits of our age dare not I trow slip the collar nor cast of the yoke dare not push with the horne nor wince with the heele against the Gospel If so bee by the authoritie of our Christian King with the consent of his ParleameÌ„t the platforme of gouerment as hee saith deuised by some of our neighbour Churches but as we they theÌ„ selues confesse practised by the Apostles and primitiue Church might bee receiued and established to bee the best and fittest order of gouerment for the Church of Englande as well as it hath bene a long time and yet is of Scotland of most of all other Christian Churches For if it be to great a bridle of christian libertie as they say in thinges externall to cast vpon the Church of Christ a perpetuall commandement if the church haue free libertie to make choise of what gouerment soeuer shee thinketh convenient then is she neither restrained at her pleasure to forsake that which by long experience she hath found to be inconvenient neither is she tied still to retaine Archiepiscopall Episcopall and Archidiaconall gouerment though for a long season the same haue bene vsed For that in deed might well and iustlie be said to be too great a bridle of christian libertie when by necessitie there is cast vpon the Church such a perpetuall regiment of prelacie as may not be remooued Wherefore if our continued prelaticall discipline whereby the libertie of the church is taken away by publike authoritie of the King and States might be discontinued and libertie graunted to the Church to vse the Apostolical discipline either our Admonitorie Protestantes must yeelde stoup and obey or else be found to be a wayward a contentious and a fromâ—ple generation And if these two former kinds of our people which the land beeing deuided into fiue partes make three at the least shall euery way be supporters of vnitie and conformitie to the Gospell and no way disturbers of the peace libertie and tranquilitie of the Church what ouerthrow or what damage may the Gospell sustaine by the other parts Yea though they should vnite linke and confederate themselues in one For are they not weaker in power poorer in purse of farre lesse reputation then the former And yet neuertheles these partes are at such deadlie feude one against the other and at such an irreconciliable enimitie betweene them selues that the case standeth now betweene them as sometimes it stood betwene Caesar and Pompey not whether of them should reigne but whether of them should liue And how then can these parts thus diuided possiblie agree together against the other partes so surelie combined Besides the first sort of these two sorts Puritane Protestants can neuer othrowe the Gospell whom it pleaseth our Protestantes the Admonishers for difference sake to dubb with the Knights Hood of Precisians or precise and puritane Protestants Why They are the onelie and principall spokes-men and petitioners for the Apostolicall Discipline required to bee planted Nay these men out of the holy Scriptures so resolutelie are perswaded of the trueth of God conteyned therein as without which they know perfectlie that the doctrine of the Gospel can neuer powerfullie florish or be enterteyned with so high a maiestie in the hearts of men as it ought to be And as The Gospel hath ouerthrown the papist therfore he can neuer ouerthrowe the Gospell for the other sort the Papistes I meane alas that poore ratt what ouerthrow can he worke to the Gospel whose bane the Gospell hath wrought so long since Alas this faynt goast is so farre spent his disease growne so desperate his sickenesse now at such an hay-now-hay as al the phisicke of all the Phisitions in the world caÌ„ not recouer his health or once take away his hed-ach This silly snake then hauing hissed out all his sting spit out all his venime vngorged him self of all his poyson how can his skin or how should his tayle anoy the Gospel If therefore it might please the Admonishers vpon a reuew of our State our countrey and our people to cast such men as be open enemies to the Gospell into squadrons causing them to march rancke by rancke troupe by troupe and deliuering vnto the King a muster roule of all the names qualities conditions of the principal popish recusants within the Realme for none but such onely can be suspected openly to bande them selues against the Gospell it is not to be doubted but the least part of all the other foure partes would bee as great in number as these And what theÌ„ should the King and state feare the multitudes of recusantes when one standing on the Kings side should be able to withstand tenne and tenne an hundreth and an huÌ„dreth a thousand and a thousand tenne thousand papistes King Asa crying vnto the Lord his God that it was nothing with him to helpe with many or with no power and resting vpon the 2 Cron. 14. Lord ouercame tenne hundreth thousand and three huÌ„dreth chariots of the Ethiopians and Labimes For the eyes of the Lord behold all the earth to shew him selfe strong with them that are of a perfect heart toward him And when King Ioash remembred not the kindnes which Iehoiada the Priest had done vnto 2 Chro 24. him but slew Zechariah his sonne the Lord deliuered the King a verie great armie into the hands of a small companie of the host of the King of Aram who gaue senteÌ„ce against the King slew all the Princes of Iudah froÌ„ among the people and caried the spoyle of them vnto Damascus And thus much concerning the Admonitors proposition viz Whatsoeuer will draw with it many and great alterations of the state of gouernment and of the lawes the same may bring rather the ouerthrow of the Gospell then the end that is desired All which speach of his I affirme to be but a vaine and trifling ridle as the vvhole strenght whereof resteth onely vppon a may bee Wherevnto if I should onelie haue spokeÌ„ thus and no more viz that manie and great alterations c. might rather not bring an ouerthrow of the Gospell c. I suppose and that vpon good ground that such may might not be might euerie way be as forcible to disproue the one as his may be
ordinances provinciall or synodall according to the true intent of that act could not still haue bene vsed and executed as they were before if the Bishops had not still remained ordinaries Moreover it is cleare by two statutes that the Archbishops Bishops ought 25. H. 8. c. 20. 25. H. 8. c 16. to be obeyed in all maner of things according to the name title degree and dignitie that they shall bee chosen or presented vnto and that they may doe and execute minister vse and exercise all and euerie thing and thinges touching or perteyning to the office or order of an Archbishop or Bishop with all ensignes tokens and ceremonies therevnto lawfullie belonging as any Archbishop or Bishop might at any time heretofore doe without offending of the prorogatiue Royall of the Crown and the lawes and customes of this Realme Let it be then that by custome canons provintiall and statute law Bishops bee and doe remaine ordinaries yet aswell vppon those words of the statute 25. H. 8. without offending of the prerogatiue Royal as vpon the statute of 1. Eliz. c. 1. there remaineth a scruple and ambiguitie whether it be not hurtfull or derogatorie vnto the Kinges prerogatiue Royall that Ordinaries should vse and exercise their ordinarie power improperly called spirituall without a commission vnder the great Seale or that such their power should be as immoderate and excessiue now as in times past it was by the papall canon law Concerning the first by the statut of 1. Eliz. c. 1. and by the statute of 8. Eliz. c. 1. the Queene was recognized to be in effect the Ordinarie The Queen was supreme ordinarie of ordinaries of Ordinaries that is the chief supream and Souveraigne ordinarie over all persons in all causes aswell ecclesiasticall as temporall Where it seemeth to followe that all the branches streames aswell of that power which improperlie is called spirituall as of that power which properly is called temporal should haue bene derived originally vnto the Bishop from her Highnes person as from the onlie head fountaine of all the same spiritual power within her Kingdomes in such maner and from and by such commission vnder the great Seale as her H. temporal Officers Iusticers Iudges had their authorities committed vnto them And to this opinion Maister D. Bilson seemeth to accord For all power Pag. 348 saith he is not onely committed to the sword which God hath authorised but is wholie closed in the sword Against the head that it shall not be head to rule and guide the feete can be no prescription by reason Gods ordinance for the head to governe the bodie is a perpetual and eternall law and the vsurpation of the members against it is no prescription but a confusion and the subuersion of that order which the God of heaven hath immutably decreed and setled Besides there resteth saith the Remonstrance Pag. 114. 130. vnto the Bishops of this Realm none other but subordinate delegate authoritie and that the matter heads wherein their iurisdiction is occupied are by and from the Christian Magistrats authoritie In whom as supream Governour all iurisdiction within her dominions aswell ecclesiastical as civill by Gods and mans law is invested and their authoritie ecclesiastical is but subordinat vnder God the Prince derived for the most part from the Prince From which two statutes iudgements of the 1. Eliza. c. 1 8. Eliz. c. 1 Governours of the Church conteined in these two bookes for these two bookes were seene allowed by the Governors of the church I leaue it to be coÌ„sidered if the Bishop did exercise the same improper and abusive spirituall power and iurisdiction ecclesiasticall onelie and alonelie in their owne names stiles and dignities and vnder their owne seales of office that also by authoritie of forraigne and papall lawes if I say the Bishop did these things after this this manner I leaue it then to be considered whether their exercise of such power were derogatorie and preiudiciall in a very high degree to the prerogatiues of the Royall Crown or not For my part because I find by the forraigne canon lawe that papall Bishops be the Popes sonnes and are privileged to carry the the print image of the Pope their father namely that they haue plenitudinen potestatis within their diocesses as the Ex de Maior oâ—â— Pope pretendeth to have power over the whole worlde For quilibet ordinarius saith the same law in sua diocaesi est maior quolibet principe and because also not withstanding what socuer the Bb. haue written that they were the Queenes Bb. and had their authoritie derived vnto M. Bilson pag. 330. them from the Queene they did in her life time put the same papall law in execution by the same law did take vpon them plenitudinem potestatis within their Diocesses I for my part I say can not as yet otherwise conceyue but that exceedinglie they did intrude them selues into the Royall preheminences priviledges prerogatiues of the Queene For by what other authoritie then by a certain plenarie power did they in their owne names for the gouernment of the The Bb. by a plenarie power devised promulged new canons with out the Queens assent seuerall Churches within their seuerall Diocesses from time to time make promulge and by vertue of mens corporall oathes put in execution what new Canons Iniunctions and articles soever seemed good vnto them without any licence or coÌ„firmation from the Queene first had and obteyned therevnto By which pretensed plenarie power it seemeth that the statute made to bring the Cleargie in submission to the King was covertlie deluded and our late Soveraigne Ladie the Queene cunningly bereaved of that regall authoritie over euerie partieular Diocesan or Ordinarie which notwithstanding by the Parleament was giuen vnto her Highnes over the whole body and state of the Clergie For if once there be no necessitie of the Kings licence assent or confirmation to such articles canons or iniunctions as euerie ordinarie shall make within his iurisdiction then must it bee intended that the statute of submission hath covertlie permitred severall members severally to doe to execute those things which apparantly in expresse termes the whole convocation was commaunded and with the same in verbo sacerdotij had promised not to doe then the which what can seeme more vnreasonable and absurd For then might all the Ordinaries ioyne hand in hand and agree all togither in one never in anie of their convocations assembled by the Kinges writt to devise make or promulge any canons Ecclesiasticall at all And what assent licence or confirmation from the King could then bee needfull Or how then was the Cleargie brought in submission to the King For then should it not be with them as it is in the proverbe A threefold coard is not easilie brokeÌ„ but then should it be with them contrarie to the proverbe for
there is no doubt but the King by vertue of his Soveraigne and Regal Lawes might powerfullie ynough reforme heresies without anie such ceremoniall forme papall observance or superstitious solemnitie as by the order of the canon lawe pretendeth to bee still in force hath bene accustomed And as these offences before mencioned be punishable partlie by temporall and partlie by ecclesiasticall authoritie so drunkennes absence from divine service and prayer fighting quareling and brawling in church and church yeard diffamatorie wordes and libels violent laying on of hands vpon a Clarke c. may not onlie be handled and punished in a Court ecclesiasticall but they may also be handled punished by the King in his temporall Courts By all which it is evident that the Clergie hath had the correctioÌ„ of these crimes rather by a custome by sufferance of Princes theÌ„ for that they be meere spiritual or that they had authoritie by the immediate law of God And if all these as well as some of these crimes by sufferance of Princes The cognizance of all crimes as well as of some crimes by the lawe of God belong to the King and by a custome may be handled punished spirituallie then also if it please the King may all these as well as some of these crimes without a custome bee handled and punished temporallie For by custome and sufferance onlie some of these crimes be exempted from the cognizance of the King and therefore by the immediate law of God the cognizance as well of all as of some of these crimes properlie apperteineth vnto the King And then the iudgment of those men who defend iudgements of adulterie slaunder c. to be more temporall and by the temporall Magistrate onelie to be dealt in seemeth every way to bee a sincere and sound iudgement Howbeit they doe not hereby intend that the partie offending in any of these things by the Kings law punishable should therefore wholly be exempted freed from all censures of the Church Nay we iudge it most requisite and necessarie No offendor freed froÌ„ the censures of the Church for the bringing the partie which offendeth to repentance and amendement of life if presentlie vpon sentence of death he be not executed that besides his temporall punishement the censures of the Church according to the qualitie of the offence may bee vsed and executed against against him yea and we thinke that the Kinge by the holie law of God is bound by his regal power to command the church dulie rightlie to vse the same censures not onelie against everie adulterer defamer vsurer c. but also against everie thiefe everie manslayer everie traytor and every other offendor For not onlie sinnes reputed with vs ecclesiastical but al sinnes of what kind soever ought to be repented of coÌ„sequentlie against all sinnes the ecclesiasticall censures ought to bee vsed And by whom should the same be exercised but by the church Why then belike where an offendour is punished in the Kings Court hee shall againe bee punished in the Ecclesiasticall Court and so for one offence be twise punished which were vnreasonable To this wee answere that it is not against reason that one man for one For a maÌ„ to be punished twise for one fault in two respects is not vnreasonable fault should bee punished both temporallie and spirituallie First he consisteth of two parts viz. of a bodie and of a soule in both which parts he hath offended Secondlie he hath offended aginst two lawes the law of God and the law of the King For the execution of which two lawes there be two kindes of officers of two severall natures the King for the one lawe and the Officers of the Church for the other law both these kindes of officers haue power given them immediatlie from God to execute the one Kinglie and temporal the other Pastorall spirituall power And therefore we say it staÌ„deth with great reason that the soule causing the body to sinne should no more escape that punishmeÌ„t which is appointed for the soule by the law of God then the body should escape that punishment which is appointed for the bodie by the law of the King why then the Officers of the Church may medle with matters apperteyning to the Kinges law what an indignitie to the King were that To this we answere that the Officers of the church in a severall respect and to a severall end dealing in one and the selfe same matter wherein the King dealeth may no more be charged with dealing in matters apperteyning to the Crowne by the exercise of their spirituall sword then can the King be charged with medling in the same matters to medle with matters perteining to the soule by the exercise of his temporall sworde So that the spirituall power of the officers of our Saviour Christ which consisteth onelie in binding and loosing of the soules of men can not possiblie by any reason or good â—ntendement bee construed now to be any more preiudiciall to the Kings prerogative or contrariant to the lawes of the Realme then it hath bin heretofore Because vsurie incontinencie divers other crimes ecclesiasticall haue not bin punished only by ecclesiastical correction but also by teÌ„porall peyne And therfore to take away this frivolous obiection we instantlie pray that the lawes of the Realm may still keepe their due and ordinarie course and that the Kinges Scepter may reteyne that ancient and Royall estimatioÌ„ which belongeth vnto it and that it may be ordered by an irrevocable law as followeth Potestas iurisdictio actionum quarumcunque civilium punitio castigatio externa omnium maleficiorum quorumcunque famam facultates seu personas tangentium non penes Pastores Seniores Ecclesiae sed penes vnum solumque Principem civilem Magistratum sunto quicunque ijs non acquieverunt capitali poena punivnto Whervpon also falleth to the ground that cavillous and odious slaunder following in the Admonition viz. that the lawes mainteyning the Queenes Supremacie in governing of the church and her prerogatiue in matters ecclesiastical as well elections as others must be also abrogated The contrarie whereof being avouched throughout this whole Assertion it shall be needlesse to spend any time in the refutation of so grosse an vntrueth Admonition Those lawes likewise must be taken Pag. 79. away whereby impropriations and patronages stand as mens lawfull possession and heritage Assertion By a statute 15 R. 2. c. 6. because divers damages and diseases oftentimes had happened and daylie did happen to the parochians of divers places by the appropriation of benefices of the same places it was agreed and assented that in everie licence from thence foorth to be made in the Chancerie of appropriation of any parish church it should be expreslie conteined comprised that the diocesan of the place vpon the appropriation of such churches should ordeine according to the value of such Churches a convenient summe of
to teach and to guide others we rest perswaded in our hearts that the King for his part treading in the steppes of the godlie Kings Princes Governours of Iudah will goe in and out before his people as they did before theirs And that he will rather not eate of the bread nor drinke of the wine of the governoures Nehe. 5. that were before him then that he will not remitt the provisions the seasements the fynes the impositions the amerciamentes that have bene exacted Yea also that he will feede from his owne table an hundred and fiftie Prophetes prepare for them oxen and sheepe and birdes and wine in all abundance because they are come vnto him from amoÌ„g the prelatistes that were about theÌ„ because their bondage hath bene grievous vnto them Yea further also we are 2 Chro. 11. perswaded that he will shake out of his Lapp everie servaÌ„t of his that shall beare rule over his people And thus much of the meanes whereby some impropriations may wholie be reduced to the vse of the Ministerie It followeth to shewe by what meanes other some impropriations may be converted in part to the maintenance of Ministers to be planted in Parochiall Churches now destitute of able Pastoures in case the sayde impropriations by none of the former meanes can be reduced whollie to their first and auncient institution Wherein these two things come principally to be considered First whether it were not convenient How impropriatioÌ„ may be in parte reduced to the Ministery by some wholesome lawe to haue it ordeyned that the Heades Governours Rulers and Maisters of the Vniversities Colledges Cities Townes Hospitalls free Scholes and other bodies politicke and Corporate should not from henceforth demise or sett to farme their or anie of their impropriations or anie of the glebe Lande tythes or other fruites belonging to the same vntill such time as all leases heretofore made bee fullie ended or otherwise determined Secondlie whether it were not convenient to have it enacted by the same lawe that all and everie impropried Church Churches with their glebes tythes and other fruites after the determination of the Leases now in being should be demised and sett to farme onlie to the incoÌ„bent Ministers of the same Churches for terme of their naturall lyves if so long they did continue reseant and faithfullie preach in the same Churches the doctrine of the Gospell according to the articles of Religion concerning Faith and Sacramentes by publick authoritie now established in the Church of England And because by likelihood the Vicares will not bee able to pay fynes or incomes vnto the Colledges Hospitalls and other places and because also it seemeth reasonable that the Colledges Hospitalles other places by some other meanes should be recompenced we leave it agayne to bee considered whether it were not convenient that the Vicars in consideration of non payment of fynes should yeelde in money corne or other provision to the double or treble value of the anicient and vnimproved rentes For mâ—n experienced in these affaires of this life know that the profites arising out of churches appropried vnto the farmours thereof are commonlie sixe eight or tenne tymes more worth by iust estimation theÌ„ are the old rentes payable vnto Colledges Hospitalles other like places And thus we see howe together with the bringing in of these thinges which are required to be planted in the Church impâ—opriations may stande as mens lawfull possessions and heritages or otherwise how without damage or hurt to the King or Realme they may be converted to the vse and provision of the Ministers what soever hath bene insinuated by the Admonitor to the contrarie And yet do I not in anie of these things or of any other thing first or last spoken or to bee spoken desire mine owne advyse and iudgement so to be respected as though I should arrogate vnto my selfe more knowledge then all others which labour in the cause of reformation but onelie I submitte these my private meditations with their reasons to the censures of all wise godlie and learned men HuÌ„blie praying them so to bestir their own wits and so to bestowe their own cunning and learning that a better more easier way by their ingenuousnes may be found out procured to take place And in the meane season that these motions tendered to their vewes may not altogether bee neglected but duly weyed and considered Especiallie for that I haue not tendered any other thing to be performed by any of these meanes vnto any other then such as whervnto I my self to my power yea and beyond my power as far as in me lyeth shall bee readie to yeelde And howsoever the Bishoppes other great Clergie Maisters with their statelie favourites may preteÌ„d some part of this devyse to be an hinderance of learning and other some parte not to be for the Kings profite yet to the first we answere brieflie that learninge is not so much furthered by a few great rewardes provided for a few great learned men as it is by many good rewardes appointed for many good learned men as hereafter more at large in a more convenient place is declared Touching the Kinges profite we affirme that it is not onelie most profitable but also most honorable for the King to haue a multitude of loyall vertuous and godlie subiectes And that such manner of subiectes can by no meanes better be procured then by a continuall preaching Ministerie of the worde to bee planted in everie parish of the Kings Realmes And because no man better knoweth the reciprocall dueties betweene a Christian King and christian Counsellers we leave the discerning of the spirites of these profite preachers to the triall and iudgement of our most Christian King whom if he shall finde either by flatterie to fawne vpon the Kings profite or by labouring to keepe the King in a good opinion of thinges amisse we most huÌ„blie beseech the King to accept them and rewarde them for such as could wishe in their heartes the King should rather be impoverished by having many bad vnprofitable subiectes then that them selues would not be enriched by enioying manie good and profitable impropriaons As for the Lawes whereby Patronages do stande as mens lawfull possessions and inheritances which as the Admonitor saith must also be taken away how the same lawes may still endure or by consent of Patrones be altered without their damage if God permit when we come to speake of the election of Ministers wherein the reformers are charged with the hurling and thrusting out of patrones shal be declared Admonition The lawes of England to this day haue stood by the authoritie of the Pag. 78. three estates which to alter now by leauing out the one may happely seeme a matter of more weight then all men doe iudge it Assertion Not to stand vpon termes with the Admonitor that the lawes vsually called the common lawes of the lande being meere customary lawes
did neuer yet stande by the authoritie of the three Estates I will take his meaning to be that the statute lawes of England to this day haue stood by authority of the three Estates which to alter nowe by leaving out the one c. and then therevnto I aunswere that not any one of the three The bringing in of the discipline by pastours and elders is not the leauing out of Parleament any one of of the three Estates Estates should be left out or barred frō having authoritie in making and promulging statute lawes though the goverment of the Church by Pastors and Elders were brought in For we which so much cry as he saith for this maner of gouerment to be planted are so farr from exempting or excluding any one of the three Estates from their auncient power priviledge and preheminence in the making of statute lawes as that we pronounce him to bee guilty of high treason to the King and to the Realme that avoweth the contrary And we affirme directly and confesse plainly that it belongeth onely wholy and altogether to the three Estates as well to roote out and to pull vp whatsoever goverment is not iustifiable by the holy law of God as also to plant to setle whatsoever discipline is warrantable by the same law And to speake as the thing is how were it possible to haue the discipline by Pastors Elders planted by authoritie of the three Estates if one of the three Estates should be left out Or can it be imagined that any one of the three Estates would euer consent to the bringing in of such a governement of the Church as whereby the same goverment being once brought in the same estate should ever afterwards cease to be any more an estate Besides we acknowledge that all powers are of God therfore euery one of the three Estates being a power wee graunt that the same hath his stateship by the authoritie of God And if all the three Estates be lawfull by the holie law of God how can it be verified against vs that we which vrge the same holy law for the bringing in of the discipline by Pastors and Elders should notwithstanding contrary to the same law intend the leaving out or altering of any one of the three Estates But which of the three Estates was it that he ment should be left out I trow there The state of the Prelacie is not one of the three estates in Parleament is none of the state of Prelacie so ill advised as to take vpon him the proofe of this position viz. That the Lords spirituall by them selves alone doe make one of the three Estates or that the statutes of England to this day haue stood by their authorities as by the authoritie of those who alone by themselves are to be accompted one of the three Estates For if that were so how much more thē might the great Peres Nobles and temporall Lords chalenge to make by them selves an other estate And without contradiction to this day the Commons summoned by the Kings writ haue ever bene reckoned a third Estate Now then if statutes haue hitherto stood by authoritie of the Lords spiritual as of the first Estate by authoritie of the Lordes temporall as of the second Estate by authoritie of the Commons as of the third Estate I would gladly be resolved what accoumpt the Admonitor made of the Kings Estate It had not bene liegnes nor loyaltie I am sure howsoever hee spake much of the Lords spirituals duty and fidelitie in the execution of our late Queenes lawes to haue set her Royall person authoritie and State behind the lobby at the Parliament doore Either the Kinges Royall person then as not comprised within the compasse and circumscription of the three Estates by his meaninge which had bene but a very bad meaning must be thought to haue bene hitherto secluded from authorizing the statute lawes made in Parliament Or it is a most cleare case that the Lords spiritual them selves alone do not make any one of the three Estates And what matter then of more weight may it happelie seeme to be to alter the authoritie of the Lords spirituall and to leaue them out of the Parliament when as notwithstanding they being left out the statutes of England may remaine continue by authoritie of the three Estates And it were not amisse for the Lords spirituall to consider that the bodie and state of the weale publike both now is and euer hath bene a perfect entire and complete body and State without the body and state of Prelacie And that the King the Nobles Commons of the Realme without Prelates Bishops or Clerckes do make vp all the members and parts of this body and of this state and may therefore ordaine promulge and execute all maner of lawes without any consent approbation or authoritie yeelded vnto the same Anno 36 H 8. fo 58. b. Anno 〈◊〉 j. fo 93. 2 by the Bishops spirituall or any of the Clergie And thus much our Divines Histories Lawes do iustifie Sir Iames Dier Lord chiefe Iustice of the cōmon pleas in his reportes telleth vs that the state and body of a Parliament in England consisteth first of the Kinge as of the head and chief part of the body secondlie of the Lordes as principall members and lastlie of the Commons as inferiour members of that bodie By a Statute of provisoes it appeareth 25. Ed. 3. holy church founded in the state of Prelacie by the King That the holy Church of England was founded into the state of Prelacie within the realme of England by the grandfather of King Edward the third and his progenitours and the Earles Barons and other Nobles of the Realme and their Auncestors for them to enforme the people of the law of God These vses are changed to the keeping of great horses great troupes of idlers with long hayre and great chaines of golde to make Hospitalities and almes and other workes of Charitie in the places where the churches were foūded From whence it followeth First that the Archbishoppes Bishoppes onelie alone doe not make of themselues any state of Prelacie but that the whole holy church of England was founded into a state of Prelacie Secondlie it is playne that the 6. Eliz. c. ◠Kings of England before they and the Earles Barons and other Nobles and great men had founded the holy church of Englande into a State of Prelacie ought and were bounden by the accord The Kinge boūd to doe lawes made without assent of Prelates to bee kept as laws of the realm of their people in their Parleaments to reforme and correct whatsoeuer was offensive to the lawes and rightes of the Crowne and to make remedy and lawe in avoyding the mischieves damages oppression and greevances of their people yea and that the Kings were bound by their oathes to doe the same lawes so made to be kept as lawes of the
carefullie vse this his freedome And therefore he may not wholy and altogether put from him selfe and expose at haphazard the provision education instruction dieting appareling and lodging of his wife his sonnes his daughters and his servaunts vnto strangers neither may Husbandes Fathers nor Maisters giue their consent to the making of anie lawe or the bringing in of anie custome whereby their freedomes should be restreyned adnihiled or made voyde in this behalfe For by thus violating the rules and grounds by thus treading as it were vnder foote the equitie of Christ and the freedome they haue by the lawe of God should they not most prophanelie and impiouslie despight God and as it were over turne the whole order he hath set in nature And if the people may not cast off these rules and these groundes this equitie and this freedome in thinges apperteyning to this frayle bodily transitorie and earthlie life howe much lesse may they cast them off or sett litle by them in things apperteyning to the salvation of their soules and to a durable spirituall everlasting and heavenlie life But the peoples right to choose their Obiection that the peoples right did neuer depend vpō the expresse commandemēt of God Bishoppes did never depende vpon the expresse commaundement of God neither can the people chalendge by Gods law the right to chose their Bishoppes I meane saieth he no such thinge is expressed and conteyned in the Scriptures What then if it doe depend or bee conteyned vnder the generall groundes and rules of reason nature christian equitie christian societie principles of humane fellowshippes the law of God the practise of the Apostles and that which was from the beginning Is it not sufficient Though it bee not expressed in these termes viz That the people must chose or that the people haue right to choose their Bishoppes It is not expressed and conteyned in the scriptures that everie man must choose his owne wife or that everie woman must choose her own husband And yet by the doctrine expressed or conteyned in the scriptures is it true that no man hath right either to choose an other mans wife or to choose an other womans husband And that everie man hath right to chose his owne wife and every woman right to choose her owne husbande Againe it is not expressed and conteyned in the scriptures that infantes must bee baptized Neither is it expressed and conteyned in the scriptures that the Bishopp of Lichfield must haue but one wife Yet because it is conteyned in the scriptures that God in the beginning brought but one woman vnto one man and gaue to one woman but one husband I assure my selfe it wil not be denied but that the Bishops must and doth content him selfe with one wife and that every Christian ought to bring their children to be Baptized Besides if Maister Bilson distinguish Bishops in England from Pastors in England and Arch-Bishops in England and Pastours in England two severall orders and degrees of Ministers in the Church of England then I graunt that it is neither expressed nor cōteyned in the Scriptures that the people must choose their Bishops in England And why but because the Scriptures having put no difference betwene Bishops and Pastours knowe no such Bishops as wee haue in Bishopps in England are only Bishops by the Kings grace not by diuine institution England And therfore Bishops in England being Bishops only by the Kinges grace and not by divine institution and ordination as Pastours in Englande be hence is it that the Kings of England by their prerogatiue Royall and not the people by the rule of Scriptures haue chosen their Bishops in England And for this cause also was it that Kinge Henry the eight with advise of the Parleament did reassume the nomination appointment investiture cōfirmation of his Kingly Bishops from the Pope As for the nomination of Pastoures having cure of soules in parishes otherwise Pastors in parochiall Churches were neuer placed by the King as Bb. are in their Bishoprickes then all patrones by right of patronage doe giue presentmentes their choyse institution translation or deprivation the Kings of Enland by their regall power never yet hetherto tooke the same vpon them And if the Kinges of England by any fact or by any law did never take away the right interest and freedome from the people in choosing their Pastours what right other then by vsurpation can the Bishops haue to impose or thrust vpon the people Pastours without their liking But by custome and consent the people haue restreyned them selves Herevnto if it were not already sufficiently answered that the people could not lawfully restreine them selves yet Maister Bilson him selfe answereth That the late Bb. of The people lost their cōsent by cursing fighting of the Popes Rome neuer left cursing fighting till they had excluded both Prince and people and reduced the electiō wholy to the Clergie By cursing and fighting then haue the people bene overruled and excluded and not by custome or consent haue they restreyned them selues Yea by vertue of this cursed fight onely doe the Bishoppes of Englande at this day exclude both Prince and people from medling in the choyse of Pastoures For by authoritie of the canon law made by those late cursing and fighting Bishopps of Rome the Bishoppes of Englād haue the sole ordination and placinge of Pastours over the people And from hence also is it playne that the peoples right was not by their default or abuse relinquished and forfeyted For then then late Bishoppes of Rome needed not to haue cursed and fought for it And now whether it bee not meete that the Lord Bb. professing them selues to bee Christian Bishoppes should still reteyne in their handes and not restore vnto Christian people the possession of their Christian equitie and freedome extorted from them by the cursings and fightinges of antichristian Bb. I leaue it to the consideration of the reverende Bishoppes them selues Touching the mischieves and inconveniences of schisme troubles strifes contentions so often inculcated and so much vrged and excepted against the election of the people there is no man able as I thinke to produce any one pregnant proofe out of any auncient or late Historie that any Kinge or Soveraigne power hath interposed any supreame authoritie to appease any discord or dissentiō ensuing or raised vpō the bare choise made of any meere Parochiall Pastour by any faithfull and Christian people The schismes strifes and factions that were raysed in the old Schismes contentions spring from schismaticall and proud clergy maisters Churches sprang out and flowed onely from the heads and fountaynes of those schismes strifes factions and namely from proud ambitious and hereticall Bishops and great Clergie maisters For they being infected and poysoned with the contagion of schisme and heresie having sowred the mindes of their Disciples with the leaven of their hereticall doctrines no merveile if the people
the time prefixed hee should nominate at one time two Clerks to bee taken out of the Vniversities or other Schooles and Nurseries or of the Prophets that the same nomination be made vnto the Bishop and the said six Ministers to the ende that both the Clerkes being tried and examined by them the abler of the twoo might bee preferred to that charge And of this maner of presenting two Clerkes by the Patrone we haue a president not much vnlike in the statute for nomination of Suffraganes By which act every Archbishop and Bishop desiring to haue a Suffragane hath libertie to name and present vnto the Kinge two honest and discrete spirituall persons c. that the King may giue to one such of the saide two spirituall persons as shall please his Maiestie the tytle name stile and dignitie of a Suffragane Fourthly the Bb. and Presbiters hauing thus vpon triall and examination A minister found able for gifts is to be sent to the parish that his life may be examined and to haue the cōsent of the people founde one of the Patrones Clercks to be a fitt and able man to take vpon him the execution of the ministery in that Church whether it were not then meet convenient that by them hee should forthwith bee sent to the same Church aswell to acquaint the people with their iudgement and approbation of his gifts and abilitie to teach as also that for a time he should cōuerse abide amōgst them to the end his life manners and behauiour might bee seene into enquired after by their careful indeuours Fiftlie the people within a time to be perfixed not making and prouing before the Magistrate any iust exception against his life manners and conversations whether it were not then meete and conuenient that the Bishop with six other Ministers or moe of the same Deanrie authorized by the Kinge as aforesaid A man allowed for giftes and cōuersation is to bee ordeined with prayer fasting laying on of hands vnder some payne and within a certaine time should be bound in the presence of the Elders and people and in the same Church with fasting prayer and laying on of handes to ordeyne and dedicate him to the Ministerie and Pastorall charge of that Church Lastly these thinges being thus finished whether it were not then meete A Minister to be inducted into the Church by the Kinges writt convenient that the Bishoppes with the other Ministers and some of the chief of the people should giue the partie ordeyned a testimoniall vnder their handes or vnder some authenticall seale to certifie the Kings officer of the execution of his writt and that the Patron also should present the same person to the Kings officer humbly praying the same officer by authoritie to be derived from the King to cause him by some other writt to bee confirmed and really inducted into the possession of the same Church and into the mansion-house glebe-land and other profites Ecclesiasticall to the same apperteyning Oh! but this were a strange kinde of innovation and a dangerous attempt to To execute the premises no daungerous attēpt alter lawes setled especiallie in a setled estate of the Church Well well let my Lordes of the Clergie sing this song and pipe this melodie at their pleasure How be it for asmuch as this platforme in some parte thereof hath alreadie bene agreed vpon by divers Committees in Parleament in other some part thereof by lawes alreadie setled ought to haue bin practised and that in other some part thereof is an advancement of the Kings authoritie which last part also is lively pourtraicted out vnto vs by presidents from the Archbishop and Bishop them selues we shall through the grace of God and favour of the King be able well inough quite and cleane to wipe away all the spots of this calumniation And first touching the intimation and supplication to be made vnto the King Petition and intimatiō to the King agreable to laws setled that his H. would be pleased to cōmand every Minister to be presented by the patrone ordeyned by the Bb. Ministers and elected by the people and that the King being certified by them of the execution of his writt should vpon their testimoniall by another publike writt cause the Clerke ordeyned to be confirmed admitted and inducted to the real possession of the temporalities of the benefice This manner I say of intimation petition testimoniall admittance in substance and effect differeth but little from the forme of the petition nomination 25. H. 8. c. election investiture confirmation and consecration of the Arch-Bb and Bb. of this Realme For when soever the Church of Canterburie Winton or other Bishoppes sea becommeth destitute of a Pastor doth not the Deane and Chapiter of the same sea intimate vnto the King their want of a B. doth not the same Dean and Chapiter humbly supplicate his Maiesties favour and licence to elect an other And doth not the King vpon their supplicatiō by letters patents vnder his great Seale favourably grant their petition willing them vt talem eligant in Episcopum Pastorem qui Deo devotus Ecclesiae suae necessarius nobisque regno nostro vtilis fidelis existat And with the same letters patentes doth not the King sende a letter missiue conteyning the name and commendation of the person to bee elected After the election finished doth not the Deane and Chapiter intimat the same also vnto the King and humbly agayne pray the King to yeeld his Royall assent to the lord elected Wherevppon doth not the King againe direct his letters patentes of warrant to the Archb. or some other whō the King shall appoint to performe all things whiche accustomably are to bee done apperteyning to his confirmation and consecration according to the lawes and statutes of his Realme of England Lastly the consecration and cōfirmation being finished and the Bb. hauing done his homage sworne fealtie is not the Kings writt out of the Chancery directed to the Escheator to restore vnto him the temporalities of the same Bishopricke Yea and may not the Bishoppe also if it please him procure another writt out of the Chancery directed to his tenantes commaunding them to atturne and to take him for their Lord Now thē in this platform wherof mentiō hath bin made touching the placing of a parochiall Pastour any parochiall church with cure of soules being voyd when it is craved that the people of the same parish might intimate their want vnto the Kings officer and that the same officer might command the Patron to present the Ministers to ordeyn and the people according to the Kings lawes to assent vnto and approve the Clerk what other intent or meaning haue wee then that the King hath as ample and as lawfull The Kinge hath as large a power to command a Minister to be elected ordeined as a Bishop to be chosen consecrated a power to
declared vnto vs the same some learned men hauing no warrant out of the holy booke of God for such their learning For if the declaration of some learned men of this age in their workes set forth to the world may be a sufficiēt warrant to drawe men from the way of trueth then hardly let the declaration of Doctor Harding against the true vse of the Lords supper and then let the declaration of Osorius against Iustification by faith and the declarations of Bellarmine against divers articles of our religion and the declaration of Doctor Allen against the execution of iustice in England the declaratiō of Doctor Saunders a rebellious fugitiue in the defence of the Popes Bull and the declaration of G. T. for the pretended catholickes and lastly let the declaration of the Pope and his whole clergy excōmunicating our late Soveraigne lady the Queene deceased be receyved and listened vnto For who can deny but that these men were some men and that these some men were also some learned men and who then seeth not the loosenes the vanity the trifling and the toying of this argument The argument following which the Admonitor would seeme to lett passe Pag. 81. drawne from experience is of like quality For though experience as he saith reach that men of stubbernes will not shunne the company of such as bee excommunicated though such men of stubbernesse must be also as hee saith excommunicated for keeping of company with them yet to affirme that by meanes of Pastourly Elderly excommunication moe will be excommunicated By excommunication of Pastours and Elders moe can not be out of cōmunion thē in communion as being men of stubbernes then in communion is a very grosse and palpable errour For we hold as the truth is that the greater part of the Church can not be excommunicated by the lesser nor that many should be excōmunicated by a few nor that a few should be excōmunicated by one of the Church And if the common vnion must necessarily consist of all or of the most part of the faithfull then is the lesser part alwayes out of this common vnion For what else is excommunicatiō but extra communionem eiectio a casting foorth of one or of moe persons from the common fellowship society and company of the faithfull The greatest part wherof and not the least are accompted to be the church and to be in communion vnlesse then the whole church or the greater part of the Church having once cast out from among them one or moe adulterers blasphemers extortioners or such like and hauing also excommunicated men of stubbernes for keeping company with such shall them selues all or the greatest part become children of disobedience men of stubbernes it can not bee but there must be still moe of the church in communion then out of communion But if the whole Church shall haue cast away the yoke of Discipline and become such them selues as were those whō before they had excommunicated then is it a clear case that there is not any more any communion among them For how should any common vnion bee there where is no vniō at all And if all be departed from obedience where then can the Church be Nay further if the greatest part of the Church should revolt forsake the faith yet herevpon it would not follow that moe of the faithfull be out of communion then in communion For then such onely as remayne in the vnitie of faith and haue not separated themselues frō Christ remayne now only to be in communion with Christ out of which number also if any should bee excommunicated by the residue of their brethren yet even amonge this small number there would be still moe in communion then out of communion For to be out of communiō can not be vnderstood to be of any but only of such as remayning in the profession of faith and godlines are yet notwithstanding foūd guiltie of some transgression and for the same by the Church for a time cutt of from the Church by sentence of excommunication These deformities and inconveniences therefore can in no wise follow that Discipline of excommunication by Pastoures and Elders whiche so much is called for But certes it fared I feare me with the Admonitor and sundrie of his colleagues in this case none otherwise then it fareth with incontinent women once say they incontinent and ever incontinent wee knowe it by our selues Our ecclesiasticall Iudges and Officers in like maner seeing by experiēce those whom they accompt to be men of stubbernes not to shunne the companie of such as they daylie excommunicate yea and they perceyuinge also that it may fall out that moe vnder their Iurisdiction By the Bb. excommunication moe may bee 〈◊〉 of communion then in communiō it is therfore by his owne reason a deformed discipline may bee out of their communion then in communion with them because one man alone as hee playnelie insinuateth may excommunicate the greatest parte of the Church vnder his censure for otherwise hee could never haue supposed that moe would bee out of communion then in communion because I say these deformities these inconveniences by their owne experience haue bene found to haue followed vpon that discipline of excōmunication which hetherto hath bene practised It falleth out that they can not otherwise iudge but that all other maner of discipline by excommunication must be of the same nature condition that is as deformed and incōvenient as their own is And yet in this place it is worthy to bee marked what a rod the Admonitor hath gotten out of S. Augustine to By S. Augustines reason Bishopply excommunication hath many deformities whip his owne discipline by excommunicatiō only out of the church and thus it may be framed That discipline whereby moe will be or moe may bee excommunicated then in communion hath in it many deformities and inconveniences But by the Discipline of excommunication which the reverend Bishopps their Archdeacons Chauncelors Commissaries and Officials practise moe will bee or moe may bee excommunicated then in communion Therefore that Discipline by excommunication which the reverend Bishopps their Archdeacons c. practise hath in it many deformities and inconveniences The Maior proposition if hee speake truely is St. Augustines but whether it be or be not it is no great matter because it needeth not the authoritie of any man to confirme it the same being sound and true in it owne nature The minor is drawen from his owne reason thus Where there be moe men of stubbernes in the church then of obedience where there bee moe men that shunne not then that shunne the company of those that bee excommunicated there moe will bee or may bee excommunicated then in communion But there be moe men of stubbernes then of obedience and moe that shunne not then that doe shunne the company of those that be excommunicated by the Reverend Bishopps their
Archdeacons Chancelours and Officials Therefore there may be or wil be moe excoÌ„municated by their Lordships their Archdeacons Chancelours c. then in Communion The assumptioÌ„ though I cannot warrant the same to be simply true yet I may safely warrant it to be drawen from the Admonitors owne experience For I let passe sayth he that experience teacheth that men of stubbernes will not shunne the coÌ„pany of them that be excommunicated c. and that they must bee excommunicated Bishoply excommunication hath manie deformities for keeping of company with them And so it will fall out that moe will bee excommunicated then in communion but this last consequence say I caÌ„ not follow vnlesse he first presuppose both his antecedents to be true And therfore because he must needs be intended to haue spoken of that kind of excommunication whereof he hath had experience it followeth that these deformities and inconveniences whereof he speaketh must needes be found in that excommunication which he his vse For of the other kind of excommunication hee neuer yet had any experience And then by experience he could not speake If he spake not of his owne experience but of the experience of some other men then haue we but litle cause to beleeue him because wee know not what maner persons those were from whom he drew his argument of experience and whether they reported deceytfully or truely of their own experience or no. And if this argument drawn from the experience of his owne maner of Discipline be of sufficieÌ„t validitie to impugne as he weaneth that Discipline by excommunication which so much as he saith is cryed for and whereof as yet hee never had experience how much more effectuall then is this argument to overthrow that his own maner of discipline which he so long time to so small profit and with so great inconveniences deformities hath so vnprofitably practised For can there be any greater deformitie By discipline of Bishopply excommunication one may bee a community then that one member should be supposed to bee the whole body or that one man should make a communitie And yet this deformitie by his experience may fall out to bee seene even vnder that discipline which every ordinarie exerciseth For if by processe ex mero officio an ordinarie should excommunicate any one of his iurisdiction for not communicating with an idoll minister or for holding that Christ in his soule did not descend into hell or for denying reading to bee preaching and withall should pronounce all them to be men of stubbernes which would not shunne the company of him so excommunicated And for that cause also should excommunicate them as is here supposed lawful to be done were it not a cleare case that the body of that church must now be taken to consist only in the person of the ordinary one member to become the whole body For if all vnder his iurisdiction were once excoâ—â—municated how could then any bee in communion with him And if they all were once excommunicated must not the ordinary then alone be the common vnion and so make a communitie And what a deformed kinde of excommunication then is that kind of excommunication whereby it may fall out that to be one is to be many and that to bee a church a company a societie and a fellowâ—hip is to be one of which nature and of which kind that maner of excoÌ„munication which by Pastours and Elders is to be executed can not be as hath already bin proved If then excommunication now vsed be a deformed kinde of discipline and therefore as we say to be no more tollerated and if excommunication by Pastours and Elders bee a kind of discipline for the incoÌ„venience thereof as hee saith not to be planted what maner of discipline by excommunication would he haue in thâ—se dayes The Admonitor would haue no excommunication at all trowe we would hee haue none at all verely I suppose none at all For so doe â—his words plainely insinuate by two reaâ—â—s following First saith he the loose 〈…〉 of these dayes require discipline of â—â—arper lawes by punishment of body and danger of goods which they doe will more feare then they will excommunication Secondly wee haue saith he a very good maner of discipline by the Ecclesiasticall commission which doeth much good and would do more if it were more common But why did he not speake plainely and why did he not affirme devoutly that discipline by excommunication was good where the church was in persecution and that it is not necessary nor so convenient vnder a Christian Magistrate as it may be otherwise For if Pastors and Elders were appointed ioynt officers only for timâ—s of persâ—cution and not to be vnder Christian Princes it followeth these ioynt officers ceasing that al accessaries appeÌ„dices and consequences of their ioynt offices must also cease vnlesse it can bee proued out of the holy scriptures that the offices of Pastours ought stil to continue that the offices of Elders ought not to continue because the offices of Elders with all their appendices haue bene translated by our Saviour Christ vnto Archbishoppes Bishops Archdeacons their Chancelours Commissaries and Officials For vnlesse these Officers be Christs Officers the discipline which they vse cannot bind the consciences of the people of God And for this cause is it very probable that he so coÌ„mendeth discipline of sharper lawes discipline by the Ecclesiasticall commission For if these officers by their discipline haue not to doe with the consciences of men then is it no merveyle that men feare not their discipline And therefore if they wil be stil officers it is requisite that they call for such a discipline as might cause men to stand in awe of their authoritie But were they indeed the officers of God and had they indeede authoritie from God to execute discipline by excommunication as Pastours and Elders did in the primitive Church then were the loosenes of this age never so great yet that the children of God in Englande would more feare the losse of goodes landes bodies or lives then the censure of Gods officers is one of the Admonitors paradoxes And here I appeale the consciences of all the reverend Bishops and Prelates in the lande and let them answere me hardly if they iudge themselues to be the children of God had seven times seven thousand liues whether they had not rather seven thousand times be coÌ„mitted to the Iaylor of Winchester then once be delivered over to the Iaylor of Hell And are not all the children of God in Englande their brethren And are they not all led by one and the selfe same spirit And how then can they lesse feare excommunication which is a delivery of the soule to Sathan then the punishment of body and danger of goods And yet touching this point of excommunication he seemeth Admonitor supposeth it to be a fault not to excoÌ„municate that Prince and Rulers and
insinuate your selves into their companies you have tabled and boorded with the same parties and that you or one of you have bene heeretofore coÌ„vented for the causes aforesaid before the now lord Archb. his grace for enterteyning into your house a person whiche stood then and yet standed suspended deprived for disliking the booke of common prayer and other godly orders established by her Maiesties authoritie in this Realme Item we obiect vnto you the said G. B. and L. yourwife that you have not frequented divine service celebrated within your parish Church of Bothese vi 5. 4. 3. 2. or one yeares last nor doe not at this present at least every Sunday nor have receyved the holy Communion within your said parish Church during the saide yeares Quere whether the Bishop did not more offend the lawe of God by preferring these articles then the Gentleman did by procuring his children to bee Baptised by a preaching Minister having none at home Item that you the saide G. B. and L. your wife within the time aforesaid haue not Christened nor baptized your children within your parish Church but contrarie to the forme and order of hir Maiesties lawes in that case provided have eyther christened them at home privatelie in your owne house or have caried or caused them to be caried to other Churches And let them declare what Church and what Minister did baptise them and where and whether the same Minister did at the same baptisme signe the childe with the signe of the crosse and lett them declare the cause why they did baptize their children out of their parish Item that the Ministers pew or seate in the church of B. aforesaid by the directioÌ„ Note that the Bishop of L. was not Bishop of the Diocesse of the L. reverend Father in God the Bb. of L. that now is being at the same Church as also by the consent of the Minister and Church-Wardens there was placed in a verie convenient place of the Church to the end the parishioners there might the better heare and vnderstand the Minister at the time of reading the divine service Item we obiect vnto you that you the said F. B. within these vi or 3. monethes last past have without anie sufficient warrant or commaundement from the father in God the Lord Bishoppe of L. or his Chancelour or other having authoritie therein very disorderly and contemptuouslie remooved the same seat to the great offence of the parishioners and bad example of others Item we obiect vnto you that you know beleeue or have heard say that Za. G. is a Preacher of the word of God and a man of good life and conversation lawfull Parson of B. aforesaid Item we obiect vnto you that the premises notwithstanding you the said F. B. vpon a Sunday within a quarter of a yeare last past when the Parishioners of B. were assembled together at the saide Church to heare divine seruice caused divers serving men and others to sit in the pew or place which properly belonged to the Parson of the said Church so that when the saide M. G. came to take his place they thrust him and very disorderlie in the time of prayer kept him out of the said place Item wee obiect vnto you F. B. that about six yeares past you the saide F. brought into the Towne of B. a bastard child as it is credibly thought of your owne and there placed it at nurse and haue lately receyved it into your owne house to the great offence of the inhabitantes there and the bad example of others Et obijcimê° cu m duê° de quolibet Subscribed c. Wherevnto in the foote of these articles was added Maister B. I pray you let this matter be followed ex officio and the parties presently to be sent for by warrant Subscribed c. Now these Gentlemen according to the Bishoppes direction being presently sent for by a Pursevant to aunswere the articles obiected they foorthwith make their repayre to the Archbishop with a copie of the articles with whom they finde such grace as in their behalfe immediatly hee writeth to the Bishoppe as followeth SAlutem in Christo My very good Lorde I haue by meanes received these articles enclosed signed by your Lordsh hand and can not but greatly merveyle that contrary to the orders of the commission Court subscribed by your selfe the rest of the CoÌ„missioners you would cause a Gentleman of such a qualitie as Maister B. is to be sent for by a Pursevant before the ordinarie processe of a letter missiue Note that the signe of the crosse in Baptisme by an Archb. opinion is but of smal moment that suspicion of bastardie may easilie be dismissed were served vpon him especially for matters of so small moment Neither will it bee thought to proceede of any iust cause but rather of some other misconceyte when it shal be vnderstood that there is a controversie in lawe elsewhere depending betwene him and a kinsman of yours And therefore for the avoyding of his further complaint and other offence that may grow thereby I heartely pray your Lordship to suppresse the same and proceed no further therein Desiring you withall to haue due consideration of the cause least I be enforced to deale likewise in the defence of my kinsman as you doe for yours And so praying your Lo. Note that the 17. of Octo. was the Saboth day at what time the Archb. D. C. and D. B. sitting as Commissioners thâ— Archb. took pen inke and crossed the articles all overthwart and so sent them backe with this letter to returne vnto me aunswere herevnto what you meane to doe with my very heartie commendacions I commit you to the tuition of Almightie God FroÌ„ c. the 17. of Octo. c. Subscri c Vnto which letter also was added as followeth Maister B. I pray you according to the tenor of this letter to see that this cause of M. G. and F. B. bee dismissed from thence and if any be bouÌ„d to prosecute the cause against them let them vnderstand that I meane to heare it at c. otherwise let it wholie be dismissed and the bandes delivered The Bishoppes aunswere to the Archbishops former letters MAy it please your grace to vnderstand that I was the more willingly drawen to sende for Ma. B. in that sort because he was oft and of long time accused not only to be a disordered man him selfe but also a great and open mainteyner and carier from place to place of that wrangling puritane W. And as it is to bee prooued a refrainer from his church and from the CoÌ„munion as I am enformed And therefore if we haue omitted any circumstance or ceremonie it is in zeale of the redresse of such a disordered person Which if it should be fouÌ„d in your own brother I thinke your grace would not spare him Neuerthelesse if you yourselfe take it in hand to his redresse I for my part
should we think Prelacie to be but eyther Oligarchie or Tyrannie For neither Monarchie may it be neyther Pollicie Prelacie either Oligarchie or tyrannie or polliticall estate can it be and other kinde of government besides these there is not anie For my part I more charitably iudge of the government of the Church by Prelacie then to match it with Tyrannie And although the Admonitor and the Pervsers and allowers of his booke were men in their generation wise yet had they well weighed the nature of the goverment of Oligarchie they would rather in this argumēt haue bin silent then vpon disclayme of Democracie and Aristocracie goverments both of them commendable in their kinde haue cast the commendation of their owne goverment of the Church by Prelacie to so desperat an estate as is the estate of Oligarchie Wherein if any doe glorie because not many of the best but some fewe of the wealthiest and richest sort doe governe then lett him hearken and cōsider what long since was preached before Pope Vrban the fifte by Act. Mo. one Nicolas Orem a man singularly commended for learning in his time Nicholas Orem his opinion of Oligarchie Amongst all the regiments of the Gentiles none saith he is more to be found wherein is to bee seene so great and exceeding ods thē in the policie of Priests Amongst whom one is drunken another is sterved amongst whom some be so high that they exceed all Nobles Princes of the Earth some againe be so abased that they are vnder all rascalls and such a common weath saith hee may well bee called Oligarchie But Thomas Aquinas he seemeth to set the discommodities of Oligarchie a pinne Thomas Aquinas what hee thinketh of Oligarchie higher for saith hee as a Kingdome hath in it the commodities of all other good regiments of Aristocracie that the Noblest and chiefest persons among Aristocracie a good regiment the people be taken to Councell of Policie or politicall estate where an assemblie of all estates is had whē the very best of all sorts are chosen to consult and deliberate of the publique weale so doeth Tyrannie conteine and hath in it all incommodities and vices of all naughtie corrupt regiments of Oligarchie it borroweth that the most wicked Oligarchie a corrupt regiment corruptest men be Counsaylors that as it were a route of Tyrants doe govverne The reasons and pillers of which Oligarchie are immoderatnes excessivenes disparitie and inequalitie passing and beyond all meane and measure Now if our reverend Bb. shall shew them selues to bee mal-contented with mee as though out of the opinions of these learned men I would gather that the governement of the Church by Prelacie is one of the corruptest governements I am to desire them to haue patience vntill they shall plainly demonstrate vnto vs that the same is not Oligarchie For if hereafter they shall revoke their former disgraceful iudgmēts against the discipline by Pastors and Elders conteyning in it the very nature of true Aristocracie and withall instruct vs better of the true nature of their own governement of the Church by Prelacie they shall finde vs plyable to their opinion so that it be grounded vpon the principles and reasons of trueth In the meane season after the fashion of the Admonitors maner of admonishing the people wee most humbly beseech the King and Parleament to bee enformed that it is greatly to be feared if Prelacie be Oligarchie that the Prelates will endevour It is to bee feared least by the exāple of Prelates Oligarchie bee brought in the common weale to transferre that maner of goverment frō the Church vnto the common weale And that the cōmon weale shall as miserably be rent torne with factions vproares as now the church is disquieted by schismes and divisions For if only a few of the richest and welthiest sort shal get an head and beare all the sway in the cōmon weale they shall thinke by the principles and reasons of Oligarchie that they haue iniury if they haue not as much to do in civil matters as the Prelats haue to doe in the matters of the Church And what hereof may follow as the Admonitor leaveth so doe I also leaue it to the iudgement of other Onelie if the way hereof alreadie hath bin troden out vnto them by some who A caueat against Oligarchie haue not written nor spoken but yet practised the principles and reasons of Oligarchie in the common weale onelie then this I say and adde as a caveat that the daunger to come is more heedefully to be prevēted For like as in good harmonie to make the Musike perfaict is required a moderate proportionate inequalitie of voyces which if it too much exceed taketh away all the sweet melodie so by too much immoderate inequalitie or disparitie of Citizens the common weale falleth to ruine But why may not the governement of the The gouerment of the Church by Prelacie is not Monarchicall Church by Prelacie be a Princely and a Royall governement In deed this question if it should be resolued by the rules and principles of the canon law I could hardly disproue that government to be Princelike for as hath bin saide before quilibet Ordinarius in sua Diocoesi est maior quolibet Principe Yea and every Bishop by the same lawe hath as absolute a spirituall power within his Diocesse as a Kinge hath a temporall power within his Kingdome But because that law with the rules principles thereof is or ought to be discarded out of this Kingdome we will not wade in it Only we say that the governement of the Church by Prelacie cannot bee any kinde of Royall and Monarchicall governement because Prelates haue not like power spirituall as Kings and Monarches haue power rēporall For there was never yet lex regia de Prelatorum spirituali imperio lata qua Prelatis Institut de iure natur gent ci § Sed quod in eos omne imperium suum potestatem aut Deus aut populus Dei contulerit And therfore where the people haue made the fore said regall law as there it is iustly said quodcunque Imperator per epistolam constituit vel cognoscens decreuit vel edicto praecepit legem esse constat and quod Principi placuit legis habet vigorem So likewise where there is no such regall law made in the church there it is as iustly affirmed quod Prelato placuit legis non habei vigorem quodcunque Prelatus per epistolam constituit cognoscens decrevit vel canone praecepit legem non esse constat And then how can every Prelate or why doth everie Prelate by his sole authoritie inioyne canons articles iniunctions and orders to be observed as lawes in all the Churches of his iurisdiction If the Admonitor supposed the governement If the gouvernment of the Church by Prelacie bee Monarchicall thē may the government by Pastors be
manner thereof is none other manner of gouerment nor forme of The maner of policie by Pastors and Elders in the Church is agreeable to the government in the cōmō weale pollicie thē such as they and their progenitors and Ancestors for many hundred yeares togither without interruption haue vsed and enioyed in the common weale And that therefore it will be a very easy matter to transferre the same to the gouerment of the Church For by the reasons and principles of their own gouerment in the common weale and by the sence feeling thereof they may wel be induced to thinke that they haue iniurie if they haue not as much to doe in matters of the Church as they haue to doe in matters of the common weale seeing they touch their commoditie and benefitt spiritually as the other doeth temporally And withall on the other side I shall doe my best indeavour to aduertise them that the gouernement of the Church by Prelacie is such a maner of gouernment as was neuer yet The government of the Church by Prelacie disagreeable to the government vsed in the common weale in the administration of iustice by any subiect no not touching the outward forme thereof once admitted into any part of common weale and that therefore the same if it may please the King will very easely bee sent and transmarined vnto Rome frō whence it first came where it had it originall and birth-right And to the end that we may clearelie discerne whether the nature of the gouerment of the Church by Prelacie or the nature of the gouerment desired to be planted by Pastors and Elders be more agreable to the nature of the pollicie receaued and vsed both by the Nobles and common people in the common weale it is necessarie that the manners and formes both of Prelaticall Pastorall gouernment be made familiar vnto the minde of the Reader And because wee haue alreadie declared the manner of the election and confirmation both of a Bishopp into his Episcopall Sea of a Minister into his Pastorall charge what the one is by the lawe alreadie established and what the other by a law desired to be established ought to be wee will not any more speake of their entrāce into eyther of their places vnles only a litle to recreate the Reader we merely note what answere some Bb. haue made when as long chasing after Bishopricks they haue chafed in their minds for feare of loosing their pray as was the answere of that Italian Bishopp The answer of an Italian Bishop loth to loose his Bishopricke who beeing thrise demaunded of the Archb. as the manner is vis Episcopari vis Episcopari vis Episcopari and being willed by one standing by thrise againe to aunswere as the maner is nolo nolo nolo He making no bones at the matter aunswered aloude with an oath Proh Deum dedine ego tot milia Florenorum pro volo Episcopari iam debeo dicere nolo or as was the answere of that English Bishop who having promised a Courtier one annuitie of xx pound during The answer of an English Bishop having obteyned his congedelier his life out of his Bishopricke if he could procure the speedie sealing of his congedelier within a while after whē it was sealed he rapt out an oath sware by Iesus God that the same Gentleman had done more for him then an other great Courtier who before hande for that purpose had receyued frō him one thousand markes But whether all Bishoppes buye their congedeliers dearer or better cheape is not a matter incident to this treatise onlie if they buie deare they may happelie think with them selues that they may sell deere vendere iure potest emerat ille prius setteth not anie price vpon any wares in the Royall exchange But to returne to our purpose whence by occasion of those Bishoplie oathes and answeres wee haue a little digressed let vs see what is the maner The maner of the administration of spiritual iustice in the Church by Prelacie and forme of the administration of spirituall iustice in the gouernment of the Church by Prelacie as the same is ordinarilie administred in all places throughout the Church of Englande Wherein that we be not mistaken it is to be vnderstood that the maner of administratiō of iustice wherof we speak is that administration of iustice onlie whiche respecteth the punishment of crimes eccllesiasticall to be inflicted by spirituall censures In all which cases penances suspension and excommunications in the Bishops consistorie proceed from the iudgement and authoritie of the Bishoppe alone if he bee present or from the sentence and power of his Vicar generall or Cōmissarie alone if he be absent Nay doth not everi such censure likewise in the Archdeacons consistorie proceede from the sole authoritie of the Archdeacon or if he bee absent from the sole authoritie of his officiall But if the like course of the execution of Iustice as this is can not be found to be an ordinarie course of Iustice in the common weale where Iustice is administred in criminall causes by the ministerie of a subiect I would faine learne what preiudice may be feared to redound vnto the cōmon weale if the administration of spirituall Iustice after a sort were established to be after the same manner in the Church after which civill Iustice is alreadie practised in the common weale I said after a sort to this end least I should bee mistaken For the meaning is not that spirituall Iustice should bee ministred exactly in No one subiect in the cōmon weale can alone exercise civill iustice in causes criminall every respect after the maner of civill Iustice but the comparison standeth onlie in this that as not any one temporall subiect alone hath authoritie to heare to examine and to iudge any one criminall cause in any Court of civill iustice in the common weale so likewise that not any one spirituall person alone should haue authoritie to be examiner and iudge of any one criminall cause in any Court of spirituall Iustice in the Church For if certain principall The administration of spiritual Iustice by Pastors Elders agreeable to the execution of civill iustice in the common weale godly persons associated vnto a learned and zealous Pastor in the presence and with the consent and authoritie of the people of every Parish did enioyne penance suspend or excommunicate a spirituall offendor were not this forme of administration of spirituall iustice more consonant agreeable and conformable to the daily executiō of civill Iustice in the Courts of the cōmon weale then is the administration of spirituall Iustice by the Bishopp alone or by his Vicar general alone in his Consistorie and to make this matter more familiar in the mind of the Reader for an instāce or two let vs suppose that Mai. Doctor Bancroft were still Parson of S. Andros Maister D. Bancroft with his assistāts letter able to
and followes and vnto such like Officers fellowes The Cathedral The goverment in Cathedral churches not by one alone churches their livings and their landes their revenues their dividents their chapiters and their conferencies depend vpon the will and disposition of the Deane and Chapiter and not of the Bishop alone Neither can the Bishoppe Ex. de exces Prela c. 〈◊〉 Exc. de 〈◊〉 quaes cons cap c. novit alone by any ancient canon lawe pretended to be in force place or displace excommunicate or absolue any ecclesiasticall person without the iudgment of the Chapiter And aswell by a statute 21. H. 8. c. 13. as also by the booke of consecrating Archbishops c. the presence of divers Ministers and the people is required at the ordination of every Minister As for the deposition or degradation of Ministers vnder the correctiō whether the degradation of a Minist be warantable of the reverend Bb. be it spoken I thinke they haue not so much as any colour of any law for it The forme of the degradation of a Popish and sacrificing Priest by the canon law can bee no pretexte to degrade a Minister of the Monsieur de Plesis 164. in the seconde book of the Masse Gospel because a Minister of the Gospel is not set into his charge per calicem patinam with a cup full of wine dish full of hostes Neither receaveth he any charecter at al of a shaveling Priest And because a Minister of the Gospell is ordeyned onely after that manner which the statute lawe hath appointed howe should the ordination made by so high an authoritie bee vndone by any other power vnto the former maners of the administration of the causes of the Vniversities Colledges and Cathedrall churches may bee added the execution of ecclesiasticall iurisdiction committed heretofore by the Queene vnto the ecclesiasticall Commissioners For althoug by the words of the statute her Highnes had full power and authoritie The ecclesiastical commissiō exercised by manie commissioners and not by one by her letter patents to assigne name and authorize any one person a naturall borne subiect to execute spirituall iurisdiction yet neverthelesse according to the laudable vsages and customes of her kingdome and Courts temporal shee evermore authorised not one alone but diuers sundrie aswell temporall as ecclesiasticall persons for the execution thereof Which manner of commissiō because the reverend Bb. commend the same and avowe that it would doe more good if it were more common it cannot but seeme to bee a most gratefull thing vnto all good men especiallie vnto those reuerend Fathers if humbly wee beseech the Kinge that his Highnes would be pleased to make it more common And therefore in the The ecclesiastical commission commanded by the Bb. if it please the king may be enlarged vnto all Parishes wherein are godlie preaching Ministers behalfe aswell of the reverend Bb. as of all the learned and graue Doctors and Pastors of every church we most instātly intreat our most gracious Souverayne Lord the King that where in any Parish there shal be found a learned preaching Minister resident vpō his benefice that there he would be pleased by his authoritie Royal vnder the broad Seale to enable him and some other godly and faithfull Knights Esquires Gentlemen Citizens Borough-Maisters or other chief men of the same Parish to execute spirituall Iustice against drūkards adulterers swearers raylers and such like ecclesiasticall offendours inhabitants only within the same Parish For in this case we say as the reuerend Bb. say bonum quò communius eò melius If any No exceptiō to be taken against lay Elders to be authorized by the king in every Parish sithence the king authorizeth laie Elders in everie ecclesiasticall cōmission exception should be taken or challenge made scoffinglie and with scornefull termes against these lay parochians as heretofore hath bin vsed against laie elders or lay Aldermen as they call thē let him that taketh such exception advise him selfe wel and remember before he speake that in speaking he controle not the policie the practise the wisdom the authoritie both of our late Queen deceased and of our Souverayne Lord the King now raigning who authorized and doth authorize lay-men to bee ecclesiasticall commissioners Which kind of lay men or lay Elders as they call them that they haue ioyned in the exercise of the chiefest censure of the Church viz. excommunication with ecclesiasticall persons hath bin already proved by the sentence of excommunicatiō pronounced against E. by Maister W. and his associates whereof diuers were laie-men Againe if one laie Elder dwelling at Winchester may call and ssociate vnto him self one ecclesiasticall Elder dwellinge at S. Georges in Southwarke to excōmunicate any Parochian or Minister subiect vnto the iurisdiction of the Archdeacō of Surrey in what Parish soeuer of the same iurisdiction the partie shall dwell if it be lawfull I say Discipline of excommunication exercised by one laie Elder and one ecclesiastiall Elder for euerie ordinarie to ioyne one laie Elder one ecclesiasticall Elder together in cōmission the one to pronounce sentence of contumacie the other to denounce sentence of excōmunication for everie spirituall contumacie committed within his iurisdiction what reason can any man pretend why it should not be much more lawfull for the King by his Royall authoritie to apoint a learned preaching Pastor with the assistance of some cōpanie of faithfull inhabitants of the same Parish to exercise all maner of spiritual iustice within their own parish If the King shall stand in doubt whether any Discipline by excommunicatiō be exercised after this and this maner in the church of Englande then to put his Highnes out of all doubt hereof may it please the King to consider the precept of the reverend Bishoppes made in their convocation togither with the practise of the venerable Archdeacon of Surr. following The precept is this Vnusquisque Articlo pro clero c. de quibusdam circa excom excessib coercend 1584. Vicarius generalis officialis seu Commissarius qui ordines ecclesiastico non susceperit eruditum aliquem presbyterum sibi accerset associabit qui sufficienti authoritate vel ab ipso Episcopo in iurisdictione sua vel ab Archidiacono presbytero existente in iurisdictione sua munitus idque ex praescripto iudicis tunc praesentis excommunicationis sententiam pro contumacia denunciabit Everie Vicar generall Officiall or Commissarie which hath not taken vpon him ecclesiasticall orders shall call and associate vnto him some learned Presbyter who being armed with sufficient authoritie from the Bishopp in his iurisdiction or from the Archdeacon beeing a Presbyter in his iurisdiction shall denounce that by the prescript of the Iudge present the sentence of excommunication for contumacie Now the maner of the D. Hones practise of the Bishopps article practise of this precept ensueth in these wordes Iohannes Hone legum Doctor Officialis
authorized disposed or established in particularitie the order of these thinges or if the Scripture haue not delivered everie ceremonie forme or circumstance about these three things shall not the Minister therefore minister these or any of these three things at all And suppose I pray you that neither this nor anie other law had in particularitie appointed the ceremonie of the Crosse the ceremonie of Godfathers or any other ceremonie in Baptisme or that the Law had not appoynted the ceremonie of kneeling or any other ceremonie at the celebration of the Lords Supper should not the Minister therefore minister neither Baptisme nor the Lords Supper in the charge committed vnto him yes he should And why forsooth because he hath promised so to doe and because the Lorde hath commaunded him so to doe Besides sithence everie Minister by vertue of his promise and force of this law is bound to teach the doctrine of Christ to the people of his charge notwithstanding he be not tyed by the law of the Realm nor by the holy Scripture to any rite ceremonie or circumstance or to any exact forme or particuler maner in teaching what reason can any maÌ„ pretend that the not particularizing of al rites ceremonies or circumstances in the Scripture or the not establishing of any order by the law of the Realm touching discipline should altogether hinder everie Minister from the administration of al discipline in the church For as touching the aunswere that the Ministers may and doe exercise not the Answere to the abstract Pag. 59. least partes of Discipline of declaring by doctrine according to the worde of God mens sinnes to be bound and loosed and the censure of rebuking and reproving Pag. 55. openlie and that the discipline Discipline of declaring by doctrine is called discipline erroneouslie which the Minister is to execute reacheth no further then to reach his Parish with all diligence to keepe and observe so much of the Doctrine Sacramentes and Discipline of Christ as apperteineth vnto them as touching this aunswere I say it is as erroneous as the former were frivoulous and impeâ—tinent For as consolation and comfort by way of exhortation so reprofe and sharpe rebuking by way of dehortatioÌ„ belong properlie to that part of the Ministers function which concerneth the binding and loosing of sinners by doctrine and not by discipline and is but an application of the doctrine to a wounded or seared coÌ„science Hee therefore that leaveth no other Discipline to be executed by the Pastor of the church then of declaring by doctrine mens sinnes to bee bound or loosed and by teaching his Parish to obserue doctrine sacraments and discipline Discipline doctrine confounded by the Answerer confoundeth the matters both of discipline and doctrine Againe if not any other discipline was ment to be attributed to everie Minister then such as is declared by doctrine theÌ„ these words viz. and the discipline of Christ were superfluouslie and idellie added by the Parleament For then had it bene sufficient for the Parleament to haue enioyned the Bishopp to demaund of the Minister onely this and no more viz. Whether will you giue all faithfull diligence to Minister the Doctrine and Sacraments of Christ There is therefore some other kind of discipline of Christ intendeth by the Parleament to be attributed The Parleament intendeth some other discipline then of declaring by doctrine vnto euerie Minister and wherewith also the law of the Realm doth enable euerie Minister then is this maner of discipline of declaring by doctrine teaching the people And this discipline also must needs be vnderstood to be of the spirituall censures of the Church because Christ neuer instituted any other discipline And therefore because our opposites agree with vs in a generalitie that the doctrine Sacraments and Answere to the abstract 55. 60. discipline of Christ are to be Ministred as the Lord hath commaunded onlie none otherwise and yet neuertheles doe dissent from vs touching the persons by whom this discipline is to be ministred because say they everie particuler ceremonie rite or circumstance of externall policie are not set downe in scripture because of this their answere I say it is to be coÌ„sidered First vnto what persons the function of the ministration of the discipline of Christ by the holy Scriptures is coÌ„mitted Secondlie whether the same persons with their functions be arbitrable ceremonious rituall or circuÌ„stantiall to be altered chaÌ„ged by authoritie of the Church as thinges To what persons the discipline of Christ by the scriptures is committed whether the persons bee arbitrable or no. indifferent yea or no. To the first seeing to one and the selfe same person the holie Scriptures attribute these two names Bishop and Pastor thereby signifying what are the two duties which belong to the same one person and seeing also no one person by Gods word is called a Bishop or Pastour in regard of Phil 1. 1. his fellow brethren the other Bishopps Tit. 9. 1. 5. 7. or Pastours but in regard of his owne flocke which he overseeth and seeing 1 Tim. 3. 1â— also in well ordered Churches by the ordinance of God certeyne men of approved godlines called according to the common name of the Hebrewes by the common name of Elders whom partly calleth governors were ioyned as ecclesiasticall Magistrats to the Bishop 1 Cor. 12. 28. Pastor or teaching Elder by whose coÌ„mon direction authoritie ecclesiasticall discipline was practised seeing I say these things are so we affirme that the persons to whom the ministratioÌ„ of the discipline of Christ rightlie belongeth are the persons onlie aboue specified and none other And further we say if any spirituall Discipline or power which directlie belongeth vnto the conscience The Discipline of Christ prophaned if the same be ministred by other persons then the holie scriptures doe appoint be ministred in the church by any other persons theÌ„ by those persons only that the same discipline is not to be called the discipline but a mere prophanation of the Discipline of Christ For as it is vnlawfull for any person to vsurpe any part of the Bishopps or Pastors office which consisteth in spiritual teaching the word and administring the sacraments so is it also vnlawfull for any person to vsurpe any parte of a Bishopps Pastors or Elders office which consisteth in spirituall rule and gouernment Whervpon it secondlie followeth that the same persons with their functions are not arbitrable ceremoniall rituall and circumstanciall as things indifferent to be altered by the authoritie of the church but perpetuall substanciall essentiall and as it were the verie mayne and fundamentall pillers to vphold stay the house of God from all spirituall sliding and falling downe And therefore from the execution of the discipline of Christ we seclude the persons of all humane Archbishopps humane Bishoppes Suffraganes Archdeacons Chauncelors Commissaries Officials and all Rowland Allens because their persons
together with their functions are arbitrable ceremonious rituall traditionall or circumstanciall yea and removeable at the pleasure of the King and State Neither doth this disagree from that A Bishopp Pastor and Elder and our Lorde B. diffu which was erst sayd of a Bb. or Pastor that they be all one in respect of their function For it is not sayd that an humane Bishop and Pastor but that a Bb. and Pastor are all one For a Bb. simplie so called is not a Bishopp and Pastor in respect of his fellowe brethren but only in regard of his flocke which he ouerseeth feedeth and ruleth But a humane what a lord Bishopp is Bishopp is hee that is promoted vnto this dignitie by man and who by mans authoritie taketh vpon him superoritie preheminence ouer them which are equall vnto him touching their function that intangleth himselfe with civill gouernment and wordlie affaires and whose Bishopplie office consisteth not so much in the dispensation of Gods worde and Sacraments as in Lordlie Bishoplie apparell Crossing with the signe of the crosse confirmation of children sole imposition of hands sole excommunication sole enioyning of articles vpō the people and Clergie of his Diocesse consecration of oratories delegation of his episcopall authoritie to his Suffragane Vicar generall and principall officiall and other such humane and Bishopplie functions All which are after the customes preceptes and traditions of men And albeit D. O. by vertue of the Queenes congedelier were chosen by the Deane and Chapter of Lichfield in episcopum Pastorem ecclesiae Lichfieldensis yet is hee never intituled The Lorde Bishoppe of Lichfield is neuer honored with the title of being Lorde Pastor with the dignitie of being the Lord Pastor but onely with the honor of being the Lord Bishop of Lichfield so that one and the self same person being a Bishop and a Pastor may be a Lord Bishop over Pastours but not a Pastor over Pastors Wherevpon it followeth that the Pastorall Pastoral authoritie of a Lord Bb of other Pastours is equall authoritie which hee hath in common with his brethren the other Pastors of his Diocesse is of no superioritie or proheminence aboue theirs and that touching the function both of his and their Pastorall cure charge there is a paritie betwene him and them by reason whereof he can haue no power over them because par in parem non habet imperium But why is it that he can not be called Pastor Pastorum ecclesiae Lichfieldensis Lord Pastor of the Pastors of the Church of Lichfield and yet may be called Dominus Episcopus Pastorum ecclesiae Lichfieldensis Lord Bishoppe of the Pastors of the Church of Lichfield Why but only for that there is custome tradition and the lawe of man for his episcopall iurisdiction and for that his pastorall function if hee haue any belongeth vnto him in common with his brethren the other Pastors iure divino The Bishoppe then having these two severall Whether a lord Bishop minister the doctrine sacrament and discipline of Christ by vertue of his lordlie episcopal or pastorall office and distinct offices imposed vpon his person the one by divine the other by humane lawe the one humane and episcopall the other without pompe pastorall there ariseth from thence this question by which of those two functions hee may lawfullie I meane according to Gods lawe minister the Doctrine Sacramēts censures of Christ If it be aunswered that it is lawfull for him by vertue of his Pastorall office to minister the doctrine and Sacramentes and by force of his humane Episcopall office to minister the censures of Christ then is not the answere fitted to the question the same being made â bene coniunctis ad male divisa For the censures of Christ as well as the doctrine of Christ being simplie of divine ordināce it must followe if his episcopall power be only of humane right pastoral power only of divine institution that the censures may be ministred by authoritie derived only from mā but the doctrine and sacraments by power derived onlie from God Which commixion of divine and humane right in the execution of the ordinances of God can no maner of wayes be sound pure and sincere and therefore also can not be pleasing vnto God For no more can the censures of Christ to the pleasure of God bee lawfullie administred by the authoritie of any one whose function is of man and not of God then could the sacrifice of God be offered by one who was a priest of man and not of God Now that humane episcopalitie or Bishoppisme in the Church of England is authorized and deduced from the power and law of Lordlie episcopalitie authorized onlie by the lawe of the Realme man viz. of the King Realme alone is evident as well by the donation endowment of the auncient Bishoprickes founded by the Kingly prerogatives of the Kings of this Realme as by the erection and establishment of the new Bishoprickes of Chester Gloucester Bristoll Peterborough and Oxford with their cathedrall Churches Seas Cities meeres and boundes of those humane Bishoppes for the exercise of their episcopall administration according to an act of Parleamēt authorizing the Kings Highnes to make Bishoppes by his letters patentes Nay further that humane episcopall iurisdiction within the meres Note that King Henry the eight by letters patents made Bb. therefore c. and boundes of every Diocesse within England is merelie of humane and not of divine iustitution appeareth by that power and authoritie which the Kinge hath in translating dissolving of Bishoprickes in conserving episcopall iurisdiction 31. H. 〈◊〉 c. 9 sometimes to such persons as be no Bishopps as did William the Cōquerour when he gaue Episcopall power to the Abbot of Battayle and lastlie by the verie maner and forme of the nomination licēce of election authoritie of investiture confirmation and consecration of Archbishoppes and Bishops established by the more positive lawe of the Realme But if it be aunswered that 25. H. 8. c. 20. the Bishoppe by his humane episcopall power doth minister the doctrine Sacraments and discipline of Christ then is the case worse with him then it was before because then not onlie the Discipline of Christ but also the doctrine Sacramentes of Christ should be ministred by that authoritie whiche is of humane institution Besides the answer should be vntrue because the Bishoppe at the time of his cōsecration doth not receyue anie authoritie to preache the worde and minister the Sacraments for that authoritie was then commited vnto him when first he was ordeyned to be a presbyter But the authorite which he receyueth at the time of his consecration is to correct and punish such as bee vnquiet disobedient and criminous within his Diocesse Whereby once againe is that confirmed which was erst said viz. That episcopall power in Englande is not of divine but of humane institution Especiallie for that