Selected quad for the lemma: church_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
church_n	authority_n	bishop_n	episcopal_a	2,779	5	10.6212	5	false

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A13298	A rejoynder to the reply published by the Iesuites vnder the name of William Malone. The first part. Wherein the generall answer to the challenge is cleared from all the Iesuites cavills	Synge, George, 1594-1653.	1632 (1632)	STC 23604; ESTC S118086	381,349	430

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〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d our_o assurance_n this_o may_v 〈◊〉_d that_o unless_o 〈…〉_o something_o which_o 〈…〉_o we_o can_v not_o 〈◊〉_d we_o do_v 〈◊〉_d 〈…〉_o scripture_n i●_n a_o 〈◊〉_d and_o holy_a rule_n of_o 〈◊〉_d this_o place_n of_o the_o learned_a hooker_n presuppose_v but_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o that_o historical_a and_o what_o 〈◊〉_d this_o against_o the_o 〈◊〉_d their_o 〈◊〉_d of_o the_o church_n or_o be_v a_o 〈◊〉_d umpire_n and_o sufficient_a 〈◊〉_d to_o square_v our_o ●aith_n and_o action_n by_o for_o who_o know_v not_o that_o the_o heaven_n cover_v all_o thing_n and_o yet_o cover_v not_o themselves_o and_o what_o may_v hinder_v the_o scripture_n in_o like_a 〈◊〉_d to_o teach_v all_o 〈◊〉_d doctrine_n of_o faith_n and_o manner_n and_o yet_o not_o to_o point_v out_o themselves_o s._n augustine_n word_n be_v in_o every_o papist_n mouth_n viz._n that_o he_o will_v not_o bele●ve_v the_o scripture_n unless_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n have_v move_v he_o thereunto_o and_o yet_o he_o 〈◊〉_d all_o thing_n 〈◊〉_d ●aith_n and_o 〈◊〉_d to_o be_v 〈…〉_o in_o the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d ●●cam_fw-la but_o this_o necessary_a point_n of_o ●aith_n be_v a_o 〈◊〉_d o●_n 〈…〉_o in_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d second_o the_o jesuite_n abuse_v his_o 〈◊〉_d for_o the_o church_n testimony_n hare_o and_o alone_o begot_v but_o opinion_n in_o hooker_n judgement_n for_o say_v ●o_o the_o more_o we_o b●stow_v 〈…〉_o read_n and_o learn_v the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o more_o we_o 〈…〉_o thing_n it_o 〈◊〉_d ●●th_v answer_v 〈◊〉_d receive_v 〈…〉_o that_o the_o 〈…〉_o with_o ●●_o before_o 〈◊〉_d ●●w_o much_o more_o 〈◊〉_d when_o the_o very_a thing_n 〈◊〉_d minister_v further_a 〈◊〉_d and_o therefore_o hooker_n word_v make_v ●●thing_v against_o the_o 〈…〉_o for_o 〈…〉_o the_o 〈◊〉_d of_o god_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d to_o 〈◊〉_d the_o way_n by_o 〈…〉_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d which_o convince_v to_o believe_v the_o scripture_n to_o be_v the_o word_n of_o ●_o ●_o lib._n ●_o 〈◊〉_d ●_o god_n 〈…〉_o and_o thus_o god_n 〈…〉_o give_v witness_n to_o his_o word_n do_v not_o take_v 〈…〉_o s●●●●ciency_n to_o declare_v who_o word_n they_o be_v and_o from_o what_o 〈◊〉_d they_o 〈◊〉_d any_o more_o than_o it_o do_v the_o sufficiency_n of_o their_o rule_n which_o consist_v of_o scripture_n and_o tradition_n also_o whereby_o the_o 〈◊〉_d may_v see_v he_o have_v produce_v this_o worthy_a author_n to_o no_o advantage_n ●●_o be_v plain_a that_o although_o there_o be_v something_o else_o to_o prepare_v the_o way_n objec●●●_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d sid_n form_n disp●_n 3._o sect_n 12._o n._n ●●●_o admitti_fw-la potest_fw-la ex_fw-la hum●na_fw-la authoritate_fw-la ge●●rari_fw-la quandam_fw-la fidem_fw-la humanam_fw-la praevia●●_n ad_fw-la fidem_fw-la 〈◊〉_d non_fw-la ●●●quam_fw-la 〈…〉_o well_fw-mi rationem_fw-la 〈◊〉_d ejus_fw-la 〈◊〉_d tanquam_fw-la ●●●ditionem_fw-la &_o applicative_o objec●●●_n yet_o the_o mind_n be_v altogether_o 〈◊〉_d by_o the_o ●●ght_n o●_n the_o scripture_n themselves_o the_o church_n point_v 〈◊〉_d ou●_n and_o they_o themselves_o 〈◊〉_d the_o church_n 〈◊〉_d so_o that_o the_o scripture_n remain_v the_o only_a 〈◊〉_d upon_o which_o a_o man_n 〈◊〉_d his_o faith_n for_o any_o thing_n the_o jesuite_n have_v pick●●_n out_o of_o this_o learned_a divine_a ●_o ●_o d._n field_n 〈◊〉_d his_o appendix_n to_o the_o book_n of_o the_o 〈◊〉_d par_fw-fr 2._o §._o ●_o 〈…〉_o will_v 〈◊〉_d and_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d all_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d ●●_o any_o way_n 〈…〉_o the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d where_o 〈…〉_o i_o have_v in_o my_o epistle_n 〈◊〉_d that_o all_o m●●_n 〈◊〉_d careful_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d which_o be_v the_o true_a 〈◊〉_d that_o so_o they_o may_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d follow_v her_o direction_n and_o rest_n in_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d charge_v ●●_o that_o ●●_o my_o four_o 〈◊〉_d follow_v i_o 〈◊〉_d she_o of_o almost_o all_o such_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d a●_n i_o 〈◊〉_d

〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d unto_o she_o so_o that_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d safe_o follow_v her_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d rest_n in_o her_o judgement_n in_o th●●_n i_o say_v general_a counceil_n may_v 〈◊〉_d in_o 〈◊〉_d of_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o church_n herself_o from_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d of_o christian_a religion_n and_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o all_o this_o be_v a_o ●ad_a beginning_n be_v a_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d he_o i_o lay_v down_o 〈…〉_o first_o that_o the_o church_n include_v in_o i●_n all_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d christ_n appear_v in_o the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o 〈◊〉_d of_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d second_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d all_o those_o 〈◊〉_d that_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d apostle_n time_n i●_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d all_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d happy_o not_o from_o all_o ignorance_n three_o that_o the_o church_n include_v 〈◊〉_d the_o ●eleivers_n live_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d free_v not_o only_o from_o 〈◊〉_d in_o such_o thing_n 〈…〉_o to_o 〈◊〉_d and_o 〈◊〉_d 〈…〉_o thing_n that_o any_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d to_o christian_a 〈◊〉_d and_o religion_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d without_o all_o doubt_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o judgement_n of_o the_o church_n in_o 〈…〉_o so_o ●●_o to_o the_o thing_n 〈◊〉_d in_o scripture_n or_o 〈◊〉_d by_o the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d that_o ●ath_v be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d because_o as_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o church_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d church_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d of_o 〈◊〉_d or_o rome_n but_o the_o universal_a church_n neither_o that_o universal_a church_n which_o 〈◊〉_d be_v gather_v together_o in_o a_o general_a council_n which_o be_v 〈◊〉_d sometime_o to_o have_v err_v but_o that_o which_o disperse_v through_o the_o world_n from_o the_o baptism_n of_o john_n continue_v to_o 〈◊〉_d time_n six_o that_o in_o the_o judgement_n of_o waldensis_n the_o father_n successive_o be_v more_o certain_a judge_n in_o matter_n of_o faith_n then_o a_o general_n council_n of_o bishop_n though_o it_o be_v in_o a_o sort_n the_o high_a court_n of_o the_o church_n as_o the_o treatiser_n say_v but_o say_v the_o jesuite_n if_o yet_o for_o all_o this_o our_o answerer_n will_v not_o be_v bring_v to_o build_v his_o conscience_n upon_o any_o other_o authority_n 32_o authority_n reply_v pag._n 32_o i_o perceive_v a_o little_a thing_n will_v beget_v con●idence_n 〈◊〉_d jesuite_n that_o be_v so_o lift_v up_o with_o produce_v two_o old_a objection_n to_o little_a purpose_n but_o what_o then_o why_o majora_fw-la his_o agreat_a one_o of_o our_o own_o shall_v school_v he_o a_o little_a better_o poo●e_a ●edant_n in_o what_o manner_n by_o tell_v he_o out_o of_o lyri●ensis_n that_o the_o ancient_a consent_n of_o godly_a father_n be_v with_o great_a car●_n not_o only_o to_o be_v search_v but_o also_o to_o be_v follow_v of_o we_o chief_o in_o the_o rule_n of_o faith_n ibid._n reply_v ibid._n as_o if_o the_o consent_n of_o father_n be_v the_o absolute_a rule_n of_o faith_n without_o scripture_n when_o you_o yourselves_o dare_v not_o attribute_v to_o any_o father_n authority_n &_o power_n to_o express_v the_o rule_n of_o faith_n by_o their_o bare_a consent_n for_o durand_n say_v that_o although_o the_o church_n have_v power_n of_o g●●_n on_o 〈◊〉_d yet_o that_o do_v not_o exceed_v th●_n limitation_n of_o the_o scripture_n scripturae_fw-la scripture_n durand_n ●●_o dist._n 44._o q._n 3._o ●_o 9_o ecclesia_fw-la licet_fw-la habet_fw-la in_o terris_fw-la dominationem_fw-la dei._n illa_fw-la tamen_fw-la ●on_n excedit_fw-la limitationem_fw-la scripturae_fw-la universal_a extent_n of_o doctrine_n be_v a_o good_a directory_n to_o truth_n but_o the_o absolute_a foundation_n of_o faith_n be_v the_o sacred_a scripture_n neither_o be_v we_o at_o all_o to_o give_v credit_n say_v the_o author_n of_o the_o imperfect_a work_n upon_o matthew_n among_o the_o work_n of_o chrysostome_n unto_o the_o church_n themselves_o unless_o 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pag._n 31_o infer_v thereby_o that_o those_o which_o fix_v their_o faith_n have_v not_o only_o divine_a testimony_n but_o also_o the_o judgement_n and_o belief_n of_o the_o best_a man_n to_o declare_v the_o same_o as_o good_a subsidiarie_n help_v to_o their_o convince_a ground_n which_o do_v not_o conclude_v that_o any_o authority_n beside_o the_o scripture_n be_v necessary_a but_o that_o it_o be_v a_o fair_a &_o convenient_a rule_n to_o bridle_v man_n fancy_n lest_o the_o scripture_n shall_v be_v wrest_v by_o they_o which_o be_v too_o much_o wed_v to_o their_o own_o conceit_n to_o patronage_n their_o error_n and_o what_o augustine_n give_v to_o bishop_n and_o counsel_n this_o learned_a bishop_n assent_v unto_o but_o i_o be_o assure_v that_o the_o jesuite_n will_v not_o be_v able_a to_o prove_v that_o s._n augustine_n ever_o embrace_v such_o a_o thought_n as_o to_o believe_v that_o the_o receive_n of_o humane_a testimony_n shall_v disable_v the_o scripture_n from_o be_v the_o only_o 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