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A32799 An account given to the Parliament by the ministers sent by them to Oxford in which you have the most remarkable passages which have fallen out in the six moneths service there ... particulary ... two conferences in which the ministers ... have suffered by reproaches and falshoods in print and otherwise : the chief points insisted on in those conferences are 1. whether private men may lawfully preach, 2. whether the ministers of the Church of England were antichristian ... 3. and lastly divers of Mr. Erbury's dangerous errours. ... Cheynell, Francis, 1608-1665. 1647 (1647) Wing C3806A; ESTC R28557 41,873 55

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same measure though not in the same manifestation as it dwelt in Christ whilest hee was here below in the flesh For the proofe of this damnable doctrine he alledged as we are informed these places of Scripture 1 Sam. 16. 13. compared with Heb. 2. 11 12. and Psalme 22. 22. Coloss. 1. 27. Coloss. 2. 9 10. John 17. 21 22 23 24. Ephes. 3. from v. 14. to the 19. 1 Cor. 12. 12. 2 Pet. 1. 4. Zach. 12. 8. Mark the Scripture doth not only say we shall bex one with God as Christ is but it sayth more we shall be as God But sayth he it will be objected That God hath anointed Christ above his fellows Heb. 1. 9. I answer sayth he this place is meant of being anointed with the Godhead but be it known to you Christ hath no more of the Godhead then we have and therefore is not anointed in greater measure then we are but onely in a greater manifestation and if we beleeve this we shall doe greater works then ever Christ did that Text then Heb. 1. 9. is meant only of the manifestation of the Godhead For as the soule is as much in the little finger as in the head so is there as much of the Godhead in the least member of Christ as there is in Christ himselfe I do sayth Master Earbury remember another Text that is urged by some to overthrow the doctrine which I have delivered which you may read in the third Chapter of John v. 34. 35. but the objection being specially grounded upon the 34 verse may be answered out of the 35 verse for sayth Master Earbury whatever God hath given to the Son he hath given to the Saints and if the Saints saw this they would never ask any thing any more of God because all things are given to the Saints and God loves the Saints as he loves the Son John 17. 23. True it is that all Kingdoms Countries and people arex given to Christ Psalme 2. 7 8. but it is as true that they are given to the Saints Revel. 2. 26 27. whatsoever the Son hath received of the Father the Saints have received likewise they have received the same power the same glory but they do not see it Nay whatsoever is spoken of the Son is spoken of the Saints for the Saints are the Son and this is manifest sayth Mr. Earbury and then produced two places of Scripture to prove it Revel. 3. 9. Revel. 21. 7. Wee are now heirs of all things as the Son is and we shal know it and men shal know it and come and worship at our feet therefore let this be the ground of our Faith and Hope for Christ is not shut up in Heaven but Christ is in us the hope of glory Master Earbury doth as you see positively deliver these blasphemous errours and yet when he was admonished by one of our brethren hee sayd hee did not deliver any thing dogmatically for hee did only enquire into the Truth of things as one that was to seek To which it was replyed that First hee did urge Scripture to prove his opinion Secondly that hee sayd his Exposition was manifest Thirdly that he pressed the people to receive his Exposition to build their hope upon his interpretation and to believe the Scriptures in his sense Fourthly to encourage them to receive his interpretation hee assured them that if they would believe his doctrine they should do greater things then ever Christ did and men should come and worship at their feet Fiftly hee was advised to deliver practicall points to the people and not to teach any thing for truth concerning which hee was not fully perswaded in his own minde Sixtly our brother desired him to enquire of those who were able to resolve him in those things of which hee doubted and not to enquire of a company of unsetled people for by that means he might bring them also to doubt of most of the principles of the Christian faith Moreover upon the eleventh of December Master Earbury took upon him to prophecy of greater shakings yet in England and Scotland as well as Ireland In Scotland sayth Mr. Earbury they think to preserve themselves but you shall see and they will feel greater shakings yet even mighty Earth-quakes but if the Lord teach you this doctrine which I have now delivered it will keep up your spirits Remember that it is not only God that gives you strength but God is your strength and you shall walk upon God himself as upon high places believe it wee are filled with the same Godhead with the same glory that Christ is and wee are one with the Father as hee is These Notes were communicated to one of our company by a Captain whereupon one of our brethren preached just the contrary doctrine and proved that it was a fundamentall Article of the Christian Religion because Christ hath built his Church upon this fundamentall confession or acknowledgement as upon an immoveable Rock Matth. 16. 16 17 18. Simon Peter said Thou art Christ the son of the living God and what said Christ upon this Rock will I build my Church This is the great Article so often disputed and cleered in primitive times by the Apostles for the conversion of Jews Gentiles That Jesus Christ who took our nature of the blessed Virgin is the true Messiah the son of the living God God equall with his Father nay the same God though not the same person with his Father God by nature and yet Man by nature perfect God and perfect Man both natures the divine and humane being inseparably united in the person of the son of God the second person of the glorious Trinity This truth was made evident by the whole series of the book of the Acts of the Apostles and therefore it 's not sufficient for us to acknowledge that Christ is in some sense God and Man but we must believe this truth as it is revealed and declared in the Scriptures because the Scriptures are the doctrinall foundation and Christ the personall foundation Wee are built upon the foundation of the Prophets and Apostles Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone Ephes. 2. 20. yee must walk sayth the Apostle as yee have received and be built up in Christ and established in the faith as you have been taught Coloss. 2. 6 7. Divers of Master Earbury his Auditory were startled with this Sermon two of them came to Mr. Cheynell and told him that he had delivered Doctrine contrary to what they had been taught by a very pretious man Mr. Erbury Mr. Cheynell told them they were to examine which of those contrary Doctrines was agreeable to the scriptures For he that preacheth contrary to M. Erbury his opinion is not to be condemned if Mr. Earbury his opinion be contrary to the word of God whereupon they desired Mr. Cheynell to give M. Erbury a meeting that the point in controversie might be fully discussed in the presence of them
administration of Sacraments for the edifying of his Church to the k end of the world 4 For this preaching of the word and administration of Sacraments Christ hath l appointed some select persons unto whom he hath m committed the Ministry of Reconciliation 5 Of these some had a more n large commission reaching to all Nations as the Apostles others were appointed as o Pastors and Teachers to p some more particular and speciall places 6 These Pastors and Teachers are q officers of Christs appointment r distinct from the flock whom they teach and take care of as the severall names which are given them in Scripture do import viz. s Elders Stewards Watchmen Overseers Ministers Rulers Ambassadours men that must give an account who are therefore as persons intrusted to give themselves wholly unto this worke 7 These Officers thus instituted are to continue in the t Church so long as Christ hath a Gospel to be preached Sacraments to be administred Saints to be perfected a body to be edified gain-sayers to be convinced a flock to be fed that is to say unto the end of the World 8 Notwithstanding this publique office and ordinance of Christ for the edification of the Church there lyeth a duty upon private Christians within the bounds of private Christians to teach and build up one another as parents their children masters their servants and one Christian another in their communion one with another After the Theses were read some of the Commanders sayd that they did not differ from us in them and therefore would have us to prove our call we told them that although we were ready to do that yet since this was the Question agreed upon on both sides and Mr. Earbury for his part embraced it and wee had stated it in our Theses wee could not yield to the altering of it but by the clamours reproaches and uncivill language and behaviour of some present we were born down and another Question was yielded unto which was Whether those that are called Ministers had any more authority to Preach in publique then private Christians which were gifted whereupon since the Souldiers would have it so one of our company undertook to prove that they had no authority to Preach what ever we had His argument was this They that had authority to Preach have such names and titles importing an office and calling which are given to Preachers in the Scripture But they had not those names and titles that are given to Preachers in the Scripture therefore they had no authority to Preach The minor being denyed it was thus proved The names and titles that are given to Preachers in the Scripture are such as these viz. Pastors Teachers Stewards Watch-men Ambassadours Over-seers Ministers Rulers and such as must give an account c. But these names and titles did not agree to them therefore they had no authority to Preach The major was denyed this was undertaken to be proved by the parts and first it was proved that Pastours and Teachers were names and titles given to Preachers Ephes. 4. 11. was produced for the proof of it hee gave some Apostles c. some Pastors and Teachers these name and titles of Pastours and Teachers were given here to Preachers and men in office and not to gifted brethren as appears by the connexion and scope of the place First it was answered that this place did not prove the thing for then Preachers must be Prophets and Apostles c. also To this was replyed that that did not follow in regard Prophets and Apostles were extraordinary officers pro tempore for the first planting and founding of the Church and therefore though Preachers were not Prophets and Apostles yet they were Pastours and Teachers and were ordinary officers and to continue in the Church Secondly it was sayd there was no such distinction of extraordinary and ordinary in the Scripture and that the answer was not sufficient It was replyed that we read not the word ordinary neither yet it follows not that therefore there were not ordinary neither read we the word Trinity yet it follows not that there are not three Persons Thirdly another said they did not preach as men in office but only as gifted brethren and therefore though those names did agree to men in office yet that did not hinder but that they might be Preachers in another capacity It was replyed that did imply a contradiction to preach publickly and yet to be a private man in regard that to preach implyed a publicke office and mission Rom. 10. 14. so that for any man to take upon him a publick office which was not an officer did usurpe as if a common Souldier should do the work of a Colonel without a Commission or a call though he be never so skilfull shall be thought to usurpe and a Barrister though hee be more able then the Judge on the bench yet must not take upon him the Judges office before hee is called to it as well as qualified for it Every man must use his gifts in his own sphere and compasse a Pastour in a publick way and a private man in private wayes of edification each member of the body according to its own measure Ephes. 4. 16. But they were not out of their station in this as a private man should be in the work of a Magistrate Judge or Colonel because they find that private men in Scripture have taught publickly without an office and therefore they may do so too for proof hereof was produced the example of those Acts 4. It was answered that it doth not appeare that they who preached were private men Philip who was named was an Evangelist the rest might be Elders in office at Jerusalem there used to be Apostles Elders and Brethren and if all were dispersed but the Apostles then Elders as well as private Brethren beside whoever they were in probability they had instructions and commission from the Apostles to do what they did and so they did it not without a mission however the case was extraordinary and it doth no way follow if where no officers are to doe a work private persons being furnished with more notable gifts then any now ordinarily are may endevour to propagate the Gospel where it was not at all therefore in ordinary times of the Church where officers are who are furnished with greater abilities and a speciall call others should take their work out of their hands and do that in a constituted Church which others did where there was no Church at all nor officers to gather one But Apollo preached Acts 18. 26. true But how prove they hee was no Minister hee is called so in expresse tearms 1 Cor. 3. 5. They prove hee was none because he was ignorant and instructed by Aquila and Priscilla But did hee well to preach being ignorant yes hee was able to make out Jesus Christ being eloquent and mighty in the Scriptures