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church_n	article_n	catholic_n	creed_n	3,489	5	9.9234	5	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A87005	Syons redemption, and original sin vindicated: wherein are these particulars largely handled and discovered. I. That sprinkling of water in the name of the father, son and Holy Ghost is not baptism, ... II Infants not the subjects appointed by God to be baptized, ... III That the second death was never threatned to be inflicted upon Adam ... IV A clear and large discourse as touching Gods decree, of election and reprobation. V A large exposition upon the ninth chapter to the Romanes, ... VI A brief disproof of the unlawfulness of the paying or receving of tithes, ... VII The ordination of the national ministery examined and disproved. VIII The answer of objections against the Jews return out of their captivity ... IX A clear discovery of the glorious effects (or that which will be effected) under the sound of the seventh trumpet. X A full discovery of Judah and Israels glory to be enjoyed in their own land, ... Published for the instruction and comfort of all that wait for the appearing of the Lord Jesus and Zions redemption. Being an answer to a book of Mr. Hezekiah Holland, sometimes preacher in Sutton-Valence in Kent. By George Hammon pastor to the Church of Christ, meeting in Biddenden in Kent.	Hammon, George.	1658 (1658)	Wing H504; Thomason E958_1; ESTC R207642	184,723	213

what had he to do to meddle with Gods word or ordinances 〈◊〉 16. see●he hated to be reformed and Si●s this was your Reverend Father in God and hence the Pope and you come to be so near kin that he hath given each of you a Livery that you might remember him this was your Lord Bishop and Reverend Father in God and your head Presbyter from whom you received your Ministerial Function and therefore no doubt as you think but your Ministery is likely to be very good But I remember that 〈◊〉 of y●u have changed your vizzard and are gotten into another shape of Ordination and instead of being made Ministers under or by authority of the Pope you now becove Ministers by authority of Parliament they O 〈◊〉 you or by authorizing some to do the work for them but know the Lord will try you ere long and sweep away your refuge and hiding place for he knoweth full wel that you are a time-serving people and seek honour of men and that his love is not in you But I passe this and come to the second thing which is your Office or work that you are given in change to do namely your forgiving men their sins the which you know is a great work enjoyned on you to do as in your charge and also I have heard your tribe contending for it and I do assure you it giveth such a sound or eccho as if it came frome the bottome of the Popes belly 〈…〉 person and therefore hath raught you in the Articles of the Creed to believe in the Church not in the Pope for the Romane Chatholick himself is scarce so had because although he doth say that the Pope may forgive sins and that his words are of great authority yet it is not impossibe for h●m to erre say they as he is a single person but he and his Council or Church considered together cannot erre So that infalibility is not concluded by them at all times to be in the Pope considered as a single person but considered as with the Church And therefore the Article of your Creed doth not teach you to believe in the Pope as a single person but doth teach you to believe in the Catholick Church that is the Church and Pope as considered together Therefore he that appropriates all to the Ministery is worse than a Papist except he believe none be of the Church but the Ministery And now to shew you that the power of Remission or retaining of sins lies in the Church and not in the Ministery singly considered as such And first I shall begin with your own cited text as by some of you which is read thus Joh. 20.19 20 21 22 23. Whosesoever sin ye remit they are remitted and whosesoever sins ye retain they are retained In this Text we are to consider who the void YE respects whether the Church or Ministery the which is pain that the word YE respect the Church and not the Ministery unlesse we consider the among ther as the Church the first reason why I believe it 〈◊〉 the Church and not the Ministery is because there is no mention of the Ministery or Ministers but it is given to Disciples as such and therefore you have not the w●rd Ministery or Ministers read in the Original The power of binding and loosing is in the Church considered as such and not in the Ministery singly considered as such as 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 but 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which is Disciples as such and not Elders or Paltors or Apostles as such not that say that it is spoke to the Church exclusively so as to exclude the Ministery when they are considered together as a part of the Church neither do I say that there was not Ministers an ongst the Disciples at that time for I do believe that there was some of the eleaven but this is that which I say it was not given to them considered as Ministers or Apostles but that power of remitting or retaining of sins was given to them as considered a Congregation or Church of Disciples met or gathered together as such mark that and as it will appear in this Text considering the presidence so it will appear fully in my second Reason Mat. 18.1 18 19. which is gathered from the words of Christ in the Gospel of St. Matthew which saith Tell it to the Church and if they neglect to bear the Church let him be to thee as an heathen or publicane for whosoever YE viz. the Church binde on earth shall be bound in heaven Therefore faith the Apostle to the Corinthians 1 Cor. When YE viz the Church come together with my spirit and the power of the Lord Jesus deliver such an one to Satan shewing that the Church ought and had power to bind together with the Minister as considered a Church in order and as they had power to binde so they had power also to loose for saith Paul 2 Cot. 2.7 Sufficient is his sorrow Wherefore YE viz. the Church ought rather to forgive him and comfort him lest peradventure such an one should be swallowed up with overmuch sorrow From whence we may see that the power of binding and loosing lyeth originally in the Church as such and not in the Ministery singly as such b●● being considered together they are an intire Church or a Church in intire order and so the power is committed to them and therefore God will not have any to be Lords over his heritage for he hath overthrown s●me of them already and ere long will trise and mightily sh●ke the earth and then the Lord ●ill overturn overturn overturn the r●sidue of them and make them as the chaff of the summer thr●shing floor and the whirl-wind of his wrath small scatter them so as their place shall not be found Obj. But if it should be objected and said That Christ gave the keyes of the kingdome to Peter Mat. 16.18 to binde and loose whom he pleased and therefore the power is committed to Ministers as such and not to the Church Ans To which I answer and say that where it is said Thou art Peter and upon this rock viz. the Son of God will I build my Church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it viz the Son of God which was IT the rock and I will give unto thee viz the Church that is built on ME the rock the keyes of the Kingdom and whosoever thou viz the Church that is so b●●t bind on earth shall he bound in heaven So then where the word is rendred thee and thou as if it were to Peter as a single person may respect the Church which is built upon that rock which indeed is considered but as one single Woman or Spouse they being but one body of whom Chist is the head And therefore in the metaphorical discourse of Christ and his Church in the Canticles he speaks to her as a single

spirits in prison which implies that there is a place of Purgatory that Christ went thither o● to hell to preach and bring them f●om thence and so they shall come forth when they have paid the utmost farthing and this is Romes doctrine and the article of your faith he descended into hell And again you by your Articles must believe in the Catholick Church but you were better to believe and put your trust in God and how can you have a Catholick or universal Church so as to be an over spreading Whore unlesse you uphold Infant Baptisin the which makes all persons to be of the Church and so receiving the mark of the first Beast and are a cage of all man●er of unclean birds for as saith the Spirit All Nations have drank of the wine of her fornication and the Kings of the earth have committed fornication with her and you Merchants have been made rich through her and therefore you uphold and plead for her But wo wo wo unto thee Virgin daughter of Babylon thy Mothers pride and uncleanness and traditions seen in thee wo unto the Cities of Nations you must f●ll and then your Mother MISTERY BABYLON through whose loyns ye came shall come in remembrance before God so that both she and you that have commited fornication with h●r shall be cast into a bed together And again wo wo unto thee thy day is coming it hastens therefore flee out of her that the day of the Lords wrath fall not on you because it will fall with a heavy consumption on all that are found out of the simplicity of the Gospel but I passe to the next thing which is say you We may be true Ministers although come from Rome as Christ was the true Christ which came from Adam which wa● finful lines This is plainly the sense of what you say To which I answer and say That although Christ came through the womb of the holy Virgin yet he was not begotten of or by man for if he had been in Adam as we were then had he been a sinner as we were for we all sinned in him and then no Saviour Rom. 5. but I passe this advising you to learn that great mystery of godliness to wit God minifest in flesh c. And whereas you say you may be a true Ministery and yet have your Ordination in or thorow Rome because Christ came from Adam as aforesaid to which I say there is no parallell because Christ was not of Adam or by the will of Adam as your Ordination was of the Pope and by the will of the Pope through his assigns viz the Bishops and much I might say to shew that there is no fit parallel either in Christ coming through the womb of the Virgin which was Gods appointment or Aaron● Priesthood Christ owns not that Priesthood that comes through Roms the which was according to Gods appointment but that God hath appointed a true Ministers approbation and Ordination to be from or through Rome or that they may be accounted as true Ministers which have their Ordination that way and so come through Rome I am yet to learn for who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean no not one and also such stones as come from Babylon must not be a corner-stone in Zion Christs Priesthood came not through a false state but was to be ordained in and by a true Church and all Ministers that are otherwise Ordained are not Christs Ministers And again whereas you tell me of a great story of several that lived in England who did refuse to submit to the Popes Supremacy and that also say you Origen confesseth that Christianity was in England in his time To this and such like discourse of yours I answer and say suppose it was granted that Christianity was in England long before Origens time to which possibly I could speak somewhat but if I should when I have done all possibly as few would believe me in that as do believe you in this which you have said Therefore our businesse is not to shew how long ago it was that Christianity was believed or practised in England but our businesse is to shew whether the Ministery or our Nation had their Ordination by a true Church or Presbyter or whether it were from the salse Church and Presbyter as the Lord B●shop and so consequently from the Pope for what if the Gospel were preached and believed in England and so we may comparatively say that one of the Beasts heads was wounded yet there hath been time for his deadly wound to be healed and all the world to wander after him bence it comes to passe that we have in England a worldly Sanctuary and a worldly Ministery the which is not of God or by his appointment and therefore must fall and so I come to shew these two things First That the Ministery of the Nation as they now stand and have for a long time so stood are not Christs Ministers First in respect of the persons qualification ordaining And secondly the persons qualification ordained And thirdly their Office or work what they are appointed to and these in order And first to the first which is The persons qualification ordaining and the first is whether the Lord Bishop was a lawful Presbyter yea or nay the which if not then it wil appear plainly that the Ministery of the Nation is not a lawfull Ministery being not lawfully Ordained to the work of the Ministery The Ministry of the Nation no true Ministers of Christs appointment And fi●st we may consider his ordination or appointment whence it was whether by a true Presbyter or whether it were from a false to which I say of necessity it must be a false for whether it were the Pope Gregory the great or the like it is plain it was not from a true Presbyter because your own grant is that your Ordination came from Rome in the 27 page say you We were in Rome or came through Rome therefore I shall not trouble my self about the succession of your Ministery because it is affirmed by you and readily believed by me that it came from Rome But Secondly To his qualification as touching his good manners in life and conversation all England knowes that knows any thing that he was of such an evill conversation that he did not onely tollerate sin in himself but also in others 2 Tim. 4.2 so far he was from charging the Ministers ● as Paul did Timothy to preach the word instant in season and out of season that he in P●int gave liberty to propha●ation and to lay aside the preaching or Gods word for a season and to interpose Romes inventions together with dancing and laciviousness upon the first day when persons ought to be imployed in holy duties these things together with imprisoning men that were conscientious was the practice of him from whom as under the Pope you Ministers of the Nation were assigned and appointed