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A09111	A treatise tending to mitigation tovvardes Catholike-subiectes in England VVherin is declared, that it is not impossible for subiects of different religion, (especially Catholikes and Protestantes) to liue togeather in dutifull obedience and subiection, vnder the gouernment of his Maiesty of Great Britany. Against the seditions wrytings of Thomas Morton minister, & some others to the contrary. Whose two false and slaunderous groundes, pretended to be dravvne from Catholike doctrine & practice, concerning rebellion and equiuocation, are ouerthrowne, and cast vpon himselfe. Dedicated to the learned schoole-deuines, cyuill and canon lavvyers of the tvvo vniuersities of England. By P.R.	Parsons, Robert, 1546-1610.	1607 (1607)	STC 19417; ESTC S114220	385,613	600

in the Index of prohibited bookes and not only for Heresies of this time but also quod dicit spiritum sanctum minùs aduocandum adorandum esse for that he saith that the holy Ghost is lesse to be called vpon or adored c. as the Index expurgatorius testifieth besides all this I say he corrupteth manifestly in the sentence before alledged the wordes plaine meaning of his Author to wit Bellarmine from whome he citeth Cassanders iudgment for thus they lye in him Tertius error saith he est Georgij Cassandri in libro De officio pij viri vbi docet debere Principes inuenire rationem pacis inter Catholicos Lutheranos c. Sed interim dum non inueniunt debere 〈◊〉 vnicuique suam fidem modò omnes recipiant Scripturam Symbolum Apostolicum Sic enim omnes sunt vera Ecclesiae membra licèt in particularibus dogmatibus dissentiant 68. The third errour is of George Cassander in the booke Of the office of a pious man where he teacheth that Princes ought to seeke out some meanes of peace betwixt Catholickes Lutheranes Caluinistes and other sectes of our time but in the meane space whiles they finde no such meanes they ought to permit euery one to follow his owne particuler faith so as all doe receaue the Scripture and common Creed of the Apostles for so al are true members of the Church albeit they disagree among thēselues in particuler doctrines These are Bellarmins wordes Now let vs see how they are mangled by M. Morton both in Latin and English as by him that hath the notablest talent therin notwithstanding his solemne protestations to the contrary that euer I read in my life 69. He putteth downe first the Latin wordes in his margent thus Debent Principes inuenire rationem pacis inter Catholicos Lutheranos 〈◊〉 qui omnes dum Symbolum tenent Apostolicum vera sunt membra Ecclesiae licèt à nobis in particularibus dissentiant Princes ought to seeke a meanes of peace betweene Catholickes Lutheranes Caluinistes all which for so much as they hold the Apostolicke Creed are true members of the Church albeit they dissent from vs in some particuler opiniōs And heere now yow see first to be omitted cunningly and wilfully by this crafty Minister the wordes of much moment that whiles Princes doe not finde a fit meane of peace they ought to permit all to liue according to their particuler faith which sentence of his graue and learned Cassander not seeming to himself allowable in our English State or to his owne Brethren the English Caluinistes that now hauing gotten the gouernment will suffer no other Religion but their owne thought best to suppresse and cut them quite out Secondly in steed of the condicionall speech vsed by Cassander modò omnes recipiant Scripturam c. So all 〈◊〉 receaue the Scripture and Apostolicall Creed he putteth it downe with a causatiue clause Qui omnes dum Symbolum tenent c. All which sectes because they doe hold the Articles of the Creed are true members of the Church leauing out the word Scripture as yow see and peruerting the other wholly in sense For who will not hold it absurde that Catholickes Lutherans Caluinistes and other sectes of our time though in wordes they doe admit both Scripture Apostolicall Creed yet differing in sense and so many doctrines as they doe are all to be held notwithstanding for true members of one and the selfe same Church Can any thing be more ridiculous then this 70. Thirdly he doth most notably cogge in thrusting in the wordes à nobis from vs which are not in the originall meaning therby to make Cassander to seeme a Catholicke to speake in the behalf of Catholickes which is plaine cosenage and to this end also he leaueth out dogmatibus finally yow see that he shapeth euery thing to his owne purpose and by making Cassander as a Catholicke seeme to wish and endeauour this vnion and Bellarmine to reiect it he would confirme his former calumniation that only by the insolency of Iesuites all such hope is debarred 71. And thus much for the corruption of the Latin text but his English hath other corruptions also according to his ordinary custome For first he translateth Debent Principes that Emperours should endeauour a reconciliation to confirme therby his former vanity that Cassander was so great a man with Emperours as he talketh not but to Emperours Secōdly he translateth Catholicos Lutheranos Caluinistas c. which wordes 〈◊〉 comprehend all other sects of our time as Anabaptistes Arrians Trinitarians Hussites Picardians and the like he translateth them I say Papistes and Protestantes as though all those sectes of our time were to be comprehended vnder the name of Protestantes of the English faith or as though Cassander if he were a Catholicke as heere he is pretended would call vs 〈◊〉 Thirdly wheras in his owne Latin heere set downe he saith Qui omnes dum Symbolum 〈◊〉 c. All which to wit Catholickes Lutherans Caluinistes other Sectaries whiles they hold the Apostolicall Creed are true members of the Church he doth English it thus because Protestantes hold the Articles of the Creed and are true members of the Church excluding Catholickes from belieuing the said Articles or being true members which in his owne Latin and that of Bellarmines also are included and fourthly is the corruption before mentioned although they dissent from vs in some particuler opinions which in Bellarmine is although they dissent among themselues in particuler doctrines and finally the wordes by him cited of Bellarmins iudgment which he controlleth to wit falsa est haec sententia Cassandri non 〈◊〉 enim Catholici reconciliari cum Haereticis are not so in Bellarmine but these potest facilè refelli 〈◊〉 Cassandri sententia primum enim non possunt Catholici Lutherani Caluinistae eo modo conciliari c. This sentence of Cassander may easely be refelled first for that Catholickes Lutherans and Caluinistes for example can not so be reconciled as Cassander appointeth to wit by admitting only the wordes of the Creed for that we differ in the sense and sometimes in the articles themselues as in that descendit ad inferos he descended into hell and in like manner we agree not about the sense of those other articles I belieue the Catholicke Church and Communion of Saintes remission of sinnes c. So Bellarmine All which this fellow omitteth 72. And so you see there is no truth or sincerity with him in any thing neither can these escapes be ascribed any way to ouersight errour mistaking or forgetfulnes but must needes be attributed to wilfull fraude malicious meaning purposly to deceaue as the things themselues doe euidently declare for which cause I shall leaue him to be censured by his owne Brethren but especially by his Lord and Maister for so notable discrediting their cause by so manifest

cōprehending the summe substance of all that hath byn said answered or replied vpon The first concerning Heresy the second seditious doctrine tending to Rebellion and the third the practice and exercise therof wherin as in all other pointes of argument discourse when the obiection and solution is once heard and well considered no great difficulty remaineth for a discreet man to make the conclusion and to settle his minde therin The first Question about Heretickes and Heresy §. 1. FIrst then there hath byn a great contention and is betweene vs as in the second Chapter of this Treatise you haue heard about the name nature and application of Heresy and Heretickes this Minister maketh it a principall ground in the very beginning of his first discouery why Catholickes and English Protestantes may not liue togeather in one Common-wealth without continuall feares of treason to be practized from the said Catholicks for that they held Protestantes to be Heretickes and hereupon doth he bring in that long list and rablement of losses and penalties both temporall and spirituall adiudged by ancient Councelles and Canons Ecclesiasticall to be incident and due to all sortes of Heretickes rising vp against the Church from the beginning whervnto his moderate Answerer giueth that moderate satisfaction which in the precedent Chapter we haue signified to wit that concerning the execution of those penalties especially the externall it is not due against any vntill lawfull and iudiciall denuntiation haue passed and that forsomuch as apperteined to the imputation of Heresy vnto them that are of Caluins Religion professed in England not only Catholickes but diuers sortes also of the most renowned Protestantes did stand therin most resolutly holding them to be true and properly Heretickes And for this he cited many instances authorities and examples and we haue added more in the said second Chapter that goeth before 4. Now then it is to be considered maturely without passion or heat of contention whether this be so or not and how T. M. doth answere these instances of his first aduersary for mine hitherto he hath not seene for if this be true that indeed they are held for Heretickes by learned and graue men of their owne profession who are no lesse opposite to vs then they then falleth first the ground of his bitter exclamation against vs for reputing them so secondly followeth it also that as great probabilities of treasons and conspiracies may be suspected from those of the other sectes that hold them for such if that opinion be the cause of treasons as Lutherans Zuinglians Puritans and the like And lastly ensueth a weighty consideration that if by all sides they be held for Heretickes how deeply the graue or rather grieuous assertion of S. Augustine before alledged is to be held in memory pondered with terrour Firmissimè tene nullatenus dubites omnem Haereticum vel Schismaticum cum Diabolo Angelis 〈◊〉 aeterni ignis incendio participandum Hold for most certaine and no way make any doubt but that euery Heticke or Schismaticke of what sort soeuer shall be partaker of the flames of eternall fier togeather with the diuell and his Angelles which is a dreadfull sentence especially if we remember both his and all other Holy Fathers vniforme definition of an Hereticke to consist principally in this that he hold with obstinacy any one article contrary to the beliefe of the vniuersall visible and knowne Church for that out of these two maior and minor propositions the conclusion is easily made who is an Hereticke and therby also in the danger denounced by S. Augustine 5. The first proofe then which the Answerer alledgeth against the discouery of T. M. in this behalfe is the authority censure and iudgment of the Deane Colledge of the famous Lutheran Vniuersity in Germany named Tubinga set downe by the said deane and Comon Reader of that Vniuersity named Philippus Nicolaus in a large booke with this title Fundamentorum Caluinianae sectae cum veteribus Arrianis Nestorianis communium detectio A discouery of the fundamentes of the Caluinian sect which are common to them with the ancient Arrians Nestorians he proueth through many Chapters togeather that Caluinists are no lesse Heretickes then the other and they agree with him at least in seauenteene or eighteene principall articles alledging also 〈◊〉 authority to the same effect 6. This is the charge What doth the Minister now Reply vpon large and mature deliberation in this his full satisfaction Yow shall heare it in his owne wordes That which they did saith he in the spirit of opposition and contention is not much to be regarded and this is all he saith to the purpose for that presently he runneth a side to proue by other meanes that Caluin did not hold with the Arrians and Nestorians but this is to take a new contention in hand with the Vniuersity of Tubinga whether they censured well or no and not to answere vs whether Caluinists be truly Heretickes by the iudgment of that Protestant Vniuersity which in effect he granteth when he saith That it is not much to be regarded what they did in the spirit of opposition contention so as they censure him and he censured them wherby is cleer that in their iudgment both he and his are condemned which is the point in question 7. And by this and many other like authorities alledged by me to this purpose in the precedent second Chapter is euident that in the iudgment and conscience of all Lutheran Protestantes whatsoeuer not only in the spirit of opposition and contention as this man saith but in their calmest spirit if euer they be in calme all Caluinistes are held by them for damnable Heretickes yea deploratissimi Haeretici most desperate Heretickes saith Franciscus Stancarus a chief Superintendent in Polonia Alieni ab Ecclesia Dei satanae membra saith Luther himself cut of from the Church of God and therby made true members of Satan which censure being laied vpon them by men of their owne profession is a very considerable point to be marked by him that feareth the eternall fire before mentioned by S. Augustine For as if so many learned Phisitians should tell vs that we were in a dangerous consumption or so many skilfull Lawyers should admonish vs that we were by law in a case of extreme temporall danger of death we would looke about vs so much more ought we in this case 8. I passe ouer the testimony of Conradus before mentioned who affirmeth Caluinistes to belieue and teach rightly no one article of the Creed that also of Heshusius that saith their association is a most blasphemous sacrilegious sect that of Hunnius it is most damnable and the right way to hell that of Schutzius calling it the sinke of all wicked Heresies that of Modestus that maketh Caluinists as badd as Iewes and Mahometanes that of Matthias Grauerus and others that affirme all

from Syr Edward Courtney Earle of Deuonshire Syr Nicolas Throckmorton others what to the conspiracy of VVilliam Thomas who hauing determined and plotted the murder of the said Queene and conuicted therof professed saith Stow at his death at Tyburne that he died for his countrey 30. I passe ouer other conspiracies and Rebellions as that of Vdall Throckmorton Iohn Daniel Stanton Cleber the three Lincolnes and after them Thomas Stafford and others that comming out of France with instructions of the brethren of Geneua surprised Scarborough Castle made proclamations against the Queene that she was iustly deposed and other such like attemptes by that sort of people who all professed themselues to be Protestantes and to haue entred into those affaires principally for their Religion And with what face or forhead then doth T. M. say in this place Shew vs what Protestant euer resisted c. 31. But much more impudent is the second part of his assertion about Ministers saying That no Minister of the Ghospell did euer kindle the least spark of sedition against Queene Mary Wheras his aduersary obiecteth many by name as Cranmer Ridley Rogers and Iewel before mentioned who as is euident by Fox his story in his Actes and Monumentes both dealt preached stirred people against her all that lay in their power And as for Cranmer it is euident he was condemned for the same treason in Parlament Ridley preached openly at Paules Crosse against her title Rogers at Clocester and Iewel was appointed to preach in Oxford had he not byn preuented by the sudden and vnexpected proclayming of the said Queene there by Syr Iohn VVilliams others 32. The instances also that we haue alledged of Goodman VVhittingham Gilby Couerdale VVitehead sundry others testified by my Lord of Canterbury to haue taught and practized sedition against the said Queene in those daies doe they not conuince this Minister Thomas Morton of rare singular impudency will any man euer belieue him hereafter what he saith or affirmeth denieth or shifteth of seing him to auouch so manifest vntruthes as these are with so shameles asseueration 33. But yet to conuince him somewhat more I think good to set downe some of the particuler wordes and phrases of two or three of the principall forenamed pillars of the Protestant primitiue Church in our Iland omitted for breuities sake by the moderate Answerer to the end yow may see their spirit iudge of this mans forehead in standing so resolutely in the deniall taken in hand For first Iohn Knox in a booke written printed at Geneua 1558. which was the last of her raigne wherin after he had said That is is not birth only or propinquity of bloud that 〈◊〉 a King lawfull to raigne aboue the people professing Iesus Christ c. He goeth forward saying thus I feare not to affirme that it had byn the duty of the Nobility Iudges Rulers and people of England not only to haue resisted and withstood Mary that Iezabel whome they called their Queene but also to haue punished her to death with all the sort of her Idolatrous Priestes togeather with all such as should haue assisted her c. Doe yow see here his Euangelicall spirit Doe yow see the essence of his doctrine Doe yow heare this new Prophet declare himself cleerly But let vs giue audience to another of like vocation and spirit 34. The second is his deere brother Christophor Goodman who in a booke of his printed also at Geneua the same yeare 1558. the title wherof was How Superiours ought to be obeyed writeth thus I know yow of England will say that the Crowne is not entailed to heire-males but appertaineth aswell to the daughters therfore by the lawes of the Realme ye could doe no otherwise then admit her but if this be true yet miserable is the answere of such as had so long time professed the Ghospell and the liuely word of God For if it had byn done by Pagans and heathens which knew not God by his word it might better haue byn borne with all but among them that beare the name of Godes people with whome his lawes should haue chief authority this answere is not tolerable If she had byn no bastard but the Kinges daughter as lawfully begotten as was her sister that Godly Lady and meeke lambe yet at the death of our lawfull Prince King Edward that should not haue byn your first coūsaile or question who should be your Queene but first and principally who had byn most meet among your Brethren to haue had the gouernment ouer yow For a woman to raigne Godes law forbiddeth whose raigne was neuer accompted lawfull by the word of God c. So he And behold heere now whether these mens worde of God did not serue them to all turnes euen to barre lawfull succession to depose the possessor and whatsoeuer themselues listed 35. The third Doctor of this learning was M. VVhittingham Deane afterwardes for his good merittes of Durham who made a preface to the foresaid booke of Goodman allowing and commending the same highly as a thing consulted examined approued by Caluin and the rest of the most learned Ghospellers of Geneua for thus he writeth M. Christophor Goodman conferred his articles and cheif propositions of his booke with the best learned in these partes who approuing the same he consented to enlarge the said worke and so to print it as a token of his duety and good affection towardes the Church of God and then if it were thought good in the iudgment of the Godly to translate the same into other languages that the profit therof might be more vniuersall So VVhittingham with whom concurred in iudgment VVhithead Couerdale Gilby and others then liuing in Geneua which Gilby wrote also of the like argument a speciall admonition to the Realmes of England and Scotland to call them to repentāce by all likelyhood for that they had admitted tolerated and not put to death Q. Mary of England and not yet deposed as after they did Q. Mary of Scotland both Mother and daughter and the booke was printed the same yeare by the same Crispin in Geneua wherin besides that which he vttereth against this Queene Mary as a Catholicke Princesse or rather no Princesse in his opinion he hath these wordes also of King Henry her Father euen after his fall from Catholicke Religion The boare was busy wrooting digging in the earth with all his pigges that followed him but they sought only for the pleasant fruites that they winded with their long snowtes and for their owne bellies sake c. This monstrous boare for all this must needes be called head of the Church vnder paine of treason displacing Christ our only head who alone ought to haue this title So Gilby And for that all this was spoken written and printed diuers yeares after Q. Mary was proclaimed and installed Queene and all tending euidently to sedition as

of the Church therin which should be a greater sinne but yet is not necessary for that the perfect nature of Heresy is consummated by knowing that it is against the Church and for that this notice or knowledge belongeth to the vnderstanding therfore Vasquez holdeth that the last perfection or consummation of this sinne is in the vnderstanding and not in the will not meaning to exclude therby obstinacy of the wil as ignorantly T.M. doth when he saith wee may not be ignorant but to shew in what power of the minde the last perfection consummation of this heinous sinne consisteth to wit that a man may be a perfect and consummate Hereticke by holding obstinatly any opinion against the doctrine of the Church after wee once know it to be against the said Churches doctrine though we haue not that further malice also of expresse will and purpose to contradict therby the said Church but only we hold the same for that the opinion pleaseth vs or is profitable or honorable to vs or therby to contradict another or some such like inducement according to those wordes of S. Augustine to Honoratus Haereticus est qui alicuius temporalis commodi maximè gloriae principatusque sui gratia falsas ac nouas opiniones vel gignit vel sequitur An Hereticke is he who in respect of some temporall commodity but especially for his owne glory and preheminence doth beget or follow false and new opinions 45. The same S. Augustine also against the Donatistes proposeth this example Constituamus saith he aliquem sentire de Christo quod Photinus c. Let vs imagine one to thinke of Christ as Photinus the Hereticke did perswading himself that it is the Catholicke faith c. istum nondū Haereticum dico saith he nisi manifestata sibi doctrina Catholicae fidei resistere maluerit illud quod tenebat elegerit I doe not yet say that this man is an 〈◊〉 vntill after that the doctrine of the Catholicke faith being opened vnto him he shall choose notwithstanding to resist and to hold by choice that which before he held by errour In which wordes S. Augustine doth euidently declare how necessary both knowledge will are vnto Heresy and consequently how absurd and ridiculous the assertion of M. Morton is that Heresy being a vice proper to the vnderstanding may denominate the subiect whatsoeuer an Hereticke without obstinacy of will For 〈◊〉 we grant with all Deuines that Heresy is in the vnderstanding as in her subiect and so is faith also that is her opposite and further that her last perfection and consummation is from the foresaid knowledge in the vnderstanding as Vasquez doth explane it yet doth not Vasquez or any Deuine els exclude the necessity of pertinacity also and election in the will consequently both his wordes and meaning haue byn euidently falsified and calumniated by T. M. and so much of this first charge wherby yow may see what bookes might be made against him if we would follow his steppes in all his fraudulent traces But yet let vs see somewhat more in this very leaf and page 46. For within few lines after he beginneth his third Chapter with these wordes That is only true Religion say your Romish Doctors which is taught in the Romish Church therfore whosoeuer mainteineth any doctrine cōdemned in that Church must be accompted an obstinate Hereticke And in the margent he citeth Cunerus alledging his Latin wordes thus Haec est Religionis sola ratio vt omnes intelligant sic simpliciter esse credendum atque loquendum quemadmodum Romana Ecclesia credendum esse docet ac praedicat Which wordes if they were truly alledged out of the Author yet were they not truly translated for if by only true Religion a corrupt translation of Religionis solaratio be applied to particuler positions and articles of Religion then we grant that such true Religion may be also among Hereticks not only taught in the Roman Church for that as S. Augustine well noteth Heretickes also hold many articles of true Catholicke Religion but heere the corruption and falsification goeth yet further and it is worthy the noting for that Cunerus hauing 〈◊〉 largely against the insurrections and Rebellions of those of Holland and Zeland for cause of Religion and other pretences against their lawfull King taketh vpon him in his thirteenth Chapter to lay downe some meanes how in his opinion those dissentions may be compounded giuing this title to the said Chapter Quae sit vera componendi dissidij 〈◊〉 what is the true way of composing this dissention and then after some discourse setteth downe this conclusion Haec igitur in Religione concordiae sola est ratio vt omnes pio ac simplici animo purè integrè sic sapiant viuant loquantur ac praedicent quemadmodum sancta Catholica Romana Ecclesia quae Dei prouidentia magistra veritatis Orbi praeposita est docet loquitur praedicat This therfore in Religion is the only way of concord that all men with a pious simple minde doe wholy and purely conceaue liue speake preach as the holy Catholicke Roman Church which God by his prouidence hath giuen for a teacher of truth vnto the whole world doth teach speake and preach 47. And now consider yow this dealing that wheras B. Cunerus saith haec est in Religione cocordiae sola ratio this is the only way of concord in Religion this man alledgeth it in his margent haec est Religionis sola ratio this is the only way of Religion as though concord and Religion were al one then by another tricke of crafty translation in his English text that is only true Religion as though true Religion and the way or meanes to come to true Religion were not different and then for all the rest how it is mangled and how many wordes and sentences are put in by this Minister which are none of Cunerus and how many of his altered and put out is easy for the Reader to see by comparing the 〈◊〉 o Latin textes before alleadged and therby to consider how facile a matter it is for this fellow to deuide our tongues A course saith he which I professe in all disputes when he deuideth and separateth the wordes from their Authors and the sense from the wordes and the whole drift from them both a very fine course and fit for a man of his profession But let vs proceed 48. In the very next page he going about to make vs odious by our seuere censuring of Heretickes putteth downe first these wordes of Alphonsus de Castro He that vnderstanding any opinion to be expressely condemned by the Church shall hold the same is to be accompted an obstinate Hereticke Wherupon M. Morton playeth his pageant thus VVhat obstinate It may be some doe but doubtingly defend it what will yow iudge of these wherunto he answereth out of

by T. M. as sounding to the contrary are manifestly spoken and meant of manners only and not of faith that is to say if they should be of naughty life yet haue they no Superiours to depose them for that being immediatly vnder Christ but for Heresy they may be deposed which in steed of all the rest yow may read largly handled in Bellarmine in his second booke de Pontific cap. 30. where among other proofes he citeth this very Canon of Gratian heere mentioned by T. M. saying Haereticum Papam posse iudicari expressè habetur Canon Si Papadist 40. It is expressely determined in the Canon Si Papa that a Pope falling into Heresy may be iudged and deposed by the Church and more that in the eight generall Councell and seauenth Session Pope Honorius was deposed for Heresy So Bellarmine And the same doctrine hold the other two cited by our Minister so as heere be foure notorious lies togeather that by no shift or tergiuersation can be auoided for that T. M. could not but manifestly see that he alledged these foure Authors quite contrary to their expresse wordes drift and meaning what then will yow say of this fellow and his manner of writing shall he be credited herafter 63. But yet not contented with this he citeth other foure or fiue Authors besides in the margent to wit Gregorius de Valentia Salmeron Canus Stapleton and Costerus all which in the very places by him cited are expressely against him And is not this strange dealing Let Canus that goeth in the middest speake for all who hauing proued first at large the opposite proposition to T. M. to wit that Popes may fall into Heresy and be deposed for the same concludeth thus his discourse Non est igitur negandum saith he quin Summus Pontifex Haereticus esse possit It cannot therfore be denied but that the Pope may be an Hereticke adding presently VVherof one or two examples may be giuen but none at all that euer Pope though he fell into Heresy did decree the same for the whole Church by which last wordes of Canus is discouered the ridiculous fallacy of T. M. alledging heere out of our foresaid writers that Popes cannot possibly be Heretickes as Popes and consequently cannot be deposed Wherof they say the flat contrary as you haue heard that Popes may be Heretickes as Popes consequently may be deposed but yet that God as Popes will neuer permit them to decree any Hereticall doctrine to be held by the Church 64. Consider then I pray yow what a fellow this Minister is in abusing thus so many Authors so manifestly but especially doe yow note the impudency of his conclusion And these forenamed Authors saith he doe auouch for confirmation of this doctrine the vniuersall consent of Romish Deuines and Canonistes for the space of an hundred years So he But I would aske him of what doctrine that Popes cannot be Heretickes or be deposed for the same yow haue heard them now protest the contrary and yow may read it in the places heere cited out of all the nine seuerall writers before mentioned who by their expresse contrary doctrine doe proue Thomas Morton to haue made nine seuerall lies against them in this his assertion and now the tenth most notorious of all is this his conclusion That they doe auouch for confirmation of that which he obiecteth the vniuersall consent of Romish Deuines and Canonistes for the space of an hundred yeares which besides the manifest falsity therof seene in their owne wordes and workes heere by me cited it conteineth also great folly and simplicity to say that they auouch the consent of Romish Deuines and Canonistes for an hundred yeares for that their proofes are much elder and Bellarmine among the rest for deposition of Pops doth cite the eight generall Councell vnvnder Pope Adrian the second for aboue six hundred yeares gone and the Canon Si Papa out of our Countreyman S. Boniface Archbishop of Mentz Martyr aboue seauen hundred yeares gone and collected by Gratian and confirmed by Popes as Part of the Canon law aboue foure hundred yeares gone So as to say that now they auouch Authors of an hundred yeares old against that which for so many hundred yeares before was held established is mere folly or rather foolish malice 65. And albeit I haue not yet passed ouer the first halfe of the first Part of this first Treatise of his and in this also haue pretermitted willingly many other examples that might haue byn alledged yet finding my self weary to prosecute any further so large a labyrinth of these intricate iuggling tricks vsed by this Minister in his whole corpes of citations with doe consist principally therof I meane to draw to an end adding only one example more in this place about a matter more neerly concerning our argument which is of reconciliation of Protestantes with Catholickes in pointes of Religion which T. M. willing to accuse Iesuites as the only hinderers therof writeth thus Only by the insolency saith he of Iesuites all such hope of recōciliation is debarred as is plaine by Bellarmine for wheras that most graue and learned Cassander honoured of two Emperours for his singuler learning and piety did teach that Emperours should endeauour a reconciliatiō betwixt Papistes and Protestantes bycause saith he Protestants hold the articles of the Creed are true members of the Church although they dissent from vs in some particuler opinions the grand Iesuite doth answere that this iudgment of Cassander is false for that Catholickes cannot be reconciled with Heretickes Heretically meaning Protestantes So he 66. But heere I would aske him why he had not vttered also that which immediatly followeth in Bellarmine that Iohn Caluin had written a booke against this errour of Cassander and that among Catholicke writers Iohannes à Louanio had done the same and shewed that it was an old Heresy of Appelles as Eusebius testifieth of other Heretickes afterward vnder Zeno the Emperours named Pacifiers as Euagrius testifieth who held that Catholickes and Heretickes might be composed togeather why I say did T. M. conceale this As also the many great and strong argumentes that Bellarmine alledgeth to proue his assertion And why would he lay all the fault of not agreeing vpon the insolency of Iesuites seeing Iohannes à Louanio was no Iesuit nor Caluin neither 67. But to leaue this to come to the thing it self and to take some more particuler view of the false behauiour of Thomas 〈◊〉 in citing this authority It is strange that in so small a matter he would shew so great want of truth or true meaning as heere he doth For first to pretermit that he goeth about to deceaue his Reader by the opinion of grauity and learning in George Cassander of Bruges who was but a Grammarian in his dayes that he was a Catholicke who is censured for an Hereticke primae classis