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A49125 The non-conformists plea for peace impleaded in answer to several late writings of Mr. Baxter and others, pretending to shew reasons for the sinfulness of conformity. Long, Thomas, 1621-1707. 1680 (1680) Wing L2977; ESTC R25484 74,581 138

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remit_v and_o this_o power_n mr._n baxter_n grant_v to_o belong_v to_o every_o minister_n that_o the_o apostle_n of_o our_o lord_n do_v use_v the_o same_o word_n be_v probable_a from_o that_o expression_n of_o st._n paul_n act_n 20.28_o take_v heed_n to_o yourselves_o and_o to_o all_o the_o flock_n over_o which_o the_o holy_a ghost_n have_v make_v you_o over_o seer_n and_o mr._n baxter_n complain_v that_o too_o little_a notice_n be_v take_v of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n set_v pastor_n over_o the_o flock_n which_o the_o scripture_n mention_v p._n 310._o which_o be_v a_o convey_n of_o that_o authority_n which_o christ_n at_o his_o ascension_n leave_v to_o his_o church_n he_o give_v some_o apostle_n some_o prophet_n etc._n etc._n for_o the_o work_n of_o the_o ministry_n eph._n 4.11_o 12._o v._o 13._o till_o we_o all_o come_v in_o the_o unity_n of_o the_o faith_n etc._n etc._n p._n 198._o he_o except_v