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A42764 A late dialogue betwixt a civilian and a divine concerning the present condition of the Church of England in which, among other particulars, these following are especially spoken of ... Gillespie, George, 1613-1648. 1644 (1644) Wing G753; ESTC R15751 28,350 44

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pag._n 57_o say_v if_o a_o breach_n of_o peace_n the_o civil_a power_n ought_v to_o redress_v it_o 1._o tim._n 2.1.2_o but_o for_o the_o magistrate_n to_o interpose_v in_o matter_n mere_o ecclesiastical_a otherwise_o then_o spiritual_o and_o as_o a_o minister_n of_o the_o gospel_n i_o find_v no_o warrant_n for_o it_o in_o all_o the_o gospel_n divine_n now_o you_o be_v come_v to_o your_o last_o refuge_n wherein_o i_o know_v you_o put_v great_a confidence_n but_o i_o be_o as_o confident_a it_o can_v serve_v your_o turn_n which_o i_o prove_v thus_o 1._o by_o this_o tenent_n you_o give_v a_o more_o dangerous_a wound_n to_o the_o power_n of_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n than_o you_o be_v aware_a of_o for_o in_o stead_n of_o m●king_v he_o keeper_n of_o both_o table_n you_o make_v he_o keeper_n of_o the_o second_o table_n on●ly_o at_o least_o vindex_fw-la of_o ●_z only_o whereas_o god_n have_v make_v he_o as_o well_o vindex_fw-la as_o custos_fw-la utriusque_fw-la tabula_fw-la 2._o in_o the_o 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that_o episcopal_a government_n be_v inconsistent_a with_o monarchy_n with_o the_o safety_n of_o the_o kingdom_n with_o the_o liberty_n of_o the_o subject_a with_o the_o peace_n of_o the_o church_n with_o piety_n etc._n etc._n sure_o that_o same_o author_n will_v be_v ready_a to_o answer_v i_o that_o this_o must_v be_v prove_v from_o their_o receive_a principle_n nor_o from_o particular_a practice_n now_o that_o minister_n preach_v treason_n camsa_fw-la or_o commit_v any_o other_o trespass_n punishable_a by_o the_o law_n of_o the_o land_n be_v not_o to_o be_v judge_v by_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n nor_o any_o civil_a court_n but_o may_v appeal_v from_o all_o these_o to_o the_o ecclesiastical_a judicatory_n be_v none_o of_o our_o principle_n but_o it_o be_v a_o popish_a and_o prelatical_a usurpation_n as_o appear_v by_o the_o british_a ecclesiastical_a constitution_n collect_v by_o spel●●an_a so_o that_o the_o oxfordian_a miss_v his_o mark_n extreme_o when_o he_o charge_v it_o upon_o presbyterian_n who_o hold_v that_o minister_n be_v as_o much_o subject_n unto_o and_o as_o punishable_a by_o the_o magistrate_n as_o any_o other_o of_o the_o subject_n and_o as_o minister_n be_v subject_a to_o every_o ordinance_n of_o man_n so_o we_o suppose_v the_o christian_a magistrate_n will_v not_o take_v it_o ill_a to_o be_v subject_a to_o all_o the_o ordinance_n of_o jesus_n christ_n i_o shall_v give_v you_o a_o short_a but_o clear_a account_n of_o our_o judgement_n concerning_o both_o these_o in_o the_o word_n of_o the_o second_o book_n of_o the_o discipline_n of_o the_o church_n of_o scotland_n chap._n 1._o as_o minister_n be_v subject_a to_o the_o judgement_n and_o punishment_n of_o the_o magistrate_n in_o external_a thing_n if_o they_o offend_v so_o ought_v the_o magistrate_n to_o submit_v themselves_o to_o the_o discipline_n of_o the_o church_n if_o they_o transgress_v in_o matter_n of_o c●●science_n and_o religion_n and_o lest_o you_o shall_v think_v this_o proper_a to_o the_o classical_a and_o synodical_a government_n m._n cotton_n will_v tell_v you_o it_o be_v just_a so_o in_o the_o congregational_a government_n of_o the_o key_n of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n pag._n 53._o as_o the_o church_n say_v he_o be_v subject_a to_o the_o sword_n of_o the_o magistrate_n in_o thing_n which_o concern_v the_o civil_a peace_n so_o the_o magistrate_n if_o christian_n be_v subject_a to_o the_o key_n of_o the_o church_n in_o matter_n which_o concern_v the_o peace_n of_o his_o conscience_n and_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n the_o latter_a can_v be_v deny_v in_fw-la thesi_fw-la no_o more_o than_o the_o former_a and_o when_o it_o come_v to_o the_o hypothesis_n there_o be_v much_o to_o be_v trust_v to_o the_o prudence_n and_o discretion_n of_o pastor_n and_o roll_a elder_n and_o when_o all_o come_v to_o all_o the_o fail_v be_v more_o like_a to_o be_v in_o the_o defect_n then_o in_o the_o excess_n but_o to_o say_v that_o a_o