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A45303 A modest offer of some meet considerations tendered to the learned prolocvtor and to the rest of the Assembly of Divines, met at Westminster by a true lover of truth and peace. Hall, Joseph, 1574-1656. 1644 (1644) Wing H394; ESTC R14524 9,261 19

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