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A41335 Weighty questions discussed I. Whether imposition of hands in separating a person to the work of the ministry be necessry?, II. Whether it be essential to the right constitution of a particular church, that the teaching elders and the members meet alwayes in one place? : whereunto is added a prediction of Mr. Daniel Rogers, minister in Essex, long before the beheading King Charles I and Arch-Bishop Laud, foretelling that they should not dye a natural death / by Giles Firmin ... Firmin, Giles, 1614-1697.; D. R. (Daniel Rogers), 1573-1652. 1692 (1692) Wing F969; ESTC R31512 41,078 37

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〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d demum_fw-la sit_fw-la mentio_fw-la in_o their_o pray_n they_o impose_v hand_n thus_o he_o as_o to_o these_o father_n who_o thus_o use_v the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d have_v they_o be_v against_o the_o election_n of_o the_o people_n than_o i_o shall_v have_v suspect_v their_o integrity_n in_o their_o use_n of_o the_o word_n but_o the_o people_n then_o have_v their_o election_n of_o their_o bishop_n and_o presbyter_n and_o one_o thing_n i_o take_v notice_n of_o in_o the_o 5_o century_n i_o read_v of_o one_o syn●si●s_n a_o man_n of_o very_o good_a part_n who_o be_v to_o be_v ordain_v bishop_n of_o siren_n but_o when_o he_o shall_v be_v ordain_v he_o do_v not_o believe_v the_o resurrection_n of_o the_o body_n yet_o the_o people_n who_o have_v elect_v he_o be_v so_o earnest_a to_o have_v he_o ordain_v that_o theophilus_n alexand._n do_v ordain_v he_o hope_v he_o may_v believe_v it_o afterward_o as_o he_o do_v when_o i_o read_v it_o i_o think_v what_o a_o 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〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 131._o 〈◊〉_d the_o precedent_n with_o the_o presbytery_n so_o beza_n and_o raynoldus_n anglorum_fw-la eruditissimus_fw-la etc._n etc._n say_v didocla_n alta._n damas_n p._n 131._o the_o light_n of_o nature_n direct_v to_o this_o i_o will_v willing_o have_v but_o one_o instance_n give_v where_o this_o government_n be_v ever_o prejudicial_a to_o the_o church_n more_o i_o can_v say_v i_o only_o mention_v this_o that_o though_o in_o these_o point_n i_o may_v differ_v from_o my_o brethren_n beside_o what_o be_v mention_v in_o the_o agreement_n yet_o it_o hinder_v not_o my_o union_n with_o they_o what_o this_o due_a ordination_n be_v our_o brethren_n as_o i_o say_v have_v not_o tell_v we_o hence_o the_o discuss_n of_o this_o question_n fall_v not_o under_o that_o prohibition_n p._n 3._o that_o we_o must_v not_o dispute_v those_o different_a sentiment_n for_o our_o sentiment_n do_v all_o agree_v it_o must_v be_v due_a ordination_n which_o if_o it_o be_v not_o 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