threatned and yll vsed at their hands began to faynt and to be wéery of his office Cyprian hearing therof wrote comfortably vnto him and willed him in any wise to procéede shewing further what sectes and schismes ensueth in any prouince or diocesse wheras the Byshops authoritie is despised for in these words he speaketh not of the vsurped authoritie of the Byshop of Rome ouer all Churches but agaynst the insolencie of some which despising their Metropolitane or Archebyshop did with their factiousnesse trouble the Churche For he would haue an Archebyshop in euery prouince which should beare the chéefe rule ouer the rest of the Cleargie and so doe the godlyest and best learned expounde Cyprian The same Cyprian wryting to one Florentius Pupianus speaking in his owne behalfe béeing Byshoppe of Carthage sayth on this sorte Vnde schismata haereses obortae sunt oriuntur nisi dum Episcopus qui vnus est Ecclesiae praest superba quorundam praesumptione contemnitur homo dignatione dei honoratus ab hominibus indignis iudicatur From vvheÌ„ce haue heresies and schismes sprong heretofore and vvherof spring they novv but that the Byshop vvhich is one and gouerneth the church by the presumptuous disdayne of certen is despised and a man preferred by Gods allovvaunce is examined and iudged by vnvvorthy men For it is the chéefe and principal office of an Archebishop to kéepe vnitie in the Church to compound conteÌ„tions to redresse heresies schismes factions to sée that Byshops and all other of the Clergie whiche be vnder him doe their duetie c. And therefore Hierome writing vppon the first to Titus sayth that in the beginning a Byshop and a Priest was all one but after that there began to arise factions in religion some said they held of Apollo some of Paule some of Cephas and some of Chryst it was decréed that one shoulde be chosen to beare rule ouer the rest to whom the chéefe care of the Churche should appertayne and by whom sectes and schismes should be cut off Here a man may reason thus the distinction of degrées began in the Churche when men began to say I holde of Paule I holde of Apollo c. But this was in the Apostles time .1 Cor. 1. Therefore these distinctions of degrees began in the Apostles time The same Hierome in his Epistle ad Euagrium teacheth that the cause why one was chosen among the bishops to rule ouer the rest was in schismatis remedium ne vnusquisque ad se trahens Christi Ecclesiam rumpereâ— to meete vvith schismes lest euery one according to his ovvn fansie shoulde teare in peeces the Churche of Christe And sayth further that in Alexandria from S. Marke vnto Heracla and Dyonisius Byshoppes the ministers vsed to electe one among them selues whome they placing in a higher degrée called a Byshoppe euen as an armie shoulde choose their Capitayne or Deacons shoulde choose one of them selues whome they knewe to bée paynefull and call hym an Archedeacon Haec Hierom. In all these places Hierome dothe not maynteyne the authoritie of one man ouer the whole Churche but thinketh it necessarie that in euery Prouince there bée one to bée chéefe ouer the reste for vnitie sake and for rooting oute of contentions and sectes And therfore contra Luciferanos he sayth that onlesse this superioritie vvere there vvould be as many schismes in the Church as there be Priests Chrysostome writing vppon the twentith of Matthew sayth that the rebellious nature of man caused these distinctions of degrees that one shoulde be an Apostle another a Byshoppe another a Minister another a lay man And that onlesse there vvere suche distinctions of persons there could be no discipline And vpon the. 13. to the Romanes he sayth that bicause equalitie engendreth strife and contention therfore superioritie and degrees of persons vvere appoynted It is not to be denied but that there is an equalitie of all ministers of Gods worde quoad ministerium touching the ministerie for they haue al like power to preach the worde to minister the sacraments that is to say the worde preached or the Sacraments ministred is as effectuall in one in respecte of the ministerie as it is in another But quoad ordinem politiam touching order and gouernement there alwayes hathe bene and muste be degrées and superioritie among them For the Churche of God is not a confused congregation but ruled and directed as well by discipline pollicie in matters of regiment as by the worde of God in matters of fayth And therefore well sayth master Caluine in hys Institutions Cap. 8. That the twelue Apostles had one among them to gouerne the rest it vvas no maruell for nature requireth it and the disposition of man vvil so haue it that in euery company although they be all equall in povver yet that there be one as gouernour by vvhom the rest may be directed there is no court without a Consul no Senate without a Pretor no Colledge vvithout a President no societie vvithout a Master Haec Caluin Paule was superiour bothe to Timothie and Titus as it may easily be gathered out of his Epistles written vnto them Titus had superioritie ouer all the other pastours and Ministers which were in Creta for he had Potestatem constituendi oppidatim presbyteros ad Tit. 1. The which place master Caluine expounding sayth on thys sorte Discimus ex hoc loco c. We learne of this place sayth he that there was not suche equalitie among the ministers of the Churche but that one both in authoritie and councell dyd rule ouer an other Timothie bare rule ouer all the other Ministers of the Churche of Ephesus For Paule sayth vnto him 1. Tim. 5. Aduersus Presbyterum accusationem c. agaynst a Minister receyue no accusation onlesse there be tvvo or three witnesses In which words Paule maketh him a Iudge ouer the rest of the Ministers and Epiphanius Lib. 3. Tom. 1 contra heresim Aerij proueth Titus superioritie ouer the rest by this selfe same place That this worde Presbyter in this place of the Apostle signifieth a Minister of the word both Ambrose Caluin and other learned wryters declare Ignatius who was S. Iohn his scholer and lyued in Christes time in his epistle ad Tâ—rallianos speaketh thus of the authoritie of a Byshop ouer the rest Quid aliud est Episcopus quam quidam obtinens principatum potestatem supra omnes VVhat is a Bishop but one hauing povver and rule ouer all And in his epistle ad Smirnenses he writeth on this sorte Honora quidem Deum vt authorem vniuersorum Dominum Episcopum autem vt Sacordotum Principem imaginem Dei ferentem Dei quideÌ„ per principatum Christi vero per sacerdotium Honor God as the author and Lord of al things a Bishop as the chiefe of Preestes bearing the Image of God of God bicause of his superioritie of Christ by reason of his preesthod And a litle after Let lay men
house The finall ende of this discipline is the reforming of the disordered and to bring them to repentaunce and to bridle such as would offende The chiefest parte and last punishment of this discipline is excōmunication by the cōsent of the Church determined if the offender be obstinate whiche how miserably it hath bene by the Popes proctors is by our Canonists abused who seeth not In the primatiue Church it was in many mēs hāds now one alone excōmunicateth In those days it was the last censure of the church neuer wēt forth but for notorious crymes Nowe it is pronounced for euery lighte trifle Then excommunicatiō was greatly regarded and feared Nowe bycause it is a money matter no whit at all esteemed Then for great sinnes seuere punishmēt and for small offences litle censures Nowe great sinnes either not at all punished as blasphemy vsurie c or else sleightly passed ouer with pricking in a blāket or pinning in a sheete as adulterie whoredome dronkennesse c. Answere Where you speake truly and vprightly there I ioyne with you In deede excommunication whiche is the last and greatest punishmente in the Churche bycause it is commonly vsed and in euery trifling matter it is also commonly neglected and contemned I pray God it may be restored agayne to the first puritie But that excommunication was then in many mens hands the place by you alledged out of the 1. Cor. 5. proueth not as I haue before declared And although there be some defecte in the Churche touching this parte of discipline yet is not the church voide of al discipline for besides diuers profitable and godly lawes made for the correction of diuers vices there is a Commission for causes ecclesiasticall whiche both hath done and being accordingly vsed will do singuler much good in this common weale But it pleaseth not you one whit Admonition Againe such as are no sinnes as if a man cōform not himself to popish orders ceremonies if he come not at the whistle of him who hath by Gods word no authoritie to cal we meane Chauncelors Officials Doctors al that rable are greeuously punished not onely by excōmunication suspension depriuation other as they terme it spirituall coercion but also by banishing imprisoning reuiling taunting and what not Answere Here you are iudge in your owne cause and therefore you make of a mite an elephant It is méete that suche as contemne the good orders and lawes of that place where they dwell suche as make schismes factions and contentions in the Churche suche as can not or wyll not be subiecte and obedient to their superiours shoulde be by discipline either refourmed or remoued You muste not looke to liue as you liste and be without check Chauncelors Officials Doctours haue no authoritie in respect of their offices to banishe or to imprison and therfore here you nippe as you thinke some greater persons You make muche of a little too muche lenitie maketh you so wanton and so ready to cast off the yoke of due obedience How you are punished the world séeth although you and your fautors can brute abroade that you are persecuted cruelly delt with when as in very déede you haue much more fauour shewed vnto you than you deserue As for reuiling taūting it is vsual to none so muche as it is to the Papists and your selues Admonition Then the sentence was tempred according to the notoriousnesse of the facte Now on the one side either hatred agaynst some persons carrieth men headlong into rashe and cruell iudgement or else fauour affection or money mitigateth the rigour of the same and all this commeth to passe bicause the regiment lefte of Chryst to his Churche is committed into one mans hands whome alone it shall be more easie for the wicked by bribing to peruert than to ouerthrow the fayth and pietie of a zelous and godly company for suche maner of men in deede should the Seniors be Answere If in iudgement either hatred or fauour money or affection beare the stroke it is méete suche Iudges were either reformed or remoued And if you know any suche you shal do very wel in detecting of them else we muste thinke that you haue a slaunderous toung and that you speake onely of malice I suppose that you are not able to charge all Chauncelours Archedeacons c. And if these faults be not common to all but peculier to some then is it no sufficient reason you vse to condemne their offices and kind of gouernement no more than you may condemne a kingdome the authoritie of a Prince ouer a whole Realme bycause diuers kings be tyrants wicked and gouerne yll or any other office or authoritie in the common wealth which is or may be by some abused You say all this commeth to passe bicause the regiment left of Christ to his Church is cōmitted vnto one mans hands and for the proofe of this you note in the Margent the ▪ 18 of Mathew the .xij. of the first to the Corinth the .12 to the Rom. the .5 of the first to Timothie the .15 of the Acts which places béeing examined let the discrete reader iudge how aptly they serue for your purpose In the .18 of Mathew Chryst saith on this sort If thy brother trespasse agaynst thee go and tell him his faulte betweene him and thee alone c. In the which place it is by the consent of al interpreters manyfest that Christ prescribeth a rule of correcting priuate and secret sinnes and not of suche as be open and knowne to others For he would not haue priuate secret sinnes blased abroade and publikely reprehended before the partie offending be in this order first priuately admonished this maketh nothing for your purpose it taketh away authoritie of iudging and condemning from priuate men and not from publike magistrates In the .12 of the .1 to the Corinth vse .28 these be the words of the Apostle And God hath ordeyned some in the church as first Apostles secondly Prophets thirdly teachers then them that do myracles after that the gift of healing helpers gouernors diuersitie of toungs How can you gather of these words that all this commeth to passe that is hatred fauoure corruption by money and affection in iudgemente bycause the regymente lefte of Chryste to hys Churche is committed to one mans hands In these wordes the Apostle declareth that Chryst hath lefte in his Churche gouernours and thereof you may well conclude that in the Church there muste be some which shoulde haue authoritie ouer the rest The Apostle dothe not here say that in euery particuler congregation Chryst hath left many gouernours no more than he sayth that he hath lefte many pastors for one flocke but in his Churche he hath ordeyned gouernours The gouernement of the whole vniuersall Church is not by Chryst committed to one byshop or one Prince nor the gouernement of the whole worlde to one Emperour for
in the Churche or common weale But where read you that Eugenius did first inuent them Admonition The sixtenth In that the Lorde byshoppes their suffraganes Archdeacons Chauncelors officials proctors doctors summers and suche rauening rablers take vpon theÌ„ which is most horrible the rule of Gods Church spoyling the pastor of his lawfull iurisdiction ouer hys own flock giuen by the word thrusting away most sacrilegiously that order which Christe hath left to his Church and which the primatiue church hath vsed they shew they hold the doctrine with vs but in vnrighteousnesse with an outwarde shew of godlinesse but hauing denied the power therof entring not in by christ but by a Popishe and vnlawfull vocation We speake not how they make ministers by them selues alone and of their sole authoritie and that in secret places of their election and probation that it is of him to whom by no righte it belongeth And that when they haue made them either they may carry in their Colledge and lead the liues of loytring losels as long as they liue or else gad abroad with the Byshops buls like to Circumceâ—ions to preach in other mens charges where they list or else get benefices by friendship or money or flattery where they can catch theÌ„ or to coÌ„clude if al these faile that they may go vp down like beggers and fal to many follies or else as many haue done set vp billes at Paules or at the Royall exchaunge in such publike places to see if they can heare of some good masters to entertayne them into seruice Surely by the Cannon law by which the byshops reigne rule they ought to keepe those ministers which they make as loÌ„g as they haue no liuings places We know three or foure byshops in this Realme would haue kepte suche houses as neuer none did in this land if this rule had bene obserued They clapt theÌ„ out so fast by hundreds they made them pay well for their orders and surely to speak truth they were worthy for the bishops what oddes soever there were of their giftes yet in their letters gaue them all a like commeÌ„dation They put on their surplesses or else subscribed like honest men Fye vpon these stinking abominations Answere In all these wordes there is not one thing touched which is conteyned in the Communion booke therfore I might passe this parte ouer with silence noting onely your vnorderly and vndiscrete dealing who going about to deface the booke of Common prayer wander you know not whither and spende your labour in writing agaynst such things as be not in that booke once meÌ„tioned But yet something I must say to certayne things by you in this parte written without al modestie discretion or reason And first you shewe your selfe greatly offended that the pastor is spoyled of his lawful iurisdiction ouer his stocke and therfore you burst out into these wordes of heate rauening rablers horrible sacrilegiously and suche like It had bene well if you had tolde vs what that lawfull iurisdiction of the pastor ouer his stock giuen by the word had bene for the places of scripture which you quote for that purpose doe not playnly inough set out that matter In the 18. of Mathewe vse 17. after certaine admonitions in priuate offences Christ sayth Dic ecclesiae tell the Churche In which place as I tolde you before the Churche doth signifie suche as haue authoritie in the Churche or else publike reprehension in the open congregation by suche as be called thervnto It giueth not any pecâ—lier iurisdiction to the pastor for any thing that I can learne And in the same cha 18. vse where christ saith VVhat soeuer ye binde on earth shall be bound in heauen c. according to your iudgement vttered before it is mente of the whole Church not of the pastor only You haue before denied that one man can excommunicate and therefore this place maketh nothing for your assertion In the .11 of the Actes vse 30. mention is made howe the Disciples which were at Antiochia dyd according to their abilitie sende succoure to their brethren which dwelte in Iudea and that they sente it to the elders by the handes of Barnabas and Saule But what is this to the iurisdiction of the pastour This declareth that the disciples of Antiochia trusted the elders whiche were in Iudea with the distribution of their almes The .15 of the Actes in the places by you noted sheweth how Paule and Barnabas were sente to the Apostles and Elders which were at Ierusalem about the deciding of a certain question moued by certain of the sect of the Phariseys touching circumcision This declareth the vse of Councels and openeth the next and readyest way to determine controuersies but it speaketh nothing of the iurisdiction of the pastour The .xii. to the Rom. vse 7.8 hath bene sundry tymes by you alledged to no purpose at all euen as it is nowe in lyke manner The Apostle there willeth euery man that hath an office to attende vpon his office c. But he speaketh not of any peculiar iurisdiction of the pastor ouer his flocke In the first to the Phil. vs. 1. Paule and Timothie salute the Bishops and Deacons which be at Philippi How gather you therof any iurisdiction perteyning to the pastor The .1 Cor. 12. vse 28. The Apostle sayth that God hath placed in his Churche first Apostles secondely Prophetes thirdly teachers c. What is this to youre purpose or what iurisdiction of Pastors doe you gather hereof you may here learn that there is in the church diuers degrées of persons 1. Thessa. 5. Paule exhorteth them to knowe and loue suche as laboure among them he describeth no peculiar kynde of iurisdiction 1. Timo. 4. vse 14. Saint Paule willeth Timothie not to despise the gifte giuen vnto him by prophecie with the laying on of the hands of the companie of the eldership in the .1 Timo. 5. vse 17. he sayth The elders that rule well are worthie of double honour c. Which place commeth the nearest to youre purpose for here is mention made of ruling and of ministers but yet it is not declared what kind of rule this was except you will expounde it by the wordes following specially they whiche labour in worde and doctrine And this kinde of rule remayneth to the pastor still Thus you see with how little discretion lesse learning you heape vp scriptures in your margent only to deceyue the simple and ignorante who are by you too muche deluded beléeuyng what so euer you speake or wryte without any further examination If they would marke these words of yours wel they might soone vnderstand that you séek as great iurisdiction ouer them as any of those persons whome you haue here named You saye they hold the doctrine with you but in vnrighteousnesse with an outward shew of godlinesse but hauing denyed the power thereof entryng not in by Christ but by a Popish and vnlaufull
interprete it We reade in the eight of the Actes that Philip béeing a Deacon did baptize we reade also that Moses wyfe did cirumcise But where dothe this Churche of England allow any woman to baptise or deacon to celebrate the Lords supper and if it did the dignitie of the Sacraments doe not depende vpon the man be he minister or not minister be he good or euill Let euery one take héede that they do not vsurpe that authoritie wherevnto they be not called Those be your general reasons which in déede bée no reasons but bare words Your particuler reasons wherby you séeme to proue that neither of the sacraments be sincerely ministred be these that followe And first concerning the Lordes supper you reason on this sort Admonition They had no introite for Celestinus a Pope broughte it in about the yere .430 But we haue borrowed a péece of one out of the Masse booke Answere What you vnderstand here by the introite certaynlie I knowe not The first thing that we say at the Communion is the Lords prayer which Celestinus did not inuente but Chryste Mathew 6. nor first vse in the celebration of the Lordes Supper but the Apostles as we reade in good Chronicles nexte vnto that is a very godly and necessarie prayer worthy to bée sayde in the celebration of suche a mysterie and therfore no matter at all who inuented it or brought it in And yet Celestinus was a godly Byshoppe and the Churche of Rome at that time had the substaunce of the Sacraments according to Gods word neither was there any superstition mixed with them notwithstanding I know not any introite of Celestinus inuention that we haue in our order of the Communion for the introite that he appointed was one of the Psalmes as Volateranus Gratianus and Polydorus Virgilius doe testifie And we have not any Psalme in the celebration of the supper if we had it were not to be reproued This I am sure of that it is not euill bycause it is in the Masse booke excepte it be repugnaunt to the worde of God For the Lordes prayer some of the Psalmes the Gospels and Epistles the Nicene creede c. be in the Masse book and yet good so is there some other good prayers in it also Admonition They read no fragments of the Epistle and Gospell we vse both Answere And what faulte can you finde in that Is not the whole Scripture and euery péece of it profiâ—able 〈◊〉 edifie can the Scripture at any tyme in the open câ—â—gregation be read oute of season béeing in a knowne toung but I thinke your quarell is at reading not agaynst the Epistle and the Gospell Alwayes in the Churche there hath bene read the scriptures in the celebration of the mysteries and I am sure the Gospell was not wont to be read from the one ende to the other at one time Well it is but your opinion without reason that the Epistle and Gospel ought not to be read at that time for you bring no proole and I thinke the contrarie First bicause they be scripture and tend to edifie secondly bicause it hath bene the maner of long time euen since Alexanders time Anno. 111. The third The Nicene creede was not read in their communion we haue it in ours The Nicene Creede and euery parte of it is grounded vppon the worde of God it was collected by that famous Councell of Nyce to confounde that deteâ—table heresie of the Arrians and therefore méete to bée read in all Christian congregations neither â—an any mislike it but Arrians and suche lyke of the which secte you giue iuste suspitions that you bee fautours Thys Créede in this forme was not framed in the Apostles tyme bycause the heresie of Arrius was not then hatched And therfore no good reason to say it was not read in the Apostles tyme at the Communion Ergo it ought not to bée read nowe But this argument is intollerable the Nicene Créede is read at the Communion therefore the Communion is not sincerely ministred All these thrée reasons bée taken ab authoritate negatiuâ— and therefore of no force excepte we will also graunte these to bée true and suche like scilicet â–ª Then they had no â—hristian Princes and therefore we may haue no christian Princes Then they had no ciuill or politike lawes Ergo we ought to haue none Then the Churche had no externall peace but was vnder persecution Ergo it should haue no peace now Then Christians had proprietie in nothing but all things were common Ergo no man may haue any thing of his owns but common to other we doe not reade expressely that children were then baptised therefore they oughte not to be baptised nowe for so do the Anabaptistes reason neither do we reade that women dyd then receyue the Supper therfore they ought not to do it nowe with infinite other as absurde as these The fourth There was then accustomed to be an examination of the communicaÌ„ts which nowe is neglected Howe proue you that there was then any examination of communicants If there had bene either commaundement or example for it in scriptures I am sure you woulde not haue lefte it vnquoted in the margent S. Paule sayth 1. Cor. 11. Probet homo scipfum Let a man examine him selfe c. But be speaketh of no other examination wherefore this reason of yours is altogither friuolous and without reason And yet I do not disalowe the examination of communicants so there be a discrete respect had of the persons places and other circumstaunces neither it is neglected in this Churche of Englande but by learned and discrete ministers with bearning and discretion vsed But note I pray you the force of his argument some ministers neglect to examine the communicants Ergo the Communion is not rightly and sincerely ministred as though the examination of the communicants were of the substance of the sacrament If you woulde reason after your accustomed manner you should rather coÌ„clude thus the Apostles were not examined when they receyued the Communion neither is it expressed in scriptures that they examined others therefore there oughte to bée no such examination this is your vsuall manner of reasoning but it is childish vnlesse it were to conclude damnation or saluation The fifth Then they ministred with common and vsuall bread nowe with wafer cakes brought in by Pope Alexander being in forme fashion substance like their God of the alter The place you alledge Act. 2. which is this And they coÌ„tinued dayly vvith one accorde in the Temple and breaking bread at home did eate their meate togither vvyth gladnesse and singlenesse of harte maketh as muche for your purpose as it maketh for the Papists halfe communion for they alledge it to proue that the supper may be ministred with bread onely But learned interpreters and especially Master Caluyne denie this place to bée mente of the ministration of the supper howsoeuer it is vnderstanded it doth not necessarily
no one man can discharge suche a cure and therfore he hath appoynted in his Churche diuers Byshops diuers Princes many Gouernours But one Prince may suffise to gouerne one kingdome and one Archebyshoppe one Prouince as chéefe and principall ouer the rest one Byshop one Dioces one Pastor one parishe neither doth the Apostle speake any thing to the contrarie In the .xij. to the Romanes it is thus written he that ruleth with diligence What maketh this for your purpose or how can you wring it to your assertion In the .5 of the .1 to Timothie The Elders that rule well are worthy of double honour c. Paule sheweth in these words that suche are worthy their stipende and rewarde which rule well in the Churche and do their dueties diligently But what is that to your assertion The places alledged out of the fiftenth of the Actes bée of the like sorte Wheresoeuer mention is made in the Scriptures of gouernours or Elders that you alledge to improue the gouernement of one man wherein you shewe a greate wante of iudgement And yet there is no one person in this Realme the Prince onely excepted which hath suche absolute iurisdiction as you woulde make youre disciples beléeue But youre meaning is that Chryste lefte the whole gouernement of hys Churche to the Pastor and to some foure or fyue of the Parishe besides whiche you are not able to proue and your places of Scripture alledged signifie no such matter In déede as Ambrose saith writing vppon the .5 of the .1 to Timothie The Sinagoge and after the Church had seniors without whose counsell nothing was done in the Churche but that was before his time and before there was any Christian Magistrates or any Churche established neyther is there any authoritie in the whole Bible that enforceth or prescribeth that kynde of gouernement as necessarie or conueniente for all tymes no more than there is to proue that in the Churche there muste be alwayes suche as haue power to worke miracles or that haue the gift of healing and such lyke whiche offices notwithstanding are mencioned as well as gouernours in the first to the Corinth 12. Well sayth Musculus in his common places Tit. de magistratis Si reuocas temporum illorum mores primum conditiones statum quoque illorum reuoca If thou vvilt vse the manners of that tyme firste call againe the condition and state of that tyme That is let vs be withoute christian Magistrates as they were let vs be vnder tyrantes and persecutors as they were c. You say it is more easie for the wicked by brybing to peruerte corrupt one man thā to peruert ouerthrow the faith and pietie of a zealous godly cōpanie And therfore better the gouernment of the Church to bée committed to many than to one If this reason be good thē the more there be that rule the better is the gouernement and so popularis status erit optimus reipublicae status against all both diuinitie and Philosophie For we sée that God himselfe in his common weale of Israell did alwayes allowe the gouernement and superioritie of one ouer the rest bothe in the tyme of Iudges and after in the tyme of the kings And in the new Testament we may also sée that kynde of gouernement moste allowed of .1 Peter .2 But I will not here reason with you in this matter and call that into question whiche hath ben by so many learned menne determined and by the examples of all good common weales confirmed You that woulde haue all brought to suche a popularitie I pray you tell me in how many parishes in Englande coulde you fynde suche Pastors and suche Seniors as you say should be In those places that be gouerned by many doe you not sée what contention there is what enimitie what factions what partes taking what confusion what little good order obserued what carelesnesse and dissolutenesse in all manner of behauiour I coulde make this manifest by examples if I were disposed In the .18 of Exodus which place you quote to proue that Seniors ought to be zelous and godly Iethro giueth Moyses counsell not to wearie himselfe in hearing all matters that be brought vnto him but rather to commit the hearing determining of smaller matters to others And therefore verse .21 he sayth Prouide thou among all the people men of courage fearing God men dealyng truly hating couetousnesse and appoint such ouer them to be rulers ouer thousandes rulers ouer hundredes rulers ouer fifties and rulers ouer tennes c. This maketh nothing for Seniors Moses here was chiefe these were but his vnder officers placed by himselfe This place serueth well for the gouernement of one Prince ouer one whole realme and giueth him good counsell what vnder officers he ought to choose To the same effecte and purpose is that spoken and written which you cite out of the fyrst of Deuteron vse .13 Admonition Then it was sayd tell the Churche nowe it is spoken complayne to my Lordes grace Primate and Metropolitane of all England or to hys inferioure my Lorde Bishoppe of the Diocesse if not to him shewe the Chancelloure or Officiall or Commissarie or Doctoure Answere As it was said thē so ought you and may you say now In priuate offences if priuate admonitiōs will not serue then must you declare them to the Churche either by reprehending of them publiquely before the whole cōgregation if you be called therevnto for that is one kinde of telling the Churche or else by complayning to suche as haue authoritie in the Church for in that place of Matthew as all learned interpreters both old and new doe determine the Church signifieth such as haue authoritie in the Churche Therefore when you complaine to my Lords grace Lord Byshop of the dioces or their Chauncelloures Commissaries c you tell the Church that is suche as be appointed to be publique Magistrates in the Church according to the very true sense and interpretation of that place Admonition Agayne whereas the excommunicate were neuer receyued tyll they had publiquely confessed their offence Now for paying the fees of the Courte they shall by mayster Officiall or Chauncelloure easyly be absolued in some priuate place Then the congregation by the wickednesse of the offendoure greeued was by publique penaunce satisfied Nowe absolution shall be pronounced though that be not accomplished Then the partie offending shuld in his owne person heare the sentence of absolution pronounced Nowe Bishops Archdeacons Chauncellours Officials Commissaries and suche like absolue one man for an other And this is that order of ecclesiasticall discipline which all godly wishe to be restored to the ende that euery one by the same may bee kept within the limittes of his vocation and a greate number be broughte to liue in godly conuersation Answere If Chauncellors Cōmissaries c. do as you here charge them they do that whiche by Gods lawe they can not iustifie But I acknowledge my
readers parish preests stipendaries and riding chaplaines that vnder the authoritie of theyr masters spoyle their flocks of the foode of their soules such seeke not the Lord Iesus but their owne bellies cloudes that are without rayne trees without frute painted sepulchers full of dead bones fatted in all abundance of iniquitie and leane locusts in all feeling knowledge and sinceritie Answere It is true that couetous patrones of benefices be a great plage to this church and one of the principall causes of rude and ignorante ministers God graunte some spéedy reformation in that point Neither can I excuse al persons vicars c. But al this is spoken without the booke and therefore not fiâ—ly of you alledged against the booke Admonition The nineteenth What shoulde we speake of the Archbishops Courte sith all men know it and your wisdome can not but see what it is As all other Courts are subiecte to this by the Popes prerogatiue yea and by statute of this Realme yet vnrepealed so is it the filthy quauemire and poysoned plashe of all the abominations that do infecte the whole Realme We speake not of licences graunted out of this Courte to marrie in forbidden tymes as in lente in aduente in the gang weeke when banners and belles with the preest in his surplesse singing Gospells and making crosses raungeth aboute in many places vppon the ember dayes and to forbidden persons and in exempte places We make no mention of licences to eate white meate and flesh in Lente and that wyth a safe conscience for rich men that can buy them with money nor we saye nothing howe dearely men pay for them As for dispensations with beneficed boyes tollerations for non resideÌ„ts bulles to haue two benefices to haue three to haue more and as many as they lift or can get these are so common that all Godly and good men are compelled with griefe of harte to crie out vpon such abhominations We omitte excommunication for money absolution for the same and that by absoluing one man for another which how contrarie it is to the scriptures the complaints of many learned men by propositions in open schooles proposed by writings in printed bookes set out and by preaching in opeÌ„ pulpits haue ben sufficiently witnessed To coÌ„clude this filthy Courte hath full power togither with the authoritie of this pettie Pope Metropolitane and primate of all England to dispence in all causes wherein the Pope was wont to dispence vnder whiche are conteyned more cases and causes than wee are able to recken As for my Lordes grace of Yorke we deale not with hym We referre him to that learned Epistle whiche Beza wrote vnto hym about these matters Answere I thinke this Court to be necessarie for the state of this Churche and Realme and if there be abuses in it eyther in the lawe it selfe or in the persons I wish it were reformed But the whole order of the Courte is not therefore to be condemned no more than it is of other Courts which cannot be missed and yet haue abuses in them I confesse my selfe to haue little experieÌ„ce in such matters and therefore I will speake the lesse thereof As I do mislike that there should be any time forbiddeÌ„ to marrie in for that can haue no good meaning or any dispensations for boyes to kéep benefices or excommunications and absolutions for money or one man to be absolued for another and if there be any other suche like abuse so do I vtterly condemne your vnsemely and vnchristian termes as filthy quauemire poysoned plashe of all abominations filthy Courte especially considering wherof they be spoken to whome and by whome they argue a scolding nature and a stomacke boyling with contempt of lawes and superiours Neither can I suffer you to slaunder not that Courte but thys Churche with manifest vntruthes as you do when you saye that banners bells and making of crosses be allowed to bee vsed in the gang weeke and that the Archebishops Courte hath full power to dispence in all causes wherin the Pope was wont to dispeÌ„ce which both be most vntrue I thinke in dispensations this Courte goeth no further than the lawes of the Realme do permitte Agreable to this spirite is your contemptuous speach vsed to both the Archbishops men to be reuerenced not only in the respecte of their yeares and authoritie but of their singuler wisdome grauitie learning and sounde religion also Howbeit you reuerence them as you do all other that be in authoritie except some whome you do but séeke to vse to bring your intents to passe I will saye no more I thinke you haue abused master Beza with your false reports which hath caused him to write otherwise than he woulde do if he knewe the whole state of the controuersie So you haue also abused other notable learned men and caused them to write according to your phansie which since that time being truly enformed haue by their letters which are to be séene both condemned your contentiousnesse and their owne to much credulitie But our faith and Churche dependes neyther vppon Master Beza nor any other man neyther do they looke for any such prerogatiue But still you are without the booke You bid vs in the margent to proue that the regiment of the Church should be spirituall reade Ephe. 1. verse 23. 1. Thessa. 5. vers 13.1 Timo. 5. vers 2. Hebr. 10. vers 30. In the place to the Ephe. the Apostle saith that God hath appointed Christ to be the head of the Church which is his body euen the fulnesse of him that filleth all in all things Here we learne that Christ is the head of the church But how proues this that the gouernement of the church is only spirituall will you hereby take away ciuill magistrates and other gouernours that God hath placed in his Church It is subtilly done of you to quote the places only and not to apply them nor to conclude of them For surely if you had layde downe the words and applied theÌ„ to your purpose not wise and learned only but very children would haue laughed you to scorne In the .1 Thess. 5. The Apostle beseecheth them to loue suche for their vvorkes sake as laboure among them are ouer them in the Lorde and admonish them What argument call you this S. Paule moues the Thessalonians to loue their pastours Ergo the gouernement of the Church is only spirituall In the first Timothie 5. vers 2. he willeth Timothie to exhorte the elder vvomen as mothers the yonger as sisters whereuppon you conclude thus elder women must be exhorted as mothers the yonger as sisters wyth all purenesse Ergo the gouernement of the Church must be spirituall In the .10 Hebr. vers 30. it is thus written For we know him that hath saide vengeance belongeth vnto me I vvill recompence saith the Lorde And againe the Lorde shall iudge his people Uengeaunce belongeth to God and he shall iudge hys people Ergo the gouernemente
the Christian congregation concerning the same haue boldely enterprised to stirre vp many and heynous errours For if these reasons should take place the Apostles vsed it not Ergo it is not lawfull for vs to vse it or this either they did it Ergo we must needes do it then no Christians may haue any place to abide in they maye haue no Christian Princes no ministration of sacraments in Churches and suche like for the Apostles had no place to abide in they had no Christian Princes to gouerne them no churches to minister sacraments in c. Likewise we must haue al things common we must departe with al our possessions when we be conuerted to the Gospell baptise abroade in the fields minister the communion in priuate houses only be alwayes vnder the crosse and vnder Tyrants and such like For the Apostles had al thinges common departed from their possessions baptized abroade in fieldes ministred the communion in priuate houses were alwayes vnder persecutors and Tyrants c. 2. Another kind of argumente is much like vnto this and is taken ab authoritate negatinè which in matters of saluation and damnation holdeth when we reason ab authoritate scripturae from the authoritie of the scripture but not else For this argument it is not commaunded in the scripture to be done nor there expressed Ergo it ought not to be done is so far out of the way and so erronious that it is not tollerable for it taketh away the most parte of all due circumstances without the which either after one manner or other the very institutions of Christ cannot be obserued For how is it possible to receiue the holy Communion but either sitting standing knéelling walking or lying either at one time or other in the morning or at night before meate or after meate clothed or naked in this place or in that place c. and yet none of these circumstances are in scripture commaunded or by necessary collection may thereof be gathered the same is to be said of the obseruatioÌ„ of times of common prayers and other conuenient and necessarie orders in the Church If this argumente were good then all good lawes and ordinances made for the aduancing of true religion and establishing of good orders were to be abolished whiche were the very roote and welspring of stubbornesse obstinacie sedition disobedience and confusion 3. The third kind of argument is called petitio principij whiche is when a man frameth vnto himselfe principles of his owne deuise grounded neither vpon authoritie neither yet upon substantial reason and then vpon the same will conclude his purpose which is vit â—â—sissimum genâ—â— argumentands a very erronious kynde of reasoning as these men doo in vsing these two false principles the one when they say that to be inuented by an Antichristian Pope which was not so inuented the other when they say that nothing may be vsed in the Church of Christ which was inuented by the Pope or vsed in the Popes Churche which can not be true as in sundrie places of the boke I haue declared The selfe same reasons moued the Aërians to forsake the order of the Churche and to commaunde their Disciples to do the contrarie of that that the Church did We borrow good lawes of the Gentiles and we vse the Churches Belles Pulpits and many other things vsed of Papists c. 4. The fourthe kynde of reason is of negatiues by comparison as this Priestes and Ministers are to be known by their doctrine not by their apparel Ergo they ought not to haue distinct apparell from other men This argumente followeth not for negatives by comparison are not simplie to be vnderstanded but by the way coÌ„parison And therefore of the former sentence thus we may conclude that the apparell is not to be estéemed as a note of difference in comparison to learning doctrine and yet a note As when Paule sayth that Chryst sente him not to baptise but to preache the Gospell 1 Cor. 1. And God by his Prophete I wil have mercy and not sacrifice Ose. 6. and Mat. 9. 5. The fift is ab eo quod est non causam vt causam ponere vvhen that is taken for the cause of any thing vvhich is not the cause as when they condemne the booke of common prayer and a prescript forme of seruice bycause as they say it mainteineth an vnlerned or as they term it a reading ministerie wheÌ„ as the boke is not the cause of it neither yet a prescripte forme of prayer but either the parties themselues that be vnlearned or they that do admitte them or else both This kind of argument is vsuall in the Admonition There be other vnlearned and vnskilfull reasons vsed in this booke whiche may easily be discerned euen of children and therefore I here omit them Thus much I thought good generally to write which being duly considered the booke it selfe needeth no other kinde of confutation To the Christian Reader I Am not ignorant to what dangers especially of vncharitable slanderous tongs I haue made my selfe subiecte by taking vpon me this worke notwithstanding my reaconing is made and I have armed my selfe against the worst being taught so to do by the opprobrious speach of diuers who as busy bodies intermedling in other mens matters more than it becommeth them do therof iudge most vnchristianly and reporte most vntruly beleuing as partial Iudges whatsoeuer is reported howsoeuer falsely and vniustly But as I with all my harte for my parte forgiue them and wish vnto them more Christian hartes indifferent eares and charitable mouthes So do I exhorte thée Christian reader to abstaine from all suche rancor and other partiall and sinister affections in reading of this my booke And thinke of me as of one that to speake the truth to testifie his conscience to mainteyne the peace and quietnesse of the Churche to withstande erronious opinions or contentious doctrine will neither spare his laboure nor his fame and yet not so stiffely addicted to his owne opinion but that he can be contented to submitte hym selfe to better authoritie and reasons than he him selfe hath And I besée thée receyue this admonition at my hande Trie before thou trust beleue not lightly euery reporte as thou hast two eares so vse them both condemne no maÌ„ before he be heard abstaine from speaking euill of any wheÌ„ he is not present to make thée answere for that is a great iniurie respect not the person but the cause and let not euery pretenced zeale carrie thée headlong thou knowest not whether and suspende thy iudgement of this booke vntill thou hast aduisedly and indifferently redde the same Correction of faultes escaped in this booke In the ende of the Epistle dedicatorie for O deare spouse reade O deare spouse of Christ Folio 23. line 8. for est reade sunt Fol. 32. lin 34. for the trusteth reade he trusteth Fol. 33. lin 24. for are not come read are not scarce come Fol. 42. lin 20.
be And it is the common opinion of all writers that these words of Chryst do not condemne superioritie Lordeshippe or any suche lyke authoritie but the ambitious desire of the same and the tyrānical vsage thereof Musculus expounding these places sayth in this sorte VVhosoeuer vvill be great among you c. He sayth not no man ought to be chiefe among you vvhich he shoulde haue said if it had not ben lawful in the kingdome of God for some to be great and chiefe or if it had ben necessarie that all shoulde haue bene in all things equall the Celestiall spirits are not equal the stars be not equal the Apostles them selues vvere not equall Peter is found in many places to haue ben chiefe amōg the rest vvhich vve do not denie Therfore this is not Christes meaning to haue none great or chiefe among Christians seeing the very necessitie of our state requireth that some be superiours and betters so far is it from beeing repugnaunt to charitie In a common vveale it is necessarie that some should excell other so is it in a vvell ordered familie In like maner there must be in the Churche gouernours presidents rulers of vvhome Paule maketh mention Ro. 12. 1. Cor. 12. Heb. 13. As there is also in the body some principall mēbers some inferiour c. Therfore Christ doth not require that in his kingdome all should be equall but this he doth require that none should desire to be great or to be thought and counted chiefe Hitherto Musculus Which interpretation muste néedes be true else we may say that Christe in this place reiecteth and disalloweth the Princes and Magistrates of the Gentiles and also forbiddeth the same among Christians which is false and Anabaptisticall Likewise the same Musculus sayth that Chryste teacheth in this place what he ought to be in déede that desireth to beare rule ouer other to wit that he ought to be a seruaunt to other that is as he dothe interprete it to profite other and to serue for the cōmoditie of other for though the name of a prince and of a lorde be a name of honor and dignitie yet is it the office of a prince lorde to serue those which be vnder thē in gouerning of them carefully and in prouiding for their wealth and peace Moreouer the Greke wordes that Chryste vseth in all these places as 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 doe signifie to rule with oppression and to rule as a man list Furthermore Christe doth not say that no man shall be great among them or beare rule but he sayth Quicunque voluerit inter vos magnus fieri c. He that desireth to be great among you c. To conclude it is manyfest that in Matthewe and Marke he reproueth the ambition of the sonnes of Zebedie who ambitiously desired the one to sitte on hys right hande the other on his lefte And in Luke the ambition of the rest of the Apostles who contended among themselues which of them should be greatest So that it is playne that these places suppresse ambition and desire of rule in all kinde of men and not superioritie not magistracie not iurisdiction in any kinde of persons Touching the place in the .23 of Mat. where Chryste said vnto his disciples Be not you called Rabbi call no man father be not called maisters Who is so ignorant to thinke that Christ forbiddeth by these wordes one Christen man to call another lorde maister father shal not children call their parents father shall not scholers call their teacher maister And shall not seruauntes call him master vnder whose gouernement they are Is it not lawfull for one to call an other maister doctour father lorde c Paule notwithstanding these wordes of Christ 1. Cor. 4. calleth himself their father and. 1. Ti. 2. he calleth himself the doctour of the Gētiles Wherfore it is manifest that these names be not here prohibited muche lesse the offices but only the pharisaicall ambitious and arrogant affection of superioritie As it is also manifest by this that foloweth VVho so euer exalteth himselfe c. And surely as Christe condemneth here the ambitious affectiō of such as ambitiously desire these names of superioritie so doth he in like maner cōdemne those who be so puffed vp with pride and arrogācie that they contemne and disdayne to call men in authoritie by the titles of their offices For pride contempt and arrogancie is as well in refusing to giue honoure and reuerence as it is in ambitious desiring the same But the chiefe purpose of Christe in this place is to teache vs not so to depende vpon men as though it were not lawfull to breake their decrées or to decline from their authoritie For there is one only Father Lorde and maister to whome wée are so bounde that by no meanes wée maye declyne at any tyme from hys preceptes These places therfore may be aptly alledged against the pride tyrannie and ambitiō of the Bishop of Rome whiche séeketh tyrannically to rule and not to profite But it maketh nothing at all against the lawfull authoritie of any other in any state or condition of men Howe aptly that place of the .24 of Mathew But if the euill seruaunt shall say in his heart c. is alleaged let all men iudge I thinke it forbiddeth not to punishe suche as breake good lawes But Lorde how these men are beaten which do as they liste say what they liste and that with reioycing thereto that is if they be no otherwise beaten than hitherto they haue bene they will not only with schismes and factions teare in sunder this Churche of Englande but in time ouerthrow the whole state of the common wealth To proue that either we muste haue a righte ministerie of God and a righte gouernement of his Church according to the Scriptures set vp c. or else there can be no right religion c. is alleaged the ninth of Matth. the fourth to the Ephe. and the eightenth of Math. In the ninth of Mat. the place they alleage is this Surely the haruest is great but the labourers be fevve vvherefore c. In the fourth to the Ephe. He therefore gaue some to be Apostle c. In the eightenth of Mathew If thy brother trespasse agaynst thee c. The first place declareth that Ministers of the words are necessarie in Christes Churche The seconde that there is diuers kindes and degrées of them And the thirde sheweth an order of correcting secrete sinnes and priuate offences and medleth not with those that be open and knowne to other Nowe therefore consider to what purpose those places be noted in the margente and howe little they proue that which is concluded As for all the rest of the places of Scripture that followeth noted in the margent of this preface I knowe not to what purpose they be alleaged but onely for vayneglorie to bleare the eyes of the ignorant people and to make them beléeue that all
that which is written in this booke is nothing else but Scripture it selfe They haue delt very subtilly to cote the places onely and not to set them downe in playne words for by this meanes they thinke that of the moste parte it shall neuer be vnderstanded howe vnaptly and to what small purpose they be alleaged This name Puritane is very aptely giuen to these men not bicause they be pure no more than were the Heretikes called Cathari but bicause they think them selues to be mundiores cateris more pure than others as Cathari dyd and seperate them selues from all other Churches and congregations as spotted and defyled Bicause also they suppose the Church which they haue deuised to be without all impuritie An answere to the admonition Admonition SEing that nothing in this mortall life is more diligently to be sought for and carefully to be looked vnto than the restitution of true religion reformation of Gods church it shall be your partes dearly beloued in this present Parliament assembled as muche as in you lieth to promote the same and to employ your whole labour and studie not onely in abandoning all Popish remnants bothe in ceremonies regiment but also in bringing in and placing in Gods churche those things onely which the Lord himselfe in his word cōmandeth Because it is not enough to take paynes in taking away euil but also to be occupied in placing good in the stead therof Now because many men see not all things and the worlde in this respect is maruellously blinded it hath bene thoughte good to prosfer to your godly considerations a true platforme of a Churche reformed to the ende that it beeing layd before your eyes to beholde the great vnlikenesse betweene it this our English church you may learne either with perfect hatred to detest the one and with singular loue to embrace and carefull endeuour to plant the other or else to be without excuse before the maiestie of oure God who for the discharge of our conscience and manifestation of his truth hath by vs reuealed vnto you at this present the sinceritie and simplicitie of his Gospell Not that you should either wilfully with stande or vngratiously tread the same vnder your feete for God doth not disclose his wyll to any suche end but that you should yet now at the length with al your mayne and might endeuour that Chryst whose easie yoke and lyghte burthen we haue of long time cast of from vs mighte rule and reigne in his Church by the scepter of his worde onely Aunswere I Will not aunswere words but matter nor bare affirmations or negations but reasons and therfore in as few words as I can I will comprehende many lines But before I enter into their reasons I thinke it not amisse to examine that assertion which is the chiefe and principall grounde so farre as I can gather of their Booke that is that those things onely are to bée placed in the Churche which the Lorde him selfe in his worde commaundeth As though they shoulde say nothing is to be tollerated in the Churche of Chryste touching either doctrine order ceremonies discipline or gouernement except it he expressed in the worde of god And therfore the most of their argumentes in this booke be taken ab authoritate negatiuè which by the rules of Logique proue nothing at all It is moste true that nothing ought to be tolerated in the Churche as necessarie vnto saluation or as an article of faith except it be expresly conteined in the worde of God or may manifestly therof be gathered and therfore we vtterly condemne reiect Transubstantiation the sacrifice of the Masse the authoritie of the bishop of Rome woorshipping of Images c. And in this case an argumente taken Ab authoritate Scripturae negatiuè is most strong As for example It is not to be found in Scripture that the Bishop of Rome ought to be the head of the Church and therfore it is not necessarie to saluation to beléeue that he ought to be the head of the Churche c. It is also true that nothing in ceremonies order discipline or gouernement in the Churche is to be suffered béeing against the worde of God And therfore wee reiect all ceremonies wherein there is any opinion to saluation woorshipping of God or merite As créeping to the crosse holy breade holy water holy candle c. But that no ceremonie order discipline or kynde of gouernement may be in the Churche except the same be expressed in the worde of God is a great absurditie and bréedeth many inconueniences The Scripture hath not prescribed any place or time wherin or when the Lords Supper shoulde be celebrated neyther yet in what manner The Scripture hath not appoynted what tyme or where the congregation shall méete for common prayer and for the hearing of the worde of God neyther yet any discipline for the correcting of suche as shall contemne the same The scripture hath not appoynted what daye in the wéeke should be moste méete for the Sabboth day whether Saterday whiche is the Iewes Sabboth or the day now obserued which was appointed by the church The Scripture hath not determined what forme is to be vsed in Matrimonie what woordes what prayers what exhortations The Scripture speaketh not one woorde of standing sitting or knéelyng at the Communion of méetyng in Churches fieldes or houses to heare the word of God of preaching in pulpets chaires or otherwise of baptizing in fontes in basons or riuers openly or priuatly at home or in the churche euery day in the wéeke or on the Sabboth day only And yet no man as I suppose is so simple to thinke that the Church hathe no authoritie to take order in these matters I pray you what mente Sainct Paule in the .1 Corinth 14. after he had prescribed certayne orders vnto them to bée obserued in the Churche thus generally to conclude Omnia decenter ordine fiant Lette all things be doone decently and in order Dothe hée not there giue vnto them authoritie to make orders in the Churche so that all thynges hée doone in order and decently The best interpreters doo vnderstande this as a general rule giuen vnto the churche to examine hir traditions and constitutions by And therefore without all doubte their iudgemente is that the Churche hath authoritie in external things to make orders and appoynte lawes not expressed in the woorde of GOD so that thys rule of the Apostle bée obserued Nowe if eyther godly Councels or auncient fathers were any thing at all regarded of these men as they be not suche is their arrogancie this controuersie mighte soone be decided For the most auncient fathers and best learned as Iustinus Martyr Irenaeus Tertulian Cypriā and other do expresly declare that euen from the Apostles tyme the Churche hath always had authoritie in suche matters and hath obserued diuers orders ceremonies not once mencioned in the worde of God.
That notable learned father Augustine hathe diuers sayings touching this matter worthie to be noted In his Epistle ad Casulanum 86 he sayeth thus In his rebus de quibus nihil certi statuit scriptura diuina mos populi Dei vel instituta maiorum pro lege tenenda est In those thyngs vvherein the holie Scripture hath determined no certaintie the custome of the people of God and the traditions or decrees of our forfathers are to be holden for a lavve Whereby it is manifeste that those things maye be reteyned in the Churche whiche are not expressed in the Scripture In the same Epistle he reporteth the aunswere that Ambrose made vnto him béeing demaunded whether it were lawfull to faste on the Sabboth day or not to fast séeing that among the Churches there was some diuersitie in this pointe Quando hiâ— sum saith he non ieiuno Sabbato quando Romae sum ieiâ—no Sabbato ad quamcunque ecclesiam veneritis eius morem seruate si pati scandalum non vultis aut fâ—cere VVhen I am here I fast not on the Sabboth when I am at Rome I doe fast on the Sabboth and to vvhat Churche soeuer you come keepe the custome thereof if you vvill neyther suffer offence nor giue offence The whole Epistle is woorthie of reading That whiche hée wryteth in his Epistle Ad Ianuarium .118 is a moste playne declaration of hys Iudgement in this matter Illa autem quae non scripta sed tradita custodimus quae quidem toto terrarum orbe obseruantur dantur intelligi vel ab ipsis Apostolis vel plenarijs concilijs quorum est in ecclesia saluberrima authoritas coÌ„mendata atque statuta retineri sicuti quod Domini passio resurrectio ascensio in coelum aduentus de coelo Spiritus sancti anniuersaria solennitate celebraÌ„tur si quid aliud tale occurrerit quod seruatur ab vniuersa quacunque se diffundit ecclesia Those things vvhich be not vvritten but kept by tradition vvhich are obserued thorovv the vvhole vvorlde are to be vnderstanded either to be deliuered vnto vs from the Apostles themselues or else decreed by generall Councels vvhose authoritie is greate in the Churche as that vvee yearely with solemnitie celebrate the passion of the Lord and his resurrection his ascension into heauen and the coÌ„ming of the holy Ghoste and if there be any other thing that is obserued of the vvhole Churche And againe Quod neque contra fidem neque contra bonos more 's iniungitur indifferenter est habendum pro eorum inter quos viuitur societate seruandum est That vvhiche is enioyned being neyther against faith nor good manners is to be counted indifferent and to be obserued as the societie of those vvith vvhome vve liue requireth In the same epistle answering this question whether vpon the Thursday before Easter the Lordes Supper should be celebrated in the morning or at night bicause Christ did institute this sacrament and deliuer the same to his disciples after Supper he giueth these three rules worthie to be noted the first is this If the holie Scripture prescribe any thing to be done there is no doubt but that must be obserued as it is there prescribed The second is this That if any thing be vniuersally obserued of the vvhole Churche not repugnant to the Scriptures for so he meaneth not to keepe that or to reason of that is madnesse The thirde If it be not vniuersally obserued but diuersly in diuers Churches Faciat quisque quâ—d in â—a ecclesia in qua venit inuenerit â–ª Lette euery man doe as hee findeth in that church in to the vvhich he commeth modâ— non sit contra fidem aut contra mores â–ª So that it bee not against faith or good manners For so he â—ddeth In the same Epistle againe he sayth That the Lorde hath not in scripture declared in vvhat order and manner his Supper should be celebrated but left that to his disciples And in his hundred and nintéenth Ad Ianuarium In those things sayth he that be diuersly obserued in diuers places this rule as most profitable is to be kepte that those things vvhiche be not against faithe neyther good manners and make something to exhorte vnto a better life vvheresoeuer they are instituted vvee ought not onely not to disallovve them but to prayse them and to follovv them By all these places of this learned father it is euidente that it hathe bene receyued from tyme to tyme as a certayne trouth that the Churche of Christe hathe authoritie to ordeyn and constitute as shall be necessarie in those thyngs before of me rehersed For a further proofe héereof I coulde alledge that auncient and learned father Iustinus Martyr in his seconde Apologie pro Christianis and in his booke of questions Tertullian in his booke De corona militis Basile also in his .63 Epistle written to the mynisters in Neocesaria â–ª Eusebius libr. 5. Ecclesiasti histor cap. 25. 26. and diuers other but I omitte them for breuitie sake Neyther doe I alledge these learned Fathers bicause I thynke their authoritie any thing at all preuayleth with the authours of the Libell but foâ— the wyse discréete humble and learned whose humilitie and wisedom will not suffer them to despise the iudgements of so learned and godly fathers But I trust maister Caluines iudgement will wey somethyng with them who in his Institutions Cap. 13. Sects 31. C. 32. speakyng of Traditions saythe on this sorte Bycause the LORD hath bothe faythfully and plainly comprehended and declared in the holie â—criptures the vvhole summe of true righteousnesse and all the partes of the true vvoorshippyng of hym and vvhat so euer is necessarie vnto saluation therefore in those things he is only to be hearde as a maister or teacher But bycause in external discipline and ceremonies he vvould not particularly prescribe what we ought to folow bicause he foresaw that this depended vppon the state and condition of the tyme neyther did iudge one forme or manner to be agreable to all ages here we must haue respect to those generall rules vvhiche he gaue that according to them might bee examined suche things as the necessitie of the Churche requireth to be commaunded for order and decencie Fynally bycause in these thinges he hathe expressed nothing for that they are neyther necessarie to saluation and may be diuersly applied to the edifying of the church accordyng to the manner and custome of euery countreye and age Therefore as the commoditie of the Church requireth and as shall be thought coÌ„uenient both the olde may be abrogated and new appointed I graunt that vvee muste not rashely nor often nor for euery light cause make innouations But what hurteth and vvhat edifyeth Charitie vvill beste iudge vvhyche if wee wyll suffer too bee the moderatrix all shall bee safe and vvell Novve it is the office of Christian people vvith a free conscience vvithoute Superstition vvith a godlie mynde and
but of deacons which were appointed to make prouision for the poore only as you say neither did the multitude of the disciples for so they be called electe them before they were willed so to do by the twelue Apostles It may be that some vse to run and ryde and by vnlawfull sute and buying preuent others and it may be that you haue experience hereof all doe not so this is the faulte of the man not of the callyng you may not ascribe mens infirmities to a lawfull order The rule may be good though it be by some broken The sixth Then no minister placed in any congregation but by the consente of the people nowe that authoritie is giuen into the handes of the Bishop alone who by his sole authoritie thrusteth vpon them suche as they many tymes as wel for vnhonest life as also for lack of learning may and do iustly dislyke To proue that no minister was placed in any congregation but by coÌ„sent of the people you alledge the. 14. of the Acts and of the. 2. to the Corinth the. 8. chapter In the 14. of the Acts vers 23. for the which you haue quoted the 13. it is thus written when they that is Paule and Barnabas had ordeyned them elders by election for so is some traÌ„slatioÌ„ in euery church prayed fasted c. The text is plain that Paule Barnabas did ordeyn them elders the gréek word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 although it signify to elect by putting vp of hands yet it is the common opinion almost of al ecclesiastical writers that this word in scripture is vsed for the solemn maner of ordring mynisters by the imposition of hands Surely howsoeuer the word is taken yet here is no generall rule prescribed of electing ministers You may as well conclude that al thinges ought to be common among Christians bycause wée reade Acts. 2. that all those whiche beléeued had all things coÌ„mon among them and that those whiche be conuerted to the Gospell oughte to sell their goodes and landes to bée distributed at the discretion of the mynisters bicause they did so Art. 2. 3. In the. 2. to the Corinthians 8. The Apostle declareth how the Churches had chosen Luke or as some thynke Barnabas to bée his companion in his iourney â–ª But what makes thys for electing of Mynisters Howe followeth this argument The Churches had chosen Luke or Barnabas to bée Paules companyon in hys iourney therfore ministers of the woorde muste be elected by the people These thrée last reasons are all one the places of scripture which I haue set downe answered be alledged of you to proue that the election of ministers was then made by the coÌ„mon consent of the people and that euery coÌ„gregation had authoritie to cal their ministerie I doe not denye but in the apostles tyme and after euen to Cyprians tyme the peoples consent was in many places required in the appointing of ministers But I saye that in the whole Scripture there is no commaundement that it should so be nor any example that maketh therein any necessarie or generall rule but that it may be altered as tyme and occasion serueth For in suche matters not commaunded or prohibited in Scripture touching ceremonies discipline and gouernement the Churche hath authoritie from tyme to tyme to appoynte that whiche is moste conuenient for the presente state as I haue before declared And I adde that howesoeuer in the Apostles tyme that kinde of electing and calling ministers was conuenient and profitable now in this state of the Church it were most pernicious and hurtfull First bicause in the apostles time the church was vnder the crosse and therfore very few in comparison was there that embraced the gospel and commonly they kept together or at the least met oftentimes so that one of them was thorowly knowne to another and they themselues could best iudge who amoÌ„g them was the â—ittest to teach and instruct hauing always diuers fit for that function Now the church is in prosperitie and therfore the number that professeth great and dispersed into dyuers places and in moste parishes not one fit for the ministerie among them or knowne vnto them so that they should call they knowe not whome Secondly in the Apostles tyme all or the moste that were Christians were vertuous and godly and such as did sincerely professe the worde and therefore the election of their pastour might safely be committed to them nowe the churche is ful of hypocrites dissemblers drunkardes whoore mongers c. so that if any election were committed to them they would be sure to take one like to themselues Thirdly in the Apostles time al that professed Christ had knowledge and were able to iudge who were méetes to be their pastour Now the most be ignorant and without iudgement in suche matters Fourthly in the Apostles tyme there was in the Churche no Idolaters no superstitious persons no Papistes nowe the Churche is full of Papists Atheistes and suche lyke Who séeth not therfore what straunge ministers we should haue if the election of them were committed to their seuerall parishes Fifthly in the Apostles time there was no Churche established béeing then no christian Magistrates and therefore the state of the Churche was popular nowe there is christian Magistrates and a Church established and subiect to rulers c. Therefore this diuersitie of the state of the Churche requireth a diuers kinde of gouernement and an other kinde of ordeyning Ministers For this cause in Concilio Laodicensi which was Anno. 334. it was decréed that the election of Ministers should not be permitted to the people This alteration of gouernement and orders in the Churche of Chryst is well set out by Ambrose in the. 4. to the Ephe. vpon these words Et ipse dedit c. where he saith on this sorte That the nuÌ„ber of Christians might encrease and be multiplied in the beginning it vvas permitted to euery one to preache the Gospel to baptise and to expounde the Scriptures but vvhen the Churche vvas enlarged there vvere certaine parishes appoynted and gouernours and other officers ordeined in the Churche c. Therfore the vvritings of the Apostles do not in al things agree vvith the orders that are now in the Church Thus farre Ambrose Musculus also in his coÌ„mon places answering to this question why that ministers of the word are not chosen nowe by the ministers and the people as they were in the primatiue Church but appointed by the Magistrate sayth thus Talis tum Ecclesiarum erat statiu vt aliter non essent eligendi ministri quia Christiano magistratu destituebantur Sireuocas temporum illorum mores primum conditiones statum quoque illorum reuoca Such vvas then the state of Churches that they coulde choose their Ministers no othervvise bicause they had no christian Magistrates If thou vvouldest haue the maners and customes of those times obserued then must thou call backe their condition and
flocke neuerthelesse howsoeuer you proue it true it is that if he be a Pastor he must haue a certen flocke for therein doth a Pastor differ from the reste of the degrées of mâ—nisters in Chrystes church mentioned in that fourth chapter to the Ephesians But you must learne that there be not onely Pastors in the Church but also Apostles Prophets Euangelistes Doctors Ephe. 4. 1. Cor. 12. who all are called Ministers and haue their place in the Churche of Chryst as it shall be proued if you denie it You say also that euery flocke had hys shephearde or else shepheardes And to proue that one flocke had mo shepheards you cite Acts. 14. which maketh nothing for your purpose yet I denie not but one flocke may haue mo Pastors for I sée nothing in the worde of God agaynst it To be short you say now they go fisking from place to place and couetously ioyne liuing to liuing c. And beeing but one shephearde haue many flockes If you meane by fisking from place to place suche as preache in diuers places and not in their owne cures onely your phrase of fisking is too lighte and scurrilous when you alledge any reason why men may not go from place to place to preache where they thinke it necessarie you shal either be aunswered or yeelded to In the meane time I thinke it agreable bothe to Gods worde and conscience Agaynst couetously ioyning of liuing to liuing you alledge the fifte of Esay which is farre from your purpose for the Prophet speaketh there of such as oppresse the poore and will not suffer them to haue a place to dwell in Yet I do not allowe suche as couetously ioyne liuing to liuing of what kinde or degrée of men soeuer they be But I sée no cause why one good and diligent Pastor may not rather be credited with mo flockes than a slouthfull vnskilfull or negligent with one You thinke I suppose that there be diuers parishes in Englande whiche mightâ— be ioyned in one and so committed to one man and why may they not be so in lyke maner when they be distincte For who deuided paryshes and who hath authoritie to ioyne them Dyd not Dionisius a Monke and Pope of Rome For it is thus written of him Tom. 1. conci Dionisius Monachus Papa presbiteris Ecclesâ—as diuisit caemiteria â–ª parochiasque Dioeceses constituit Dionisius a Monke and Pope deuided to Preestes Churches and Churcheyardes and appoynted parishes and dioces I speake not this to encourage any man to take more vppon him than with a good conscience he may well discharge And I woulde wishe you to abstayne from iudging to farre when you sée a man that hath mo liuings vse him selfe vprightly and carefully in them all and otherwise profitably to the whole Churche The tenth Then the ministers were preachers now bare readers And if any be so wel disposed to preach in their owne charges they may not without my Lords licence Your places of Scripture alleaged to proue that Ministers were then Preachers proue not that all were then Preachers The place in the .2 to the Philip. 20. verse is this For I haue no man like minded vvho vvil faythfully care for your matters And in the .25 verse But I suppose it necessarie to sende my brother Epaphroditus to you my companion in labour and fellovve souldiour euen your messanger and he that ministred vnto me suche things as I vvanted Coloss. 1. verse .7 As ye also learned of Epaphras our deare fellovv seruaunt vvhich is for you a faythfull minister of Chryst. Quorsum haec How proue these places that al ministers then preached That of Luke ca. 9. proueth aswel that they cured diseases as that they preached and therefore oute of that place you mighte aswell conclude that all ministers oughte to be curers of sickenesses aswell as preachers This I write onely to let you vnderstande your vanitie and ignorance in quoting so many Scriptures to so small purpose I wishe that euery minister were a preacher but that béeyng vnpossible as the state is nowe I sée not howe you can condemne reading ministers séeyng reading is necessarie in the Churche and faythe commeth aswell by readyng the Scriptures in the booke as by rehearsing of them without booke In the 31. of Deuter. it is thus written Leges verba legis huius coram omni Israel c. Thou shalt reede the vvords of this booke before al Israel c. S. Paule saith in the .15 to the Rom QuaecuÌ„que scripta sunt c. vvhatsoeuer is vvritteÌ„ c. But I neuer heard reading of the scripture reading of prayers reading of Homilies taken out of the scripture condemned but only by the authors of this boke and by the Zuinfildians You here fynde fault that if a preacher be disposed to preache in his cure he may not doe it withoute my Lordes licence Where the worde of God is professed and Christian Magistrates gouerne there it is meete that no man should take vppon him any function excepte he be by the magistrate â–ª to whome it doth apperteyne therevnto admitted And for as muche as there be alwayes in the Churche hypocrites heretikes schismatikes and other euill disposed persons whiche studie for nothyng more than to disquiet the state of the Churche and to occupie the people with their factions it is necessarie that none should be admitted to preache in any place without hée be thervnto licenced by the Bishop who ought to haue a diligent care in that matter I suppose you are not of that mynde that men maye now in this Church vnder christian magistrates preach without licence It hath always ben the opinion of wise learned and godly men that since the apostles time none were ordinarily called to the office of preaching but such as were called of God by man onely Anabaptistes and some other sect of heretikes teache the contrarie The eleuenth In those dayes knowne by voyce learning and doctrine nowe they muste be discerned from other by popish and antichristian apparell as cappe gowne tippet c. To proue that in those dayes ministers were knowne by voyce learning and doctrine you cite the ninth of the first of Samuell and the .26 of Mathew In all that ninth chapter of Samuell there is not one worde that maketh for this purpose except you meane this that when Saule asked of Samuell where the Séers house was Samuel aunswered agayne that he was the Séer Iâ— this be to be knowne by voyce learning and doctrine the ignorantest mynister that is may soone be knowne by his voyce lerning and doctrine for if you aske him where is such a man he can answere you I am he In the .26 of Mathew the first place verse .48 is this Novv he that betrayed hym had giuen them a token saying VVhosoeuer I shall kisse that is he laye holde on him The multitude that came with Iudas knewe Chryste by Iudas kissyng of hym therforâ— in those days ministers were
Epistles whiche he writ to Nicholas the first in the defence of the mariage of Priests sayth that Dionysius Areopagita Saint Paules scholer was by S. Paule made Archbishop of Athens Erasmus in his argument of the epistle to Titus sayth that Paule made Titus Archebishop of Creta but Antichryste was not in Paules tyme Ergo the name of an Archbishop was not inuented by Antichrist I omit Anacletus a godlie bishop Martir who liued Anno domini 85. which in his Epistle â—om 1. conci diuers times maketh meÌ„tion of Archbishops Patriarks Primates Metropolitans and sayth that S. Iames which was called Iustus was the first Archbishop of Ierusalem I omitte also Anicetus who liued An. domini 155 which like wyse in his epistle maketh mention of Archbishops bicause these epistles ar not without iust cause suspected eyther to be none of theirs or else in diuerse poyntes corrupted But that notable and famous Councell of Nice must be and is of all wise and learned men nexte vnto the Scriptures them selues reuerenced estéemed and embraced that Councell celebrated Anno Domini 330. when as the Bishoppes of Rome were as yet learned and godlye men dothe not onely allowe of the name but also of the office of Metropolitane Archebishoppe Archdeacon c. In the sixth Canon of that Councell it is thus written This Councell doth determine him to be no Bishop vvhiche is made vvithout the consent Metropolitant Episcopi of the Metropolitane In the .13 Can. mention is made of a Patriarke and of an Archdeacon diuers tymes and his office there in diuers poyntes declared as it is also in the seuenth Canon of the same Councell In the .25 Canon is named bothe Patriarke and Archbishop and declared what authoritie they had in their prouinces and in admitting of Bishops So is it likewyse in the .26 and .27 Cannons of the same Councell Ambrose also that olde and learned father both alloweth the name and office of an Archbishop Lib. De dig Sacerde cap. 5. Sozomenus likewise Lib. 2. of his Ecclesiasticall historie Cap. 8. calleth Symeon Archbishoppe of Seleucia and Basile the greate Metropolitane of Cappadocia Lib. 3. Cap. 16. Damasus calleth Stephen an Archedeacon Hierome in his Epistle Ad Euagrium hath this name Archdeacon Sextus in his decrées sayth that Laurence the martyr was an Archedeacon Sozomenus lib. 7. cap. 19. maketh mention of an Archdeacon reading the Scriptures Socrates in the seuenth booke of his Ecclesiasticall historie speaketh of one Timothie an Archdeacon Augustine in his first booke De moribus Ecclesiae Catholica maketh mention of Deanes and their offices Hythertoo Antichriste had not inuaded the Churche of Rome But what shoulde I trouble you with anye mo authorities Those that bée learned maye easyly vnderstande that these names Metropolitane Archbishop Archdeacon Primate Patriarke and suche like be most auncient and approued of the Eldest best and worthiest councels fathers and writers And forasmuch as the originall and beginning of these names suche is their antiquitie can not be found so farre as I haue read it is to be supposed that they haue their originall from the Apostles them selues For as I remember Saincte Augustine hathe this rule in his 118. Epistle Ad Ianua Those things that be not expressed in the scripture and yet by tradition obserued of the vvhole Churche come either from the Apostles or from generall Councels as the obseruing of Easter the celebrating of the day of the Ascention and of the coÌ„ming of the holie Ghost and such like very vnlearned therfore and ignorant be those whiche so boldly affirme that these names vsed in the purest tyme of the Churche be Antichristian Whether that the name of Prelate of the garter Erle Countie Palatine Honour high Commissioner Iustice of peace and Quorum béeing necessarie offices in this Common weale partely for the honour of the Prince and Realme but especially for the good gouernement of all states and degrées of persones bée Antichrystian lette those consyder to whome GOD hathe commytted the sworde of gouernemente Suche insolent audacitie against states and lawfull regiment is rather to be corrected with due punishment than confuted by argument Lordes grace lorde Bishop honour c. be names of reuerence teaching vs to acknowledge our dutie towardes oure superiours and their authoritie ouer vs and it is muche more to bée reprehended not to gyue honour to whome honour is due than to receyue honoure when it is due You may and you please in verie auncient histories and in greate learned fathers see as honourable and reuerente titles giuen vnto Bishoppes as these bée And surely it is not Antichristian to be called by names and titles not ambitiously soughte for but orderly and lawfully giuen according to the condition and state of the place wherein a man is But it is Antichristian that is proude presumptuous disdaynful arrogant and contemptuous to refuse to giue to euerye one that name and title that by lawe ciuilitie and duetie of vs is requyred and expresseth oure reuerence duetie and obedience You woulde speake as muche of names of honoure and reuerence in other persons if you durste bée so bolde with them as you thinke you may bée with some Nowe it followeth to proue that the offices signified by these names are not strange and vnheard of in Christes churche neyther yet plainely in Gods word forbidden that they are not to be remoued but as most necessarie to be reteyned It is without all doubte that bothe these names and offices haue bene in Chrystes Churche long before Nicene Councell and that they haue hadde in the same continuaunce euen to thys daye as partely it maye bée gathered by that whyche I haue spoken before and moste manyfestlye by all Hystories and learned wryters from béefore that Councell of Nice to this instant houre and therefore they little considered what they writte when they set it downe that these names and offices were straunge and vnheard of in the Churche of Chryste These men contemning auncient writers neuer read them and that is the cause of such vnlearned assertions Cyprianus Li. 1. Epis. 3. ad CorneliuÌ„ speaking of the office of an Archbishop saith on this fort Neque enim aliunde haereses abortae sunt aut nata sohismata quam inde quod Sacerdoti dei non obtemperatur nec onus in Ecclesia ad tempus Sacerdos ad tempus index vice Christi cogitatur cui si secundum magisteria diuina obtemporaret fraternitas vniuersa nemo aduersus Sacerdotum Collegium quicquam moueret Neither haue heresies or schismes risen of any other occasion thaÌ„ of that that the priest of God is not obeyed neither one priest for the time in the Churche and one iudge for the time in steade of Chryst thought vpon to vvhom if the vvhole brotherhoode vvoulde be obedient according to Gods teaching no man vvoulde moue any thing agaynst the Colledge of Priests Cornelius béeing Byshop of Rome and hauing excommunicated certayne notorious wicked men and afterwarde béeyng
before the Sacraments were ministred now it is supposed to be sufficient if it be read To proue that the worde was preached before the sacrameÌ„ts were ministred you alledge the third of Mathew verse 12. VVhich hath his fanne in his hand and vvil make cleane his flovver and gather his vvheate into his garner but vvill burne vp the chaffe vvith vnquencheable fyre I vnderstand not how you can of this place conclude that there must be of necessitie preaching and not reading before the administration of the Sacraments If you say Iohn preached vnto suche as came vnto his Baptisme and readde not vnto them therefore of necessitie there must be preaching and not reading I denye the argument for it is a common rule that we may not conclude a generall doctrine of a singuler or particuler example and I am sure it is agaynst all rule of Logicke But how if it maye be proued that Iohn did baptyse some without preaching vnto them In that third chapter of Mathew verses .5 and .6 we reade that all Ierusalem and all Iâ—daea and all the region round about Iordan went out to be baptized of him and that they were baptized of him in Iordane confessing their sinnes but we reade not that he did immediatly before preache vnto them and verses .13.14.15 it is manifeste that he did baptize Christe without preaching This is but a slender proofe you vse therby to condemne the sinceritie of our sacraments and administring of them in this Churche There is no man I thinke whiche doth not allowe of preaching before the administration of the Sacraments But it is not therwith ioyned tanquam de necessitate sacramenti as of the necessitie of the sacrament neyther is there any thing here alledged for preaching before the administration of the Lords Supper In déede we reade not that Christ did preache immediatly before the distribution of the Sacrament of his body bloud to his disciples onely he told them that some of them should betray him that he had greatly desired to â—ate that passeouer with them This I write to shewe youre blynde and vnlearned collections not to disallow preaching in the administration of Sacraments But I woulde gladly learne why you doe so greately myslyke of readyng the Scriptures I hope you be not Zwingfildians Is not the worde of God as effectuall when it is read as when it is preached or is not reading preaching Isidorus sayeth that reading bringeth great profite to the hearers Tertulian sayth when wée come togither to the reading of the holy Scriptures wée féede oure faythe wyth those heauenly voyces we rayse vp oure affiaunce wée fasten our hope And againe he calleth the reading of the Scriptures the féeding of our fayth But what néede I speake anye more of a matter so manyfeste You flatly ioyne with the Papist in this For in the confutation of the Apologie of the Churche of Englande mayster Harding calleth reading of the Scriptures to the people in the Churche a spirituall dumbnesse and a thing vnprofitable c. That to reade the scriptures in the church is no newe thing but moste auncient and grounded vppon Gods worde it is manyfest by that whiche is written in the fourth of Luke where the Euangelist sayeth that Christ on the Sabboth day going into the synagoge according to his accustomed manner risse vp to reade and there was deliuered vnto him the booke of the Prophete Esaye and as soone as hée opened the Booke hée founde the place where it was written Spiritus Domini super me c. The Spirite of the Lord vpon me c. Likewyse in the thirtéenth of the Actes wée reade that Paule and other of his companie béeing in the Synagoge on the Sabboth day was sent vnto by the rulers of the Synagoge Post lectronem legis Propherarum after the readyng of the lawe and the Prophets to know if they would make any exhortation to the people Iustinus Martyr Apolog. 2. pro Christianis sayeth that in his tyme the manner was on the Sabboth daye when the people were gathered together to haue the Scriptures read in the publique congregation and in the time of publike Prayer for the space of one whole houre Origene wryting vppon Iosua Homel 15. saythe that the Bookes of the olde Testamente were deliuered by the Apostles to be read in the Churches Cyprian lib. 2. Epists 5. sayth The reader soundeth out the highe and heauenly vvords he readeth out the Gospel of Christ. c. Chrysostome vppon the Actes Hom. 19. The Minister and common Minister standeth vp and cryeth vvyth a loude voyce saying Kepe silence after that the reader beginneth the prophecie of Esay Augustin speaking to the people sayth Yee heard vvhen the Gospell vvas read yee heard erevvhile vvheÌ„ it vvas read if ye gaue eare to the reading dearely beloued vvee haue hearde in the lesson that hath ben read But of reading bothe scriptures and prayers I haue spoken before and mynde to speake something hereafter For my part I muse what you meane in this poynt so to iumpe with the Papists The seconde generall reason is this Then Sacramentes were ministred in publique assemblies nowe in priuate houses The places of Scripture wherby you proue that Sacraments were then ministred in publique assemblies be taken out of the first of S. Marke and .1 Cor. 11. which places of Scripture proue that Iohn did baptize openly that the Lords Supper was ministred in the publique congregation but neyther of them bothe conclude that these Sacraments may not also be ministred vppon any occasion in priuate houses For what sequele is there in this reason all the countrey of Iudaea and they of Ierusalem wente out vnto him and were baptised of him in the riuer of Iordan confessing their sinnes Ergo Baptisme may not be ministred vpon any occasion in priuate houses you may as well conclude that none ought to be baptized but in the riuer of Iordan and none but suche as be able to confesse their sinnes and so you shoulde seclude children from Baptisme as the Anabaptistes doe Baptisme was ministred in Cornelius house Actes 10. The place is not of the substaunce of the Sacraments To the .1 Corin. 11. it is answered before Surely this Churche of England doth not permit the sacraments to be ministred in priuate places except there be a coÌ„gregation and then not vsually but only in certaine cases The thirde generall reason is this Then by ministers onely now by midwiues and deacons equally That then the Sacraments were ministred onely by ministers you alledge the 28. of Mathew whiche place is answered before Likewise .1 Cor. 4. Let a man so thinke of vs as of the ministers of Chryst and disposers of the mysteries of God. Here is not one worde for your purpose Except you take mysteries for sacrameÌ„ts which if you do you are much deceyued for by the word mysteries here he vnderstandeth the worde of God and Gospell of Chryste as all learned writers do
ninth They had no Gloria in excelsis in the ministerie of the sacrament then for it was put to afterwarde We haue nowe It is the common consente of ecclesiasticall histories that the Apostles did celebrate the Lords supper with the Lords prayer and yet we do not read that Christ did so you also teach that the supper oughte not to be ministred without a Sermon and in the ministration thereof you vse diuers prayers and other orders which Christe vsed not Can you spye a mote if it be a mote as it is not in another mans eye and can you not perceiue a beame to be in your owne There is nothing conteined in Gloria in excelsis but the same is taken out of the scriptures and to be vsed of all true Christians Telesphorus whome you note in the margent to haue added to the supper of the Lorde Gloria in excelsis in the yeare of the Lord 130. was a good Byshop and the Church of Rome as yet pure in doctrine and vnspotted with heresie The tenth They toke it with conscience we with custome This is but your presumptuous and arrogant iudgement who dare take vppon you to giue this generall sentence so generally vpon this whole Church of England for you make no exceptiō but set vs ad oppositum to them If you say some take it without conscience I thinke you say truly and so did some of them as Iudas But if you say all or the most parte you goe beyonde your commission and make your selues iudges of other mens consciences contrarie to the rule of Christ Math. 7. Luke 6. and of Paule Rom. 2. ◠14 1. Cor. 4. and of Iames the .4 The eleuenth They shut mē by reason of their sinnes from the Lords supper We thrust thē in their sinne to the Lords supper The place that you alledge out of the fifte Chapter of the firste to the Corinthians which is this But nowe I haue written vnto you that you companie not togither if any that is called a brother be a fornicator c. doth not particulerly touch the secluding of men by reason of their sinnes from the communion but generally prohibiteth true Christians to haue any familiaritie or frendship with any such notorious offender If you were not with malice blinded you mighte easily vnderstande that by the order and rules of this Church of Englād all notorious and knowne offenders euen such as S. Paule here speaketh of are secluded from the Lordes supper But peraduenture your meaning is that no man should be compelled to the Communion at any time wherin you greatly gratifie the Papists and shewe your selfe a good patrone of theirs when you shew any reason why men may not be compelled to come to the Communion then you shal be aunswered In the meane time you are worthy of your fée The twelfth They ministred the sacramentes plainly we pompeously with singing piping surplesse and copewearing This is a very slender reason to proue that the sacrament of the Supper is not sincerely ministred bycause there is singing piping surplesse and cope whē you shew your reasons against that pompe which is nowe vsed in the celebration of that sacrament you shall heare what I haue to saye in the defence of the same I thinke that there is nothing vsed in the administration therof that doth in any respecte contaminate it or make it impure As for piping it is not prescribed to be vsed at the Communion by any rule that I knowe Singing I am sure you do not dissalowe being vsed in al reformed churches and an arte allowed in scriptures vsed in praysing of God by Dauid Of surplesse cope I haue spoken before and will speake more hereafter as occasion is ministred The thirtenth They simply as they receiued it from the lord We sinfully mixed with mans inuentions and deuises There is no suche inuentions or deuises of manne mixed with the Supper of the Lorde as can make it sinfull being all perteyning to edifieng and to good and decent order and nothing there appointed to be done contrary or not agreable to the Scriptures Caluine him selfe saith in his Institutions Li. 4. ca. 10. That those things which be partes of decencie commended vnto vs by the Apostle though they be prescribed by man yet are they gods traditions and not mans as kneeling at solemne prayer and such like The supper it selfe in all points of any momente is ministred nowe in this Churche of Englande euen as Christ deliuered it as the Apostles vsed it and as the Primatiue Churche continued the same These be all the reasons you vse to proue that the sacramente of the Supper is not rightely and sincerely ministred whereof some bée impious some ridiculous and all of them vnworthy any confutation Admonition And as for baptisme it was ynough with them if they had water and the partie to be baptised by faith and the minister to preache the word and minister the sacraments Now we must haue Surplesses deuised by Pope Adrian Interrogatories ministred to the infant Godfathers and Godmothers brought in by Higinus holy fonts inuented by Pope Pius crossing and such like peeces of Poperie which the Churche of God in the Apostles time neuer knew and therfore not to be vsed nay whiche we are sure of were and are mans diuises brought in long after the puritie of the primatiue church Answere The impurities you finde in the administration of baptisme be these surplesse Interrogatories ministred to the infāt godfathers godmothers holy fonts crossing Touching the surplesse and such like apparel I haue spokē before sufficiently the first inuētor of it which you say to be Pope Adrian doth make it neither better nor worse yet it was vsed long before Adrians time neither can you proue him to be the first inuenter therof It is certen that such kind of vesture hath bene vsed in the ministration of the sacramēts long before any corruption of doctrine tooke place in the Churche as it appeareth both by Hierome in his first booke aduersus Pelags where he maketh manifest mention of a white garment vsed in the administration of sacrifice by the Byshop priest deacon And also Chrysostome Hom. 6. to the people of Antioche who speaketh of the like garment worne in the Churche Those that answered the examiner do but childishly cauill at these two places which in déede be plaine of them selues and euident and so is that of Hieromes also vpon the .44 of Ezechiell The religion of God hath one habite in the ministration and another in cōmon vse and life Reade the place considerately it shal easily appeare that Hierome meaneth aswell of Christian ministers as of Iewish priests But of the vse of this and other apparell prescribed in this Churche to be worne by ministers I haue spoken partely before and am ready to speake more as occasion shall be offered In the meane tyme the Surplesse is not of the substaunce of baptisme neither
required as necessarie to the administration thereof but as comely and decent Interrogatories to be ministred to the infant be not strange neither lately inuented but of great antiquitie For Dionysius Areopagita in his booke entituled de coelest hierar and seuenth chapter speaking of the baptising of infants and of their sureties or godfathers answering to certen prophane deriders as he termeth them which said that one was baptised for an other bicause the godfather did promise answere for the childe speaketh thus in the name of the godfather Neque enim hoc ille ait Ego pro puero abrenunciationes facio aut fidei Sacramenta profiteor sed ita puer renuntiat profitetur id est spondeo puerum inducturū cum ad sacram intelligentiā venerit sedulis adhortationibus meis vt abrenūtiet contrarijs omnino profiteaturque peragat diuina quae pollicetur Neither doth he say this I renounce for the chylde or professe the sacraments of fayth but in this sorte the childe doth renounce or professe that is to say I promise so to enstructe the childe when he commeth to the yeres of discretion with dayly exhortations that he shall renounce all contrarie things and professe and performe those heauenly things which he doth promise Augustine also in his Epistle written ad Bonifaciū answering this question why séeing we dare promise nothing of the infants behauior maners when he commeth to mans state yet when he is brought to baptisme and the question is asked of those that offer him to be baptised whether the infant beléeue or no they answere that he doth beléeue sayth on this sorte Nisi sacramenta quandam haberent similitudinem c. Except Sacraments had a certen similitude likenesse of those things wherof they be sacraments they were no sacraments at all and by reason of this same similitude oftētimes they are called by the names of the things themselues therfore as after a certē maner of speking the sacramēt of the body of christ is the body of christ the sacrament of the bloud of christ is the bloud of christ so the sacrament of the faith is faith neither is it any thing else to beleeue than to haue faith and therfore when answere is made that the infant doth beleeue not hauing as yet faith in deed it is answered that he doth beleeue for the sacrament of fayth and that he doth conuert himself vnto God for the sacramēt of conuersion bicause the answere it selfe doth perteine to the celebration of the sacrament And a little after he sayth Itaque paruulū si nondum fides illa quae in credentiū voluntate consistit iam tamen ipsius fidei sacramentū fidelem facit Nam sicut credere respondetur ita etiam fidelis vocatur non rē ipsa mente annuendo sed ipsius rei sacramentū percipiēdo Therfore although that fayth which consisteth in the wil of the beleeuers doth not make the childe faythfull yet doth the sacrament of that fayth make him faythfull for euen as it is answered that he doth beleeue so is he also called faythfull not by signifying the thing it selfe in his mynde but by receyuing the sacrament of the thing By these two authorities it is manifest that Interrogatories were ministred to infants at the time of their baptisme that they had sureties which we call godfathers that answered for them and in their name It is also manyfest by these authorities that godfathers or sureties were required at the baptising of Infants which Tertullian also signifieth in his booke de baptismo But you your selfe confesse godfathers to be of great antiquitie in the church of Chryst for you say that Higinus brought them in and Higinus was the nynth Byshop of Rome and liued Anno. 141. You may aswell finde faulte with Pulpit and church as with the fontes and the reason is all one In the tyme of the Apostles they dyd not baptyse in basons as you do now but in riuers and other common waters neither was there in the Apostles time any Churches for Christians or pulpits to preache in and therfore you had best to plucke downe Churches and pulpits and to baptise in common riuers and waters Touching crossing in baptisme I wil onely recite vnto you the opinion of master Bucer which is this Signum hoc non tam quod est vsus in Ecclesus antiquissimi quam quod est admodum simplex praesentis admonitionis crucis Christi adhiberi nec indecens nec inutile existimo si adhibeatur modo purè intellectum religiose excipiatur nulla nec superstitione adiuncta nec elementi seruitute nec leuitate aut vulgari consuetudine I thinke it neither vncomely nor vnprofitable to vse the signe of the crosse not onely bicause the vse thereof is very auncient but also bicause it hath an expresse signification of the passion of Chryst so that it be purely vnderstoode and religiously receyued vvithout any superstition or seruitude of the element or leuitie or common custome Admonition To redresse these your wisdomes haue to remoue as before ignoraunt ministers to take away priuate communions and baptismes to enioyne deacons and midwiues not to meddle in ministers matters if they do to see them sharpely punished To ioyne assistaunce of elders and other officers that seeing men wyll not examine them selues they may be examined and brought to render a reason of their hope That the statute agaynst wafer cakes may more preuayle than an Iniunction That people be appoynted to receyue the sacrament rather sitting for auoyding of superstition than kneeling hauing in it the outwarde shew of euill from which we must abstayne That excommunication be restored to his old former force That papists nor other neyther constrainedly nor customably communicate in the mysteries of saluation That bothe the sacrament of the Lords Supper and Baptisme also may be ministred according to the aunciente puritie and simplicitie That the parties to bee baptized if they bee of the yeares of discretion by themselues and in their own persons or if they be infantes by their parents in whose roome if vpon necessarie occasion they be absent some one of the congregation knowing the good behauiour and sounde fayth of the parents may both make rehersall of their faythe and also if theyr faythe be sounde and agreeable to holye Scriptures desyre to be in the same baptysed And fynally that nothyng be done in this or any other thyng but that whiche you haue the expresse warrant of Gods worde for Answere In déede it is to be wished that ignoraunt ministers were remoued if there were a sufficient number of such as be learned to place in theyr roomes As for priuate Communions I know none allowed in this Churche Priuate baptismes are allowable by Gods worde and there is neyther precepte nor example to the contrarie in Scripture If Deacons or Midwyues meddle further than they ought to doe good reason it is they shoulde bée
worde béeing as you saye distincte offices will you thus dallie with the Scripture and make it a nose of waxe as the Papistes terme it to wrest and writhe it whiche waye you liste Here you muste néedes confesse eyther contradiction in your selues or falsification In the .1 Cor. 12. Sainct Paule sayeth that God hath ordeyned in the Churche firste Apostles then Prophetes thirdly teachers then them that doe miracles after that the giftes of teaching helpers gouernours diuersities of toungs here is not one worde of the office of Seniors neyther yet of their names For this worde gouernours teacheth vs that Christe hath ordeyned in his Churche some to beare rule and to gouerne but whether one in euery congregation or mo whether ministers of the worde or other whether magistrates or Seniors it is not here expressed howsoeuer it is it maketh nothing for your purpose I knowe that in the primatiue Churche they had in euery Churche certaine Seniors to whom the gouernement of the Congregation was committed but that was before there was any christian Prince or magistrate that openly professed the Gospell and before there was anye any Churche by publique authoritie established or vnder ciuile gouernement both the names and offices of Seniors was extinguished before Ambrose tyme as hée himselfe dothe testifie writing vpon the fift of the first to Timo. I tolde you before that the diuersitie of tyme and state of the Churche requireth diuersitie of gouernement in the same It can not be gouerned in tyme of prosperitie as it is in tyme of persecution It maye not be gouerned vnder a christian Prince which doth nourish and maynteyne it as it maye bée vnder a tyrant when it is constrayned to flée and séeke corners It can not bée gouerned in a whole Realme as it may be in one little Citie or towne it can not be gouerned when it is dispersed thorough many places as it maye be when it is collected into some one narrow and certaine place To bée shorte it can not be gouerned when it is full of hypocrites Papists Atheists and other wicked persons as when it hath very fewe or none suche As commonly it hathe not in tyme of persecution when the golde is as it were by fyre tryed from the drosse He that according to thys diuersitie of the forme state and tyme of the Churche doothe not allowe a diuersite of gouernemente dothe confounde and not edifye I praye you what Seniors coulde you haue in moste parishes in Englande fitte for that office But wyse not wilfull men haue to consider this God hath giuen the chiefe gouernement of his Churche to the Christian Magistrate who hath to consider what is moste conuenient and wée must therwith be content so that nothing be doone agaynst faythe and the commaundement of God. Admonition In steade of these Seniors in euery Church the Pope hath brought in and yet we maintein the lordship of one man ouer sundry Churches yea ouer many shires Answere You alledge in the margent in these words in the .12 to the Ro. he that exhorteth let him wayte on exhortation he that distributeth let him doe it with simplicitie hee that ruleth with diligence hee that sheweth mercye with cheerefulnesse To proue that in steade of these Seniors in euery Churche the Pope hath broughte in and wée yet maynteyne the Lordship of one man ouer many Churches c I knowe not howe this geare hangeth together or to what purpose you shoulde alledge that place It neyther proueth that in euery Churche there was Elders neyther that in place of them the pope hathe broughte in the Lordship of one man ouer many Churches I haue proued before in my aunswere to youre thirtéenth and fourtéenth reason that this Lordshippe of one man as you terme it but in deede lawfull iurisdiction ouer sundrye Churches was not the inuention of anye Pope but of great antiquitie in the Churche of Christe allowed by that famous Councell of Nice and practised since of moste godly and learned fathers In the nynth Cannon Concil Anno. it is thus written Per singulas regiones Episcopos conuenit nosse Metropolitanum Episcopum solicitudinem totius Prouinciae gerere propter quod ad Metropolim omnes vndique qui negotia videntur habere concurrant vnde placuit eum honore praecellere nihil amplius praeter eum caeteros Episcopos agere secundum antiquam à patribus nostris regulam constitutam nisi ea tantum quae ad suam Dioecesim pertinent c. It behoueth the Bishoppes in euery countrey to knowe theyr Metropolitane Bishop to haue care ouer the vvhole Prouince and therefore all suche as haue any businesse must come to their Metropolitane Citie vvherfore it pleaseth this Councell that hee also excell in honoure and that the other Bishoppes doe nothing vvithout him according to the aunciente rule prescribed by our forefathers but those thinges onely vvhiche perteyne to his owne Dioces c. Thys Councell was aboute the yeare of our Lorde 345. Admonition These Seniors then bicause their charge was not ouer muche did execute their office in their owne persons without substitutes Our Lorde Byshops haue their vnder officers as suffraganes Chauncelors Archdeacons Officials Commissaries and such like Answere You barely affirme without any proofe that these Seniors then did execute their offices in their owne persons without substitutes But your bare worde is not of sufficient credite although I thinke you wyll make a great difference betwixt Seniors and Byshops For they whome you call Seniors had no authoritie to preach or to minister the sacraments as Byshops haue That Byshops might haue substitutes and had so it is manyfest in the .13 Cannon Ancâ—rani concilij whiche was about the yere of our Lorde thrée hundred and eight and before Nicene councell where we reade on this sorte Vicarijs Episcoporum quos graeci coepiscopos vocant non licet vel presbyteros vel diacâ—nos ordinare sed nec presbyteris Ciuitatis sine Episcopi praecepto amplius aliquid ordinare nec sine authoritate literarum eiâ—â— in vnaquaque parochia aliquid agere It is not lawfull for Byshops substitutes whom the Gretians do call felow Byshops or coadiutors to order either priests or deacons neither is it lawfull to the priests of the Citie without the Byshops authoritie to commaunde any thing else or without the authoritie of his letters to do any thing in any parishe It is manyfest hereby that Byshops then had Deputies whether you will call them Chauncellors Commissaries c. the matter is not great To contend for the name when the thing is certayne is a note of a contentious person Admonition Touching Deacons though their names be remaining yet is the office fouly peruerted and turned vpside downe for their duetie in the primatiue Church was to gather the almes diligently and to distribute it faythfully also for the sicke impotent persons to prouide painfully hauing euer a diligent care that the charitie of godly men were
men and the example of all Churches euen from Christes time as more plainly apereth by these words of Master Bucer in his book de regno Christi Iam ex perpetua ecclesiaruÌ„ obseruatione ab ipsis iam Apostolis videmus visum hoc esse spiritui sancto vt inter presbiteros quibus ecclesiaruÌ„ procuratio potissimum est commissa vnâ—â— ecclesiarum totius sacri ministerij curam gerat singularem eaque cura solicitudine cunctis praeeat alijs Qua de causa Episcopi nomen huiusmodi summis ecclesiarum câ—ratoribus est peculiariter attributum c. Nowe we see by the perpetuall obseruation of the Churches euen from the Apostles them selues that it hath pleased the holy ghost that amongst the ministers to whome the gouernement of the Churche especially is committed one should haue the chiefe care both of the Churches and of the whole ministerie and that he should go before all other in that care and diligence for the which cause the name of a Bishop is peculiarly giuen to suche chiefe gouernours of Churches c. Furthermore I haue declared that it engendreth schismes factioÌ„s and contentions in the Churche and bringeth in a méere confusion and is a braunch of Anabaptisme And now I adde that you desire this equalitie not bycause you would not rule for it is manifest that you séeke it most ambitiously in your manner but bycause you contemne and disdayne to be ruled and to be in subiection In déede your meaning is as I saide before to rule and not to be ruled to do what you liste in your seuerall cures wythoute controlemente of Prince Byshoppe or any other And therefore pretending equalitie most disorderly you séeke dominion I speake that I know by experience in some of you Your places quoted in the margent to proue that there ought to be an equalitie of ministers sounde nothing that way 2. Cor. 10. vers 7. These be the words of the Aposâ—le Looke ye on things after the appearaunce If any trust in him selfe that he is Christes let him consider this agayne of him selfe that as he is Christes euen so are we Christes How conclude you of these words your equalitie I promise you it passeth my cunning to wring out of them any such sense rather the contrarie may be gathered out of the words following which be these For though I shoulde boast somewhat more of our authoritie which the Lorde c. I should haue no shame Master Caluin expounding these words saith on this sorte It vvas for modestie that he ioyned himselfe to their number vvhome he did farre excell and yet he vvold not be so modest but that he would kepe his authoritie safe therefore he addeth that he spake lesse than of right he might haue done For he vvas not of the commoÌ„ sorte of ministers but one of the chefe among the Apostles And therefore he saith if I bost more I neede not be ashamed for I haue good cause And a litle after Quamuis enim commune sit omnibus verbi ministris idemque officium sunt tamen honoris gradus Although the selfe same office be common to all the ministers of the vvorde yet there is degrees of honor Thus you sée Caluine farre otherwise to gather of this place than you do The place in the first to the Coloss. vers 1. is this Paule an Apostle of Iesus Christ by the vvill of God and Timotheus our brother Surely your mynd was not of equalitie I thinke when you quoted these places to proue it But it is your vsuall manner without all discretion and iudgement to dally and play with the scriptures For what sequele is there in this reason Paule calleth Timothie brother Ergo in all respects there must be equalitie as though there were not distinction of degrées euen among brethren Admonition In stead of Chauncelors Archdeacons Officialles Commissaries Proctors Doctors Summoners Churchwardens and such like you haue to place in euery congregation a lawfull and godly Seigniorie Answere That is in stead of learned wise and discréete men you must place to gouerne the Churche in euerie congregation vnlearned ignoraunte and men most vnapte to gouerne for suche of necessitie you must haue in most coÌ„gregations But I pray you do thus much for me firste proue that there was in euery congregation such as you call seniors When you haue done that then shewe me that that office and kinde of regiment ought to be perpetuall and not rather to be altered according to the state and condition of the Church Last of all that these seniors were lay men as we call them and not rather ministers of the worde and Bishops When you haue satisfied my request in these thrée points then will I procéede further in this matter In the meane time I do not defende any Chaunceller Archdeacon c. which abuse their office I wish such reformed with all my harte But wherein haue Churchewardens offended you I perceiue nothing that is nowe in the Church can please you Admonition The deaconship must not be confouÌ„ded with the ministerie nor the Collectours for the pore may not vsurpe the Deacons office but he that hath an office must loke to his office and euery man must kepe him selfe within the bonds and limits of his owne vocation Answere Neyther do we confounde them and yet Paule in the place by you quoted in the margente speaketh not one worde of confounding or not confounding these offices So the poore be prouided for it forceth not whether prouision be made by Deacons or by collectours by the one it may be well done by the other it cannot be done in all places as the state is nowe But shewe any scripture to proue that the poore must only be prouided for by Deacons else not Admonition And to these three ioyntly that is the ministers seniors and Deacons is the whole regiment of the Church to be committed Answere This is only by you set downe without proofe therefore I will heare your reasons before I make you aunswere In the meane time I pray you what authoritie in these matters do you giue to the ciuill magistrate me thinke I heare you whisper that the Prince hath no authoritie in ecclesiasticall matters I know it is a receiued opinion among some of you and therin you shake hands also with the Papists and Anabaptists Admonition This regiment consisteth especially in ecclesiasticall discipline whiche is an order lefte by God vnto his Church whereby men learne to frame their willes and doings according to the lawe of God by instructing and admonishing one another yea and by correcting and puinshing all wilfull persons and contemners of the same Of thys discipline there is two kinds one priuate wherwith we wil not deale bycause it is impertinent to our purpose â–ª another publike which although it hath ben long banished yet if it might now at the length bee restored wold be very necessary and profitable for the building vp of Gods
and Martirs at their end for eyther all or the most parte of them haue sealed this boke with their bloud But by the way this is to be noted that you confesse your selues to haue allowed that by vsing of it which you say is against the worde of God. The vnperfectnesse of this booke 〈◊〉 suche things in the same as be culled and picked out of that popish dunghill the masse booke wyth the contents therin that be against the worde of God shal apeare I am sure in your seuerall reasons for it is not sufficiente for you barely to say so withoute wit learning or reason This you know right well that in so saying you make the Papists leape for ioy bycause they haue gotten suche companions to assault this booke whilest they rest them and lye as it were in slepe O that the wise men of thys Realme suche I meane as be in authoritie sée not thys Popish practise and séeke not with more earnestnesse to preuent it Will ye suffer the Papists to gather strength and to multiplie by tollerating suche libellers vnder the pretence of reformation to discredit so muche as lyeth in them yea to ouerthrowe the whole state and substance of religion in this Church be not secure but watche and remēber the beginning and encrease of the Anabaptists of late in Germany which I haue described in my preface to this booke You saye that you can not but muche maruell at the craftye wylynesse of those menne whose partes it had bene firste to haue proued eache and euery contente therein to bee agreeable to Gods woorde c. Nay surely but it were youre partes rather to proue that there is some thing therein contrary or not agréeable to Gods worde For suche as bée learned and knowe the manner of reasoning saye that the Opponente muste proue or improue and not the Aunswerer They stande to the defence and mayntenaunce of the Booke you séeke to ouerthrowe it it is youre partes therefore to iustifie youre assertions by reasons and argumentes Nowe to your reasons Admonition The first is this They shoulde firste proue by the worde of God that a readyng Seruice going before and with the administration of the Sacraments is according to the worde of God that priuate communiō priuate baptisme baptisme ministred by women holydaies ascribed to saints prescript seruices for them kneeling at Communion wafer cakes for their bread whē they minister it surplesse and cope to do it in churching of women comming in vayles abusing the Psalme to hir I haue lifted vp mine eyes vnto the hilles c. and suche other foolish thinges are agreable to the written worde of the almightie Answere I do not well vnderstand your meaning woulde you haue vs to proue that to reade prayers before and with the administration of the sacraments is according to the word of god In déede in the booke of seruice there is first appointed to be read some one or two profitable sentences mouing either to prayer or to repentance after followeth a generall confession then the Lords prayer and certaine Psalmes nexte certaine Chapiters out of the olde and newe testamente c. Last of all the administration of the Sacramente If you aske me of the sentences they be Scripture If of the Lords prayer Psalmes and chapiters they be scripture also If of the Sacrament of the supper it is according to Scripture Math. 26. Mar. 14. Luc. 22. 1. Cor. 11. If of the other prayers annexed they be likewise according to the scripture for they be made to God in Christes name for suche things as we néede or as we desire according to that saying of christ Quicquid petieritis c. VVhatsoeuer you aske my father in my name c. And again Petite dabitur vobu Aske and it shal be giuen vnto you Math. 7. and. Iacob 1. If any of you lacke wisdome let him aske it c. 1. Ti. 2. with other infinite places besides If you would haue vs to proue that to reade prayers or scripture in the Churche is according to the worde of God whiche you séeme to denie then we say vnto you that if there were any pietie in you any religiō any learning you would make no such vaine and godlesse doubts Was there euer any from the beginning of the worlde to thys daye the Zwinfildians onely excepted that mysliked reading of prayers and Scriptures in the Church but you But touching reading in the Churche I haue spoken before in the former treatise and minde to speake something of it hereafter as occcasion shal be ministred If you meane by priuate communion the communion ministred to one alone there is no suche allowed in the booke of common prayers but if you call it priuate bycause it is ministred sometime in priuate houses to sicke persons Then haue we the example of Christ who ministred the supper in a priuate house and inner parlor Marc. 14. Luc. 22. Math. 26. We haue also the example of the Apostles them selues who did minister the Supper in priuate houses especially if that place bée vnderstanded of the supper whiche is in the seconde of the Actes and before alleadged of you to proue that common and vsuall bread oughte to be in the supper Likewise of the primatiue Churche as appeareth in the seconde Apologie of Iustinus Martyr Tertul. de corona militis and others If you meane by priuate baptisme baptisme ministred in priuate houses and families you haue therof example in the Scriptures Acts. 10. other priuate baptisme allowed in the church of Englande I know none Master Bucer in his censure vppon the Communion booke speaking of the order appoynted in the same for priuate baptisme writeth thus In this constitution all things are godly appoynted I would to God they were so obserued and especially this that the baptisme of Infants be not deferred for therby is a doore opened vnto the diuell to bring in a contempt of baptisme and so of oure whole redemption and Communion of Chryste which through the sect of Anabaptists hath too muche preuayled with many For women to baptise we haue no rule that I knowe in the whole Communion booke but in scripture we haue an example of Moses wife that did circumcise and circumcision is correspondent to baptisme But I know no generall doctrine can be grounded of a singuler example and therfore most of your arguments be very féeble Holy dayes ascribed to Sainctes wherein not the Saincts but God is honored and the people edified by reading and hearing suche stories and places of scripture as pertayne to the martyrdome calling and function of suche Saincts or any other thing mentioned of them in scripture muste néedes be according to Gods worde For to honor God to worship him to be edifyed by the stories and examples of Saincts out of the scripture can not be but consonant to the scripture The proscript seruice for them is all taken out of Gods word and not one péece thereof but it
is moste consonant vnto the same If there be any that is repugnant set it downe that we may vnderstande it I tolde you before that touching the dayes and tymes and other ceremonies the Churche hath authoritie to determine what is moste conuenient as it hath done from time to time S. Augustine in his Epistle ad Ianua in the place before of me recited saith that the passion of Christ his resurrection his ascention and the day of the comming of the holy ghost which we commonly call Whitsontide is celebrated not by any commaundement vvritten but by the determination of the Churche And it is the iudgement of all learned writers that the Church hath authoritie in these things so that nothing be done against the worde of god But of this I haue spoken partly before intende to speake more largely therof in the place folowing where you agayne make mention of it Of kneeling at the Cōmunion I haue also spoken before and declared my iudgement therof There is more scripture for it than there is either for standing sitting or walking but in all these things as I haue declared the Church hath authoritie to iudge what is fittest Of wafer cakes ministring in surplesse or cope and churching of women I haue spoken before wafer cakes be bread surplesse and cope by those that haue authoritie in the Churche are thought to perteine to comelynesse and decencie Churching of women is to giue thanks for their deliueraunce Breade to be vsed in the Communion comelynesse and decencie giuing of thanks for deliueraunce out of perill and daunger be agréeable to Gods worde therefore all these things be agréeable to Gods worde The forme of bread whether it ought to be cake breade or loafe breade euery particuler thing that perteyneth to decencie or comelinesse at what time in what place with what wordes we oughte to giue thanks is not particulerly written in scripture no more than it is that you were baptised And therefore as I haue proued before in suche cases the Church hath to determine and appoynt an order That women shoulde come in vayles is not conteyned in the booke no more in déede is the wafer cake and therefore you might well haue lefte these two out of your reason béeing thrust in without all reason The .121 Psalme for I thinke your printer was ouerséene in that quotation I haue lifted vp myne eyes c. teacheth that all helpe commeth from God and that the faythfull ought onely to looke for helpe at his handes and therfore a most méete Psalme to be sayd at suche time as we béeing deliuered from any perill come to giue thanks to God. What meane you to adde and suche other foolishe things what foolishnesse I beséeche you can you finde in this so godly a Psalme O where are your wits nay where is your reuerence you ought to giue to the holy scriptures Admonition But their craft is playn wherin they deceiue them selues standing so much vpon this word repugnāt as though nothing were repugnant or agaynst the worde of God but that which is expressely forbidden by playne commaundement they know well inough and would confesse if either they were not blinded or else their hearts hardned that in the circumstances each content wherwith we iustly finde faulte and they to contētiously for the loue of their liuings maynteine smelling of their olde popish priesthoode is agaynst the worde of God. Answere If they were disposed to be craftie I thinke they might soone deceiue you for any great circumspection or discretion that appeareth to be in you by this booke You finde great fault that we stand so much vpon this worde repugnant as though nothing were repugnant or against the worde of God but that which is expressely forbidden by playne commaundement and herein you say we deceyue our selues But you do not tell vs how we are deceyued neyther do you let vs vnderstande what you thinke this worde repugnant doth signifie This is but slender dealing to finde a faulte and not to correcte it you should yet haue tolde vs your opinion of the signification of this worde séeing so great a matter doth depende vpon it True it is that this worde repugnant or agaynst the worde of God is to be contrary to that which in the worde is commaunded or forbidden not onely in manifest words but also in sense and vnderstanding except you vnderstande this worde repugnant on this sorte you will bring in many poynts of daungerous doctrine For we read in the Acts. 2. and .4 that the Apostles had al things common and yet Christians haue not all things common Those that were then conuerted to the Gospell solde all they had and layde it at the Apostles féete Act. 4. now it is farre otherwise Then Chryste ministred his supper at night after supper we in the morning before dinner he in a priuate house we in the publike Church he to men onely we to women also with a great many of such apparant cōtrarieties which be none in déed bicause they be not agaynst any thing commaunded or forbidden to be done or not to be done either in expresse words or in true sense And therfore you are gretly deceiued when you think that we are persuaded that those things which you finde fault with be agaynst the worde of God. As for this your saying If either they were not blynded or else their hartes hardened I praye God it be not moste aptly spoken of youre selues but I will not take vpon me to iudge those secretes that be only knowne to God and your selues Admonition For besides that this prescripte forme of seruice as they call it is full of corruptions it maynteyneth an vnlauful ministerie vnable to execute that office By the worde of God it is an office of preaching they make it an office of reading Christ saide goe preache they in mockerie giue them the Bible and authoritie to preach and yet suffer them not except that they haue newe licences So that they make the chiefest part preaching but an accessarie that is as a thing with out which their office may and doth cōsist In the scriptures ther is attributed vnto the ministers of God the knowledge of heuenly mysteries and therfore as the greatest token of their loue they are enioyned to feede Gods lambs and yet with these such are admitted and accepted as onelye are bare readers that is able to say seruice and minister a sacrament And that this is not the feeding that Christ spake of the Scriptures are playne Reading is not feeding but it is as euill as playing vpon a stage and woorse too for players yet learne theyr partes without booke and these a maynie of them can scarcely reade within booke These are emptie feeders darke eyes ill workemen to hasten in the Lordes harueste messangers that can not call Prophetes that can not declare the wil of the Lord vnsauerie salt blind guydes sleepie watchemen
but tendeth rather to the constitution of the Saboth than to the prohibiting of rest in any other day appointed to the seruice of God And it is as muche as if he shoulde say sixe dayes thou maist worke and so do some translate the Hebrew worde The place alledged out of the first of Esay is far from the purpose there is not one worde there spoken of any holy dayes dedicated to Saintes but only the Lorde signifieth that their sacrifices and feaste dayes were not acceptable to him bycause they were done in hipocrisie and without faithe so that he reproueth modum not factuÌ„ their manner of sacrifising that is their hipocriticall kinde of worshipping him In the 2. Esdras 1. in the place by you quoted I sée not one word that may serue for your purpose the words you quote be these I haue led you thorovve the Sea and haue giuen you a sure vvay since the beginning I gaue you Moses for a guide and Aaron for a preest In the 14. to the Rom. the Apostle speaketh nothing of our holydaies but of such as were obserued among the Iewes and abrogated by the comming of christ And yet in that place the Apostle exhorteth that we which be strong shoulde not dispise them that are weake nor condemne them though they vse not the christian libertie in dayes and meates That in the fourth to the Galath Ye obserue dayes monthâ—s and times and yeares c. Saincte Augustine ad Ianuarium epistola 119 â–ª expoundeth on this sort Eos inculpat qui dicunt non proficiscar quia posterus dies est aut quia luna sic firtur vel proficiscar vt prospera cedant quia itaâ—se habet positio syderum non agam hoc mense commertium quia illa stella mihi agit mensem vel agam quia suscepit mensem I knowe there be other that do otherwise expounde that place and that truly euen as they do also that in the 14. to the Rom. of certaine Iewish feasts as Sabboths new moones the feasts of Tabernacles the yeare of Iubilie and such like abrogated by the Gospell and yet superstitiously obserued of some But these places can by no meanes be vnderstood of the dayes obserued by vs and called by the names of Saincts dayes for they were ordeyned since the writing of this epistle And that you maye vnderstande the difference betwixte the festiuall dayes obserued of the Papists and the dayes allowed nowe in this Churche it is to be considered First that their Saincts dayes were appointed for the honoring and worshipping of the Sainctes by whose names they were called ours be ordeyned for the honoring of God for publique prayer and edifieng the people by reading the scriptures and preaching neyther are they called by the name of any Saincte in any other respecte than that the scriptures which that day are read in the Church be concerning that Saincte and contayne either his calling preaching persecution martirdome or such like 2. The Papistes in their Sainctes dayes prayed vnto the Sainctes we onely praye vnto God in Christes name 3. They hadde all thinges done in a straunge toung wythoute any edifieng at all Wée haue the prayers and the Scriptures readde in a tongue knowne whyche cannot bée withoute great commoditie to the hearers 4. To be shorte they in obseruing their dayes thinkâ— they merite thereby something at Gods hands we in obseruing our dayes are taught farre otherwise The Church euen from the beginning hath obserued such feasts as it may appeare in good writers Ierome writing vppon the fourth Chapiter to the Galathians saith on this sorte If it be not lawfull to obserue dayes monethes times and yeares we also fall into the like faulte which obserue the passion of Christ the Saboth day and the time of lent the feastes of Easter and of Penthecost and other times appointed to Martirs according to the manner and custome of euery nation to the whiche he that will aunswere simply will say that our obseruing of dayes is not the same with the Iewishe obseruing for we do not celebrate the feast of vnleauened or sweete breade but of the resurrection and death of Christ c. and leaste the confused gathering together of the people should dyminishe the faith in Christe therefore certaine dayes are appointed that we mighte all meete togither in one place not bycause those daies be more holy but to the intente that in what day soeuer we meete we may reioyce to see one another c. Augustine in like manner li. 18. de ciuitate dei cap. 27. saith that we honor the memories of Martirs as of holy men such as haue striuen for the truth eueÌ„ to death c. The same Augustine in his booke contra Adamantum Manachiâ—i discip cap. 16. expounding the wordes of the Apostle ye obserue dayes yeares and tymes writeth thus But one maye thynke that he speaketh of the Sabaothe doe not we saye that those tymes oughte not to bee obserued but the thinges rather that are signified by them for they did obserue them seruilely not vnderstaÌ„ding what they did signifie and prefigurate this is that that the Apostle reproueth in them and in al those that serue the creature rather than the Creator for we also solemnely celebrate the Sabboth day and Easter and all other festiuall dayes of Christians but bicause we vnderstande whervnto they do appertayne we obserue not the times but those things which are signified by the times c. Other reformed Churches also haue dayes ascribed to Saincts aswell as we as it may appeare by these words of Bullinger writing vpon the .14 to the Rom. In the auncient writers as Eusebius and Augustine thou mayst find certayn memorials apoynted to certayn holy men but after another manner not muche differing from ours whiche we as yet retayne in our Churche of Tigurie for we celebrate the Natiuitie of Christ his circumcision resurrection and ascention the comming of the holy ghost the feasts also of the virgin Mary Iohn Baptist Magdalene Steuen and the other Apostles yet not condemning those which obserue none but onely the Sabboth day For perusing old monuments we finde that this hath alwayes bene left free to the churches that euery one should follow that in these things that should be best and most conuenient Caluine in like maner writing vpon the fourth to the Galath dothe not disalow this kinde of obseruing dayes his words be these VVhen as holynesse is attributed to dayes when as one day is discerned from another for religion sake when dayes are made a peece of diuine worship then dayes are wickedly obserued c. But when we haue a difference of dayes laying no burden of necessitie on mens consciences we make no differeÌ„ce of days as though one were more holy than another we put no religion in them nor worshipping of God but only we obserue them for order and concorde sake so that the obseruing of dayes with vs is free and without all superstition And agayne
receyued with this special commendation I certifie you that you haue done well and according to due order c. But nowe we speake in good earâ—est when they answer this let theÌ„ tel vs how this geare agreeth with the scriptures and whether it be not repugnant or against the worde of God Answere Of priuate Baptisme I haue spoken before here is nothing alledged agaynst it but the. 28. of Math. Go ye and teache baptizing them c. which texte dothe proue that it was a portion of the Apostles office to baptise but in what place at what tyme howe many at once is not there prescribed and therfore priuate Baptisme may abide this touchestone for any thing that I sée to the contrarie You say vntruly when you do affirme that teaching in this Churche is diuorced from communions and sacraments but such forged slaunderous spéeches be vsuall to you Of this matter also I haue spoken in the former parte You say women that may not speake in a congregation may yet in tyme of necessitie minister the sacramente of Baptisme and that in a priuate house And to proue that womeÌ„ may not speak in a coÌ„gregation you quote 1. Co. 14. 1. Tim. 2. wheras you should rather haue proued that women may not in time of necessitie minister baptisme for that is the question and not the other But hereof I haue also spoken my opinion before Women may speake in the congregation if necessarie occasion doe require as maister Caluine teacheth in his Institutions chap. 13. secti 32. And yet you say this is not to tye necessitie of saluation to the Sacramentes nor to nousell men vp in that opinion no surely no more than it is to teach that children ought to be baptized and not to tarye vntill such tyme as they be able to answere for them selues You shoulde haue proued this to be repugnant to the Scriptures bicause you saye it is and therefore you refuse to subscribe When you set downe the Scriptures to the whiche it repugneth if it fall oute so in déede you shall haue me a conformable aduersarie I will say with Saint Augustine Errare possum haereticus esse nolo and I would to God you coulde learne that lesson Admonition The eyght The publique Baptisme that also is full of childishe and superstitious toyes First in their prayer they say that God by the Baptisme of his sonne Iesus Christe didde sanctifye the floude Iordane and all other waters to the mysticall washyng awaye of syn attributing that to the signe which is proper to the worke of God in the bloud of Christ as thoughe vertue were in water to washe awaye synnes Secondlye they requyre a promyse of the Godfathers and godmothers as they terme them whyche is not in theyr powers to perfourme Thyrdely they prophane holie Baptisme in toying foolishly for that they aske questions of an infant whiche can not aunswâ—re and speake vnto them as was wonte to bee spoken vnto men and vnto suche as beeing conuerted answered for them selues and were baptised Whyche is but a mockerie of God and therefore agaynste the holie Scriptures Fourthly they doe superstitiously and wickedly institute a newe Sacrament whiche is proper to Christe onely marking the chylde in the forehead with a Crosse in token that hereafter he shall not be ashamed to confesse the fayth of christ We haue made mention before of that wycked diuorse of the worde and Sacramentes We saye nothing of those that are admitted to be witnesses what yll choyce there is made of them howe coÌ„uenient it were seing the children of the faithful only are to be baptised that the father should and mighte if conueniently offer and presente his childe to be baptised making an open confession of that faith wherin he would haue his childe baptised and howe this is vsed in well ordered Churches Answere The superstitious toyes you fynde in publique Baptisme be these First that in our prayer we say that God by the baptisme of his sonne Iesus Chryste did sanctifie the floud Iordan and al other waters to the misticall washing away of sinne The seconde is that we require a promise of the godfathers and godmothers which is not in their powers to perfourme The thirde that we aske questions of Infants which can not answere and speake c. The fourth that we marke the chylde in the forehead with a crosse making thereby a newe sacrament c. The fifth that we make an euill choyse of those that are to be admitted witnesses c. By the first you say that wee attribute to the signe that which is proper to the worke of god in the bloud of Chryst as though vertue were in water to washe away sinne You know very wel that we teache farre otherwise and that it is a certayne and true doctrine of all suche as do professe the Gospell that the outwarde signes of the sacramente doe not conteyne in them grace neither yet that the grace of God is of necessitie tyed vnto them but onely that they be seales of Gods promises notes of Christianitie testimonies and effectuall signes of the grace of God and of our redemption in Chryste Iesus by the which the spirite of God dothe inuisibly worke in vs not onely the increase of fayth but confirmation also You vnderstand likewise that this difference there is betwixt these externall elements béeing selected to be sacramental signes that is betwixt water in baptisme and common water bread and wine in the Eucharist and vsuall bread and wine that these nowe be sacraments sanctified to an other vse to a spirituall vse to the norishing of fayth and féeding of the soule to be instruments of the holy ghost by the which as by instruments we be fed to eternall life Furthermore you can not be ignorante that whosoeuer contemneth these external signes and refuseth them can not be a member of Chryst neither yet saued Last of all you haue learned that there is suche a similitude betwixte the signes and the thing signified that they are not onely in Scripture vsually called by the names of those things whereof they be Sacraments as breade the body of Chryst and water regeneration but also that the contumelie or contempt done to the one dothe redounde to the other that is the contempt of the signes is the contempt of the things signified and therfore S. Paule sayth 1. Cor. 11. He that eateth and drinketh vnworthily eateth and drinketh his owne damnation Non dijudicans corpus domini And Christ Iohn 3. Except a man be borne of water and the spirite he can not enter into the kingdome of heauen These things béeing considered it is no superstitious toy but a godly and true saying that Chryste hath sanctified all waters vsed in baptising to the mysticall washing away of sinne not ascribing or attributing washing away of sinne to the externall element any otherwise than instrumentally or in any other respecte than for the similitude that Sacraments haue with the things wherof
they be Sacraments for we knowe that wicked men may receyue these externall signes and yet remayne the members of Sathan It is certaynely true that the mistical washing away of sinne is proper to the worke of God in the bloud of Christ and for that purpose you might haue alledged much more playner directer places of scripture than most of these which you haue noted in your margent but I think your meaning is not therfore to cōtemne the outward signes and sacraments as the heretikes called Messalians did The seconde thing you mislike is that we require a promise of the godfathers and godmothers which is not in their powers to perfourme to this cauillation I haue answered before and haue declared both out of Dionysius Areopagita and August why they answere so in the infants name and why they make that promise which I thinke they performe sufficiently if they pretermit nothing that lyeth in thē to the performaunce therof and so sayth Dionisius for suche promises are not made absolutely but quantum in nobis est To proue that it is not in the godfathers to perfourme that which they promise you quote the saying of sainct Paule to the Rom. cap. 7. vse 15. I allovv no that vvhiche I do for vvhat I vvould that I do not but vvhat I hate that I do And vse 18. For I knovve that in me that is in my flesh dvvelleth no good thing for to vvil is present vvith me but I finde no meanes c. And. vse 21. I finde then by the lavv that vvhen I vvould do good euill is present vvith me In al these places the Apostle declareth that infirmities remayne euen in the faythfull by reason of the flesh and that they can not come to suche perfection in thys lyfe as they do desire But howe doe these places proue that godfathers are not able to perfourme that whiche they promise for the Infante truely these proofes are too farre fetched for my vnderstanding In the ninth to the Romanes the Apostle sayth That it is not in him that willeth nor in him that runneth but in God that sheweth mercy In the which words he sheweth that the cause of our election is not in our selues but in the mercy of god But what is this to the promise of godfathers made at the baptizing of infants if you would haue a man to promise nothing but that which is in his power to performe then must you simply condemne all promises made by man for there is nothing in his power to perfourme no not mouing of his foote not comming to dynner or supper c. Therefore as all other promises be made with these secrete conditions if God will so muche as lieth in me to the vttermoste of my power if I liue c. so is the promise in baptisme made by the godfathers likewise To the thirde superstitious toy as you call it that is the questions demaunded of the Infant at the time of baptisme I haue also answered out of sainct Augustine in the first parte where it may also appeare that this maner of questioning was vsed in the baptising of infants long before Augustines time for Dionisius Areopagita maketh mention of them in like maner To proue that this questioning with the infant is a mocking of God you quote Galath 6. vse 7. Be not deceiued God is not mocked for whatsoeuer a man soweth that shall he reape Paule in this place taketh away excuses which worldlings vse to make for not nourishing their Pastors for no fayned excuse will serue bicause God is not mocked But what is this to be questioning with infants howe followeth this God is not mocked Ergo he that questioneth with infants mocketh god Truely you mocke God when you so dallie with hys scriptures and séeke rather the glory of quoting of many places of scripture than the true applying of any one Concerning the fourth toy that is crossing the child in the forehead which you call wicked and superstitious I haue before declared master Bucers opinion It may be lefte and it hath bene vsed in the primatiue Churche and may be so still without either superstition or wickednesse neither dothe it any more make a sacrament bicause it is in token that hereafter he shal not be ashamed to confesse Christe crucified than your sitting dothe at the Communion in token of rest that is a full finishing through Chryst of the ceremoniall law c. I thinke you knowe that euery ceremonie betokening some thing is not by and by a sacramente and therefore here is as yet no wicked diuorse of the worde and sacraments excepte it be made by you Touching the last whiche you rethorically say you will speake nothing of that is the euill choise of witnesses I thinke in parte it is true but you speake that without the booke and therefore without my compasse of defence For I meane not to take vppon me the defence of any abuse within the booke if there be any much lesse without the booke But I know not wherto this tendeth that followeth that is Howe conuenient it were seing that the childrē of the faithful only are to be baptised c. Do yée not comprehend those vnder the name of faithful whiche be baptised For else it passeth mans vnderstanding to knowe who be faithfull in déede bycause the vnbeleuers may make a confession of faith in wordes And in this worlde it cannot certainely by man be determined who among Christians be faithfull who be vnfaithfull I praye you aunswere me this one question If a childe be founde whose father and mother be vnknowne as it hath happened sometimes in our remembraunce will you not baptise it bycause the parents be not foorth comming to make a confession of their faith or bycause the sounde faith of the parents is vnknowne But hereof I haue spoken in another place Admonition The ninth As for matrimonie that also hath corruptions to many it was wont to be counted a sacramente and therefore they vse yet a sacramental signe to which they attribute the vertue of wedlocke I meane the wedding ring whiche they fowlly abuse and dallye withall in taking it vp and laying it downe In putting it on they abuse the name of the Trinitie they make the newe married man according to the Popish forme to make an idoll of his wife saying with this ring I thee wed with my body I thee worship c. And bycause in popery no holy action maye be done without a masse they enioyne the married persons to receiue the Communiō as they do their bishops and priests when they are made c. Other pettie things out of the booke we speak not of as that women contrary to the rule of the Apostle come and are suffered to come bareheaded with bagpipes fidlers before thē to disturbe the cōgregation and that they must come in at the great dore of the church else all is marred Answere The firste thing you mislike in matrimonie is the
be not present Well men may sée whervnto this geare tendeth if they be not blinde Benedictus also Nuns dimittis and Magnificat be great motes in your eyes but you shewe no reason worthy to be answered onely in derision you say except some of them were ready to dye or would celebrate the memorie of the Uirgin or Iohn Baptist. As thoughe these Hymmes or Psalmes were not profitable for all men as the rest of the holy Scripture is but these especially bicause they conteyne the mysterie of our saluation and the prayse of God for the same By this your reason we may not vse any of the Psalmes vntil we be in like case as Dauid was or other when they were first made But I thinke nowe the time is come when those shall correct magnificat qui nesciunt quid significat Truely this your dooing is a méere prophanation of holy scriptures Admonition The thirtenth In all their order of seruice there is no edification according to the rule of the Apostle but confusion They tosse the Psalmes in most places like tennise balles the people some standing some walking some talking some reading some praying by theÌ„selues attende not to the minister He againe posteth it ouer as faste as he can gallop for either he hath two places to serue or else there are some games to be played in the after noone as lying for the Whetstone heathenishe dauncing for the ring a Beare or a Bull to be bayted or else Iacke an apes to ryde on horse backe or an Enterlude to bee playde and if no place else can bee gotten it muste bee doone in the church c. Now the people sit now they stand vp wheÌ„ the old testameÌ„t is read or the lessons they make no reuerence but when the Gospell commeth then they all stande vp For why they think that to be of greatest authoritie and are ignorant that the scriptures came from one spirite When Iesus is named then off goeth the cappe and downe goeth the knees with suche a scraping on the grounde that they can not heare a good while after so that the word is hindred but when any other names of God are mentioned they make no curtesie at all as though the names of God were not equall or as though all reuerence oughte to be giuen to the sillables We speake not of ringing when Mattens is done and other abuses incident bicause we shal be answered that by the booke they are not mainteined only we desire to haue a booke to refourme it As for Organes and curious singing though they be proper to popishe dennes I meane to Cathedral churches yet some others also muste haue them The Queenes Chappell and these Churches must be paternes and presidents to the people of all superstitions Answere This is a slaunderous vntruth And the .1 Cor. 14. abused to confirme it Whatsoeuer S. Paule requireth in that place is vsed in that booke of Seruice for first the whole seruice is in a tong knowne as S. Paule there requireth that the people may vnderstande and say Amen Then are the Scriptures read the Sacramentes ministred according to Christes owne institution those that be godly disposed persons knowe what a manifeste vntruth this is that you here vtter But madde men women and children must haue their wordes If by tossing of Psalmes you meane the singing of them alternatim then doe you disallowe that whiche is both commendable and of great antiquitie as it appereth in an Epistle that Basilius Magnus did write to the ministers in Neocesaria where he sheweth the selfe same order of singing Psalmes to be then vsed in the churche that we vse at this day If by tossing of Psalmes lyke tennyse balles you meane the ouer hastie reading or singing of them it is in déede to be mislyked but it is no parte of the booke and therfore no cause why you should absteyn from subscribing to it Walking talking reading priuate praying of the people in time of Common prayers seruing of two cures games played in the afternoone on the Sabboth daye as lying for the whetstone c. be faults worthy of punishment where they be vsed but they are not within the contentes of the boke they are here recited out of place to no purpose This is very malicious and vndiscrete dealing to burden the common order with suche faultes whiche by the malice of men are growen in vse and are of all good men mislyked So you might haue burdened Saint Paule and other preachers with the faults of the Churches of Corinth and Galathians and the residue of the Apostles with the superstitions of the Iewes conuerted in the primitiue Churche and all good rulers with such faultes as corruption of time breedeth Standing or sitting at this time or that time is indifferent and therfore may both be well vsed and abused also Kneeling at the name of Iesus is of the lyke nature ringing when matâ—ins is doone as you tearme it curious singing organs â–ª c. All these be without the booke and therfore without discretion alledged as a reason why you wil not subscribe to the book Here it pleaseth you to call Cathedrall Churches Popish dennes As hap is your words ar no slander But this brag I will make of Cathedral Churches and such as be now in them I wil offer vnto you a doze in cathedral Churches in EnglaÌ„d which I my selfe do know the worst wherof in learning shal encounter with al Papists Puritans Anabaptists and what other sects soeuer in England for the defence of religion now professed eyther by worde or writing Without arrogancie be it spoken I thinke there was neuer time wherein these churches were better furnished with wyse learned and godly men than they be at this day I speake not this bostingly but to Gods glorie the honour of the Prince the comfort of the godly and the shame of slandrous Papists and disdainful schismatiks Your slaÌ„drous spéech of the Quéenes Maiesties chappel which you also say to be a pattern and president to the people of all superstitions is rather seuerely to be punished than with wordes to be confuted Admonition The fouretéenth Their pontificall whiche is annexed to the booke of Common prayer and whervnto subscribing to the Articles we must subscribe also wherby they consecrate Bishops make ministers and Deacons is nothing else but a thing worde for worde drawne out of the Popes pontificall wherin he sheweth himselfe to be Antichrist most liuely And as the names of Archebishops Archdeacons lorde Bishops Chancelours c. are drawen out of the Popes shop together with their offices So the gouernement whiche they vse by the lyfe of the Pope which is the Canon law is Antichristian and diuellish and contrarye to the Scriptures And as safely may we by the warrante of Gods word subscribe to allow the dominion of the Pope vniuersally to raigne ouer the Churche of God as of an Archbishop ouer an whole prouince or a Lordbishop
like manner well gouerne twentie parishes Surely an Archbishop may well gouerne one prouince but the Pope can neuer well gouerne the whole church And yet an Archbishop hath not the the charge of gouernement ouer the whole prouince generally but onely in certain cases exempted therfore may do it more easily You borowed these arguments from the very Papists who by the selfe same reasons go about to proue the Popes supremacie for thus they argue Among the Israelites ther was one high Priest whiche had authoritie ouer the rest therfore ther must be one high Priest which is the Pope ouer the whole Churche of christ Master Caluin in his Institutions chap. 8. doth answere this reason on this sort Quod in vna natione fuit vtile id in vniuersum orbem extendere nulla ratio cogit imo gentis vnius totius orbis longe diuersa erit ratio That whiche is profitable in one nation can not by any reason bee extended to the whole worlde for there is great difference betwixt the whole worlde and one nation And a little after Perinde enim est ac si quis contendat totum mundum à praefecto vno debere regi quia ager vnus non plur◠praefectos habeat It is euen as though a man should affirme that the whole worlde may be gouerned of one kyng bicause one fielde or towne hath but one ruler or maister An other of their reasons is this Peter was the chiefe among the Apostles therfore there ought to be one chief ouer the whole Churche The same maister Caluine in the book and chapter before rehersed maketh this one answere to that Argumente Vnus inter Apostolos summus fuit nempe quia pauci erant numero Si vnus duodecim hominibus praefuit an propterea sequetur vnum debere centum milibus hominum praefici There was one chief among the Apostles bicause they were but few in number but if one man rule ouer twelue shall it therefore followe that one maye rule ouer a hundred thousande And a little after Quod inter paucos valet non protinus traehendum est ad vniuersum orbem terrarum ad quem regendum nemo vnus sufficit That which is of force among few maye not by and by bee drawen to the whole worlde the whiche no one man can gouerne ▪ Euery hyue of Bées hath one chéefe master Bée euery companie of Cranes hath one principall guyde must there be therfore but one Bée one Crane to direct al the Bées and the cranes that be in the whole worlde you see therfore how weake this reason is The rest of this reason I haue answered before Admonition The fiftéenth Agayne in that they are honoured with the titles of kings and great rulers as Lorde Lordes grace Metropolitane primate of all England Honor. c. it is agaynste the worde of god Moreouer in that they haue ciuile offices ioyned to the Ecclesiasticall it is agaynst the worde of god As for an Archbishop to be a Lorde president a Lord Bishop to be a Countie Palatine a prelate of the Garter who hath much to doe at Saint Georges feast when the Bible is caried before the Procession in the Crosses place a Iustice of peace or Iustice of Quorum an high Cōmissioner c. And therfore they haue their prisones as Clinkes Gatehouses Colehouses towres and Castles which is also against the Scriptures This is not to haue keyes but swordes and playn tokens they ar that they exercise that which they would so fayne seeme to want I meane dominion ouer their brethren Answere All this is without the booke and therfore I néede not to answere it no more than you néede to absteyn frō subscribing to the booke for things not cōteyned in the booke But I meane a little to examine your places of scripture to sée if you haue any better lucke in applying of them than hitherto you haue had in others To proue that it is agaynst the worde of God to honor Byshops with titles of great rulers as Lorde Lords grace Metropolitane primate of all Englande honor c. for I doe not remember that we call them kings you first quote Math. 23. which place is very ofte by you iterated and sufficiently by me answered before In the .13 of Iohn which you vse also for the same purpose Chryst after he had washed his disciples feete tooke an occasion thervpon to exhorte them to humilitie which vertue is very necessarie in all degrées of men aswell in rulers and Magistrates as in inferiours And therefore that place requireth humilitie in all especially in the ministers of the worde but it disaloweth superioritie in none When Chryst addeth and sayth the seruaunt is not greater than his master c. he armeth them agaynst persecutions and willeth them to looke for afflictions for in the .15 chapter he addeth to the same words If they haue persecuted me they vvill persecute you also And to this are Archbyshops and Lordbyshops aswell subiect as other men examples whereof we haue of our owne as Cranmer Ridley Hooper c. That in the .5 chapter of S. Iohn is not spoken to the Apostles but to the whole company of Iewes in reproofe of their vayne glory for so is that place to be vnderstoode else it were altogither vnlawfull for any man to receyue honor yea euen for Princes them selues To the like purpose tende the words of the Apostle 2. Cor. 10. vse 16.17.18 Surely bothe the names of Archbyshops Lordebyshops c. and their offices may aswell stande with these places of the scripture as the names offices of kings nobles and any other persons in estimation or dignitie In déede the mother of all heresies and sectes that is vayne glory and arrogancie in all these places is vtterly condemned But I pray you dothe Christ condemne superioritie in all those whom he exhorteth to humilitie is not humilitie aswell required in Princes and great rulers as it is in meaner persons yes surely and a great deale more Wherfore Christ in suppressing ambition pride arrogancie and exhorting to humilitie doth not condemne superioritie neither yet titles of reuerence but requireth humblenesse of spirite lowlinesse of mynd in al degrées of persons especially in superiors whō this vertue dothe moste adorne the mightiest and noblest Prince in the worlde may come nearer this admonition of Christ than the poorest slaue It is therfore the affection of the minde that Christ here condemneth not superioritie not titles of honor and dignitie yea he reproueth in this place such hautie proude stomakes as yours be which contemne and disdayne those whom they ought both in words and déedes both in titles and subiections to reuerence To proue that ciuill offices ioyned to the ecclesiasticall is agaynst the worde of God first you note Luke 9. v. 60.61 where it is thus written And Iesus sayde vnto him let the dead bury their dead but goe thou and preache the kingdome of
vocation This is but your veyne of rayling and your vsuall manner of extolling your selues and condemning other But as I sayde before your wordes be no sclaunder neyther will I in words contend with you but therin giue you the vpper hande only I must still let you vnderstand of your foolish applying of scriptures For wherfore haue you here quoted the tenth of Iohn vse 1. Belike bycause Christ sayth there That he whiche doth not enter in by the dore into the sheepfolde but climbeth vp an other way is a theefe and a robber therfore all such as bée placed in this Churche of England your selues excepted enter in by a popish and vnlauful vocation You had gone orderly to worke if you had firste proued that we haue not come into the shéepfold by christ If you thus omitte the proofe of your minor you may conclude what you wil and quote scriptures at your pleasure But wyse and lerned men will lament your follie and laughe at your vnskilfulnesse Of making of ministers I haue spoken before and answered the places Actes 6.14 20. sufficiently As for the other two places Ro. 12. vse 6.7.8 and .1 Cor. 9. vse 16.17 I muse why you note them they nothing at all perteyning to the making of ministers they something touche their office yet not that directly But you must be borne with least you shoulde haue séemed to youre disciples to haue sayd nothing Some of those ministers you say may tarie in their Colledge and leade the liues of loytering losels as long as they liue If you knew any suche loytering losels in any Colledge I trust you would make them knowne to other also If you knowe none suche then are you a slaunderer of Colledges and suche as be in them It were to be wished in my opinion that there were many preachers in Colledges of greater continuance than I knowe any Then should not yong factious vnruly and vndiscrete persons so greately trouble with their contentions and sects bothe vniuersities and the whole realme also I knowe no Bishops that giue out Bulles but if such preachers as remayne in Colledges or elsewhere béeing thervnto licenced by the Bishop or other that haue authoritie doe take paynes to preach where they sée occasion they are greatly to be commended and I pray God encrease the nūber of such Circumcetiōs But since this your opinion hath bene broched it hath not only driuen many frō the ministerie but also caused diuers to loyter and cease from preaching And certainely if it be not in tyme prouided for that one braunch of your doctrine wil spoyle this Churche of England bothe of preachers and preachings The rest that you write in this parte I hope is more slaunderously of you spoken than truely notwithstanding I thinke there hathe bene some ouersighte in some men whiche I trust is and will be amended if not then I wishe that Cannon of the lawe to be put in practise that suche as admit them should also prouyde for them When you say that the Bishoppes of thys Realme reigne and rule by the Canon lawe you forgette your selfe you know it is otherwise Their chiefe authoritie they haue by Gods lawe the reste by the lawes of the Realme and of the Prince but these wordes are but wordes of course with you Admonition The seuentéenth We should be too long to tell youre honoures of Cathedrall Churches the dennes aforsayd of al loytering lubbers where master Deane master Vicedeane master Canons or master Prebendaries the greater master Petie canons or Canons the lesser master Chauncelor of the Churche master Treasorer otherwyse called Iudas the purse bearer the chief Chaunter Singing men speciall fauourers of religion squeaking Queristers Organ players Gospellers Pistellers Pentioners Readers Vergers c. liue in greate idlenesse and haue their abiding If you woulde knowe whence all these came we can easyly answere you that they came from the Pope as oute of the Troian horses belly to the distruction of Gods kingdome The Churche of God neuer knewe them neither doth any reformed church in the worlde know them Answere Here you speak both without the book of Cōmon prayers and scriptures also for neither are cathedral churches conteyned in that booke neyther haue you any scripture to proue that which you so impudently affirme God be thanked it is well knowne to those that be not with malice blinded that Cathedrall Churches be furnished with godly zelous and learned men And that they be the chiefe and principall ornaments of this Realme and next to the vniuersities chiefest mainteyners of godlinesse religion and learning there be some desire the spoyle of them whose instrumentes you be But I hope both their mouthes and yours also shal be firste stopped with earth Master Deane master vicedeane master Cānons c. as much as they loyter may thinke themselues fitte to be compared with such as you are in any respects The rest of your rayling words I leaue to the Authoure You say all these come from the Pope c. It is not materiall frō whence they come so they be good profitable and necessarie for the mainteyning of religion lerning wise and learned men But I pray you from what Pope came they or in what time did the Pope inuent them I told you before that such places and Colledges were in Augustines time and that he both hath the name of master Deane and alloweth of his office If you had redde any aunciente learned authours as your writings declare you haue not then shoulde you finde that Collegiate Churches be of great antiquitie euen since the yeare of our Lorde .235 But what can you speake against Cathedrall Churches which you may not aswell speake against the Colledges in the vniuersities They were not in the Apostles time neyther yet in the primatiue Church must they therefore nowe be dissolued your meaning is belike to bring al to cōfusion and barbarisme You say no reformed church in the worlde knoweth them wherin I thinke you speak more than you knowe Can you name any reformed Church that hath plucked them downe Peraduenture in dyuers places where the Gospell is now preached they had neuer suche rewardes for learning But what haue we to do in suche cases with other reformed Churches we haue to consider what is most méete for this Churche and state and not to follow other as though we were children I sée no cause why other reformed Churches should not rather followe vs than we them seing in no respecte we be inferior to them Well to conclude your wordes be but vayne and your proofes none at all And therefore I doubte not but Cathedrall churches shall be able to withstand both your opprobrious speaches and the gréedinesse of all their aduersaries so long as it shall please God to blesse thys land with so vertuous and learned a Quéene and so wise and discréete counsellours Admonition The eightéenth And birds of the same fether are couetous patrones of benefices persons vicars
vertue thereof then shoulde not our wordes and workes be deuorced but Christe shoulde bee suffered to reigne a true ministerie according to the worde instituted discipline exercised Sacramentes purely and sincerely ministred this is that we striue for and about which we haue suffered not as euill doers but for resisting poperie and refusing to bee stoong with the tayle of Antichristian infection ready to render a reason of our fayth to the stopping of all our enimies mouthes Wee therefore for the Churche of Gods sake whiche ought to be moste deare vnto you beseeche you for our Soueraignes sake vppon whom we pray that all Gods blessing may be poured abundantly wee pray you to consider of these abuses to reforme Gods Churche according to youre dueties and callings that as with one mouth we confesse one Christe so with one consente this raigne of Antichriste may bee turned oute headlong from amongest vs and Christe our Lord may reigne by his worde ouer vs So your seates shal be established and setled in great assurance you shall not neede to feare youre enemies for God will turne awaye his threatned plagues from vs whiche hee in mercie do for his Christes sake Amen Answere It is very well that you so lyke of the Articles but yet it pleaseth you not to subscribe vnto them You saye bycause of a poynt or two whiche are eyther too sparely or else to darkly set downe but in déede your meaning is to subscribe to nothing whiche by authoritie you are required to doe and that argueth an arrogante mynde and a disposition that loueth alwaye to bée singuler You note in the margent that the right gouernement of the Churche can neuer be separated from the doctrine But by your owne confession we haue the doctrine Ergo of necessitie we also haue the ryght gouernemente Here in few woords you haue caste downe whatsoeuer you séemed before to buyld so do commonly vnskilfull buylders I woulde to God that for so much as contrarie to your former assertion you nowe confesse that wée haue the veritie of doctrine you coulde be contente to saye downe great heart and submitte youre selues to the Quéenes Maiestie and hir lawes accordyng to your duetie then no doubt Christe shoulde withoute resistance reigne in this Churche and the frutes of the Gospell would much more appeare You bragge muche of youre suffering You are little beholden to youre neyghbours when you are thus constrayned to prayse your selues But I pray you whether dothe he persecute that modestely and soberly defendeth the truth or he that vnlawfully reuengeth himself withrayling and backbyting you loue very well to haue the worlde knowe howe greately you be persecuted And therfore if one of you here in Cambridge be punished but twentie pens for his open contempte of statutes to the which he is sworne in poste hast it is caried into al quarters and especially to London where great complaynte is made of this gréeuous persecution when as you your disciples ceasse not as I sayde moste falsly and slaunderously to reporte of suche as executyng good lawes discharge theyr conscience to GOD and their duetie towardes the Prince Wée therfore exhorte you if there be any feare of God before your eyes any reuerence towardes the Prince any desire of promoting the Gospell any louing affection towardes the Church of Christ to submit your selues according to youre duties to godly orders to leaue of contentiousnesse to ioyne with vs in preaching of the worde of God and beating downe the kyngdom of Antichrist that this your diuision procure not Gods wrath to be poured vppon vs. Additions detractions and alterations in this second part of the Admonition Folio 1. THere is added portuis For where before they sayd that our booke of Common prayers was culled and picked out of that popish dunghil the Masseboke nowe vpon better aduisement they saye that it was culled out of the portuis and massebooke It derogated nothing from the booke of Common prayers bicause some thing therin is in the portuis and massebook no more thā it derogateth from the Scriptures that some portion of them as the whole Psalmes and certain other portions of the Epistles Gospels and other Scripture be in the same neyther are they allowed bicause they be in the portuis and massebooke but bicause they be eyther scripture or most agréeable thervnto They also adde in the first reason that the cōming of women in vailes to be churched is not commaunded by law but yet the abuse to be great by reasō that superstition is growen therby in the heartes of many other are iudged that vse it not This is an argumēt of their former rashnes but not worthy any answer especially being cōfessed to be without the booke For the .120 psalm is now quoted the .121 psalm which I haue also corrected before Folio 2. For the .26 of Mat. is noted the .28 And this also I corrected in answering that place For the first to Timo. 3. vse 3. nowe they haue quoted 1. Ti. 3. vse 6. against reading ministers where S. Paule woulde not haue a minister to be a yong scholer but he speaketh nothing against reading Where it was before and minister a sacrament now is added according to their appoyntmente to what purpose I know not It was before reading is not feeding nowe it is thus amended for bare reading of the word and single seruice saying is bare feeding wherby they nowe confesse that reading is féeding althoughe it be as they saye but bare féeding Wée were in good case if the platforme of oure Churche depended vppon these men which alter their iudgements so sodeynly It is a true saying Conueniet nulli qui secum disside◠ipse Howe can he agree with other that doth not agree with himself There is also added in the same lease these woordes are not the people wel nodified think you when the homilie of sweeping the church is read vnto them Surely such slouting termes are vsed of none but of nodies in déede and suche as are more méete to be fooles in playes where they may iest than to be platformers of Churches in whom wisedome learning grauitie and godlynesse is to be required I know no Homilie entituled of sweeping the Churche one there is of repairing keeping cleane of churches whether it edifie or no I referre to the wise and discrete reader to iudge when he hath perused it Fol. 3. Before it was in the seconde reason for the verye name Apocrypha testifieth that they oughte rather to be kept close thā to be vttered Now it is for the very name Apocrypha testifieth that they were read in secret and not openly This is some correction of their former rashnesse But of this matter that is of reading Homilies in the Churche I haue spoken before I omitte .2 Timothie 3. verse .6 whyche is nowe verse .16 and .2 Peter 1. verse .20 whyche is now vers .19.20.21 For these bée not matters of any greate importaunce